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Rare First-Edition Book of Mormon Recovered in D.C. After Being Stolen From AZ Bookstore

MESA, Ariz. (The Blaze/AP) — Federal authorities have arrested a man in the theft of a rare first-edition copy of the Book of Mormon from a suburban Phoenix bookstore.

First Edition Book of Mormon Stolen From Helen Schlie Found

Image Credit: ABC News

Mesa police said Tuesday that FBI and U.S. marshals searched the apartment of Jay Linford in Washington, D.C., and recovered the book that, according to experts, is valued at about $40,000. The owner, however, values the book much higher — at $100,000.

The edition is one of 5,000 printed in 1830 and, quite obviously, a rarity.

The owner of Rare and Out of Print Books and Art in Mesa reported the book stolen on May 28 and said it wasn’t insured. Helen Schlie says it‘s known throughout Mesa’s Mormon community that her store had an original copy.

Here’s an ABC News report highlighting the original theft:

Police say the store owner knows Linford and he allegedly was in the store at the time of the theft. According to Reuters, Schlie is extremely hurt by the betrayal, as she had a close relationship with the man:

Schlie told Reuters on Tuesday that Linford was a “very close friend,” who in 2006 published a book of her poems and planned seven more books of her work.

“This really, really hurts my heart,” said Schlie, 88, in a brief telephone interview. “He’s the age of my grandchildren. This is very sad for me.”

Schlie, a converted Mormon, declined any additional comment.

Police say Linford is being held on $40,000 bond pending extradition to Arizona.

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  • 54smom
    Posted on June 14, 2012 at 1:51am

    Some of you are just plain mean. And not Christian in the least. Your tone and lack of civility is totally
    unChrist like. Let you without sin cast the first stone. The Latter day saint people have earned the right to exist. People took their property, killed their leaders, and have savaged attacks on them to this day. They have the same kind of people in their church as any other good and bad, none perfect. Let the hate go. If your leaders in your church are preaching hate and discord you need a new church.

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  • thedweh
    Posted on June 14, 2012 at 1:14am

    im so tired of evangelicals getting on here and twisting the truth of what the lds faith is. it has prompted me to get off the defensive side to and point out the problems in your faith to show you “christians” what its like to have your personal beliefs attacked…

    EVANGELICALS believe that god is an incomprehensible being who lived forever all by himself in absolute nothingness until one day he decided to create a universe, heaven, hell and earth. next he created evil and then he created billions of men and women and put them on the earth.

    then he sent 1/3 part of himself.. (jesus) to the earth to save the people he created, from the evil he created. BUT, many BILLIONS of those people, he created either in a time or place where it would be IMPOSSIBLE for them to ever learn anything about jesus christ and so they can’t be saved.

    so, he set up a system where billions of people who he created will burn in hell FOREVER through no choice of their own, while the few who did learn of jesus and believe in him will live with god forever in heaven. and the purpose of all of it??

    so god could have a small number of people kneel at his feet and sing to him for ETERNITY

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    • joel228
      Posted on June 14, 2012 at 4:16am

      thedweh, that is very well stated. I hope it’s just a small minority of evangelicals that need it said but regardless of the number or percentage they sure are a noisy and annoying bunch.

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    • ASE
      Posted on June 14, 2012 at 9:52am

      A god that would never have his children rise above the level of someone kneeling at his feet and singing to him for eternity quite plainly loves himself and not his children/slaves. This goes against the truth that God loves His children and will give them all that He hath, if they would only just earnestly seek Him, and obey His commandments. Why they can’t see this is beyond my understanding – they must open their eyes, their hearts, their minds and learn to SEE.

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  • dontbotherme
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:42pm

    I cannot believe that the owner of the book store did not have the book insured. Special riders are worth the cost should something like this happen. I’m glad they were able to recover it.

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  • Dauh
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 7:28pm

    I read a reproduction of the first edition all the time, and it’s no less uplifting and inspiring than the current Book of Mormon. Of course there are grammatical and punctuation errors in the original text–Joseph Smith could barely write his name, and the scribes probably weren’t much more literate. Yet he produced an intricate, complex book that not the most prolific author could write.

    Hmm…

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  • kaabell
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 5:02pm

    Good now analysts can see the plagiarism & contradictions in the 1st edition compared to book printed now. The book of Mormon is good for one thing, proving the lds “church” contradicts the word of Good & is unbiblical. From its testimony to the theology.
    For those who think i’m anti-Mormon i’m not just anti-lds church. For taking the truth from the people searching the truth of God.
    Read the Bible. Not a fictional character called morni

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 6:49pm

      *sigh* The ignorance on the Book of Mormon and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (such as the post above) displayed on a site that is supposed to be being read by enlightened readers is really ridiculous.

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    • Wildape
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 7:24pm

      I would be greatly interested in seeing historical evidence from South American culture about Jesus. I’m not aware of any. There is nothing about the Aztec, Mayan, Omec, or any other mythology in Central or South America that has a Christ like figure. By all means Kensen, point them out to me.

      And if there is evidence why did the presence of Jesus take off in the Middle East but not in America? What failed?

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    • SonOfThunder
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:26pm

      Amen Kabelll… Mormonism is a cult. Repent and put your trust in Jesus. Not in the false prophet Joseph Smith. Yeah right lucifer is Jesus’ brother and God was a man first then god. Where is that in the Bible?

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    • Rob676
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 10:15pm

      @ WILDAPE

      Here ya go Ape, scientific evidence of cultures possessing the word of God long before Columbus etc.

      http://www.lostcivilizationdvd.com/
      Researchers discover, or rather re-discover, over 200,000 lost cities and burial mounds scattered throughout America, countless artifacts and also one of the earliest copies of the 10 commandments written in a reformed Hebrew. If all this has been uncovered, just think what else might be hidden, perhaps other records of God’s interactions with ancient americans. Also check out:
      http://godssecret.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/oldest-known-10-commandments-is-in-america-in-ancient-hebrew-script-from-time-of-king-solomon/

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on June 14, 2012 at 2:45am

      @kaabell See Rob676′s post. And to add to that, you’ve never heard of the Great White God who promised to return in all of those cultures?

      “And if there is evidence why did the presence of Jesus take off in the Middle East but not in America? What failed?” Don’t even know what you are talking about. Needs clarification.

      @SonOfThunder
      “Mormonism is a cult. Repent and put your trust in Jesus.“ We are not a ”cult.” We do put our trust in Jesus and no one else. We are the Church of *Jesus Christ* of Latter-day Saints. Whose name is in your church? You are ignorant and only believe the falsehoods presented about us.

      “Not in the false prophet Joseph Smith.” Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God.

      “Yeah right lucifer is Jesus’ brother and God was a man first then god. Where is that in the Bible?” It’s not. The first part at least. It is in revealed scripture, which I know you don’t believe in. Too bad. I do. Besides why is the concept of Lucifer being Jesus’ brother so difficult to understand? Cain was Abel’s brother, too. Both were Adam’s sons. One was righteous and the other evil. Can you understand that concept? Christ wanted to do the will of Elohim, God the Father and give all the glory to His Father. Lucifer, or Satan, wanted to do his own will and take all the glory to himself. One was righteous, one was evil. They were brothers. Just like Abel and Cain. What is so difficult to understand?

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on June 14, 2012 at 3:02am

      “who’s”

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  • Commonsensical
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 4:30pm

    I lived in Mesa AZ for 10 years, and had dealings in the construction industry. My Mormon associates were very friendly and helpful… until they realized there was no way to convert me… then the goodwill dried up. Every single LDS person I did business with back then eventually cheated, stole or swindled money from me, or faced jail and lawsuits for swindling someone else. Several of the LDS businessmen I knew were actively suing each other…

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    • Alex
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 5:04pm

      Its funny. If you had told me that some LDS members once cheated, stole or swindled money from you, or had faced jail and lawsuits for swindling someone else, I might have believed you. Now you say that EVERY Mormon you ever met in 10 years did that? I’m incredulous. I am not buying it.

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    • Commonsensical
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 6:02pm

      Alex, If you’re going to challenge my statements, at least use CORRECT quotes! I said every Mormon I ever “did business with”, NOT every Mormon I “ever met”. There is a HUGE difference. I stand by my statement; In 10 years of doing business in Mesa AZ, every self proclaimed Mormon I did business with either swindled, cheated, or stole from me or someone else.

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    • Alex
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 6:54pm

      I‘m sorry I didn’t explicitly stipulate “that I did business with”, even though that is what I meant.

      Even so, I stand by my statement and I’ll tell you why. Mesa has a very large Mormon population, and since you were there for 10 years, the number of Mormons you are likely to have done business with is likely very high. I find it very hard to believe that doing business in an area with a high Mormon concentration for over 10 years, that every Mormon you did business with swindled you. It doesn’t pass the smell test. Sorry.

      Look, I am not blind enough to believe that a Mormon could not have swindled you, nor that you weren’t at some time swindled by a Mormon or two, but neither am I gullible enough to believe that every one of those you did business with did either.

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  • Drugstore Patriot
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 3:10pm

    I wouldn‘t want to say anything bad about anybody’s religion, unless it was evil, i just don’t understand why people would think that the Holy Bible needed an addendum to it. Now, if you want to believe that this fellow, John Smith, in the 1800′s wanted to get out the Word of Jesus, with a little book of Chistian literature what we call in the South ,“tracts”, that’s fine, but to have the audacity to say your book of “Morman” is the part of the Word of God is naturally suspicious to an evangelistic Christian like myself. I am ignorant when it comes to other peoples religions like Jehovah‘s Witness’s and Seventh Day Adventist and the Masons and so on. I‘m just confused and don’t know who to believe. I do know that if you don’t have Jesus Christ in your heart, that you will be cast into the Lake of Fire!

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    • Alex
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 3:30pm

      “I‘m just confused and don’t know who to believe. ”

      Believe God and what He reveals to YOU, but do not suppose that He cannot reveal more. Trust that He will guide you. Go to mormon.org and get a copy of the Book of Mormon yourself. Do your own reading, thinking, praying and pay attention to the inspiration of God you receive.

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    • Wildape
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 4:32pm

      I think Smith was a brilliant con artist who collected a group of strong Christians who attempted to live in an ideal lifestyle. I think the Mormons are successful but I think they are also rife with power hungry predators who have managed a near mafia like network. That the leader of the Senate, several Senators and Congressmen, and probably a President of the US is testament to to their ability. I don’t know what to make of Romney but I have made up my mind about Harry Reid. He is a good example of the worst that Mormons have to offer whereas Glen and his crew are the opposite. I know that I will have offended many Mormons with this statement. I have nothing but respect for those like Glen, Stu, and Pat. They are stand up people.

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 6:55pm

      @Wildape I am LDS and am definitely NOT offended by your remarks about Harry Reid. Just because there is a church does not mean the members are perfect, by no means. As a matter of fact, that is precisely why we have churches. I agree, Harry Reid is vermin, and I am embarrassed that it is known that he is a Mormon. And I often wonder why liberals often berate Mormons, but not him? Well, that‘s because he’s one of them!

      As far as your other remarks about us being like the mob, that just cracks me up! “Power hungry predators?” Give me a break. Shall we now take inventory of who “in power” professes to be of which religions so we can truly see how Mormons are really in the minority? Come on, think about what you just said. It is really silly.

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    • Wildape
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 7:15pm

      Kensen, I stand by that. As a non Mormon try and get a job as a non Mormon in Utah. Growing up I saw how controling leaders in the LDS church were. I doubt that is confined solely confined to Mormons. Ive seen that in a lot of Christian churches as well. Perhaps mafia is too strong a word because it is linked to organized crime and I don’t see a lot of that in the Mormons. Perhaps clanlike is more apt. I suppose there is something about being a religious leader that brings out the god complex in man. I just don’t care for it.

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on June 14, 2012 at 2:50am

      @Wildape Oh, OK, “clanlike” yes I can see that in Utah, definitely. And I wouldn’t disagree with you on your last post. It does happen, unfortunately.

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  • BOMUSTGO
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 2:54pm

    Theological rubbish.Read the book,”The God makers.”

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    • Alex
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 3:14pm

      That’s right. Decker and Hunt’s “The Godmakers” IS theological rubbish.

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    • Wildape
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 3:53pm

      I’ll read it, although it probably won’t change my opinion of Mormons but confirm what I already know. My widowed mother married into the cult, lost the fortune that my dad made. My Mormon step father gambled everything away, beat her and my brother, cheated on her,and was a complete tyrant growing up. He died and left her in crushing poverty. The kids that I grew up who were Mormon were angels in front of their parents and party animals when they weren’t. I have several family members who are Mormon and I honestly can’t stand them. It isn’t their church or their beliefs, it is the collective mindset that you had best conform to or they will chew you up. I‘ve met a few Mormons who are nice people but by and large I’m repelled by them. It took me a lot to overcome that history when I found out that Glen, Pat, and Stu were Mormons. You act like a lot of them I’ve met Alex. Quick to take offense and debate and cover up. Just like my step father.

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    • Alex
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 4:32pm

      Wildape,

      It sounds like your stepfather has a lot to answer for in the day of judgment. Some of your friends in your youth sound like rotten eggs too. It is unfortunate. They ought to know better.

      You can share, defend and live your beliefs to the best of your ability, but you can’t always prevent a bad example from undermining what should have been a good experience. I hope your experience will improve.

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    • Wildape
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 5:25pm

      What I think is insidious about my step father is how he twisted my mother’s head around and abused her mentally. She was convinced for years that she wouldn’t go to “the Celestial Heaven” without his blessing. She was shunned by the church members because they did not believe that he gambled. He was a big shot at the temple. He used the word of god and his religion to control my mother and to beat her down. Mormons have no idea how powerful a weapon treating someone as a non person is.

      The last fist fight I got into was with my Mormon cousin who babtised my non Mormon father after his death. He meant well, he knew that my father would get her into the “Celestial Heaven” whereas my step father would not. The Mormon members of my family were happy to see a Mormon solution to the problem my mom had. It was all silly in retrospect. It later helped me to overcome my anger towards all Mormons. That side of the family never speaks to me but I don’t care.

      I also understand that there are a lot of Mormons who are decent people and undeserving of scorn. What I think shocks you Alex is the depth of my anger. I think faith is a personal journey. I honestly do not wish you ill. I have a new faith now and we don’t recruit. I‘m able to filter my step father’s actions independently vice the Mormons as a whole. So, peace to you Alex.

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    • Rob676
      Posted on June 14, 2012 at 12:29pm

      @WILDAPE It’s always dishearteing and disappointing to hear how some member of the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS have behaved and and treated others so terribly. Like any other denomination there are those among us that are in it for the wrong reasons or are wolves in sheeps clothing. They are not always discovered right away but they can’t hide from their sins forever. What I do know is that those who have made those sacred covenants and then do not honor them, the Lord has said that when He returns, the cleansing will begin with His own house and the suffering of those who have a testimony and made those covenants will be more terrible than the none-believer. I too hope that your experience with members of the church improves.

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  • mcsledge
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 2:34pm

    What a hoot.

    - God, The Father, revealed Himself to man again (as He had done before) and so-called Christians are beside themselves

    - Christ reveals Himself to Joseph, Oliver, Sidney and possibly others (as He had done on many occasions throughout the Bible – both Old as Jehovah and New as Christ) and so-called Christians are beside themselves

    - Christ restores His Gospel and calls prophets and apostles (just as he had done in the meridian of time) and so-called Christians are beside themselves

    - Angels appear and restore priesthood authority (and no man taketh this honor [priesthood] unless he be called of God as was Aaron) and so-called Christians are beside themselves

    - God reveals to man additional scripture (you know, something he had done for 4,000 years, not to mention that this set of scriptures was prophecied about) and so-called Christians are beside themselves

    - God reveals His will through living prophets and apostles today (as he had done since the time of Adam down until the death of the apostles) and so-called Christians are beside themselves

    Makes one wonder if so-called Christians no who Christ is, what His doctrines are and whether they even believe in the Holy Bible (i.e. believing in: a living God, a Resurrected Christ, in divine revelation, in priesthood authority, in Gospel ordinances mandatory for entry into God’s Kingdom, in organized religion led by Christ, etc.)

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    • mcsledge
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 2:43pm

      Ooops …….if so-called Christians KNOW who Christ is

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 2:51pm

      Bingo, MCSLEDGE. But you‘ll notice that people don’t like to think reasonably and rationally if it means they may have been wrong. The tactics that Liberals use to attack conservatism and Christianity in general are much the same tactics that many who read this site will use to attack Mormons. They don’t care about truth, only about being right. You explain something with clarity and the response is either to mock or defame. You bring up the Book of Mormon, they bring up “magic underwear”. You bring up priesthood authority and continuing revelation, and they bring up polygamy and thinking we’re going to go run our own planet when we die. Like I said, there are those who will listen with real intent, and there are those who will deny heaven and hell to hold to false traditions. That’s not to say that all who disagree are bad. There is nothing wrong with divergent opinions, but there is something wrong ignorance and bigotry.

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on June 14, 2012 at 3:01am

      Bingo to both of you. We always try to be civilized and respectful in our speech to others, but they are just insulting and mocking. They do not realize that we could take many, many tenets of their religion and shove it in their faces, too, as being “weird” and “strange” and that we could certainly mock them upside down silly if we chose to take that offensive, immature, ignorant, disrespectful, hypocritical, and blatently UN-Christianlike behavior. As a matter of fact, we could take many of their teachings and practices and also say “Where do you find *that* in the Bible?“ They sit their in their mocking voices and attitudes and claim to be ”Christian” or followers of Christ and His teachings. I ask of any of them: Where in the scriptures do you ever read Christ talking to ANYONE in that manner? Shameful.

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  • Alex
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:14pm

    I was in Salt Lake last week and saw one of the original manuscript pages of the Book of Mormon. It is definitely worth seeing. It was in Oliver Cowdery’s handwriting written out longhand like a dictation without paragraphing, punctuation, proofreading, editing, or versification. Just the text that Oliver heard Joseph Smith dictate. It was a marvelous experience for me.

    Knowing the Book of Mormon as I do, I saw no surprises in the original manuscript. Just punctuation added, spelling corrections, and other edits to make it fit for an English publication…nothing more really.

    Too many who pounce on editorial changes in the Book of Mormon are ignorant of the history of the Bible, or are ignorant of the process of getting any text ready for publication. Let us remind ourselves that there don’t even exist any original manuscripts of any of the books of the Bible. Also, when the texts of the Bible in the Hebrew and Greek were translated into English, there were many editorial changes to bring the texts into the format we have them today.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:25pm

      The Bible has been around two thousand years and has very little change from the original context. The BOM has been around less than 200 hundred and has had 3913 changes in the book of Mormon, excluding punctuation changes. Many of those changes made in the BOM are entire meaning of the text has been changed.

      Look believe what you like, its just dangerous to believe in anything outside of the Bible.

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:51pm

      @Mutiny, you said that the Bible has not had any changes? Are you kidding? Just how many versions of the Bible are there now? No changes? What kind of ignorant statement is that? And why are there that many versions of the Bible? Over 32! And that’s just the English versions, not even counting the dozens of different languages and THEIR variants. Why are there so many versions? Because there are that many people who do not agree with the translation or want to clarify translations.

      Look, if you can’t even fathom that concept, then here is a concept for you: How about the differences between the Wycliff Bible and the KJV?

      “No changes to the Bible.” Wow. How breathtakingly wrong.

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    • mcsledge
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:55pm

      Mutiny – There has been no doctrinal changes made in The Book of Mormon since its first translation. You can sell that propoganda elsewhere.

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 2:00pm

      @Mutiny Here is a link that will help you in understanding this concept (why so many versions of the Bible): http://www.allabouttruth.org/versions-of-the-holy-bible-faq.htm

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    • Chuck Stein
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 2:05pm

      The Blaze is like a ship on a voyage of thought and understanding. The ship does, however, have a “Mutiny”

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    • by faith
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 2:26pm

      Some Protestants will tell you that the only acceptable version of the Bible is the King James. This position is known as King James-onlyism. Its advocates often make jokes such as, “If the King James Version was good enough for the apostle Paul, it is good enough for me,” or, “My King James Version corrects your Greek text.”
      They commonly claim that the King James is based on the only perfect set of manuscripts we have (a false claim; there is no perfect set of manuscripts; and the ones used for the KJV were compiled by a Catholic, Erasmus), that it is the only translation that avoids modern, liberal renderings, and that its translators were extremely saintly and scholarly men. Since the King James is also known as “the Authorized Version” (AV), its advocates sometimes argue that it is the only version to ever have been “authorized.” To this one may point out that it was only authorized in the Anglican church, which now uses other translations.
      The complete KJV was published in 1611. Over the last three centuries, numerous minor changes (for example, of spelling and grammar) have been made in the King James, with the result that most versions of the KJV currently on the market are significantly different from the original. This has led one publisher to recently re-issue the 1611 King James Version Bible.

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    • by faith
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 2:29pm

      Who was King James?
      James I reigned as king of England from 1603 to 1625. He was the son of Mary Queen of Scots, and he had been king of Scotland before succeeding to the English throne at the death of Queen Elizabeth I. He was prompted to produce an English Bible because of the poor and tendentious copies being circulated in England. He feared these could be used by seditious religious and political factions.
      His authority was one usurped from the Catholic Church, beginning with his predecessor King Henry VIII. Henry had broken with the Catholic Church and made himself the head of the Church in England, which soon enough became the Church of England. You could say James had no more authority in biblical matters than any head of state, basically none. What authority would a “George Bush Bible” have? The true authority and safeguard over Scripture was and has to be the Catholic Church, to which Christ gave his authority. No secular authority has any rightful authority over the Bible.

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    • Alex
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 2:43pm

      Mutiny,

      You have no way of establishing that it is dangerous to believe anything beyond the Bible. I submit that a declaration of a closed canon was a declaration of man, and not of God and that you are wrong. There is nothing in the Bible declaring the canon of scripture to be closed and there exists no divine declaration as to what the contents of the Bible shall be. The Table of Contents of the Bible does not constitute an authoritative statement on what alone constitutes the Word of God. It is only a declaration of what is bound between the two covers.

      I don’t worship the text of the Bible like you do. I worship the God who inspired the Bible and know that He speaks to man. He has given the Word of God before, and He can give it again, with or without an ancient text. He doesn’t have to rely on man preserving ancient texts for Him for the Word of God to exist. He can speak again.

      The Bible is not true because it is old, but you seem to think so. The Bible is not true because we can verify place names either. (We can verify Mt. Olympus, but it doesn’t mean that Zeus has ever lived there.) It is true because we can verify its inspiration by our own revelation from God.

      The Holy Ghost accompanies me when I read the Bible. That same Spirit enlivens my soul when I read the Book of Mormon. I am confident in the revelations of the Holy Ghost that confirm the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 4:20pm

      @ken

      The dead sea scrolls proved the Bible as it was the same verses context from then to now. Different versions and translations havent altered the context of the Bible. God‘s one book remains true by God’s hand.

      @mcsledge

      You are very incorrect. Do some research, try again.

      @byfaith

      I dont use a King James version. The difference between the versions are very small with few to none context changes that I have ever seen. I have compared my King James to my NIV Bible and seen little to no difference in meaning.

      Alex

      Actually I do. We are not to give heed to any other gospel. The Mormons were given a different gospel by an angel which is specifically discussed in the Bible not to do.

      You say I worship the Bible the book, which is a false claim. I worship the God of the Bible and Jesus Christ of the Bible. This is something you cannot claim due to the facts you believe you can become a god, God was once a man, and Jesus and Satan are brothers. Those 3 issues allow believers to see a false faith created by Satan to trick us. Yes you will say Jesus Christ is who you worship but if you miss the point of Jesus Christ then its not him you are worshiping. Remember Satan also knows Jesus Christ’s name and who he is.

      I dont believe the Bible to be true because its old. I believe its true through faith and the it being old and having a withstanding context only helps.

      We both cannot be right. I will stick with the Bible.

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    • by faith
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 6:31pm

      Stick with the Bible that is a good idea

      As a Catholic I say your welcome. KJV were compiled by a Catholic, Erasmus

      The Original BibleTimeline
      AD 51-125 – The New Testament books are written.
      AD 140 Marcion, a businessman in Rome, taught that there were two Gods: Yahweh, the cruel God of the Old Testament, and Abba, the kind father of the New Testament. Marcion eliminated the Old Testament as scriptures and, since he was anti-Semitic, kept from the New Testament only 10 letters of Paul and 2/3 of Luke’s gospel (he deleted references to Jesus’s Jewishness). Marcion’s “New Testament”, the first to be compiled, forced the mainstream Church to decide on a core canon: the four Gospels and Letters of Paul. AD 367 The earliest extant list of the books of the NT, in exactly the number and order in which we presently have them, is written by Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, in his Festal letter # 39.
      AD 382 Council of Rome (whereby Pope Damasus started the ball rolling for the defining of a universal canon for all city-churches). Listed the New Testament books in their present number and order.

      It all makes since once you realize that Jesus gave authority to Peter to head His church on earth.
      “and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it”

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 7:05pm

      @Mutiny No, you are talking oranges now–we are talking apples. There are several differences between the Dead Sea Scroll versions of 1-2 Samuel, Jeremiah, and Exodus compared to the Masoretic Text, both major differences and minor. The Dead Sea Scroll version of Jeremiah agrees most closely with the Septuagint version of the book, missing several sections and phrases that are found in the Masoretic version. And we are talking the Hebrew Bible here. What about the KJV or the other 32+ versions of the Bible? And how about the proposed Oxford Hebrew Bible?

      You say there have been no changes to the Bible in all it’s history. That is an ignorant statement.

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    • joel228
      Posted on June 14, 2012 at 5:04am

      Mutiny, I just learned something from your reply to Alex. Alex basically stated or asked you where God declared the canon of scripture to be closed. You replied with Galatians 1:8
      But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

      What I learned is that you and those like you believe that Paul said you have to teach from a book that had not even been compiled or completed. Do I have that right?
      In my naivete I used to argue point by point on how LDS doctrine matches up so well with the teachings of Paul the apostle. I‘m glad you cleared that up and that Paul wasn’t talking about doctrine but a book. So gospel means a specific (though future) compilation of books, letters, etc., but not teachings of doctrine. Thanks for helping me understand why my previous arguments fell on deaf ears and blinded eyes.

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  • Individualism
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:04pm

    This book and what is written inside raises concern on one of their followers becoming president.

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:45pm

      Hahaha….you’re such a dufus.

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:27pm

      @Individualism Ah, so you reveal that you’ve never read the book, I see. Just a blanket prejudiced remark.

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    • mcsledge
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 2:07pm

      Have you read the book. I’ve read it six or seven times. I’ve also read the Bible in its entirity two or three times. Maybe you can help me out, but the doctrines of Christ found in the Bible are in The Book of Mormon and vise versa. They together stand as two witnesses for Christ and His Gospel. They support each other; they do not contradict each other. So much for the atheist point of view.

      In fact, John the Beloved in about 90 AD acknowledged that the everlasting gospel possessed by an angel (Rev. 14:6) would be brought forth and preached throughout the world. That everlasting gospel has returned to the earth and is found in The Book of Mormon, which was brought forth by the Angel Moroni.

      I guess their is a living God who still communes with man. What do you know. The Gospel of Christ is as true today as it was when He taught it from His own lips.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 4:28pm

      @mcsledge

      So you are admitting the BOM is another gospel?

      K, then explain this.

      Galatians 1:6-8
      No Other Gospel

      6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel — 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

      So you admit its another gospel brought to you by an angel. Hmm. It cannot be more clear that God was talking to the people following the Mormon faith than this.

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    • mcsledge
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 5:02pm

      Mutiny – No, I said as John prophecied that the everlasting gospel (aka the Gospel of Jesus Christ), the same gospel written about by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and taught by Paul to the Gentiles would be re-introduced to man after a global apostacy by an angel of God after the writings of John the Beloved in about 90 AD.

      Are you suggesting that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John had their own gospels? That’s like saying Moses had his Church and Elijah had his Church and Christ had his Church.

      The Book of Mormon is Another Testament (aka Witness) of Jesus Christ. The Gospel of Jesus Christ (or Plan of Salvation if you will) are found in both The Holy Bible and The Book of Mormon. By the mouth of two or three witness shall God establish his word. Such prophecied Ezekial (i.e., stick of Judah – Bible; stick of Joseph – Book of Mormon).

      If you want to disprove The Book of Mormon, then take the challenge written by the last prophet in it.

      Moroni 10:3-5 http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/moro/10?lang=eng

      However, make sure you catch the last part of chapter 10:
      27 And I exhort you to remember these things; for the time speedily cometh that ye shall know that I lie not, for ye shall see me at the bar of God; and the Lord God will say unto you: Did I not declare my words unto you, which were written by this man, like as one crying from the dead, yea, even as one speaking out of the dust?
      29 And God shall show unto you, that that which I have written is true.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 10:41pm

      Another testament from a man who didnt know Jesus Christ. The disciples knew Jesus and walked with Jesus. There accounts of Jesus are of the same thing.

      The BOM has zero archaeological evidence that supports it and the prophets have been proven false.

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on June 14, 2012 at 3:06am

      @Mutiny Your ignorance on the Book of Mormon is like your other posts on this and other stories…

      *yawn*

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    • mcsledge
      Posted on June 14, 2012 at 2:58pm

      Mutiny – Please share your indepth evidence supporting the gibberish you are sharing.

      I would state that a tree just fell in the woods, but I’m sure you would disagree because you were not there to witness it first hand.

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  • ShyMan
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 10:15am

    Finally. They found something historical involving the book of Mormon.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 11:13am

      ROFL :) And, it’s Valuable to someone :)

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    • sccerulz10
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 11:25am

      That’s funny, I hear the same thing from Atheists about the Bible. If you truly cared about finding out for yourself instead of just following what others tell you you are definitely invited to read it yourself and pray to find out if it’s true or not. So sad that you care so much about trying to destroy what someone else believes instead of just living your life in accordance to Christ’s example. But we ALL have our faults and I don‘t look down on you for yours as I would hope you wouldn’t look down on me for mine.

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:53pm

      Shyman’s not so shy on this topic, is he?

      (1) I love how professed Christians ridicule scientists for trying to disprove their faith and scriptures with the argument of evidence, crying that God and faith cannot be proven away using man’s limited understanding….and yet they ironically use the same argument (supposedly) when it comes to the Book of Mormon. How rich.

      (2) Although so-called “evidence” has never, and will never, be grounds for one’s faith, there IS plenty of evidence to support the Book of Mormon’s authenticity, be it Middle Eastern locations, village names, geography, etc that back Lehi’s account, or whether it be North American artifacts, Indian (Algonquin) history and tradition, DNA evidence, etc. found on this side of the Atlantic.

      Point: People will always look for things to support their paradigm and preference. The truth exists and does not change. You can find it if you look. And I’d be cautious to base your faith and core beliefs off science….we’ve seen from history that it changes like the wind.

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 2:08pm

      @LetUsReason Good points!

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  • Vickie Dhaene
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 9:55am

    So sad that someone thought it was ok to steal from a gentle and kind old woman of something precious, being the friendship she thought she had with this person. Pray for us sinners now and ….

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  • TiredofSittingontheCouch
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:46am

    They should take that book and compare the verses to the current edition and see just how many corrections and changes have been made in the last 170 plus years. Remember this book was written in English, not Hebrew or Greek. If this was indeed the Word of God, there should be no mistakes or corrections made from the original book right? Since 1830 to the present there has been over 3,000 changes made to the book of Mormon. The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in 1947 -1956. Every book in the Old Testament except for Esther were discovered. Over 870 scrolls were found dating between 200 B.C. to 68 A.D. The earliest Masoretic Text (Old Testament) we had prior to the DSS was written about 980 A.D. The DSS of Isaiah filled a 500 year gap from the original manuscript and a 1700 year gap in the Masoretic Text. The accuracy rate between the two copies were 95% with 5% being the sip of the pen or spelling error with no change in meaning. The integrity of the text has not changed for over 2,000 years. That cannot be said about the book of Mormon. In fact when it went to press the printer asked Joseph Smith if he wanted to make any changes after he noticed some dramatic spelling and other grammatical errors. Joseph Smith said no, that what is written is written by God, that this is the perfect translation. Now 170 years and 3,913 changes later, Mormons claim they have the perfect translation of the true Word of God. Interesting to see what happens in another 100 years.

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    • Nasado
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 9:20am

      You are absolutly correct that there are many correction from the original printing of the Book of Mormon. Yet, you failed to mention that these corrections are grammatical, spelling, exc.. and the doctrine that is taught has not been corrected and changded. Just like the Bible, how many translations are there currently? I know I have six currently on my bookshelf and that is but a fraction of them. They each have things written differently so does that mean that they are incorrect? They retranslated it to change or simplify passeges and teachings that are in the Bible yet they are all correct are they not? That is because the doctrines that are taught are not changed. Some with the Book of Mormon.

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    • Eugene1
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 9:26am

      Was this an article inviting you to defame a religion? I think not. Anyone who wants to put down a religion when the article is simply about a stolen antique is out to cause problems. And your facts are questionable and easily debunked. When you seek to destroy something precious in others’ eyes, you have simply devalued yourself. Mormons seek to follow the Christian way, but your attack shows that you have chosen a different route.

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    • Machtyn
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 9:33am

      “there should be no mistakes or corrections made from the original book right?”

      Wrong. The book was originally written in a modified Hebrew, translated to English, and printed by hand with a copy editor. Mistakes were obviously made in those first editions. Joseph Smith, when he received his first copy immediately upon reading through it made marks for corrections.

      You don‘t have to believe it if you don’t want to do so. Besides, your defense of the Bible’s authenticity is interesting. Particularly because it has been translated, copied, and modified throughout the ages. Besides, which version do you want? The King James Version, the New King James Version, the American Standard Version, the International Standard Version, versions where the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit references are removed, etc, etc. A simple reading through the Bible will show contradictions – even in the same chapters in the New Testament, within 3 verses.

      Do I believe the Bible to be the Word of God? Absolutely. Do I believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God? Absolutely. As it is written in the Book of Mormon, if there be mistakes in the book, it is the mistake of Man. This applies to the Bible as well. All three books, the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Book of Mormon all have one purpose – to bring mankind to God so that they may know the truth and be redeemed. All three stand as witnesses that Jesus is the Christ, our Savior and Redeemer.

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    • TiredofSittingontheCouch
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 9:51am

      You are comparing Old English translation from Hebrew and Greek to Modern English. I agree we have several English “translations” from the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. I am arguing that the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Masoretic Text, both written in Hebrew had a 95% accuracy rate with NO changes in wording or major spelling in over 1700 years. The book of Mormon written in English should therefore be copied from English to English with no change in translation. Joseph Smith said himself that he received every word and every letter “exactly” as it was given to him by the golden plates. Joseph Smith claimed that every “Reformed Egyptian” word inscribed on the golden plates miraculously changed into English as he looked at it through his special lenses (Seer stones) and he verbally said the word and it was written down by one of his trusted colleagues. Moses “heard” and “wrote” every word and every letter given to him by God, and likewise the other prophets and writers of the Bible claim to have done the same. Their words never changed. God’s Word never changes.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 10:56am

      @TIREDOFSITTINGONTHECOUCH

      You are wrong on so many levels, it’s difficult to know where to start!

      The Book of Mormon never claimed to be a replacement for the Bible. It is another testament that Jesus is the Christ.

      The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls actually gives credence to Joseph Smith, Jr’s claim. People said it was ridiculous to find something written on metallic plates that was buried for the purpose of preservation.

      You may want to provide sources for your quotes regarding the printing process. I might be able to better dispute your comments, but it is impossible to argue with someone who makes things up.

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    • ReaganBaby
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 11:48am

      The corrections are not secret, they are grammatical errors i.e spelling commas verse numbers etc. not doctrinal changes, but you don’t care about that, you are just trying to discredit a book that is so special to millions of people and one that has changed my life by bringing me closer to God.

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    • TiredofSittingontheCouch
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:04pm

      @BROTHER_ED

      Here is your starting point…prove it wrong. Written by former LDS members.

      http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changecontents.htm

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:07pm

      The best part is Mormons argue that the Bible is only correct when it is translated correctly. They wont even look at the huge changes in their own book made in less than 200 years, the lack of physical evidence, or the contradictions of their prophets words to the Bible.

      Jesus himself gave us this warning, in Mark 13:5-6, 21-23:

      5 Jesus said to them:”Watch out that no one deceives you. 6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many… 21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect – if that were possible. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.”

      Yes yes I am bigot blah blah blah.

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    • TiredofSittingontheCouch
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:11pm

      Here is one of my sources. Written by former LDS members.

      http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changecontents.htm

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    • daxawyes
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:15pm

      Why don’t you give us an example? When he said “most correct book” he was speaking of the doctrine in each sentence and paragraph. The corrections you mention are more punctuation errors. Why don‘t you spend more time on correcting all that’s wrong with you genius?

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:49pm

      @TIREDOFSITTINGONTHECOUCH

      Thanks for the link, I’ll look into it.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:53pm

      @MUTINY

      Excellent quote.

      Could it be that this reference is to warn against the mega-churches, tv evangelists and many non-denominal churches that are so prevelant today?

      It does, after all, mention that there ‘will be many’.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:02pm

      @DAX

      Some people feel the need to rely on the testimony of ex-members rather than asking God for themselves.

      James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all men liberally, and upbraid with not; and it shall be given him.

      Better men then he and his sources have tried to discredit Joseph Smith, Jr and to prove the Book of Mormon as the work of a forger. They have failed.

      I suggest Hugh Nibley’s book “The Prophetic Book of Mormon”. Actually, any of his works are worth reading.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:32pm

      @brother

      I agree the mega churches, tv, and all of that garbage I am certain a good bit of of it is the work of Satan.

      I would be very weary of using any book brought to a man by an angel.
      Galatians 1:8
      But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

      Mormons should step back and look at that very closely. To me, that is God warning us about Mormons. Yes you will say “but its the same gospel” but it really isnt. There are way too many differences between the beliefs of the Mormons and the followers of only the Bible.

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:43pm

      @tired You are incorrect. The number of corrections from all editions number around 100,000! All minor. You give a link to disgruntled, FORMER members of the church–people with an axe to grind. Why do people like yourself rely on unreliable sources for information? That’s like finding out about Ford trucks from a Chevy dealer. Makes no sense. Here’s a link for you that addresses all these minor changes:

      http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Textual_changes

      Like others have said, mortal men were in charge of the translating and printing and several things can happen in the process.

      Have you ever served as an interpreter for someone or listened to an interpreter? If you had, you would know that there are many ways in which one could go from one language to another and not significantly change the intended meaning. Some are more clear in meaning than others.

      Have you ever printed anything? Shoot, just drafting a research paper or even just a simple book or CD review can generate minor mistakes.

      You seem to be hung up on this thing that since Joseph Smith said it was the most perfect book (he meant in regard to content) that since it contains “flaws” that were fixed that proves that it isn’t true. Well, that’s illogic, as Christ Himself chose men, like Peter for instance, who had flaws and exhibited flaws. How about Moses taking credit for the water coming out of the split rock? Men have flaws. God‘s work doesn’t.

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    • mcsledge
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 2:11pm

      Mutiny – He also mentioned there would be false prophets and gave a test whereby one could discern a false prophet from a true prophet. What? There would be true prophets in the last day? Yes, Christ prophecied just that.

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    • RockofLove
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 4:29pm

      @NASADO Incorrect. I was a member for over 23 years ,There are many changes to the BOM , as I have a few old copies from the 1920′s. 2 Nephi 30:6 would be one that is not “GRAMATICAL”. Also in side the Cover of one of my copies is the original Articals of Faith , Now currently the D&C. Many , Many changes here, as the original states that God the Father was a personage of Spirit , and as you suppose now God has a body of Flesh and Bones. Even the old copies of the BOM say that God the Father is Spirit. So many contradictions. Don’t even get me started on the Book of Abraham. The Four sons of Hor , or the sex God Min.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 4:43pm

      @mcsledge

      1 John 4:1
      Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

      You are correct there is a test in the Bible to tell if a person is a false prophet.

      Deuteronomy 18:20-22
      20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”

      21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.

      I wonder how Joseph Smith did on the test? Well he failed. Just a little research and they are easy to find. God doesnt make mistakes. Humans being used by Satan do.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 9:13pm

      @MUTINY

      I accept you answer and understand that your interpretation of the scriptures tells you to beware of impostors. I’m fine with that.

      I don‘t accept your assumption that ’Mormons should step back and look at that very closely.’

      I have, and all the other Latter Day Saints I know have.

      It’s fine that you disagree with us, but to always slam us is another story. People that are trying to “save the Mormons” often turn to a “you guys are wrong” argument. Tell me why you are right, and we can talk.

      Example: You could say, “I believe you have to believe in Jesus to be saved.” Then I would say, “Me, too!” Then we can get along better.

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    • Sully9378
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 11:08pm

      @BrotherEd

      You can not say just hav faith in Jesus when your jesus and my Jesus are two deferent people. My Jesus is God made into flesh not some farsical angelic being who made a deal with A god to see if “my way of salvation is better”. We can argue facts all day long but the trueth will be revealed in the second coming. Untill then I will pray for the salvation of the lost.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on June 14, 2012 at 12:48am

      @SULLY9378

      I reply only to let you know that I read your comment.

      Other than that, no reply.

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  • skimmer57
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:40am

    Just crawled out of my bunker to read about this excellent find. I am sure there are Mormons across the country who are dancing in their magic undies. Does this rate right up there with the dead sea scrolls? Enough already! Lets all get outside and get our lemonade and cookie stands ready like Glenn told us to do and then back to the bunker and patiently wait for the caliphate.

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    • daxawyes
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:21pm

      Skimmer57 why do you waste your time here reading what the blaze has to offer. You are obviously a true MSNBC media matters fan. Go chum it up with all the other fools. Speaking of the Bible you remind me of every non believer who fell to his knees in shame for his unbelief.

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:58pm

      Great, Skimmer. You make such a fine addition to this forum. You’re free to crawl back to your bunker now.

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    • skimmer57
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:57pm

      Let us reason– Wow 8 post regarding the book! Got your magic undies in a knot? Settle down time is short just look forward to the second coming in Independence Mo. Also Reason could you fill me in on “The White Horse” prophesy and just a little bit about the planet Kolob! Thanks I am just an ignorant Bible taught Christian who yearns for the wisdom of that great prophet Joe Smith!

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 2:11pm

      @LetUsReason LOL!

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 3:05pm

      @ SKIMMER

      I’m more surprised that you felt the need and took the time to click on my username, count the number of posts to this article, and then publicly share with everyone here that you’re a nutcase….than I am that I actually made 8 posts (and counting). I also find it disturbing that you think you know so much about my underwear and feel it worthy to be a topic of discussion. I thought you had a bunker to get back to? You have already demonstrated that you have nothing meaningful or worthwhile to contribute. You’d fit it well over at HuffPo.

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    • skimmer57
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 3:45pm

      Let us reason– I am going back to my bunker soon but I’m selling tons of lemonade and cookies. I suggest you do the same. Re: that undie thing. I’m baffled that if you know Christ and how hard he taught against the pharisees and the “Law” that you find it acceptable to conform to such rituals. The gift of salvation is free if you believe and I find it amusing that Mormons have in a sense gone back in time with these practices that have none, zero, zip to do with the true Bible.Moroni baloney pick up a bible and read. Good luck with that crotch itch.

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on June 14, 2012 at 3:17am

      Hey, Skimmer–you seem to be a strong believer in the Bible. Can you please give us all some scriptural references as to where Christ talked insultingly to people like you just did to LetUsReason? Or maybe I’m interpreting incorrectly as I was under the impression that you are one of those who claim to be a Christian, which moniker means to be a follower of Christ (like we are) and a follower of His teachings. Did Christ talk to people the way you do? Did he mock? I know He was the victim of much mocking, but did He mock like you just did? Was Christ disrespectful of others?

      You know, I don’t get it. You make references to the lemonade thing, which puts us on the same political side. So why can’t you be friends and have a friendly discourse? You do believe in the Bible, don’t you? We do. It’s part of our canon.

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    • skimmer57
      Posted on June 14, 2012 at 8:24am

      Kenszen–Did you just call Harry Reid vermin and another poster a dolt? Be nice! To follow anything but the true Bible is wrong period.

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on June 15, 2012 at 2:13am

      @Skimmer So what’s your point?

      Harry Reid is vermin. Actually, he’s worse, “vermin” is being very nice. I don’t know who I called a “dolt,” but that wasn’t meant as a subjective insult, but as an objective fact.

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  • Locked
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:40am

    I would think the first edition would be on golden plates, no? Would this not be second edition?

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:48am

      You beat me to it.

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    • loriann12
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 9:15am

      Maybe it tells where the golden plates are? Besides an angel took them back to heaven after Smith read them.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 10:59am

      @LORIANN12

      You forgot to mention – and after 11 other people saw them. Most of those witnesses left the church, some came back, some left for good, but none of them denied seeing the gold plates.

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:08pm

      @ LOCKED

      I generally like your posts, which is why I‘m surprised that you’ve chosen to so willingly and recklessly display your ignorance on this topic.

      How would an original Book of Mormon be on gold plates? It was not called “The Book of Mormon” when it was on gold plates. It was merely a record of accounts from various authors (one of which was Mormon) that was compiled by Mormon. The book was called the Book of Mormon following its translation onto paper. Does that help explain why the original Book of Mormon is not on gold plates, but rather a book that was translated onto paper? Ahhh, facts are great. They make my head feel happy.

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    • mcsledge
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 2:16pm

      brother_ed – And 3 of the 11 men also saw the Angel Moroni who showed them the plates first hand.

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  • zurie
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:19am

    Wow there are a lot of ignorant people here this morning.

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  • idahobug
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:19am

    I am glad she got her Book of Mormon back. I wouldn’t want to have stolen a book and had it on my conscience. The devil tempted him and the devil won. Sad.

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  • RightPolitically
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:07am

    Trust but verify.

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  • Eugene1
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:05am

    Whether or not you believe in Mormonism doesn’t matter, the book is still a valuable historical piece of American history. Please don’t let this blog devolve into a discussion of putting down this religion that has over 14 million believers.

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    • qpwillie
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:40am

      @Eugene1
      That’s the whole thing. This article is about a stolen antique. It’s not about a religion.

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    • Machtyn
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 9:35am

      Thank you for putting it into perspective. Unfortunately, your exhortation may be in vain.

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  • jackact
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:05am

    ….Just in time for president Romney’s 1st term!
    :)

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:11pm

      Nice try. Aren’t you missing Wasserman-Schultz on MSNBC or something?

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  • jsciai
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 7:53am

    Interesting article for those who believe in the Book of Mormon. But, I find it interesting the first posted had a negative/anti Mormon slant. Many more to follow, I’m sure.

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    • qpwillie
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:06am

      Correction! The first post was mine and I didn’t say anything about Mormons. I don’t believe the way the Mormons believe but all the Mormons I know are good, decent people. They’re always quick to help somebody in need whether or not the person/people in need is Mormon.

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:20pm

      Thanks QP and others. We talk so much about how divisive the president is and about how “a house divided cannot stand,” and yet so many here are quick to grip their crucifix or Bible in one hand and slap you in the face with the other. I‘m glad their are reasonable people that understand we’re not always going to agree on history, politics, or points of doctrine, but we can still live in harmony. Not sure why any article that comes out about Mormons has to invoke such contempt.

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  • Nemo13
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 7:52am

    Didn’t the Mormon leader speak to God through a hat or something? Isn’t Mormon kinda an early Scientology? Haha… How many versions of religion are in the USA anyway? Do people still dance around with snakes? These questions are important at 8AM… hahaha…

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    • grudgywoof
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:12am

      ha ha ha…….hey why am I in hell ………..the future for Nemo if he dosn’t repent.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 11:02am

      @NEMO13

      Nice to know you’ve thoroughly researched the subject before you commented.

      The last I heard, there are over 1,200 different denominations of the Christian religion in the U.S.

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:25pm

      Oh Nemo….I don’t know why, but you’re admitted ignorance is somewhat endearing to me. You know, Wikipedia still works even at 8am.

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  • Sicboy
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 7:45am

    Did they find Joe Smiths magic glasses inside the book too?

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    • grudgywoof
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:00am

      Maybe the seeing stones that he used to invision it. (LOL) I don’t think modern day Mormonism really reflects Joseph Smith as much as it used to. Jesus said to his deciples “ those who are not against us are for us” when they told Him others were prophicying in His name. He also said “I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward” So lets get on with Jesus’s business and not worry to much about the baubles of theological differences. It is all about Jesus and Him crucified.

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    • Sicboy
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 9:42am

      Mathew 7:21

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:27pm

      Amen, Grudgy. Sicboy has an ax to grind. Perhaps idiocy is therapeutic for him…?

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    • Sicboy
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 6:13pm

      The truth is sharper then any two edge sword or axe.. Also look at Like 11:23. If your not with me, your against me. A bit of a difference from what Grudgy wrote. Spend more time in the Bible. And less time in other books. You both might learn something.

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    • Sicboy
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 6:20pm

      Look at Luke 11:23. My bad.

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  • qpwillie
    Posted on June 13, 2012 at 7:41am

    A thief in Washington D.C.? Nah ….. Impossible.

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