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Report: Iran Claims Subs ‘Can Easily Target’ U.S. Carriers in Persian Gulf

Would Iran make the first move against the U.S. and fire torpedoes at the U.S. Fleet?

Possibly. And if it did, according to a report citing a senior Iranian military commander’s announcement today, the Islamic Republic could choose to ambush the American fleet with submarines.

Report: Iran Claims Submarines Can Easily Target U.S. Carriers in Persian Gulf

Rear Admiral Farhad Amiri — who is also the Lieutenant Commander of the Iranian Army’s Self-Sufficiency Jihad – told Iran’s state news agency Fars that their navy has the best electric diesel submarines in the world. Amiri cautioned that while the U.S. has focused on Tehran’s “astonishing surface capabilities,” it has neglected to consider what could be the more dangerous undersea threat.

Amiri also told Fars that “When the submarine lies on the sea bed, it can easily target an aircraft carrier that is passing nearby…that is one of the US concerns since Iranian submarines are noiseless and can easily evade detection as they are equipped with the sonar-evading technology.”

The opening paragraph of the Fars story didn’t parse any words:

A senior Iranian military commander underlined that the Iranian Navy‘s subsurface vessels enjoy a high capability to confront enemies’ threats, and stated that Iran’s submarines are able to ambush and hit enemy vessels specially US Aircraft carriers from the seabed throughout the Persian Gulf.

Iran officially states that it has 17 Ghadir diesel electric subs in its fleet, according to Business Insider. Despite the overwhelming superiority of the U.S. military, the Iranian threat to vessels and oil shipments in the Persian Gulf is real, particularly in a sneak attack scenario.

Earlier this month Iran threatened the U.S. Fifth Fleet with attack after the John C. Stennis passed through the Strait of Hormuz. Iranian Army Commander Major General Ataollah Salehi said  ”We advise, warn and recommend [the U.S. Navy] not to return this carrier to its previous location in the Persian Gulf.”

“We are not in the habit of repeating the warning and we warn only once,” Salehi said.

Whether this is pure bluster from Iran or a threat with teeth behind it remains to be seen.

(h/t Business Insider)

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  • soybomb315
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:52pm

    I dont think iran is suicidal

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    • Chuck Stein
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:03pm

      It doesn’t sound like you have heard of “The 12th Imam” or “The Mahdi” — and the fact that Iran’s leadership believes in that apocalyptic story. Or, perhaps by “Iran” you mean the majority of the Iranian people? Sadly, under totalitarian theocracy, the leaders are who make the decisions and they do so without the consent of the governed.

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:24pm

      Obama know this too.

      Obama wants one of our carriers sunk so he can then surrender. No one in their right mind would order a carrier into the narrow waters of the Persian Gulf unless they are inviting a sinking. The Persian Gulf are enemy waters. This plot is right out of some Tom Clancy novel.

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    • rt elms
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:27pm

      Chuck – I guess kind of like what we are experiencing with our current administration

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    • pmacres
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:49pm

      Time to slam something at a prime target,,they will shut up soon

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    • Captain77
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:59pm

      I don’t think Iran is suicidal either, but you back any animal into a corner, which is being done to Iran, it may feel it has no choice but to attack.

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    • FreedomPurveyor
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 6:03pm

      I can see Obama’s response now…

      “Iran has sunk one of our carriers… we have asked them to stop. If they do not comply, we will be forced to ask them more sternly.”

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    • Jefferson
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 6:03pm

      @Chuck Stein
      “Sadly, under totalitarian theocracy, the leaders are who make the decisions and they do so without the consent of the governed.”

      The same case could be made for this country, Israel, and most other countries.

      Most of Iran’s population is young and somewhat westernized. They know–just like some of us here know– that their Govt. is out of control.
      Iran’s Govt. uses fear to control their population. It’s the old “enemy at the gates” routine. As long as there are threatening ships on their shores and an American CIA and Israeli Mossad overthrowing their elected leaders since at least 1953, they have all the reasons they need to try and keep their people in fear.
      The majority of Iranian people do not believe in all of this 12th IMAM BS. Their Mullahs maybe, but not the people who outnumber them. This BS has been fed to you by the state controlled media here in the US by rodeo clowns like Glenn Beck and others.
      You have religious nuts on both sides of the equation, and people that JUST want to live their lives and be left alone, in between.
      What is wrong with backing off, taking care of OUR out of control Govt., and letting the people of Iran handle THEIR out of control Govt.?
      I guess you would prefer an attack on Iran and the start of WWIII, which would drive the final nail in our economic coffin.
      I mean total financial and societal collapse here, is MUCH better than worrying if Iran is going to get a nuke in the next few years.

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    • bhohater
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 6:07pm

      Iran knows that if they attacked one of our ships their entire navy would cease to exist within 48 hours.

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    • elihu
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 6:18pm

      All Mooslims are suicidal; just to different degrees…

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    • rwandrw
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 6:29pm

      No they are, not like MAD with Russia, they die to kill infidels they are assured a spot in “heaven” other then dyeing for Allah’s they are not assured entrance in to heaven

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    • JUSTDOUGIE
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 6:35pm

      Iran has twelve more months in which to play this little game, and then Romney takes over! Iran has fifty more months to play this little game. Then…maybe a third party?

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    • KickinBack
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 6:47pm

      In a hurry to meet Allah? Join the Iranian Navy!

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 7:13pm

      @ Jefferson
      So, you favor an Iran with nuclear weapons.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 7:23pm

      This is what they call Saber-rattling

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    • Patrick Henry II
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 7:30pm

      We can sink these Russian Nuke Subs sold to Iran by Al Gore. We have the ability.

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 7:37pm

      We actually are vulnerable to a sucker punch. If they shoot first, they can mount a successful attack.
      The did it before with little success. At that time Reagan was President. He sank their entire Navy.

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    • cariboodragon
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:00pm

      You might not want to be so confident

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    • Rollo2
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:28pm

      I think their leadership is.

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:37pm

      @ Jefferson
      So, you are in favor of a nuclear Iran.

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    • robert
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:52pm

      “Whether this is pure bluster from Iran or a threat with teeth behind it remains to be seen.”

      Iran has been preparing for a confrontation for over ten years now. They have made sanctions against them irrelevant by building their own equipment and weapons, with the help of other nations around the world, especially Russia, North Korea, China, and, to some extent, Pakistan.

      According to Debka and Stratfor, Iran bought Sunburn anti-ship missiles from Russia which zoom along just above the water at about 2.5 mach speed and are virtually impossible to defend against. I’m surprised these weapons, plus the S-300 Anti-aircraft, anti-missile system that has the capability of knocking modern planes from the sky, bought from Russia also, haven’t been mentioned in these many press articles about the risks of war.

      I’m pretty sure the radical MSM is ignoring the threats of these weapons, because they favor war against Iran and revealing Iran’s full potential might give too many people second thoughts about entering another costly, deadly war.

      There is no way Iran could defeat the US in an all out conflict, but if the US politicians and Pentagon brass are thinking of creating another smash and grab war as in Iraq they’ll surely cause the loss of MANY American lives and bring down the world economy with it.

      And make no mistake about it, a war with Iran will set the entire Middle East afire and cause hundreds of jhadist attacks throughout the West.

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 10:25pm

      @ Robert
      Their weapons systems will work fine – as long as they use them first. The Aegis ships can handle incoming missiles. Remember, one of them took out an orbiting satellite. Their guidance systems can be jammed. They will only get one shot, then the launch site will be located and the radar will be destroyed. The rest of the site will follow. Their anti-air systems will be brought down a piece at a time. The Navy will cease to exist very quickly. The static hydrophone system on the floor of the gulf will have all their ships and subs located, and they will all sink. Their air force won’t last too long.
      Here is the question. If we have pulled all their teeth, why would we have to invade them. Once we have eliminated their nuke program, what do we care what they do?

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    • cclevel
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 10:48pm

      As a 20 year retired submariner the photo that is used is not of the Iranian made Ghadir submarine. That is a photo of a Russian made Kilo submarine. Google the two submarines and you will notice a difference. Having said this I believe they purchased a few of the Kilos from the Russian Navy. Their bark is probably larger then their bite but it only takes a lucky shot. Having said that it probably would take more then one shot to sink a carrier. Diesel boats are most effective in straights and near choke points. As a Sonar Tech their submarine program is only as good as their sound silencing program and their training. I suspect both are lacking and are no where near ours.

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    • mwgts
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 11:17pm

      No Iran, just makes the vests for the suicide bombers that have killed so many of my brothers over there. Make no mistake this is serious. They want to rise up the Persian empire and their little Hitler just finished up a trip this week with our enemies down south, i.e. football head Hugo. If you want to see the potential script for how this could play out, read Joel C. Rosenberg’s book “The Ezekiel Option” The Russian and “Persian” Empires are setting the stage. Remember, this is the country that invented chess, they do not take a crap without a plan.

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 11:26pm

      @ cclevel
      Thank You for your service, Bubblehead

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    • mwgts
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 11:32pm

      If we get down to brass tax, we have been at war with muslim extremist since the begining of our country, google the Barbary Wars and I think you find it shocking. have you asked yourself why in the Marine hymn they say to “the shores of Tripoli”? Read what our founding fathers had to contend with over 200 years ago. Those that do not know history are DOOMED to repeat it.
      I will share with you I have been through the Straits over 20 times and it is an amazing sight and very surreal because you realize what passes through there every day and how narrow it is.

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    • Dave In Arizona
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 11:40pm

      Stein, I believe is correct.The leadership of Iran IS suicidal. But, I don‘t know if they’re completely stupid. Take on the US Navy? Would Iran have a navy, air force, nuclear facilities afterwards? Depends on what kind of cojones (if any) Obama has?

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    • MYHEROISRON
      Posted on January 19, 2012 at 7:48am

      Stupid muslim Iranian morons sure are in a hurry to kiss allah’s butt! Mohammad is mopping my bathroom floor by the way … and all of my bullets have been dipped in pig blood.

      Iran … soon to be the largest glow-in-the-dark glass parking lot on the face of the earth … May all of ISLAM burn in a nuclear hell …

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    • enzomedici
      Posted on January 19, 2012 at 10:01am

      I think they are. Hell, most of the people on this forum believe that Jesus is coming back, which to me is just as ridiculous. The funny thing is that the people who believe Jesus is coming back make fun of the Iranians who think the Mahdi is coming. The reality is that both groups are equally stupid.

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    • 2Amendment
      Posted on January 19, 2012 at 10:36am

      @teamarcheson
      Carriers have been operating in the Gulf for many many years. The biggest danger is not the waters but the short response time originating from land. Remember the jet liner shot down by a cruser a few years back. Decisionst hat have to be made immediately with little info are a huge risk.

      I bet the Iranian subs are not the major concern of the military.

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    • Evileye
      Posted on January 19, 2012 at 12:45pm

      I would give the Iranian Navy about 1 hour and 30 second before there sunk.
      Before Obumbler An attract on a capital ship war war.
      For them to attract a carrier would be about as dumb as Saddam digging his tank so they could only fire south.These people spend to much time out in the sun baking there brains if they had any to start with.
      Send a cruise missile into the president of Iran bed room window at 2 am.
      Then ask the next tin horn whom would like to be next.

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    • robert
      Posted on January 19, 2012 at 2:35pm

      Buck Shane
      Yes, the US ships can handle incoming missiles so long as they can anticipate their end maneuvers and when they are fired, but they cannot. It takes only a split second from firing to impact for these missiles to do their damage.

      Too the Sunburn isn’t detectable by radar, so defensive responses have to be constantly in play, which is virtually impossible. The US is relying on pinpointing the location of these units in order to take them out by air. But they’re mounted on trucks which will make them difficult to find and hard to hit. US planes will have to constantly patrol Iranian airspace and wait until a missile is fired.

      I’m sure the US has defensive measures no one is aware of, but, as incompetent as the Pentagon brass has been in the past, I can‘t help but believe they just can’t cover all the bases as well as they think they can.

      “Their anti-air systems will be brought down a piece at a time.”

      Perhaps, but at what price? And silent subs have the capacity to evade hydrophonic systems as well as detection by sonar. You see this is the entire premise of my argument. No one has the overwhelming firepower of the US military, but I’m pointing out that the cost of war with Iran could well be more than we can pay without doing ourselves grevious harm, economically and loss of equipment and lives.

      Iran is NOT a cakewalk like Iraq was. And, attacking them will disturb a deadly hornet’s nest.

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    • robert
      Posted on January 19, 2012 at 2:51pm

      BuckShane:
      “Here is the question. If we have pulled all their teeth, why would we have to invade them. Once we have eliminated their nuke program, what do we care what they do?”

      Iran’s nuke program cannot be obliterated by bombimg. It can only set them back a short time and make them more determined than ever to build an arsenal of nuclear arms just like North Korea. Many of the manufacturing sites are located deep in a mountain. Some locations are still secret. Those would remain unscathed.

      Invading Iran is not an option. The country has 70 million people, with mountainous terrain that would create a logistical nightmare for an invading infantry, and tanks would be VERY limited in their use because of it all.

      It would be too costly for the US to attack Iran and Israel could not do it alone. They’re just not strong enough.

      The best bet would be for the US to have the same policy with Iran it does with North Korea: Watchful containment.

      Telling the US citizenry that Iran poses a greater risk than North Korea or Pakistan is bogus and is strictly propaganda for the purpose of keeping the Middle East in the control of Israel.

      The only difference in having a nuclear Iran in the future and the situation now is that Israel could not arbitraily dictate to the other nations in that area in a totalitarian manner, requiring them to come to the negotiating table to achieve peace.

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on January 19, 2012 at 4:52pm

      @ robert
      Good answer.
      I disagree with some of your points, but I disagree with how we fought the Iraq war.
      We could win this war in a week without any civilian casualties.
      “How, Buck?” you ask – thinking Buck has finally gone around the bend.
      The Iranian oil fields are within 50 miles of the gulf. a combination of Marines, and Airborne, could take them easily. Oil is 90% of their economy – without that income, they don’t eat. With the aircraft we have in the theater, Iran could not take them back. They would need tank to take back the ground and one A10 can take out 18 tanks per flight. The Saudis will make up the oil difference in the short term – they are threatened by Iran also.
      Iran will eliminate their nuke program and submit to inspections, or starve.

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    • robert
      Posted on January 19, 2012 at 5:43pm

      BucjShane:
      “The Iranian oil fields are within 50 miles of the gulf. a combination of Marines, and Airborne, could take them easily. Oil is 90% of their economy – without that income, they don’t eat.”

      Yes, it would be possible to drop in paratroops from the 101st and the 82nd Airborne Divisions, but I doubt we could get marines in without a beachhead landing and fighting all the way to the oil fields. Helicopters couldn’t get through Iranian defenses.

      Airborne assault is effective in a surprise situation if they can hit and get out some way, or if the paratroops can join up with existing forces on the ground after a raid/invasion, but they eventually would need logistical support that only a well-supplied ground force can offer them. Without such back up they would be surrounded and eliminated or forced to surrender to an overwhelming force.

      Keep in mind too, that if the object is to stop all oil exports from the country, sanctions are in the process of doing just that. You’re right that being unable to export oil would hurt Iran badly, but I have an idea not badly enough that it would cause their demise, especially since the Iranians themselves would voluntarily close the Strait of Hormuz effectively halting all oil shipments from their country and Saudia Arabia which accounts for 40% of all oil used by the world.

      Too, consider that blocking the Strait of Hormuz would devastate Europe and Japan, probably worse than it would Iran.

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on January 19, 2012 at 9:24pm

      @ robert
      Good argument.
      They could close the strait. It is only 30 miles across at some points. It would be for a short time. We could supply our troops indefinitely by creating supply corridors. They will not be able to retake the oilfields without tanks. Their tanks cannot survive without owning the air. They won’t
      Their air defenses will last until we target them, then they won’t. Less than one week.
      Think about this. If the 82 Airborne lands in a relatively sparsely defended oilfield, it will largely be soldiers against pipe fitters. They will drop their wrenches and walk away because the alternative would be to die for nothing.
      The Strait will be open and they will have lost 90% of their income. Before this devastates them, they will make a deal so that they can stay in power. They will. We could do this and maybe not lose any more than we would in a training exercise.

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    • gr8t2bfree
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 2:58pm

      I love the people who always say “I think”. This means they have no clue. Followers say I think, leaders say “I know”.

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    • Crush_Liberalism
      Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:27pm

      Well, it seems odd that a hostile nation would advertize a tactical advantage…sounds like a bunch of crap

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  • wordweaver
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:52pm

    First of all, our carriers don’t need to operate right in the straits or even in the Persian Gulf. They can hang outside the straits and operate in open water. Secondly, the Iranian Admiral makes it sound like all we have is aircraft carriers. We have subs as well, and they are very good at finding other subs. We have many other anti-submarine warfare platforms that are also very capable: surface ships, fixed-wing aircraft, helos. Go ahead, dude. Bring it!

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    • encinom
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:22pm

      We have the Arley Burkes and other destroyers that are built to hunt Soviet subs, you think Iranian subs are a problem?

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:26pm

      Obama would not even allow the US Navy to fire on the Somalian pirates. The Navy captain that fired was acting without orders and got canned.

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    • Mauireman
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:40pm

      I bet we are tracking all of their subs and can take them all out at any time.

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    • Mike N
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:57pm

      .
      @ ENCINOM . . . your ignorance of the subject is showing. An enemy submarine resting on the ocean floor with its engines powered down is a threat not necessarily detectable by any navy. If conditions of the ocean floor are conducive to revealing such irregularities as a stationary vessel of that size, it may be detectable, but such conditions are unlikely to be found there, and can certainly not be relied upon.

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    • encinom
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 6:21pm

      @Mike N

      With the Wolf Class Sub and the Arley Burkes on the surface, designed to hunt top of the line Soviet Nuclear Subs, are you going to argue that the Soviet Diesel rejects that Iran has pose a any real threat making through a battle groups defenses?

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    • proliance
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 7:04pm

      A diesel-electric sub sitting on the ocean floor can be quieter than the water surrounding it. It would take active pinging to find it and that would give away the location of anything that was hunting it.

      An Iranian sub could very well park itself in the shipping lanes of the strait of Hormuz and wait for a carrier to pass over it. The shipping lanes are only 6 miles wide. That said, the US Navy is very aware of how long an Iranian sub can remain submerged and a destroyer can monitor traffic to make sure the strait is clear.

      International law requires all ships (and subs) to identifiy themselves. A sub that will not identify itself can be considered a threat and be forced to the surface by any means demeaned necessary.

      All things considered, the Iranians can cause a huge problem in the strait and it won‘t be fixed by a ship’s captain pushing a few buttons. The first weapon that is released could push most of the Middle East into the next World War. It WILL spiral out of control.

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    • RightThinking1
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 7:08pm

      I hear echos of Sadaam Hussein promising ‘The Mother of All Battles’…, before we found him hiding in a rat hole.
      Having said that, I suspect that the Brits figured they had nothing to worry about with the Argentinians, until that Exocet tagged the HMS Sheffield. Note that the reason that attack was successful was because it did not ‘follow the book’ as to what was expected. There is never certainty where war is concerned, never.

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    • POdVet
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 7:29pm

      As a former USN sonar technician I do have a bit of knowledge on this subject. Diesel subs are indeed very quiet when on battery power sitting on the bottom. And yes, active sonar by USN surface ships would give away their location. That is why we have sonar buoys! With P3 Orions and SH60 Helo’s with the LAMPS mk3 sonar buoys as well as MAD I have no doubt that our Navy already has a more accurate position for the entire Iranian submarine fleet than the Iranian Navy does! All Iranian BS and bluster aside, the biggest threat posed by the Iranian subs is not to our carriers. It is to oil tankers transiting the gulf. That is where they could cause real trouble, by threatening the worlds oil supply. Of course such an act by them would be completely suicidal as every nation in the gulf would attack them simultaneously the first time they did something that STUPID!

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    • Puddle Duck
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 7:47pm

      PODVET don’t the Navy have up to date detailed mapping of what is actually on the bottom of the sea in such strategic areas (making id of a new anomolie suspect) ? I know the Navy has from time to time mapped different areas of sea floor over the years. I’m sure many of those surveys are classified (and will remain so).

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    • POdVet
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:07pm

      @Puddle Duck
      Yeah the Navy has detailed charts, but something as small as the POS subs the Iranian navy has wouldn’t often show up. One of the things that would make it easier though is the biology of the Persian Gulf. Diesel subs normally try to stay submerged during the day, to make them more difficult to detect. But they do need to surface quite frequently to refresh their air supply. And the gulf has a tattle tale for them in the form of an extreme population of jellyfish that tend to leaving a glowing wake behind when chopped up by propellers. It is something beyond their control that is very visible from the air.

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    • lossfactor
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:58pm

      PODVET Has some excellent points much as I would have theorized, I’ll take it one step further – don’t you think we got some more “undisclosed technology” (Like WOW we got stealth helicopters?!?) that would make a diesel sub look a bath toy? I would also theorize an aircraft carrier is probably the most heavily protected “boat” on the planet…. at $45 billion or whatever is worth? Go NAVY!

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    • Umexcuseme
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 6:37pm

      You all are a bunch of idiots, Former military, ever hear of OPSEC, Dumb A**es

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    • Umexcuseme
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 6:39pm

      Man just a little banter and puffing of know it alls chests and wow tell it all, How about a little more discription please. Idiots

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  • Cabo King
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:47pm

    Obama should just tell Iran were sorry, America is sorry……as far as Irans navy. bu hahahhahahahaha

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  • blazingaway
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:46pm

    I imagine we know 24/7/365 where every single sub and ship is in the Persian Gulf.
    It would most likely be the funniest navel engagement of all time.
    One can only hope that Iran attempts to attack us so we can completely decimate their navel forces and in the process their air force as well.

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    • Ookspay
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:58pm

      Bring it on Iran… Complete annihilation of their navy and air force would take 60 minutes; 40 minutes to do it and 20 to stop laughing.

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    • southernORcobra
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:59pm

      Missles would probably hit subs before they even leave the pens

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:06pm

      The missiles in the Yankee III/ Delta, and Typhoon class of Soviet Nuclear boats could strike Kansas while tied to the docks in Petropoviloysk and Mirmansk the two primary Soviet submarine bases.
      All our Ohio class boats can strike all of Russia in the same way.
      What you didn’t know could hurt you, but the Navy, and other armed forces were prepared and have gotten better since then.

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  • recoveringneocon
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:45pm

    3 Anti-Paul post already on an article the doesn’t mention Paul what so ever. I would like to thank you for bringing him into the Discussion.
    Crazy Times
    jakartaman
    Delta D-5-3
    Thank you,

    PAUL’S PRO-AMERICA FOREIGN POLICY

    * Make securing our borders the top national security priority.
    * Avoid long and expensive land wars that bankrupt our country by using constitutional means to capture or kill terrorist leaders who helped attack the U.S. and continue to plot further attacks.
    * Guarantee our intelligence community’s efforts are directed toward legitimate threats and not spying on innocent Americans through unconstitutional power grabs like the Patriot Act.
    * End the nation-building that is draining troop morale, increasing our debt, and sacrificing lives with no end in sight.
    * Follow the Constitution by asking Congress to declare war before one is waged.
    * Only send our military into conflict with a clear mission and all the tools they need to complete the job – and then bring them home.
    * Ensure our veterans receive the care, benefits, and honors they have earned when they return.
    * Revitalize the military for the 21st century by eliminating waste in a trillion-dollar military budget.
    * Prevent the TSA from forcing Americans to either be groped or ogled just to travel on an airplane and ultimately abolish the unconstitutional agency.
    * Stop taking money from the middle class and the poor to give to rich dictators through foreign aid.

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    • recoveringneocon
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:48pm

      WITH A PRO-ENERGY PRESIDENT IRAN’S OIL COULDN’T BE USED AGAIST US.

      As President, Ron Paul will lead the fight to:

      * Remove restrictions on drilling, so companies can tap into the vast amount of oil we have here at home.

      * Repeal the federal tax on gasoline. Eliminating the federal gas tax would result in an 18 cents savings per gallon for American consumers.

      * Lift government roadblocks to the use of coal and nuclear power.

      * Eliminate the ineffective EPA. Polluters should answer directly to property owners in court for the damages they create – not to Washington.

      * Make tax credits available for the purchase and production of alternative fuel technologies.

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    • Cabo King
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:48pm

      Paul who?

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    • jakartaman
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:52pm

      Are yo not suppose to be on INFO Wars – Alex Jones site with the rest of the loony tunes
      Better get over there b-4 5:00 they are have a class on tin foil hat designs

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    • CptStubbing
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:24pm

      I appreciate what you are trying to do, but for the most part, Paul haters won’t read it. You tend to post the same thing over and over in different threads.

      However, it is a legitimate question, what would President Paul do in this situation?

      First off, President Paul would recognize Iran has a legitimate claim to the waters off their coast. We have no need to enter the Straits even if they do shut them down. Killing people because the price of gas might go up is barbaric.

      If the ships are not within Iranian waters, and U.S. vessels are fired upon, President Paul would take decisive action to disable the subs in the Iranian fleet and systematically close all of the ports around the Persian Gulf controlled by Iran.

      President Paul would call for China and Russia to disavow an unprovoked act of aggression on the part of Iran. They would disavow it, because as much as they would back Iran if we were the aggressors, they will not stand for Iran starting a fight and then trying to run behind them to hide.

      What would Gingrich, Romney, Santorum, or Perry do? Overreact, and prepare an invasion force to get back at those pesky Persians. They would destabilize the region even further, and drag us into another war we can’t win, because their ego couldn’t handle it.

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    • ProbIemSoIver
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:54pm

      @Cabo King
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:48pm

      Paul who?

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      Have you been under a rock?
      The same RON that WON the debates the other night.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYYKf0zIwTM

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    • Puddle Duck
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 7:04pm

      Hey Stubbing there was a reason the reigns you were handed had to do with running the Love Boat…running a warship is beyond your pay grade (well beyond). Why don;t you read up on the Hormuz starit and it’s ties to Western Europe. Closing it down would bring the fragile economies of Europe to thier knees which would then kick ours directly in the nuts. Wars have been started over the silliest of reasons…the mistake each era of Gov’ts (combatants) make is the naive mindset of judging your possible opponent as being sane and rational.

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    • recoveringneocon
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 7:48pm

      Puddle Duck
      How many ships and young men and women are there from Western Europe? Maybe they could do their own Policing.

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    • Puddle Duck
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:14pm

      Not nearly enough NEOCON…….Nato cannot function without US logitsics and firepower. The only Navy that comes close in the Royal Navy and they have scaled back thier carrier fleets to a pitiful level. Lets put it this way without the US Navy Europe couldn’t do much to the Iranians (from the sea). The Air Forces are where the only truly long range offensive punch remains and that would also require logistics help from the USAF to co-ordinate to my knowledge. A lot of the Euri countries have let thier military forces shrink to defensive capability only. The mnost prepared nations are Sweden, Germany and the UK (with the UK unable to sustain long term operations before exhausting their nearly empty treasury). That is also a problem the USA faces…having to rely on your potential enemy to be your banker is not what I’d call a great position. The “Community Organizer in Chief” has very strategic sense or as GB has said all along this was the plan from the get go (bankrupt the US ASAP, remould the world).

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    • This_Individual
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:10pm

      RECOVERING, It’s just the statists being scared.

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    • recoveringneocon
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 10:05pm

      Puddle Duck
      Sad but True. They are going broke without Policing the World. And we put them on Welfare. Something tells me this aint going to end good.

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    • BullSchmidt
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 11:52pm

      Wow Recoveringobamacon, did you get all that from Ron Pauls debates ?? maybe after he looses the election and they put him in a nice quit nursing home , you and Jefferson can go visit him and hold his hand and tell the nurses what he wants, because you guys are the only ones that can understand what the hell he’s saying !!!! you paul people make me sick ! Dispite what you Paulbots think about this country I’m still proud to be an american!! You should thank God you are lucky enough to be here, it sure beats North Korea , China, Russia, Cuba …..and nows not the time to turn are back on our friends !!!

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  • Theleftisda
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:43pm

    Like we don‘t have tracking devises set up waiting for the dumb Satin worshipping idiots plus the wolf class subs that escort the carrier’s and I’m sure the Seals have not attached that devise that spits out a wire that is 1/3 the size of a human hair that floats to the surface that sends out a singnal every time you stop moving.

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  • Maxim Crux
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:42pm

    Since when does Russia care about people? Obama is a traitor he should be tried for treason and then have the applicable punishment applied when found guilty.

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  • Obobitsu
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:40pm

    I have been out of the Navy for 12 years but let me tell you. We have the best and quietest Nuclear Subs in the world. They know how to find those POS old Russion made diesl boats. Fear Not.

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  • recoveringneocon
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:39pm

    “Russia says strike on Iran would be ‘catastrophe’”

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/Russia-says-strike-on-Iran-would-be-catastrophe/articleshow/11539555.cms

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    • ZeldaZick
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:47pm

      There is the problem right there. This is about more than Iran/Israel. The Superpowers are playing chicken in the waters of the Near East, and this old Christian Lady is afraid that a bunch of kids are going to die because of it. (Good God, I‘m agreeing with the Paulsy’s on this one)

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    • Puddle Duck
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 7:15pm

      It seems we now know where Russian sympathies (and alliances) lie….not that I’m surprised…the Russian bear was only in hibernation (from ‘91 till now) IMHO. The really troubling development should it happen would be a similar declaration by the Communist Chinese that they also stand with Iran (and by default with Russia ). The Russians and Chinese haven’t been friendly (with each other) since the mid 50′s. It looks like the NWO that Soros and Group envisioned has devolved into mess that just may cost all of us dearly.

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  • lel2007
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:35pm

    American spy satellites can easily spot Iranian subs from space, especially those confined to such a small area as the Persian Golf. Easily spotted and eliminated, like shooting fish in a barrel. The confines of the Golf work both ways.

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    • TexasConservativeCowboy
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:48pm

      The second that threat was issued we should of eliminated every boat and sub in the iran military. then we need to destroy every airport and runway or road big enough to be a runway in iran then send in the drones to finish them off if they try to cross the border!

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    • jnobfan
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:05pm

      I hope you are correct about the Sats but there are still problems. Political problems,chain of command problems.
      In a confined area the Irainian subs will naturally be uncomforably close to our carriers.
      Its not hard to see situations where a moving carrier or a moving Iranian sub would come into range of Iranian (russian or chinese) torpedo’s. If the distance gets close its possible the sub gets off a shot before the fleet gets permission from Washington to shoot first. Losing a carrier to an Iranian sub would be worth several 911 attacks to the Arab world. I hope they have orders to shoot first and ask permission later. BTW I say drill here, drill now, build the pipe here, build the pipe now and we don’t have to worry about these things.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:35pm

    Understand clearly, if Iran does the supreme stupid and attack our navy the payback should be intense and final, assuming Obama would actually strike. The fact is a sub can make such an attack and damage, possibly sink a carrier or escort ship. After that its lifespan will be determined by the time it takes the remaining escorts to close, isolate and terminiate with extreme hostility.

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    • Puddle Duck
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 7:44pm

      Modern carriers are extremely difficult to sink if not impossible (using conventional weapons). Just getting close to one is difficult enough but IMO the Iranian Navy and it’s militray lacks the weaponary for such a task and will likely never aquire such tech if the West is serious about keeping world peace (provided Admiral Bumble is defeated in Nov 2012). There is no need to invade Iran unless of course they do something really stupid (like invade Iraq and attack Israel) which is certainly possible the longer Admiral Bumble dithers.

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  • Dismayed Veteran
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:34pm

    Gee, I wonder if the USN has already targeted these boats?

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    • Bill Rowland
      Posted on January 19, 2012 at 6:57am

      Not only targeted these boats but every other BGB (big grey boat) in Irans excuse for a Navy. Our carriers can stand off from the gulf sink all the BGBs and eliminate the Iranian air force in no time. Can you imagine a Iranian F4 against the BGBs will be sunk at the dock.
      Don’t mess with the US Navy on their terms.

      OMG

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  • 13th Imam
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:33pm

    You will hear of distant underwater explosions, and oil, bodies and bubbles rising to the surface. Other than that no one will ever see these Iranian subs again. I sail out of New London , CT and see Fast Attacks going in and out all the time. These are the boats that right now are following and or stalking the Iranian coffins. God Bless our Submariners

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:35pm

      Actually the easiest way to deal with the subs is one I have heard happened a few years ago – a sub wound up crushed by a supertanker.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:41pm

      That works

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:01pm

      @Snow and 13
      Subs ( boats ) specially the DE boats actually use the “baffel” or sonar shadow created by the propellers of a large ship (IE tankers) to enter into, transit and exit shallow (30-200 fathom) waters undetected.
      It’s rather simple to do actually, since tankers are slow, and travel specific and repetitive routes, and are constrained to do so by the national maritime laws they transit through.
      If one got crushed ( I missed that one snow, damn!) it was because some Captian made a very fatal mistake.

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  • godhatesacoward
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:32pm

    They could not even get into range without detection. If they think that our carrier is all by itself, they are sadly mistaken!

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:37pm

      Dont underestimate a sub crew, while we hold almost every advantage they can succeed by dumb luck. It can happen, to assume it is impossible is to have the same mindset of Pearl Harbor being impervious to attack by air as most held until Dec 7, 1941

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    • SamIamTwo
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:49pm

      Our Military does have the advantage. And we have been hard at work developing new technology for over 70 some odd years…and we got serious about it in the early 80′s.

      But alas, I am certain the call would have to be made to Obama before retaliating. And it would take Obama at least 3 months before making a decision.

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    • Chuck Stein
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:08pm

      @ Snowleopard
      You got it. As I was admonished in the Navy in the 1970′s: “Don’t make Ivan dumb.”
      A deisel electric sub does not have the capabilities of a modern, nuclear powered fast attack sub. No doubt about that (travelling underwater at high speed for a long time is a huge difference). Still, a diesel electric sub can be effectively employed as a sort of “mobile minefield.” Don’t fear them. Respect them. Then kill them (if at war, of course).

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    • godhatesacoward
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:18pm

      Snow, I never said it was impossible. I agree “dumb luck” would be the only way!

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  • jakartaman
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:31pm

    Thank God – we have Ronny Pauly
    He would get them aircraft carriers the heck out of the gulf in a NY second
    of course the price of oil would sky rocket and our economy would go into a depression

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    • Delta D-5-3
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:32pm

      Pauls a LOON when it comes to foreign policy, that’s already been proven. Lets not go there……

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:40pm

      Actually, with Ron, we’d drill our own oil, which is 7X great that that in the Middle East. We’d be independent from those Arabs, and would no longer need to kill for oil, or pay $4 for gas.
      But shh! Don’t tell a wound up NeoCon, ok! He might punch for over common sense.

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    • jakartaman
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:44pm

      Hey better days – all for drill baby drill – so will most of the repubs
      But just how long do you think it would take to get the oil moving into production???????????
      also there is a lttle thingy called refining the oil – US capacity is maxed – we have not built a refinery in a dogs age.
      But thanks for you total grasp of the obvious

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:52pm

      @Jakartaman
      Oh, I didn’t know we bought refined crude from the middle east, what! We don’t ! So I guess we don’t apply that parameter to the discussion of the middle east and oil that we purchase from there. It’s not applicable.
      But you are correct, and there us a correlation to price and availability in the lack of refineries . But that’s a matter between the consumer and the oil companies to pressure DC politic rats to allow companies to build refineries , like as in disbanding the EOA, oh yea, Ron’s going to do that too.
      Come back when you learn to debate, thank you and GOD bless you too.

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    • I.Gaspar
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:54pm

      Yeah…he‘d give ’em heck…”Stawp thaat…you’re naught being vewy ni-ice”

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:36pm

      Jakarta-
      The US is one of the biggest exporters of gas in the world. There would be no problems if we just kept it here. The US has no excuse to be dependent on foreign oil.

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    • Jefferson
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:41pm

      @Delta
      Too bad you’re too dense to realize that the idiot you were responding to, was being sarcastic.

      Even worse is BOTH of your blatant displays of ignorance of geopolitics, and the repercussions from an attack on Iran from both Russia and (our banker) China..
      China has already warned its navy to “prepare for war” with the US. Russia has openly condemned an attack on Iran and has their own fleet moving toward the area as well. BOTH of them have major investments in Iran.

      In simple terms, it means WWIII.

      I know you probably watch a bunch of movies and TV and think that the US is some sort of bullet proof super power, but the consequences of these developments, and the potential for a powder keg going off is very real. It will completely destroy our economy which is on its death bed already.

      CIA’s former Bin Laden Unit Chief (Michael Scheuer) endorses Ron Paul.
      Active duty military gives more donations to Ron Paul than ALL of the other clowns COMBINED.
      Who knows better about bad foreign policy, YOU the keyboard commando, or the people I mentioned?
      Iran is NOT a threat to us OR Israel. Never have been, and they WON’T be any time soon.
      Do some research, quit parroting the TV set.

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 7:36pm

      Ron Paul Myth: Military Donations – http://bit.ly/yj9mGu (via @floppingaces).

      Michael Scheuer: terrorists should focus on Israel… http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2010/01/michael-scheuer-terrorists-should-focus.html?spref=tw

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    • Puddle Duck
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:05pm

      Agreed Jefferson….my thoughts precisely. It’s not just Iran we have to worry about which is why they are becoming more porvocative the longer “Admiral Bumble” dithers.

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  • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:30pm

    But they forget, subs need to get close, its shallow through that part, we have this thing called SONAR, and Anti-Sub missles that can hit a sub at 100 miles. So, yah, they can think they will get close, and they may get one shot, but that’s all they will get. One shot.

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  • SmallGovBigGuns
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:30pm

    Iran is begging for a war. They want to continue to bleed out the US financially. Its clearly the goal of the entire middle east. If we quit fighting a politically correct war and just went in and took care of business it wouldnt be a problem. Its a david vs goliath fight. US GDP 13+ trillion, Iran just under 200 Billion. Basically like fighting an individual medium sized US state

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    • Lord_Frostwind
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:11pm

      You could guarantee victory in a war with Iran in about one week with the right amount of airpower necessary. First, target and destroy ALL oil production facilities; refineries, wells, derricks, pipelines, all of it. You would instantly destroy their economy and within a few weeks the country would be broke and trying to explain to some very hungry citizens why they thought a war with the United States was a good idea. If the Chinese and Russians have a complaint to launch, tell them that they can invest their hard earned cash to rebuild what was destroyed but we won’t have any part in it.

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  • BetterDays
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:28pm

    MY rate in the Navy was Oceansystems Technician, I listened to boats ( subs are boats, ships are ships) all day long. Like it or not what they threaten here must be taken vary seriously, because DE ( diesel electric ) boats are extremely difficult to detect underwater using passive arrays. Passive arrays consist of a series of directional microphones on a cable that are played out behind, or in some cases affixed to the hulls of ships, usually carriers. Active sonar can find boats, but are quite noisy and can result in an enemy getting an all important first shot at the “pinging” ship. Active sonar is normally only utilized once the battle is joined.
    But there is one detector that I hope our NAVY is using, and it’s one that in the shallow depth of the Straight of Hormouz the boat can not evade by stealh, nor can they hear it detect them. That dtector is a MAD, or magnetic anomaly detector, deployed from ships with sea stallion helicopters, or from shore in the PC3 Orion.
    Iran has six boats, all DE, some are very old Soviet Kilo class noisy and unreliable. They have two Chinese built class boats Xia and Xin, newer, longer underwater linger times, baffled and quiet, but all are no match for the systems that I used 22 years ago, and I‘m sure that we’ve vastly improved since then.
    So unless Obama intentionally throws the fight, and we all can see him doing that since he loves America so, we meaning the Navy is ok in this. Sleep well.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:35pm

      Better, If you are ever in my neck of the woods, Ill take you sailing , I’m right across from Electric Boat.

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    • Delta D-5-3
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:42pm

      @13th Imam……I use to fish off the pier near EB. Caught some HUGE stripers from there………

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    • Ookspay
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:44pm

      Betterdays, Great Post, interesting stuff.

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:46pm

      @13
      I’m near Bremerton, other coast. But I’d love to see a Virgina slide off the quay out to trials for the first time. Thanks, I’ll look for the house flying the flag boldly when I DRIVE cross country to Groton Conn.
      I know the Navy can handle those Soviet era/ Chinese boats, without question.
      But if Obama would just let us drill here, we have 7X the oil than all of the Middle east. America was producing much more oil under NIXON than we do now.

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    • justangry
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:53pm

      Thanks for the infomation! I thought I knew a lot about the Navy. I guess only from the Ready Room up though. It’s nice getting a little insight about what goes on under the waterline.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:11pm

      Delta
      Ever been to Fred’s Shanty in NL?

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:40pm

      @13
      He’ll I must be tired! I love to sail, as in with sails? What have you got? my step dad used to build customs for the elite in Erie PA., all that hardwood, the SNAP of a sail in a zag, the spray, and the hours of cleaning, and beeswax, and OK let’s take her out!
      Ps. I can’t recall a bowline from a half hitch, but I know a topsail from a jig.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 10:58pm

      Better
      Sorry went to play cards. I own a 31 Ft. Mariner Ketch. Bought in NC and sailed up to CT. Right down NL harbor from the CG’s Eagle. Last year saw the new CG cadets climbing the ratlines for the first time. It was funny seeing them cling tight all the way up .

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  • DBDvl
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:26pm

    1 torpedo shot should result in 20 nuclear missiles raining down on Iran and blowing it back to well past the stone age. Anything less will be unacceptable.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:32pm

      This story is BS.

      The US and Israel have already made the first moves against Iran by imposing crippling sanctions which could be considered an act of war, and by performing covert actions causing the death of government officials within the country already, an act of war.

      So they’re over there taunting them and if they get attacked, it’s their own fault for goading them into it.

      And no, I won’t support a war against Iran no matter how much anti-muslim propaganda the government and corporate-owned prostitute media disseminates. Bring my troops home yesteryear.

      Ron Paul 2012.

      End the wars based on lies.

      End the Manifest Destiny Nation Building.

      Don’t allow another Gulf of Tonkin staged false-flag incident.

      This is not a Pearl Harbor situation.

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    • riseandshine
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:54pm

      I’m with you, V-Man

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    • Ookspay
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:08pm

      Vman, So I guess we should just leave the area and let Iran do what the hell they want, huh? No I say taunt them and then destroy the little bastards. Those blood thirsty mohammedans have been the head of the islamic snake for decades.

      But nice job reciting the Ron Paul “Mother of all retreats” talking points.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 10:06pm

      Ookspay

      Why don’t you go on down to your local recruiter and sign up? Make sure you take any sons of fighting age you have, and don’t forget your clean undies.

      Mine and myself aren’t going anywhere, whether its a draft or a FEMA Camp. Enough is enough.

      I understand you love to hate muslims, but you need to focus on the police state being erected around you by your own corrupt government.

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  • Herokidstar
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:19pm

    Who do these guys think there fooling? Iran has a total of nine ports (http://www.worldportsource.com/ports/IRN.php) three of which are on the Sea of Caspian.
    It would not take an Admiral Nelson to blockade that.

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  • cessna152
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:17pm

    Subs? Hold the onions….

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  • randy
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:16pm

    Go ahead Iran! I dare you!

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:17pm

      Bring it on Mahmoud…

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    • CatB
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:29pm

      Build the D*MN PIPELINE!

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    • barber2
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:16pm

      CAT: Agree. Can the Obama administration be any more incompetent in protecting our country and making strategically wise economic decisions ?

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    • Ookspay
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 5:57pm

      Barber, I think you are wrong about incompetency. Obama and company are executing the mission flawlessly. Undermine, weaken, collapse and then rebuild a new Ameritopia.

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  • HKS
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:13pm

    If they have the balls to pull the trigger, go for it. I don’t think they will like what comes next.

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  • ReaganBaby
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:13pm

    I say we take out their entire military

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    • elihu
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 6:19pm

      Heck, why stop with their military?

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  • Crazy Times
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:11pm

    “That’s just blowback” – Ron Paul

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