Report: Hidden Expenses Associated With Wind Farming Cancels Out ‘Green’ Benefits
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Civitas, an independent think tank, recently published a report by British economist Ruth Lea — director of the manufacturing renewal project at Civitas and an economic adviser to the Arbuthnot Banking Group – that concludes the expense of wind farms and need for backup energy makes harvesting wind “inordinately expensive and ineffective at cutting emissions.”
According to the U.K.’s Climate Change Act, signed in 2008, greenhouse gas emission goals set a 20 percent reduction by 2020 compared to 1990 levels and an 80 percent cut by 2050. Such drastic reductions fundamentally change the way many businesses operate and require adoption of renewable energy or carbon-cutting technology. Since generation of electricity alone accounted for nearly a third of the U.K.’s CO2 emissions in 2010, according to the report, this is clearly an area where the government is seeking to make improvements.
The Telegraph reports that the U.K. plans to build as many as 32,000 wind turbines in the next two decades. This initiative is part of a goal set by EU’s Renewables Directive to have 15 percent of the energy produced in the U.K. come from renewables by 2020.
The Civitas report states that while wind power looks like a competitive option for alternative energy, additional costs associated are not being considered and may in fact negate the carbon-saving benefits:
The costing of wind-power electricity generation is clearly very complex. But one conclusion can safely be drawn and that is that wind-power is expensive – especially offshore. Under these circumstances it seems unwise to be embarking on a huge programme of investment in wind generated electricity, especially when the country is facing grave economic challenges. This analysis also ignores the perceived environmental costs of wind-power, especially onshore wind turbines.
According to the report, Lea finds that the expense of maintaining backup forms of energy for periods of unreliable wind power could mean that “energy users pay twice: once for the window-dressing of renewables, and again for the fossil fuels that the energy sector continues to rely on.”
The Telegraph reports that skeptics of this research consider evidence in the report “outdated and inaccurate.” According to The Telegraph, Dr. Gordon Edge, director of policy at the lobby group RenewableUK, said the information in the report was developed by “anti-wind cranks” and went on to explain that wind power is meant to supplement existing fossil fuels not replace it all together.
Although Edge considers the data evaluated by Lea as outdated, most of her analysis is based on the U.K.’s Department of Energy and Climate Change 2010 report on electricity generation costs of the major technologies, which includes wind turbines, nuclear, and use of traditional fossil fuels with carbon capture and storage.
This table from the Civitas report evaluates costs of different energy producing technologies in the near term.
Lea also makes note of a 2011 BBC report that states in periods of intense cold, when coal- and gas-fired power stations are relied upon the most, analysis of the weather has shown little to no wind available to generate power.
The Civitas report also points out that work published by the Dutch physicist C. le Pair in October 2011 that found even on “normal windy days” in the Netherlands use of wind turbines actually increased fossil fuel consumption and therefore increased CO2 emissions. It should be noted that this research was published on le Pair’s website and has not been peer reviewed, according to The Guardian. The Guardian states this is not to say the research should be discounted, but that it should be vetted by other experts in the field before holding to this claim.
The Huffington Post UK reports that a spokesperson for the DECC said that the department acknowledges some of the upfront costs associated with wind turbines, which it is working to reduce, but still considers wind power is still a viable source of energy now.
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chips1
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:05pmIf wind power is so expensive, tell Obama to blow it out his…
Report Post »MuskratProblem
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:23pmWell, it looks like the EPA was… *puts on sunglasses* Blown away…
YEEAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
Report Post »HKS
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 3:28pmThe ugliest things I have ever seen in the west. Has anyone said how many birds are shoveled up under that mess everyday.
Report Post »Yeah_Buddy
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:24pmIf it is cloudy for an extended period of time, say due to some catastrophic event, will solar panels be useless too?
Report Post »getalong
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:48pmIs anyone surprised? No more of these monstrosities in open fields. They are ugly, they drive residents crazy with the constant whirring of the blades that act as a strobe light with the sun, and they do untold damage to birds and ground animals. Another dumb, dumb idea by this administration and untold taxpayer dollars thrown away. Waste, waste, waste,………..
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 5:03pmThe major floods in Vermont and north western Massachusetts from hurricane irene are directly attributed to windmills. The rivers that generate power have been preventing hydro plants from releasing water because the windmills have lowered the price of electricity. Ther hydro plants store the water for high demand peak hours and couldn’t dump the water quick enough when storm was coming. The result was billions of dollars of damage
Report Post »The Sergeant Major
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 5:32pmWere saving money now!!! Now we need to look at Bio-fuels and Corn Ethanol. How much has the DOT and DOD spent on alternative fuels?
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 5:48pmOn a real windy day, if we can point all these turbines in the same direction, and get the props spinning real fast, maybe we can speed up the earths rotation, and go forward in time to next November.
Report Post »recoveringneocon
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 6:13pmWhat we need is A PRO-ENERGY PRESIDENT
Report Post »As President, Ron Paul will lead the fight to:
* Remove restrictions on drilling, so companies can tap into the vast amount of oil we have here at home.
* Repeal the federal tax on gasoline. Eliminating the federal gas tax would result in an 18 cents savings per gallon for American consumers.
* Lift government roadblocks to the use of coal and nuclear power.
* Eliminate the ineffective EPA. Polluters should answer directly to property owners in court for the damages they create – not to Washington.
* Make tax credits available for the purchase and production of alternative fuel technologies.
lukerw
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 8:22pmThe Expense of Wind & Solar… was Known… but ignored by the Media & Left to promote their Agenda. F is for failing to do Your HomeWork!
Report Post »INOGAWD
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 9:15pmWindmills add such a wonderful touch to our skyline !!!
Report Post »INOGAWD
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 9:45pmI want to know where the EPA, PITA and Tree Huggers are ???
No one talks about the DAMAGE caused by the installation
of these eyesores….Unbelievable..Obamas Legacy, PUKE !!
Check out the DAMAGE to a prestine mountain hilltop in Maine..
http://www.wind-power-problems.org/
Report Post »merchantsailor
Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:57pmThese great wind turbines are folly. They consume lost of energy just to function. The majority of people do not know. As a marine engineer its subsystems consume energy just to keep the “main” operational. Lube oil system to cool and lubricate it reduction gears heat exchangers or radiators to cool the lube oil. Energy is needed to run the motors for the lube oil pumps, fans, directional gyros, governors and all the other myriad systems it has. Just look how big these things are. Folly I tell you. As for Solar it has been around for what 50 years? It has not progressed one iota for commercial use. Only for space has it come to its forte. Batteries heavy and expensive and great for what their intended use. Limited power supply. Check this out for an alternative.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AUurBnLbJw
gmoneytx
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:03pmSounds like they are full of “hot air”…
That “blows” I thought wind power was environmentally proper…
I think this technology is like dust in the “wind”…
You know, most of these environmentalists are just ******* in the “wind” with this report surfacing.
These environmentalists tend to go where the “wind” blows anyway!
I bet they are “blown” away with this report!
Report Post »turkey13
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:19pmI want to know where PETA is. The wind turbines kill birds every day. If we cover the globe pretty soon their won’t be any birds. Without birds we will have to up the amounts of poison on our crops because a lack of birds. We then will have poisoned food and runoff into the streams and water table. How about using the ocean waves to turn underwater turbines- with gaps between blades big enough for the fish to get thru. No – won’t work, the Kennedys, Gore and John Carry don’t want an eyesore.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:56pmVery Punny Gmoneytx!
On a lighter note… I’ll bet these turbines can be retrofitted to be very effective guillotines, when the time comes. Dice up all the greenies and libs, like a big giant “Slap Chop”!
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:05pmLove sight these giant fans. The world is LOLing us.
Report Post »greensteam
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:07pm@turkey13 imo, the real problem is wind farms kill tons of bats. bats keep the bug populations in control. do you get alot of stink bugs in your part of the country? we do in mine. we also have wind turbines popping up all over. we get absurd amonts of asian lady beetles, and many other flying bugs that bats would otherwise consume. bats seem to be kinda attracted to the sound of the wind mills. they have poor eye sight and travel via bat sonar. they fly into the blades often. where is peta on that?
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:47pmExcellent Hurricane of Puns Gmoneytx. I almost broke my drum set trying to keep up.
Report Post »G-WHIZ
Posted on January 11, 2012 at 11:58amand…don’t forget the power needed to heat the gears and blades to keep the un-ballancing-ice off on wintertime. and the too-high of winds to produce too much and also explode the mill…and the power to keep the blade “spinning” when there is no wind so the blades donot “sag” or have bearing-lube problems….etc…etc…etc… .
Report Post »georgeisn6
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:03pmThe question’s that we need to be asking is, Who will be responsible for cleaning up these enviormental night mares when it is proven that no one in the world can affored them? Of course it will be the poor long suffering tax payer.
Report Post »bigpicture
Posted on January 11, 2012 at 12:15amIn New Jersey, the utility company put up thousands of 2‘ x 4’ solar panels on telephone poles. They look ugly and when the project is completed, it will barely power homes in part of a small town – but only when the sun shines. Oh, and since the geniuses installed then along major roads, how long do think it is going to take before they are covered with dirt and lose 50% of their efficiency? I’ve even seen birds pooping on them. Looks like a job for the EPA!
Maybe it’s really a jobs plan to hire more union workers to clean the solar panels!
Report Post »TEIN
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:02pm“..inordinately expensive and ineffective at cutting emissions.”
Like I have been saying, until you can produce a windmill with only windmill power..how long does a windwill have to fun before it offsets its own production?? The ore for the windmill, transportation, casting and building, the energy used to asseble all comes from petro/coal based power…smoke and mirrors…
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:10pmall so called green energy is or has some kind of environmental impact,nothing is green, every thing produced makes waste,uses oil to make, and so on ,it is just like those stupid light bulbs,they are suppose to use less energy,but cost twice as much to produce and they are way more toxic to the environment because the contain mercury, but hey,just as long as the manufacture is getting rich,who cares about the environment.
Report Post »Dumbwhiteguy
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 7:08pmHey, We can build more.
Report Post »G-WHIZ
Posted on January 11, 2012 at 12:02pmLots-a’ smoke……..and lots-a’ dirty mirrors….lolol !
Report Post »ROMANS 10-9
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:01pm.
Exactly what Glen Beck and Rush said 2 years ago!
Report Post »deeberj
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 3:48pmExactly what I knew before that.
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:59amduh,hello but it does not matter, the communist regime and their retarded allies will continue to lie,cheat and steal to get their agenda pushed through, if it means all of these so called green energy companies fail and all of the workers are living on welfare and the owners steal { lose } all the money,no worry’s,obama will just give them more money.do worry about it,it will all be okay,just go back to doing nothing and obama will see to it that the usa is taken care of,one way or the other.
Report Post »ThomasUSA
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:41pmJust look at China’s “ghost cities” and you will see a manisfestation of the Colective Mind.. It’s like everything the Communist/Marxist/Socialist/Progressive do.. They believe in… ” Build it and they will come (to their senses after it‘s already paid for with someone else’s time and money)”…
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:58amFirst response: Duh?
Second thought: Please remove the bleached blond bimbo variously holding the banana like a phallus with mouth open, with avocado in cleavage, etc.; I realize it‘s advertisement money and I realize you’re a major dork and the most you got in high school was from rosey palm and her five friends (ditto for the other dorks producing your show), but c’mon, your adverts are starting to get retarded.
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:04pmeasy there hoss,it is going to be okay,i agree,but you are starting to post in a foreign tone.just take a deep breath and think about how great it will be when obama and his commie allies are out of the white house. just joking!
Report Post »Exiled
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:12pmI had to turn off my adblocker just to see it.
Report Post »Yeah_Buddy
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:29pmWhere is banana eating hot babe. I’m missing something.
Report Post »TX_45_ACP
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:52amThey will continue to push for them even if they are not green. It gives governments a good excuse for land grabs. I wonder if the Agenda 21 proponents are ok with so much land being misused? Doubt it.
Report Post »Mr Sanders
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:24pmThey don’t care – the land is tied up in their “GREEN” power initiative – what a crock!
That‘s what Agenda21’s & the Sierra Club desire; tie up the land with GREEN projects or nothing at all.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:52amwe are so torn on this one, the wind is free, yet these machines are NOT [ and they are harkening back ..pulling us back?.. to the dark 3rd World Middle Ages like obama/islam WANTS Prosperous Clean Efficient America to be plunged into.. right along with those dingy dim blue communist 'LIGHT BULBS' ] === the wind is free BUT in no way should America be forced to shut down her ALSO dependable coal and oil in favor of any of this green nonsense. green = communist= 3rd World.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:56amwe use an old farm windmill to draw water from 60′ down to refill our stock pond and water troughs. ……..we would never hope to use it to fuel our lives. the wind does NOT blow all the time.
Report Post »broker0101
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:49amYou’re all missing the real point. IF a person or company could build one wind turbine the size of a stop sign in the most remote, uninhabitable place on Earth that could generate and wireless deliver more power than all of humanity would ever need for a tenth the cost of today’s coal-fired Kilowatt Hour, the Greenies would demand it be shut it down. They’d accuse the provider of “Greed”, “Selfishness”, “Racism” (trust me) and still find a way to claim it was destroying the planet. Greenies don’t give a Rip about the “environment”. What they care about is the destruction of capitalism. Especially American Capitalism.
Report Post »Pajaken
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:46amIt is finally becoming apparent to everyone that green power is a bad joke perpetrated on the American people by Al Gore and his lying band of phony scientists. Green power is a myth because of all the hidden costs associated with the wind turbines. The cost of building them and installing them is five times the amount reported by proponents. The costs involved in running them, is making them ineffective as a dependable source of energy. They have to have backup plants using coal, gas, oil, or any other means, like water in dams generating power. Obama and the EPA and all the other government agencies that regulate power are dead against providing newer and more efficient power plants like nuclear or any of the cleaner choices available. People have been lied to so often by the powers that be in government that they trust no-one anymore. We have enough oil and gas right here in this country to supply us for 300 years or more. The only problem we have is that Obama refuses to let the oil companies drill for it. They put obstacles in the way with lawsuits and presidential orders to stop drilling and closing areas off. This President has done everything possible to hurt our economy and drive us to the edge of fiscal collapse than it is possible to do in three short years. Now he wants more time in office to do more to destroy us. We know he hates whites and wants to destroy us all if he can. Obama must go. God Bless America.
Report Post »Obama must go as soon as possible
BurntHills
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:53amTrue !!!!
Report Post »wboehmer
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:45amWhen you take government subsidy out of wind, solar, etc., they collapse on the economics. The basic reason is not one of technology, but of scale.These methods collect energy that is too dilute to be competitive with fuel-based generation.
While government arguably has a role when there’s a technology hurdle in the way of implementing a type of energy source, such is not the case with wind & solar. So, government’s role has become one of pushing an energy agenda based on politics. In the end, this approach will fail.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:41am.
Report Post »Well we could hire Monica to Blow on it………Wait that would be suck My Bad……….
Ruler4You
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:48amIt only depends on which side of turbine you are on as to whether or not it’s blowing or sucking.
IMHBLO, this HAD to have been known prior to the very first construction of the very first wind turbine. It had to be calculable. The thing that made it a “sound economic choice” was the government subsidies. Of course, GE had an “IN” at the government level.
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:52amYep…and they are beginning construction of one of these “farms” in northern Arizona…it is a CRIME!
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:54amtime to leave the poor girl alone, and focus on what Flotus the Wonder Sow has done partying on more than $10 million plus American tax dollars.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:12pm.
@BurntHills
Does FLOTUS have a Blue Dress?………..We’re gonna need a replacement, if we have to leave Monica alone……
Report Post »Dustoff
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:19pmThat is SO bad. (-:
Back to your corner.
Report Post »TAXLORDCOMETH
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:40amWind farms also require the construction of these ugly gray transmission lines that have to transmit the power across vast distances. They don’t have the concentrated effect of a single nat gas plant located in one location.
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:39amI like it when their green crap comes forward and proves it doesn’t work, so far, Solyndra and others down, electric cars down, and windmills down,, What else?? God help us!
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:43amGreen has been very successful in raising your electric bill.
Report Post »Yeah_Buddy
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:34pmWind mills still have a place…in 1800′s technology. I recall seeing a little wind mill that pumped water up about 10 feet. it was so cute! it looked like a hampster treadmill waterpark!
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:38amGreen is another word for “ socialist ”
Report Post »bajaman
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:46amThank you!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:18pmThe whole notion of a “green economy” was always a mirage. When the technology is there to move from fossil fuels to something better, people will gravitate to it without govenmwnt assistance. I find it interesting that Obama has shut down GMs hydrogen fuel cell R&M. That is one that actually works…yet he pushes batteries, windmills and solar panels. Ever wonder why?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:24pmR&D that is.
Report Post »Melvin Spittle
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:34amWind farms in Cali are creating a significant amount of “shredded tweet” that the greenies don’t want to include in their reports until they can resolve the moral conflict of what is more important: Saving the earth or saving the winged citizens that according to them, have the same rights as humans. I hope these greenie groups eat each other over this one.
Report Post »bajaman
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:52amMelvin, the same village idiots that 20 year ago said we needed to use plastic bags, NOT BROWN PAPER BAGS, are now saying, “Ooops, rememeber that whole plastic bag thingy, well everybody needs to stop using plastic and go back to paper now”.
Report Post »I just read this morning in my local news that the EPA is coming down hard on a RECYCLING PLANT for some “crime” they’ve committed.
Melvin Spittle
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:04pmThe EPA are a boat load of idiots. When I worked for the federal government, their vehicles in the motor pool had fluid leaks that required drip pans. When they go out for the day with those vehicles, do the leaks magically stop? Most of the time they forget to place the pans under the vehicle and when they do, they are not under the leaks in many cases. Why are they not imposing fines on themselves? What’s good for the goose…..just sayin’…
Report Post »APPAULED
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:06pmI do too. I would side with the birds/bats myself, primarily because I dont want to be eaten alive by mosquitos.
Gosh, they need to do some testing in different locations and review the data “pros vs con’s” before implementing ANYTHING. It is ridiculous to sign something into law when you don’t know everything you need to know first. Typical
Report Post »diablosho
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:33amThe windmills out here in SoCal don’t even turn most of the time. Seriously…drive past the miles and miles of windmills, and you may see 5% actually turning (and SLOWLY at that)…
Report Post »G-WHIZ
Posted on January 11, 2012 at 12:14pmThey have to keep them turning-slowly, with no wind, to keep the bearings lubed, and this sucks out electricity from the grid.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:28am.
Report Post »You get the same ammount of energy by eating chilli & beans, and farting on a pinwheel………
abbygirl1994
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:32amHahahahahaha,, that was very funny… Gotta remember that one!
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:33amor the wind off of a spanking a monkey motion.
Report Post »SenorStrange
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:58amum…they are against “natural gas”, also….sorry.
Report Post »Drakkhanlord
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:10pmnice…thanks
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:27amGreen is the color the BHO and the UN are using to move toward a NWO.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kqVZUCRth0&t=16m26s
HorseCrazy
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:24amin America we are destroying our landscape and local bird populations with these wind farms. they are a disgusting waste of money and good land. in my lovely state of washington one needs to just drie over snoqualmie pass to start viewing the wind farms. they have taken perfectly fine free range cattle land and destroyed it.
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:30amIn Texas, they are literally covering huge portions of our landscape with these ugly windmills. They are a waste of space, and will only be in operation, as long as the government subsidies are available to prop up this totally wasteful endeavor.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:24amI sell products to wind farms like office supplies and tools. The operators sit around and talk on the phone all day, surf the Internet and really do little work as far as I can see…Looks like a good Union job, but they are non-union. The fleecing of America with the green agenda is so bad, this article does not even touch the surface of the problems. And those “green” turbimes, they dont turn as musch as you think either. A really dumb idea…
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:22amThe only thing green about the green movement , is money… Just ask Al Gore.
Report Post »Unbelievable
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:27amHe sure did make a lot of “green” off of this scam!!
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:37amYes, and it aids BHO in shutting down oil (our national security right now) and cause much higher energy costs with retooling, etc.. Pretty insane to do, especially during a bad economy…unless your goal is to harm.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:41amYou got that right .. the fleecing of the American People!
Report Post »beckisnutsisnuts
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:21amLOL, when I was out in California for my job, I saw those ridiculous farms dot the landscape. What a bunch of know nothing, liberal retards!
Report Post »TX_45_ACP
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:53amI’ve seen them out there. What a way to “uglify” the beautiful landscapes in California. What a way to kill birds and bats. I am surprised PETA is standing for this!!! ;)
Report Post »chips1
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:18pmIf they kill bats, Waxman must be shaking in his boots.
Report Post »jungle J
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:19amall sane people know this.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:17pmThe key word is SANE. Liberalism is a mental disorder so sanity flys out the window. You ever notice how liberals start off with arguments and end with name calling. Because when facts counter your every argument and you’re unwilling to accept them name calling is all you have left.
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