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Record-Breaking Arctic Ice Melt Blamed on Global Warming and Natural Causes

  • The National Snow and Ice Data Center revealed Arctic sea ice has shrank to a record level during this 2012 season.
  • Scientists attribute this mostly to global warming and cite a trend that this is “an indication that the Arctic sea ice cover is fundamentally changing.”
  • Scientists also attribute ice melt to more extreme weather further away, such as droughts, flooding and waves of extreme heat and cold. 
  • A storm earlier this summer did break up some ice that could have helped facilitate the extent of the melt. 
  • Some question whether a record was set in the melt as a whole. 

WASHINGTON (TheBlaze/AP) — Critical ice in the Arctic Ocean shrank to a record low during this melting season, which scientists say can make weather more extreme far away from the poles.

The National Snow and Ice Data Center reported Monday that the extent of Arctic sea ice melted to 1.58 million square miles and is likely to melt more in the coming weeks. That breaks the old record of 1.61 million square miles set in 2007.

Arctic Ice Melt Hits Record Low Breaking 2007 Record | Scientists Cite Global Warming as Cause

Arctic sea ice extent for August 26, 2012 (right) was 4.10 million square kilometers (1.58 million square miles), which was 70,000 square kilometers (27,000 square miles) below the September 18, 2007 daily extent of 4.17 million square kilometers (1.61 million square miles, left). The orange line shows the 1979 to 2000 median extent for that day. The black cross indicates the geographic North Pole. (Image and Caption: National Snow and Ice Data Center)

“By itself it’s just a number, and occasionally records are going to get set,” NSIDC scientist Walt Meier said in a statement. “But in the context of what’s happened in the last several years and throughout the satellite record, it’s an indication that the Arctic sea ice cover is fundamentally changing.”

The North Pole region is an ocean that mostly is crusted at the top with ice. In the winter, the frozen saltwater surface usually extends about 6 million square miles, shrinking in summer and growing back in the fall. Normally sea ice in the Arctic reaches its minimum in mid-September and then starts refreezing. But levels on Sunday shrank 27,000 square miles – about the size of West Virginia – beyond the old record.

Figures are based on satellite records dating back to 1979. The ice center bases its figures on averages calculated over five days.

Arctic Ice Melt Hits Record Low Breaking 2007 Record | Scientists Cite Global Warming as Cause

The graph above shows Arctic sea ice extent as of August 26, 2012, along with daily ice extent data for 2007, the previous record low year, and 1980, the record high year. 2012 is shown in blue, 2007 in green, and 1980 in orange. The 1979 to 2000 average is in dark gray. The gray area around this average line shows the two standard deviation range of the data. The 1981 to 2010 average is in sky blue. (Image and Caption: National Snow and Ice Data Center)

Data center scientist Ted Scambos said the melt can be blamed mostly on global warming from man-made emissions of greenhouse gases. There are natural factors involved too, including a storm that chewed up a significant amount ice earlier this month. But, he said, dramatic summer sea ice losses in all but one year since 2007, continuous thin ice, and warm air temperatures show a pattern that can only be explained by climate change.

“It really does imply that the Arctic is moving to a new state,” said NASA ice systems program scientist Tom Wagner. “The Arctic is changing.”

Still, “climate skeptics” have some other thoughts on the melt. Anthony Watts, who maintains the Watts Up With That blog, wrote Monday more on the topic of the storm that broke up some of this ice to facilitate the melt. Watts calls up the NSIDC announcement of the early August storm pointing out what NSIDC wrote of it at the time:

“While this drop coincided with an intense storm over the central Arctic Ocean, it is unclear if the storm prompted the rapid ice loss.”

Watts says labeling the effect of the storm on ice “unclear”  is “a bit disingenuous.”

Watts also points out that several sources, including his own, held the same forecast of 4.5 million kilometers for sea ice on August 5.

“Clearly NSIDC didn’t expect this storm nor its effects, because if they had, their forecast would have been much lower,” Watts wrote.

In its announcement earlier this month of the storm, NASA described some of the effects it could have:

Arctic storms such as this one can have a large impact on the sea ice, causing it to melt rapidly through many mechanisms, such as tearing off large swaths of ice and pushing them to warmer sites, churning the ice and making it slushier, or lifting warmer waters from the depths of the Arctic Ocean.

“It seems that this storm has detached a large chunk of ice from the main sea ice pack. This could lead to a more serious decay of the summertime ice cover than would have been the case otherwise, even perhaps leading to a new Arctic sea ice minimum,” said Claire Parkinson, a climate scientist with NASA Goddard. “Decades ago, a storm of the same magnitude would have been less likely to have as large an impact on the sea ice, because at that time the ice cover was thicker and more expansive.”

In a second post, Watts goes on to say that he has found indications that no significant record was set in the first place. He cites a couple of NSIDC’s other measuring sensors finding no record was set:

So who to believe? It depends on the method, and who thinks their method is most representative of reality. Measuring sea ice via satellite, especially when you use a single passive sensor system that has been show in the past to have degradation problems and outright failure (which I was told weren’t worth mentioning until they discovered I was right and pulled the plug)  might be a case of putting all your eggs in one basket. I suspect that at some point, we’ll see a new basket that maybe isn’t so worn, but for now, the old basket provides a comfort for those who relish new records, even though those records may be virtual.

Check out Watt’s full post for more of his reasoning here.

Still, NASA chief scientist Waleed Abdalati calls the melt a “substantial step” to the day when there will be no significant sea ice in the Arctic.

“Why do we care?,” Abdalati, an ice scientist, asked. “This ice has been an important factor in determining the climate and weather conditions under which modern civilization has evolved.”

Arctic Ice Melt Hits Record Low Breaking 2007 Record | Scientists Cite Global Warming as Cause

(Photo: AP/Kike Calvo)

Scientists sometimes call the Arctic the world’s refrigerator and this is like leaving the fridge door open, Scambos said.

“This is kind of a knob on global weather,” Wagner said. “We don’t know the impact yet” of fiddling with it.

Scientists say Arctic sea ice helps moderate temperatures further south in the winter and summer. A study earlier this year in the peer-reviewed journal Geophysical Research Letters linked some of the factors behind Arctic sea ice loss to higher probabilities of extreme weather “such as drought, flooding, cold spells and heat waves.”

Scientists also say sea ice is crucial for polar bears and other animals.

Wagner said the changes in Arctic sea ice fits with glacier loss in Alaska and Canada and ice loss in Greenland. Earlier this summer, NASA satellites reported a dramatic melt in Greenland, where nearly every part of its massive ice sheet started melting. It is an event that last happened in 1889 but a NASA scientist said it occurs an average of every 150 years, which would be this more recent melt close to on target.

Ohio State University ice scientist Jason Box has been monitoring Greenland, where he said temperatures have sometimes been 9 to 18 degrees warmer than normal this summer and the ice is reflecting far less heat – and thus absorbing more energy – than ever before.

Global warming physics for years has been saying if greenhouse gases are causing climate change, the Arctic will feel it first with loss of sea ice and melt in snow and ice on land, Box said.

“We’re in a declining trend because the Earth is getting warmer,” Scambos said. “It’s going to continue to be a series of shrinking ice extents year by year… We’re not going back.”

This story has been updated to include more information. 

Comments (98)

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  • ripple effect
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:47am

    This looks like they are basing this on about 30 years of data. This would be like creating a graph of the composition of the Earths crust because we analyzed a spoonfull of dirt.

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    • Detroit paperboy
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 9:47am

      Also known as summertime…….

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    • pdw
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 10:04am

      Just mother -nature’s thermostat working like it is suppose to by sending ice into the oceans to cool off the rest of our planet. They have known this for a very long time but it does not put any money into their budgets for more research.

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    • JRook
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 10:14am

      Don’t worry about it as the skeptics have always covered themselves by hedging that it may all be a natural occurrence. And no reason to think we are accelerating a natural trend. The fisheries in the ocean would have certainly declined on their own. The vortexes in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans are natural occurrences. No need to worry about the Texas size garbage plumes that we have put there. As Ann Coulter would ignorantly state, “we have dominion over earth, its ours, do with it what you will, rape it” Clearly, she is the scientists we all should listen to.

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    • caveman74
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 11:21am

      this just in. ice melts in the summer….OH MY GOSH WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE…but wait in an odd announcement scientists expect the ice to inexplicably return sometime around october or november. That sounds like climate change to me. They better hurry up and figure out who to tax so they can stabalize this whole thing

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 11:39am

      @ jrook

      Agree with your sarcasm. It’s amazing that people willingly close their eyes to even the remotest of possibilities that we might be adding to climate change in some even minor way. A normal, intelligent, caring populace would at least think, “what if we’re wrong?” but not these climate-changing deniers… many of whom believe the earth is only 6000 years old and no matter what we do we cannot harm it. If they’re wrong, not a big deal … they’ll just find another planet to move to and colonize. Idiots

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    • Mr. H.
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 2:41pm

      Exactly! It’s the middle of summer in the northern hemisphere. Ice melts in the summer time. This analysis says things are working as usual. Just as they have for 10,000 years.

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  • paperpushermj
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:40am

    Riddel me this:
    Who’s to say that the Ice was beneficial to the Health of the Polar Bears population ? Maybe the Ice made the catching of Seals harder, by spreading seals further out with less density across huge areas. Maybe without all that Ice, seals will have to congregate in large groups on land, now that makes Hunting far easier for the Bear would it not?

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    • Deuteronomy22
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:59am

      Well the USGS for one ” Our analysis of those data has shown that longer ice-free seasons have resulted in reduced survival of young and old polar bears and a population decline over the past 20 years. Recent observations of cannibalism and unexpected mortalities of prime age polar bears in Alaska are consistent with a population undergoing change.”. Alaska.usgs.gov

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    • paperpushermj
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 2:18am

      That possible. But maybe those points go toward bears playing by the old rules. Maybe with less Ice, some bears will make the adjustment and learn where the seal populations are now building. You would have to admit raiding seal herds on land would produce more food for the number of calories spent.

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  • shandog
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:31am

    Tell this to the guys on “Deadliest Catch” who couldn’t finish crab fishing until late May of this year due to unusual amounts of ice in the Bering sea. Global Warming is a hoax. When I was in school in the 70′s they said we were heading for another ice age…..

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    • Deuteronomy22
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 2:08am

      More ice broke free due to warmer temperatures. Your conclusion is exactly the opposite of the reality.

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    • Quagmir
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 3:56am

      Is this the same warmer temps that left villages without heating oil and had to bring in Russian Ice breakers to get the oil delivered? Was this the warmer temps that brought about record snowfall to Alaska?

      Going off of memory here but I why is “global warming” (which always seems to be regional or local warming) always blamed for anything but a perfect summer/winter/sping/fall day?

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 11:41am

      @ shandog

      Climate change is backed up by hard data. It is not a hoax. What causes it is unknown … there are theories, but they’re just that, theories. What baffles me is people like you who seem to know beyond all doubt that A.) there is no climate change and B.) if there was it’s 100% certain that man is not causing nor adding to it.

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    • bornbitter
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:21pm

      @JHRUSKY
      Global Warming has concrete data backing it, fully agreed. ANTHROPOMORPHIC Global Warming, however, is not concretely supported in any way. That’s the hoax. Yes, the earth is warming, no, we are not warmer than we’ve ever been even in the last 5K years, (Eric the Red etc. grew wheat in Greenland – and agriculture across all of Eurasia was so good population exploded because food could be grown all over, and we’re still not there yet), and every projection for Anthropomorphic global warming (AGW) has failed. We‘ve changed an incredible amount of the earth’s surface with no effect discernible enough to accurately predict changes.

      It isn‘t that we deny ’climate change’, it is that we deny that there is proof that mankind is doing anything grand enough to effect such great change, let alone that we know enough of our own global climate to spend trillions of dollars to ‘fix’ it. Of course AGW is a scam. Don‘t accept evidence of GW to ignore what’s written on the wall. A good scam is based on something true mixed with lies in which enrich at the expense of others… and leaves the original problem unchanged.

      Sure ‘climate change’ is a problem, one mankind has faced, adapted to, or compensated for before, and will conquer again. All “Science” has proven is that they don’t know what they are doing. So, let‘s play government and take everyone’s money so we can throw cash at the problem, without knowing what if we’re hurting or helping.

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    • paperpushermj
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:16pm

      @born
      Well said, although your words will fall on the deaf ears of the chest beating hair pulling crowd.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:19pm

      @ bornbitter

      If you read my post, you’d have seen that I stated, “What causes it is unknown … there are theories, but they’re just that, theories.”

      I agree that we do not know that man is adding to the problem. He COULD be, but we don’t know that. Additionally, if you’ve read any of my other posts, I am against this stupid carbon tax which is nothing but a scam for specific people to steal more money.

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  • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:28am

    Comparing the two pictures, I see about the same volume of ice, just moved to different places.
    Negligible.

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    • Quagmir
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 4:02am

      The pictures seem the same in volume because they are the same….. did you read the article which points out that 07 and 12 are the worst years on record and 12 is about to pass 07…. this would make them look the same volume wise.

      Sorry to sound like an arse because I dont believe the hype. This is based on 30 years of data after all. and the averages they use in the chart, one doesnt use 1980 (the most ice on record) and the other doesnt even go beyond 2000. you have data from 79 to 2011, put it together…

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  • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:25am

    Did parts of the East or West coast get flooded out like Algore said they would?

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:13pm

      algore is an idiot and I think most people know he espouses what puts money in his pockets.
      That said, it certainly does seem like there is climate change going on. It’s not global warming, and it’s not snowball earth, but something is changing. Some of it is certainly cyclic. Some may not be. Do we really want to take a chance on having to say, ‘Oops’ a hundred years from now? While it may not affect us, nor our children, it could affect our grandchildren.

      This is NOT to be radical and say we must do A or B immediately … this is to say we need to continue to provide research to move toward renewable energy and make it affordable for all (not with prices necessarily skyrocketing, but with helping get the cost down by normal, mass-production and technological advances).

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  • RaydocX
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:23am

    Fighting the Natural Phenomena is why NOAA/ NWS needed all those hollowpoints.

    seriously, the fjords and ravines of Alaska were formed by the movement– the advance and recession– of glaciers. Acting like ice has always been there in that form and amount is ridiculous.

    but in today’s world, all it takes is a fancy powerpoint show, and a sympathetic media, and you can tell LIES until the simple majority, who expect leaders and ‘authorities’ to tell the truth, believe them to be facts…

    How long before we see more blurbs about the polar bears dying off, irregardless of the truth… before Sigourney Weaver offers us some heartwrenching narrative describing the ‘last six weeks’ of some whale’s trek home, when the whale in question was seen only as long as filming was done.

    ok, so there’s ice melt… but it’s unnaturally cold in other places. It’s CYCLICAL. When our kids are our age, the ‘authorities’ trying to geomanage mankind will be warning of an ice age.

    we need to stop trying to control everything and focus on reasonable coservation… don’t ban all clearing/ logging… that leads to horrific forest fires. don’t ban a pipeline outright… it leaves new habitat for wildlife. The knee jerk ‘get the courts to intervene’ has to stop, but to stop it CONSERVATIVES have to keep their kids heads on straight and encourage they take back our schools and our judicial system. the media is just the flash. We need to focus on substance.

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  • bobdog19006
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:21am

    Basing your decisions about global warming on the past 200 years makes as much sense as looking at July’s weather and declaring that another ice age is coming.

    In geological time, the earth warms up, the earth cools down. Ebb and flow. It all averages out. CO2 levels and global temps have been dramatically higher several times in the past, and dramatically colder several times in the past, whether there was anybody to write headlines about it to scare the little kids or not.

    The difference this time is that people are trying to turn it into a money making venture. Whether Americans give trillions to Zimbabwe or not, the earth is going to either get warmer or it’s going to get colder. When India and China, the two biggest polluters on the planet, agree to abide by any international accord on climate change, come see me. I’ll still tell you to go to hell.

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  • woodyee
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:17am

    What’s this? It’s summer and the ice is melting? Say it ain’t so!

    The trouble with these “climate wonks” is that they’ve repeated the lie so often, no one will believe them, yet they‘ve convinced themselves it’s true. Quite a dilemma.

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    • KickinBack
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 2:19am

      And these wonks all seem to hibernate during the winter. Except for the full timers making a pretty penny off this fantasy like Gore, they just fly to the lands down under and carry on the crusade.

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  • v15
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:56am

    I rock climbed in the sunshine all day even though the Meteorologist said there would be a 100% chance of rain all day.

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    • woodyee
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:19am

      The meteorologist also said it was 5:00pm, only not in my part of the globe…

      Azwipes can’t predict the weather noe day to the next, but they’re going to tell us EVERY TEN YEARS, that we’ve got ten years left before the end of the world…

      Yet today, there are STILL fools who believe them…just wait a few minutes; they’ll be here…

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    • sillyfreshness
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:19am

      And the Western US is a prime example of global warming created by dinosaur farts. That whole area up to Utah was underwater millions of years ago. Is that climate change good enough to anyone?

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  • Songbird
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:54am

    I believe by things I’ve read thru out the years—this is a nature cycle. BUT I do know that geo-engineering is going on and that could be the real problem.

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  • sligresda
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:54am

    in other breaking news: greenland was once green!

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  • cookcountypatriot
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:53am

    its perfect when you think about it…the earth is suffering a drought …so the poles let off ice to make more moisture and it repleishes its dry earth through the form of a hurricaine…not good for us ..but good for the earth

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  • vtxphantom
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:51am

    Just curious, but what is happening to ice and snow in other polar regions. We do live on a dynamic earth. The snow and ice does not remain constant.

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  • Smokey_Bojangles
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:49am

    Does that mean The Ice Age aint coming back?

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  • thegreatcarnac
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:47am

    Global warming is simply due to sun activity. That activity seems to be cyclicle like everything else. Greenland at one time was pretty “green”. Vikings had settlements there and grew crops there. This lated a little less than 200 years and suddenly cold returned and no more crops could grow. The Vikings left…abandoning their dwellings..which are still there today. We are in a high sun-activity time and a lot of storms on the face of the sun are causing heat waves on earth.

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    • HOOT_OWL
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 4:33am

      That makes sense to me ,heat from the sun makes the earth hot.
      But try to tell that to the bear hugging Gorebots.

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    • stumpy68
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 8:54am

      Great idea lets by them all one way tickets to the first annual hug a polar bear day.

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  • cookcountypatriot
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:46am

    whew thats perfect timing…lol a hurricaine and the great ice melt of ought 12..lol…all before the progressive convention..

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  • The-Monk
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:32am

    Looks pretty simple to me. May comes along with warmer weather and the ice melts. Then August comes around and the ice starts freezing again. No big deal here. Now how about those temps from way back when Al Gore bought that $9M mansion on the coast that is supposed to be under 20 feet of water very soon? Oh, no data? What did Gomer Pyle use to say? Oh yea….

    Surprise, surprise, surprise…..

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    • DEFCON4
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:20am

      Hey Monk, As you were just saying: ihttp://youtu.be/Nu0ZpE9bQGcng :

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:45am

      @DEFCON4

      I think you miss-read me. I said Gomer Pyle and you responded with Edie Murphy.

      No surprise here… : (

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    • DEFCON4
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 2:16am

      Monk, did not miss read You! I Apologize. This was a reply to a post last night on a thread about “Negrohood”. I was trying to post a youtube video surprise Gomer Pyle link. Again , rookie u-tube mistake……

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  • bornagaincowgirl
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:32am

    Oh, its going to get hot. These are the end times. : )

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    • sligresda
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:51am

      NOOO we are all gonna DIE….errrm, never mind, my sources tell me that would happen anyway. So it happens sooner rather than later, whaddya scred?

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  • MrButcher
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:29am

    Roll with it, baby.

    Change happens.

    We are subject to elemental forces that are beyond our control and most of our understanding.

    That is what makes life fun!

    This makes some scared and nervous.

    Some seek solace in religion
    Some seek solace in science

    The poles may shift tomorrow and a mute point could be muted forever.

    So what.

    The earth will keep on spinning.
    ——–
    now that’s sexy

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:46am

      Poles have shifted in the past w/o terrible repercussions on animal life. Poles shift naturally every so many years. Yawn…

      The planet also warms and cools on about a 1500 year cycle. Yawn…

      Unbunch the panties now.

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  • Chancellor
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:27am

    Lies built upon lies by Liars………Funny how you forgot to mention the coldest snowiest winter since recording started in parts of Alaska and Canada!

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  • endthemindlessspending
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:22am

    I love how much global warming effected my area for 90% of the summer it has been in the 80′s or lower in temperature. This is the Hershey PA, when I remember farming in 90 to 100 degree temps for years in the 1990′s. Hey scientists maybe the Earth just changes temp every so often for a billion reasons thats you can’t even understand. I love how they think they know everything, when they don’t know jackshyt. As for me, I don’t want to go back to the so called Little Ice Age and have it snowing in June. I wish just one time they would take the democrat tool out of their mouth and say, this is what I was paid to say so my test show this.

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  • scout n ambush
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:21am

    And they are calling for a record breaking cold winter with record snowfall

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  • Exrepublisheep
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:14am

    Natural rhythm, made worse by man. Mostly China, who we can’t control.

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  • TJexcite
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:13am

    Also known as Summer. Come back in December and then see how much ice is there.

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    • Cbell4
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:26am

      Am I the only person who watched deadliest catch? The sea ice ruined the season and all of the fishermen were shocked. They all said it was a once in a life time ice experiene. How does that fit into global warming?

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    • CatB
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:27am

      Exactly .. ice comes and ice goes … same with all weather .. what is the proper temp for the Earth?

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    • CatB
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:30am

      btw .. they are still saying that T.S. Isaac is headed to N.O.as a hurricane … it looks to me more like Texas .. maybe I should be an “expert” … we should know soon who is right….

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:09am

    funny, for the last few thousand years normal conservative people have thought of this as “SUMMER”.

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