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‘Racist, Confederate Goons’: Heated Debate Erupts on ESPN Over Hank Williams Jr. Departure

A heated debate erupted on ESPN’s show “Outside the Lines” on Thursday during a long segment devoted to whether or not ESPN should have parted ways with Hank Williams Jr. after he made a Hitler analogy earlier in the week.

Things started off fairly benign, but by the end voices were being raised and guests were arguing about the, well, Civil War. This might take some explaining. Hang with me.

Part one featured Ken Paulson of the First Amendment Center, who also used to be editor and senior vice president/news for USA Today; Alexandra Petri of the Washington Post; and Dave Zirin, sports editor of the liberal outlet The Nation. That last name is the most important.

Those three didn’t create any fireworks per se, but they set the stage for the rest of the debate. For example, Paulson noted that while “the spirit of free speech was violated” by ESPN firing Williams* the First Amendment itself was not.

The moderator then asked the piercing question: What do Williams’s views on anything “have to do with his ability to announce it’s time for Monday Night Football?”

Zirin, for the most part, agreed with the others, saying that, “Really, one has nothing to do with the other.” Still, he couldn’t give Williams a free pass: “The NFL is always trying to be all things to all people, and to have as the spokesperson of their flagship show someone who would be viscerally offensive…then it becomes a different question all together.”

But then he made the curious point that Williams’s music advances the idea that we should all be “racist, confederate goons,” which is a reference to Williams’s song, “If the South Woulda Won.”

Here’s that part:

And now we get to the fireworks.

See, ESPN cycled out the first two guests and brought in Paul Finebaum, a radio host down in Alabama where Williams makes his home. He didn‘t take too kindly to Zirin’s remarks about “racist, Confederate goons.”

“What people down here don’t like are people like Dave Zirin making idiotic statements about country music songs that Hank Williams has written,” he said, later adding, “I think the statement he made today is the single stupidist I’ve ever heard in the history of this program.”

That led Zirin to talk about country music “stereotypes” and “oppressing people” and Finebaum to levy the charge that “you don‘t know what you’re talking about” to Zirin, and even a challenge for Zirin to come down to Alabama.

Now the rockets are red-glaring.

Bomani Jones — the second replacement guest — quickly piped up and said that Williams has “attached himself” to politics that many people find “offensive” and “extreme,” and that since he’s a representative of the network, and because he called the president an “enemy,” then there’s a “problem.”

Time out. Didn’t the president use the word enemies to describe conservatives last year? I think so:

I digress.

It only took about 30 more seconds for the bombs to start bursting on air. Finebaum took some of Zirin’s comments about racism as a personal attack on the South, and went on the defensive. That led to a charge of unprofessionalism and everyone comparing who was more Jewish or more southern.

Finebaum eventually asked a poignant question: “What’s wrong with stating your political opinion? Just because you two guys don’t agree with it, and then you start hiding behind all these elitist attitudes, which people from the South are sick of.”

“Paul! I’m as southern as you are!” Bomani shouted back in response.

Here it is:

Alright, then. But although we’re done with the fireworks, we’re not done with the discussion.

ESPN then brought on Robert Thomspon, who teaches TV and pop culture at Syracuse University. Can you guess what he had to say? Well, he took a page out of Glenn Beck’s book and, while he said he agreed with ESPN’s decision, he made it clear that what Williams made was an analogy and even referenced the SAT (like Glenn).

“Let’s take out Hitler for a second,” he explained. “What if he would have said, ‘Obama playing golf with Boehener is like the Big Bad Wolf playing golf with the Three Little Pigs.‘ That’s not actually saying that Obama is the Big Bad Wold and Boehner is the Three Little Pigs. It’s saying that those are similar in that they are both mortal enemies:”

Whew. What a segment. And there is a lot that you could say about it. And I’m sure there will be a lot said about it. Many will certainly wonder where all the outrage was when George W. Bush was compared to Hitler incessantly in the early 2000s. Others will note (as I did) that referring to your opponents as your “enemies” is something Obama made famous last year. And still others will wonder how other stars such as Madonna can make a Hitler reference and still be rumored for a Super Bowl half time appearance.

*I recognize the ESPN claims to have fired Williams and Williams says he quit, but for the sake of this discussion — and since the guests are using the premise that he was fired — we’ll go with “fired.”

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  • commonsenseguy
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:31pm

    so just because someone listens to country music we are racist and confederate goons, so would that obama a low life ,******* hating, big city thug,because he listens to rap, had a conservative sports analyst said something like that, he would have been called a racist and fired,because someone would have been upset that they we’re compared to the confederate and they would have said that it brought backs images of racism and would have been insensitive, but a liberal, well no harm no foul, this is bulls–t, i am offended, { o yeah, i don’t count,because i am a white male and a conservative.} these idiots really must know that the more they spew this crap,and make these sh-t sandwiches, the more people { even their own liberal buddies } see just who obama associates with and who he supports,so keep making the sh-t sandwiches and make a lot of them, people are paying more attention than ever, there is no place in sports for politics, but the NFL and espn on several occasions have been right in the middle, what Hank Williams said was not racist and was his opinion and he was fired, well, espn,what about this commie, country music,confederate hating race baiting idiot, i will a wait his firing, but i want hold my breath,because this is expected from liberals and espn,

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    • jzs
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:04pm

      commonsenseguy, I couldn’t have said it better myself. And you may have a record for the most words written without a single period;

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:38pm

      Barry Soetoro is a bigoted, racist, Hiltlereque waste of human flesh who undoubtedly walks through life with pictures of Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Hugo Chavez, and Fidel Castro tattooed to his worthless fascist marxist hide.

      There is never going to a a fault for telling the truth.

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    • Al J Zira
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:38pm

      Well said, I think. It’s hard trying to read something peinted with absolutely no format or structure.

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    • Pujols
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:42pm

      Not all but many blacks don’t want to be equal anymore like MLK. They think everyone else owes them something because people were slaves a long time ago. They are still taught this is school today. MANY MANY people have been slaves. Not just the black, but the Asians, Irish, Christians, Jews, etc. etc. etc. It’s getting really old. That was so long ago the only slaves still here are the Mexicans and they need to go back home.

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:55pm

      @the10thamendmentguy
      commonsenseguy may have gotten a record for most words without a period, BUT, you’ve got to be comming close for most slurs in fewest words! Not a whole lot more anyone can say there!

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    • mwhaley
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:03pm

      Everyone that has come to this country early in its’ history has had to pay a price. Blacks had forced slavery, the Chinese, Irish, and even the English paid a heavy price. Some paid a much higher debit, but they all paid a debit. My relatives were from England and were indentured servants They died on the debit holder’s farm so their children could be free.

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    • decendentof56
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:12pm

      Pujols….
      Good point about every ethnic group having been slaves.
      Blacks today definitely have a huge chip on their shoulders.

      Here’s the thing that always amuses me…..had Blacks been slaves in, say, China, or, say, the USSR, they would have been sent off to slave labor or shot, and never heard from again. However, the US rectified slavery first, then discrimmination, incrementally, thereafter.

      So, Blacks end up villifying the very system which freed them. Of course, then ‘The Great Society’ came along.

      Thats where the ‘chip’ comes in I mentioned earlier. The Black agitators with real hatred in their soul will never change. Blacks live freely, have benefited from Affirmative Action, get help from other taxpaying Americans in the form of reduced or free housing/school meals/pre-K ‘day care’, etc, and, do to poor parenting, still manage to fail miserably in school, which, in turn starts the cycle over again with the next generation.

      We have seen each succeeding generation become more hostile towards Whites, and this country. Many Blacks are unable to think for themselves of the advantages they have in the USA, regardless of the fact that many Blacks have become very successful. Of course, being ignorant as to what a free society entails helps to keep them in a constant state of rage towards the US.

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    • LogicalMadman
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:13pm

      We are plagued by the constnant double-standard. Liberals can say whatever they want, no matter hbow stupid it is, without facing any consequences. Conservatives speak their minds (even with a Hitler analogy that was actually funny to visualize), and suddenly they’re racist and need to be ostracized. To me, it doesn’t matter to me what ESPN does. I stopped watching their smut a long time ago. They ruined Monday Night Football because their commentators suck and their political bias has been evident in the past. But we need more people speaking up to not let the liberal media get away with it.

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    • Bluebonnet
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:23pm

      I saw a period. In the middle, right of center after the word Conservative. {period} inside bracket.

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    • dnnyshdy
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:32pm

      How are these people so stupid?If you listen to the interview he doesn’t call Obama anything.He’s only saying that Obama and Boehner are as different as Hitler and Netanyahu..that’s it.You can‘t twist it any other way unless you’re a moron.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:05pm

      First of all, I’ve got a problem with a guy who sells Confederate flags with his name embazoned on them. There’s gonna be a presumption of racism until proven otherwise.

      http://hankjr.screenplaynashville.com/hank-jr-rebel-flag-bill-cap-2255

      http://hankjr.screenplaynashville.com/hank-rebel-flag-afghan-5240

      http://hankjr.screenplaynashville.com/hank-logo-rebel-car-flag-815

      Secondly, this is absolute nonsense that Williams was simply making some academic analogy. He was inded equating the President of the United States with the worst mass murderer in history.

      GRETCHEN CARLSON: “You used the name of one of the most hated people in all of the world (Hitler) to describe, I think, the President.”

      HANK WILLIAMS JR.: “Well, that is true…that is true. But I’m telling it like it is.”

      Williams doesn’t belong around decent people in my opinion…

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    • Teaparty-grammy
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:52pm

      @ DNNYSHDY who Posted: “How are these people so stupid?If you listen to the interview he doesn’t call Obama anything.He’s only saying that Obama and Boehner are as different as Hitler and Netanyahu..that’s it.You can‘t twist it any other way unless you’re a moron.”

      Well, yeah — they ARE morons. You gotta wonder though, just why they are soooo sensitive about comparisons of Obama to Hitler? A little too close to home, maybe? A little to close to the truth they can’t face, which is that the emperor has no clothes and they are slavishly following a bankrupt political philosophy which has brought nothing but MISERY and POVERTY to the world? Any FOOL can read a history book and conclude that gee, maybe fascism and Marxism just weren’t very good ideas, considering the appalling toll in human death and misery they brought with them. Not these fools–they march right into it with all flags flying! How STUPID is that?

      Gee, Hitler hated the Jews. Obama is hellbent on destroying Israel, and has made little secret of it. (Note to the uninformed: Israelis are JEWS. Obama hates Israel. You figure it out. Isn’t that a lot like Hitler?) Obama LOVES radical Islam. Hitler hopped into bed with radical Islam, because they shared a common hatred of Jews and a desire to wipe them out. Sound familiar? Hank didn’t say it, but I WILL — OBAMA IS A LOT LIKE HITLER, and anybody who can’t see the similarities is AN IDIOT.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:58pm

      Listening to country music doesn’t make you a Confederate goon, but if you sell Confederate flags on your website (SHOW YOUR REBEL PRIDE!) with your name emblazoned on them, as Hank Williams Jr. does, then I think there’s good reason for at least suspicion.

      Also in response to a poster above who thinks that Mr. Williams was not equating President Obama with the worst mass murderer in history, he was. He admitted that in the interview:

      GRETCHEN CARLSON: “You used the name of one of the most hated people in all of the world (Hitler) to describe, I think, the President.”

      HANK WILLIAMS JR.: “Well, that is true…that is true. But I’m telling it like it is.”

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    • endofsilence
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 12:08am

      Wow….Obama is Hitler and he is a very dangerous person….but what the heck does it have to do with the football song?????? Freedom of speech …just like when everyone was talking about GW being Hitler it was ok than right?

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 12:17am

      Hank Williams Jr. is free to say whatever the heck he wants…but, of course, the NFL and ESPN don‘t have to employ him if they think he’s talking like an ignorant goon. That’s why this country is so great. Freedom to say whatever you want…

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    • mom4times
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 12:20am

      All I have to say is that I love the comment….don’t care about the grammar…..this whole article had me in stiches and that’s without even playing the vids……and….one last thing….“Country folks can survive”…..and WE WILL !

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    • mad_hatter
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 1:16am

      You want talk about a racist battle, look at MSNBC‘s O’Donnell attacking Herman Cain on the how a black man is suppose to act. Talk about insulting. I think Cain handled it well. Here is the clip: http://www.americanparchment.com/video/2011/oct/odonnell_cain_black.html

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    • phil65
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 1:40am

      Lumbar Spine
      Why does it make any difference to you now that a conservative made a comment about Obama, were you this concerned when all the morons were out there burning little Bush effiges and carrying around signs with little Hitler mustaches painted on Bush’s face? Why is it good for one side but not the other? I didn’t serve our country for well over a decade to give just liberals the right to FREE speech, I did it to defend EVERYONES right to free speech.

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    • HumbleServant
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 2:07am

      Dude, I repect your anger. Do not ever hold back from saying what should be said. This is the pot calling the kettle back if we have ever seen it. If the libs can call Bush Hitler, damn well we can call the emlightened one Hitler too. Hank stood up even if it cost him his lucrative contract and the least we can do is stand up for him in the process. Good for Hank for saying what he believes, no matter what retribution comes from it. That’s called being a man among men.

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    • revel222
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 3:02am

      As Glenn Beck said……If you stand up for what you believe in…and know what side you are on…God will protect you. Hank said what he believed in and..He will be rewarded for his integrity and for Standing! Good Job Hank!!!

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    • Sheepdog911
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 4:56am

      @C-guy – Though I’m not a white guy, I’m with you on this. As for ESPN – I’m outta here. Your Sports Baar’s used to be my favorites, Never aAain. The games you air – Never Again. I know who advertises on your channels, Never Again. And, I already changed my cable package to Not include ESPN. You may control who gets face time on your channels, but I control when and where I spend spend my free time and my money. And you are no long included in either.

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    • chazman
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 5:28am

      … I do not know Hank Williams Jr. personally, but I feel as though he could care less about ESPN. The guy has more money than God, and he has the backing of the entire state of Alabama, not to mention most of those who love Country / Western music. Now how many people would that be?Ten’s of millions? Who would those ten’s of millions stick up for, ESPN or HW Jr.? ‘Nough said. Next story, please …

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    • Applehead
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 5:44am

      What about Dana Jacobson at Ron Golic’s roast at Notre Dame said F&*k Notre Dame and F85k Jesus!!! She was suspended for 2 weeks!!! If a Catholic or any Christian said that at a Jewish roast in a Jewish place they would of been fired ASAP!!! But Dana is Jewish and so is ESPN so it fine! Most of ESPN’s top management is Jewish and so is their on air talent!!! Of the the top guy is Jewish too!

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 6:23am

      I didn’t like Bush but how many time did I hear or see the libs call him Hitler.

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    • tifosa
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 6:39am

      If the “libs” who held Bushitler signs were celebs who represented a product they may have been fired too.

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    • Landfill
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 6:54am

      This is yet another reason to avoid watching NFL football. It’s millionaire players hired by millionaire owners to play in stadiums financed by public bonds paid for by the property taxes of little old widows. It used to be a game. It is now nothing but greed in a context preventing free speech of conservatives. The NFL is now for Yankee northerners only and is no longer open to southerners of strong opinion. Congratulations to Barack Obama. The first half-black president in the U.S. has generated more racism than anyone before him. America now has all-out racism and bigotry actively practiced in professional sports.

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    • Jezcruzen
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 7:28am

      I’m a racist Confederate goon, and I don’t even listen to country music. Well, I didn’t think I was a racist, but considering I’m white, believe in the Constitution of the United States, am Christian, and am Southern and despise that POS and his entourage now occupying the WH, and according to the race-baiters out there who have sway in the media… I’m a racist. So, I’ve now embraced the term. Now what do you race-baiting marxist have the say about that.. uh?

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    • old white guy
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 7:30am

      the10th, i think obama has their images on his christmas tree.

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 8:16am

      There is Nothing a rational American could say to one as willfully blind as Dave Zirin. Why did Fox and Friends ask Hank Williams about who he favors in the next election? They asked about Hanks role as voice of Monday Night Football-and he answered honestly -and has not been slapped for that. (Until Zirin attempted to defend ESPN) Hank was asked about the CDs of his daddys Music that he is hawking.
      He answered honestly . And has not been challenged for that ( Though the Radio host Finebaum did allude to it) WHY did Fox ask about politics? And WHY has ESPN not slapped Fox and Friends for
      instigating the issue? Everyone was jumping on Hank Williams and the South as being Racist,and
      stupid. But the Constitution of the Confederate States– was modeled after the US Constitution.The South had closer ties to George Washington and to our Declaration of Independence Than did the Yankee leading up to and just after the War of Northern Aggression. Can you recall the Carpetbaggers? Can you recall the animus by many in the North to recognition of the South — how Congress questionably passed the 13th, 14th ,and perhaps 15th Amendments (most noteworthy the
      questions about the passage of the 14th Amendment are credible) I recall a black man who was a Country Icon-back when I was in the Military. I even got in a bit of trouble for telling a Civil servant that had said “You can’t even tell he is black.” And there are black Country music singers.P.F. and Hank spo

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    • DNC TALIBAN
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 8:27am

      I must only be half racist, I only listen to country music when a good song crosses over to the pop stations.

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    • Clive
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 10:49am

      the reason that the tea party will be extinct in about two years, is because of people like this. people that compare obama to mao, pol pot, hitler, etc. as a conservative, i despise obama as much as the next guy, but when you start making ridiculous and insulting comparisons, it turns off the folks with a brain. its why conventional republicans are distancing themselves from the tea party. obama is “hitler-esque?”… yeah, he is exterminating jews by the masses? are you stupid? you have no credibility.

      lets be real here, obama is about the same thing as george bush. no better, no worse. both bad. obamacare=georges unpaid medicare benefits… giant government = giant government, mounting debt = mounting debt. wars in the middle east = wars in the middle east. its the same guy, with darker skin.

      so quit exaggerating and talking like a stupid 12 year old, quit being such ignorant zombies.

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    • gwssacredcause
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 11:11am

      Liberals always ignore the racist history of the Democrat party, we all know it is hard for them to view what is in the mirror.

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    • pitboss711
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 1:58pm

      The very same left element who called the Tea Party “Nazis” and Herman Cain “Uncle Tom” are now offended by Hank’s comments. It’s called “brainless hypocrisy”.

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  • motonutt
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:28pm

    The socialist libs over at ESPN got their pink little panties in a bunch over Hank telling it like it is.
    Then in so many words Hank told them where to shove it today. They got rid of Rush for telling the truth, now Hank for telling the truth. They suck…..that’s all.

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  • We are Americans
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:27pm

    Dosnt ESPN as a private company have the right to
    fire somebody who they feel dosnt represent their views?
    People have to understand that Hitler was responsible
    for over 12 million deaths. If not more. He is not somebody
    you want to use as an analogy. I hated when they called
    President Bush that too. I hate Hitler and Nazi analogies. You
    lose your argument to most sensible people when you start
    throwing out those comparisons.

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    • commonsenseguy
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:35pm

      wow, where we’re you when they compared bush and walker to hitler, not an analogy but out right compared them to hitler,i know two wrongs don’t make a right, but two wrongs do make a left wing nut job.

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    • palerider54
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:49pm

      As evil as Hitler was, Obama has come closer to destroying America than Hitler ever could have.

      That being said, the people in the South do not consider the Civil War to be over, just taken a little break is all.

      Gonna rest up and then finish it.

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    • motonutt
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:12pm

      @WERAMERICANS….how is this administration all that much different at this point than Hitler? obama is showing many simularities. Class warfare, national socialism, anti-God and religion, whipping up the braindead youth with lies, his brown shirts are marching on wall street as we speak. Then he claims to know nothing about it, just as Hitler. His brown shirts are now spewing anti-semitism and getting away with it. obama sat in a church for 20 years and was married by a pastor that spewed hatred towards jews. Wheres obamas rebuke? Look at his attourny general Holder…the guy is a pure white hating racist lier. We have credible reports now that obama was seen with leaders of the black panthers…..obama loves to give his god like speaches even with the reverb tweaked up to make him sound more god like, just like the guy back in the 30′s with the little mustache….obama has made many comments about how he wished he could just start doing everything through executive order. Prior to Hitler building the military and using it to start his military conquests obama is much the same. He’d love to get rid of the congress and the senate..accept for stacking it with his cronies..Hitleresq…He is a wanna be dictator. If obama could be pulling it off he would be running ruff shod over all white and jewish americans right now I have no doubt. Up till now, I’m not seeing a lot of differance. So as far as I’m concerned Hank was right on. that’s all.

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    • motonutt
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:21pm

      And this is for you jewish people out there……dah………you voted for this guy and other democrats that are getting ready to demonize you and attack you..and allow you to be attacked..He is selling Israel down the tubes, he wouldn’t even let Netenyaho(spelling?) use the front door at the white house….
      Jew’s wake up! Get a clue! Hillary is the same…she is selling you and us out…stop voting for these people that are looking to destroy you! ….. that’s all.

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:00pm

      re : Dosnt ESPN as a private company have the right to
      fire somebody who they feel dosnt represent their views?
      ****
      Good point, is anyone brave enough to actually state WHAT their views actually are?

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:11pm

      @motonutt
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:21pm
      And this is for you jewish people out there……dah………you voted for this guy and other democrats that are getting ready to demonize you and attack you..and allow you to be attacked..He is selling Israel down the tubes, he wouldn’t even let Netenyaho(spelling?) use the front door at the white house….
      Jew’s wake up! Get a clue! Hillary is the same…she is selling you and us out…stop voting for these people that are looking to destroy you! ….. that’s all
      ***
      You have some very good points, I’d like to add a question for the Jewish people who are on the Blaze. These )_______ (fill in the blank) kids on Wall Street keep ranting against the Jews controlling the money, YET THEY WANT FORGIVENESS OF ALL DEBTS. IN MY BIBLE STUDIES OF THE YEAR OF JUBILEE,, ISN’T THIS A JEWISH CUSTOM FROM OUR OLD TESTAMENT AND YOUR TORAH? Or have my Bible study leaders been wrong? I understood that every 7th year all property returned to the family who sold it, and if anyone sold themselves into slavery to pay a debt, on the 7th year it was forgiven? Right?
      IF SO SOMEONE TELL THEM!!!!

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    • Justathinkin
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 12:07am

      @Mil Mom

      The Old Testament states that all debts be for forgiven and indentured slaves be freed every 7th 7th Year of Jubilee. So, every 49 years Jew were supposed to forgive all debts. But that was under the Old Covenant and not the New Covenant. I think even the Jews have a new set of rules from God. They are no longer offering up sacrifices on an altar, one would think there are some other changes as well, right? I’m not saying anything about the Torah for sure, just thinking about the logical conclusion.

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    • We are Americans
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 12:26am

      If you support Israeli then ask any of
      your Jewish friends if President Obama is
      the same as Hitler. It is insensitive to the memory
      of those who died to make the analogy.
      If you have any relatives who fought in WW2
      ask them if he’s the same. It dishoners there
      sacrifice.

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    • tifosa
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 6:49am

      MIL MOM, “These )_______ (fill in the blank) kids on Wall Street keep ranting against the Jews controlling the money…”
      Uh, no. You saw one vid of a guy who is probably emotionally disturbed spouting rhetoric like you read in theblaze and you generalize about tens of thousands of peaceful protesters? weak…

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    • demint.disciple
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 10:06am

      @Lumbar Spine.. What are you talking about , fool ? They fly the confederate flag on top of the state capitol building of South Carolina.. I guess everyone is a racist in South Carolina, huh ? .. You need to research the true meaning of that flag.. It doesn’t stand for what you think it does.. You think it stands for racism because that’s what your liberal schools have taught you or you believe everything you hear.. You’re an idiot..

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  • Dug2Dark
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:22pm

    90 percent of Confederate Soldiers didn’t own a slave, but they fought against all odds to keep slavery???? & Who where they fighting against????? Federalist troops (not USA troops). You win the war & spin it any way you like it. Slavery was an awful idea, but the Brave Confederate Soldiers frighting for our states against a Federal gov.????? The Feds won & how do you like it now??? We can’t help it that the Feds won the war & that the kkk wasn’t smart enough to come up with their on flag & instead used the Confederate Battle Flag to spread their poison. People, please study this & tell me I’m wrong.

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    • Miyegombo Bayartsogt
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:46pm

      It’s true slaveholders were exempted by law from Confederate combat. At the height of the antebellum Southern human chattel industry, 75 percent of the white residents owned no slave. Of the 25 percent who were slaveholders, the vast majority, 88 percent, owned between fewer than 20 people. Because food had to be farmed to victual the rebel troops, slavers were sent home to run their plantations. That left the guys with no dog in the fight fighting and dying in droves to own slaves they couldn’t afford. The causes of the War Between the States were a little more complicated than slaves alone. The South went to war for empire. If you asked the average soldier what the fighting was all about, they would — once they cut through the propaganda — explain how they had a God-given right to expand west and south and conquer new lands for new plantations and new slave owners. Cotton farming depleted the soil so Southern society had to keep clearing new lands if the cotton culture was to continue. The simple way to explain the motivation of the Confederate cause was a dream of new empire. And since that empire was predicated on slavery, ultimately the war was about enslaving fellow human beings in new territories and the fight between those who would have it and those who would not.

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    • UnreconstructedLibertarian
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:50pm

      Miyegombo Bayartsogt, my compliments on your 100% adherence to the opinion of Karl Marx. Not one element different. Read his “Die Presse” articles on the war.

      You convieniently overlook that 5 slave states remained in the Union – what were they fighting for? Also overlooked is that not one slavery provision within the Confederacy – was different than the United States Constitution and laws prior to secession. And, that these laws were fully enforced, unchanged, within the Union until the 13th Amendment was ratified. The Emancipation Proclamation did not free any slave held within the Union, or Union Controlled territories, at the time of its signing. It even exempted 2 Lousiana parishes that were still under the control of the “Rebellion” due to the fact several slave owning plantations were owned by wealthy New Yorkers who financially supported Lincoln. Please, research these facts for yourself. Also, examine your Marxist endoctrination regarding the war.

      The truth is the Confederate Constitution differs from the concurrent US Constitution and laws in these areas: No General Welfare clause (entitlement programs would be unconstitutional), No Bounties (subsidies),No Internal Improvements (pork barrel projects), No dispensation of the Treasury to foster any branch of industry ( Sorry GM, Chrysler, AIG, or Lehman Bros.), Congress was unable to amend the Constitution – only a Convention of the States.

      There are your “causes”, same ones currently problemati

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    • demint.disciple
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 10:29am

      @tifosa.. Yeah the tens of thousands of idiots that closed the Brooklyn bridge down locking arms .. Yes I put them all in the same category.. Idiot..

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  • SHOWMESTATEGUY
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:21pm

    All I can say is I like Hank and always will. He really did not say anything that was not the truth.

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    • mydogtippy
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:03pm

      You are right it was about the feds and conrol over the states,but slavey was add to help get more support for the war. I belive Glenn had a show on the war between the states I can not remember all that was said,I think some Blaze readers might remember the show.

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    • UnreconstructedLibertarian
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 12:43am

      Glenn has had no such show on the war between the states with any dissenting dialogue apart from his own view. He’s had numerous shows that include pieces regarding Lincoln and Frederick Douglass – where he and his guests take the exact same position of Zirin. He directly insulted anyone not holding his view on the September 22nd show.

      Ironic, because O’Reilly smacked Glenn down regarding Washington – using Glenn‘s own logic regarding ’slavery’ this past Oct 3rd. Bill O’Reilly, “I’d never place Washington over Lincoln, because Washington was a slaveholder”. Touche’ Mr. Beck – a stab right through your “Merit” badge.

      Glenn can easily make excuse for Washington – and in the same breath overlook the numerous paragraphs in the Confederate Constitution that would have halted our national spending spree and “redistribution of wealth” taxation situation. Glenn can rail on Obama and his socialist associations, but will never reveal that Lincoln had even more Socialists in his administration than Obama. We get to hear all about Obama’s correspondences with Trumka and Andy Stern – but you’ll never see him examine the exchanges Lincoln had with Karl Marx and actual Communist revolutionaries from the 1848 European wars.

      So no, Glenn has never dealt with the “War Between the States” with any objectivity whatsoever.

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  • One Man Progressive Wrecking Crew
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:21pm

    EVERY single ghetto footbaw pwayer who can‘tz speak nuttin but ebonic’s offends ME brah…!!! Why don’t they BAN THAT? Rhetorical of course.

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    • Hobbs57
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:37pm

      *“dat” not “that” .. lol

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    • fatjack
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:58pm

      Hobbs57
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:37pm

      *“dat” not “that” .. lol
      ———————————————————–
      Who axed you?

      It’s coming! ……………………………Are you ready?

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  • scrapadapolis
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:20pm

    Well did Hank call Fox to be interviewed?Or viceversa?Seems to me Hank was goated for his take on this president and his answer was not a clean answer for Fox.But people like Fox Piven and have in words posted on Fox News as The Hitler like mentality of the rich to keep there money isnt fair to the working poor.Hank just make another album and forget the loosers at fox, Im no longer a watcher.Its going to the left I think Soros Bought them out and money changed hands..

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    • commonsenseguy
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:46pm

      i have been a fox news watchers for years, but since glenn left, fox news has gone to the middle road, i love the judge Napolatonio and Megen Kelly , but the rest well, i am not sure if the scandal over in england has made them more middle of the road, but something has changed and not for the good , i was shocked that they reacted the way they did, but after thinking about it, i was not,because they have been trying to be more of a middle of the road news source, they lost me a while back, just the ones mentioned do i watch. i hope they get it together before they lose even more viewers.

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  • Acts_19
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:20pm

    Hank has already signed another gig to replace ESPN anyway.
    He’s doing spots for Ex-Lax,
    “Are you ready for some HOCKEEEYYYY?!?!?!”

    I grew up listening to Hank Jr. One thing I know about him, he don’t give a rip what anybody thinks. I just hate that our country is more divided now than ever. Glad I got my shotgun, rifle, and my four wheel drive, know what I‘m sayin’? ;-)

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    • Red Meat
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:28pm

      Here’s the deal. People (Conservatives) should boycott the racist ESPN and NFL. Period. They denied Rush being part owner of a team. They are racists and I haven’t watched pro sports in over 10 years.

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    • MidWestMom
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:42pm

      and a country boy will survive!

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    • BeyondFedup
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:44pm

      Don’t forget Mike tyson got away with advocating the rape of Sarah Palin on their PC network. I can‘t boycott them cause I don’t watch but any conservative who does watch them should think twice.

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    • G8trdone
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:51pm

      Yep, no NFL, and only College Gameday from ESPN. Nothing else from me ever. The feminization of our country is becoming more and more apparent everyday…

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  • ares338
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:20pm

    Hank is gone and arguing about a moot point is useless. No one is going to change their mind about anything. My take is; if you don‘t want to know someone’s opinion about a topic…..DON‘T FREAKIN’ ASK THEM!

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    • MidWestMom
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:40pm

      My theory exactly. Everyone I know understands that if you ask me my opinion, I’ll give it to you. Straight up, no sugar coating. I‘m not rude and I don’t attack their opinions. But I will give them a calm honest answer.

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  • atlantaguy111
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:09pm

    I miss William Buckley. He wouldn’t put himself in the middle of this kind of crap-storm that passes for intellectual discussion. The only person more annoying than Zirin was the host, who kept interrupting them when they actually started to have a dialogue. Had they let them go, Zirin was ready to throw a fit, which at least would have been entertaining.

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  • I_Object
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:08pm

    ESPN doesn’t like Hitler analogies, but they don‘t mind letting dog murdering psycho’s (Vick) come back to the NFL because despite his obvious flaws, they claim he’s paid his debt to society and he can put butts in seats. They’ve made a mistake this time. They made a mistake when they wouldn’t let Rush buy into the St. Louis Rams too. It seems to me that if one were to look just under the surface – ESPN and the NFL may have clearly drawn a line in the sand and have sworn fealty to profit above character. Kind of sad really… Just another enclave of greedy jerks and hypocrites.

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    • Theleftisda
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:27pm

      ESPn has no say in football/and the reason Rush did not get an NFL team was his partners they could not secure enough backing pure and simple,the former owner of the Dolphins is a well known conservative he was able to purchase the team along with the current owner

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    • BuzzardSays
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:13pm

      Hold on a second…Vick paid his debt. Leave him the heck alone. People eat them “barky” things in China and they taste like chicken. An analogy of that sort puts you into near liberal territory.

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  • LOLASDADDY1
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:07pm

    I remember espn‘s sportsreporters on sunday all four of them said they disagreed with arizona’s imagration law. I guess their political opinions were ok then. I haven’t watched them since.

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  • abbygirl1994
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:03pm

    Dave is a dork.. is a hypocrite.. these damn liberals think its a okay when they are saying it about the GOP.. or Bush or anyone else they don’t like.. but boy when someone says it about them is wahhhhh wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh wahhhhhhh.. Hypocrites.. all of them! God help us!

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    • t00nces2
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:12pm

      I think Glenn had it right… If Williams promoter had and gojonez, he would have Williams apologize to Boehner for the Hitler reference.

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  • COFemale
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:03pm

    Frankly, I don’t give a rats patooty about ESPN. I don’t watch them and I never will. They are a bunch of stuck up elitist communist anyway. Nothing but hot air. So dang glad I never have to hear Madden and his narcissistic way of showing his super bowl ring. What a dufuss!

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  • RepubliCorp
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:01pm

    They can call the tea party every name in the book and that’s just fine

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  • dsind
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:01pm

    ESPN is a joke and most people know it,
    even the shareholders, who should sell their
    holdings before these idiot media and this
    administration trashes the economy completely.

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    • godhead
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 1:01am

      Hmm, you now that you can’t sell ESPN stock, right? There is no such things as ESPN stock. I mean, you’re a conservative. A Tea Party conservative. You’re the folks always telling us how informed you are, right? James Madison fans, right? Federalist Papers scholars, right? So, tell me, how is it you thought there was ESPN stock? Did Hank tell you that? I wonder if all his rowdy friends sold their ESPN stock? And why would Hank work with such a lose outfit in the first place?

      Tell me, please, oh wise and visionary Tea Party person, Why? Why?

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  • Hickory
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:00pm

    Maybe ESPN can now hire a gay guy to announce the start of monday night football while dressed in a tu-tu and twirling on his tip toes. No more pro football for me. They just put on the last straw.

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    • Theleftisda
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:20pm

      I get boycotting ESPn/why would you stop wathing football?ESPn does not own football

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  • majorsco
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 7:52pm

    This was a set up job against Hank Williams Jr. All three were opposed. The woman was opposed to his views and just wanted to hear his intro. The others were more opposed. There was no fair and balanced discussion. Obviously ESPN has a political view that they want to show. I bet they were just waiting for something to fire him over. The Hitler reference is a favorite tool with the left when insulting Republicans. It’s only forbidden when it goes the other way. ESPN has no class.

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  • dewmanrn
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 7:52pm

    This is the first time I have posted ever, people like me and the rest of you who are still on the sidelines need to become active. we at at the junction of last chance to get it right. Hmmm , I,m not much of a writer but we all need to get plugged in and become prepared.

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    • bullcrapbuster
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:47pm

      @dewmarn………….welcome

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    • raspberrytea
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:19pm

      @ Dewmanrn
      Glad your here. Be Of Good Cheer!!! There’s alot
      of us out here that don’t post alot or any for that
      matter. But we’re here, and we’re fed up!!
      We must stand together for freedom our children
      depend on us to do what’s right. God Bless America.

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    • godhatesacoward
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:25pm

      Welcome. Make yourself at home. Beware of the trolls.

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  • Sirfoldallot
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 7:51pm

    Why stop with he’s free speach ? Honey where is that Duck Tape ?

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  • Tom21773
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 7:48pm

    How come nobody got fired or otherwise in trouble for calling G. Bush Hitler (which is NOT what Williams did). These libs are a bunch of racist hypocritical cowards.

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    • Chuck
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:30pm

      @Tom121773,
      You don’t get it DO YOU ?!??
      To call a conservative (neither bush was a conservative, but they headed the conservative party) hateful names, i.e., HITLER or SATAN, or EVIL, is simply PATRIOTIC DISSENT !! It is not vitriolic or punishable by termination !! … that is UNTIL the tables are turned and the conservatives try lambasting the libs 1/4 as much as the libs did the conservatives !! Then it becomes … “..let’s tone down the vitriol.” .. or “..FIRE THE BAST… !!”

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  • MrMagoo
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 7:46pm

    Dictators are dictators.Obama fits the mold.Hank was just comparing and saying out loud what a majority of Americans think.

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    • abbygirl1994
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:00pm

      Well said MrMagoo well said!!

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    • jsDway
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:19pm

      @MRMAGOO – exactly, that is what Williams meant! Obama is a dictator!!!!!

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    • Chuck
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:32pm

      Mr Magoo HAS 20/20 VISION !!
      So ACCURATE !

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    • Mil-Dot
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 4:49am

      “…..Oh Magoo, you’ve done it again”

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on October 7, 2011 at 7:49am

      It may be even more accurate if you left the “tator” part out.

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  • UlyssesP
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 7:43pm

    Obvious and stupid.

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  • ReadItToday
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 7:39pm

    Sounds like the whole event was orchestrated. Especially after I read this
    http://BiggestCoverUp.blogspot.com/

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  • sWampy
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 7:39pm

    I’m offended by Obama, every time I see or here him, I change the channel.

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    • Shasta
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 7:45pm

      I can’t listen to him either. Every time he is blabbing on TV, the stock market takes a dive.

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    • dewmanrn
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 7:47pm

      I agree swampy..makes me sic

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    • MrMagoo
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 7:48pm

      You’d be surprised at how many of us do the exact same thing!

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 7:53pm

      obamanation indeed he’s a pathological liar.

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    • squeaker
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:13pm

      I keep turning up the “Brightness” but obambam is still as dumb as ever…lol

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    • mgcre
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:19pm

      That would be an interesting Poll: “Do you change the tv channel when BHO is on?” – well maybe not that interesting – LOL!

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    • Reduce.Our.Govt.Footprint
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:24pm

      Everytime Obammy speaks, I count the lies…..lie, future lie, past lie, double lie, predictable lie, lie on top of a lie, lied about lying, wanted to tell the truth but, didn’t know how…..LIAR!!!

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