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Public School Defends Posting Nativity Scene Despite Potential Church-State Challenges

Nativity Back on Bulletin Board at Green County Tech Primary School

A past version of the school's Nativity scene (Image Credit: KUAR)

A superintendent at Green County Tech Primary School in Paragould, Arkansas, is taking a strong stance in support of a Nativity scene at an elementary school in his district — a scene that has been posted for 20 years without incident.

After ordering the bulletin board be taken down, Superintendent Jerry Noble has decided to allow it once again.

The traditional Nativity scene includes the words, “Happy Birthday, Jesus,” which Noble, a Christian, is adamantly defending. After receiving two complaints this year, the superintendent initially consulted with lawyers and decided to remove the Nativity. But — the community’s reaction led to a change of heart.

“Enough is enough,” Noble explains. “It’s His birthday. We celebrate Jesus’ birthday. One person should not be offended by that. We don’t leave it up all year. We’re not promoting religion. It’s not an effort to convert anybody.”

Nativity Back on Bulletin Board at Green County Tech Primary School

He explains that he initially removed the Nativity, because he didn’t want to put the school district at risk. “I could not take it upon myself to get the school in a legal entanglement over separation of church and state because we would have to use tax dollars to fight it and that’s not my job to do that,” he explained. But once he removed the display, the community criticized the decision.

Then, a group came forward to support the school if and when a legal challenge against the display was waged. So, Noble decided to put the board up again. “To be honest with you, we offended a lot more people by taking it down than leaving it up,” he said.

The Paragould Daily Press has more about the legal issues potentially facing the district:

…the school district’s attorney, Donn Mixon, who advised him to have the decoration removed. Mixon admitted he was not given all of the details surrounding the controversy and was simply asked whether a nativity scene displayed in a public school was a violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. [...]

“I gave the opinion that yes I believe, based upon what I was told about it, that if challenged, it could well violate the First Amendment,” Mixon said. “Prayer at graduation, the posting of the Ten Commandments, those are all issues that have been litigated under that establishment clause. The courts have generally held that if public schools do those types of things… that can violate the Establishment Clause.”

The district’s pro-Nativity stance is already frustrating those opposed to Noble’s actions. The American Civil Liberties Union Arkansas (ACLU) has already said that the school must abide by the Constitution. Rita Sklar, the state’s ACLU director, has come out strong, saying that it’s sad to see Noble and others not respecting the First Amendment. Fox News Radio has more about the controversy:

The Nativity scene was erected by Kay Williams, a counselor at the primary school. She’s been doing it for more than 20 years without any hint of controversy.

“We do live in the Bible Belt,” Williams told the Paragould Daily Press. “One thing that really disturbed most of [the supporters] was we hear about things like this all the time in other parts of the country. But, this is kind of a first for the Bible Belt, here in Arkansas.”

Noble says that Christians have been silent for too long.

Comments (180)

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  • Diana M.
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:08pm

    Christians need to stand firm and we the people have all the power to display whatever Christmas Decorations we want to. Please please please leave us Christians alone. With all due respect!!!! Why do people want to take Christ out of Christmas!!!!!

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    • JRook
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:18pm

      The decision should be left up to the community. But then again so should state elections and state referendums. You can’t have it both ways merely based on your preference as to do so is the epitome of ignorance. Outside groups should be barred from coming in to influence decisions no more than outside groups should be barred from coming in and influencing state elections.

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    • fidelcashflo44
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:23pm

      When I send my child to a public school, I expect that institution to be free of superstitious, irrational nonsense meant to indoctrinate my child into a world of idiocy, emotional infantilism, and nonsense. Christians want to ruin public education with their fairy tales.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:34pm

      Fidelcashfl044 – Then why do you support indoctrinating children with the tragic ideology of socialism, which has killed over 150 million people?

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    • ACLUHater
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:34pm

      One out of a thousand is a start

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    • cessna152
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:35pm

      @JROOK,

      I had to put up with Kwanza decorations, gay agendas and movies, tolerance classes and anti-Christian BS from the school system for years. I am fed up with the brainwashed ilk… I am so fed up with people stating the 1/10 of 1% example every time. The 1A says we have “freedom OF religion…” and are free to post a nativity scene. If the principal wants to put up a NATIVITY scene because it is CHRISTMAS, then what is wrong with that? If you are so against this, then the kids should go to school on Christmas day because we don’t want to offend anyone. Do you take off that day? The teachings of Christ are Love,patience, peace, kindness, etc…how is that a bad thing? Stop with the brainwashed PC BS, this country was founded on Christs’ principals…this is the fabric of our society. Just like Islam is the fabric of the middle east and you have to accept their traditions if you want to live there. Well, this is the USA traditions…don’t like it? Bye bye… I’m done changing and conforming to PCism (aka Marxism)

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    • cessna152
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:44pm

      @fidelcashflo44

      So it is okay to teach them the fairytale of evolution,right? Please explain how we evolved from a single celled organism, with no light, etc into a walking, talking human being? Talk about fairy tales, care to explain how a sea creature suddenly turned into a timber wolf? Wow… talk about fairy tales!!!

      BTW, care to explain why godless leaders have killed over 250 million people in the last 100 years? Christians ain’t living in the fairy tale world, you are.

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    • Zurich
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 4:13pm

      It is not about religion, it is about politics and fundamental transformation. To remove Christianity is one of the steps to implement communism. The actual government doesn’t want citizens to be born with a liberty endowed by the creator. If you remove Christianity and the creator you remove the liberty of the people. This is why Obama always omits saying this specific sentence about liberty and the creator when he refers to the Declaration of Independence. So only by removing Obama, Americans will be able to keep their liberty and the freedom of religion. I kindly invite Fidelcashflo44 to stop playing the useful idiot and to show his real face and agenda. All what he writes is illogical and very misleading. I also invite you to be careful as the leftists are hiding behind a “pseudo atheistic movement”. This guy Barker who showed up lately on TV is a typical agitator who I believe is not an atheist. I dare to go so far, that we could even find some links between him and the Moslem Brotherhood as History has taught us that these groups have “worked” together in the past and unfortunately again in the present. I don’t believe that Barker is his real name although all what he said on TV was like the sound of a “barking dog”.

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    • bikerr
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 4:38pm

      @fidelcashflo44—What you just posted is a “fairy tale”.Grow a pair, put on your man pants and stop lying about people’s motives.

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    • Blackhawk1
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 4:48pm

      fidelcashflo44

      Well then you should be all in favor of privatizing all schools. That way you can pay for and choose to send your kid to a cesspool while the rest of us have the choice of sending ours to a parochial school and we would no longer have to pay for our kids going to the school we choose and also pay for your kids liberal indoctrination camp.

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    • Unix
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 5:08pm

      Screw you athiests – who gives a damn what you think – stuff it up your chuffers! If it offends ya – too bad. Why can’t they just look the other way, Christians do when they see pagans doing their thing – like abortion and gays, bunch of goats…f’em

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    • fidelcashflo44
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 6:04pm

      @UNIX the imbecile,

      “Christians do when they see pagans doing their thing – like abortion and gays”

      Are you going to make the argument that Christians in this country “look the other way” on issues like abortion and gay rights?

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    • TimH
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 6:54pm

      What if 100,000 school leaders took this stand? What if 500,000 or One million? Could they find the funds to sue all? Then again that would take leaders.

      http://www.BornAgainHeathens.com

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    • Unix
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 7:23pm

      at fidel, abortion is legal isn’t it? gays are all in our faces every day? what’s your point flamethrower?

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    • cryinginthedesert
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 7:34pm

      “fidelcashflo44: When I send my child to a public school, I expect that institution to be free of superstitious, irrational nonsense meant to indoctrinate my child into a world of idiocy, emotional infantilism, and nonsense.”… So I‘m guessing there’s no tooth fairy or easter bunny in your house either, please enlighten us as to what you tell your children when the art teacher has them make Santa pictures? Reminds me of Miracle on 34th street.

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    • seldomscene
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 11:33pm

      State by state simple laws can be passed for every instance of Community ys one or a few people in matters like this who have objections. Set a one or two day referendum for voices on the matter. Either community or others prevail. So easy to show where the real sentiments lie.
      It could become an over whelming tidal wave.

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    • ltb
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 11:57pm

      fidelcashflo44 wrote: “When I send my child to a public school, I expect that institution to be free of superstitious, irrational nonsense meant to indoctrinate my child into a world of idiocy, emotional infantilism, and nonsense.”

      —–

      I guess you must be furious that your child is being taught evolution in public shool.

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    • ltb
      Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:33am

      Fidelcashflo44, I had a hunch about something, so I checked your profile. My hunch was that you’re a miserable human being, who never has a kind word to say about anything, and from the looks of your recent posts I was right.

      People like you have done your best to turn our society into one of the rudest in the world, but we’re sick of you. You go around calling Christians “stupid,” as if you’re some kind of genius who has found contentment apart from God, but it’s plain to see that you are full of rage and probably spend every waking moment thinking of ways to be offended. But you just go ahead and keep your kid away from us stupid Christians, because the world will be a much better place if he grows up to be just like you.

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    • Zpro
      Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:54am

      When I send my brain to a public blog, I expect that blog to be free of superstitious, irrational nonsense meant to indoctrinate my brain into a world of idiocy, emotional infantilism, and nonsense. Evolved monkeys calling themselves educated want to ruin public blogging by posting their fairy tales.
      Sound familiar? May the Almighty Monkey Bless FidelCashFlo44.

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    • Gorp
      Posted on December 16, 2011 at 5:10am

      The First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

      What part of the First Amendment does the ACLU think they get the power to take down anything religious or not from any place whether public of private? This “separation” thing has gotten way out of line! There is NO separation of anything so quit trying to separate us!

      If WE can’t put up Christmas displays for a religious reason, then how about a freedom of speech reason? Don’t “they” use it against “us” all the time as the ultimate reason “they” can spew their crap?

      The “Black Friday” shoppers went more nuts this year than in past years. Maybe it has to do with more cell phone videos, maybe not.

      Now it seems like every time you turn around there is some ONE person complaining about some ONE setting that they disagree with and want EVERYBODY to knuckle under to their will.

      It’s time WE say loud and clear, “SCREW YOU! This is our country and our traditions! If you don’t like them then go to some other country where your whims and wishes will be tolerated, if you can find one.”

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:01am

      I agree Diana M. But add only any who would honor the First Amendment and our Bill of Rights ought
      be offended by the suggestion that this simply seasonal display reflecting our heritage as Americans
      could possibly violate the First Amendment. The very day that first Congress under our new Constitution the very day they adopted the terms seen yet today that body elected to petition President Washington to set aside a national day of Prayer and Thanksgiving. And President Washington did willingly so do. And the Journals of Congress record that Roger Sherman ,who had initially opposed an amendment protecting religion from the excesses of our Federal Govt. -because
      the intent was our national Government had no authority over religion. Roger Sherman justified the call
      for national prayer and Thanksgiving by citing a number of precedents in the Holy Writ. — see p.163 note 196 America’s God and Country Wm.J.Federer Editor. To disallow –or require the display be
      removed makes manifest an extreme animus toward our foundations as an American society- a religious people. … “a Christian nation” as our early courts were unashamed to recognize.

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    • MaxineH20Sux
      Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:19am

      Amen!

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    • SouthSideLib
      Posted on December 16, 2011 at 4:04pm

      @FidelCash- Well said, I couldn’t agree more.

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    • Zpro
      Posted on December 17, 2011 at 12:44am

      Lawyers, Courts, Schools, Lawsuits and so-called Experts…..All over Christmas and a Nativity Scene! We need another Great Flood, the human gene pool has definitely been corrupted.

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  • Kerri g
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:06pm

    Once again, there is nothing in the Constitution that says anything about seperation of church and state. It says that the state cannot establish a religion nor can they impeed our right to worship as we please. I please to have a nativity in the town square. It is public property which means that I pay for it too and it is as much mine as anyone elses. These lefties and athiests are impeeding christians rights to worship as we see fit. That my friend IS against the constitution.

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    • Columbobear
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:55pm

      So your saying its ok to spend my tax money on your believes, but my believes don’t matter? As for education… An educational institution that is a public school isn’t suppose to favor one religion over another. Thats the only thing thats going on here. Celebrate your believes all you want. If there isn‘t a single tax payer that isn’t Christian than then there should be no problem… but it is highly unlikely thats the case. Can’t we keep our believes to ourselves or must we always force our believes upon our neighbors…? I dont live in this community so my opinion doesn’t hold much weight there. But if one of the public schools where I live starts putting up Christmas decoration on the school property **with money from the school budget,** then ofcourse I’m gonna be upset about that! That money should be spent on EDUCATING young minds about the REAL world, not the IMAGINARY world! Kids don’t have books, pens or paper and you wanna spend tax payer money (mine and yours) on Christmas descorations…? Go ahead believe what you want to believe, but don’t force it upon my children.

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    • CatB
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:58pm

      I agree .. .and this year I have put a nativity in my yard … just to take a stand on PRIVATE property .. the government tells us what our toilets can be .. what light bulbs we can purchase .. I am taking a preemptive strike before they TRY to tell me I can’t have a nativity in my own yard! It will be up every December from now on …

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    • MidWestMom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 4:45pm

      @ Columbobear – you said:

      As for education… An educational institution that is a public school isn’t suppose to favor one religion over another. Thats the only thing thats going on here.

      That money should be spent on EDUCATING young minds about the REAL world, not the IMAGINARY world!

      Go ahead believe what you want to believe, but don’t force it upon my children.

      1) Nothing in the article indicated the school was favoring one religion over another. There was no mention of denying any other displays. – You are making a biased assumption.

      2) Then money should not be spent on teaching Evolution. To date it has never been conclusively proved, thus it falls in that imaginary world you refer to.

      3) Same applies to you. Demanding the bulletin board be taken down because you believe religion is a “fairy tale” is forcing your beliefs on someone else’s children.

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    • encinom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 5:24pm

      There should be no religious displays in a public school. the Government must remain neutral when it comes to religion.

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    • nuthrdumkinsrvativ
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 7:05pm

      So lets try this: When we pay our taxes we can check off whether we object to Christianity being represented in displays on public property. Other belief systems could also be included. Then displays could be limited is size to the proportions they represent.

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    • PKama
      Posted on December 16, 2011 at 1:11am

      @ ENCINOM
      Tell me something. If the government should remain neutral from any religious activity then why is it that Christmas is a federal Holiday ? Christmas is the birthday of Jesus Christ. That is a Christian celebration. Easter is a Christian holiday. If you are right then the government should remain open during those holidays to remain neutral as you suggest. Can you please help us Christians out if we are wrong.

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  • Kamaconi
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:04pm

    Just put up a blank bulletin board next to it. There Problem solved everyone’s happy!

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    • MidWestMom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:26pm

      I still don‘t understand why atheists are so offended by something they don’t believe in. Doesn’t say it was atheists but they are usually involved in these type situations.

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    • encinom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 5:23pm

      The offense comes from the violation of the First Amendment.

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    • MidWestMom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 8:32pm

      The bulletin board is not in violation.

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    • PKama
      Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:50am

      @ ENCINOM

      Here is the First Amendment of the Constitution. Can you point out to me where it states that Christians or any other religion are banned from celebrating their beliefs in a public place? Please enlighten us with your Constitutional smart.
      ””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

      Amendment 1 – Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
      ”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””’

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    • finky555
      Posted on December 16, 2011 at 1:09am

      Perfect Kamaconi. A great idea and no one can argue unfairness in any way.

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    • Zpro
      Posted on December 17, 2011 at 12:49am

      Best solution yet! (smile)

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  • NOBALONEY
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:02pm

    In an earlier BLAZE story about NJ town with banner “Keep Christ In Christmas” (Dec 14, 7:49pm). Today on nj1015, the morning guy Jim Gearhart refered to the small minority of atheists to Lil Abner‘s ’Polecat Indians’. 6 of them trying to take over the country .

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    • fidelcashflo44
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:29pm

      Nobody is trying to take over the country, you imbecile. We simply ask that Christians understand that this is a free country and you can just expect public institutions to promote your idiotic faith because you are the majority.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:37pm

      Fidelcashfl044 – you lefties want to take away the freedom of Christians, liar. We get to speak our minds whenever and wherever we want.

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    • Blackhawk1
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 4:56pm

      fidelcashflo44
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:29pm

      Nobody is trying to take over the country, you imbecile. We simply ask that Christians understand that this is a free country and you can just expect public institutions to promote your idiotic faith because you are the majority.

      Now let‘s apply your logic to Obamacare when liberals had majorities in congress and rammed through Obamacare even though the MAJORITY of Americans didn’t want it. Here is another idea for ya, Homeschool then your kids won’t be exposed to any religion or morals and will grow up to be just as lost as you.

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  • Female
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:02pm

    OFFENDED??? OFFENDED???

    I am offended at:

    Obama’s, Pelosi’s, and Reid’s every word or sight of face
    big government, school boards, most lawyers
    OWS!
    illegal aliens
    over taxation for lifetime benefits of those make a pretty good salary
    lobbiest
    discount my vote
    unemployment benefits greater than 6 months
    failure to punish and provide swift justice for crimes
    father‘s who don’t pay support
    government which doesn’t enforce/punish
    lifetime politicians
    over regulation of business
    foolish environmental regulations or studies (SF marsh-mouse)
    plastic surgery for chasing perpetual youth or ellusive perverted beauty
    some people
    Disney, power rangers, pokemon, rainbow bright, littles ponies, smurfs, star trek, science fiction (except Fringe and Warehouse 13)
    Santa, Cupid, Lephrecans, Easter bunny/chicks, Uncle Sam, and other such fictional characters.
    And my all time greatest area of offense is Halloween, (totally glorification of evil, blood, ghosts, ghouls, witches, devils, murder, and tooth decay, tummy aches, acne, obesity, gluttony, and poisoning) can’t stand it in the stores and especially at school.

    I demand it all to be removed from existence, conversation, and memory of the entire society because I am just one person offended (although, I might be able to find others), so, all you who like it needs to do without. I am OFFENDED! If not, I will slap you with a lawsuit!

    BTW Happy Birthday to Jesus! God Bless the USA! VIVA Israel!

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    • PelositheGreat
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:07pm

      Wow, thats a very big list. Wouldn’t it just be easier if you went away?

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    • encinom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:09pm

      And I am offended by public officials violating the First Amendment. If you support the US Constitution you must demand for the removal of the navitiy scene froma publc school.

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    • cessna152
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:48pm

      Encicom, it is freedom OF religion not FROM…Please state where it says in the Constitution that you can’t put a nativity scene up in a school. Please oh please…

      BTW, do you even understand what “state religion” is? Come on now, you are so smart you must know the difference of the 1A and state religion,right?

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    • Female
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 4:19pm

      Pelosithegreat,

      It is actually an edited list which is covered under “some people”, due to their thoughts, policies, politics, pervertions, personalities, hostilities, crimes, extremist actions; and suppose to be apparently ridiculous to obsurd.

      As to your question or suggestion, actually I agree. I could use a vacation or “the Rapture”.

      BTW: Every knee including Saint Nicolas will bow and every tongue will confess, that the little Baby Jesus is LORD just as angels proclaimed and sang, the shepperds and the Kings worshipped at His birth and we celebrate the rememberance of the day our Savior was born.

      “Glory to God in the Highest, Peace on Earth, and Goodwill to man….”

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    • rednrusty
      Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:22pm

      lol……I agree!!!

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  • Locked
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:58pm

    Simple solution. Toss up another bulletin board about Hanukkah, and another about Kwanzaa, and you’re all set. No legal challenges, stays true to Supreme Court rulings, and still maintains the traditional Nativity scene just fine.

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  • JMAC1776
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:58pm

    “…or the FREE exercise thereof…” ’nuff said.

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    • encinom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:11pm

      The free exercise relates to the private citizen, not the actions of a public official, acting in his or her official duty in a public building.

      This is a clear violation of the US Constitution, ether you support the Republic or want a taleban styled theocracy.

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    • cessna152
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:50pm

      Hey Dope encicom,

      Please oh please point out in the Constitution where it says that…oh please!!! Do you know the difference between the 1A and “state religion”? Are you eluding to the fact that this is a “state run religion”? Wow… that is crazy talk. Where is your tin foil hat?

      Once again, please explain where it is listed in the Constitution. I guarantee you won‘t because you’re a liar!

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    • MidWestMom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:55pm

      @encinom
      Could you please point out where it says anything about barring a government entity, branch or facility from displaying a religious scene? A display does not “establish a religion”.

      Are you aware that the United States House of Representatives and the United States Senate both have an official Office of the Chaplain? Since 1789 Christian chaplains have opened sessions in both the House and the Senate with prayer.

      If it’s ok for Congress to have official Christian prayers…then it is certainly ok for a school (or any other government entitiy) to display a nativity.

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    • encinom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 5:33pm

      @Midwestmom, Either you are playing stupid or just are. The US Supreme Court has been clear about religious displays on government property, such displays are violations of the Establishment Clause as they show governmental favortism to one religion or another. The navitiy itself is offense to Christian groups that find Christmas a papal holiday or that the statues violate the 10 commandments and graven images.

      The offense of Chaplain is on shakey Constitutional grounds it just hasn;t been challenged yet.

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 6:21pm

      So where does it say that an individual relinquishes his Individual rights when he takes a particular job? (Probably the same place it says that by purchasing an airline ticket and chose to actually use it to fly that I relinquish my 4th Amendment rights – ) hint – that would be nowhere…poor little encinom – perhaps you should do your history homework so you can get out of the 10th grade with the rest of your little friends

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    • MidWestMom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 8:31pm

      @encinom

      And once again you must resort to childish name calling when someone does not agree when commenting on another’s post.

      The Supreme Court has degenerated into a corrupt “buy a vote” institution. Congressional hearings regarding the appointment of judges have proved that. The Supreme Court has misinterpreted or entirely ignored the Constitution many, many times.

      There are religious displays on several government buildings in Washington DC including the Supreme Court. A depiction of Moses holding the tablets is prominently displayed over one of the entrances to the building. Because they are unable to deny it IS Moses and the tablets, those screaming their incorrect statements about Church & State justify the display by saying it is only a reference to a “lawmaker” (which is incorrect, Moses did not write the commandment laws, God did).

      Funny, the Congressional Chaplain posts have not been challenged since they were first instituted well over a hundred years ago. Hardly on “shaky” ground

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    • MidWestMom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 8:52pm

      And editing mistake: And once again you must resort to childish name calling when someone does not agree when commenting on another’s post.

      Should read: And once again you must resort to childish name calling when commenting on another’s post.

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    • Zpro
      Posted on December 16, 2011 at 1:12am

      What about my right not to purchase health insurance? Seems like Obamacare is forcing an insurance Nativity Scene straight down my throat….whether I believe in it or not.

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  • garbagecanlogic
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:48pm

    Hooray for Green County Tec. Someone there has bal*s.

    The U.S. Out Of The U.N.
    The U.N. Out Of The U.S.

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  • lynda1276
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:47pm

    stand firm against evil

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  • SICKOFPCNESS
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:46pm

    Way to go!!!

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  • NewLife56
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:44pm

    I guess the only History liberals accept are those they approve of huh?

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  • Isaiah535
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:42pm

    This isn’t just a religious issue, it is a freedom issue. When Christians and their values are pushed out, freedom will be gone as well. The atheists are fighting for power and dominance, not freedom. Stand your ground Mr. Noble.

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  • Nepenthe
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:41pm

    Nothing wrong with this, as long as the leadership at the school allow other poster boards to be displayed along side.

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  • HYPNOTOAD
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:38pm

    This is why the Christians in that town should ALL put up nativities so the complainers can see them. Stand up for Jesus, Stop letting the Christaphobes tell you what to do. And after Christmas when another godless lib complains about a Cross or the 10 commandments, display them all over town again. Stop being cowardly.

    Make them think twice about complaining about Christian displays. So they will think “if I complain about that cross, 1,000 will pop up”.

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    • encinom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:12pm

      let every private citizen on private property put up the navitiy, that is not the issue. The issue is that a public school is a government building, this is a violation of the US Constitution.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:38pm

      Enicinom – We don’t believe you atheists when you say that we can display our faith on private property but not on public property. You Marxists want to take away our freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

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    • cessna152
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:52pm

      Once again encidope, please show me where it says that in the Constitution…

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    • encinom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 4:12pm

      @cessna152
      Establishment clause which has been applied to the States via the 14th amendment.

      The New Jersey statute is challenged as a ‘law respecting an establishment of religion.’ The First Amendment, as made applicable to the states by the Fourteenth, , 319 U.S. 105 , 63 S.Ct. 870, 872, 146 A.L.R. 81, commands that a state ‘shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.’ These words of the First Amendment reflected in the minds of early Americans a vivid mental picture of conditions and practices which they fervently wished to stamp out in order to preserve liberty for themselves and for their posterity. Doubtless their goal has not been entirely reached; but so far has the Nation moved toward it that the expression ‘law respecting an establishment of religion,’ probably does not so vividly remind present-day Americans of the evils, fears, and political problems that caused that expression to be written into our Bill of Rights. EVERSON v. BOARD OF EDUCATION OF EWING TP., 330 U.S. 1 (1947)

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    • MidWestMom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 4:16pm

      @encinom
      Considering both the House of Representatives and the Senate have an official Office of the Chaplain and that said chaplain is a PAID employee….are you saying that Congress is violating the Constitution?
      Both branches have official “Office of the Chaplain” web sites that end in .gov

      http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Senate_Chaplain.htm
      http://chaplain.house.gov

      And I’ve seen many presidents, including Obama say a prayer when addressing congress. And presidents say “God Bless The USA” while speaking in their official capacity.

      Once again, if it’s acceptable for the highest branches of our government, it’s damn sure acceptable for a school.

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    • encinom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 5:28pm

      Yes, the office of Chaplin is Unconstitutional and a holdback from a different era. The Supreme Court is clear on this issue, public school must remain neutral when it comes to religion. This display is a violation of the US Constitution and the Principal should be fired for willfully violating it.

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    • MidWestMom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 8:44pm

      encinom
      The Office of Chaplain has never been challenged in over 100 years. The Supreme Court is corrupt and has violated the Constitution themselves many many times.

      And I notice you did not address the fact that every session in both houses is opened with a Christian prayer. Nor did you address the fact that every President has led a Christian prayer, prayed with other Christians and said God Bless America in their official capacity of president. I certainly don’t see the Supreme Court challenging either of those displays. No, they’d rather pick on things like a school bulletin board or a nativity scene or someone calling a Christmas tree a Christmas tree.

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  • Mary M. Tebbe
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:32pm

    I contend that we are East Manasseh the man-of-war and West Manasseh the agriculturist (descendants of our father Joseph, the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham), and therefore we are the descendants of the ancient Israelites. Of course we do not remember that anymore, because our true history has been erased, distorted, and nearly completely destroyed. The Bible tells us that Jesus said in the book of Matthew that, he came not EXCEPT to the LOST HOUSE OF ISRAEL, which refers to the LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL…which would include the United States of America. We are intricately connected to Jesus Christ, who is the HEAD OF THE TRUE CHURCH; therefore, WE CANNOT BE SEPARATED from our State/Country and the Church. It is impossible to separate the two. The whole argument then of Church and State falls flat on its face!
    The ones among us that are contrary to everything that we stand for are the Assyrian/Goths that traveled through the pages of history with us; the descendants of our ancient enemies that took us captive. They hate our roots and race. They hate our God, The God of Israel, and they mean to destroy our race and everything that we stand for. We no longer can tell them apart from us except for their characteristics in their behavior towards us. They melted into our race and look much the same as we do. They hate our Constitution, they despise our laws, and they fight against everything that we hold sacred and dear.

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    • finky555
      Posted on December 16, 2011 at 1:29am

      More people should read up on the Lost Ten Tribes. Very interesting. I have never put together your reference of Jesus being here for the lost house of Israel meaning all the Israelites no longer present in the region for so many years. Need to do more reading.

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  • COFemale
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:30pm

    We must continue to stand up at the risk of a lawsuit. This is what atheist are banking on when they file suit; that we will back down. We must counter sue each and every time. Even though I am unemployed, I would be willing to donate $10.00 or so to help fight a lawsuit against any group trying to take my rights away.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:42pm

      If Christian sued threaten to sue over over the second have of the establishment clause they’ld win alot more. See the clause says congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THERE OF. Everytime a school or public property denys or removes a Christmas scence they are PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE WHILE RESPECTING THE RELIGION OF ATHEISM.

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    • PROAMERICAN
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:44pm

      I think that is a great idea and I would also donate. But to whom? Is there any “ACLU” for the conservative cause out there?

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    • sic semper tyrannus
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 4:02pm

      cofemale & proamerican, please check out Liberty Counsel! They’re a wonderful organization run by wonderful people, Mat and Anita Staver. They provide pro bono legal representation to many, many Christians being legally persecuted for proclaiming their (our) beliefs.

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:30pm

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    I sure wish I could shove about 6′ of decorated Scotch Pine Christmas Tree, lights and all up their collective Anit-Christmas behinds. I know it’s not the Christain thing to do, but it’ll DAMN SURE FEEL LIKE THE RIGHT THING at the time…………

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    • Mimi24
      Posted on December 16, 2011 at 1:04am

      I know Spank. I feel the same way. Just imagine doing it. Enjoy it for a few minutes and move on. You can‘t fix stupid and you can’t fix evil. At least we have a place to vent with people that understand.

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    • Zpro
      Posted on December 17, 2011 at 1:05am

      Good idea. Make it a ‘SHOCKING’ experience.Plug-in the Christmas Lights!

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  • WatchOutForTheRINOShills
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:29pm

    Somebody explain to my how an “attorney” who supposedly has studied the Constitution in law school (yeah, right!) does NOT know what the First Amendment ACTUALLY says, and what Jefferson REALLY said (and WHY) about “separation of church and state.” If I as a lay person can educate myself on this issue, why the h*ll are attorneys so stupid?? My God, do these people not have ANY sense at all???????

    I used to live in Paragould growing up and Congrats to the school district for telling these people to “pound sand.” As Spock would say, “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.”

    Maybe all these atheists who are so “disturbed” (pun intended) by Nativity scenes, signs across a road, crosses on top of water towers, etc. should start their own friggin‘ town where they can all be unhappy together and not bother the rest of us who DO believe in celebrating Jesus’ birthday!!!

    Maybe George Soros can buy some land for them and donate it, or maybe the thousands of dollars that OWS has in the bank can go toward starting their own town. Then they can all “work together” (ha!) in harmony….Don’t worry, we all know that town would fail just like the first “communist-style” colonies in the U.S….Idiots, surrounded by idiots!

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    • maccow
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 6:12pm

      All the atheists should buy a town??? They have a whole state called California with San Francisco as their crapitol (miss spell intended).

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  • toto
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:25pm

    The Constitution doesn‘t say you can’t have such a display, it just says that the government can not compel you to have it.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:37pm

      correct,
      It‘s not freedom from religion it’s freedom of religion. Just because a school gets money form the government doesn’t make it part of the goevrnment. If that’s the case they should stop people on welfare(government money) from wearing crosses,having Jesus fish symbols on their cars,or even going to church.If seperation of church and state is an absolute then all government workers should be barred from attending church or donating money(tax dollars) to religious charities as well.
      I say do it all build up suh a hatred in this country for atheist that they’ll crawl back under what ever rock they crawled from and shut the he77 up. Not only that but you can also set so many court presidenses that can be used to stop atheist leeches in their tracks.

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    • MidWestMom
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:21pm

      Toto & smithclar3nc3
      Agree with both of your comments. Spot on.

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  • Robert-CA
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:24pm

    Than You Mr Jerry Noble .

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  • lukerw
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:24pm

    Bravo!

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  • Lordchamp
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:15pm

    Stand Strong Mr. Noble and Community!! YOU are standing for the Constitution. There is absolutely NOTHING in the Constitution about separation of Church and state and anyone interpreting it that way are themselves breaking the Constitution so you then have the right AND obligation to ignore them and the ruling. The power comes from WE THE PEOPLE, NOT the courts.

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    • cemerius
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:26pm

      I agree with you but too many panty waisted US Supreme Courts have made rulings that only strengthen the atiest and line the pockets of the ACLU!!! There is NOT a war on Christmas there is a WAR on Christianity!!!!! There is a reckoning on the horizon and it is a storm that has been foretold centuries before……..

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  • kentuckypatriot
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:12pm

    “Noble says that Christians have been silent for too long.”

    Yes Sir, I‘d say that’s an understatement.

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    • cemerius
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:31pm

      Sure would like the Bishop in Rome also known as the Pope to make a STRONG statement on this!!! I am not a Catholic but I sure would like to see some leadership from that quarter! I sure do imagine Pope John Paul would NOT have been quiet!!!!

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  • geonj
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:09pm

    Christians should start suing school districts for not putting up nativity scenes in schools. we are the offended ones, not the athiests, jews and muslims.

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    • cemerius
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:29pm

      The Jews and the Muslims are NOT offended by Jesus they just don’t see him as anything but a revered profit/rabbi! This is purely a marxist, communist, there is NO god athiest, heathens!!!!

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  • TXPilot
    Posted on December 15, 2011 at 2:09pm

    It’s nice to see several examples like this one, of people standing up to the atheist/pc idiots, and refuse to give into their demands. I think the left-wingers want Christ out of Christmas, for the same reason they want all Christianity destroyed, and that is because it teaches and reinforces values that are abhorrent to the people trying to tear down this country. They can’t ever totally get what they want, as long as there is anything that is a reminder that faith is what has built and sustained this country for hundreds of years.

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    • fidelcashflo44
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:19pm

      Yes, atheists are the “idiots”. Not the people who believe in talking snakes.

      Listen, you uneducated filth. Nobody is trying to stop you from talking to your imaginary friends. If you want to build a life-size Noah’s Farce on your property, go ahead and do it. But don’t do it in the public schools where MY child is learning how to be a RATIONAL HUMAN BEING. School’s are meant to be places of education, NOT superstition. You want a school that teaches irrational idiotic beliefs, ENROLL YOUR KID IN A CHRISTIAN PRIVATE SCHOOL.

       
    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 3:35pm

      Fidelcashfl044 – you left wingers aren’t rational human beings to begin with.

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    • fidelcashflo44
      Posted on December 15, 2011 at 6:17pm

      How is it “left-wing” to request that the government not sponsor a religious belief? If the government sponsored Sharia Law, I would oppose it. How is that “left-wing”.

      Blazers are not educated so I don’t expect them to have any understanding of political science, so let me explain something. If I don’t want the government promoting a particular belief system, I have taken a conservative stance. Read a book you imbeciles.

       
    • finky555
      Posted on December 16, 2011 at 1:50am

      @Fidelcashfl044 nice little play with words with that nic, fidelcastro, nicely communist of you. Can’t win the argument so you call everyone stupid and you are calling blazers uneducated. Your constitution is clear, Government cannot force you to follow Christianity, it is not an official religion. The 1st amendment does not preclude displaying religious information, whether a sign or a display. Same as you are welcome to display what you wish. It amazes me how desperate you come across trying to fight a God you don’t even believe exists.

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