Report: China Building Aircraft Carriers for Regional Power Projection
- Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:42pm by
Buck Sexton
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The Varyag
While the U.S. is mired in political wrangling and a stagnant economy, China has made the possibly game-changing strategic decision to build its own aircraft carriers.
The Washington Times is reporting that Pentagon officials believe China is now building at least one if not two indigenous aircraft carriers, and may be working on more in the near future. Reuters reported last week that an unnamed Chinese official claimed “two aircraft carriers are being built at the Jiangnan Shipyard in Shanghai.”
This indigenous carrier construction is in addition to a confirmed Soviet-era aircraft carrier China purchased from Ukraine called the Varyag that has almost completed its refitting for use in “scientific research, experiment, and training,” according to the Chinese government. When it was originally purchased in 1998, the Chinese claimed the Varyag would be turned it into a floating casino.
The BBC reported this past June on the Varyag here, calling it one of China’s worst kept secrets (google images provided clear photos of the vessel). But an enhanced version of the vessel may be launched any day now, marking the first time China would have an operational aircraft carrier on the open sea.
Other than the aged Varyag, it is not currently clear how many carriers China is building, or plans to build, but it appears likely that plans for two or three carriers are underway. A Chinese Ministry of defense spokesman told reporters this past Wednesday that ”Building…aircraft carriers is a sacred responsibility of China’s armed forces,“ but added that ”both overestimation and underestimation of China’s future aircraft carrier have been wrong.”
China’s production of aircraft carriers comes amidst already heightened tensions in t
Chinese Aircraft Carrier Killer Missiles
he region with neighbors such as Vietnam, Japan, and the Philippines- all of whom have had diplomatic incidents with Chinese resulting from boat crashes and maritime territorial disputes. These countries are concerned that aircraft carriers would allow China to assert supremacy in disputed waters including the South China sea and Yellow Sea. Japan is boosting its submarine production in response to what it sees as provocations by China.
It is also well-known in the region and around the globe that China is building up its military capabilities across the board. As the Washington Times reports it, China’s military is:
“engaged in a large-scale buildup that includes new strategic and conventional missiles, aircraft, anti-satellite weaponry and a new ballistic missile for targeting ships at sea.”
The U.S., on the other hand, is looking at up to a trillion dollars of defense cuts over the next decade, including possibly imminent $10 billion a year cuts from the Navy.
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Comments (137)
WHIZ
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:51pmI know you guys didn’t believe me when I said that America will become a nuclear umbrella for 300 million Chinese that just so happened to storm our beaches looking for their money; lol! Thats not funny ††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††
Report Post »kevtheatheist
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 11:56pmI wonder if the Chinese are doing to us what we did to the USSR back in the 80′s, but a bit more subtle. Artificially controlling their currency, artificially inflating their production and building ghost cities? Building up their military and activating a space program, all of these things are good for the Chinese, but bad for us. If we have to play catch-up with them soon, we may be done for.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 2:37amWatch China and Russia closely guys. They will according to the Bible join together and attack Israel.
Report Post »On a side note …. do any of you think it is a coincidence that BO is dismantling our military while our enemy’s around the world are building up theirs?
Just say’n…….
teamarcheson
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 2:40amObama plans to scuttle the US Navy fleet out in the Atlantic to form a barrier reef. The Democrats will insure an American Navy never sets sail or threatens another US enemy ever again. They already gutted the Air Force.
This is not a drill…
Report Post »vastrightwinger
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 7:21amI dont know but if their ships are anything like the goast cities,dry wall ,fabrics and dog food we have nothing to worry about.
Report Post »Besides, Japan can kick their butts again if they dont stay in their place!
ChiefGeorge
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:45pmIn this area of Warfare….you are only as good as the last day you trained, deployed, wargamed etc. It doesn’t take long to loose these skills. It however takes much longer to hone them to a fine edge like our commited warriors at sea today. Their Carrier plans will not amount to much.
Report Post »Attention2Detail
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:57pmUnfortunately, Rumsfeld wreaked out technical training. In his drive toward technology, he unwittingly destroyed the Navy’s ability to maintain its systems in a combat situation. Our Navy can no longer maintain its AEGIS system with the ship’s crew and needs specialists to come aboard to repair even simple problems. I got this information from a reliable DOD source.
Vixvenom
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:38pmUnfortunately, they don‘t need to amount to much to take over the spot of ocean they’re after, and 3 is plenty against Nam, Thailand and the Philipines. The area in the South China sea they want is rich in petroleum resources…..they will fight for it. And with these carriers, combined with the already expanded Navy that they’ve been building for some time now, they will win it, and then control trade through this area. Some speak of a major war starting over this small region of ocean, and I can see that…maybe even nuclear. Watch this area closely, it’s possibly the most dangerous situation in modern history…..the potential is there.
Report Post »lel2007
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:55pmWell Chief, they really don’t need to be highly trained to throw their weight around and bully smaller countries with a great big aircraft carrier under their a s s. It’s about projection. Besides, who’s going to challenge them? Certainly not the obamanation.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:42pmThats great!
Only one very big problem though….it will take a few decades until they can figure out how to use it in a operational way at sea, at night, refuel it on the move, protect it with other defensive ships i.e, the Battle Group. I wouldn’t worry about China too much in this area. We beat the Russians at this same game and the Japanese I might add. Our Naval Warfare in this area is unsurpassed and will remain so as long as the torch keeps getting passed along and the pipeline for Naval aviators stays strong and uncompromising.
Report Post »Attention2Detail
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:52pmWe‘re dismantling our military at an incredible rate and what we don’t defund, we’re wasting in the Middle East. These wars have become a sham, but they still cost the same as when we actually had a mission in mind. With the technology that Clinton gave China, and the financial leverage that Obama is giving them, they could be a real threat in less than 10 years.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:07pmAttention2detail speaks the truth.
Report Post »Papalima28
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:08pmWWII buddy… The Japanese were the best in the Pacific, but Midway changed all that. Don’t get over confident, and don‘t assume the Chinese won’t be capable of catching up to us soon.
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:20pmThere was a lot of luck and poor decisions at work at Midway. Looking at the hardware, Japan shoulda won that. The big mistake was whatsisname sending half the Imperial Navy towards the Aleutians as a diversion instead of slipping back in behind to grind us into razor blades.
Report Post »GreatCommunicator
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:21pmthat statement couldn’t be truer ATTENTION. we must learn from this. like Reagan said “a truly successful army is one that, because of its strength and ability and dedication, will not be called upon to fight, for no one will dare to provoke it”.
Report Post »Vixvenom
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:56pmThey, like we and every other nation, probably built the training facilities first….mockup bridges, mockup flight decks, mockup engine rooms…..they will be well trained years before launch, that‘s just how it’s done in modern Navies. 6 months minimum, they’ll have most of the bugs worked out and ready to fight.
Report Post »rabblechat
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 9:40amWe currently have about 12 carriers on active duty, and those are charged with patrolling the entire globe, even if we pull them back to our borders you are only looking at 6 per seaboard.
Report Post »They are building 3 now that we know of, how many more do you think we have underway that we don’t know about? Remember that Chinese sub that “surprised” our navy a few years back?
Who do you think could churn out carriers faster, the Chinese or us? Remember sometimes quantity beats quality. In WWII the German tanks were vastly superior to our Sherman’s; however we overcame the technological advantage by cranking out 10 Sherman for every panther or tiger produced.
as for skill and experience, yes we have the upper hand there, but don’t forget prior to WWII our Navy was fairly green; It didn’t take us long to get up to speed, and it won’t take the Chinese very long either.
At the rate we are going we will be relying on the Chinese to provide us with the steel if not the entire ship.
HemiOwner
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:40pmThey don’t need to build any. They just need to sink or damage several of ours and we’re done for when it comes to naval power in the Western Pacific. Bye bye Taiwan.
Report Post »junkman
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 10:10pmYour an idiot…… We got 40 ACFT Carriers and about 75 years of experience using them. 2 or 3 crude floating platforms the Chinese might be able to field, will simply be the first casualties in any future conflict…….. Our Submarine fleet will be tracking them from the very second they leave port, and they’ll NEVER be out of our reach….. We could just sink them at will, no problem………… OF much more import, is the Chinese Space Agency……. Since they have one…. and we don’t, they’ll surpass us in space technology in 10 years, then they’ll have us by the balls, say bye-bye spy-sattellites…….. THAT’s the scenario that scares me…… A Chinese ACFT carrier is a JOKE…… Just like the German, Soviet, and French Carriers of the past…… Wise up – FOOL !
agear1
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 10:54pmJunkman Whereever did you get the idea we have 40 carriers? Try more like 12. We used to have 16 but some were decommisioned.
Report Post »HemiOwner
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 8:33amHey Junkman. You‘re an f’n moran. We have 11 carriers. Get your facts straight before you spew crap from you pie hole.
Report Post »rabblechat
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 9:53am@Junkman, we do not have anywhere near 40 carriers on active duty of the 11 on active duty 4 of those are between 30-40 years old. Don’t forget they have subs too, remember about 3 years ago when the Chinese sub surfaced next to one of our battle groups? If it was junk how did it get there undetected?
Report Post »Not to mention the mysterious missile launch off of California last year where do you think that came from? And as your own post stated we started the pacific was with only 3 carriers, which is what they are building. It was our ability to crank out ships faster than the Japs that helped us win in the pacific.
Who do you think has the ability to build ships faster now, The Chinese or us?
With that being said I agree with you on the space program issue, once they have the ability to knock out or communication and observation satellites our navy’s technological advantage will be greatly reduced.
ValiantDefender
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 12:03pmJunkman needs to take a few deep breaths and calm down. Then he should go check out some facts and come back to the table with his input.
He should drop the racism/anti-religious statements and abusive language.
We need more statesmen…more honor…more courage. That starts with us.
Report Post »Goodgriefgeezlouise
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:37pmOff topic but a while ago I saw an article here on the Blaze titled Moody allows US to keep AAA rating..I clicked on it and there was no article..Then it disappeared..Hmm?..Someone jumping the gun or was it a title in the on deck cirle so they could be ready once it’s announced..Odd..
Report Post »sister1_rm
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:35pmDo you know why Japan never attacked the mainland US? Because they knew about our second amendment and the tendency for citizens to keep weapons and ammunition.
“You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II
As long as the second amendment stands, China will not launch land invasion on mainland US… well, IF the Second Amendment stands… We really need to get BO out of the office.
Report Post »HemiOwner
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:41pmThe Mexican illegals already beat the Chinese to an invasion. They send a million a year here and no one stops them.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:47pmYour forgetting one very important thing. They could bring the US down by launching a limited nuke attack and our socalled leaders in DC will sue for peace. A peaceful landing could then be made with our very own confiscating our guns. No more problem. Mark it down!
Report Post »timb58
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:19pmAll they have to do is come through mexico and nobody will stop them.Hell the government will protect them.
Report Post »EZDOZIT
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 10:25pmWatch the you tube video,” Guns in America,fully automatic.” This confirms why our enemies will think twice before they invade US.
Report Post »TJexcite
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:29pmThey will tip over in high tide wave, sink in the rain, run around in the harbor. The chicoms will build it will the same care and skill that is used to build all the toxic one time use crud that they send here. If they ever use it they might as well just use all the IOU bonds paper for power and burn them as they will not get the money any time soon, even the 30 year bonds.
Report Post »lonewolf57
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:27pmWe don’t want Obama in office when,and if,China and/or Russia decides to call the loans in.China can build all the cheesy aircraft carriers and planes they want.The nuclear option are in hands of non-Obama.Mutually Assured Destruction option isn’t for man/boy.
Report Post »Son_of_Liberty
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:26pmIf China wants to take over being the worlds police good for them. Bring our troops home!
3%
Report Post »Dustoff
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:57pmYour comment is foolish at best.
Report Post »Son_of_Liberty
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:26pm@Dustoff
What is so foolish about wanting to bring our troops home? What is so foolish about wanting us to take care off our problems and letting the rest of the world take care of theirs? We can’t afford to be the worlds police force anylonger. Does $14 trillion in debt sound familiar to you?
3%
Report Post »texascav
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:23pmChina is and has been building up its military over the last several years. More so within the last two or three years. They have been building a large navy, new jets ( some stealth), and missles (anti ship), and are buying up oil and minerals all over the world. They are getting new ports of call all over the globe. They are becoming the new world super power, while we are indebted to them. I’ve said it for several years now. China wants Taiwan under its control and to be part of China. With us owing so much to them, they will offer a deal to Obama. Give them Taiwan for some of our debt, or they will take it. And what will Obama do???????? We have a treaty with Taiwan. But will Obama honor it?
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:20pmTalk about non green, this crap is highly inefficient, a good reason to send all our jobs and resources to them. ;-(
Report Post »Jediusetheforce
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:11pmHow much does the military spend??? TOO MUCH!! Cut Dmamit
Report Post »Dustoff
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:56pmHow about we cut back on all the freebies instead. Which by the way is far greater that our military budget
Report Post »Ron_WA
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:10pmNot good. This would expand their ability to control the Arabian Gulf & Suez canal & is very directly a counter to India’s capability.
This is not really a direct threat to the US or Russia but it adds to significantly adds to regional & even global instability.
Report Post »Vixvenom
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:46pmAgreed, see the Monroe Doctrine and Roosevelts reiteration thereof….spheres of influence…..this is where their motivations lie…..control of the area…….to keep the peace, of course. And they will soon have it……what can we do, we have no money left.
Report Post »BillAdams3277
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:10pmTwo kings of ships in the world, Submarines and targets. And it’s a target rich environment. This thing would not survive her first launch sortie in a shooting war.
Report Post »Multiple Arms
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:28pmYou sound like a bubblehead.
Report Post »lonewolf57
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:10pmChina owns our debt.ARRRRGHH.Who wants to live under Communist rule?
Report Post »Lets have a show of hands!Why play nice?Why?
junkman
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 10:42pmWhat if…….. We just DON’T pay our debt to China ???? Seems to me we got leverage over them……… THEY better play nice, OR they might not get paid. ANY attack on Taiwan, and it might just be bye-bye Chinese debt…….. A short term hit to our credit rating would be worth it, me thinks !
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:12amI THINK CHINA, RUSSIA, AND MOST OF THE WORLD SEES US THE U.S. AS THE ONLY THING
Report Post »Standing between them and a Real NEW WORLD ORDER ! AND WE DONT HAVE MANY FRIENDS
WILLING TO HAVE THEIR PEOPLE DIE FOR US………..IF ANY !
When We and Israel gone whats to stop them ? iF Mexico declaired war on the U.S. what we gonna do bom our own cities? We’ve done been invaded ! Just somethin to think about !
The worlds looking kinda lonely from here !
cloudsofwar
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:01pmwhat will Obama do? stayed tuned.
Report Post »pscully17
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:07pmyes, building their military up with OUR MONEY.. Aid, money, Interest payment Money and our consumer spending money for making the products we used to make and selling them to us at huge profits… Im brushing up on my mandarin… starting with the phrase… Please, I beg you, dont kill me and my family.
Report Post »muhamadhater
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:13pmand so it begins… China builds up,, and America being broke starts cut backs…hmmm not sure I see a happy ending here!!! hope im wrong!!
Report Post »God bless America!!! or should I say God help America!?
BIGJAYINPA
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:15pmObama will run up the white flag and surrender at the first opportunity. I have absolutely no faith in our Faker-in-Chief. He has not got the guts to pull the trigger and unless his master, George Soros, gets him a spine and cojones implant he never will have…Just sayin’
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:28pm“Im brushing up on my mandarin… starting with the phrase…
Please, I beg you, dont kill me and my family.”
more like,…
ěr bì zú de yán dú hài
You will die of lead poisoning!
Report Post »Emanuel Goldstein
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:58pmChina wouldn’t be so bad if they stopped drowning babies in rice paddies and dropped the evil. Time to develop our own anti-ship ICBM’s. Should we be worried? Ummm, YES!!!
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:59pmDude, don’t be a schill. Wake up.
Report Post »BIGJAYINPA
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:12pmNot to worry dude. We already have the capability, It is the will and courage to use I think we lack….Just sayin’
Report Post »Dustoff
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:58pmWe already have them…
Report Post »cloudsofwar
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:57pmwhen does ww3 start? or is it ww4? all the current events point to a WAR but maybe not a world war. there will never be a war like ww2 again. with the technology we have now, a ww could be very short. mushroom clouds!
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:56pmNow we know what they’ll use when the US government says “sorry, we’re broke – can‘t pay all those debts of ours you’ve bought up”.
Report Post »USMarine0311
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:55pmYea they build aircraft carriers and own much of our debt and we are posed to cut defense if agreements can’t be made on the cuts in the new Demoncat bill that passed the house and Senate, thanks all you sell out republicans. We are looking better and better everyday, not. I need to re-read revelations again just so I am prepared.
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:03pmYeah , you need aircraft carriers to claim your 1.2 trillion you lowned out !
Report Post »A good job program would to build missle launchers, canons, modern day version of Normandy beech
All along California cost !………………………………………………………………………………………….
OneFunR6
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:13pmWell,……………..
if it’s just to be confined to the California coast…
then I’m ALL for IT!
Report Post »junkman
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 10:50pmAre you on CRACK hawk ? You can’t even walk your dog on a CA beach, HOW in hell will we build bunkers and pill-boxes ? Lest we might disturb the sand fleas or sum-such……..
Report Post »brothaslide
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:53pmOK – so China is building an aircraft carrier. The US has been building and operating many aircraft carriers since before World War II. There is a learning curve on how to operate these ships effectively and the US has a 70+ year head start on the learning curve.
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:57pm@ brothaslide—Don’t forget our then President Clinton sold a lot(and gave a lot) of info to the Chinese.It would not surprise me if included were“How to Manuals”.
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:00pmYou really think that,… even though they can BUILD it,…
THEY can’t fig. out how to USE IT,……?
Report Post »wordweaver
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:14pmThat was my first thought too. Carriers are extremely complex platforms to operate. Then I remembered how good the Chinese are at copying other people’s stuff and how good we are at leaking information. There will be a learning curve, but I suspect their carriers will be in a position to project power within just a few years. Could be one very big indicator of what China is thinking politically for the future.
Report Post »HemiOwner
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:48pmAll China needs are hundreds of good anti-shipping missiles to thwart the US. Remember how the Royal Navy got its a@$ kicked by the lowly Argentinians in the Falklands war. They lost 5 warships and two support vessels to a couple of guys in Mirage fighters with Exocets.
Report Post »lel2007
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 10:14pmIt takes training and practice to become proficient with a hand gun or rifle. Trained or not, the weapon carrier still projects a threat.
Report Post »otmonger
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:50pmI’m sorry. We are heading for some real bad times! God help America!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:47pmUnderstand the code used: “Regional Power Projection..” means that when they want to move in and pressure a situation into being to their liking one of these ships shows up on the shores and reminds everyone that there is a very big rock aimed at their heads.
Report Post »Sicboy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:46pmChina is saying. Thank you America, for buying our crappy products. Keep sending your money here, we love it. And put your own workers on unemployment. SUCKERS.
Report Post »Sicboy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:54pmI’m a little worried about Glenn. If you heard him today, our country is domed. But, he’s been saying. In the end we’ll be ok. I don‘t think we’ll be ok, this country will pay for it’s sins. Probably soon. Much sooner then we think. And by the way you should move to the Southlake area of Texas, more like Keller TX, one city over from Southlake and Westlake, Glenn’s real home. You can buy my house. Great School District. To damn hot here. Moving to the beach.
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:58pmAre they really?
I thought I heard them chanting,
Report Post »“You die, round eye!” in my dreams…..
Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:44pmAh yes, right on queue. New boogey man is China. Come on everyone, buy into it. We hate china, we will not buy their stuff. Go USA. I’ll do my part for the war effort. Yadda yadda yadda.
Not this time. I’m out. Tired of manufactured boogeymen to make me give up my liberty and to scare me into accepting bad choices.
Try again.
Report Post »cloudsofwar
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:00pmyou see a pattern? every other day is a new emergency.
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:02pm@Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve—and just what would it take to get you to believe some thing important as another country that hates us getting more weapons to use against us?. Just in case you think they wouldn’t just remember the one man who stood in front of a tank over there where is he now?
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:05pmAnd you’ve never been to/lived in Taiwan,….
China has been in an undeclared state of war with them since 1949.
Report Post »TulsaYeeHaw
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:09pmAre you sure the chinese hate us? The commies maybe, but the chinese? Maybe they see us as people who need to mind our own business, especially after it was OUR fault the commies won. Had we minded our business, the Nationalist would have won the war, the commies would have been defeated. We expected Comrade Stalin to keep his word, we expected mao to keep his word. Read up on the chinese civil war, see how we screwed the Koumintang. See how after we realized (sort of) ALL COMMUNISTS are liars, we helped them form a gov’t in exile on Taiwan (used to be formosa), and how the chinese are pissed, because Taiwan really is part of china.
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:12pmbikerr –
“… the one man who stood in front of a tank over there where is he now?”
In my living room,…. on the floor.
He makes a nice RUG. Lol! NOT!
IF the Chinese Gov. WILL KILL their OWN [unarmed-peaceful] citizens,….
What do you think they WILL do to U.S.?
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:20pmFor Pete’s sake people. Oh, the Chinese!!!??? We better get’em before the get us. The Chinese don’t want to invade the US…at leasst not militarily. In China I can imagine someone like you all saying “did you see what they did to David Koresh and his followers?” If they’d do that to their own people what would they do to us?
Neocon Sheeple are just sad.
Report Post »TulsaYeeHaw
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:24pmNo, I totally understand the gov’t. Their the commies. I mean the people. And I ask that out of genuine ignorance, because I don’t know anyone from china. I know the gov’t hates, our involvement with helping the Nationalist escape, not being communist, etc. But the people.
Report Post »TulsaYeeHaw
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:29pmThat is what I mean Rotbard…. The Chinese history isn’t exactly one of overt outward agression. They have been content to fight amongst themselves most of their history. And I totally agree with your position on protecting what liberty we have left. I’d just as soon let them take taiwan and forgive our debt in exchange, if they think we are weak, I don’t care. As long as they don’t attack us or OUR territory, I couldn’t care less what they do because
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