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Rep. Cantor: Stop ‘Radical Islam’ in Egypt

WASHINGTON (AP) — A top House Republican said Tuesday the primary goal of U.S. policy in Egypt should be to “stop the spread of radical Islam,” an objective that has been little mentioned by Obama administration officials in recent weeks.

Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., also said at a news conference he hopes the street protests taking place in Cairo and elsewhere will lead to a democratic society that “stands for human rights, progress and equal opportunity.”

In his remarks, Cantor did not criticize President Barack Obama over his handling of the two-week crisis.

GOP leaders have privately urged members of the rank and file not to second-guess Obama’s approach to the crisis, in which hundreds of thousands of Egyptians have staged demonstrations demanding that President Hosni Mubarak surrender power.

Asked about criticism leveled recently by another Republican lawmaker, Cantor said, it would not be “helpful for this President, who is having a tough enough time as it is, to have 535 members of Congress to opine on his conduct of foreign policy.”

Yet with his remarks, which aides said were planned in advance, Cantor appeared to be articulating a different policy objective than the one Obama has spoken of most frequently.

“I think the primary goal should be to stop the spread of radical Islam. That is where our focus should be,” he said.

Since the protests first arose, Obama has called for a transition to a government — regardless of its leader — that grants greater freedoms than Mubarak allows in a nation of 80 million.

“The future of Egypt will be determined by its people. It’s also clear that there needs to be a transition process that begins now. That transition must initiate a process that respects the universal rights of the Egyptian people and that leads to free and fair elections,” the president said late last week.

Mubarak, who has been in power nearly 30 years, has been a strong ally of the United States in the Middle East as well as in its attempt to rein in international terrorists. He also has abided by the peace treaty with Israel signed by his predecessor.

At the same time, in recent years U.S. presidents have urged Mubarak to allow greater freedoms for Egyptians, including free elections.

Cantor is Jewish and a strong supporter of Israel, whose leaders have been watching events unfold in Egypt with apprehension.

Asked whether Cantor’s remarks stemmed at least in part from his position on Israel, Cantor spokesman Brad Dayspring said the majority leader “has consistently made clear that the expansion of radical Islam is a global danger and is bad for America and our allies.”

Other traditional congressional supporters of Israel have also remained on the sidelines while Obama grapples with the protests in Egypt.

Simultaneously, one of the most powerful lobbying organizations in Washington, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, has been largely silent on the fast-moving developments. AIPAC holds considerable sway with lawmakers and many take their lead from the group.

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Associated Press writer Donna Cassata contributed to this report.

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  • flagbearer
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:51pm

    Huray for Eric Cantor! He’s got it right this time.

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  • Sirhogin
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:45pm

    Are Cantor and Rumsfeld also nuts ? Our media is now beyond corrupt ! They are the enemy within ! Disgraceful

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  • muhammad is pig
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:42pm

    muhammad loves pigs. i mean……REALLY loves em. like in a lonely, needy way

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  • roxee
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:34pm

    The reason some( middle east) think radicals atcually make sense,is the West has gotten up in peoples world wide Face to destroy any chance of freedom they wanted in the first place. Egyptians have never told the US who should be incharge.. they end up idiots as they are so confused from what the West has done to them for 80 years plus! This insane Media controlled lies has to stop I beleive is their real ideal of their future…. they don’t want radical, they get stuck,they get sick they take to the streets!

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  • DOCMMV
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:22pm

    It isn’t “radical Islam”, it’s just “Islam”.
    If you don’t accept the revelation of the War of the Horses, then at the very least do some homework.
    After the incredible bloodshed necessary to establish the muhammedans, it only took a few decades for them to get it together and beginning their first war against Christian powers. That was 722 ad. They were re-fighting those same wars for centuries taking breaks only to fight among themselves.
    Folks, please, understand that it is Islam itself by its very nature that is the problem and not some “radicalized” version of Islam. What we call “moderate” muslims, they call “supply corps”.

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  • Angelacw
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:14pm

    Finally! Thank you Majority Leader Cantor. I love him! He handled that better than anyone else has.
    - It is in the interest of the US to stop the spread of radical Islam – period.
    - It is our position that radical Islam should not be spread – period.
    - The people deserve democracy and human rights should not be violated – PERIOD.

    I would add – if that is a problem for anyone, we don’t care; but of course he can’t do that because it would be inappropriate. Barry and Hillary have to take the lead on this one.

    Gosh I miss having strong leadership in Washington.

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  • ScreaminEagle
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:06pm

    Just reported on FOX Saudi Arabia’s oil reserves have been over stated by 40%, SERIOUS. This has gone far enough. This administration is a clear and present danger to this country.

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    • abseas
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:26pm

      That’s actually old news to people in the business SCREAMINEAGLE. The US has within it’s borders more oil than almost all the other rescources combined. Over the years there has been a deliberate planned attempt to weaken the United States. Unfortunately, they have been successful in their efforts to do so in many ways. We‘re currently faced with an overwhelming worldwide desperate movement to take control and remove man’s agency. We‘ve been lulled to sleep over the past several decades and we MUST wake up and react with a vengance to counter this movement before it’s too late. Drill baby Drill, and Vote baby Vote 2012 to throw these Commie bums out of Washington!

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  • Restored One
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:02pm

    Thank you MR. Cantor.

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  • iroquois
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:58pm

    There are 535 members of congress that are talking to much and getting nothing done. Another group of talking “heads” using air the other could better use. They had better wake up and smell the Roses.

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    • saviorammo
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 12:05am

      Dead On! Except for the fact that their talk ain’t cheap. So I guess u could say bankrupting the country is getting something done.

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  • APatriotFirst
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:56pm

    Cantor said, it would not be “helpful for this President, who is having a tough enough time as it is, to have 535 members of Congress to opine on his conduct of foreign policy.”
    ——————————————————————
    Never stopped them from telling Bush or other presidents.

    Just tell the truth for once. All 535 of you. The Truth is the opposite of what you have been doing.

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  • STQ
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:56pm

    This is where Sarah Palin is VERY helpful!! She CAN call the President out on these issues,and get it out there for public discussion and debate.I still don‘t understand why the Repubs can’t call him out,when He is flat wrong!!Maybe timing is everything on some of these issues,but for God’s sake,don’t wait too long!!!

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  • mcpbob
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:50pm

    on the subject of radical islam, or islam and the U.S. either your for the american value or not, if your for Islam, your anti american anti american values, it can’t be both ways, it is like oil and vinegar, they don’t mix…. period

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:58pm

      Well that is a wonderful Christian attitude to have. I am not against american values but I am against this fear mongering about a religion with a tiny fracture being radical. http://wp.me/pYLB7-Ay

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    • Non-sequitur
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:04pm

      I like my salad with oil and vinegar. Can’t have a good salad with only one of them.

      Oil and vinegar together are DELICIOUS.

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    • P C BE DAMNED
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:30pm

      walk with a fool

      I don’t give a damn about the minority being anything. They need to be ashamed of their constant whining. There fellows are such a sick old man. We will have to destroy them as they are becoming more than a squeaking wheel. We will not play stupid when push comes to shove. Your mosques will make fine targets (stores) to those who are fed up with this PC crap. Fool

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  • OneBuckeye
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:50pm

    Exactly! Representative Cantor, don’t worry about the names you will be called for speaking the truth as it will provide a silver lining for Republicans. The false accusations will provide ammo for 2012!

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  • taebaggranny
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:47pm

    Isn’t Obama the one that insisted that the Muslim Brotherhood be allowed back into Eygpt in 2009? He insisted that they be allowed to come to the University of Cairo to hear his speech, and now he wants them to be represented at the new government talks..Wanna bet that his union buddies and other commie groups are over there stirring things along///

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  • Think4yourself
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:44pm

    Thank you Congressman Cantor. If more do not stand up and say something without worrying about being PC, we are destined to lose our position in the world. If we continue on the path we are currently following, the UN should be in control in no time.

    http://www.unsalvageable.org

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  • AMERICA4EVER
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:43pm

    Why would Obama want to stop them, they will be his voter base soon.

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  • B-Neil
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:41pm

    Rep. Cantor! You da bomb. Loved every word you said. Hell of a concept. A Representative actually caring about the U.S.A. and the rest of the world. I don’t feel alone anymore…Carry on McDuff

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    • SlimnRanger
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 11:06pm

      Yeppers i totally agree and i thank you Rep. Cantor,at least you had the guts to speak out,and i pray Gods protecting hand upon you

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  • Ozymandias
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:41pm

    This mentality of evangelism as jihad also finds its support in Islam under the category of two specific doctrines called Kithman and Taqiya. Kithman is a command to deliberately conceal one’s beliefs. It is a particular form of lying primarily practiced by the minority Shia’ Muslims. This doctrine is articulated by Imam Jafar Sadiq, the sixth Imam of Shia’ Islam:
    One, who exposes something from our religion is like one who intentionally kills us. 2
    You belong to a religion that whosoever conceals it, Allah will honor him and whosoever reveals it, Allah will disgrace him. If Obama is NOT a Muslim, he’s got this down pat!

    So Shia’ Muslims are commanded to purposefully hide what they truly believe in order to mislead outsiders as to the true nature of their religion. One cannot help but to immediately think of Jesus’ words, when He told his followers never to hide their religion:

    You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven. Matthew 5:14-16

    But instead, Shia’ Muslim are said to “belong to a religion that whosoever conceals it, Allah will honor him and whosoever reveals it, Allah will disgrace him.” That is the doctrine of kithman. To most westerners, this concept is unimaginable and completely contrary to reason. If you have something good, then share it. If you have something to hide, then I probably don’t want it anyway.

    There is not Peace in Islam as it was by Mohammad’s own beliefs, inspired by a demon. Let Peas be upon Allah the feminine god and Mohammad the deceived and deceiver. Jesus said that no man cometh unto the Father (God) but by me! Jesus died for Mohammad’s sins as well as for those of the whole world.

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  • 8jrts
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:41pm

    Since he’s Jewish, he may have a deeper need to have an “opinion” as to what should be done. Will the drive-by go nuts on him for that….absolutely!! But only because he’s a Jew. If he was any other ethnicity and had an opinion on his perspective homeland, it would be taken as gospel.

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 3:42pm

      No this drive by Nut hates Cantor for supporting TARP 1
      Don’t you guys care about TARP ?

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  • Mark
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:38pm

    This administration is too concerned about how the world would view America and his policies. That’s what happens when you elect a president without any experience. No global perspective, no diplomacy, no political experience to speak of, and most of all no CLUE, and closely associated to a bunch of communists. Regan told the USSR to “Tear down this Wall.” Obama, “Where’s my mommy?” and What do you think Bill?” and How can I blame this on Bush?” Group hug……..

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  • ofallon
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:37pm

    Somebody has to stand up for Israel. Kudos to Congressman Cantor.

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    • abseas
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:15pm

      Think about it . . How would you feel about now if you were living in Israel? I’d really be pi$$ed at the U.S., especially this current admistration. Things aren’t looking good on the world scene.

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    • trilateral-my-ass
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 2:43am

      I wish this would develop into something like this:
      “A Muslim in the Oval Office vs. a Jew in Congress.”

      Then maybe, just maybe more people will start paying attention. All it takes is a word on some TV or Radio show …

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    • righttobeararms
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:06am

      Cantor had the guts to stand up and say it. Now, are we willing to get behind him or just talk about it and give our opinion???

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  • orcainohio
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:37pm

    Obama is waiting for our French buds to show us how to deal with the Islam problem.

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    • abseas
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:11pm

      Ha ha ha . . Funny one ORCAINOHIO. Yeah, our French buds . . “Our greatest allies.” (Cough, gasp, wretch!) I got your sarcasm, btw. Can everything get any more screwed up than it already is? My answere is YES, and it probably will!

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  • dawg of gawd
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:36pm

    Mr. Cantor speaks a good idea – stop the spread of radical jihadis. (I reject using the word Islam as a prerequisite to terror.) Given the Mubarak / Citizen circumstances, how do we do it?

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  • Laus Deo
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:32pm

    Ostrich nation, we are… Well mostly, anyway. Oh well.. I’m gonna go see if I have any new Tosh.O DVR’d.

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  • FToth84
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:26pm

    Amen!!

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    • Jethro212
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:31pm

      Get ready, they are going to go nuts on Cantor now, pointing out how he is Jewish, anti-Islam blah blah blah.

      Wait for it, 3-2-1…

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:33pm

      Agreed.

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    • cnsrvtvj
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:36pm

      So finally someone in politics with the guts to say it. Way to go Cantor. The Rumsfeld interview today on Rush was scary. It’s one thing to have Glenn saying it, but when a man who spent most of his adult life in national security says the same thing, it’s time to get serious.

      http://www.donsmithshow.com – tea party news and ploitical humor

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    • spirited
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:39pm

      Exactly!

      >Just ignore the many who have said, say and those who have been recorded saying,
      “Death to Jews”.

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    • STUBBYK
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:40pm

      As I said on another post, is anyone thinking Crusades?

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:41pm

      the primary goal of U.S. policy in Egypt should be to “stop the spread of radical Islam,”
      —————–
      ….aaaaand how will that be achieved ?
      By sending Obama’s bundlers and political gurus and goons on the streets of Egypt to riot with the Muslim Brotherhood ?
      By lifting ban on Muslim Brotherhood and giving visas to their jihadies to come to US and preach how to kill in the name of islam ?

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:45pm

      “the expansion of radical Islam is a global danger and is bad for America and our allies”
      It’s a threat to the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of every nation which allows it to gain a significant political influence. Not just America and its allies.

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:46pm

      Cantor said, it would not be “helpful for this President, who is having a tough enough time as it is, to have 535 members of Congress to opine on his conduct of foreign policy.”
      —————
      Does Cantor understand that there is a whole lotta people and a whole lotta nation
      OUTSIDE
      the 535 in Congress ?
      Does he understand how sharia and jihad will affect us more than it will affect his 534 co-idiots and the Sheikh of the WH ?

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    • Dakota
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:50pm

      Islam..religion of peace…what a load of crap.

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    • Xcori8r
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:00pm

      “the primary goal of U.S. policy in Egypt should be to “stop the spread of radical Islam,”

      Ya think?

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    • Curator_JDR
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:05pm

      Its time for the authentic history of this world to be told. “The bones have risen” In the Middle East, Asia and India and Native Americas, everyone knows which son of Noah they come from. The Arabs (not Egyptians) are Hamites and the original Idol (Baal) worshipers, the God of violence, domination and storms. They are criminals like the Progressives and have been a scourage since 3123 BCE when a meteor caused catastrophic climate change and migration from ancestral homelands. Thats when the inmates began to run the asylum.

      Learn the authentic history in this historic interview on Israel National Radio. Be sure to click on the “Finding Noah” interactive web article series from this radio link.
      http://www.marcrubin.com/judean-eve.ivnu

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:07pm

      yes we are
      Although the majority leader post is officially the No. 2 slot in the House of Representatives, the truth is, Cantor will hold tremendous behind-the-scenes power in the Republican caucus—greater than even Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio), who is slated to become speaker of the House (and with whom Cantor has never been on the best of terms).

      Cantor’s particular influence stems from his control—along with another pro-Israeli hardliner, former Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.)—of a secretive and well-funded political action committee, the American Action Network (AAN), run by Cantor’s close advisor and former chief of staff, Rob Collins.

      Cantor’s AAN operation is believed to have raised up to $25 million this past year and spent at least $16 million in waging independent expenditures on behalf of Cantor-approved Republican candidates in the recent election.

      On Oct. 25 even The Washington Post was moved to describe AAN as “mysterious” and described Collins as one of “a small circle of operatives with the coveted expertise of actually running such secretive organizations.”

      Collins himself has said, “I have a weird gift for raising money.”

      That gift has given new power to Cantor, who played a major part though AAN in orchestrating the GOP victory, bankrolled by well-heeled contributors whose names are not required to be revealed to the Federal Election Commission.

      It is no coincidence that two other, similar fundraising ventures—American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS, both run by former George W. Bush operative Karl Rove—share offices with Cantor’s AAN. Ellen Miler of the Sunlight Foundation said the massive spending by such groups in the 2010 elections is the “how-to” for the 2012 election.

      “It’s how to use corporate money, how to use secret money, to buy elections,” she said. “It’s going to be no holds barred.”

      While most members of Congress generally rely on campaign contributions from within their own districts, examination of Cantor’s reported contributions indicate that his political fortunes have relied extensively on a great deal of money supplied by Jewish contributors from across the country.

      Cantor is able to tap into those same sources to fund his AAN operation on behalf of pro-Israel Republicans. So, Cantor’s access to tens of millions of dollars in secret cash contributions makes this young congressman particularly influential, today and in the future.
      http://america-hijacked.com/2010/11/12/elections-put-pro-israel-neo-cons-back-on-top/

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:14pm

      Has anyone noticed a trend in the news lately….First 2 European leaders, Merkel (German chanc) and Cameron (UK PM) denounce multiculturalism as failed and push for integration of separated communities, and now American politician denounces radical Islam as dangerous also. Something is going on politically !!!! We are witnessing a shift in some policies about how to address radical Islam, I am not trusting that it is positive at all. Just seems ironic how we have heard the drum beat the last few days. Think some of these leaders are worried there precious positions of authority might be challenged by groups such as in the Middle East (not Cantor of course). Just want to keep my eyes on these developments and see what happens.

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    • AKMIIKEUS
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:30pm

      It always amazes me how the people on the Right believe that the U.S. can dictate how other countries should live.
      Funny how the U.S. picks and chooses which countries to help and which ones not to help.
      Darfur, Sudan, millions of men, women and children executed for no reason.

      If it‘s not about oil or if it’s not about terrorism then screw the rest of the world.
      What a Christian loving nation we are.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:31pm

      Off topic, but what I’d like to know is why O’Reilly did not confront Obama when that DESPICABLE TRAITOR said that once al-Qaeda was defeated, if the Taliban wanted to participate in the electoral process they should. Here’s how you should have responded, O’Reilly, you lukewarm American and useful idiot:

      If you think the Taliban — whom our men and women in uniform are currently FIGHTING both in Afghanistan and in Pakistan — should be allowed to run for office, then what the H*LL are our brave troops doing there, Mr. Present??!!

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:34pm

      You have to KNOW that if Egypt falls to radical islam, so can America. This is as much a trial balloon as it is trading one despotic government for another.

      Socialists in this country are selling the fiction that ANY populace rioting to rid themselves of despotic government intends to instate a democracy. Well, there is nothing more democratic than a lynch mob. C. Krauthammer.

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    • EddardStark
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:42pm

      Wow! That is some revelation, Cantor! The US should try to stop radical Islam in Egypt? That is amazingly insightful foreign policy. Maybe you could elaborate on exactly how that should be done??????? Send troops? Weapons? Money? To whom would these items be distributed?

      You know what would stop the spread of Radical Islam? Jobs in Egypt and lower food prices. The US can’t even manage that at home, how the H-E-double hockey sticks is the president supposed to do those things in Egypt? Come to grips with reality…. THE US IS POWERLESS to influence these protests. Obama coming out condemning “Radical Islam” as part of these protests would do nothing. Not even if Ronald Reagan’s animated corpse came out against “Radical Islam” would it make a bit of difference on the ground.

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    • CatB
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 8:50pm

      I think they should also stop radical Islam in the USA!

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    • BenInNY
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:06pm

      I’m sorry, tower7, but exactly how the frig have you not gotten banned? Blaze?
      Must say it was funny to read this:
      Jethro212 – “Get ready, they are going to go nuts on Cantor now, pointing out how he is Jewish, anti-Islam blah blah blah. Wait for it, 3-2-1…”

      and then not 30 seconds later:

      tower7femacamp – “Eric is a Jewish Zionist with skin in the game so I must discount his opinion.”

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    • P C BE DAMNED
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:16pm

      You think this president is going to do anything to hinder Islams growth you are living in a true fantasy. This guy is the greatest enemy of good and truth that has lived in my lifetime. He also is the stupidist person I have ever seen in a long time. Yea for our side. Why do they get all the retards?

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    • missionarydad
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:33pm

      Cantor is right that is what our focus should be, we do not need another Iran like happened under Obama‘s older twin’s watch. I suggest that if we do not want our woman wearing burqas we had better start taking these threats seriously.

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    • snidley-whiplash
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 12:22am

      And the way to do that…………Shut down every mosque in the God fearing UNITED STATES OF AMERICA…………..thank you very much.

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 1:25am

      How will we accomplish stopping radical Islam in another country? Threaten to with hold foreign aid?

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