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Social Security Administration Requests Massive Amounts of .357 Ammo — But Why?

Social Security Administration Requests 174,000 Rounds of .357 AmmoFirst the Department of Homeland Security ordered 450 million rounds of ammunition, then the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) submitted an order for 46,000 rounds of high powered ammo, and now Business Insider reports that the Social Security Administration is asking to purchase 174,000 rounds of .357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point bullets.

This type of ammunition is arguably one of the more powerful available. R.K. Campbell at Gun Blast describes his experience with the .357 ammo:

“I observed the effect of the .357 Magnum 125 grain JHP once over the top of my own sights. The effect was gruesome.  A solid hit that produced a severe blood flow AND dramatic effect from the rear, including lung tissue thrown perhaps three feet.”

The purchase request from SSA was discovered at FBO.gov. What the agency plans on doing with these bullets is still unclear at this point, but the move has set the internet ablaze with speculation.

Business Insider has more details on the story:

The 125 grain and JHP (jacketed rounds) are exactly the ones requested by the SSA and their offices of Inspector General and Office of Investigation.

The FBO has a link that lists all locations slated to receive the batches of bullets. Offices like Greensboro, NC are getting a mere 1,000 rounds while offices like Iselin, NJ are getting 10 times that number.

Alex Jones’ InfoWars is quick to point out that this acquisition jibes with a DHS operation in January where the agency swarmed a Leesburg, FL social security office and posted armed guards outside the doors.

Yesterday, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) said that a “clerical error” led to the National Weather Service requesting to buy 46,000 rounds of ammunition for semiautomatic pistols, the Washington Post reported.

Despite the solicitation specifically naming the National Weather Service, NWS spokesman Chris Vaccaro said the ammunition is not for the agency. Instead, he says the solicitation indicates that the ammo is to be delivered to “NMFS” or the National Marine Fisheries Service, also under the NOAA umbrella.

NOAA‘s website describes NMFS’s law enforcement function as “dedicated to enforcing laws that conserve and protect our nation’s living marine resources and their natural habitat. Our goal is to assure that the many people who enjoy these resources for recreation or rely on them for business follow the rules that will maintain the species for future generations.”

Shortly after the initial reporting of the story, NOAA spokesman Scott Smullen emailed the following statement to the Washington Post, clarifying the ammunition order is for NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement:

“Due to a clerical error in the federal business vendor process, a solicitation for ammunition and targets for the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement mistakenly identified NOAA’s National Weather Service as the requesting office. The error is being fixed and will soon appear correctly in the electronic federal bidding system. The ammunition is standard issue for many law enforcement agencies and it will be used by 63 NOAA enforcement agents in their twice annual target qualifications and training.”

The Washington Post points out that NOAA is not a stranger to odd solicitation orders. The agency previously withdrew a $5,000 solicitation for a magician to motivate employees at a leadership training seminar.

In March, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) awarded defense contractor ATK with an “Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) agreement” for .40 caliber hollow point ammunition. According to the ATK press release from earlier this year, U.S. agents are scheduled to get 450 million rounds over a five-year period.

This story has been updated for clarity.

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  • starman70
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:27pm

    Are they getting ready for the assault on their headquarters when the Social Security System totally runs out of money? Will it look like the French Revolution with vast crowds storming Washington DC and government buildings? Is the administration running scared OR are they planning something far more sinsiter like Martial Law after the election should they lose?

    I wouldn’t put anything past the Chicago Hoodlums in charge now!!!!!

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    • Mil-Dot
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:32pm

      This crap in nothing other than a psychological warfare operation against the American people. A psy-op is when one side attempts to demoralize another by leaking propaganda making it appear as though they have greater ability than they actually do. Of course it is not limited to that but that is what they are doing. Trying to scare us into thinking they can’t be beat.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:38pm

      Obama is preparing for a massive grab for power after he falls in the election; most of us have figured he would go for broke and declare either maritial law, or just up and nullify the elections once and for all as a dictator. This sounds more and more that, aside from Homeland Insecurity, he has a private army gathering (say the radicals) that will rise up to his side, along wit the unions and the Occupy movement.

      Obama will nnt go away willingly or easily, and I can all too easily see a dictatorship being prepared.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:56pm

      They will need more Ammo… if they want to Fight the Senior Citizens!

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    • armyofnibiru
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:58pm

      hey maybe their planning to shoot the hurricanes and tornados?!!!!

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    • mikem1969
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:59pm

      The obahitlerstalinmao administration is preparing for war.

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    • SREGN
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 3:06pm

      They’re afraid for their lives of the backlash from the elderly and disabled? Hollow points?

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    • Teaparty-grammy
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 3:09pm

      I think it is more likely the Communist-in-Chief is planning to declare martial law BEFORE the election after which he will declare himself our “Dear Leader for Life”. I will be very surprised if we actually get the chance to vote, since that lying Communist POS cannot POSSIBLY believe he could win an honest election. If he is not sure his friends can steal the election with their planned criminal activities at the ballot box and when the ballots are counted, then he will declare martial law and suspend the elections altogether. Does anybody REALLY believe this egomaniacal, power-mad POS is going to VOLUNTARILY allow himself to be removed from power by the Democratic voting process? I think not! NOTHING in what I have seen of him so far indicates he would allow this to happen, and I believe he would use every illegally-seized power at his disposal to prevent it.

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    • Maji
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 3:19pm

      Ever notice when the gov gets caught (the first time)they say
      “Oh clerical error”!

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 3:22pm

      Nice to see the blaze picking up on this. Now if they would just take it all the way and tell us what is really going on…I might have more respect.

      infowars.com

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    • turkey13
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 3:30pm

      I just called my local gun shop and just as I thought there was a run on all .357 ammmo. If I want to sell mine they said it is worth an extra $10.00 for a box of 50 shells. This is what happend when Obama was elected – all Ammo was on back order of and avg. of 6 months. Some of the .45ACP and 30-30 and 30.06 where on BO for a year. Of course guns were on Back Order and price went up 30% in the process.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 3:35pm

      It’s just cage rattleing just to stir things up remember their building profiles on every Blaze poster and the more info they can get on you the better they know what their up against. Hush ! Hush ! about your arsenals.

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    • Hugh Williams
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 3:45pm

      With the military purchase of large amounts of ammo some calibers of ammo has been scarce for a while. Now the government is ordering large amounts of ammo for departments not normally associated with needing ammo. I think the purpose of this is to make ammo hard to find for the average citizen. We have seen this regime do anything necessary to achieve their goals over and over again. If they can’t make gun ownership illegal then they will make it almost impossible to get ammo for your guns.

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 3:50pm

      @ARMYOBNIBIRU

      orMAYBE THEMSELFS IN THE FOOT

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 4:07pm

      Civil unrest, mass murder of the people or war.

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    • timidir
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 4:11pm

      Maybe this is why…

      http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46516

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    • charleyrocks
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 4:50pm

      Are they preparing if Obama loses? sounds and quakes like a duck. My god US citizens better take notice of this, don’t see the need it do you?

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    • muffythetuffy
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 4:57pm

      HOLLOW POINT ROUNDS VIOLATE GENEVA RULES OF WAR

      If the US Government that is already becoming a rogue government under Obama intends to use hollow point rounds against its own people in violation of international law, the American people will just have to not take prisoners. These rounds will eventually fall into the hands or Americans and will be used against Rogue Forces supporting the Obama Regime.

      The Federal Government is not purchasing these kinds of weapons for fun, they intend using them against our people because they tear human bodies to pieces when they hit. A government that plans to do this to their own people no longer has the right to govern and will be removed.

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    • Todd P
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 4:58pm

      I truly believe they are preparing for the possibility they will lose the election – and for the martial law that will follow. This should be Page 1 news everywhere – but the MSM refuses to discuss it.

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    • muffythetuffy
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 5:05pm

      Well Americans can still order and own these mush making hollow point rounds. Most body armor fabric cannot withstand several hits of these rounds in the same area, the razor sharp edges of the expanding hollow round buzz saws into the fabric weakening it. The 50 cal Minni ball used in the US Civil War did similar damage to human bodies and it did not deter Southern Armed Forces from fighting Northern Armed Forces. Obama must think he is going to fight American Girly Men.

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    • muffythetuffy
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 5:08pm

      This could indicate that the US Armed Forces refuses to purchase these high powered ammo rounds and Obama is forced to order civilian agencies to do it. Someone better tell these Democrats that they will face War Crime Charges when their Renegade Force is defeated.

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    • lel2007
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 5:25pm

      I guess we‘re lucky they’re not ordering machine-gun ammo, so far it’s just pistol ammo.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 5:33pm

      you don’t use hollow points for target practice…
      At minimum it is a waste of money (aka fraud,waste, and abuse). The other option fits the conspiracy theorists view they are preparing for war against American citizens.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 5:35pm

      Would the Democrats authorize the shooting of seniors who they consider part of the Democrat voting base?

      HeII yes. They would just import more people to replace them at the voting booth & save the cost of care & SS payments. It is a win win for Democrats.

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    • watersRpeople
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:10pm

      Maybe they have an agreement with the manufacturers to stop producing ammo if the government buys so much of it.

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    • geotico
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:10pm

      Guy go to http://www.releaseyourcollegerecords.org and pledge money to make Obama show his college records!! The more money pledge the harder it will be for him to not release them. WHAT IS HE TRYING TO HIDE??? LET find out!! 95% of pledge money goes to the Fisher House foundation if Obama releases his records.

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    • watersRpeople
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:16pm

      Or maybe they want to get rid of that ‘bred-in’ way that Americans think.

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    • LameLiberals
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:22pm

      I was thinking the same thing.

      This is a drill in preparation for people storming social security offices when their money is vastly reduced or denied each month.

      SS is an UNCONSTITUTIONAL program and should never have been inplemented.

      SOCIALISM is when you run out of other people;s money (even when the people paid into it, it was spent on Solyndra/GM/Banks, wars, Haiti, and building roads in Iraq.

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    • Bill Rowland
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:31pm

      I’m already on their, list as a white male hetrosexual christian. who is a patriot, believes in the constitution, dislikes most politicians and is a retired military MSG who owns a assault weapon and buys his ammo, for said weapon, by the case (1360 rounds per box).
      Unfortunately for them there are a lot of us out here and they don’t want to piss us off.

      OMG Nov6, 2012

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    • WakingSheep
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:18pm

      No worries, romney will fix it! He is Constitutionally sound!
      Hearing Romney talk about repealing Obamas executive orders then replacing and superseding them; makes the patriot in me want to rejoice! Your my boy BLUE!….no wait! RED?!

      I can’t believe we are playing red vs. blue still.
      Constitution + information (should) = the greatest republic the world has ever known?…. WTF?!

      I can’t wait for any ignorant, “basement dweller” or “anarchist” comments.

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    • SIGNOFTHETIMES
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:49pm

      you are correct! i believe there will be no 2012 election, rather there will be martial law declared. These communists/socialists know if they loose this much government power they will never get it back. These people are REVOLUTIONARIES. If they can’t run things their way they will destroy this country so no body can succeed. They hate everything Americans stand for.

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    • Mojoron
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:53pm

      The only problem with that scenario is that SS will have shut down long before the last check goes out.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:50pm

      http://www.infowars.com/social-security-administration-to-purchase-174-thousand-rounds-of-hollow-point-bullets/

      CLERICAL ERROR? TELL ME, SIR, what the hell were you doing dealing with the AMMO sales Dept …anyway??? THIS SOB in the WH must think we are all dumb as dirt. Watch out as he realizes that he‘s lost this election and we’re going to take his toys away…watch out for a bloody attempt against WE THE PEOPLE. IF you don’t believe Obama would do this, you ARE, INDEED, dumber than dirt.

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    • Wolf
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:44pm

      There’s a big difference between .357 Sig and .357 Magnum. Any comparison between the two is apples and tomatoes. The only similarity is color (or caliber, in this case).

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    • Wolf
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:49pm

      “…NOAA‘s website describes NMFS’s law enforcement function as “dedicated to enforcing laws that conserve and protect our nation’s living marine resources and their natural habitat. Our goal is to assure that the many people who enjoy these resources for recreation or rely on them for business follow the rules …”
      Uh-huh- ‘law enforcement’ function. Nothing like having fisheries personnel armed to the teeth to enforce fish and game laws. Or prevent people from enjoying the sport.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:47pm

      Yes Wakeup, The Blaze is reporting what we had on the Daily Paul since early this morning. Of course, The Daily Paul gets the news right in many respects and gets it sooner than The Blaze most of the time.

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    • Wolfgang the Gray
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:58pm

      Undoubtedly, this is for Obama’s civilian security force. “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

      Notice this doesn’t say to protect and defend the Constitution, but instead says to achieve national security objectives “that we’ve set”. I think other comments here about Obama planning for a power gram may well be right. It may be well time for We The People to defend ourselves against that old tyranny.

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    • Question with BOLDness
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 11:45pm

      @WAKEUPUSA2012

      “Nice to see the blaze picking up on this. Now if they would just take it all the way and tell us what is really going on…I might have more respect.”

      infowars.com

      I agree!! Let’s be honest here. Here comes the FEMA camps! NWO! Agenda 21!
      Whatever you want to call it

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    • Americanius
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 11:54pm

      This activity, militarization of domestic agencies, has been going on for years. With 9/11 it’s like it grew on steroids. Seems that most if not all agencies of the Federal government now have been granted police powers that were formerly reserved for the FBI, U.S. Marshal service and Border Patrol.
      WSJ had an article not long ago about the police powers of federal departments. Seems almost anyone can be deputized any more then have a purchasing agent buy them all kinds of neat toys so they can play Seal Team 6.
      And it’s a nice show of force when some poor schmuck is surrounded by jack boots for having an expired fishing license.

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    • FlowerBell
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 12:08am

      Let’s hope there are still enough Americans left with a “can do” attitude to take care of business when the need arrives.

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 12:15am

      @Snow,

      Like old Chief has been saying for the past two years….this man is not going anywhere. This is their time and they have said as much. “They” and “HE” are not going anywhere.

      Crisis looms on all of our horizons and even those in bed with them…they just don’t know it yet. I don’t know exactly what it will look like but I know its coming! He’s been prepping for this since he took office. Its one pen stroke here, one pen stroke there. Another War is brewing as we slumber here at home. Will this be the trigger? Econ is tipping in the balance, will this be the trigger as the collapse of the almighty dollar sends the USA into a riot fest of epic proportions.

      Its all plausible and more! Will he signal to our enemies that the USA is ready to be attacked and stand back and not respond appropriately? Could be as a Russian sub patrolled undetected for a whole month, last month with Russian bombers making incursions into Alaska airspace during the same period.

      Are these purchases of ammo merely to deplete stocks so the preppers can’t stock up as they already have been doing in record numbers. Many things to consider folks but as for me and mine, we serve the Lord and lean on him for understanding and guidance. Some of that guidance is to prep up a lil and hopefully bridge the gap between chaos and normalcy.

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    • Twobyfour
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 12:54am

      Liberal rationale: They shoot horses too.

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    • riseandshine
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 2:18am

      @Chief…..You have you’re priorities right. The Lord has always been the answer.

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    • sillyfreshness
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 2:29am

      They are getting ready for Civil War 2. They are using different departments to buy ammo so they can take it out of their individual budgets, then transfer the ammo to the military or law enforcement. They have a plan for something bad to happen.

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    • jcldwl
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 5:22am

      This is just getting nuts. But the progressives have come to far to allow us, the U.S. Citizens to stop them by way of an election. They have too much invested and old daddy George has to see his dream come to fruition before he kicks the bucket. I thank God for Glenn and his crew for waking us up. If you aren’t prepared already you better get with it because time appears to be very short. I guess I better make a Cabela’s run this weekend because it is starting to look like I need more brass and lead.

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    • loriann12
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 6:17am

      MIL dot I hope you’re right. I fear that the Oblama administration will fix the election and are prepared for the right to revolt. I don’t think the left has enough numbers to revolt effectively if he looses.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 6:35am

      WAKINGSHEEP he isn’t a palestinian loving neolib

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    • Rick54
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 6:35am

      the Martial Law idea came to me after hearing VP Biden’s recent speeches!!!!

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    • Hollywood
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 6:41am

      AFTER the election?? I submit that they might CAUSE some event before it, IF they see Barry falling more and more in the polls re his popularity. His pop. has dropped 20 points in the last 4 months, although, by the Lame Stream Media, the avg joe would never know it. Pople are starting to pay attention to his message of racial division, jealousy, hatred,class eny etc. It is FAILING, and Axelbrain et al are panicking, As they get more desperate, expect worse, and you will not be disappointed!

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 7:34am

      @SREGN: I agree with you questioning their use of Hollow Points. Who needs to qualify with HP’s? If they are using HP’s I question their intelligence and their squandering of our money. They should be using FMJ’s for qualifying. They are either idiots or liars.

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    • midwesthippie
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:29am

      …it takes a lot of ammo to stop a hover-round…are all you blazers p@@ping your pants now?…

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    • mecanic
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 2:09pm

      people be smart and ready because it’s coming. for those of you that don‘t think it’s coming…..god help you.

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    • KIOTI-TEXAS
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 7:06pm

      I see the writing on the wall…… get ready for some action my friends……We all in the lower 48,,, need to move to Alaska..

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  • libertyandresponsibility
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:26pm

    I wonder if it’s .357 SIG ammo. A lot of departments use that round.

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    • mcullison
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:46pm

      I think you’re right. No agencies carry revolvers anymore, so why would they buy .357 Mag? Of course it IS the government.

      Also, the usual .357 Mag self defense load is 158 gr, not 125. The Hornady Critical Defense ammo I carry is only 115 gr (.357 SIG).

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    • Cry_Havoc
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 3:27pm

      Either way, who the heck uses hollow points for target qualifications? You use standard FMJ, or ball ammo for training. The only time you run a few clips of hollow points (more expensive) through your semi-auto (revolvers don’t apply for this) is to make sure your chosen self defense ammo has no reliability(feeding, and extraction) issues due to the bullets shape/profile. 46,000 rounds of hollow points for 63 agents to be used in bi-annual target qualifications? That’s 365 bullets per agent per qualification. Think those guys should get to run through 20 to 24 clips each to prove they can hit a target, and be deemed “qualified”? I’m calling Bacon Sandwich on this one.

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    • CHAOS_71
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 4:11pm

      I know I do!!!! :)

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    • cloudsofwar
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:12pm

      why are these gov agentcies ordering all this ammo. OBAMA. DHS is preparing for a TEA party uprising in 2016. thats what i heard on the news. i did not know that us grey haired Americans were such a threat. Obama WILL NOT GET ANOTHER 4 YEARS if we VOTE. Romney-Ryan 2012.

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    • Wolf
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:44am

      The article author uses the example of the blogger shooting with a .357 Magnum, then switches to .357 Sig in the next paragraph. Indicative of gun-ignorance on the writer’s part. Not that the Sig round isn’t a powerhouse, but it’s not a Magnum.
      As to the bullet weight, a 158 grain Flat Nose is a common round, but there’s a huge (OK- dozen or so) variety of bullets that can be bought in .357-38 caliber. 115 grain bullets are great small game rounds, and zippy in my rifle.

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  • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:25pm

    These were all probably internet orders. They’re just getting their last order from BulkAmmo.com and CheaperThanDirt before Obama signs the Exec. Order.

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:34pm

      Obama? Or Hillary and the UN, coming up on the 27th?

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:49pm

      @Annonymous;

      Good point I had not thought of that.

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    • grimmster
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 3:09pm

      I’m wondering if the ammo. is not ending up un the hands of say,the nbp,cair,unions etc…..

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    • Teaparty-grammy
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 3:58pm

      @ GRIMMSTER, who Posted: “I’m wondering if the ammo. is not ending up un the hands of say,the nbp,cair,unions etc…..”

      Yeah – he’s preparing to arm his “civilian security force” that is as large and well-armed as the military” (HIS WORDS, out of his OWN MOUTH!) which he has been so desperately wanting to–and probably has been creating in secret–ever since he has been in office. Despite the fact that sch a “civilian army” is TOTALLY illegal and unconstitutional. Of course being unconstitutional never stopped him before, so why would this be any different?

      Would it be redundant to point out that a Constitutional Government, with the “consent of the governed” would have no NEED of such a force? There is a reason that private gun and ammo sales are through the roof and increasing daily. Could it be because things have come to such a sorry pass that the American people FEAR AND DISTRUST their own government?

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    • muffythetuffy
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 5:17pm

      What US General would permit his troops to use these illegal bullets in a Civil War. If the Rogue Government looses , the US Generals will face War Crime Charges. Would Democrats take the blame for their orders? No US General or flag rank officer can use the defense that they were only following orders. The Nuremberg War Crimes Trial voided that defense.

      American will form a provisional government that will legally issue a declaration of war so that the Obama Rogue Government in Washington would face condemnation from the World for violation of International Law. Wait till the foreign press shows videos of elderly Americans torn to pieces like hamburger by these hollow point rounds.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 5:53pm

      Muffy-
      There are no rules in war, particularly if the war is a government against their people. The world will not give a rats patooty about what happens to Americans. They don’t like us. They don’t like our freedoms or our success. They want the US to flounder and disappear. Obama will be able to rely on his **** generals and panty waist platoons. Any oath keepers and patriots in the service will be rounded up first. The rest will do what they are told. Rather than hoping for outrage and help from beyond our borders, it is better to be prepared to shoot first and evade.

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    • Sgt_Rock
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:01pm

      @Muffythetuffy – Yes, hollow point ammo (specifically “dumb-dumb” rounds) is a violation of the Geneva Conventions, but almost every civilian law enforcement agency in the free world carries some variation of the hollow point round. Military ammo is almost exclusively jacketed “ball” meaning the projectiles are jacketed in copper. Civilian law enforcement (including non-military Federal Law Enforcement agencies) is not governed by the Geneva Conventions, thankfully. Military “ball” ammo does not mushroom, it sometimes travels through the target and strikes a secondary target, which is fine on a battlefield, but not in an urban environment where a bullet passing through the intended target may have enough energy to travel a significant distance and strike an unintended target, (7 y.o. girl on her trike, 2 blocks away, for instance). Hollow point, or “controlled expansion” rounds generally stay inside a target (bad guy) because they expand and bleed off energy because of the drag caused by the expanding projectile. The kinetic energy is transferred to the target creating what some folks refer to as “Stopping” or Knock Down” power.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:04am

      The Geneva Convention doesn’t apply to most U.S. armed forces. As I recall, we weren’t signatory to most of its protocols (at least, that‘s what I’ve been told by more than a few people). Additionally, the Geneva convention doesn’t apply to the weapons of war, only to how people are treated and the “rules of war” regarding human beings. The Hague Convention deals with the hardware aspects of war.

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  • libertyandresponsibility
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:25pm

    I wonder if it’s 357 SIG ammo. A bunch departments use that round

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    • Havok
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:28pm

      Yeah I was going to say the same thing. Glock makes a .357 sig.
      We have a couple departments up here in NH as well that use .357 sig.
      The rest use .40 S&W.
      Me, I love my .45 XDM.

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    • Sgt_Rock
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:58pm

      It was .357Sig. I believe Social Security Administration Investigators carry the P229 in .357Sig. Good round, performs well.

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  • Watermain
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:25pm

    Makes me wonder if the average citizen will be well enough supplied if things go south in a hurry.

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    • Mil-Dot
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:33pm

      Well if they do, we just find out where their supply depots are, and take their stuff. It works both ways.

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    • blackyb
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:36pm

      We will take theirs.

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    • Danang1972
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 5:25am

      Anyone think that we could be starting to look like Syria! Their government bombs, shoots & kills their own citizens. Don‘t think for one minute that Bashar won’t use his chemical/biological weapons against his own citizens when his end is near. Coming to a theater near you in the very near future. Keep your powder dry boys and girls – you ain’t seen nothing yet.

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    • GlennaBeckski
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:13am

      Off subject but just wondering if anyone has seen the new movie “Obama’s Americe 2016“ ”Love Him Hate Him … You dont really know him” Interesting timing of it’s release.

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  • HKS
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:25pm

    Maybe we are expecting an alien invasion from space.

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    • armyofnibiru
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:56pm

      seems like there is a bullet for every fema coffin out there .what are you and your army of racist commie bastards planning obamby.?

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  • HigherRoad
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:23pm

    There is a distribution spreadsheet on the following website.

    http://www.infowars.com/social-security-administration-to-purchase-174-thousand-rounds-of-hollow-point-bullets/

    I find it interesting that most of these distribution points are not in cities such as Chicago or New York where you would expect to encounter civil unrest- distribution points include Oklahoma City and Salt Lake City.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:26pm

      Keep in mind if Obama wins Social Security will be ended along with all aid.

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    • Xiccarph
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:38pm

      These distribution points are probably closer to regional FEMA camps. Gotta keep the Proletariat inside those fences!…one way or the other…

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    • elderbat
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 3:54pm

      Used to be some sort of munitions storage facility years ago at Tooele, Utah…wonder if anything is still there?

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    • one.dakine.howlie
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 4:52pm

      Oklahoma City and Salt Lake City are strategic command points inside the country during times of war. They also hold some of the largest weapons depots created during WWII. They’re planning on an exodus to the interior of the U.S. of both security forces and civilians. The question is, Why?

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  • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:23pm

    I don’t get all the pistol ammo. If they were ordering millions of rounds of 5.56 or .308 then I think we should be ready for tanks rolling through the streets. But pistol ammo? Heck, .357 ammo? I hope that when they come to round up the Tea Party that they are carrying 357‘s and 40’s. Those are not “martial law” loadouts. You send a bunch of government flunkies out to quell an insurrection (their word from the battleplan scenario…not mine) and your going to have a bunch of dead flunkies with .308, 5.56, and 7.62 and 30-06 holes in them and full magazines.

    It just doesn’t make sense. I don‘t know what they’re up to, but it seems pretty screwy.

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    • Mil-Dot
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:36pm

      It is a psy-op. A propaganda machination. Probably a complete lie designed to demoralize the American people into thinking that there is no use in resisting them. They are evil. Plain and simple.

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    • HigherRoad
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:46pm

      I am told these bullets will penetrate walls (or doors). This implies they are not just planning on defensive measures. It looks like a search and seize mission as well.

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    • gunpakngopr
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:56pm

      The reason for Piston cal, Ammo is the day after Obama looses the election, All the handguns the cops took away from Pooky will magically appear with ammo cause whity “stole the election”

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    • All Pro
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 3:05pm

      They did. The P.O. is at prisonplanet. They ordered thousands of rounds of 5.56 and 7.62 Nato FMJs.

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    • Teaparty-grammy
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 3:31pm

      Easy – while Obama and Co. are screaming – “Look! Ryan wants to throw granny off the cliff!” They are quietly preparing to blow Granny away. How ELSE do you think that lying POS is going to get the money to pay for Obamacare? He’ll give the guns and ammo to the SEIU, New Black Panthers and all his other POS pals, then put a bounty on anybody over the age of 62 who might possibly have a claim on Social Security benefits.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 5:57pm

      They did order 5,56 ammo. That was earlier in the year.

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    • Teaparty-grammy
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 12:32am

      @ HIGHERROAD who Posted : “I am told these bullets will penetrate walls (or doors). This implies they are not just planning on defensive measures. It looks like a search and seize mission as well.”

      Maybe preparing for the great privately-owned gun round-up and seizure after they sign that filthy Agenda 21 agreement with the UN? If so, we are well within our rights to offer ARMED RESISTANCE, because signing such an agreement is ILLEGAL by the Constitution, which says NO treaty or agreement with a foreign nation or nations can supercede any clause of the Constitution, which this one does–it attempts to override the Second Amendment, which is CLEARLY illegal. The Constitution also says any such treaty or agreement must be ratified by Congress–when was the last time the Great Eared One bothered with that little legal nicety?

      We are not obligated to obey the dictates of a lawless government that seeks to override the law of the land, which is the Constitution.

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  • Teufel Hunden
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:23pm

    These groups know what will happen if Obama is re-elected. They’re just stocking up while there is still ammo to be had. When the Indians begin stocking up firewood, you know it will be a cold, cold winter.

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  • SCREW-WINDOWS
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:21pm

    Maybe it’s for a alternative payment plan.

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  • The-Monk
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:21pm

    Gives new meaning to Obama’s “Fired up, ready to go” slogan which he just said at the closing of his live speech in Iowa.

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    • woodyb
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:25pm

      Matial law just around the corner — remember, in 2008, he said he would have an army better equipped than the military!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Cry_Havoc
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 3:37pm

      H!tler did the same thing. They were under his control directly, not the Wehrmacht’s, and always had the most advanced, up-to-date weaponry, and equipment. They were called the Shutz Staffel (protective wing, or squadron), better know to history as the Waffen SS.

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  • Stelex
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:16pm

    Molon Labe

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  • lukeshop
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:16pm

    Probably a completion of the fast and furious contract.

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  • SquidVetOhio
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:15pm

    Who does target qualifications with .357 ammo? In the military, we used .45′s (at least in the Navy). Most cops carry GLOCK 9mm or 45′s. Something don’t add up. A .357 is usually a revolver and is not accurate far away. It’s for killing someone fairly close to you, not injuring. Maybe it’s for shooting bears? That’s about the only reason I could think Fish and Wildlife people needing them.

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    • grimmster
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 3:12pm

      Actually Squid,most cops use a .40 calibre,9 mil is too weak,and too many complaints about recoil on the .45.

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    • FireWall0400
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 11:14pm

      A .357 Sig is a semi-auto pistol round, caliber is .357, and as the name implies it was developed by Sig-Sauer. It’s meant to have similar power to a .357 Magnum (a revolver round), but work with the higher capacity of a semi-auto.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.357_SIG

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  • Detroit paperboy
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:15pm

    Ummmm cuz the money is all gone……………and they know it.

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:38pm

      Has the IRS EVER carried weapons? I thought they just audited tax returns. What do they need a weapon for? They certainly don’t let State Auditors carry weapons, or even let them on the premises.

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    • Welcome Black Carter
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 4:19pm

      “Has the IRS EVER carried weapons? I thought they just audited tax returns.”

      Yes. The IRS has a criminal division that carry every day.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 5:59pm

      IRS has their own SWAT teams.

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    • FlowerBell
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 12:05am

      I think you are absolutely right. The money is all gone. Generations of politicians have foolishly spent us into oblivion and the gravy train is at it last stop. Once the American people realize life as they knew it is over thanks to these imperious grifters there is going to be a lot of anger unleashed. I guess they want to be prepared when the bill arrives and it’s time to pay the piper.

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  • carpee
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:12pm

    bad news.

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  • QuincySmith
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:10pm

    “NOAA‘s website describes NMFS’s law enforcement function as “dedicated to enforcing laws that conserve and protect our nation’s living marine resources and their natural habitat. Our goal is to assure that the many people who enjoy these resources for recreation or rely on them for business follow the rules that will maintain the species for future generations.”” ~~~~ Now that is scary!

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    • thibx
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:34pm

      when they go to one world government, changing to one world currency. it will be done overnight and we wont know it until we need money. then if we can’t get money and go fishing, they are going to shoot us for fishing. when there are people knocking on social security doors because they held the checks, they are going to start shooting. i don’t trust none of them. something is up.

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    • ConstitunalAmerican
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 6:10pm

      This ammo will be used to force Americans into their fema camps, through the NDAA law which was passed earlier this year by many of our Republican Congress members.

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  • SCREW-WINDOWS
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:10pm

    Financial security ?

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  • justangry
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:10pm

    OK, I’m guessing we could rule out recreation, but don’t know where to go from there.

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  • mcsledge
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:08pm

    Makes one think that our government may be considering some sort of martial law.

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  • AJAYW
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:07pm

    Its going to get ugly if the POS obama thinks hes going to lose. Best keep your guard up.

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  • grimmster
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:07pm

    Sorry, but the .357 is NOT one of the “more powerful” rounds out there.obama is planning a full on assault on the America public,more specifically i believe the conservatives,tea Party people etc.Loan and load people, buy more ammo.,then hide and wait.I dont think the prez and the left quite know what they are in for……

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    • Welcome Black Carter
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 4:29pm

      The .357 “Sig” is like throwing a 9mm bullet at .357 magnum speed. It’s a bad boy. Not too far from .40 power.

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  • RightUnite
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:07pm

    Did I hear that it was an administrative error? That’s what I heard the NOAA purchase request was anyway.

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    • ConstitunalAmerican
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 6:37pm

      How do you make that kind of a clerical mistake and by separate gov offices ordering the same items.

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  • MeteoricLimbo
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:04pm

    hmmm. rimmed revolver ammo. Curious

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    • rogie
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:21pm

      The request is actually for .357 Sig not .357 mag the article is factually incorrect……

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  • Tri-ox
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:04pm

    It’s no surprise that obama is arming his troops and stocking up on ammo – how else is he going to control the population after he cancels the election and declares himself ‘Dictator for Life’? Have no doubt, obama will do whatever it takes to hold onto power.

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    • grimmster
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:10pm

      @Tri-Ox.
      I agree, but like i have said, obama has no clue what or who, hes up against.Myself, i will NOT comply, and i will NOT go quitely into the night.

      Come and take em.Drago!

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    • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 2:33pm

      This will just be their way of “Rationing” benefits.

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