‘Really?’: Chris Christie ‘Shouts Down’ Occupy Protesters at Romney Rally With Anti-Obama Tirade
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On Sunday night in Exeter, it was official: There just might be no politician in America better at shouting down protesters than Chris Christie.
Turning out a crowd of hundreds at Exeter High School for a Mitt Romney rally just two days before Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary, the New Jersey governor drowned out a pack of Occupy Wall Street protesters who piped up at various points with chants of “Mitt kills jobs” and “Christie kills jobs.”
“Oh really,” Christie replied in acid tones when protesters began the chant. He pivoted to an attack on President Obama, accusing him of dividing the country and fueling the anger of young people like those being shouted down by Romney’s supporters.
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“Really?” said Christie, as soon as protestors interrupted him, the second outburst of the night from the group, who had already gone after Romney. “You know, something may go down tonight, but it ain’t going to be jobs, sweetheart.”
“See it’s this confusion that’s out there because if she was in New Jersey like these Jersey girls out there she would know that we’ve created 60,000 new private sector jobs after Jon Corzine killed 120,000,” Christie said. “And if she wasn’t so blinded by her Barack Obama-induced anger, she’d know that American jobs are coming back when Mitt Romney is the next president of the United States, and if she wasn’t so disorientated by the loss of hope and change she’d understand that Mitt Romney is the hope for America’s future.”
Christie continued on, going further to blame the protestor’s anger on Obama.
“See, beware, this is a warning, this is a cautionary tale, be inspired by someone who has built a life that America can be proud of, not by a Chicago ward politician,” Christie said. “I doubt he is, but I hope the president’s watching. I have a message for you Mr. President. This is the type of disoriented anger your cynicism and your division is causing in our country. Bring our country together, stop dividing it, Mr. President.
“On second thought, Mr. President, if you’re up there in the family quarters of the White House, put your feet up and don’t worry about it. Mitt Romney’s going to bring America together,” Christie added.
As the crowd erupted, Christie continued in the forceful manner that made many Republicans wish he had entered the race.
“See, beware — this is a warning, this is a cautionary tale to be inspired by someone who has built a life that America can be proud of, not by a Chicago ward politician,” he said. “I doubt he is, but I hope the president’s watching. I have a message for you, Mr. President: This is the type of disoriented anger your cynicism and your division is causing in our country. Bring our country together — stop dividing it, Mr. President.”
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Jane Ford, a 50-year-old from New Market, who had three Romney buttons pinned to her shirt and carried campaign signs, said she was inspired by the speculation that Romney could choose Christie as his vice president. “If this country was blessed enough to have both of them,” she said. “America would be the shining city on top of the hill again.”
Her co-worker at an insurance company, Penny Haslan, 48, a registered Democrat, is also excited by the prospect. “(Christie) is the muscle, and Romney’s got more of the polish,” she said. “I’ve always voted straight ticket, but this makes me think twice.”
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THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:53amWHAT ROMNEY REALLY BELIEVES…Christians beware!
The Deity of Man. Promoted Mormons teach that man can become God, and that God was once a man:”God himself, the Father of us all, is a glorified, exalted immortal resurrected man!” (Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 322-23, 517, 643) ”…God himself was once as we are now and is an exalted man and sits enthroned in yonder heavens…” (Journal of Discourses, V6, P3, 1844) ”As man is, God once was: as God is, man may become.” (Lorenzo Snow, quoted in Milton R. Hunter, the Gospel Through the Ages, pp. 105-106)This is plain and simple heresy. Nowhere does the Bible say or imply that God was ever a man, or that man can become God! Malachi 3:6 says, “For I am the LORD, I change not…” How could this be true if God was once a man? Genesis 1:1 states that God existed “in the beginning” before man was ever created. John 4:24 states that God is a “spirit,” and Jesus tells us in John 1:18 that no man has seen God at any time. Numbers 23:19 says that “God is not a man that he should lie; neither the son of man that he should repent.” God has always been God, and no one has ever “become” God.
THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:54amOther False TeachingsThe Mormons deny the Trinity and the existence of a literal burning Hell, yet they promote polytheism (many gods), baptism for the dead, and the notion that Jesus and Satan were originally spirit brothers! Friend, make no mistake about it–Mormonism is a dangerous cult. In the eyes of man, the Mormons seem very respectable, but the light of God’s word reveals the true wolves behind the sheep clothing. Jesus said, “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” (Mat. 7:15) Don’t look at their nice families, their clean-cut hair, and their friendly “missionaries.” LOOK AT THEIR DOCTRINES! (I Tim. 4:1)
THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:57amDeity of Jesus Christ DeniedThe Deity of Jesus Christ is a fundamental doctrine of Christianity, yet the Mormons deny this truth. Exalting man to “god status” is apparently alright, but Jesus Christ is not acknowledged as the eternal Son of God in the Mormon church. The Mormon Jesus was a preexisting spirit who was exalted, just as Mormon followers hope to be exalted someday.
THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:12amI understand some of you don’t care, and I also understand that some of you blazers BELONG TO THIS CULT, My point is that if you are decieved by the devil into false doctrine and heresy, Should we allow romney to be in the highest position of Authority in our Country? Whether you’ll admit it or not Jim jones, David Koresh, Heavens gate ( nikes ), church of scientology, Rev sun yung moon followers and MORMONS are ALL CULTS…If this makes you mad to bad, Jesus made the crowds mad too!
dtcomposer
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:33amLOL. You are partially correct. I think it is funny that nobody cares enough to respond to you. I will respond just to tell you that. By now Mormons have heard it all. nothing you could ever say would influence them at all. Good luck with your own Journey. Focus on the positive things, and focus on those. God Bless!
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 6:07amMy god is all powerful and is able to bring his children up to his level through the atonement of his son Jesus Christ. If they are are obedient he promises them all that he has. Think about that,you might have some insight,an epiphany even. Becoming like our Father,what is so hard to understand about that? Hey man get off the pablum and have some meat and potatoes.
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 6:15amYou can believe you will play a harp in heaven. You can believe that those who die without even knowing about Jesus Christ on this earth are just damned forever in a burning hell by a God that supposedly loved them. You can believe that hell lasts forever, even though this life and all the wrong we did in it lasted only say, 80 years. You can believe that God is the Trinity even though the Bible says nothing about it, and Jesus teaches just the opposite. You go ahead and believe that we are mere creatures, bugs in God’s world, when Jesus taught that we are the children of God and that His Father is our Father in Heaven, making himself equal in a sense with the humans He was teaching. Go ahead and spread the antimormon hate because people can think. People can see the common sense in the doctrine, and it is easy to identify the really strange and unbiblical ideas and creeds that go against everything Jesus ever taught in His famous Sermon on the Mount. Things like being told to be perfect like Father in Heaven is perfect. Things like being taught to love your enemies, and practice the golden rule. The Beattitudes, be meek, not brash, peacemakers, not war makers. Yet we see Santorum and so many Christians who support all these wars when I am certain Jesus would have nothing to do with it. Jesus loves the Muslims too, and Jesus did not make war. He taught love enemies. Now go to that, and STOP trying to persecute the Mormons, it only hurts yourself.
Report Post »THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:25amIS GOD’S WORD IRRELEVANT? Ignoring the TRUTH doesn’t change it, A CULT WITH SHEEPS CLOTHING..IS STILL A CULT.
Report Post »TEIN
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:21amThen what happens when you become “… perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.(matt 5:48)”???
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:25amYou must assuredly hate Glenn Beck.. I tell you what, I would rather be a Mormon than a moron, who nows absolutely nothing about Mormonism.. besides whe aren’t electing a preacher, or a pastor, we are voting for a President and what his religion has to do with it?? At least he is a Godly man, unlike what is running the WH right now.. I am sick of how you people spread lies about Mormons.. God forgive you brother, or is that sister?
Montana Made
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:35amBuddy- you need some help- rapidly! Get some kind of a grip. Since I know it wasn’t the Church that hurt you- who was it? And why are you still carrying around this anger? It’s not required and not healthy.
“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Report Post »“But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” (Matt. 6:14–15.)
legaleagle
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:54amAnd this affects you how? This affects Mitt’s qualification to be president how?
No you’re right. The belief that if we are good enough on this Earth, that if we obey God’s laws, follow Christ’s example, remain honest, chaste, moral, and do good to all men, we will be rewarded in Heaven, to become like God is so dangerous and threatening that it causes people like you to make comments like that. How sad for you. You’re ridiculous.
Report Post »bicyclemilitia
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:11pmSorry guys but this is why more people become Atheists everyday! Fighting over GOD is just shameful! I love the Jesus who died on the cross because he loved me more than himself. Then I see Christians arguing over who will fry in the depths of Hades first! Looks like a self destructing Religion more every day! ☺
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:15pmBRAVO to your brave TRUE comments. Mormonism is a CULT. Sola Scriptura. Jesus WARNED us about apostasy in the Church. HE warned many would depart from the Faith,delivered to us by Him,and his apostles,in The End Times. HE told us many False Prophets would arise, teaching the doctrines of DEMONS. His warnings were to the Christian Church, not non-believers. Do NOT accpet ANY teachings that vary from Gods’ WORD-The Bible. Extra writings such as the book of mormon,pearl of great price etc.WILL lead those who read and follow them to Spritual apostasy!
Report Post »Eddie Reynolds
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:38pmWith all due respect if you’re going to attack someone for their beliefs get your facts correct. First of all without God (Jesus) becoming a man salvation would have been impossible. In order to obtain forgiveness there must be the shedding of blood for sin. Jesus offered that sacrifice of blood. You cannot nit pick Bible verses to conform to your beliefs. YOU must confrom your beliefs to the Bible. I will now give you a couple of verses that will support my position…….John 1:14 Galatians 4 4-5 1 Timothy 3 :16 Isaiah 9:6 And one final thing..where were you and critical people like you before the last election beating up OJUDAS for being a muslime. It was common knowledge before the election he was a muslime. Where were you and your like kind pronouncing that OJUDAS wasn’t a Christian ???? I am in NO WAY defending the Mormons. In my opinion they are a cult. If ANY religion does not profess that Jesus was and is God then that religion is a cult. In terms of God there is NO gray area. It is in fact black and white.God Himself said that he would rather you be hot or cold as to be lukewarm. God is NOT religion He is a relationship. We humans want to put Him in a box to suit our needs. He never said that we would be Gods, what He did say that we would become SONS of God. I already am and I’m waiting to take my place on the stage in Heaven. Lift up your eyes your redemption draws near.
Report Post »antisocial21
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:39pmSorry bro, I don’t judge man by his religion
Report Post »roberson3
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:41pm@Hollywood. “Sola Scriptura” must certainly be in the Bible? Can you point me to the verse that states ‘scripture alone”? If this is true it has to state it as such in scripture somewhere. I have never found it. Thanks.
Report Post »jaswalt
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:52pmYou know, it’s not any worse than the church that Obama attended for 20 something years. Besides, we’re not hiring him to be the preacher in chief.
Report Post »StanO360
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:59pmYou may believe that Romney‘s Mormonism doesn’t matter, or you may not hold historical Christian beliefs. But nothing Truth wrote is a lie about Mormonism, they have the right to believe what they want, but it is clearly not historical Christianity. Mormonism is far removed in doctrine and practice (church practice not social) from almost all Christian denominations.
Report Post »deerjerkydave
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:00pmYou said, “Don’t look at their nice families, their clean-cut hair, and their friendly ‘missionaries.’”
In other words you want people to ignore the fruits of Mormonism. But I thought Jesus taught the complete opposite?
Report Post »adamthekrenz
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:11pmWow, my friend filled with….. such hatred! You need to look deep, deep into your SOUL….
I am a simple Christian and have a good understanding of what the Lord taught his own Apostles….you can read it in Mark 9:36 thru 41
36 And he took a child, and set him in the midst of them: and when he had taken him in his arms, he said unto them,
Report Post »37Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.
38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
FranciscoDAnconia
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:12pmTHE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE
Ha ha you are the reason why most liberals today can’t stand religion. You spew doctrine from the bible making claims that your can’t back up. Do you really think I care if you think I am going to hell? Do you really think intelligent people fear your dark mythical assertions? Do you know what intelligent people think of you? You are a sad loner sitting in your mothers basement reading books on religion all day long thinking of your next attack line. Let me tell you some thing. I look forward to an eternity of hell ha ha. I am going to bring some sun screen and layout on satan’s beach laughing for an eternity at fools like you that are so mentally challenged. You are so ignorant in understanding the world that you use religion as your means for control, to make up for your fatuous unintelligent mind. I am waiting for the fire balls to come down right now to strike me……….its not happening. Thats right because its not going to.
Report Post »Lateris
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:31pmWho cares.
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:31pmLet me ask a simple question truth, what is the purpose of man? If what you say is true than are we really anything more than a colossal monument constructed to please God’s ego? All life in the universe reproduces, so why would God be any different?
Report Post »jimmydxyz
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:39pmTo the person who wonders if we should have a mormon in the white house, well gee, don’t we have a muslim there now? I don’t accept that mormonism is a Christian religion, it’s not. It’s a cult as previously pointed out in the posts in this comment section.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:48pmlol – I love how some people believe they actually own the copyright to Christ and Christianity.
There is no point ‘bible-bashing‘ with people like ’TheTruthShallMakeYouFree’… they are consumed by hate. Jesus Christ is not the author of such hate; these people serve another mater and don’t even know it.
They are not ready for the milk and definitely not the meat.
Basically, these people are ‘spiritually lactose-intolerant‘ and will likely be ’spiritual vegitarians’ forever.
Report Post »Cyber Geezer
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:54pmI can remember when people warned about the beliefs of JFK and how the Pope would run Washington if he were elected. I agree that any religion that denies Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father is wrong, but there are ONLY 2 religions that are dangerous (1) atheism (2) Islam. The first is self determined eternal destruction, and the second is murderous destruction of any human who dare say “their prophet” was wrong.
I won’t vote for Romney, not because of what his religious beliefs are, but because of his political belief in a NWO and unwillingness to confront a over-bearing government that believes it can make the lives of all better by restricting freedoms outlined in the constitution and the Bible.
Report Post »mustang-2537
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:05pmReally? Let’s not involve religion with politics as demonstrated in Iraq and other extremist controlled countries. All we need is a devision of Americans based on religious beliefs. The president has as his priority to strengthen America’s economy, create a base for more and better jobs and bring back America to the best country in the world. Religious strife will only kill all these dreams. It is enough to believe that America trusts in God, but who‘s God doesn’t enter the equation.
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:14pmCult (n):
1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
Well, it looks like the LDS Church really is a cult… along with every other religion. Nice try, hatemongers. If you think your beliefs are the only ones that should be expressed and followed, you’re living in the wrong country.
Report Post »WhiteFall
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:17pmA second question for the thoughtful voter is related to and flows from the first: Will the candidate subscribe, without any “mental hesitation or purpose of evasion,” to the oath to protect and defend America’s Constitution? If the answers to those closely connected questions are yes, then voters should proceed to cast their ballot on the basis of the candidate’s qualifications, platform and policy positions — not the candidate’s membership (or lack thereof) in a particular faith community.
Report Post »In fact, a number of great presidents have come to the White House without membership in any faith community. Thomas Jefferson was a Deist and was vigorously attacked for his religious views (or lack thereof). Abraham Lincoln, as a matter of conscience, refused to join any church. Yet our nation’s capital rightly dedicates two of its most stately monuments to those two men of unorthodox spiritual worldviews.
More recently, the great cultural chasm between Catholics and Protestants was politically overcome with the election of John F. Kennedy. Similarly, then-Vice President Al Gore’s choice of Sen. Joe Lieberman, a practicing Jew, as his running mate in 2000 signaled the welcoming openness of America’s democratic experience to individuals who did not share the Christian faith but were honorable statesmen of steely commitment to America’s constitutional principles.
In my own life, I have drawn great strength from my religious practices and, according to the teachings
justin.blake
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:29pm@ Truth and the other ‘mormon haters’. Do you realize how tired everyone here gets when you hijack a post about politics with anti-mormon rhetoric? Do you not realize that we have already read it somewhere else, and your self-important wisdom and groundbreaking theology is unnecessary and unneeded?
And as far as your logic regarding apostate people, your argument falls flat if you first assert that Mormons are not Christians. How can they depart from a faith you claim they never were a part of in the first place? If you look at religious history (using FACTS..not conjecture) with your apostasy argument, somewhere along the line from the apostles forward is when it had to happen.
Was it after Galerius legalized Christianity in the Post-Apostolic era? Was it when the council of Nice met (which by the way was called to order by a political ruler who saw the POLITICAL advantages in uniting under one religion)? Was it during the Great Schism? Was it Martin Luther? Anglicanism? Protestantism? I mean dude…when did it happen? Or do you just get to be the branch of Christianity that decides who is apostate and who is not? Hubris…pure hubris.
Theologically, Mormons claim to be a restoration of the original church founded by Jesus, wholly separate from Orthodox Christianity (trinitarianism). If you cannot define when and where doctrine strayed from the original Christian doctrine from the mouth of Christ, then maybe the Mormons have it right after all….
Report Post »ahberns
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 3:21pmexcept Jesus
Report Post »gwd1956nc
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 3:42pmSorry to inform you that all Christians are cult members. They all follow Jesus
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 3:46pmUnless you show me a perfect Candidate in your opinion who is able and well equipped to beat the obama, who enjoys support by the overwhelming majority of American voters, who is able to prevent from election fraud, you – with your presumable striving for a “perfect Candidate” – commit nothing but BETRAYAL.
Report Post »Because if you don’t vote for a “less perfect” Candidate, you inevitably vote for the 2nd term of the obama, which means nothing but a full irreversible destruction of America.
Ed from Nebraska
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 4:12pmIt is fun, yes fun to watch, read, and hear all the SO CALLED Christians comments about Romney’s religious beliefs. So what! Romney is a Mormon, SO! Obama is some Middle East Religion OR he may be a Christian, SO! So What! who cares. I may believe you are fat and bald, BUT does that make it so? [No offense intended] I am just making a point. Which is, what does a persons beliefs have to do with cutting taxes, creating jobs, getting rid of Obama Care, cracking down on Illegal migrants. If you are judging a mans qualifications on religion I fell sorry for you. [no apology] That is wrong, not Christ like. Judge Romney for his abilities, and for being a good, moral, trustworthy person. Romney is a leader, a businessman. Obama on the other hand IS NOT a businessman, he has not gained the TRUST of the American business community, foreign leaders and the American People. Ask most Americans what they think about Obama the polls show Americans for the most part LIKE HIM, [But] DO NOT TRUST HIM. Well I like a lot of people but if I cannot trust them I avoid them. I do not trust Obama therefore I will not vote for him. ABO – ABO – ABO in 2012. Anybody But Obama in 2012! I do not always agree with Romney BUT I trust him to do what he says even if I do agree with what he says. At least he is willing to learn from his mistakes and change his views. Obama does not learn and is not willing to change. So if the choice is Obama OR Romney. Romney wins my vote.
Report Post »denisp52
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 4:21pmMatthew 7:6…. oink oink
Report Post »rawdog
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 4:35pmSo? He can believe what he wants, this IS America…
Report Post »If the eventual nominee puts peanut butter on his nipples and sings zippidee doo dah
I’m still voting for him or her. ANYBODY BUT Barry Sotero or a Clinton.
justin.blake
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 5:15pmAhberns…living proof that no matter what reason and logic is presented, some people prefer their own bigoted closed-minded opinions to common sense. You win the “give me a break” award of the day. You can put it up on the shelf next to your “Rapture of the Week” trophy and the cool acrylic “I got the last word” bookends……
Report Post »tootsie roll
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 6:48pmDear Truth/make free
Report Post »As Christie said Really?
I am a Christian and will point you towards the bible’s telling about Jesus becoming a man. Read Matthew1:18-24 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary who was betothed to Joseph, before they came together would be found with child. NOW note Jesus was incarnte by the Holy Spirit NOT joseph. BUT Mary was told as a virgin you shall conceive and bear a son.(who came as a human baby who grew into a human man who was GOD in human form
Luke 1:26- 35) Supports God sent a human baby to Mary who later walked the earth preaching as God’s son who walked in the form of a human man! Stop trying to twist the gospel. God’s son came to earth in a human form as a baby and later a man who was God SOP trying to make people hate Mormons. There are many relgious beliefs in the end God will judge all NOT YOU and your NARROW MINDS AGAINST OTHERS BELIEFS
IAMRIGHTALLTHETIME
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 7:11pmYou know I really dont disagree with you about what the Bible says about that, but in the position we’re in at the moment we really dont have a whole lot of choices, so just vote for the guy if he’s chosen alright… thats what I’m doing, because its better than the muslim we have now and quite frankly, if we dont get the current nut job out of office you better get used to sharia based laws forced down your throat or else your throat will be slashed! So to all you people who are all upset and confused or whatever your problem is, you better square yourselves away and figure it out quick because we no longer have the LUXURY of making another One Big A_ _ Mistake Again. GOT IT!!! Good… now quit your bellyaching and VOTE for WHOEVER is against Obama…
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:39pmPoll: Romney, Paul Tie Obama
By Steven Shepard
Updated: January 9, 2012 | 7:02 p.m.
January 9, 2012 | 6:50 p.m.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/poll-romney-paul-tie-obama-20120109
Report Post »GoliathOnline
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:48pmhahaha… It is funny how you bash on Mitt that he is a Mormon on News Website that is basically indorsed by a Mormon.. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm….
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:24pmLobby donations to candidates:
Ron Paul, the least
Romney, the most
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Report Post »FifthWheel
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:36pmAs a Christian, I never forget that I’m practicing a Jewish Heresy.
Report Post »sayangku
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:08amEnsure that you exercise the mind body and spirit each day and maintain a proper balance. Rage is a symptom of imbalance and frustration. Being laid off in 09 I fell into this trap myself. Thank GOD I am back to work and don’t have time for watching or reading the news every day. These guys can be a drag if watched too much. If you have money try a trip to Bali. A great place to chill and deflate from the craziness. Get lost for a bit…:) Tuhan Memberkati Anda!
Report Post »joel228
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:40amTRUTHboy
Have you ever heard of “the great accuser”? It was originally a description of Satan but I think you are giving him a good run for the money.
Here’s your scripture.
Revelation 12:10
Report Post »…the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:43amHOW THE CULT OF MORMON WORKS;
1. In Temple recommend interviews, members are told that the interviewer represents Jesus and should answer all questions as if they were talking to Jesus. This is a break down of barriers designed to condition the member to completely submit to church’s authority2. Naked touching in the temple washing and anointing ritual also breaks down barriers, creates submission to church authority [This eternal ordinance was changed in Jan 2005 see mormon366.htm ] 3. New name, suggests reassignment of identity4. Temple endowment experience is hypnotic, produces a relaxed, even sleepy alpha like state for receptivity to church indoctrination, oaths, instruction, commitment. Similar to Moonie repetitive indoctrination sessions where chanting, singing, and long periods of lecturing happen.5. Secret signs, tokens, passwords to get into Mormon heaven. If one does not have this exclusive information, they will be denied access past certain angels along the way back to God’s presence. This is an element of control designed to produce exclusivity6. Requirement to wear church approved underwear night and day, conditioned to believe they possess special protections. Another design to control via exclusivity.
THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:45amPART 2
7. Strict tithing requirements. Yearly face to face confrontation with a high church authority to declare to him (as the lord’s representative) how much money the member was able to give to the church. Encouraged to give everything that the lord blesses you with even ones time, talents to the building up of the LDS church. In addition to tithes, generous fast offerings are encouraged. Giving to other charities or worthy causes outside the church is heavily discouraged. The member intuitively knows that the tithing, fast offering, missionary funds and perpetual education funds must be donated to first… and only THEN should outside charities be considered. This cult characteristic, to me, falls under extreme duress to give only to the church organization. The member is even told that if the tithing is not “honest” they will literally burn up at the Lord’s 2nd coming.8. Outsiders not permitted to enter the temple. Exclusivity.9. Members believe Jesus literally walks the halls of the temples and no other buildings on earth receive this privilege. There is only Faith promoting rumors to back this up of course. Yet it is a very strong and widely held belief in the church that this is so.10. There is a blatant Us vs. Them mentality. The LDS testimony conditions members to “know” based on feelings that they are the only ones on earth with the Truth or approved plan of God. Everyone else is wrong and must be saved or baptized into the LDS church.
THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:47am14. Missions are extreme examples of Cult experience.A. 80 hrs a week free labor (Missionary makes no money) in fact the missionary pays largely for his own meals, lodging, transportation and clothing out of his own pocket. The missionary is told that the 2 years in service is a “tithing” of the first 19 years of his life that God gave him/her.B. When not working in field one is encouraged to read scripture & pray constantlyC. High amounts of self-indoctrination and mass indoctrination at zone, district meetings. Guilt tactics are used. If low recruit numbers are happening, the missionary is frequently blamed. Reasons for low recruit numbers are tied to unlikely reasons such as a lack of dedication or commitment to mission rules or even a suggestion that too many missionaries were masturbating too frequently in the past month. This is a gross abuse of mind control.D. Encouraged to frequently recite scripture and hymns, carry a prayer in ones heart at all times so as to fortify ones efforts to keep rules, remain “sanctified to the cause” and not have impure thoughts or masturbate.E. No outside influences, no TV, no radioF. Must always be with companion except for showers and toiletG. Confined to one area, not permitted to go outside geographic boundariesH. Extreme limited contact with family, letters once a week, no phone call home but twice a yearI. Primary job is to recruit new members, give the prospect milk and NO meat doctrine. Deception as soon as possible.
THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:48am11. LDS church has more evidence to prove it false than it does to prove it true, yet members see this as a test of faith and God’s way of strengthening his “Elect”. Or members have been conditioned to never look at this material. Very similar to the Moonie approach that outside information was evil and falls under satanic origins. Anything that could potentially deprogram a Moonie was satanic. Family members, spouses, newspaper articles, radio… you get the idea.12. Members are encouraged strongly to never look at “anti” literature. Yet early apostles encouraged the discovery of truth and preached openly that truth would stand up to highest degree of scrutiny. This was before damning evidences to the church’s platform of ideology was widely known or even challenged. During this era, the church had a sense of infallibility as the saints were securely sequestered in the desert of Utah. Completely isolated from the outside world.13. Bishop interviews are obsessed with sexual purity for youth & missionaries. Adults have been told which sexual acts are permissible and which are not. Though, this is not consistent throughout the church. Young people must disclose any sexual acts, even minor ones. This young person (male or female) believes they are talking to Jesus Christ’s representative in these interviews. Lying to the bishop is equated to lying to Jesus.
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Posted on January 10, 2012 at 5:10am15. If one ever leaves the church, they are told and conditioned to think they will be sent to outer darkness in the afterlife. There is a fear of imminent damnation if they leave the group.16. One man (the prophet figure) speaks for God. Members see this as extremely positive as they believe the prophet will never lead them astray. When confronted that prior prophets in history have been wrong or even preached harmful doctrine that was widely held up as God’s word (racial discrimination) the member quickly dismisses this. This is supported by the perceived good works the church produces and the notion that Mormonism produces good people and strong families
THE TRUTH IS THAT IF YOU ARE A MORMON YOU BELONG TO A CULT, DO YOU REALLY THINK FOR ONE MOMENT THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD ALLOW ROMNEY OR HUNTSMAN ANYWHERE NEAR THE OVAL OFFICE IF THEY KNEW JUST HOW MUCH OF A CULT YOU REALLY ARE? LET ME STATE EMPHATICALLY I HOLD NO FEELINGS OF HATE TOWARDS YOU, TO THE CONTRARY I PITY YOU, I CAB THINK OF HARDLY ANYTHING WORSE THAN TO BE BEGUILED BY ANTICHRIST SPIRITS.
justin.blake
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:36pmGuess Truth still does not understand that this thread is regarding a Romney/Christie rally and some occupy protesters. DO WE HAVE TO USE ALL CAPS TO GET YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR ANTI-MORMON RHETORIC IS UNWANTED HERE? If you are just going to copy and paste some long list of reasons to hate mormons, just post the link and spare us the multiple posts. We know you can’t stand Mormons…we got that at post #1. Somehow you think that someone is going to read your stuff and it will help them ‘see the light’?? Is that what you think? As far as I am concerned, you end up looking more like a bigoted turd than the savior of the mindwashed masses of mormonism. Just….go….away…
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Posted on January 10, 2012 at 3:42pm@THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Report Post »Who cares if Mitt Romeny align himself with your beliefs. We are not trying to decide who would be the best “Pastor” to fill the presidency role. We basically want Obama out of the office and any of the republic candidates would be better than having Obama in office.
Speak2Truth
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 7:52pmRender unto God that which is God’s. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.
Men of many different faiths and degrees of faith agreed on core principles upon which to create this nation. Though predominately Christian, some were not. And that’s okay.
As long as Romney, Christie and others uphold the founding principles of this nation their faith matters not.
As long as Obama tries to “fundamentally transform” and destroy this nation, his pretense of Christianity (with one Marxist pastor after another) matters not.
Politically, we need a man of any faith who will faithfully uphold the duty of his office – to uphold, obey and defend this nation’s principles and Constitution. Get Obama out. There are plenty of qualified replacements of varying faiths.
Report Post »Dotty4CommonSense
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 12:29amWhy don’t you spout your words somewhere else??? We are talking politics here, not religion! Sheesh…you‘re as bad as back in the 60’s when the people didn’t want to vote for a Catholic! Get real and quit bringing a person’s personal faith up for debate! I totally believe in the Mormon faith; it is real, it is true and it is a great way to live one’s life! Maybe your an ex-Mormon who just wants to tell a tiny, tiny part of what you know in order to make yourself feel less guilty??? I am definitely proud to say I am a Mormon and I wouldn’t want to be any other religion! BIGOT!
Report Post »John Burleson
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 12:57amThe Truth Shall Set You Free? Maybe you should change that handle to “Da Trut Dun Made Me Stupid.” Take your Marvel Comics edition of whatever you call a Bible and go thump it somewhere else. You are an absolute discrace to every human that ever looked up at the sky and pondered the possibility of a Creator. Every Biblical “fact” you quote comes from Old Testament writings of MEN. PEOPLE. The Creator did not write the tripe you try to shove down everybody’s throat. MEN DID. Plain, ordinary pants-one-let-at-a-time men who sorta know, deeeep in their little thumpers, there’s something out there. And that something created a universe which was supposed to be filled with the love of a big old family. Instead, propagandists like you have been allowed to breed. You are cordially invited to go thump someplace else. The Creator did not appoint you to attack any of the beautiful faiths practiced and adhered to today. Why don‘t you unthump your head and go meet a couple Mormans so that maybe next time you’ll know what you’re talking about. It‘s the only faith I’ve studied that I’d consider being a part of, and I study them all. Why? BECAUSE NO SINGLE THEOLOGY HAS THE ANSWER. But maybe, just maybe, trying to understand all beliefs just might lead to the answer. And I’ll bet that answer is love. Try it.
Joihn Burleson
Report Post »PoliticalType
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 3:48am@The
So tell me, when you die, do you expect to fly around with bird (angel) wings?
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:49amFurther evidence of Glenn’s treachery is his secretly teaching FARMS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_for_Ancient_Research_and_Mormon_Studies) nonsense on air on Fox without full disclosure (in fact he was being downright deceitful and hypocritical)…
http://thebookofmormonistrue.com/
(see the embedded youtube video on preceding link of Glenn’s Show).
Perhaps most disturbing is the inspiration for so much of Glenn’s brand of crazy…
http://www.salon.com/2009/09/16/beck_skousen/singleton/
Chuck Stein
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:09amI don’t know why this post form this troll suddenly appeared after others had extensively responded to a posting made about the same time.
I am re-posting commentary by “Symphonic” regarding the aptly-named Spin Doctor — that shows the troll’s agenda:
SPINMD, seriously? Posting that HP article by Karger? In 2006 Karger founded Save the Boom!!! a grassroots campaign to save the oldest gay bar in the Western United States, the landmark Boom Boom Room and Coast Inn in Laguna Beach, California. This got Fred active in LGBTQ politics.
That‘s what HE’s about. No wonder he would (and you too) go after the Mormons who played a key role in saving marriage in California. You are believing in the nonsense conspiracy that mormons are supporting Mitt. Um, couldn’t be further from the truth. Mitt is elite alright, but the church could not care less if he gets elected president or not. Their business is not politics, and Prop 8 was not politics. It was a moral issue. Mitt seems to be confused about moral issues, having been pro choice at one time. There is no way the church is going to back someone like that. Mitt’s ON HIS OWN.
Report Post »gogogoff
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:12amPOLITICALJUNKIETOO nice lies guys, you never supported Beck in the first place, BIGOTS WILL HAVE NO PLACE IN THE REPUBLIC!
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:29amHow is occupy celebrating the communist may day this year? They are planning a general national strike of all workers. They choose may 1st as the day to start the new communist revolution
Report Post »Abraham Young
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:29amI’m a Mormon , formerly Catholic. The reason he switched is likely because he found the truth. Having said that, I am NOT a Romney fan. Having read both the 5000 Year Leap, and The Making of America, and watched the youtube video, The Money Masters, and The Creature from Jekyll Island, I feel that I must follow my conscience and vote for the Constitutionalist.
I will not be railroaded into believing that the future belongs to the predetermined party clan who promotes their guy. I am an individualist. I am for liberty for all. I find it striking that so many well meaning people allow fearmongers to browbeat them into submission. Herding them like cattle towards their chosen man.
The means does not justify the ends. The ends should be to choose the best person with the best views to the candidacy. The means should not be based upon expediency, impulse, fear, or the irrational belief that we should pick ANYBODY BUT OBAMA. That’s a recipe for quick fix, no solution, business as usual, more of the same big government. We need a reasoned, seasoned, person of deep understanding. Ron Paul has that. Romney shows clearly that he has no grasp of the reasoning of the constitution. He didn’t know about the right to privacy, he doesn’t understand the simple basics that are spelled out clearly in the 5000 Year Leap.
And probably neither do most Republicans or Democrats.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:30amPeople – how about we stop giving SpinMd the attention he is craving? If you look at his profile, it was created only a few months ago. Every post in his history goes from article to article posting the same exact anti-mormon falsities. This is obviously a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I’m sure a good therapist would truly help his unhealthy obsession.
Report Post »ConservativeCharlie
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:55amWooo, Christy! Ron Paul 2012! Take the Speech Challenge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peKbTRdZRfU
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:07amChristie is just a progressive Republican supporting another progressive Republican. Romney’s old man did the same when the liberal Rockefeller was up against the conservative Goldwater.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:11amJobs can only come back one way…well a couple of ways actually. Massively Reduce Regulations! Get the government out of college loan business. Not every kid should be in college, some should be running our factorys again. Problem is, in the 70′s we taught our kids that working a blue collar job was dull and for the stupid, government said we’ll fix that be giving everyone a chance to go to college via free monies from the US treasury. No one will work those jobs even if they do come back and not every geographic area of this country is educated enough to do the high tech jobs as well.
Report Post »TEIN
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:33amSeen @SPINMD has no truth..if it did, it could tell you what that truth is and build upon that. Instead just bitter angry Libby/Progressive that tears down…like the crabs in a bucket pull each other down instead allowing their fellow crabs to rise out of the bucket…by their fruits…I do not want to live by @SPINMD fruits..the fruits of destruction……Build up what you believe, build up who and why they should be Pres of US…I get tired of peeps who are miserable and want others to share in that misery…if you don‘t like Mormon’s then find that what you do like and enjoy..then have other come and join you, but to just on purpose go out of your way to try a degrade others because of you own misery??? Sad….maybe you have an oven for Mormon’s…..
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:28pmI never have quite figured out why people who hate Beck come on here.. unless it is just to stir the pot… and those that normally stir the pot are not running on Jesus fuel.. but on a darker forces fuel.. Truly guys I do feel very sorry for you.. how very sad that you let anger and hatred rule you?? God forgive you!
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 4:59pmDon’t feed the trolls, please. If you feed them, they will become dependent.
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:45amI certainly don’t want to paint all individual Mormons as complicit in this conspiracy as the overwhelming majority has absolutely no clue with many being honest seekers of truth. After all, at least for now, I too am a Mormon. So is John Huntsman and certainly he has butted heads with his church and has the scars to prove it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fred-karger/mormon-church-huntsman-romney_b_1169558.html
However, Mitt is Mormon elite. He is the direct descendant of pioneers and apostles. He has been a Bishop and Stake President of the LDS church. Glenn Beck has crossed the line manipulating the masses that have naively put their trust in him. He who lives in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. I suspect Glenn will now throw his support behind Santorum (to continue to split the Anti-Romney vote) whose Theocratic aspirations are not too terribly far removed from Glenn‘s or Mitt’s.
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/01/05/will-rick-santorum-fill-the-role-of-winston-churchill/
Honestly, Winston Churchill?!?
THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:22amRomney belongs to a cult..plain and simple, cults are people decieved by demon spirits to keep them in error. Jim jones, David Koresh, Heavens Gate, Church of scientology and rev sun yung moon have one thing in common…They have and believe a lie…No cult member deserves to be leading our country period! If they can‘t follow God’s Word do you really think they are going to follow the Constitution?
Diane TX
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 3:16am@ THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE,
Your truth is quite convoluted, isn’t it? I know some Mormons (not many), but the ones I know are all upstanding people. I also know some Christians that believe Catholics are some kind of cult. I am a Catholic, and I faithfully believe that the Catholic Church was started by Jesus Christ, himself. I also believe that the Pope was originally installed by Jesus Christ to interpret the doctrines of Jesus Christ . Protestants protest these original doctrines, and Lutherans refuse to accept the authority of the Pope. So be it.
Report Post »SekndAmendment
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 3:24amPassing some serious judgment there Truth Shall Set You Free. Which religion do you claim “follows the word of God?” They‘re all different religions and by saying the Mormons got it wrong you’re implying your church got it right. Put your money where your mouth is. What church do you attend each week? Come on, give me the name so I can educate you on the embarrassing history behind its foundation so that you’ll see you are also a cult member.
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 3:36amDiane,
I am calm. I am also a Mormon (former missionary).
Also, I agree with you that all Mormons are not trying to take over the world but I assure you plans are in place at the highest levels to seize power when the appropriate crisis comes about.
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 3:39amWhy do things always have to devolve into a religious squabble?
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 4:01amDiane, as a catholic, have you ever taken an oath like the following?
I took this oath as part of my temple endowment. I also took it in the name of a multitude of the dead, perhaps one of your ancestors…
You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the law of consecration as contained in this, the book of Doctrine and Covenants [he displays the book], in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.
Each of you bow your head and say, “Yes.”
The LDS concept of the Kingdom of God on the EARTH…well look into what the prophets who wrote that oath had in mind… Look into some of the oaths we dropped from our rituals in order to appear more mainstream. Perhaps the LDS church isn’t trying to take over the world ANYMORE despite what their early prophets said even into the 1900s but they should at least be honest with us as your church has begun to do regarding some of its past mistakes. Let me reiterate that I and my Mormon friends are likewise good and decent, though deceived, citizens as I am sure your friends are. If Mitt is elected, he will have unprecedented power. Think Patriot act, drone assassinations and NDAA for starters…
Report Post »Exiled
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 4:05amSpinMD: “plans to seize power”? Really? By that do you mean that they have plans on how to deal with a real crisis? Such as when government collapses for whatever reason? You mean they have plans to maintain an orderly system when people are panicking? You mean they have a plan to maintain distribution of food and medical aid? What a horrible, horrible concept!
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 4:29amExiled: Nope that would be fine. More concerned about the United Order, blood atonement, and polygamy like the fundamentalists live. They got those silly ideas from somewhere didn’t they.
Report Post »Exiled
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 4:41amSpinMD: You forgot to mention the 12th article of Faith: We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
Report Post »I don’t see anything in there about believing that we should overthrow the government “at the right moment”.
country_hick
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 5:27amTRUTH – It wasn’t too many years ago that the Christian “religion” was nothing but a ‘cult’ by the standards of those days. Now look at it – fractured and shattered by various splits and interputations like not being allowed to seek medical attention or take transfusions, dancing and playing cards being a sin, having a glass of wine being a sin, etc. Three branches of Lutherans, how many flavors of Baptists (?), Christian Scientists…
SPINMD – The whole polygamy thing is a non-starter. Main stream Mormons left that long ago. Riddle me this – why does the government dictate how many people can be in a marriage AS LONG as they all know about the others and are in it of their own will? Why is it treated differently than gay marriage? Or heterosexual or gay civil unions?
It is too bad that more religions don’t “suggest” that their members have a minimum of a 3 month supply of food for each family member laid away. I know people that go to the store every day. What happens if the trucks don’t restock the stores? Look at the mess that occurs EVERY time a hurricane is inbound or a big snow predicted…runs on grocery stores and gas stations.
Oh, SPINMD, here’s a hint… If you want to get rid of the religious people coming to your door trying to convert you just explain to them that you are a pagan, even if you aren’t, and happy the way you are. They will stop showing up. Must be some type of missionary grapevine out there!
Report Post »Cat
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 5:29amReally?
Report Post »How much do we really know about the real manipulators and what they plan to do with all our wealth?
Judge for yourself …
Ask Leo Lyon Zagami, an ex-member of the Comitato Esecutivo Massonico – Masonic Executive Committee (MEC) of Monte Carlo.
(Too many links to post – pro and con)
OWS has NO phuqing clue
symphonic
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 5:42amSPINMD, seriously? Posting that HP article by Karger? In 2006 Karger founded Save the Boom!!! a grassroots campaign to save the oldest gay bar in the Western United States, the landmark Boom Boom Room and Coast Inn in Laguna Beach, California. This got Fred active in LGBTQ politics.
That‘s what HE’s about. No wonder he would (and you too) go after the Mormons who played a key role in saving marriage in California. You are believing in the nonsense conspiracy that mormons are supporting Mitt. Um, couldn’t be further from the truth. Mitt is elite alright, but the church could not care less if he gets elected president or not. Their business is not politics, and Prop 8 was not politics. It was a moral issue. Mitt seems to be confused about moral issues, having been pro choice at one time. There is no way the church is going to back someone like that. Mitt’s ON HIS OWN.
Report Post »ohiochili
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 5:45amDiane Tx. I stand up and cheer your comment.
When the LDS start acting like islam, then you Mormon haters have a beef.
When an atheist like me can see the religious bigotry, well…that’s pretty sad.
Report Post »FormerLib
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 5:50amWait….I remember back in the 80s when Jerry Falwell and the “Christian Right” were going to take over America and create a theocracy. That was after JFK was elected in 1960 and was going to usher in the US as extension of the papacy. Meanwhile, we have a group of people following a religion called Islam, whom have overtly worn to make us submit to it and have taken steps to do so, and we’re worried about Mormons. If Mormon governance was as bad as some of the fear peddlers here would seem to believe it is, Utah would be hell to live in, wouldn’t it?
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 6:03amDIANE TX you got that right…..same crap different day. They said that the pope would be running America.
Report Post »4thGenerationWarrior
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 6:15amspinmd, i am sorry that you refuse to allow yourself access to the “full picture” of LDS doctrine and spirituality. IF you actually did that you would not feel the way you do. Speaking from experience, do yourself a favor and stop kicking against the ******, because you will lament your choice. IF you told the truth during your PPI for the Melchezedek Priesthood then you were chosen in the pre-existence for that authority…REMEMBER: you are truly unique in that way from other men on this earth. IF you simply a lying snake bigot and are not ACTUALLY a member or former missionary then shame upon you!
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 6:34amYou’re all wrong.
Report Post »little big man
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 6:34amwho cares if he’s a mormon. I don’t care if mitt worships mickey mouse, he can run the country just fine.
Report Post »Rob
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 6:40amI teach. All the students that I have had that come from strong Morman families are the BEST and most polite students ever. Clean cut, respectful, hardworking, and just all around nice. I would put Romney’s family and friends up against that socialist in the White House any day.
Report Post »revolutionrosie
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 6:44am:GASP: SpinMD spilled the beans on our secret plan to take over the world, but thankfully he didn’t clue anyone in to our little scheme of forcing Mcdonalds to serve jello salad with shredded carrots.
drago
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 6:49am@Nzkiwi
Report Post »Thank you, no truer words have been spoken on here, “why do things always have to devolve into a religious squabble”? The religious debate is another reason we cant fix this country, you people need to step down from your pulpit, get off the pew, and help fix this nation, instead of arguing who’s religion is better, sheesh.
SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:01am.
Looks like the only choice in 2012 is me……….
SpankDaMonkey 2012
Report Post »Mountain Dew
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:08am@SPINMD I’m also a descendent of pioneers and apostles (Brigham Young, but then again, seeing he had 28 wives that aint saying much :D). Man where do I get in on the goods?! I I’m stuck driving a ten year old piece of hud and a fourty year old tract house to live in. Tell me where I can sign up on the grand Mormon Conspiracy. I wanna be a millionaire/billionaire elitist too!
Report Post »joel228
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:15amSPINMD, do you still even accept Christ and his teachings? If so maybe you should drop your anti LDS rants and take up your crusade against Jesus and against his second coming. He claimed that when he comes again it will be to burn all the wicked and reign 1000 years as ruler of the world (i.e. take over the world).
However by take over, it will be to restore freedom of conscience and freedom of worship which is more and more being removed from us.
Report Post »kaygee
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:20amsome body should stop glen beck.to continue the show he is supporting rick santorum.so that obama can be re elcted.
Report Post »THX-1138
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:35am“Why do things always have to devolve into a religious squabble?”
What other kind is there?
Report Post »toomuchgovt
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:40amThose who don’t know history are DOOMED to repeat it. Jesus was considered to be a cult leader, followers of Jesus and christianity were tortured and killed as cultist. Maybe a quick reference into who the very first victims of the Nazi’s were, check the link to the holocaust museum. This was only the beginning. The Jewish people had the most murders.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005200
Make an informed vote, not a vote based on religious bias.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:46amdiane tx. i agree. the comments heard about jfk being catholic were over the top as are the comments about romney being a mormon. jeez obama is a muslim or a nothing and the msm doesn’t give a crap about that.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:51am“The public mind is not owned by us. It is owned and managed by the state itself and for a precise purpose: to perpetuate the idea that we have all chosen the regime that rules us. That is why there is so little difference between the political parties. As Higgs puts it, the U.S. has “two revolving factions of a one-party state farcically masquerade as authentic alternatives, the one specializing in crushing economic freedom and the other concentrating on crushing every other form of freedom.”
Report Post »Robert Higgs’ amazing work “Against Leviathan”
Goldi
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:00amHuntsman’s grandfather was a (beloved and respected) General Authority in the LDS Church. So if you go after one, because of their ancestors, I guess you need to go after both.
Report Post »PoliticalJunkieToo
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:01amWhile Republicans are WIMPS on pointing out exactly how freaky Mormons are, if Mitt Romney gets the nomination, Obama and his minions will PLASTER the fact that Mormons are not Chrisitans ALL OVER THE AIRWAYS.
Obama will do to Mitt Romney what Romney is doing to Gingrich and it won’t be pretty.
While Obama is not religionous, he KNOWS that many Americans are. He also knows that those Christisns would be VERY DISTURBED by the FACT that Mormons believe they can become gods and goddesses when they die and that while they do believe in Jesus, Jesus is just one of the less gods among many. Obama will also point out that Mormons believe after death they can have spirit children and some will go on to rule over other planets.
You can BET, Obama and his minions WILL USE and PROVE that Mormons are NOT Christians and THAT will FRACTURE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY even more than it is already and Obama will win.
Report Post »THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:10amI don’t care “ How Nice ” someone is that is a mormon, Let’s not confuse FACTS, I’ve had some mormons work for me that were decent people, THE POINT IS MORMONISM IS A CULT, You folks that are trying to whiyewas that fact ere trying to whitewash that fact doesn’t change it. Do you really want the highest office in our land led by someone that believes satan and Jesus are brothers? WE WOULDN’T WANT A MECCA praying muslim in office would we? ( obama hides it I think )
Report Post »If you have been decievrd into a doctrine of devils, What other demon spirits will work “ after ” he takes the authority of a “ king ”? From the poll thst eas taken here on the blaze MOST OF YOU are supposed to be Christians…What does the bible say concerning cults and false religions? Bid them Godspeed? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
riseandshine
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:18amSPIN is a lying troll.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:22amThe Catholics or the Mormons may not be trying to take over the world, but Mitt would be just as bad of a choice for president as JFK was, we got damn lucky we shouldn’t risk something like that again.
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:28amWall Street and The Chamber of Commerce chose Romney from the start backing him with millions. When he beats Obama watch for the middle class to continue to lose it’s share of income to the 1% and the wealth gap to hit new highs, greater than ever, and there to be more poor with fewer social safety nets. I see no hope until the left and right formerly middle class voters are so impoverished by the policies of the GOP and Dems that we finally get a third party that actually will stand for middle income citizens vs the wealthy and connected. A constitutional amendment barring corporate personhood would be a good start along with publicly financed elections. Next take the profit out of health care and education like the rest of the world.
Report Post »carbonyes
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:30amDIANE TX, hate to burst your bubble, but Peter was never a Pope, nor did Jesus Christ start the Catholic Church. Peter was an apostle, not a pope. Peter never took the title of Pope, nor was he ever known as such. That was a man made title instituted by religionists not true Christians, and you will find no reference to Peter as a pope in the Bible. Peter was not the Rock that Christ built His church upon, but the revelation to Peter by the Holy Spirit that Christ was the Son of God, that revelation of Jesus Christ, who is “the Rock” that His church was built upon. Upon none other foundation but Christ can the church stand.
Report Post »KTsayz
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:37amCan we Please get back to the issue – Mitt cannot be our president!
Report Post »Ron Paul has to win or that’s the end of America. Even Glenn said it to that woman in Dec. All the other candidate are progressives.
And OH! What do we have here? Mitt protesting people protesting the Vietnam War knowing full well his daddy is going to send him to France for an extended vacation… I mean ‘missionary’ service so he doesn’t need to get his nice white pants dirty. And what else do we learn in this article? That Mitt is splashing his cash around, throwing it in the faces of the struggling Americans he says he wants to ‘lead’, by bulldozing his paltry 3000 sq ft oceanfront property in CA to build an 11,000 sq ft mansion.
boohoo I feel so bad for Mittens only having an 11,000 sq foot pad.
What’s really awful is that I have to find out about this in a UK paper! Where is this story on the Blaze or Fox or even MSDNC?
Read all about it here folks
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083002/Mitt-Romney-19-demonstrated-favour-Vietnam-War-draft.html
musclehead
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:47amGet over this “cult” nonsense – it is nothing more than simple religious prejudice, and it’s silly, to boot.
Two of the worst presidents in American history were devout Presbyterians: Woodrow Wilson and LBJ. Woodrow Wilson, a preacher’s son, said that religion was his driving force and he believed he was on a divine mission to reform America into a socialist utopia. Does being a devout “main stream” protestant make for a better President? Obviously not.
I personally think that holy rollers convulsing on the floor and babbling in tongues are kind of silly – it’s certainly non-Biblical, but that wouldn’t prevent me from voting for a Pentecostal; but hey, that’s just me.
My point is that a candidate’s religion should not be the main factor in choosing a president. Does one love the country? Does one believe in American exceptionalism and will they pledge to place America’s interests ahead of all others? Will one protect and defend the Constitution? Will one protect and defend our borders? Is one a person of honor? Is one a strong leader? These are the questions that should be used to judge whether a candidate is fit to serve as President.
Report Post »AOL_REFUGEE
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:49amSo, SPINMD, you’re an Obama supporter, then? How rude.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:05am@Truth,
You and obama supporter? I want to know because your comments intrigue as Obama has no idea what his beliefs are. I look at the track record of these people and all politicians stink. I want a simple, honest guy that does not play politics but talks issues, follows God’s guidelines and the Constitution.
All politicians have been enticed by “the machine”. They all make it their living instead of their passion. They work for their selfish ambition instead of a government “for the people”. So all this BS of Mormon, Christian, anti-gay, etc… our choices are thin and this will take more than one election to fix. We need to get common folk that love this country into politics with a simple message of honesty, integrity and principles.
Report Post »singleparent
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:08amI think anyone who belongs to a church and spreads the word of the church is in a cult… Living the word of god as said in the bible wich is supposed be the word of god should be enough.. The current catholic pope has called for a one world government and the transfer of wealth and was in the nazi youth. Priests have sexually abused children. mormans more than one wife just like muslims with under age girls.. yes they are all a cult.. All religions are out of controll….
Report Post »BODYBAG
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:10amIt doesnt get much better than magic underwear & Donnie & Marie on Planet Kolub
http://www.mormonmagicunderwear.com/
http://deuceofclubs.com/lps/kolob.htm
http://www.nowscape.com/mormon/kolob1.gif
Report Post »THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:20am7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come inth e flesh. THIS IS A DECIEVER AND AN ANTICHRIST. 8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought , but that we receive a full reward. 9 WHOSOEVER transgresseth , and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in thedoctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father andthe Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, RECIEVE HIM NOT into your house, neither bid him God speed : 11 For he that biddeth him Godspeed IS PARTAKER of his evil deeds.
Report Post »marvlus
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:27amHey Spin Doctor (SPINMD). You are really out there! Your name is fitting, too!
Report Post »gogogoff
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:34amI am not shocked the NEWT supporter, thinks Mormons are cults.
WE are the CHURCH of JESUS CHRIST, of latter day saints.
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:39amTHE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE You are so off the mark.. you absolutely know nothing of the LDS church.. you say we don’t believe in the trinity, that is wrong, we believe in God, His Son and in the Holy Ghost. You say you have had some decent Mormons work for you, but then you twist it and say they are a cult… make up your mind! So if you have had decent Mormons work for you isn’t that all that matters with Mitt Romney.. Its not like he is going to try and convert you once he is President. What are you afraid of? Wouldn’t you rather have a decent President than what we have now.. Really I do pity you brother.. if anyone is decieved by and being used by the devil it is you..by spreading your hatred, who do you think is making you spread such hatred and ugliness.. it certainly isn’t Jesus.. Jesus said. “Judge not, lest ye be judged”.. He also said, as I have loved you, love one another” I’ll keep praying for you!
Report Post »bicyclemilitia
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:19pmMust be lonely in your world where everyone but you is wrong an a cult! I bet you would think Jesus was into Sorcery or Witchcraft if you had lived in his time on earth!
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:05pmThe word “Cult” does not just apply to a religious groups -China’s “thought re-education”.
Control communication;Believers consider it their duty to create an environment containing no more and no less than their “truth” so that all information available on concerned topics speaks the “truth”.
Create infallibility and Omnipotence; Included in this mystique is a sense of “higher purpose,“ of having ”directly perceived some imminent law of social development”; the pursuit of which must supersede all considerations of decency or acceptable social behavior.
Demand for Piety;the experiential world is sharply divided into the pure and the impure. All “taints” and “poisons” which contribute to the existing state of impurity must be searched out and eliminated in individuals and society as a whole.
The “Sacred Science”:The totalist milieu maintains an aura of sacredness around its basic dogma, holding it out as an ultimate moral vision for the ordering of human existence.This sacredness is evident in the prohibition (whether or not explicit) against the questioning of basic assumptions, and in the reverence which is demanded for the originators of the Word, the present bearers of the Word, and the Word itself.
This is a really good excerpt from a book written on the subject of how the Chinese people were converted to Communism, but can be applied to other politics as well.
Report Post »http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing19.htm
ConservativeCharlie
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:43amwhat that a sexual enduendo? Somthing may go down tonight, but it wont be jobs? ha ha. What did he mean by that. This wasnt much of an Obama Rant Wanna hear an epic Obama Rant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfdrXGo_8-I
cosette
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 6:42am@@ Coindexter- You have an amazing grasp of the totally obvious. Now how about a relevant comment?
Report Post »Annika2011
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:38am@COINDEXTER
Report Post »Christie can lose weight..
But you’ll always be stupid
Go Christie!
Dstarr55
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:44amCosette, I agree – coindexter should have reserved his post – I’m sure he/she also goes out on a rainy day and proclaims ‘dang it’s wet’. Now to what Chris actually did – he totally turned the tables on that OWS protester. What I love about the guy is his ability to think quickly on his feet. He is brilliant at dealing with people that don’t really want to debate but actually want to just scream and yell nonsense hoping to put him off balance – it never works – for a big guy he is quite agile. Truly if the OWS protesters were serious about changing things they would not be disruptive, they would be constructive. It is hard to rally around a cause that only agenda seems to make things miserable for those around them.
Report Post »cja23
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:24amAlright Cosette, way to mock people making fun of Christie. Mr. Christie is overweight, duh. Make a relevant comment if you can muster it somewhere between the space between your ears.
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:39amFriends and family have heard my theories of Glenn’s role, to build a relationship of trust with evangelicals and the tea party to covertly aid Mitt Romney’s election. He is slowly but surely leading people in that direction. As the Fox News and Conservative Talking heads push Anybody but Obama, they each carry water for one or more “anti Romney” candidates thus splitting and marginalizing that segment’s vote. BTW, you may already know this but Bain Capital (yeah Mitt’s Bain Capital) bought Clear Channel Communications in 2006. Clear Channel owns Premier Radio which broadcasts Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity among others (Follow the relevant links on Clear Channel’s Home page). Conflict of interest?
Report Post »the_ancient
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:14amHUH? Glenn Beck (as well as Stu and Pat) are Clearly Rick Santorum supporters, they may not be “endorsing” anyone offically, but Air Time minutes and sanitised Coverage (even by the blaze) of Santorum Clearly shows he Supports Rick Santorum.
Report Post »ohiochili
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 6:01amSpinmd, I bet you have a picture of Jesse Ventura in your wallet.
I have learned in my years never to trust any current or former ‘insider’ who has ‘seen the light’ and takes it upon themselves to educate others about the evils of that entity. They usually have some perceived slight like being denied a promotion, didn’t get that recognition, etc.
Is it possible you were passed over for bishop or maybe ward president?
Report Post »Mike Dar
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 3:29pmNot to forget the Bains partner in Clear channel communications owned MF Global, and MF Global when it was Refco which folded doing dirty deeds, now twice in 6 years. Of course the biggest outside Investor is JP Morgan in MF Global, which is suing to take front of the line in not only creditor but the 40,000 small time regular account holders. Being as “london” Re-hypothication feeds from JP Morgan ran through MF Global .
Report Post »Then there is the Dec 14 meeting Romney had with JP Morgan in New York and the drastic rise in neg ads and up in polls Dec 15-16th for Romney.
Romney is now beholding to JP Morgan…just like Obama is beholding to Goldman Sachs. They are both paid for.
Dotty4CommonSense
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 12:49am“IF” you listened to Glenn, you‘ll know that he doesn’t support Mitt Romney (ticks me off, but that’s his choice, not mine)…he has always liked Michele Bachman and he wanted to see her running for president. He had thought Rick Santorum would be good until Santorum brought up a few things Glenn couldn’t agree with, and the same with Ron Paul — and he gave Newt a chance too, but didn’t like many of the things he was spouting. You obviously don‘t listen to Glenn or you’d realize that just because he is a Mormon, he isn’t backing a Mormon (Mitt or Jon Huntsman)!!!
Report Post »Viper1
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:37amWay to Go Kris Kristi! I am so sick of these useful idiots all I want them to do is go back to their parents basement and smoke some-more pot. I wish you would run and since you are not would you please do the same thing to the Ron Paul supporters? His elevator doesn‘t go to the top floor and his supporters just don’t get it.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:59amRomeny has created jobs through his time at Bane capital. He created low paying jobs in China nad Asia, after his group would take over US manufacturers, closed down the US factories and ship the jobs out of the Country.
Report Post »Dotty4CommonSense
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 12:53amLoved your comments! I adore Christi and I am backing Mitt Romney and for me, the perfect pair would be a Romney/Christie ticket! Christie knows how to get to people bluntly and I’d love to see him go at some of these jerks like that!
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:36amI honestly kinda’ liked Glenn, as I try to have an eclectic range of news outlet, until I noticed him using the Mormon “Commitment Pattern” (what we missionaries used to jokingly refer to as the “manipulation pattern”) on his show and knowing he never served a mission, I wondered how come he was using it so well… My conclusion was he was getting help from the LDS Church in one way or another. You are being manipulated right now by Glenn Beck. WAKE UP!
http://www.lds4u.com/Discussions/commitment.htm
marvel
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:09am@SpinMD
The “Commitment Pattern”, which was a part of the Uniform System for Teaching the Gospel, was no big secret. It was a very effective way to train young, inexperienced men and women in the skills and attributes that make for successful missionaries. That is when properly applied. Anyone could purchase and read the old Missionary Guide for themselves and see that motivating via guilt, fear, or coercion was specifically discouraged throughout the training, and the primary focus was to teach by the Spirit, and to invite others to act accordingly.
Makes sense to me that if you are going to send missionaries out to interact with people, and to be instruments in the hands of God in bringing souls unto him, that you should train them with the teaching skills that will make them effective in helping people commit to gospel principles. The training also taught those young men and women basic skills such as listening, finding out peoples thoughts and feelings, and helping resolve concerns. It taught them to respect peoples cultures and previous strongly-held beliefs. Did you miss all that when you were a missionary?
I’ll never forget how in the MTC I realized that I spent more time thinking about what I was going to say next than listening to people while teaching. The Missionary Guide and “Commitment Pattern” helped me be a better person, by teaching me to listen among other things.
There was nothing manipulative about any of it. Only correct principle
Report Post »marvel
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:31am@SpinMD
I read your link and I found this quote interesting.
“In general, the church doesn’t care very much about what you believe, and cares a lot about what you do. The Commitment Pattern is the tool the missionaries use to turn your actions into those of a Mormon, step by step.”
Does it surprise you that Missionaries (and the Church) are concerned about helping converts live according to the teachings of the Church before being baptized? In case you forgot, living in accordance to basic gospel principles is a requirement before baptism. No secret there.
Beyond that, the quote is dead wrong that the Church doesn’t care about what people believe, rather what they do. The baptism interview explores mainly whether the convert actually believes and has a testimony born by the Spirit before becoming a member. But you knew that, having been a missionary before.
The commitments serve not only to help people repent of their sins, but also to help them gain a personal witness of the blessings associated with obedience to God’s laws. The missionaries are simply following the teachings of Jesus in this regard.
“If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. ” John 7:17
That’s why there is an emphasis on helping people live the principles. The “belief” or testimony necessary for true conversion is obtained from God, by way of obedience, which is an act of “faith” to begin with.
T
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 4:19am@Marvel
Yep, as a Zone Leader, I taught the commitment pattern, which we referred to as the manipulation pattern in the ranks, to young bucks to go convert those souls. I also had a big white board where we kept track of “our numbers” which we called into headquarters every night. Zig Ziglar would have been proud. Business was good.
Knock knock…
Hi, I am Elder—-, of the church of JCLDS,.
Do you love your family? How would you like to spend forever with them? You would? Will you allow me to share a message with you on how to make that possible. We invited people to baptism within one hour if we were good. 4th principle 1st discussion. Pray now. Ask God if Joseph Smith was a prophet. How do you feel? Will you accept that feeling as a message from God that Joe was a prophet and commitment to be baptized? You do. We have an opening this Friday at 7 pm and Sunday at 2pm. Which of those work for you. After we got that commitment, we would then teach the gospel principles such as tithing, chastity, word of wisdom, baptisms for the dead, and oh yeah you get to be a god someday.
What is manipulative about that? BTW, the feeling people get when publicly praying, perhaps for the first time ever, may simply be embarrassment not proof from the holy ghost that Joseph Smith’s first vision is true.
We were far worse than used car salesmen. Think door to door used car salesmen. But hey, we believed in our product. I guess that counts for something.
Report Post »marvel
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:42am@SpinMD
It’s clear you missed the point. I certainly never saw it the way you did, neither have I ever referred to helping people feel and recognize the Spirit and act accordingly as “manipulation”, and neither did I ever attempt to manipulate people as you taught the missionaries to do as zone leader. Sounds like you had it all wrong in your mind to begin with. You should have trained them not to be manipulative.
Also, I’m not sure I follow your logic. Is it really that odd that missionaries would teach people Mormon doctrine before they became Mormons in preparation for their baptism? That’s what missionaries do. Since we believe that paying tithing and offerings, going to church, living chaste lives, exaltation, are all principles of the gospel, is it really that odd that we teach about it?
I am glad that you acknowledge that missionaries do teach exaltation to converts. Many ex(now anti)-Mormons like to claim that they are never told about that, and that they shockingly find out later. But from the first lesson to the last we teach that the spirits of mankind are the literal offspring of God, and that we have an opportunity through Jesus Christ to become like him – heirs and joint heirs to all the Father has.
So, to sum it up. You had a wrong understanding of how to do missionary work, and you taught that wrong understanding to others, and now you use that as an example against the Church you left. How ironic.
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:34pmAt Marvel,
Report Post »That is a more reasonable reply. You are right. Many of us young men are immature despite the title Elder. You certainly seem to have had the right attitude. I certainly thought I did at the time. I agree, it is ironic. You are welcome at my campfire. Bring your own Hot Cocoa, I’m sipping scotch! God Bless!
SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:31amAs a former LDS missionary, who served in the Utah-Salt Lake City mission, I taught and learned from many Mormon fundamentalists. I have a unique perspective on Mormon history – especially the redacted history.
http://www.examiner.com/religion-science-in-salt-lake-city/further-mitt-romney-white-horse-mormonism
Report Post »Got2bRoni
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:49amLet me guess? You have been saved and our born again? Sigh…..
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:43amhttp://www.hulu.com/watch/250048/south-park-all-about-mormons?=1#s-p1-so-i0
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:21amDon’t believe anything SPINMD says….just a lying troll.
Report Post »joel228
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:07amSpinMD, as a former LDS missionary and life long member of the church I find that the apostate former missionaries (fortunately relatively few) are very susceptible to endless lies and every false wind that blows their way. In other words they are guilty of the very thing that they accuse good LDS of being.
For example the so called “white horse prophesy” is never and never has been taught in the church and neither was it anything that Joseph Smith taught. If was someone’s diary enter from 50 years after when they thought Joseph Smith said anything about that and long after his death.
If it was taught by Joseph Smith how would you explain D&C 77? The four horsemen that are mentioned in the opening of the first four seals of Revelation clearly describe events or characteristics of the first four millenniums starting with the fall of Adam and Eve. The opening of the first seal (white horse) describes the first thousand years not current events. So either the diary was wrong or Joseph Smith taught conflicting things related to the white horse (first seal) and the other three colors as well. Since you have nothing but anti Mormon literature to make your case I would go with the fact that he never taught what he is accused of.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:20am@SpinMD, its ok little buddy, your just a bit confused, Your not a Mormon. Your an Anti-Mormon. And from the sounds of your ramblings your also against taking your meds. It would be great to hear from you once you are stable again. Remember to eat with a big spoon and have mommy cut the meat for you.
Report Post »Collbuzz
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:29amFinally, a man with the b@lls to say it loud and say it proud!! truer words were never spoken. Go Chris!!
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:03pm@Neofan, that was funny. Made me smile. Reminded me of my buddy who tells me I need to take my vitamin H when I go off on a screed.
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:21amMitt’s great great grandfather, Parley P. Pratt (LDS apostle), said it in a speech in the Council Chamber of the Legislative Assembly, at Great Salt Lake City, on December 15th, 1852 (Reported by George D. Watt; WWJ 4:162-170)
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:19amGuess who said it?
“Yes, Mr. President our nation and the world shall be taught by the Prophets and all nations [shall] feel the influence of the institutions now being developed in these halls of liberty — the chambers of the eternal mountains of Deseret. Let the United States go on in their own strength, without the inspiration and institutions of the Almighty now offered them by our Prophets. Let them spread abroad their dominions on every side. Let the principles of conquest or of the annexation add the Canadas, British America and even Greenland on the North, Spanish and Portugue[se] America to Cape Horn on the South. The west Indies on the East and the Isles of the Pacific, including Japan on the West. Let these countries be gathered under the wings of the side spread Eagle and let them be peopled by the enterprising of all nations, by hundreds of millions. Let their rich and almost boundless resources be developed by all these and still remain ignorant and destitute of the Keys of Knowledge and Power which lead and govern the destinies of Deseret or of Utah. Yet shall the Institutions of that same Utah, or of her people, out weigh all this — have more present influence in the destinies of the world, and abide and give laws and religion to man, when the best of mere human, civil, political, moral, social and religious institutions has ceased to be, and its memory only shadowed forth in the dim history of the past.”
4thGenerationWarrior
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 6:42amSPINMD, one of these days you are, in the quietness of your dark room while trying to sleep, going to realize that you have been deceived by Satan like Korihor. When this happens you will sob uncontrollably and beg and plead the Lord to forgive you for the sins you have committed and for your actions fighting a losing battle against the Lord’s Church. I am NOT going to quote scripture to you nor will I preach because you have a perfect understanding of what you are doing and why you are doing it…if you do not repent you will regret it. The church does not matter in the eternal scheme, but your personal purity and your relationship with the Savior. You can lie to yourself and sya that your relationship with the Savior is fine, but you and I know differently…don’t we? Afterall the Savior NEVER spewed bigotry.
Report Post »SPINMD, I have been where you are and have come back from that brink of spiritual destruction and my life has been spiritually enchanted comparatively, since my return. You will learn…my words will likely fall on a hard heart now, but just wait- the light will come and you will see with open eyes anew.
I will pray for you even though I don’t really know you- the Lord does.
P8riot
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:21amHoly crap; Spinmd – go away. You are so annoying! Your repeat posts that have nothing to do with the article are a lot like those postings about “how you can make 100k a year from your computer at home – just click on the link”… so annoying.
BTW – PLEASE stop pretending you’re a Mormon when you so obviously hate everything to do with the Church. If you really are a Mormon and yet feel the way you do, then you are a hypocrite for keeping your membership. There are lots of churches I disagree with – so as a rational human being – I simply don’t attend them. I don’t spend a large portion of my life obsessing and posting about how much I disagree with them. Move on – you don’t have to throw rocks at those who walk a different path than you.
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:20pmAt 4thGen,
Alma ch 30 actually led me to accept the BOM initially. I also find it fascinating when you compare Bill Maher’s Religulous movie to Korihor. Fascinating. I highly recommend the exercise….very spooky!
I honestly don’t hate Mormonism. I disagree with it. If I hated it, I would have my name removed. It is imperative we have these conversations now rather than in October. The progressive statists are building their bigoted AntiMormon AntiMitt narrative. We need to innoculate the the party or choose another candidate. I say another candidate personally. For instance, you need to be ready to explain to Your Catholic friends that Bruce R. McConkie unequivocally redacted his statement that Catholicism is the great whore. Be ready for ERA, Prop 8, polygamy, vegenance blood oaths, Mountain Meadows etc… Simple denials won’t cut it. Refusing to confront it won’t cut it. Meaningful answers or another candidate who has a chance with indys and maybe a few dems. The whole party shouldn’t have to die the death of 1000 AntiMormon cuts… Just saying…
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:16amGuess who said the following…
Yes, Mr. President our nation and the world shall be taught by the Prophets and all nations [shall] feel the influence of the institutions now being developed in these halls of liberty — the chambers of the eternal mountains of Deseret. Let the United States go on in their own strength, without the inspiration and institutions of the Almighty now offered them by our Prophets. Let them spread abroad their dominions on every side. Let the principles of conquest or of the annexation add the Canadas, British America and even Greenland on the North, Spanish and Portugue[se] America to Cape Horn on the South. The west Indies on the East and the Isles of the Pacific, including Japan on the West. Let these countries be gathered under the wings of the side spread Eagle and let them be peopled by the enterprising of all nations, by hundreds of millions. Let their rich and almost boundless resources be developed by all these and still remain ignorant and destitute of the Keys of Knowledge and Power which lead and govern the destinies of Deseret or of Utah. Yet shall the Institutions of that same Utah, or of her people, out weigh all this — have more present influence in the destinies of the world, and abide and give laws and religion to man, when the best of mere human, civil, political, moral, social and religious institutions has ceased to be, and its memory only shadowed forth in the dim history of the past.
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:51amsorry about the duplicate…
Report Post »crazyrightwingmom
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 7:38amSo?
Report Post »You are one sick angry person…get some help.
justin.blake
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 3:05pm@Spin…let me see here….that quote came at a time when the Mormon Church was forced to LEAVE the United States that was supposed to be a place where religious freedom was protected. I digress…anyway, they were forced to leave upon pain of death. So why would they not basically say..”Forget you people, we are gonna make our own place out here and you can go on your merry way without us! And you know what? We will be better in the end that you will ever be with all your worldwide influence” Sounds more like a pep talk to the people than some sinister plan to rule the world. READ the freaking quote man…sheesh!
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:15amLol, Chris Christie is awesome. I love his in your face style when confronting idiots.
Report Post »screw
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:14pmskewered
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:31pm@ Justin, agree 100%. It is what it sounds like to me in context as well. Also, quite interesting our foreign policy as he describes it hasn’t changed much. Do you think the leftist statist media will present your excellent analysis as a counterpoint to their distortions?!? Well done. I hope you are right. Keep in mind that one is tame. Some of their other pep talks were a bit more, how should I say, boisterous?!? Thankfully, they dropped the oath of vengeance and the penalties from the endowment. Keep thinking. Speak up! Only an honest dialogue and gentle persuasion will change this world. Welcome to the campfire.
Report Post »Clara88
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:11amI like Christie but NOOOO WAYYYY Romney. Romney is the establishment’s pick. The tea party worked too hard to win in 2010 to stop now. We refuse to have another McCain disaster. Ya‘ll aren’t choosing OUR candidate for us. I support Gov Rick Perry for President 100% and i put my money where my mouth is.
The only fiscal conservative and the only one with the GUTS on the stage to call em as he sees em…Obama you are a SOCIALIST…YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
Perry For President
Report Post »http://www.rickperry.org/
SwimmingUpStream
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:17amI agree…NO WAY ROMNEY! RON PAUL 2012!!!
Report Post »Clara88
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:19amNewt’s flier…..Not Romney
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/01/07/not-romney/
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:29amClara,
Thanks but I have my own reasons…
I am familiar with original Mormon doctrine, since I used to teach it as a missionary to polygamist in Salt Lake City, UT, including prophecies of its early leaders which include their plans to subvert the United States to establish a “Mormon Caliphate”. See the works of Edward Decker among others on the plans for an LDS theocracy in America or parallels b/w Mormonism and Islam.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Glenn-Beck-and-Mitt-Romney-by-Ed-Decker-091211-386.html
A similar screed except I don’t want any money… just your attention and for you to share the message with others.
Report Post »http://www.exposemittromney.com/letter.html
Clara88
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:37amTea!!!!!!!!!!
Follow Rick Perry
GovernorPerry Sweet tea @ the Beacon Drive- In hit the spot in Spartanburg, SC. Great enthusiastic crowd!
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Report Post »rocktruth
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:19amChristie could beat Obama but not Romney. Christie knows his playing cards, that if Romney wins the primary, Obama will serve another 4 years and will give him the opportunity to run against Obama in 2016. So Romney‘s loss to Obama will be Christie’s ticket The White House.
Report Post »Clara88
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:02pmWhat Obama will throw at Romney if Romney is the nominee
http://youtu.be/_evS-T-c35M
Report Post »rocktruth
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 3:30pmSorry,
Report Post »I didn’t mean Christie will run against Obama but another democrat in 2016 if Romney wins the primary.
justin.blake
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 5:29pmOk Spin, first of all, your link to “expose mitt romney” is just a hit piece on him and Mormonism as a whole, filled with the same, tired old anti-mormon rhetoric that has been hashed over for years. Second of all, Your approach to describing Mormonism and elucidating all on the sneaky underpinnings of that Church smacks of the overzealous diatribe most commonly associated with the Evangelical sub-sect of Protestant Christianity. If you are not a part of their movement, it would surprise me.
Report Post »Either way, it is clear you have a deep well of disdain for the ‘Mormon” approach to Christianity, and feel a need to denigrate said religion. I have never understood why some people who leave a church spend so much time and energy trying to destroy or marginalize what they have left behind. Your “I was a missionary so I know” stance really has no credence here. How does anyone know you really were what you say? And why should anyone take stock in your arguments when they are so clearly anti-Mormon that you have left the side of reason and rational thought and have fallen into the void of conspiracy theory and religious bigotry?
Wait a sec…its all those who believe Mormonism that are the duped ones right? The brainwashed, confused masses…many of whom are respected, highly educated and contributors to their communities. Yeah…right. They are all really just blind and stupid…now THAT is reasonable and logical, isn’t it? \sarcasm off
neverending
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:07amLove this guy – talk about a backbone – He is the man. So wish he was in the race. This country needs him – don’t agree with him on everything but he makes most of the others look like a bunch of wimps!
Report Post »vtxphantom
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:04amI don’t much care for Christi, but he is doing what he does best here. He shouts down the protestors and turns it around to them and obama. Score one for establishment Republicans.
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:48amVTXPHANTHOM, Isn‘t it frustrating that the choices that we have just don’t quite fit the criteria that we need so desperately? Someetimes I almost scream at the TV. Paul is definitely not qualified, I don’t like Romney,And I am not sure of Newt and Perry. I like Snatorim but I don’t think he can debate with the strength needed to beat Obama. It’s hair pulling at times . I will vote for who ever is chosen but I just don’t have a strong or positive feeling for any of them.
Report Post »Windwalker
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:09am@Pamela Kay….I think your stance is exactly in line with most conservatives who will be voting in 2012. No candidate will ever rise to perfection. At least not one of these Republican candidates whether Roman Catholic, Mormon, or whatever running for POTUS sympathizes with a religion that encourages and condones blowing oneself to bits to further there cause and elevate themselves in the after life, and don’t forget people that IS what is sitting @ 1600 Pennsylvania Ave as I type.
Report Post »the-republic-can
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:04amI liked Chris Christy until he endorsed Mitt Romney. I can’t stomach flip-floppin, no backbone Romney. GO RICK SANTORUM… GO!!!!!
Report Post »dcart888
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:14amReagan changed his mind and we love him but you have Romney? Do your homework please:
Report Post »Santorum is NOT a Reagan conservative http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/07/santorum-isnt-a-reagan-conservative/
JPDevuyst
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:19amReally? Big gov‘t conservative over smaller gov’t romney? Hmm…
Report Post »rocktruth
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:27amThe Media & Democrats love Romney because Obama will crush him if he becomes the republican candidate. There NO question in my mind that Obama can’t wait to debate Romney and eat him for breakfast, lunch and dinner. If you don‘t agree then you’re strongly delusional. You will look back and hear a small voice in your head “YOU IDIOT” you fell for the trap.
NEWT + SANATORIUM might well be the best ticket to beat Obama. But SANATORIUM is my favorite.
Report Post »cologoddess
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:04amYou gotta love that man… I do worry about his weight tho… Don’t want to lose him early. He is too important to this Country.
Report Post »gogogoff
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:03amy’all should watch Romney OWNING an OWS protester after the McCain endorsement.
Report Post »THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:03amRomney in action…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_evS-T-c35M&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Report Post »gogogoff
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:08amHOW DARE HE USE CAPITALISM! Newt would rather he use Socialism, no one loses their job, till everyone does.
Report Post »Got2bRoni
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:27amLol “gangrene”or Paul zombies are morons. This video is hilarious.
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 6:00amWow what a stoopid Mitt Romney HIT PIECE by NEWT GINGRINCH. I am not voting for Mitt, Ron Paul’s my man, but this is just garbage. It felt bad the whole way through. the PAC that is trying to get Newt elected is smearing Mitt. Surprise.
Report Post »Jesse
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:59amRomney/Christie 2012!!!!!
Report Post »larrylarrylarry
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:10amThat is a good combination.
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 6:01amYeah it does sound pretty good. But I think Ron Paul would do a better job of slashing waste.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:35amI know I can’t vote for Santorum or Newt. I don‘t like Romney’s policies (seems like a nice enough fellow), but as coordial as Mitt and Ron Paul were to one another during Friday‘s debate I wouldn’t be supprised if there wasn’t some sort of deal struck between them. It’s almost like Mitt told Paul to take the other two down while he sat above the fray looking presidential in return for something. So how about it, would a Romney/Paul ticket be a decent compromise? It would be a wise choise for Romney to pull in people like me and those who like Paul’s domestic policies, but fear his foreign policies. At least it would keep me from writing Ron Paul in.
Report Post »Komponist-ZAH
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:41pm“would a Romney/Paul ticket be a decent compromise?”
Yes. Paul’s smart guy who probably knows the Constitution better than anyone else in DC, and even though he doesn’t stand a chance at the nomination (I do think he’d do pretty well in the general though) because of his foreign policy views (which, while in complete accord the Constitution, are a little idealistic), he would be a great VP—if Romney were smart enough to make him a close adviser, that is.
Report Post »Arc
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:55amThe more dangerous the competition, the dirtier the opponents fight.
Chris Christie has the charisma of a Drill Sgt, the heart of a lion, the brain of genius and the “ moxie ” most men can only dream of. I try to remain unaffiliated until about September, but Christie is about to
Report Post »pull me into his corner. Just wish Romney has some of the fire that Christie has. Long live the REPUBLIC
V-MAN MACE
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:04amGun Grabber Christie endorses Obamacare Romney. This isn’t news, this is predictable.
Both of them are fake conservatives (Neocons- AKA RINOS).
Ron Paul 2012
Report Post »the_ancient
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:16amChristie is a 80′s Rock Bank, aka One Hit Wonder
He is good on one topic and one topic only, Government Unions.
Outside of that, he is just another Statist
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 6:34amV-MAN MACE Paul : here is your gun and here is your crack,ludes, Oxycontin,…. What good combo. The Dems told Obama they wouldn’t go after guns (out of fear) That is why Obama pulled fast & furious. Do really think that even a RINO is going to go after guns? Hell no. No one is that stupid unless they want to end their career. National gun control is off the table at the moment. and we don’t Dr LSD to save us.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:49amNeoconCorp
Stop trying to use government to impose your skewed religious trappings onto everyone else. If I want to consume marijuana or any other drug, that’s my prerogative. The government is not my nanny or parent, and neither are you. I feel nothing from your annoyance.
I blow huge clouds of Kush smoke in your direction. Why don’t ya come up and see me sometime?
I’m tired. I’m tired of being admired.
Why don’t you ask Rush Limpjaw about pharmaceutical heroin (oxypoppers)? Heknows a LOT about THAT…
National Gun Control is NOT off the table…gun grabbers are tenacious and stealthy/subversive.
I just had a democratic Councilman in my city – who happens to have a problem passing out drunk in front of city hall in his vehicle (Zach Reed) come out and ask for more gun control on the news last night. This is after the Ohio Supreme Court nullified city ordinances that’re stricter than state laws, such as bans on handguns. We also have the anniversary of Gabby Gifford’s shooting being exploited by GUN SNATCHERS.
These gun-snatchers are also trying to get legislation passed that will apply mandatory Fed background checks and registration of firearms (without your consent) to Straw Purchases at Gun Shows.
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:30amRepub……… a President can’t legalize drugs, and you know that. The Constitution really scares you, doesn’t it?
Report Post »Slowman101
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:53amWay to go Chris Christie. I hope the rumor that he is going to be Romneys choice for VP is true. Obabma is now trying his best to gut our military.
Report Post »thegreatcarnac
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:51amI see the kenyans has his troops out there trying to cause disruptions. These ‘occupy’ azzoles should be all arrested and dumped handcuffed on the white house lawn. That is whose paying them.
Report Post »Got2bRoni
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:49amChristie is the man…
Report Post »Cornel33
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 7:43amGod became man:
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
(The “Word” was made “man.”)
John 1:14
But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Galatians 4:4
Man WILL become part of the God family:
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“Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’?”
John 10:34
“I have said, you are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.”
Psalm 82:6
“because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.”
Romans 8:14
“Yet to all who receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gives the right to become children of God”.
John 1:12
“we are children of God, and what we will be has NOT YET been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him.”
1John3:2