Recruiter Pressure? Young Man Seeking Army Entry Dies After Extreme Dieting
- Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:04pm by
Emily Esfahani Smith
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VERMILION, Ohio (AP/THE BLAZE) — A man trying to get into the Army lost 63 pounds in less than four months – an extreme diet that helped lead to his death – and the Army says it is now investigating his mother’s allegation that military recruiters had coached him on how to shed weight.
Glenni “Glenn” Wilsey V, of Vermilion, had started losing weight before he talked to recruiters in December and died earlier this month, 7 pounds short of his goal.
The Army said it couldn’t comment on whether recruiters advised the 20-year-old on his weight-loss regimen. But Wilsey’s mother, Lora Bailey, said her son told her he was following recruiters’ advice, including self-induced vomiting.
She said she pleaded with him to stop the extreme dieting. She told the Chronicle Telegram that her son’s regiment consisted of eating only 800 calories a day, purging after meals, and extreme exercise.
“At that time, he was also told, coached, suggested, prodded — whatever word needs to be used — that ‘If you eat a big meal, it is OK to vomit that back up,’” his mother said.
“By the third week in January, he was still not losing enough for them quickly enough — he was still doing the 800-calorie-a-day diet, and he was still wearing the waist band and the waist band did not work, so he put on a scuba diving suit under his two layers of sweat shirts and sweat pants and was told to run at an uphill incline for an hour and a half to two hours every other day on an 800-calorie-a-day diet,” she said.
“He’d say, ‘Mom, these guys know what they’re talking about.’ He believed what the recruiters were telling him over what I was telling him,” she said.
Bailey told The Associated Press on Friday that her son once weighed as much as 280 pounds but had trimmed down to about 260 by December when he contacted recruiters and started dieting in earnest. He had enlisted Feb. 11, but his weight delayed his deployment. He weighed 197 pounds at the time of his death.
Bailey told The Associated Press that she wasn‘t blaming the individual recruiters but felt the Army’s weight goals were at fault and wants the issue addressed to protect future recruits.
Lorain County Coroner Dr. Paul Matus blamed Wilsey’s March 3 death on an irregular heartbeat due to electrolyte imbalance with a contributing factor of dieting.
The Army investigation was ordered by the commander of the Cleveland Recruiting Battalion.
Douglas Smith, spokesman for the Army Recruiting Command headquarters in Fort Knox, Ky., said Friday the matter was under investigation. He expressed condolences to the family but said he couldn’t comment in detail.
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Comments (94)
Bronco II
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 5:50pmI have my doubts about this story big time.If a recruiter told him this then they need to take it up with him and him alone and not once again try to smear our Military.
Report Post »KL
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 5:45pmWhy do people always find someone to blame, other than themselves, for their OWN actions? He has only himself to blame. Period.
Report Post »BallisticBob
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 4:50pm“By the third week in January, he was still not losing enough for them quickly enough — he was still doing the 800-calorie-a-day diet, and he was still wearing the waist band and the waist band did not work, so he put on a scuba diving suit under his two layers of sweat shirts and sweat pants and was told to run at an uphill incline for an hour and a half to two hours every other day on an 800-calorie-a-day diet,” she said.”
Really?
This guy couldn’t figure out on his own that this was probably a terrible idea???????????????
Report Post »commentkazi
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 4:43pmCondolences to the family. On a separate, but related note, I’d be interested in hearing first hand accounts of what pressure recruiters are currently experiencing to “put kids in boots”.
Is it harder now due to the duration of the war(s)?
Is it easier because the economy is in the crapper?
Any have any idea on this?
Report Post »parra5143
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 5:07pmListen dummies, recruiters are not under any pressure right now! We are trying to downsize right now. On the active duty side the Army is trying to eliminate 49,000 soldiers through various programs. The Army is actually being very nice about it. The Army met its recruiting quota halfway through this past fiscal year, that is Army wide, not just ceartain battalions around the country.
Report Post »varptr
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 4:29pmTaking personal responsibility for yourself and your health is tough. Every day millions of people die from bad choices. Oddly, diet advice by an army recruiter is right in there with medical advice from Charlie Sheen. Expecting good choices from people is not a given. It is part of what makes America great, why we have dietitians and doctors, but it is also part of why so many struggle in the US. Watch television, Oprah, Kirstie Alley, Whoopie Goldberg, even Charlie Sheen demonstrate that choices are important and that listening to experts can help. This fellow needed professional dietary advice. He didn‘t get it and he didn’t realize it. No one intervened. And life is unforgiving. Tomorrow it will be some red haired, cussing, feckless, and rejected female drug user from Cleveland joining the Mujahideen. If her friends don’t care enough to save her, she too will be lost, blown up in an obscure subway, dead from an overdose, or far worse. Ya gotta help people but the trick is to not fall into the pit yourself. Some people are just awfully far over the edge!
Report Post »varptr
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 4:46pmThe state is not in a position to care. Like the postal department or the VA or the bureau of motor vehicles, without a miracle, most low level bureaucrats are only there for the paycheck or to please the state. The notion, “the customer is always right”, is a capitalist concept. The state is not customer centric, they should be but they are not. And the span of control and the number of levels between management and worker is usually staggering. So yet another low level bureaucratic Nanny state employee gave bad advice, are you kidding me? Nanny wins the day, now there would be a headline, the old Soviet Union would come back from the dead on the mere rumor..
Report Post »armywife987
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 4:25pmI would blame the recruiter not the Army. There are weight requirements for a reason. The army is not behind the actions of this recruiter. The recruiter was just making a quota. Sad to say he could have cared less about this young man. Due to the physical aspects of being a soldier especially deployed weight and health is important to the safety of ones self and the unit. Imho I hope she takes pride in knowing she raised an awesome son and if proven blame the bad advice of one person.
Report Post »Tyler520
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 4:13pmI am sorry for the man and the mother, but I see no evidence that he was told to do this. I am far more inclined to believe that the grieving mother is simply trying to find something to blame in her despair
Report Post »TJexcite
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 3:58pmIf there was ever a draft they would have to raises the weight limits as that would be the first way to get out of duty and be to heavy.
If someone was risking there life by losing so much so fast just to get in. One would wonder what type of risk he would take and be once he is in. Even if he was at the right weight he might not pass the psychological tests.
Report Post »mossbrain
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 3:31pmThat guy probably had a weight problem from having an overbearing nag of a mother. Look at that picture with the nag mother clinging to his arm. That’s not a normal pose for a mother and son. She is wearing one of those sweat suits, maybe she was the one advising him on dieting and she is trying to pass the blame to the military, Obviously the mom was the cause of his weight problem and probably he purposely killed himself to get away from her clinging emotional burden.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 11:06pmDid the same thing happen to Cindy Shehans kid? Did he just want to get away from her bad enough?
Report Post »Ozymandias
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 3:29pmThis is not a result of an aggressive Army recruiter but the idea of “have it now” that is responsible for the death. Besides anyone dumb enough to listen to an Army recruiter and then believe what they say are in for a monumental disappointment in all aspects of life. It is unfortunate that this fine young man to “the road MOST travelled by” hoping for a quick fix without regard to the consequences. The recruiter probably did not tell him that the “weeding out” process in the Army comes with the Infantry MOS.
Report Post »razeus1
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 3:15pmI agree, the headline is Totally misleading…At 20 yrs old he is Not a “young boy!” Young man is the accurate title.
Report Post »As to the rest of the story, I think the recruiters and the young man share the blame. If the recruiters hadn‘t alledgedly told him to do this perversion of a diet and the young man hadn’t followed them to the exclusion of others advise, well who’s to say.
The Bushmaster
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 3:06pmIn my opinion the military has some unrealistic weight standards for initial enlistments. You take an 18 yr old kid who wieghs 220 lbs going into basic tng will lose 30 lbs of that weight by the time he graduates 8 wks later anyway just from the stress of being away from home and a whole new lifestyle of not having a frige to snack out of , moving constantly, and all this while eating 3 good meals per day.
Report Post »9111315
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 3:21pmNo! America if fat. The military can only work with what it can get — so it does.
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 3:06pmSeriously, there’s something very wrong with the recruiters, or the methodology. Sincere condolences to this family.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 3:03pmI realize we are in a 24/7 news cycle, but let’s not try to find controversy for its own sake. But then again that describes 90% of what appears here.
Report Post »quicker
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:53pmThe milatary uses a liberal bodyweight index.In 1974 when I entered service my weight was 135.By the time I got out of the army I weighed 245.I had my last pt test 8 days before my discharge.Out of a possible 500 points I scored 475.The event was a timed event envoling running between hurdles and jumping a ditch.On the way back I fell in the ditch.I was in pretty darn good shape.But by todays standards I would be over weight. I`m only 5`10“.God bless this young man and his family.
Report Post »warrior21
Posted on March 27, 2011 at 11:15amNot sure what Army you were in. I retired in 1976 and took the Army PT test 4 months before retiring. At that time the PT test consisted of pull-ups, sit- ups, push-ups, squat jumps and a one mile run. In my 26 years I never heard of one consisting of running between hurdles and ditches. You gained a hundred and ten pounds? Hard to believe! During the seventies the “Fat Man’s Program” was in effect. How did the miss you?
Report Post »quicker
Posted on March 27, 2011 at 5:39pmAdd your comments
Report Post »quicker
Posted on March 27, 2011 at 5:48pmI guess it may matter to which post you were on.Push up situp 1 mile run run dogde and jump hoz ladders .Also did a lot of weight lifting,put on most my size that way.Weigh around 300 now.some fat but when I grab on to something it moves
Report Post »hcartexas
Posted on March 27, 2011 at 6:25pmI was in the Army as well…. your PT test sounds made up… and 5′10” 245 is fat. I was a lean 220 at 6′3” and the heaviest guy i ever saw in my unit was around 280.. but he stood 6′6”. The only way you would’ve gained that much weight would to have been a remf.. in a support position…. we ran EVERY morning except Sunday.. so gaining that kinda weight just isnt feasible…..
besides the Army standards have been, pushups, situps, and run…. the pull ups have also been a standard now and then…. but NEVER a ditch?? wtf?
Report Post »quicker
Posted on March 27, 2011 at 7:08pmSorry guys was stationed at Fort Eustis Va.The last Compiny I was in was a detachment to post Hq.1st Railway detachment.Was in 74 to 77,I may have slept since then ,but still remenber that last pt test.And still don`t remember pullups.As I enlisted at 17 ,i still hadn`t reach full grouth.My dad was the same way.Didn`t tell you no tall tale.Just the truth.On my word.
Report Post »warrior21
Posted on March 28, 2011 at 1:10pmQuicken, pull-ups have always been part of the PT test as they test your upper body strength. As far as I can remember the horizontal ladder was only used on the confidence course. I have taken many, many PT tests as my time was spent in Airborne units. In any case, at 245 you were overweight and should have been enrolled in the Fat man’s program.
Report Post »chickenlittle
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:46pmThe headline says “young boy”??????? 20 years old and not smart enough to follow his own mother’s advice. I do feel sorry for the incident, and the recruiter has no business advocating such advice, but at some point personal responsibility has to take precedence. It’s not like there is a shortage of information out there on this dangerous practice. Are you gonna sue ALL the car companies for driving their cars like they show off in all the TV ads? … their fast, fine print advisories not withstanding.
Report Post »LadyIzShy
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:44pmwhat a sad shame
Report Post »Coyote6
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:43pmThe Army weight control program is completely out of wack. I‘m surprised this doesn’t happen more often.
Report Post »Hobbs57
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 3:19pmI agree… I was in the Air Force, though, 15 years ago now, but we had some pretty lumpy guys who were in Basic. I would imagine the Air Force doesn’t have as tough of weight constraints. For those of you who want to make a political point out of this, shame on you. We have the 2nd largest standing military that is completely voluntary, in the World. Only The Peoples Liberation Army of China is larger.
This is a sad story, but also reflects how dedicated the men and woman who protect our nation truly are. God Bless all of you.
On a better note, for all you Commie loving socialist out there, I HAVE GREAT NEWS for you. I was reading that Russia will grant you citizenship after serving in their military. It is open to foreigners and upon completion of 3 years, yo are then an OFFICIAL COMMIE. Isn’t that great ?? I couldn’t wait to tell you. Even better yet, if there is enough interest, I bet all my fellow Blazers will join me in setting up a fund to pay for your transportation costs to get there. Heck, I bet there would be enough money donated we could even pay for you meals on the way over. Maybe you can even put in a special request in be on the front lines fighting the Democracy you so hate. Wouldn’t that be so cool. Just get a list together and post it, we will raise the money for you to go, no worries..
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:26pmThe kid is responsible for his own actions. Stop the Utopian blame game.
Report Post »Edgar Bennet
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:39pmAgreed. A light should be shown on irresponsible recruiting techniques but ignorance is not a defense. All the information was out there for him
Report Post »parra5143
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 4:52pmWow, do you guys always just believe everything you hear without hearing the evidence? Stop villifying the recruiters. Let the investigation run its course. I know these recruiters are already looked at as being guilty before proven innocent b/c that is how the military is. I doubt they would have given this advice. The Army does not need people that bad. They are actually trying to get rid of fatbodies right now. The recruiters probably turned him away and him and his mother went to extremes to try to get him in.
Report Post »joefboschsr
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:25pmThe question , I believe, is what are the standards the army is going by? This boy was not obese. He is a big boy,. a lineman if I read his jersey number correctly. Is the army only using a weight number? If so, not one Professional lineman in the nfl, and half the linebackers would never make it in. Are you going to say they are obese? Would Michelle Obama want to control their dinners too? With todays technology and knowledge. maybe someone should update the criteria the army is using when it comes to new recruits.
Report Post »Brooke Lorren
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 10:21pmI believe for getting into the military, it’s only the number that matters. After you’re in, they can measure you. Still, it doesn’t always accurately measure how fat (or muscular) you are.
Report Post »FlameCCT
Posted on March 28, 2011 at 1:05pmThe Army, like all services, have height/weight standards. They also use body fat standards.
Report Post »Amateur_Radio_Operator
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:20pmAs a prior Air Force Recruiter I can attest that this is not condoned behavior by any recruiting command. This is heartbreaking and my heart goes out to his mother.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:26pmThank you.
Report Post »It’s nice to hear from a recruiter, and nice that you don’t condone the advice.
teddrunk
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:18pmActually 280 isn’t that big. Is the Army saying that their West Point offensive and defensive linemen are 260 or less? Heck, at 280 he would of been the lightest kid on my kids high school team offensive line.
Report Post »FlameCCT
Posted on March 28, 2011 at 1:02pmBody-Fat standards for Army Male Soldiers are:
Age 17-20 – 20%
Age 21-27 – 22%
Age 28-39 – 24%
Age 40+ – 26%
Army standards for height/weight, age 17-20:
Report Post »Height Min. Weight Max Weight
72 140 190
skoz14
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:13pmwhen you only eat 800 calories a day you are going to lose muscle. the body burns 2000 calories (more if you exercise) per day and when you add vigorous exercise to that you are going to die. i dont feel sorry for this idiot at all, there are multiple forums he could have gone to to ask questions about how to lose weight safely… natural selection at its finest
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:11pmThat is so sad. I believe the mother. I believe the boy did what was advised by the recruiter. The recruiter had no business giving diet advice. He should have told the boy to see a doctor about a weight loss program.
This is sad.
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:35pmAgreed.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:40pmYes, it’s sad, but you can’t blame the recruiter. I admire the young man’s dedication and intent, but I believe he may have not exercised enough personal responsibility to conduct the diet with the proper instruction from a knowledgeable instructor or dietitian.
I still think his heart was in the right place. That’s what counts.
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:42pmDitto…because one never knows the emotional stability of a person anyway. People should never diet with the assistance of a doctor unless you are just cutting back a little on portions but even that can get out of hand with some.
Report Post »mhills51
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:52pmNo! no recruiter would of put him on a weight loss detail. If anything the recruiter would of told him he would of lost weight. From the pics he had weight problems and if you follow any woman with these problems they will use any excuse they can find. I have no doubt he told his mother it was the army.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:52pm@Tsunami ~
I do credit the recruiter with blame. It was the recruiter‘s advice that led to the boy’s death.
@MaryLou ~
Report Post »“People should never diet with the assistance of a doctor ”
I think you meant WITHOUT the assistance….
BacktotheFounders
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:58pmDoes anyone have proof that a recruiter actually told him this? How do we know that he didn’t learn purging from a female friend? Girls are often into that kind of thing. How do we know that he didn’t learn the sweat suit business from a buddy? I’ve heard of high school kids doing that kind of thing, one who was outside mowing the lawn every day in 100 degree heat in a sweat suit, trying to make an athletic team.
Does the mom have some motive in this?
It’s hard for me to believe that the army would set itself up to be sued. I will form my opinion when I hear evidence.
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:59pmA lot of people these days are using aggressive methods to loose weight thinking that the more they sweat the more they‘re loosing weight which in fact it’s draining their bodies from water , the same water that the body needs to function properly .
Report Post »Aggressive diets should be monitored by doctors & not by some loons .
Sorry for his loss .
RIP.
TSUNAMI-22
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 3:12pm@ Showtime
I’ll try to better explain my perspective from an aviators point of view.
As a pilot I have the final say as to what I do when I’m the PIC (pilot in command). I won’t let an air traffic controller feed me an instruction that may put me into a situation that I feel is unsafe to me or my passengers. Why? Because when the poop hits the fan I’m the one at the sharp end of the stick, and the one the blame will fall upon.
Just because someone gives bad advice doesn’t make them ultimately responsible for the outcome of following that advice. The responsibility ultimately falls on the person conducting the operation.
I believe the young made made a tactical error in judgment.
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 4:17pmShow,
Most respectfully, the kid was already dieting.
Glenni “Glenn” Wilsey V, of Vermilion, had started losing weight before he talked to recruiters in December and died earlier this month, 7 pounds short of his goal.
I’m not sure what his goal was, whether it was an Army goal or his own personal goal. But I do agree with you that he should have talked to a doctor about a weight loss program.
Report Post »avenger
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 4:19pmthis so stupid….common sense anyone…
Report Post »Dannowood
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 5:18pmTo begin, my heart goes out to this young man and his family. May God be with you. The Drill Instructors are the only qualified personel in charge of diet and excersise. Those that can, do. Those that can’t, recruit.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 10:25pmWOW, that is so wrong – but I believe that the recruiters did advise him to do it as they are under the gun to make quotas every month. Plus we need more recruits. http://wp.me/pYLB7-Nx
Report Post »warrior21
Posted on March 27, 2011 at 5:10amIt is always someone else’s fault. Perhaps the parents should have been advising him before he wanted to join the Army. The Army has a weight limit for a reason. Overweight people can’t pull their load and someone else has to do it for them. Beside we only have the mother’s hearsay that the Army was telling him how to lose weight.
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:09pmWell Michelle will be thrilled with this new weight loss idea. Now if only to get 7 year olds to do it.
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:35pmHe followed some very bad advise. Very sad.
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:52pmThis vomiting thing and other such stupid things are what killed him. Young people are usually pretty tough. I lost 105 pounds in 90 days when I was at his age and only had positive effects, and there was no vomiting involved, just lots of work and less food.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:52pmBad advice indeed; may his family find comfort and strength in this time of bereavment from the Lord and may his memory live on in the lives of all he touched while on earth.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 3:01pmOnly a lost sheep of Glenn Beck would tie this to Michele Obama. Let’s spend some time on the continued lost of young Americans in 2 “wars” we don’t belong in.
CatB
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 3:18pm@JROOK
3 Wars .. or is Obama out of Libya or in .. I don’t know .. what is the latest from our indecisive President? Has he bowed and surrendered yet? .. BTW I thought Obama was going to end the wars, close gitmo and lower the oceans .. How’s that hope and change working out for you?
Too bad someone at the Military, if this is true, doesn’t know that muscle weighs more than fat and someone can be very much in “shape” and not fit in their little charts.
Report Post »9111315
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 3:20pmI also lost 80 pounds in 3 to 4 months. Got a chance to help out if both wars. I think we did a lot of good — gave those people an opportunity for a better life.
Report Post »avenger
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 4:02pmthis is too much..what the hell do they teach in school..where were the parents…the only way to look at this is through the progressive window….just cleaning up the gene pool…
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 4:20pmIs there proof that he was told to eat and puke?
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 4:24pmSo very sad. My heart goes out to his Mom and his family. Just a guy who wanted to serve his country and taking the advice of those he thought were in the know. His Mom says she’s not blaming the recruiters. Even so, the recruiters need to be held accountable for handing out advice they had no business handing out. If the recruiters were following a commanding officer’s instructions; well, that officer needs to be called out and held accountable and on up the ladder until they source is found.. The article says he had already enlisted — he was probably trying to be a good soldier and obey orders. Very Sad!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on March 27, 2011 at 1:55amI guess it’s fun to insult Michelle Obama for even suggesting that American children are too fat. Go fat. But it’s a fact that more than 1/4 of all American youth are too fat to qualify to join serve their country in the military, something of concern to military leaders. Read about it:
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2011/feb/11/michelle-obama/michelle-obama-says-many-too-fat-fight-military/
Yeah Sarah Palin and Rush for saying that fat is good, and how dare Michelle even suggest, as a private citizen that American children should eat a healthier diet. That’s obvious, and you all know that of course. But because you oppose anything the First Lady says, you support America’s fatness. Yea American fat kids! Sarah, bring on the lard!
Report Post »rappini
Posted on March 27, 2011 at 10:49amIt’s amazing to me how gullable the young are today. I understand going Military but that way is too fast what’s the hurry.
Report Post »Navyveteran
Posted on March 28, 2011 at 1:43pmJRook
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 3:01pm
Only a lost sheep of Glenn Beck would tie this to Michele Obama. Let’s spend some time on the continued lost of young Americans in 2 “wars” we don’t belong in.
_______________________________________________________________
The same two wars Oblahblah your president promised to get us out of and keeps our troops there? And don’t forget the unconstitutional way of entering us in Libya and how many American young are dying there? Of course CNN and MSNBC will keep us posted on the body counts just like they did with the Bush Admin. (sarc)
Report Post »Kalshion
Posted on March 28, 2011 at 2:43pm@jhaydeng
THAT is what I’m waiting for, I want proof that this kid was told to puke his guts out, until then, it‘s merely ’words’ and words can very easily be lied about. Yea, someone’s going to pounce on me for that, but when was the last time you ever believed entirely what someone says?
Regardless; while I’m sad to see this man pass on to another existance, I’m also not entirely convinced that it was the militaries doing. I say this because when I was in basic back in April of ‘05 (Army basic by the way, Fort Knox) we had one private who lied through his teeth about the advice his own recruiter gave him, which is why I don‘t it the ’puke your guts out’ CLAIM. Until such proof comes.
Report Post »MuddTurtle
Posted on March 28, 2011 at 10:46pm@jrook. The only lost sheep here is you. U leftists always want to talk about the wars we are not supposed to be in, let’s talk about Labia. God bless that poor kid’s soul. At least he wanted to fight for his country instead of just messing it up.
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