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‘Real News From The Blaze’: What Is the Definition of a True Conservative?
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cmr396
Posted on February 10, 2012 at 6:04pmI really dont like being an atheist and a conservative, because for some reason conservatives are always overly religious 0__o I support having strong family values but could honestly care less about the candidates religion (unless it follows sharia-law). Religion always seems to be a main topic when it comes to the candidates though
Report Post »HAPPYRWE
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:17pmIt depends on who is defining the word, a Communist or a Constitutionalist…
Communism redefines: democracy, peace, conservative, revolution,love etc
The true Conservative, Christian, Constitutionalist is Ron Paul.
Report Post »Talks and walks, proven record, no one else comes close…..
TomFerrari
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:53pm“What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried”
- A. Lincoln
“You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.”
- A. Lincoln
“You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could do for themselves.”
- A. Lincoln
I have no words so great as these.
Report Post »- Tom Ferrari
smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 10, 2012 at 7:49amYeah, Abe was no body’s fool…I’ll give him that. The amazing thing today is despite more advancements in education and general knowledge the political figures of the past like lincoln were far superior to the nimrods we have in office today.
Report Post »Canada_Goose
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:51pmHow do identify a “real conservative” AM radio host:
1) Believes that the founding fathers did not own slaves
Report Post »2) Believes the bankers bear no responsibility for the housing crash
3) Is reassured by each new snowfall hat Climate Change is a hoax, but 50 degree weather in February mean nothing at all.
4) Believes Mr. Obama plays golf all the time and can’t speak clearly without a teleprompter
5) Can’t remember who was president immediately before Mr. Obama
6) Believes Mr. Gingrich is an entirely plausible presidential candidate and Mr. Romney has the “common touch’ with the regular folks.
Constantine Ivanov
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:49pmMay I reply?
1) “Believes that the founding fathers did not own slaves” – your own [false, unprovable] imagination
2) “Believes the bankers bear no responsibility for the housing crash” – Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac that initiated the crash were overly regulated by two rabid Dems, Barnie Frank and Chris Dodd, forcing the banks issue loans to insolvent individuals (with the goal to make them dependent on Dems to further vote for them)
3) “Is reassured by each new snowfall hat Climate Change is a hoax, but 50 degree weather in February mean nothing at all.” -
a) You, like a banal card-sharper, have replaced the initial slogan Global Warming“ with ”Climate Change.” b) No one Conservative denies that change; only a part that you intentionally, like a card-sharper, omitted is beiong denied: MAN-MADE Global Warming. Man-made global warming is al-Gore’s rubbish. Global warming is a normal cyclic process the Earth goes through every 30-40 years.
4) “Believes Mr. Obama plays golf all the time and can’t speak clearly without a teleprompter” – it’s an undeniable fact. He vacates much more than any other President. The only people who dare deny this evident, widely known fact are Dems, like you.
5) “Can’t remember who was president immediately before Mr. Obama” – wrong: we all remember that it was a America-loving President who made mistakes but was not intentionally sabotaging. His name is…guess who, remember?
To be continued…
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:51pmContinuation.
6) “Believes Mr. Gingrich is an entirely plausible presidential candidate and Mr. Romney has the “common touch’ with the regular folks”. – can you tell what exactly do you object in particular in their positions?
By the way, does the word “goose” in Canada mean also a “simpleton”?
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:40pmI would like to take one more crack at this. Here is my understanding of the pure “-isms”
Liberalism – government involvement in economic issues and no government involvement in social issues
Conservatism – no government involvement in economic issues and government involvement in social issues
Constitutionalism – no government involvment in economic issues AND no government involvement in social issues
I think that sums it up
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:20pmP_art 3.
As applied to today’s discussion, “to be a true conservative” means to be a defender/supporter and a follower of:
1. traditional family/marriage values;
2. personal fiscal responsibility;
3. self-reliance;
4. non-dependency on the government;
5. limiting the government and its dictatorship;
6. pro-life movement;
7. care of/for/about the own people over illegal immigrants;
8. education system that promotes conservative values and withstands the radical progressivism;
9. tolerance only to those innovations and unusual things that do not intend to destroy or replace the nation-wide accepted norms and moral values of life.
I may have accidentally omitted some values, but who can accuse me of being a non-Conservative, if the values I enumerated above are my values?
Report Post »Will somebody insist that I am not a real Conservative only because I am not religious?
If so, I would have to think that such an accuser is rathe a medieval obscurantist…
modilly
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 6:20pmThere seems to be confusion between what is the political domain and what is the moral domain. They are not the same. At least one of the candidates is selling that he is conservative purely by the moral domain since his political record is anything but conservative.
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:18pmLet me contribute a teaspoon of tar to this discussion.
First of all, about terminology.
Conservatism, Progressivism, Liberalism, Democrats, Republicans, Lefties, Right-wingers, etc. – all that vocabulary is nothing but wordy jugglery.
Who are more restrictive than our Liberals? They try to restict everything that they don’t like.
Does it have anything to do with Liberty?
Do Democrats (demos = masses; cratos = power) allow masses (demos) to decide/rule their own fate?
No. Look how Dems treat the real demos – Tea Party.
Left-Right is in general an [outrageous] artificial, exceptionally conventional/conditional application of notions of spatial orientation to the political/philosophical mindset.
Is that a coincidence that the word “right” means not only “right-winger”, but also RIGHT, aka correctness, rectitude, justice, fairness, truth.
As we know, “left” is something opposite: Bolsheviks loved calling themselves “Left.” Mayakovsky wrote a poem lauding the Left (it was before he was badgered to death by Commies.)
A dictionary definition of PROGRESSIVISM says that it’s “an umbrella term for a political ideology advocating or favoring social, political, and economic reform or changes through the state.”
Its vocabulary synonyms are “liberalism, reformism, modernism, radicalism, leftism,” of which we are mostly dealing with RADICALISM in its worst manifestation.
To be continued…
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:19pmPart 2.
But what is “progressivism” in its essence? It’s a mindset (well, you may call it “philosophy”) based on IMAGINATION, VISION, DREAM, FANCY.
It’s not a reality progressists rely upon. It’s their rejection of the actual, real life and substitution of the real life by the somebody’s (an individual or a group of individuals) “ENVISIONED” construction.
Thus, the entire society that allow progressivists dominate becomes a hostage of an imagination. And we can only pray that that imagination won’t lead to a mass murder, just like Bolsheviks’ imagination did.
Now, what does CONSERVATISM mean?
Again, its dictionary definition says that it is a “political philosophy based on a tendency to support gradual rather than abrupt change and to preserve the status quo” and/or a “an ideology that views the existing form of society as worthy of preservation.”
In its extreme form, it’s “unwillingness or slowness to accept change or new ideas.”
But in the real world, Conservatism is “a political and social philosophy that promotes the maintenance of traditional institutions.” Consequently, it supports, for the sake of stability, only most needed minimal and gradual change in society.
In other words, CONSERVATISM is a mindset (philosophy, if you will) that is based on evaluation and appreciation of the real Life or some of its manifestations, either the PAST or the NOWADAYS.
In any case, it’s a REALISTIC mindset.
What’s wrong with that?
To be cont
Report Post »mtandrews
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 12:42am@ Constantine Ivanov, I like the “cut” of your jib my friend…
Report Post »RAMJR
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:16pmI have a hard time believing any of our representation is truly Conservative. The tactics of expanding power, happens in BOTH Parties, and while the Democratic Party tips to Socialism…if not further, the Republican Party is full of Progressives…leading down the same path. Compromise is the tactic, and while Democrats will toss morality out the window, the baby and the bathwater, Conservatives are just as bad, when the compromise EVIL! For me, this screams why we need TERM LIMITS!
The only way we are going to get rid of the corruption and tactics, is to install term limits. Why this is not a voting decision that legal. law abiding citizens can implement, instead of corrupt politicians trying to gain even more power through bribes, payoffs, double standards and double talk, is beyond me. If the President is subject to term limits, because of power and thought man can corrupt themselves in our Republic, to install themselves, and their families into positions of entitlement and stature, it makes no sense to put that power in their hands in the first place.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:01pmI had always thought that conservatism was based on the “conserve” part of the word. Focusing on conserving such things as faith, family, constitution, and way of life. The only problem is that most of those are not functions of the federal government. So it seems like conservatism should be thought of as something outside the political sphere or a way of thinking – such as “pragmatism” or “idealism”.
When it comes to government and politics, a conservative might want more federal involvement here and less federal involvement there. So technically, a conservative is in the middle of the spectrum of “no government’ versus “complete government”. Because of the way things have gone the last 8 years, however, i bet more people consider conservative to mean small government
Report Post »actualconservative
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:09pmThe conservative is the only non-ideologue at the table. We don’t care what camp the idea comes from, just whether the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater. Change comes. Ideology, the opposite of thinking, doesn’t consider that very well. I think I’m agreeing with you.
Report Post »krenshau
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:32pmI thought conservative was to conserve the Constitution.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:34pm@krenshau
Report Post »If true – then they have done a terrible job of it. A pure conservative position is at odds with the constitution over gay marriage, pre-emptive and undeclared wars, and tax breaks to married families to name a few
actualconservative
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:47pm1)George Washington foreign policy….mind your own business.
Report Post »2)Benjamin Franklin domestic policy….mind your own business.
3)The people who created the Constitution in 1787 were as suspicious of government power suffiicient to threaten their liberties as they were of corporate power suffient to same. You could put together a corporation long enough to build that bridge, but once it was built, the corporation had to go away. Conservatives are about shops, not factories.
4)Every (R) in DC has the foreign policy of a certain 1917 democrat…everything is our business, do what we say or we’ll kill you. You choose, today, between the psycholefties in the Democratic Party and the Maniacallefties in the Republican Party. There are no conservatives allowed in DC.
MarketsClear
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:52amConservatism is not a political philosophy. It is a reactionary tendency to prefer the status quo. This is why we have seen the “conservative” position on issues change from time to time as politics and culture change. The question “What is the definition of a true conservative?” is not valid, because you must give a time period you are looking back toward. If you are looking back to the founders, Ron Paul is your conservative. If you‘re looking back to the 50’s and your parents/grandparents generations, then Santorum is your conservative.
Report Post »guido.cavalcanti
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:26pm@ MarketsClear You’re obviously very familiar with the Marxist/Revolutionary vocabulary.
“Conservatism is not a political philosophy. It is a reactionary tendency to prefer the status quo.”
You know what conservatism is the context of American history. It certainly ISN’T relative to a time period. But if you can keep convincing people that they’re “conservative” by gradually changing the definition in such a slight way that most won’t notice, then it’s inevitable those people will also conform their ideology to that of the current epoch, without ever really knowing it. If you continue the process over decades, or even centuries. one can imagine how the identity of “conservatism” can be completely transformed.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:33pmwow guido. it seems you are claiming marketsclear has been influencing the country… or is he just giving you a diagnosis that you do not like? seems like you accept his premise so we can agree on that
Report Post »guido.cavalcanti
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:01pm@ soybomb315 No, not accusing him of anything, I was really just stating what has already happened in this country. How do I know? Well, because progressives have written about how they would do this for well over a century now.
If this statement is the basis for conservative ideology in America;
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
how would any period of time, a period 250 years later, or a thousand years later make any of those statements false? It was either true then or wasn’t true at all, there is no “middle truth” But there aren’t many “conservative” politicians who actually, in practice, adhere to those truths, are there? I can count all of the ones who do on one hand.
Report Post »MarketsClear
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:12pm@Guido
I think you just demonstrated my point. Today’s conservatives are socialists compared to the founders. The progressive movement has kept pushing people who call themselves conservative in the direction of big government. Conservative is always a time-relative descriptor. If you adhere to the philosophy of the founders, then you are a classical liberal. If you were a Bush-style conservative, you were closer to the philosophy of corporatism and fascism. In Europe, the conservative label normally refers less to a belief in limited government, but more to preserving cultural unity. H3ll, in today’s politics, mild socialists can call themselves “conservative” because they don’t want to expand the government too much more, but they want to preserve redistributive programs like social security and medicare.
Report Post »The citizen who cares
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:19pmThe true definition of a conservative is someone who wants to turn the clock back to what his/her country used to be. If you are a conservative in America today, you want smaller government; either it be Reagen’s policy or pre-progressive era America.
If you are a conservative in Russia today, you want to turn the clock back to communism.
That’s the true definition.
Report Post »RAMJR
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:40pmRon Paul , to the founders, would be a Libertarian, where most of our founders were. The problem was many nations didn’t apply the same peaceful philosophy. The Barbary Pirates, Muslim extremists of Sharia Law, come to mind. Thomas Jefferson had a Koran, to find out just what they believed, Their ‘religion gave them no ’peace’ with America. By their standards we were ‘infidel’s‘ and there were three options under their ’religion’. We could pay them off for allowing ships with supplies to get to America, we could let them kill us…or build a navy and go to war with them, so we didn’t have to worry about them. Ron Paul says if we leaved, they would leave us alone. There ‘religion’ does not allow that.
Report Post »A true Libertarian does not have more regulations, but enforcable laws and Constitution to abide by. It calls for ‘equal justice’ and enforced restitution. One example, murderers, men, women or children, pay restitution with their lives, not 3 square meals and being able to get a law degree from a cell. Most criminals these days have more rights than retired legal citizens living in retirement homes. To me that’s just not right.
A true Libertarian abides by personal responsibility and restitution. Today that would not work, because fraud is rampant, and rewarded, these days. To get to a Libertarian government, you have to have restitution and ‘equal justice’. If we have Supreme Courts Judges state openly our Constitution isn’t worth enforcing, we are miles awa
Taldren
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:48amVirtue is not something the government can “create” by force of law. Liberty based conservatism is the only “true” (as in viable) form of conservatism.
Report Post »blackstone22
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:40amThis was one of the best episodes of Real News and this is why: There was no S E Cupp.
Report Post »That women ruins the discussions by being so over bearing and often the least informed at the table.
Watching her many times now, I feel that she is all about promoting herself and not about the quality of the discussion. She feeds into the worst stereotypes of conservatives, she practically salivates every time guns and the NRA come up. Is she sponsored by them? I’m a gun owner/hunter, but I find her schtick really off putting and a negative to the show. Without her present, panelists can actually express themselves and there is a noticeably higher level of discourse. She dumbs it down.
Second reason it was an exceptionally good show was the guest was excellent, and there was no skyping someone else into the panel. Skyping someone into the discussion does not work, it ruins the flow and often those skype guests are terrible. An occasional satellite hookup (if a guest is really outstanding) is acceptable but no skype….ever!
Andrew Klevan was clever.
It‘s also better when Scott Baker doesn’t interrupt the flow ( often on skype) with the top Blaze stories, let someone at the table do it instead.
Nice work by Amy Holmes last night along with the regulars.
Keep up the good work “Real News.”
HAPPYRWE
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:37pmDon’t like when she called Ron Paul crazy or something like it. Is Paul as crazy as her boss who informs to protect and save the Constitution then starts attacking Paul’s 100% Constitutional stance?
The silent sleeping giant majority has known all of this information long before Glenn “exposed” it, by means of Ron Paul and the John Birch Society. I don’t know why the attacks on Paul from Beck, but I stand with Ron Paul and John Birch, their history and record are long proven and time tested in the fight against Communism.
I still agree with and love Beck but he is 100% wrong on Ron Paul being one of Soros’s guys, crazy indeed! Ron Paul does everything to protect this country while Soros and the Dems and so-called “Conservatives” do everything to dismantle it……..the attack on Paul shows me that there is an agenda with “the truth”………….
Report Post »Hoosieratarian
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:56amBeing a conservative should mean first and foremost fighting for Freedoms and Liberty always. Even when its not popular or even when you may personally disagree with the choices some want the freedoms to make.
As stated we are a Republic not a Democracy and that is what makes us great. We fight for the freedoms of everyone, even those in the minority.
Social issues should all be left out of the federal government if you truly support freedom. I’m pretty socially conservative but I would never dream of legislating through the federal gov. my personal views onto others. I’d rather convince the people around me by the way I live. Because once the infrastructure is in place to legislate social values it can be and will be turned against you like it has already been on so many issues.
Report Post »Mitchm999
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:52amNow there is a joke….real news from the blaze.
Report Post »blackstone22
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:11pmgo crawl back under your rock, loser.
Report Post »goodwater
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:50amWhat is a Conservative? Simply: one who adheres to a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage). In other words adhering to the rule book – the U. S. Constitution.
Report Post »MarketsClear
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:58am“political philosophy based on tradition”
appeal to tradition is a logical fallacy. You can’t have a coherent philosophy based on a logical fallacy. This is my big problem with conservatives. When answering the question “when is the use of violence legitimate” they don’t use a logical framework. They use emotionalism, appeal to authority, and appeal to tradition.
Report Post »HAPPYRWE
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:41pmCommunism is Progressivism and it has control of the Democrats/Liberals and most of the Republicans/Conservatives. This clever infiltration has this nation confused, undecided, manipulated and controlled…………
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:08pmMarketsclear and HappyRWe,
I’ve been on the verge of giving up on The Blaze for good because so many of the comments are inane, childish, and disingenuous garbage. The only reason I keep coming back is that in opposition to the garbage posters, there are the posters like yourselves, who are clearly intelligent, mature, and honest. Both of you have impressed me greatly with your recent posts.
Report Post »jmsdysart
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:44amConservative: pro-liberty, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Christ, pro-free markets, anti-war, anti-organized crime
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:52amI think candidates‘ voting records speak much more loudly when deciding who is and who isn’t conservative. Candidates should be measured according to the Constitution. When a candidate votes for anti-Constitutional issues such as federal education, free healthcare, etc — it’s obvious who is NOT conservative. The real problem in America today, is that the people want “mob rule” instead of a republic. No matter how many vote to pass an unConstitutional issue — it’s still unconstitutional!
If a majority of us vote on something — that doesn’t make it RIGHT! (like NDAA and the antiPatriot Act)
Democracy (mob rule is dangerous) — the REPUBLIC is America’s only hope
Report Post »justafollower
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:02amThese people think that a true conservative is someone that will drive up gov’t and consumer debt, while cutting taxes… like REGAN did. shm.. conservatives are by all definitions moderate liberals, with biblical morals. That‘s why I don’t fly that flag anymore.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:59amYes. LGBT Conservatives are fake conservatives because they don’t hold family values, and Atheist Conservatives are fake conservatives because they … don’t thank god enough.
This guy’s a little screwy.
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:51am“[atheists] don’t thank God enough.” – hmmmmm.
God is almighty, right? Don’t we say “God the Almighty”?
What does “almighty” mean? Omnipotent, all-powerful, able to do anything and everything. Am I right so far?
Those who believe in God, love God, and fear God are protected by God, right? Or wrong?
If wrong, then what is the purpose of believing in God, of loving God and of fearing God?
So, let’s assume the God protects those who believe in Him, love Him and fear Him.
Bolsheviks (aka Communists) in Russia have murdered several dozens of Millions (up to 50 MLN) of citizens of Russia who mostly and traditionally believed in God, loved God and feared God. My uncle, a Russian priest, was one of those murdered (now he is canonized as a New Martyr Cyprian.)
The Lord our God did NOTHING to stop Bolsheviks and/or prevent from their monstrous inhuman crime that largely exceeds the heinous crime committed by Nazis during the WWII.
So, tell me what should I thank God for?
The Lord our God did NOTHING to protect innocent Russians, Jews and others who believed in Him, loved Him and feared Him. Why?
I’ll tell you why:
We the People tend to assign the tasks to the Lord our God that were NEVER in His ‘to-do-list’.
It’s WE who want Him to do something for us.
And since WE WANT, we are firmly convinced that He MUST.
What an impudent narcissism: I want, therefore God MUST. Wow!
I am a very Conservative atheist. I do believe there is a Highest Power t
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 3:28pmGuess I’m not the only one incapable of reliably reading sarcasm over the internet.
Report Post »mr molotov cocktail
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:55pmthere is no such thing as private property it all comes from government….
Report Post »it is leased… you dont take anything to the heaven or hell or anywhere else!
conservatism is how much i can get away with screwing someone without breaking the law Government as a institution is socialism so is the Rule of law~
conservatism doesnt work for one reason without liberalism the force behind innovation and creation..we would still be living in huts poking each other with sticks~! thats “conservatism”not to change
to conserve is to stay the same to be liberal is to change ~
there is only one constant in the universe and thats change
conservatism does not work it has never worked because of CHANGE
conservatism is staying the same
liberalism is growing changing and learning
that is why kids are liberal and the older you become the more conservative you become because you’ve lost the ability to learn
Buck Shane
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:52amThe actual question should be: “What is government for?
Report Post »We need government to protect you from me, me from you, and us from everybody else. I do not need government to protect me from me. I do not need government to make families – get the hell out of the way and we’ll do it ourselves.
The least government is the best government.
I guess that makes me not a conservative.
enfuego
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:24amThis show is why I am an excited subscriber to GBTV. ‘Real News’ by itself is worth adding a GBTV subscription into my monthly budget. I don‘t know of another show that doesn’t “dumb down” the conversations on pivotal topics. I appreciate their conscience efforts to retain highest levels of excellence that I don’t see on other shows.
Report Post »READRIGHTHERE
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:28amI find it interesting that we tend to focus on issues that will not greatly change no matter who is president instead of focusing on the issue of our train wreck economy and the decimation of our economic freedom. I want fiscal conservative values first, Military second, and Social third.
Report Post »Roo-Dee
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:11amFrothy Santorum is big government George W. Bush, Grumpy Gingrich is a real politic wilsonian and Mittens is a hollow Republican version of Obama. I‘m sorry but the choice is clear and it’s getting close to irritating in how the coverage for Ron Paul is so dismissive from the get go. Kudos to Will for tying the issues that truly matter into the discussion so well.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:37amWhen given the opportunity to define what a conservative is, it took laconte exactly 17 seconds to indicate that ron paul is not a conservative. when you look at exit polling in these primaries, ron paul usually wins when the questions “who is the most conservative” is asked. in this discussion, a couple people said that we cant have small government until the morality is fixed. If that is the case, everyone better pack their bags because either it will never happen, or the government will start legislating morality…..
If conservatives want to have social issues at the forefront, they must understand that ecoonomic and personal liberty will be moved to the backburner. Someone needs to tell them that every social issue for conservatives should be handled at the state level since they are CLEARLY not included in the constitution. republicans are ravenous, if thomas jefferson himself walked onto the political stage – republicans would tear him apart. kinda reminds me of a story in the new testament.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:02amRP seems to be the ONLY conservative left in America. We all should bow down to the one. If you dolts want a following then tell what your Perfect candidate stands for and stop insulting, demeaning others, except for BARRY. RPers have picked up Saul’s book and have now become nothing better than DEMOCRATS.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:50am@13th
Who said anything about paul being perfect and what is so insulting/demeaning about what we said? This article is about conservatism so i dont know why you want us to explain everything ron paul has ever said. Maybe you would rather never think about what conservatism really means and how can it be improved.
You are sadly mistaken. RP does not want a following – he wants america to embrace an idea (SMALL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT). If there is another candidate who wants to shrink government, tell me who it is. Its 2012, there a socialist is in the white house, the entire federal government is poised to take complete control of the economy…and the main issue is personal morality?
Instead of casting us into your preconceived notion of what a ron paul supporter is – you should tell us where we are wrong.
Report Post »CptStubbing
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:49amRoo-dee called Santorum “Frothy.” Which upsets some of us. That you feel the need to take to liberal name calling shows us you aren’t conservative. Rick Santorum is right about the breakdown of the American family, we feel like he is going about it the wrong way.
Report Post »I live in a community where 85% of the children in our city do not have a father living in their house. 85%. Santorum focuses these problems, but somehow feels like legislation or imposing his morality on people will fix this problem.
The reason Paul wants to end entitlements and end the drug wars is to bring families back together. Many of the kids in my neighborhood have their father in prison for some drug related crime, usually dealing (even though it was most likely just possession). Their father won’t marry their mom because the government gives the mom money as long as she isn’t married and she has more kids. So kids grow up without dads, are dependent on the government, and look up to drug dealers because they are the only role models they have.
Ending entitlements will cause these families to have to work together and require a stronger family unit to survive. Ending the drug wars will put these drug dealers out of business, and would help these individuals who are very intelligent and very business savvy to enter into the workforce and take care of their families instead of continually being locked up and tearing apart the family.
lukerw
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:14amIdiots… the answer is Benjamin Franklin!
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:55amNot Jesus?
Report Post »Mitchm999
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:54amYes, jesus was a conservative. he came to keep the status quo.
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