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Report: Gun Battle Leads to Suspects in Mexico Pirate Case
- Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:39am by
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Grey Rider
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 6:41pm@uhadenoughyet
Report Post »Your anger helped me I figured it out.
Thank You for your service. You have my utmost respect if you are in fact who I now believe you are. I am a veteran myself.
While I agree you may be correct in your only meaningful post (near top of page), it may be necessary to to be a little more involved than a covert based assist. Given this countries previous assists with regime change I would also have to question more details than is presented. Try not to worry so much about peoples screen name. I don’t recall why you seem so preoccupied with honor as logical arguments, opinions and talk generally do not prove honor. Actions do. Good God man, do have to be so harsh? If so go ahead bash on me all you want. When you finally figure out your anger and want to talk respectfully, You might find me the kind of fan that would actually help DO something to support like minded principles.
uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 7:04pmGrey, you are really close to sounding like someone who would like to argue a substantive point.
Report Post »I will make three respectful disagreements with you.
1, I would argue that it isn’t my anger that has been the catalyst for what you described by implication only as my meaningless posts, but instead yours. I assure you nothing that happens in a blog post can trigger my anger.
2, I never implied a covert assist was the answer and in fact agree with you that our past involvements should lay a roadmap of lessons learned, and any efforts to try and control the already happening decay of the Mexican government, must involve conscious understandings as to our responsibility as American citizens.
3. I am not preoccupied with your screen name at all, it was just a question.
Laslty I would like to thank you for your service and courage and whole heartedly retract with humility my false claim that you are a coward.
Barb AZ
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 6:28pmThis is all I have to say…..
Report Post »http://twitpic.com/2vicb3
uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 6:48pmthat was an awesome post barb, but um…not 100% sure here but I think those are brits, but I like the idea!
Report Post »Grey Rider
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 6:04pmUhad,
Report Post »“funny isnt it. I am not trying to say anything, I am saying it with a prescision you are uncomfortable with”
No Your not funny at all. I agree you are not saying anything and if your version of precision is what I would call verbose, overt, dribble, then I agree with you there as well. Parties like myself are not trying defend a zero sum position. You do not have any idea of what I’m about or them for that matter. Additionally, I feel your opinion does count or I would not bother with you. And stop with the bully crap. This is about you being an ass to people on this thread who are tired of a failed system that they might not have voted for or had any control over.There are so many more constructive for you to share your knowledge then to spew arrogance. “Grey I feel sorry for you.” You don’t feel sorry for me, You really feel sorry for yourself which is precisely why you must always speak with a condescending and puerile tone. Oh and one more thing there nough, most of the real adults here won’t bother with you and after this post neither will I.
I have no further interest in taking you seriously.
uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 6:18pmAnd so there u have it, in plain sight folks, clear as the morning sky…… grey said “most of the real adults here won’t bother with you and after this post neither will I.” interpretation? Na na na na na na.!!
Report Post »It is hilarious Grey, and by the way what is ur name all about? Hmm? Grey rider? Is it like some sort of veiled reference to a rebel confederate kind of thing?
Anyway, I really want to thank you for blatantly making my point for me when you said, and I quote “You do not have any idea of what I’m about or them for that matter.” You are absolutely correct because you lack the honor and courage to actually state a position and opt for instead baseless semantically attacks. Yes I feel sorry for you and for me and for every American who has to contend with the like of your kind and your intellectually lazy, cry baby poor me, blah blah attitude. You grey and the others on this blog who sympathize with your victim mentality are the very obstruction to restoring our founding principles.
uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 6:27pmOh and by the way when you said “This is about you being an ass to people on this thread who are tired of a failed system that they might not have voted for or had any control over.” Really? REALLY???? I wasn’t aware you were the self appointed director of tasks and organization on this thread. You are right also when you implied but stumbled to make your point that there are more important matters to discuss on this blog, like for instance what happens to free men when they turn into whiny girly men who instead of seeking the fruits of their own labor endeavor to stand on the corner and commiserate with fools and cowards!!! You sir, have yet to provide a substantive argument to my initial comments directed so long ago, and in supreme dysfunctional win or leave the debate fashion have exposed your sever lack of integrity! You wont debate a single issue, I say u r a coward Sir!!!
Report Post »uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 5:46pmThe most interesting thing about the above criticisms is the FACT that not a single counter point or substantive argument to my initial claims, which sparked the Neanderthals into action, are present. If you are having difficulty understanding the concepts and Ideas I have argued I suggest you might take a breath, put your unchecked anger at the door and dissect my arguments with logic and reason, if you have the capacity to do so. I will say this, if you and your kind are the conservative position, and on the battlefield of ideas your weapons consist of suicidal attacks, then we are lost and all hope for the republic is lost too. I will have you know my friend I have or bear no likeness to pseudo anything. I am YOUR fellow American with my opinions, and my opinions really should not be that hard to understand (not necessarily agreed to) if you have a single ounce of honor in your bones, but I fear that you Grey and the others who have climbed aboard you bandwagon, think the word HONOR, is a poster on the wall of a yoga studio!!
Report Post »uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 5:30pmI really enjoy it when those who shout “YOU DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY MY OPINION DOESNT COUNT” usually use the same sentence to say, your opinion that my opinion doesn’t count, doesn’t count!! Then they act surprised or offended when you nail their asses to the wall and they have nowhere to squirm except to schoolyard bully crap, because they are actually hollow of any real independent opinion and are just parrots and slaves to those who have the courage to lead. Grey I feel sorry for you and your companions in your thuggery, bully mentality who begin by defending each other’s zero sum position, and finish with na na na na na na, and then expect adults to take you seriously.
Report Post »uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 5:22pmHey grey
Report Post »funny isnt it. I am not trying to say anything, I am saying it with a prescision you are uncomfortable with, and STFU is such a meaningful and courageous position to take. You might note I did not draw first blood, at least not with the parties like yourself who have a very strange need to defend a zero sum position. Try making a counter arguement if you have the capability, otherwise the readers here can see exactly what u r
Grey Rider
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 5:01pmUhad,
Report Post »What planet are you from? You seem to talk a whole lot with out really saying anything. In spite of your pseudo intellectual rant and your prosaic lectures on everyone being lazy I see some modicum of sense to what your really trying to say. You’d do much better with out the insults. Or if you’d like how about a nice big cup of STFU.
uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 4:46pmThe licentiousness of our fellow Americans to so blindly lust for blood, is only a symptom of collective inanity, before sightlessness and self annihilation. This was my point pilot, and by the way, by definition obfuscation cant be unintentional, except maybe on your planet.
Report Post »uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 4:14pmThe following quote from my blog pretty much address’s my concerns over gloats and pilots remarks
My question is why? Answer this question and you cannot escape the truth of reality in modern America. Why have our freedoms and liberties been under a never ending onslaught of Government expansion? The answer is in fact a simple one, a tidy uncomplicated answer that refuses to wear the cloak of politics. The answer is brutal and unforgiving, daunting and inescapable.
The answer is ….. YOU!!!!!
Your political laziness, intellectual cowardice, moral corruption, complete and utter lack of integrity and honor have paved the road to your enslavement and submission to the tyranny of the elitist masters who no more care about your liberty than you. YOU are WE THE PEOPLE.
Report Post »uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 3:06pm@toader gloat
Report Post »Additionally I would assert that if you want to represent yourself as all grown up and ready to take some responsibility ( a piercing hallmark of adulthood ) how about adding to the debate by way of reasonable argument on the battle field of ideas? Hmm? How about working to that endeavor my fellow American adult? I only make this point to illuminate the propensity of the self professed “Angry American” to reject responsibility in the face of ardent challenge and instead gravitate towards heated and simplistic rhetoric hollow of substance, direction or moral integrity. Your willingness to abandon honesty which confronts your anger and stirs your fears is exactly what the ruling elite of our beloved republic have counted on for decades. Your approach may well lead to the venting of your misguided “pissed-ness” but the question remains my friend: What are you prepared to do about it? If the answer is blind rage and aimless anger than you are a slave and the problem we the people face this and every successive November. Should I put a paragraph here and go Barny style with crayons for you?
cmipilot
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 3:29pmuhad:
Maybe a little heated and simplistic rhetoric is exactly what the situation needs, instead of diarrhea of the keyboard resulting in unintended obfuscation.
Report Post »uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 3:38pmhell yes, heeeeeeee haaawwwww! Lets GIT er dun ya’all,
Report Post »Give me break dude…… we r not talking about the price of pork belly’s too high. We are talking about the future of freedom. But hey, opinions are like corn holes and you r entitled to yours…… is that better, or is there something else you would like me to do to assist in our continued slavery to our own incompetanses and furvant agheeerance to our own blind folded fear?
uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 3:46pmWow talk about Obfuscation, wouldnt it have been less obfuscatorial to just ask me to explain what the hell I mean? I appreciate your willingness to come to your fellow adults defense, but I would ask you, is revolution a simple matter in the preamble? isnt gut reactions and blind folded fear by masses of sh\t head Americans what got us to Obamanomics? no? then have at it pal and comiserate, I would rather debate and expound when needed to derive a more finer point of intent, keep up if you can, dimiss if you will, Either way I plan to exercise my ideas, and debate not my trigger finger, I have done enough of that for one lifetime
Report Post »uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 2:48pm@Toader gloat, if you would like to grade my non comment writing style I invite you to view my blog and see if you can wade through my mis application of the standards of written english
Report Post »globalcyclist
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 1:04pmMexico is a failed state, they are not our ally, and are our enemy. Imagine what the media as well as that corrupt gov’t of Mexico would be saying if americans were shooting mexicans on that lake?
Report Post »thebear
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 1:24pmMaybe its time we did!
Report Post »uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 1:54pm@the bear, Sir that is a ridiculous and irresponsible statement to make and you know it. While it might serve to vent some of your own frustration to fantasize about killing Mexicans on the border, I don’t think you have put much more thought into the possible unintended consequences of such actions. The failures of Mexican authority certainly rests with the cowardice of the Mexican people to challenge the Narco terrorists in their own land, but to suggest cross border, extrajudicial killings of Mexican citizen is outright foolish and is derived from a mentality that lacks wisdom.
Report Post »@globalcyclist You raise a good point and it beckons a reasonable answer. The media and the Mexican government would be hitting roof over such activity and rightly so. The answer to our woes over the Mexican issue are complex and far reaching with strong roots in our citizenries inability to resist the temptation of cheap drugs and cheap labor, assisted by the cowardice of the Mexican people and cemented by our politicians unwillingness to confront the issue with a clarity of judgment or moral imperative/value. In the end the Mexican issue will either steepen in the gravity of our own appetites for cheap euphoria and cheap labor, or we will begin to realize that enough is enough and We the People of the United States of America will hold the Mexican people and their government responsible for their own illicit activities after we have policed our own, or in a congruent mix of both, but in any event, if history has shown us anything at all, we know without doubt that all evil needs to prevail is for good men to do nothing. So take some action and make a contribution to the solution. Great post my friend and I appreciate your perspective.
Toader Gloat
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 2:31pmTo UHADENOUGHYET…
You know what I have had enough of? Your self-important, Mr. Obvious writing style. We’re not children…we’re Americans. And we’re pissed.
Do us a favor and research the word: PARAGRAPH.
Report Post »uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 2:46pm@ gloat
Report Post »If I have struck a nerve that you must defend you grown up-ness, I suggest you do a little introspection on that and get back to me on it…. Just my opinion of someone so furiously defensive about your non adolescent anger. And btw I wasn’t aware we were turning in our COMMENTS to be graded for English grammar and paragraph. If you would like to debate my points I welcome it, if you want to resort to only the type of rhetoric one could expect from a 7th grader, have at it, and either way I will be here. Have a nice day buddy.
SnapTie
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 1:03pmThis is the mentality of liberals let this kind of garbage in cause they are just hard working migrants.
Report Post »Masamune
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 12:58pmThey’ll simply say that they are working on the case and proceed to drag it on for years and years until we finally forget about it altogether. That’s how the law works in Mexico.
Report Post »Juan Gault
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 12:47pmAmazing!
Report Post »Toader Gloat
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 2:30pmAwesome sign-on name….ha!
Report Post »Falconer
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 12:42pmSo, what where some of you guys saying about her making it up?
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 1:02pmMaking it up? Not here….the fringie media (abc, cbs, nbc, cnn, etc) was bringing it up, but no one here!
Report Post »AZfreeman
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 7:44pmGeraldo, the Hispanic, on Fox also implied that this poor lady was lying on his show. Then yesterday he came on and gave a short [very short] apology. This guy is scum. It seems that for the left in America the priorities go like this in descending order:
1. Race and self interests trump everything 2. Liberal Ideology trumps the Democratic party 3. Democratic Party affiliation trumps morals and character 4. Constitution and the Country are not a concern except as a cash cow.
For the Right in America, values are: 1. God trumps all 2. Constitution and Country next 3. morals/character at all times 4. Conservative ideology trumps race or party. 5. Self interest doesn’t matter. I am so proud to be a Conservative. Isn’t it time for others to see the light? …rf
“A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America, than the whole force of the common enemy.”. Samuel Adams
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 12:35pmJust typical “Modern” law enforcement. Whenever confronted by a crime with no obvious/easy “Suspects”, begin “Creative” manufacturing of a “Suitable Suspect” as soon as possible. Getting the real perp is not the object of the game, Closing the case is. It’s loads less work to do, and so long as “Somebody” goes to jail, the books are clean, and it’s Miller Time.
Please remember that now days, virtually all LE is “Unionized” labor. You get what you pay for.
Report Post »thebear
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 1:23pmHere in Texas Law Enforcement is not unionized for the most part. Nor are the teachers (and most of us want to keep it that way). Thats why we cant get any federal help, because Obummer and the Washington libs arent going to do anything to help as state that is mostly conservative. They turned us down on funds to help those in south tex from hurricane ermine (i think thats the one) and we got special provisions added to Piglosi’s special Education bill to keep teachers working that only applied to Texas, no other state, to keep us from getting any of it. I know, Im a special ed teacher whose position got defunded and am unemployed now due to most schools in my area cutting back on hiring this year. And we need to keep Bill White from being elected gov or our state will become public unionized.
Report Post »Its time to say to heck with Washington and lets take care of this kinda crap by ourselves. And Texans are just the ones to do it. Maybe its time for us to become the Republic of Texas again.
uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 1:34pmI would like to take great exception to your comments Sir. I know it to be fact that the overwhelming majority of LEA in the United States is carried out by brave and moral citizens with a sincere attitude of the kind of professionalism and commitment to justice and protection, befitting LEO’s. You Sir, regardless of your background and or experience can not equate the corrupt mis- dealings of the failed authority in Mexico, to the noble effort of our working class countrymen and women who put their very lives on the line when they strap on their weapons and bear their shields in the daily fight against crime across our land. You should be ashamed of yourself for your comments and go find the first LEO you can and thank him or her for a job well done Sir. Then pray that you should have the fortune of the protection of one of our true American heroes, the cop, should the necessity ever bear down upon your very existence.
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on October 12, 2010 at 12:29pmWell HADENOUGH, they sure have you brainwashed to a fair thee well. As you touch on in your pathetic rant, YOU certainly do not have any idea whatsoever of my “Background” nor “Experience” concerning what is laughingly referred to as Law Enforcement in this country. IF, you did have even the slightest insight into that background and experience, it would be more “Reality” than your Pea sized brain could endure. I love it when folks like you jump up and make blanket statements about things you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about, when the truth happens to offend your artificially supported view of the NA-NU, NA-NU LAND you live in.
You Sir are an IDIOT, and school is out at 3:00PM. No point in trying to enlighten a SHEEP, when you’re done, it’s still a dumb assed SHEEP after all. Believe what you want, it will be YOUR neck with THEIR boot on it, not MINE.
Bottom line is:
The POLICE are there, to SERVE&PROTECT, “ONLY” the political subdivision that issues their credentials, and paychecks. Their primary functions, and the ONLY ONES they are LEGALLY REQUIRED to perform are :
Insure the CONTINUED ansd UNINTERUPTED COLLECTION of TAXES by that Political Subdivision, using whatever force is required.
And, to act as an ARMY of OCCUPATION to keep the TAXPAYING SLAVES in line, producing and paying those taxes.
The POLICE have no duty nor legal obligation to do anything else, for you me nor anybody else. That which they do manage to do, with respect to curbing Criminal Activity is purely INCIDENTAL, and serves as the RATIONALE for having them armed and on the street.
Now I am sure your bowels are about to move, lest your head explode from the pressure curve. However, IF you want to gain a greater understanding of the above TRUTHS, please go and read up on the ORIGINS of MODERN POLICING first implemented in France after their Revolution. Also read the pertinent rulings by virtually ever Court in the land, including SCOTUS. You will then understand just how really “ON YOUR OWN” we all are, with respect to Law Enforcement.
Thank you for your concern over my potential future “NEED” for Protection by these folks. The sun will never rise on that day, I assure you. From “EXPERIENCE” of being “INTIMATELY” involved with them, I’d sooner depend on the Wino on the Park Bench, for assistance, than the “THIN BLUE LINE BOYS”.
From my “BACKGROUND” and “EXPERIENCE” I have “CONFIRMED” that which my dear old daddy told me over 50 years ago, “My boy, there are TWO kinds of CROOKS in this world. The REGULAR ones that operate OUTSIDE the LAW and the INSTITUTIONAL ones that operate WITHIN the LAW. BOTH want to steal from you, but the second group is just too scared to do it the regular way!”
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 12:20pmSeveral points here:
Report Post »1. Evidently the first suspicion was that TIFFANY was suspect in killing her own husband. The obvious was being ignored because it involved MEXICANS!
2. These are only SUSPECTS. Nobody is in custody, and considering that these are leaders of a local drug gang…they very possibly will NEVER be brought in.
3. There is no DEATH PENALTY or even LIFE IN PRISON in Mexico….JUSTICE WILL NEVER BE SERVED IN THIS CASE!!!!
globalcyclist
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 1:05pmagreeed an all counts
Report Post »wonderbug
Posted on October 12, 2010 at 9:52amI really did not understand why anyone would have even questioned her sincerity, but your first point there…….. that makes a lot of sense. My heart goes out to this woman.
Report Post »Onward2Victory
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 12:14pmGee, I thought the strategy here was to accuse the widow, pin it on her, and quickly move on. After all we have drug cartels, international relations, immigrant issues, and border security in the weigh.
BTW, did anyone notice how quickly the mainstream media jumped in to join that attack? I guess she was disposable in light of “other interests”.
Report Post »Beltfeed
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:55amI feel that we should have troops protecting our borders with orders to defend American citizen at all cost. Evan if we have to enter into Mexico in doing so.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 12:22pmNot going to happen here….at least for another two years. But that 50,000 man force left in Iraq sure would come in handy on the border here. Maybe they can be pulled out in 2013 and re-deployed where they’ll do some good?
Report Post »Erdnase
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:52amIMHO….We need to not only control our border but also a five mile buffer zone on the Mexico side, with or w/o Mexico help/approval. Snuff the cartels for that five miles and the Border would then be under US control. I’m sure the decent citizens w/in the buffer zone would also appreciate the gesture. Man up Bee Oh do your job!
Report Post »Marine Recon Dad
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:52amGee.. sounds like people are starting to believe her now. What did the Liberals and doubters expect to find out there – a floating outline of a body crime scene victim? Too many have watched Naked Gun and believe OJ is innocent.
Report Post »Mirimichi
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:51amTime to invade Mexico and install some law and order.
Report Post »uhadenoughyet.com
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 1:23pmWhile I think your statements are a bit over the top, at least with regard to invasion, you may be on to something. It is my profound belief that regime change has become inevitable with respect to an obviously failing Mexican government. Not to say that regime change should be the policy of the US, but, maybe it should be. I don’t know how anyone with an IQ over 10 can look at the current failing state in Mexico and not agree that by definition Mexico is already undergoing the process of regime change. 30,000 dead last year in the narco war and no end in sight. The narco terrorists in Mexico have the corrupt and slimy regime on the ropes and even the Mexican Army cannot stop the violence. This situation could easily be brought to an end by US involvement, but I don’t think it would or should look like an invasion. Alternatively we should be lending our hand in the decapitation of the drug cartels leadership and splinter the remaining factions. However if that is all we do then it would be safe to say the decapitated leadership would only spring hydra-like new heads under the current Mexican Governments corrupt elites who would be easily co opted by the violence and money that would remain after the decapitation and a withdrawal of US support. In short, I think regime change is coming to Mexico regardless of US intervention and better that we should assist and help steer the eventual form of government vs. allowing the proverbial tortilla chips to fall where they may.
Report Post »GringoBob
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:49amit will be good to get this behind us
Report Post »Highmiles
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:47amIt’s about time, they did something.
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