Report: Iraq War Veteran Critically Injured in Occupy Oakland Police Action
- Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:00pm by
Madeleine Morgenstern
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An Iraq war veteran was critically injured in the police crackdown on the Occupy Oakland protests-turned-riots Tuesday night, according to media reports.
Scott Olsen, 24, is in critical condition in an area hospital with a fractured skull and swelling to the brain after he was hit in the head with an apparent police projectile, the Huffington Post reported.
Protesters claimed police used rubber bullets and bean bags to quell demonstrations. Oakland police said Wednesday they fired tear gas canisters at demonstrators but denied using rubber bullets or flashbangs.
Olsen’s roommate, Keith Shannon, told the Huffington Post that the two-term veteran and Veterans for Peace member was marching alongside other protesters when the incident occurred.
“He was just hit by a projectile,” Shannon said, adding that he did not attend the march but heard about what happened from eyewitnesses. “He wasn’t near a police officer when it happened.”
Shannon told the Guardian that Olsen was hit in the head by a tear gas canister shot by a police officer, and said Olsen had a curved mark on his forehead consistent with a canister’s shape.
Shannon said Olsen was able to walk into the hospital himself but was put under sedation when doctors discovered the brain swelling.
Sandra Olsen, Scott’s mother, told the Huffington Post her son’s condition was serious.
“He has a head injury,” she said. “They are still trying to figure it out with him. I don’t want to tie up the phone line. He’s not in the best shape.”
A video posted online shows a young man in a Marine jacket and “Veterans for Peace” T-shirt being carried through the crowd, with activists screaming “Medic!” He has blood on his face and his eyes are open, but he appears dazed and doesn’t answer when asked his name.
Photos posted on the San Francisco Bay Area Independent Media Center blog show the same injured man:
this poor guy was right behind me when he was hit in the head with a police projectile. he went down hard and did not get up. the bright light in the second shot is from a flash-bang grenade that went off a few feet from us. he was eventually taken to highland hospital.

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Shannon said Olsen had been attending Occupy San Francisco events and decided to join up with the protest in Oakland.
“He doesn‘t agree with the way the banks aren’t regulated, the way they drove the economy in the ground. He wants there to be regulation of the banks,” Shannon said.
Shannon told the Guardian he and Olsen are both members of Veterans for Peace, which released a statement Wednesday regarding Olsen’s injury:
Veteran For Peace member, Scott Olsen, a Marine Corps veteran twice deployed to Iraq, is in hospital now in stable but serious condition with a fractured skull, struck by a police projectile fired into a crowd in downtown Oakland, California in the early morning hours of today. Other people were injured in the assault and many were arrested after Oakland police in riot gear were ordered to evict people encamped in the ongoing “Occupy Oakland” movement. Olsen is also a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War.
“It’s terrible to go over to Iraq twice and come back injured, and then get injured by the police that are supposed to be protecting us,” Shannon told the Guardian.
Olsen is awaiting a neurosurgeon’s evaluation as to whether he needs surgery.



















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heyjim55
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:21pmAre we sure this is a vetran of the military?? just asking anyone can buy uniforms patches and jackets online or by going to a military surplus store and look the part, I feel sorry for this kid and his folks but lets not assume the US military is down their shoulder to shoulder with these Marxists, and don’t think for one moment that Van Jones did not think about using a military fakes to fool the media or the public.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:27pmThis smells of a setup and it would not suprise me if someone in the crowd deliberatly shot at him with police equipment just to have something happen.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:28pmI thought “Veterans for Peace” sounded great as I’m a VietNam vet and believe the US should have an anti-war stance. Once I looked into the organization, I was sickened. They often work with Code Pink and they‘re just an arm of Obama’s global government agenda. I promptly checked them off my list as “dersirable people.” I wondered how many good honest vets have been conned into their agenda without looking at the big picture.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:35pmThis must be a set-up. I swear in an earlier article here on the Occupy Oakland protests, the commentators here said there were no white people in Oakland and they were all deadbeat good-for-nothings. A young white Iraq War veteran? These pictures must be photoshopped! The Blaze posters can’t be wrong!
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:45pm@IAMANAMERICANCITIZEN
Baaaaaaaa………….baaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:57pmNumber of tea party protestors hit with police projectiles: zero
I hope he’s ok, And I wish him a speedy recovery, but there are consequences when you place yourself within the mob.
Report Post »motonutt
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:03pmJust because you have been in the military does not make you some kind of a hero.
Report Post »It sounds to me like they are making a way bigger deal out of this medically than what it really is.
I’m not buying the brain swelling story. It will make for a good lawsuit against the Oakland police though.
4XGrace
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:14pmHey Mr. or is that Ms. IAManAmericanCitizen go blow it out your whatchamacallit and gain a brain cell or two … if that’s even possible – you probably have too much bubble gum and popcorn in your cranium to fit anything worth while in it. There is a decent and orderly means of entering the public debate. But if you want to demean and defame it with force of arms and shouting over people without listening to the facts and staying out of emotion then stay home, turn off the TV and unplug. I think you need to gain a little perspective.
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:16pmI checked it out he is military and a member of the Socialist/Marxist group Veterans for Peace. I’m sorry he got hurt, but provoking and not following lawful orders he get’s what he deserves. Typical hard left hating American.
Report Post »Survivor101
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:17pmI would say…a someone that swore to protect and uphold the constitution for 20 years that the guy is an idiot (no offense Marines…but – interservices joking). They were told to evacuate. BLUF (bottom line up front) he knew he was at risk of some type of potential injury for staying in a zone he was no longer authorized to occupy. Lets talk about some of the potential injuries that police incur as a result of the lenin lefties throwing “projectiles”, “paint buckets”, and “vile waste” at the police earlier…..I recommend every conservative out there…go forth and buy a few rats, release them near the hordes of idiots and let them join their friends!!! LOL
Report Post »INOGAWD
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:18pm@ CITIZEN
Report Post »Hey, Bud, skip you Prozac today?? Don’t jump the gun here…the truth
Will come out…if you don’t think these “Citizens” are not capable of doing
Something like this, you live in LA, LA-Land… If this is a peaceful protest
Why are these “Citizens” hiding their faces and not allowing video in their
“COMMUNE”??
rangerp
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:21pmBeing a veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan does not prevent someone from being a turd. Over a million have served, and I am sure that America is thankful for their service. that does not mean they are now exempt from being an idiot. There are those that serve, come back, commit crimes and end up in prison. There are those that never served who do just as much to serve their country. From teachers to fireman to police, to a whole host of jobs.
I am a vet, still serving, and have three trips to combat and 24 years of service. that being said, I am owed nothing because of it. If you want to thank me, fine. If you are not thankful, fine also. It is not so important what I have done in the past. It is more important what I am doing now, and will do tomorrow.
Stop will getting bent out of shape everytime a War on Terror vet does something dumb.
Report Post »BCPATIOT
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:22pmthat was my first thought. I’m amased at the tweets you can read…where these ideas germanate.They must not realize others are listening.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:22pmmotonutt
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:03pm
Just because you have been in the military does not make you some kind of a hero.
It sounds to me like they are making a way bigger deal out of this medically than what it really is.
I’m not buying the brain swelling story. It will make for a good lawsuit against the Oakland police though.
_____________________________
So the Tea PArty only supports vets when the Vets hld opinions that are in agreement with the Masters of the Tea Party. Here is an American Hero, one that the Tea PArty would hold up if he stayed quiet. Here is some one who survived the horror sof Iraq, to be injured by American police while he exercised his 1st Amendment right.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:24pm@heyjim55
Yes, there are many posers out there. Some have served, some have not and claim to have served.
Let us not forget that some of the so called “War on terror vets” served in such places like Kuwait, where they never saw or heard the first round fired. Others have served on large FOBs in iraq and Afghanistan, and never so much as stepped off the FOB, or ever saw the first ounce of combat. Not saying they did not serve, or are any less a servicememer. There are those though, with big stories, and nothing to back it up.
You will find most that have really been in the heat of it, do not brag on it.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:26pmiamanamerican
Report Post »Thanks for reminding us that the Left is all about Emoting in lieu of Rational Argument. If you can stop your chest beating and hair pulling, take a moment calm down and try and make your point.
INOGAWD
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:26pmIf, and I say If. he is Military, He probably understands the term
Report Post »“Collateral Damage” .. Plenty of that in Iraq, so he will know…
Locked
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:26pm@Ubethechange
“I checked it out he is military and a member of the Socialist/Marxist group Veterans for Peace.”
By checked it out, do you mean “I read the article”? Gold star for you!
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:34pmDon’t know if you guys have read how Peter Schiff talked some sense into one of the protesters. It may have been a little easier since the woman was an entrepreneur herself..It‘s funny that so many people don’t know how to put the shoe on the other foot..Thank goodness that there are some people like Schiffe who can do it for them..I suspect that there are a whole lot of young people looking at this as a social event. You know kids…they are always up for hanging out with friends and making new ones. Hope this kid is alright. We really just need to be diligent in telling these people the truth and letting them know how they are being used to no good end of their own.. we need to love these people..they are our people..they’ve just been brainwashed…with the help of God..we can….yes we can..
Report Post »timeout
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:36pmveteran for peace are bad guys….no use for them.
i am more interested in those troops who are no whinners.
Report Post »INOGAWD
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:47pmSHHHHHHH !!! encinom
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:22pm
Back to HuffPo, be able to get your ows info there..
Report Post »Nlitend1
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:48pm@ranger
Report Post »I usually don’t like what you have to say…I tend to disagree with you. That being said, I appreciate your comment. I personally don’t think this soldier is necessarily a turd, but I agree that a person’s past does not decide their future. I’d also like to say thank you for your past and continued service. We don‘t have to be ’friendly’ for me to recognize the good in you.
22hornet
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:48pmHe probably got hit by a paint can ….Ya know.. like the Morons shooting in the air.
Report Post »antiencenom
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:57pmHere is their Kent State moment
Report Post »MHP
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:00pmencinom
Are you a smelly slob.
Take the 4 inch fire hose to you
Report Post »CleanUpAisle2013
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:13pmhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/solsen230
Report Post »antiencenom
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:18pmWhat the hell difference does it matter “Whats your name Whats your name” umm my name is set up
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:19pmWho’s side was he fighting on?
The COPs should be taking better aim than this. If they were really aiming at the mob, they would have hit more veterans than just one. Protesters will always obey the police. Its terroristic mobs that disobey the police and must be gassed.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:19pm@RANGERP
Report Post »BRAVO… your Honor is in your Service & Sacrafice!
Bronco Guy
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:25pmI think it’s terrible to see anyone get injured during these protests, and my heart goes out to this kid and his parents; but the other side of the coin is the fact that the crowd itself was getting into behavior that was bordering on a riot and putting people in danger. Police just don’t walk around shooting innocent protesters. They were warned, they didn’t budge, then they resisted, then they became violent and the police had to use force. But their use of force was in REACTION to the threats and acts of violence against them. We can’t forget that perspective in spite of this very unfortunate/tragic injury.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:07pm@ENCINOM
“Here is an American Hero, one that the Tea PArty would hold up if he stayed quiet. Here is some one who survived the horror sof Iraq, to be injured by American police while he exercised his 1st Amendment right.”
How do you know he is a hero? Just because some one went over to Iraq or Afghanistan, does not make them a hero. Doing heroic deeds in combat would make a soldier a hero. For all you know, he may have been a cook that never did squat. I am not putting down cooks, as I am fond of them at meal time. Takes a lot of support people to keep the folks out on the line doing their job. Not every soldier out on the line is a hero either. Let us not forget, this is a volunteer military. We made the choice to serve. Some for the glory, some for the college money, some just wanted to serve, some are just nuts and got nothing better going.
Side note, but check out the heroics of one of the lefts biggest heroes. LBJ got the silver star in WWII. He was on a bomber that turned around half way to the target. They never came under fire, never dropped bombs, never completed the mission. They went hom and landed. LBJ did nothing, but was the only person on the plane to get the Silver Star on that mission. The pilot, the bomber, the gunners got nothing. Typical hero on the left.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:10pm@Nlitend1
Thanks – I am small and not significant. I influence very few, but hope the few I do influence, are able to do better, and be better than I.
Report Post »mtnclimberjim
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:40pmWhen the cops tell you to leave, ya better git dumbass. Should have cracked all their skulls.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:58pmHey guys. Doesn’t it strain you sometimes trying to figure out how demonize each and every OWS protester? Given all the people involved with the movement, a movement that only wants to stop the shifting of this countries wealth from you and me to the rich, is there not one who has a legitimate gripe? Is it wrong to disagree with the “trickle up” theory that the wealth of the country should be diverted from you and me, so that the wealthy become even richer?
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:24pmThe haircut is what makes me suspect. It takes a long time to grow out a full head of hair like that and the guy looks like he’s too young to have a decent beard. Besides, if he is out there with the 99%‘rs then he isn’t upholding his oath to defend the Constitution. I‘m not saying that anyone deserves to be tear gas’d or beat for saying what they believe, far from it. But he cannot really be taking his oath seriously if he thinks it is the gov‘t’s role to steal from those who can “afford” to be robbed and give it to those who aren’t willing to work for it.
Also, when your group’s mantra is tax the rich or kill them, you have to expect someone to get upset with you.
Report Post »realjohn
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:25pmI am a Viet nam era vet. NCO.
Report Post »It doesn’t matter what reason he was there.
He is a soldier and knows you don’t go into a
potential fire fight without knowing you may be a target.
The police were defending themselves and the community.
All blame is on illegal attacks by small faction of protesters hired
by Acon, SEIU and others. MSM will only say the police
overreacted.
If they are going to play with fire . . .
Therightsofbilly
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:30pmHey JZS
Nope, no strain at all. They are all bottom feeders.
And since you make twice the national average, in their eyes, you ARE the rich.
They will be coming for you JZS. They will not care that you championed their cause on the Blaze.
You are the MAN, that has unfairly stolen their future from them. You possess what is rightly theirs.
Of course I have nothing to worry about because you have informed me that I, like them, am poor, and have been victimized by the 1%.
Better run for the hills while you can JZS. An unruly mob like that is nothing to fool around with.
We have been friends for about a year now, and I am concerned for your well being.
Stay alert, stay strong, and buy gold.
Report Post »Red Meat
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:46pmMust suck to be him. I don’t care if this guy is a vet or not, he’s an ******* for associating with this crowd and deserves every bit of pain he received.
Report Post »G3L
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 11:11pmStaged, he should not of been there. Guess what if you stay home you dont get hurt. HE got what he deserved. Dont feel sorry for him and dont care. Next story.
Report Post »RabidPatriot
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 11:19pmI served with quite a few non-hackers in the military. They find out that they are just to soft for the military and they spend their entire military career trying to get out of the military. When that does not work they just do their best to get out of doing work. They view their service like a prison sentence. So I’m sure there are plenty of non-hacker “veterans” in these anti-America mobs.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 11:27pm@RED MEAT
@G3L
Agreed.
Show me your friends, and I’ll show you your future.
Report Post »Christian4ever
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 11:27pmOh Barack…your such the community organizer. Job well done!!! I hope you’re happy. Here is a video I put together that I think sums it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRL2LdFLdVI
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 11:41pmRoot in the mud with pigs, guess what happens?
Report Post »VoteBushIn12
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 1:09am@G3L
If you stay home you do nothing to change the tides. I commend these individuals for standing up for what they believe in.
@RangerP
You’re a pig.
@heyjim55
News flash, the military is full of all kinds of people (not just your jesus banging hill billy friends). In fact, I would bet more former military personnel would agree sooner with the occupy wall street folks than the old fart Tea Party nutcases. I know of at least another former marine that returned from active duty and went to support the Occupy protests
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmEHcOc0Sys
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 1:26amHey Bushie
NEWS FLASH: That guy was in a horizontal attitude a lot more that he was standing up.
And you know of ONE WHOLE MORE Marine that would go protest? ONE?
There is power in numbers.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 1:38amjzs
No strain at all.
Communists
Report Post »Socialists
Anarchists
Nazi’s
CAIR
Palestinians
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
Iran
Venezuela
Michael Moore
Bill Ayers
Van Jones
Code Pink
Ron Paul followers
Al Sharpton
Jessie Jackson
Union Thugs
Jay8263
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 2:58amWell actually it does make him a hero… Just because you don’t agree with his agenda (I certainly don’t), don’t discredit him if he severed honorably! Which we don’t know yet. Ask questions, do research but don’t make accusations without any facts.
Report Post »Sheepdog911
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 5:58amIf he is in fact an Iraqi War vet, he should have known to DUCK. Being a vet doesn’t make him any more or less idiotic than any of the other idiots out there. Also, being a vet doesn’t automatically make you a Patriot, just look at John Kerry.
Report Post »FEARDOM
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 6:22amThat question is a slap in the face to his time severed wait you think you can ask that because he is not at an tea party really!!!!!!
Report Post »dirthead1986
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 6:26amI’m an army vet and i support the protestors and those cops should be ashamed of themselves for shooting kids with tear gas and bean bags.
Report Post »phil65
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 6:32amencinom
Report Post »Moron your 1st amendment rights don’t include occupying public property where you have been told to disperse from. I support your first amendment rights as well as this guys, but when you occupy a place and are told to disperse, and you don’t, well then, idiot, THINGS will happen. If the dude got hit with a tear gas cannister as was stated in the article, it probably wasn‘t a deliberate shot and if the dude hadn’t been somewhere he shouldn’t have been, he wouldn’t have gotten hit with the cannister.
On The Bayou
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 7:25amWhat a bunch of worms, when will the lead bullets fly. These people are calling for revolution against the USA. Where is our millitary, where is our President and why hasn`t he condemed what is going on in this country. Where is our National Guard, why aren`t they clearing the streets for Public Saftey?
Report Post »On The Bayou
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 7:33amI go to work every day and stay home at night to sleep so I can return to work the next day. Amazingly I haven`t been hit by rubber bullets, beanbags and haven`t had to breath any tear gas.
Report Post »newrepublic7
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:46amI feel dizzy and need a haircut, I miss Iraq where the men kept me safe. Quit crying…Looks Fake
Report Post »Carl McPherson
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:36amDon’t think that by being in the military you are conservative.
Report Post »While in the USAF I met plenty of socialist/communists that were not just believers.. but activists.
Bluefish49
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:37amWhats the old saying….when your stupid you gotta be tough…
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:27amThe pee party only supports 1st Amendment rights if your opinion falls in line with theirs. Otherwise, you’re a Marxist commie who should leave the country.
Report Post »The police went into a crowd of peaceful protesters and started firing tear gas and rubber bullets because they now take their cues from mega corporations. They didn‘t bust up any pee party rallies because the pee party doesn’t want to knock down big pharma and big insurance companies in order to level the playing field. The pee party doesn‘t ’really’ believe in free market. They believe in Socialism only if it’s for large corporations.
This Marine was at a peaceful protest when the police fired into the crowd. He was hit with a tea gas canister and when people tried to rescue him IN PLAIN SIGHT of the line of cops, they fired into the crowd to keep them from pulling him to safety.
The Blaze doesn‘t’ give you the full story. You are being LIED to. You are SHEEPLE.
mils
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:29amYou play with fire…you get burned…
I don’t care if he was a moon shot veteran…it gives him no more status than joe blow on the street in this mess they have going on
What the hell has he got to complain about?…tell us his “sad” story please..was he screwed by a bank…lost stocks, messed up on a home loan…doesn’t want to play student loans?…
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:29amLOOK, YOU IDIOTS! YOU SHEEPLE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZLyUK0t0vQ
If there really really is a hell, may Glenn Beck go to it.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:35amMILS,
then people on this board need to quit holding up the military on such high pedestals. You people worship the military. When I came back from my duty, I was not worshiped and I liked it that way. These days, you people have no idea what you are even talking about when you talk about god and country.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:39amVoteBush,
You are right. Most of the kids who join the military today join it because they want to go to college. Not because of patriotism. They can’t wait to get out. If you took away all the goodies, what would it really look like? How much would it shrink? All that “Oh, thank you thank you thank you for serving” kind of BS really goes nowhere. The public at large has no clue.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:54amHey JZS….doesn’t it strain you sometimes trying to remember every talking point your aging hippy professors gave you then trying to apply them on every post you make here? Being the eggplant you are you offer nothing else. I had a particularly good laugh at your “you and me” buffoonery. Let me make this clear for you champ….I‘m nothing like you and don’t include me in your myopic, socialist kaleidoscope of delusion. I don’t begrudge success, I don‘t covet someone else’s wealth. MY decisions affect MY earning capacity. I don’t want the government being the arbiter of success. I don‘t want the government forgiving someone’s college tuition fees for a course they’d never get employed with or a person who borrowed on a house they were never qualified to buy in the first place. Can I make this any clearer for you sport?
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:56amRANGERP…..this bunch of the “99% of all household germs” went back to the park looking for a confrontation after they were evicted and looking for a fight. They got one. I have no pity for this guy, veteran or otherwise. You play with fire, your fingers can get burned.
Report Post »Seasoldier
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:06amI hope the injured protester recovers fully. However, before accepting the description of this guy as an Iraq War Veteran, his authenticity needs to be investigated. Remember, during the ‘60’s and ‘70’ there were lots of phony vets employed by the “anti-war” protesters, especially most of John Kerry’s “Winter Soldiers”. Soon after the Iraq war began phony vets started to come out of the woodwork and the press jumped on all their “vets speak” stories until they were outed as phonies. Some of the Iraq Veterans Against the War were outed as phonies, as well. Even if this person actually served in the Armed Forces, and even if he actually served in the Middle East or even in Iraq, he may have been assigned to a large support base and may have never seen any actual combat. The majority of military personnel tend to be mute on political matters and surveys show that they tend support their country, not the Communism or Socialism that clearly motivates most of these Kamp Alinsky Kids at the various “Occupy….” sites. Even if this particular person turns out to be an actual, honorably discharged Iraq War veteran, he’s certainly an aberration, just like John Kerry and his ilk.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:30amNazis are what Nazis do.
And their supporters and bootlickers can go to hell.
RESIST THE NAZI POLICE STATE!
Report Post »Caniac Steve
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:53ami too feel it is a set up..not thatv as an individual he doesn’t have the right to protest..but still something smells fisshy in denmark..and where is the “projectile” at ? I remember when a kid was hit by a ‘rubber bullit but it was a small piece of limestone..it must all be in the ‘persecption” huh ?
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 2:08pm[encinom
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:22pm
motonutt
So the Tea PArty only supports vets when the Vets hld opinions that are in agreement with the Masters of the Tea Party.]
So the #Occupiers only supports vets when the Vets have opinions that are in agreement with the #Occupiers.
There, fixed it for you, idiot liberal troll and gross hypocrite. No go away like a good little communist patsy.
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 2:12pm[jzs
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:58pm
Hey guys. Doesn’t it strain you sometimes trying to figure out how demonize each and every OWS protester?]
Well, idiot troll and general moron, let’s talk tea party first. Remember how you retards went through all sorts of stenuous exercises to make them look evil? Even if it meant sending in plants, making up outright lies, etc? And the average tea party member was in reality pretty nice well informed people.
Then along comes the moronic dead beat flea party members, where the average flea party member really do represent the dregs of society. And then you want us to somehow think they are generally in the know honest protestors?
Seriously, JZS, you get more stupid and retarded with each post.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 2:12pm@Ranger P
You hit the nail on the head….Great posts man….
I do not care if the guy is a vet or not, he is still an American first, soldier second. Any soldier with honor will tell you that. As Ranger P says those bragging are usually the side walk sissies sippin coffee or never served at all.
I do have issue with the cops use of a flashB while the protesters were gathering to help this guy. That I think was setup by the police officer to make the situation worse. Cops are union, right? There was no need at all to flashB Americans helping a wounded American. I cannot support that. I also believe the cops should be smart when firing projectiles of any kind. In fact, you shouldn’t fire anything until you determine where it will land. This whole situation could have been avoided if conducted correctly.
Report Post »motonutt
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 2:19pm@encinom…………
It’s no surprise you hold this marxist little fruitcake up as a hero.
Communists are the enemy…..that’s what they taught in school prior to our schools being taken over by teachers who are overwhelmingly socialist communists themselves. I don’t care what he did in Iraq, I feel sorry for the true hero’s that had to serve with him. He‘s lucky he didn’t come home with a bullet wound in his back, either from running from the enemy or an unfortunate misplaced round from his fellow soldiers.
This little fruitcake marxist queer got what he deserved in Oakland. that’s all.
Report Post »CptKvatch
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 2:21pmThis guy is a vet and was shot I‘n the head with some sort of projectile and has a fractured skull this is fact it can’t be argued. Why were police using tear gas to began with against peaceful protestors? If none of you agree with the occupy movement that’s fine but they have rights to assemble and not be abused by the system. When there abused we will be abused I’n the future for protesting that cant be aloud. If you dnt like OWS or the movement that‘s fine I believe I’n some ideas as they do but many I disagree and yes they were infected quickly with various organizations and groups not uncommon. So we as people need to not fight eachother that’s what the government and elites want.So inject your morales and good ideas of why you disagree and what you can do as an american citizen. Don‘t put people down when there frustrated with the system help eachother see the right ideas this is Americas chance to be heard don’t follow a movement but be heard as individuals to make change. My friends we can’t debate that America and the rest of the world is going down and fast. What’s the root of this world crisis? We need to find out together start pointing put the head of the snake and fast. Let‘s face it times running short we can all feel it and government won’t save us not even the next president or bailout or handout.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 2:22pm@Vote Bush In
What courage keyboard crusader calling someone a “pig” over the Internet…You are so big and tough……You are just a little punk…..Go back to your games son…..Us adults have work to do and have no need for little punks….
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 2:35pm@CptKvatch
It is ok to Protest. It is not ok to occupy. Do you understand the difference?
Protests follow the guidelines or guardrails to protest, not lasting all night and not “rioting”.
Occupying does not follow any rules and turns defiant.
I cannot support “occupying” unless you are ok with us to come occupy your yard and stay however long and way we choose. I can and will support all the right to a peaceful protest.
Report Post »MarzVolta23
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:10pmYes he is a real marine. I served with him in Iraq in 2006. 3rd Battalion 4th Marines
Report Post »madasblazes
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 6:53pmI’m not buying this. Pretty long hair for a Marine.
Next time…OBEY THE LAW OF THE LAND KID! (If you were mine I whip you and send you to your room!).
Report Post »starttheamericanrenaissance
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:20pmWhy is it so hard to believe that veterans of war would want peace. It takes going to war to realize how bad it is, especially when it is for the wrong reasons, of course your media does not show you that. To doubt that this man is a vet and to blanket all vets as pro war makes me sick to my stomach. Its like we just went back a century in our humanities. End the wars NOW.
Report Post »VoteBushIn12
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:22pm@Okie from Muskogee
Yeah you’re right, your virtual penis is so much larger than mine. Hey, your adult work of browsing the Blaze and posting meaningless gibberish looks an awful lot like my punk kiddie business…
Nice use of attacking character and avoiding the real issue. You’d make a great Tea Party presidential candidate – and that’s why I love all the followers just like you. You‘re ignorance is guaranteeing Obama’s second term and when he gets re-elected you will have no one to thank but yourself.
And if that introspective realization drives you to jump off a high bridge with a tight rope wrapped around your skinny neck well then, frankly, I will be proud to see our national IQ bump one point higher.
Don’t troll a troll, tough guy.
Report Post »OpenRevolt
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:05pm@RANGERP you are a crack of laughs!
The real war is economical, the real enemy is the US Gov and the lobbyists.
99% of the US military is just a socialist worker program despite whatever fantasies you have. You guys are wasting my hard earned tax money playing with goat herders and cave dwellers!
Nukes, border security, and technology–all of which are being actively dismantled–are what protects modern America.
Some Ranger in a sandbox ain’t worth Jack.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:23pm@Steve
You left several off your list. Every group of life is at OWS…Seen it with my own eyes….Those protesting the Federal Reserve, Ron Paul supporters as you put in, are simply protesting the evil Glenn Beck shown was destroying the country. Are you saying the Federal Reserve isn‘t a bad thing and shouldn’t be protested?
Those Paul supporters do not want to go Marxist at all. Those Paul supporters want sound money and free markets…Markets that do not get bailed out by Government (crony capitalism)….. Get you facts straight….Good try though……
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:33pm@Vote Bush In
It is disturbing you think about my “virtual Penis” and it really displays your character and thought process. First it was pig and now penis…Things don’t look so good for you little punk… Calling a veteran a Pig is what little punks do behind a keyboard.
I addressed the issue, you calling a veteran of our armed forces a pig. There is no honor in that. None, thus making you a little punk, honor less, a coward, side walk sissy, however you might understand it. Your words show that and I simply brought it to your attention. Seems it struck a nerve, good…..Did daddy not give you enough attention as a child? Does little vote bush in need attention….Poor little vote bush in….Go kick rocks and find some honor little punk….You are about as sharp as duct tape. Now crawl back under your rock and think of another way to get daddy’s attention…….
Report Post »Wu Ming Ren
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 2:21pmThere are many former soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines who embrace all the things these socialists do. They embrace many of the things that they had been wearing the uniform to resist. I know a lot of brain-dead folks that served with me during the Vietnam era, and I just cannot figure out how they got that way. Our common enemies were basically socialists, communists, fascists, and such other totalitarian regimes that have destroyed millions of their own people, and yet they advocate the same systems that produced genocides and massacres. I just don’t understand them at all.
Report Post »VoteBushIn12
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 9:40pm@Okie from Muskogee
My name is VoteBushIn12 you illiterate. The twelve stands for an election year, guess which one…
And as far as honor goes, I have plenty of it for reasons I don’t NEED to tell you about. And as far as insulting our military goes, I haven’t. I’ve insulted a single member of it, and he deserves it because he is, in fact, a pig. Being a solider doesn’t make you a good person anymore than commuting to a cubicle does. I respect everyone until they lose my respect and RangerP has definitely lost it.
And what’s with this little punk business? Do you know me? The fact that you get on your knees (and not in order to bow) whenever a member of our military walks by shows just how immature your life view us.
Grow up.
And for the record, I think about your virtual penis every night. Am I making your bigoted ego uncomfortable?
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 4:00am@Vote Bush In
Does little vote bush in need more attention from daddy….Is vote little bush in gonna jump up and down and scream till daddy comes and pays him attention….
The election year coming up is 2012, not 12. 12 was almost 2000 years ago….. If I were illiterate how’d I read what you wrote…sharp as duct tape you are…..
RangerP is a honorable man. A man who loves God, serves his country, and does what he can to help who he can.
Your words show you are a little punk….Insulting RangerP as pig shows you are a little punk….If it talks like a punk and acts like a punk, it is a punk…Sharp as a cue ball little vote bush in is….
First pig, then “virtual penis” and now a man on his knees….We all get what is going thru your mind….and you have the courage to call someone else a “pig”….Sharp as a tic tac you are….
Go back to your fantasies little punk……Your rhetoric once again demonstrates the little punk you are seeking daddy’s attention…..Now go kick rocks…
Report Post »VoteBushIn12
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 10:14am@Okie from Muskogee
Why don‘t you gobble RangerP’s **** a little bit harder, I don‘t think you’re down to his balls quite yet.
RangerP loves God and serves his country, fine – no problem there. RangerP hates blacks, gays, and liberals, and is a fake Christian. He is distrusting of anyone that doesn’t share his belief and he is relentlessly bigoted and simple minded. He is, therefore, a pig.
And you are correct, you’re not illiterate. But apparently you’re dyslexic, “vote little bush in”? Jumble your words much?
Additionally, I find that your vocabulary and sentence structure is that of a 14 year old so you are either A) uneducated, B) just an idiot C) foreign or D) 14 years old
I assume you aren’t C because you love America so much, so I am going to assume A, B, or D and therefore determine that you are undeserving of anymore of my time.
Thanks for watching.
¡Viva la Revolución! (that’s Spanish for eat **** and die)
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 30, 2011 at 2:15pmVote Bush In
Ranger P is my friend. You know nothing you speak of. He hates no one. Good try but failure again little Vote bush in. Daddy is still disappointed in you. You just cannot ever seem to gets daddy’s attention and approval. Has that been the case your whole life? That is sad little punk…..
Jumble my words sometimes, but not all the time. I am surprised you noticed.
I’m uneducated for I am not dumb enough to think I know everything and am educated in enough…..
I am an idiot sometimes for I’m human.
I am 14 years old plus some.
You might want to go back and learn grammar before speaking of anothers……You embarrass yourself. Enjoy your day little punk!
Report Post »Mountain Mama Martha
Posted on November 11, 2011 at 6:09pmIf he is a Veteran for Peace, why was he marching with a rioting bunch of protesters? That is not my definition of peace. He wants regulations for the banks? I wonder how much he has in them, or is it because he can’t get any free money? Sorry, he was where he should not have been so I have no sympathy for him.
Report Post »eramthgin
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:21pmOh give me a break sob sob sob. I say the video tapes the crowd was given clear instructions to clear the area because they were in violation of the law. If he had complied nothing would have happened to him. When he was Iraq if people continued to advance on him and did not follow lawful instructions what would he have done. hmmmm shot them in the head I bet. Quit trying to turn a hero of the war into a hero of the protest he is yet another misguided person who hasn’t got the sense to get out of the way of the police.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:41pmIf he was a real veteran, he would know how to follow rules and regulations. The police said move, and he didn’t. It would have meant a court martial had he been active duty and disobeyed orders from the military police like that. And he looks awful young to have done 2 tours. Or else I’m getting really old. I have a nephew (23) who, when he was in A-school (Navy training for his rate/MOS for you army people) broke his camera. He came home and told Walmart he broke it while on duty in Iraq to get a free one. I was so ashamed of him…..Young people do stupid things.
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:23pmApparently the vet forgot one of the key rules of combat, if your opponent is armed and you are not, then you should get out of the way. Sounds like a fairly common concussion, happens all the time during riots.
Report Post »antiencenom
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:34pmI agree Lorianne if he was a real hero
Report Post »1. He wouldn’t be there
2. He would have his damn pants pulled up.
Will4Freedom
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 7:57amYou people disappoint me.
These kids are being used by liberal elites, the same way our military men and women are being used. If an active duty kid gets hurt, we feel bad for him, but if one of these puppets gets hurt you mock.
Did you see the Peter Schiff video? That’s what we should be doing. Try too educate these kids with truth. But instead you are buying into the liberal lie of division.
Report Post »OpenRevolt
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 1:05amSo I guess you‘re completely okay get to your balls and your kids’ parts grabbed at the airports?Hey you love the current Economy. You’re pretty much a Chi-Commie without the eye slant right?
You guys sound like the White Al Qaeda. Do you bow down to Islam and pray on your knees everyday–but instead of Mohamed it’s a picture of the Twin Towers or the American Flag?
When did “heroes” become idiots who just follow orders and never spoke up because they were cowards?
I’m not saying this guy is a hero, but he’s more of a hero than all those chumps in Iraq and Afghanistan burning up my tax dollars looking for goat herders and cave dwellers. I can’t wait for the Pentagon to be cut. I bet your ass that Obama probably is using US intelligence funds to do this OWS crap.
Cut the SOICALIST MILITARY
- No more GI Bill
- No more healthcare–get yourself Obamacare
You got hit by an IED, TFB!
You‘re fighting Obama’s Wars–you don’t even deserve Obama Care.
Hordes of welfare moms do more with less gov funds than the US military.
You people are bleeding America dry because you are WORTHLESS to US MANUFACTURING and the REAL ECONOMY. A lot of the garbage you use in combat comes straight out of Commie-China.
You might as well be marching around with the Chi-Com flag over your heads–that’s the only country you guys serve.
Report Post »Beckett
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:21pmHe should have followed orders.
Report Post »IAManAmericanCitizen
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:34pm“He should have followed orders” ………… You people are SCARY. I honestly CANNOT BELIEVE THE INSANITY that I see posted on this site. OMG…… Mind boggling. You call yourself Americans? You are brainwashed slaves. Period. Every person there was exercising their 1st Amendment Constitutional RIGHTS……. AND let me get this straight?? You people are concerned about America, right? The irony and hypocrisy is STAGGERING. Your lack of awareness is THE THREAT TO AMERICA. AND….. LACK OF ANYTHING RESEMBLING A HUMAN WITH A HEART. WOOHOO LETS HERE IT FOR POLICE BRUTALITY AND TYRANNY. Orwell called it DOUBLESPEAK, You should really read the book, you might learn something. The 2 minute hate speech that he writes about has come to life …….. through you people.
lukerw
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:44pm@IAMANAMERICANCITIZEN
Report Post »Citizens vote… thereby make the Laws… thereby empower the Police! Thereby, if you do not like the actions of the Police… it is your Fault!
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:50pmHi Iam
You do have a right to protest, yes. You do not have a right to defecate on public property. You do know that was one of the reasons Oakland was told to vacate, right, they were milling about in a lot of their own feces and causing a rather significant public health hazard.
Protest all you want, I’m good with that as a libertarian. Once your protest turns into a danger for passers by, then your right ends. Nobody has a right to harm others.
QED
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:53pmListen IAMAAMERICANCITIZEN if you really are one??? One thing for sure I am wondering about you questioning anybody on being American when you seem to have the foulest mouth of the whole lot of American’s posting here.. which tells me that you are young and possibly uneducated.. One if this young man is a veteran he looks awfully young to be a veteran.. maybe if the protestors weren‘t throwing things at the police then maybe this young man wouldn’t haven’t gotten hurt.. so who’s fault is it really?? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm I myself think it is the protestors fault.. if they had kept it peaceful.. then he would never been hurt. The police would have never had to shoot canisters in the crowd.. Take some responsibility! I know that is hard for your generation.. but try. Also… you know if you are a liberal, marxist whatever.. please realize that you are really at a conservative site.. take your foul mouth to a liberal site, where you will get along famously with others of like minded people.. Also, whether you believe it or not, we are very aware of what is going on.. it was written centuries ago .. yes centuries ago.. its called the bible.. and we know the outcome and it is not going to be good for anarchists!
Report Post »ValiantDefender
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:58pmFirst off, we are concerned about what is going on, but most of us want to see it fixed via legal means before we support resisting local protesting/gathering laws. These people are in violation of our communities laws. We have laws because we want order.
While some people are happy that ‘occupiers’ are getting rough treatment in Oakland, its scary for the rest of us. We worry about the escalation of violence on both sides. If I have my info straight, these guys were given a week at the location and then were asked to leave. They took their week and then are refusing to leave.
You love to call anyone here a Nazi for the use of power, but you do realize the irony right?
The Nazis USED the communists at first…and then when their usefulness was over, they used them as a scapegoat and had them all killed.
Who is “supporting” OWS but not truly a friend? Unions, Barack Obama, Piven, Soros, etc. Do you suppose they truly care about a young man taking a police canister to the head? No. They’ll only be happy if this ill-gated OWS gets them the revolution they want…and then the OWS will have passed their usefulness.
WHEN the people beg the govt to stop the chaos (the next step in the plan) who do you suppose the Govt is going stop? Wallstreet? lol. No, the OWS people. You will have been the catalyst for the revolution, and the cannon fodder to win over the masses because they’re killing OWS people to stop the chaos. Get it?
Report Post »We are Americans
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:07pm@abbygirl. Only Jesus saves!
Report Post »Are you now doing the judgements?
Nobody knows when the end will come.
Only God the father. Until He decides I advise
you to stop labeling people and try to get
along with your fellow Americans and work
to fix our country.
ValiantDefender
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:07pmIncrease of violence from either side plays into the hands of those who want violent revolution.
But what solution would make the OWS people go home? With their vague list of demands and mounting evidence that they’re backed and organized by radicals (most don’t know it – useful idiots), it appears more likely that there is nothing that would make them go home. This makes their sole purpose to hopefully stir up some trouble and get us to divide into sides over outrage and escalate further.
As far as following orders goes, I’ve asked myself several times…what will I do if the Fed tries to suspend 2nd amendment rights or abolishes the 10th? What will I do if the Fed folds into a global system or devolves into some kind of marxism?
At that point, I’m willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to defend the principles outlined in the US constitution…because I am an American Citizen. And you won’t find me whining that I got hit by a police canister – though i cannot stop people whining for me by proxy like some people here are!
Report Post »waxmrtle
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:11pmExactly. When I read these posts I am blown away how people still write about “commies, Marxists,” and how they should get their guns ready, etc. This isn’t the Cold War, people! This is about how inequality of wealth and opportunity is eroding our society. Corporate wealth controls both parties!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:16pmOh please Wax. You say this isn’t about “the Cold war” and then go and spout lines straight out of Das Kapital. I mean, really guy? Really?
My wealth is not equal to yours, nor yours to mine. Wealth inequality exists and will always exist, because wealth is not a static sum divided up and then we’re done. We *create* wealth through innovation, invention and work. If you divided up “all the wealth” today, equally, across the entire population, I guarantee you that in 5 years there would be people who were fabulously wealthy and people who were poor and homeless. Wealth is a function of choice, of your drive, and of the society you work in. Run for your when you hear somebody snarking on about “wealth inequality”, as he means you nothing but harm.
That you adhere to a zero sum economic model tells me pretty much all I need to know about your positions.
Report Post »chazman
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:19pm@IAMABUTTHEAD
… take yer Lithium and go to bed …
Report Post »We are Americans
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:24pm@ghostofjeffersons. Your right in some ways
Report Post »but what happens when your company
destroys itself by bad decisions? Should you
be bailed out by taxpayer money? Are you ok
with the masses bailing out the rich?
waxmrtle
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:36pmGhost – I believe capitalism is the best economic model ever created. But when it becomes a predatory, corporate beast that values the bottom line over all else, like what it’s becoming today, then government becomes its slave. Witness the bank bailouts, too big to fail. Dodd/Frank enabling the wheeling and dealing of Wall Street. The destruction of the middle class. Government only serves the corporate machine.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:37pm@We Are
Ah, but you see, I am and have always been against “bail outs”. As I am a true free market advocate I strongly believe in the right of success and failure based on merit. Bail outs by the government is a wholly un-American concept, and one that never should have happened here.
That being said, I’m not going to jump on the OWS bandwagon, because frankly they’re being used, their “elite” want another Kent State and are inciting the rabble to essentially “charge machine-guns” so to speak, and further, I find the notion of their socialist aims, outside of being against bail outs, reprehensible.
They are being used, and when they’ve shed their blood and their usefulness for the power brokers expire, they will be dispatched with extreme prejudice and efficiency by said power brokers. And they’re too damned stupid to know it. God how I wish I could reach and talk to some of them face to face, to try and help them see that they’re being made into pawns like this.
Answer your question?
Slainte
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:41pmAs far as “what would I do if my company made bad decisions and put itself out of business”, well, frankly, I’m not owed a job by anybody. And further, when companies make bad decisions in a long string, which are normally required to put one under, it’s obvious to everybody working there. My plan in that event is what it has always been, put out the resume once you realize the company heads are dorks, and get out before the ship goes down.
Again, nobody owes me a job, at all, ever. I am employed at will, and I remain employed by my own choice also at will.
Also, all free markets are predatory, that’s called competition. You cannot force somebody to buy your product though. If government gets involved, then it is no longer capitalism, it’s mercantilism at *best*. The more government involvement, the closer to a socialist-fascist model you move.
Report Post »waxmrtle
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:55pmGhost (and We Are), The bail outs were a travesty. But how do we avoid unfettered, profit-obsessed corporations from creating opaque, destructive ways of making money, and then causing massive crashes?? This wasn’t the first time this has happened in our history. I think we would agree that this taxpayer bailout should never happen again.
Report Post »We are Americans
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:58pm@ghost. We are in agreement then
Report Post »waxmrtle
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:01pmGhost – are you against monopolies? Seems to me you are, since government is the only means to prevent monopolies in a predatory capitalist economy. And once a corporation has a monopoly, is the market for its product/service free?
Report Post »We are Americans
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:03pm@wax. True capatalism died when they
Report Post »started breaking up the monopolies.
Nobody owes anybody a job but if our
taxpayer money supports you you better damn
well support the USA
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:07pm@We Are
Good. :)
@Wax
Only governments can enable monopolies. All of the historical monopolies in American were held through direct collusion with government, lots of government laws and payoffs, and lots of cronyism. That is hardly free market sir. There have been people who have tried to create monopolies without government, and they fail miserably every time they try (think of the great silver corner that filed a few decades ago for example). The market, without government interference (outside of refereeing), is naturally against the gross aggregation of all resources. It’s inefficient. Without government propping it up (monopolies), smaller, leaner companies can, and do, offer competition to large conglomerates and take them down with leaner overhead, better products, better price and better choice.
Report Post »waxmrtle
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:11pm@We are – Was life for Americans better when there were monopolies? Have to go. You and ghost make good thought provoking points. If you ask almost anyone they say they support the USA. And yes, I do. It’s my country, and it’s easy to do.
Report Post »dangarh01
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:42pm@Lemon
I agree with some of what you said. I use to work for a bookstore that had me thinking they were like this. The turn over rate was hilarious, and managers would come and go within months, due to them not meeting percentages. I really dont think that every single company does this. Yes, they try to pay less as possible, and skimp on quality as much as they can, but they do that in order to stay in business. These are crappy times. Just look at all the businesses that had to close shop. I didnt agree with alot corporate wanted from the stores I worked at, but at the end of it all they still hired me and others, and they still payed me. So yes, these companies are still are job creators/providers.
Report Post »Lemon Party Patriot
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 1:21amWe’re not talking about Borders or wherever. We’re talking about the largest companies. Sure, they still employ people.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 2:09amIAManAmericanCitizen
LOL. 1st Amendment rights? OMG here let me try to break it down for you in 4 simple words maybe even YOU can understand. THE PARK WAS CLOSED. The 1st does not give you the right to break the law or do want you want anytime anywhere. A land without laws is a land of Anarchy, Is that what your promoting. Hiding behind the 1st so you can destroy laws?
the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
The operative words here are to PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE. Would terrorizing the press constitute Peacefully? Would shooting paint at police officers constitute a Peaceful assembly. Want an example of peacefully assembling try emulating the Tea Party. Want to petition the Government for a redress of grievances hire a law firm or elect representatives into office.
You know that the later is impossible. American values and the Founding precepts do not support Communism, Socialism or Anarchy. So you break the law and then blame it on everyone else but yourself. Grow the hell up and put your big boy pants on.
Your grievance is with politicians who take money from corporations? Or utilize lawful loopholes enabling them to retain more money? Look to the quasi Marxist at 1600 Penn. Ave, He‘s taken more money from wall street then any recent President and hasn’t done a damn thing in closing these loopholes. .
Report Post »Steve
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 2:19amAlright Lemon Give us an alternative method to these problems while still incorporating the United States Constitution and the right of private property and individual liberties without incorporating any of the values in the following political ideologies that run rampant within the OWS
Communists
Socialists
Anarchists
You have so much to say and spit on most of us. Here‘s your chance to show us why your right and we’re wrong
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:48amCitizens don’t vote for police. They should. Actually we should only have ELECTED Sheriffs and their deputies. There is no such thing as a lawful order from a cop. Cops are permanent standing armies, which are a violation of the constitution at city, state, or federal levels. I do not like the stupid ows twits, I am not a liberal, I am a constitutionalist. If it isn‘t in there you can’t do it until you AMEND it. You don’t have to pick sides. BOTH can be wrong.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:32amFollowing orders is what Nazis do best.
Report Post »Scottscobig
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 1:18pm@wax
“unfettered” companies? Are you even aware of the language you’re using? Oh. So people should be fettered at their work? I don’t know what sort of work you do, but as a drywall contractor, I would find it rather difficult to walk on my stilts if one of my legs were fettered. How is it you have forgotten that it’s freedom (read: unfetteredness) that made this country great. The fact that different people have different outcomes to the use of that freedom is just because people have different strengths, some more marketable than others’. And did you ever ask yourself why you so blindly trust those whom you’d have apply the fetters? What qualifies them? Why do you insist on trusting big govt. types over big business types?
“profit-obsessed?” Well, what of it? Assuming you have a job, are you willing to work without a paycheck? No? Profit is the owner‘s or shareholders’ paycheck. Their paycheck is too big? Your covetousness has clouded your vision. YOUR paycheck is too big, compared to some.
You say you support the USA. Better check your definition of USA. America is a free, capitalist country, with a constitution that limits the govt from stealing that freedom. Included in that freedom is the ability to excel your neighbor. What, I should be forced to put unneeded training wheels on my bike just because you can’t ride without them?
Freedom. THAT‘S what’s led us to the unprecedented awesomeness we now enjoy. May we never fo
Report Post »SUMMARINE03
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 1:31am@IAMANAMERICANCITIZEN go back and tell the Tides Foundation, Code Pink, and ACORN this is what happens to idiots who try to skew the 1st Amendment into unlawful conduct, as a fellow Marine this guy is an idiot for not dispersing and going the F home. Plus RangerP is 100% correct, there are plenty of pogues who were in Iraq and Afghanistan who never ever felt danger.
Report Post »blazingaway
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:21pmThe police are “F”ing idiots.
Report Post »They have a controllable situation which allows them to devise a controllable means of removing this mess from the streets.
Instead of devising a plan, they start launching tear gas and bean bags to set-off an even larger mess.
If they can’t come up with a more responsible and controllable means to bring this mess under control they are idiots plain and simple.
I’m really beginning to find the police to be mindless control freaks who have been taught it is “us or them” and anyone who is not one of them is “us”.
Unix
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:27pmhey moron, why don’t you just dry up and blow away?
Report Post »Hickory
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:39pmOh, cry me a river you idiot. I am a Nam era vet. Would you cry for me? No. You threw projectiles at us when we came home. I’ll tell you what, KMA.
Report Post »IAManAmericanCitizen
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:41pmso refreshing to hear a little sanity from this page. thank you.
Report Post »Beckett
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:06pmIt was an unlawful assembly. You do not have the right to shoot paint balls, throw rocks, camp in a public park so other people can not use it, or block a public street.
When the cops say disperse. disperse or face the consequences.
Report Post »drago
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:25pm@blazingaway aka iamanamericancitizen, aka encinom, get lost you little punk azz pest, isnt it time to play more WoW….
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:41pm@IAMANAMERICAN
Causing quite a stir on your first day.
Probably not unintended though.
Ya think?
Report Post »BCPATIOT
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:59pmThe police defended their position because they were being assaulted by unmentionables,glass,bricks,eggs,and there where injuries in there ranks. I thought they showed remarkable restraint
Report Post »clip616
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:06pmAnd this comment makes absolutely no sense.
Report Post »clip616
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:11pmAnd you sir are a fool. Your post makes absolutely no sense.
Report Post »madasblazes
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 7:30pmHow odd. I have NEVER viewed the police this way.
Report Post »KILLACOMMIE4MOMMY
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:20pmNo Purple Heart for you!!!!!
Report Post »drago
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:44pm@Killacommie
Report Post »Love the name!
BCPATIOT
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:13pmKillacommieformommy–wish I had thought that Great handle…love the sentiment..: )
Report Post »TEXAN1836
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:19pmI dont care if he is a vet, I am too, is he sane?
Report Post »britlynz
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:34pmI stand with the vets serving on the Oakland PD.
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:18pmI see protestors throwing smoke grenades or tear gas grenades….
who knows for sure how this guy got hit, its couldv’e been friendly fire from one of the occupiers… he may have purposefully taken a hit to be an example — these are unstable mentally individuals, so there is no telling what they will do to each other for their street shows….
Report Post »Vital
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:40pmYou got that right..Im almost sure it was contrived except he wasn’t expecting it to hurt so bad.
Report Post »45Sentinel
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:10pmPlay big boy games expect big boy results. No crying owie.
F the Pigs and what are you gonna do pig? Question asked and answered. Growing up I learned a valuable lesson seeing others. You may beat the wrap but you won’t beat the ride.
Report Post »We are Americans
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:17pmI must be getting old. He looks like a baby.
Report Post »I hate to see our country divided. I think we
need to stop labeling each other and realize we
are the people. I think the common man is
put in the middle of these issues. This is not
a leaderless movement the media portrays.
I think most Americans think Tarp and the bailouts
sucked. I think most Americans want to work.
I think capatalism is a great system but I think most
Corporations are all about the bottom line and
are willing to take our bailouts but then ship our
jobs overseas. I think their are no easy answers.
I think Iraq was a huge mistake. I thank this
marine for his service. I pray for him. I think
this all really sucks.
waxmrtle
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:36pmAgree, We Are Americans. Too many things divide Americans. But the root of our economic troubles is Predatory Capitalism, the kind of capitalism that knows no national boundaries, seeks to sidestep laws and regulations, and concentrate wealth in the hands of 1%. More more more….no amount of wealth is enough in their hyper-competitive, Darwinian world. The rest of us fight for scraps.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:01pmWrong, WAXMRTLE, the root of the problem is socialism/progressivism/fascism — not “predatory capitalism.” To effect political ends and reward cronies, members of both parties have skewed markets and perverted capitalism. The risk-reward system of capitalism has been morphed into a political system.
Report Post »We are Americans
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:16pmI think your both right. The problem in
Report Post »the end is man’s greed. I don’t care
if you make trillions of dollars. If you screw
your company up you shouldn’t take taxpayer
money and then set up shop overseas while
the American economy disintegrates. Our
politicians are just as culpable as any business.
It’s so frustrating. Then they pit us Americans
against each other to the point if violence
Trust me. They are all laughing at us. They
are laughing at the OWS protestors. They are
laughing at the Tea Party. All the way to the bank.
waxmrtle
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:20pmI agree, Chuck, the system has been skewered. These corrupting influences are not traditional socialists or fascists. They are corporatists, running the show behind their government spokesment: Obama, Romney, the Bush family, etc. Capitalism is not the problem. Corporate control of it is, via buying off candidates, crony inside control, and international (out of sight) wheeling and deal making. Control of energy stocks is crucial to them.
Report Post »waxmrtle
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:25pmExactly. The voting public gets sidetracked into side issues by the 24 hour news media, keeping us busy while the economic engine that once made America great gets sold off or undercut by those at the top raking in historically huge profits.
Report Post »ConservativeGalinCal
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:28pmYou are right. There is no economic system that has provided the most opportunity to all people than capitalism. The problem is that some corporations have started feeding off of the American taxpayer through TARP and bailouts. They should have been allowed to go through bankruptcy court. Solid lessons on risk are learned if companies are allowed to fail, but bailouts only allow companies to continue taking bigger risks than they would normally take.
I pray the young man recovers, regardless of whether he was a Marine or not. He is my brother in Jesus and I wish him no ill will.
Next time, duck.
Report Post »waxmrtle
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:41pmI am not a Christian nor a conservative, but I agree with Christianevangelical 100%.
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:21amThe President and the Left are purposefully putting the people against one another, its a major distraction so we focus on each other and not on the real problem – the President and the left.
Report Post »motorcycleboy
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 4:28amThe left wishes they had 10 casualties like this guy — their leaders openly express hope for another “Kent State” they can rally around.
You can bet if he (G-d have mercy) were to die they’ll be carrying his picture around on posters at rallies all over the U.S. with lines like “police fascism killed Scott Olsen”.
That’s just the way it is.His propaganda value as a vet is multiplied a thousand times if his misfortune can be leveraged by their movement (probably outlined in Rules For Radicals).
At any rate in the case of Oakland, I figured this would end badly (not that it is certain it’s over). The Oakland camp had many current & former Black Panthers, ex-cons, and mentally ill homeless in their ranks. This combined with the fact that there were NO police there for weeks (though there were three local news vans there around the clock) gave the OWS occupanistas a false confidence, which made the police evictions more of an unexpected surprise. No unlike a parent who suddenly grounds a teenager after being silent about the same offense committed multiple times.
Report Post »j369
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:12pm@ conservativegal & wax
Yes corporate cronism is rampant in our country. But remember it takes 2 to tango. If the pols weren‘t in bed with them it wouldn’t be happening. We can’t lump our ire just on the gianormus multi-national corporations. We also have to single out all the corrupt senators and congressmen that enable these companies and then profit off of them. Of course that will weed out most of the people on Capitol Hill.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 1:57pm@ J369
Report Post »Excellent point. The point of action for the people is better at the politicians than at the corporations (unless you own stock, then shareholder action would great).
HAPPYRWE
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 2:48pmTo all the Liberals, The Socialist/Marxist/Nazi/Totalitarian/Workers of the World Unite/Democracy Now/Liberal/Progressive/ etc. etc. is the root of all of our problems.
They are saying it out in the open, destroy the Capitalist system, read true history, it’s all about taking control away from the people. You are being lied to and taught to hate.
Obama/Dems/GOP bailed out the banks etc. it’s all a set up, for all of us. Class-warfare, race-warfare, Progressives like violence. Good old-fashioned Americans, boring old “tea party” grandmas love liberty and common sense. Wake up and stop being used.
This isn’t a recess fight on the playground this is the dismantling of one of the last free nations on earth. Wake up. Communism enslaves and kills. Lots of these big bankers and big corporations are Socialists and they used Capitalism to further their agenda, now they are dividing and conquering, pitting American against American. It’s all in the open now, Beck has shed light on their playbooks. Wake up and find out who the real bad guys are, you are being used.
Report Post »Old Truckers
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:16pmIf a man puts himself in a confrontational posture, don’t be surprised if there are consequences.
Report Post »Beckett
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:16pmI hope he recovers.
I have been to many protests. This was Declared to be an Unlawful Assembly and these people were warned repeatedly to disburse.
Of course, this is exactly what they want to happen.
Report Post »forthepeople
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:16pmSmokey-Bojangles asked ” Who should we fear more? ” answer: Ignorance & stupidity with a mob mentality
Report Post »BCPATIOT
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:31pm@for the people: I have a doctor who voted Dem, And is waking up….but what scares me is he has half the info.and mixes up conservative vs. progressive….I am constantly straightening his facts out for him. He’s agood man,and good at what he does.But frankly he scares me w/ his ignorance.
Report Post »MMR
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:16pmI’m sorry that happened to him, but the cops gave a warning and they chose not to follow the law.
Report Post »SanDiegoCountyCitizen
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:15pmBig deal! So what? Seems like a rioter could expect to be injured WHILE RIOTING, eh? When it comes to this Marxist attept to overthrow the US, I hereby authorize police to use smaller and faster projectiles next time around!
Report Post »We are Americans
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:20pmGood. You advocate murdering American
Report Post »citizens for protesting. Good. Betcha call
yourself a patriot.
waxmrtle
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:32pmWell said, We Are Americans! The hatred expressed by people on this site towards a HERO is deplorable!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:53pmAssuming he was a vetran, how do you know he was or wasn’t a “hero” pray tell? Donning a government uniform does not grant you the status of hero, nor does it grant you common sense, intelligence nor a better moral code. I’m just curious how you came to this being an attack on a “hero”, if you’d be so kind as to explain?
Report Post »Alucard
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:45pmWhen did Media Matters get so many people to sign up at the Blaze??? LOL Thank you GhostofJefferson for bringing a little common sense to the boards.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:55pm@ALU
:) Thank *you* for taking the time to read my rather disjointed, sometimes incoherent ramblings!
Slainte
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:15pmIts a shame this people are stupid and are confronting the police, knowing that the police have to defend themselves….
There are better ways of getting your voice heard then taking to the streets like thugs and animals… this is why we have representatives at the local level – people you can go to, write to, talk to and express your voice to, that’s why we have a representative Republic.
So, while its a shame to see people hurt, these people are not innocent bystanders – they are purposefully putting themselves into these confrontations for the result of getting assaulted by the police because they are assaulting the police first, violating the law and disobeying police orders….
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:56pmIndeed. People at that age are constantly kept agitated and told to riot by leftists. It’s an easy sell for youth after all. It requires nothing more than a willingness to show up and be rowdy, what kid isn’t good at that after all? But I’ve learned in life that it is amazingly easy to get laws passed or repealed, simply by participating in the actual mechanism of government, as you point out. For example, in Ohio, we’re regaining our 2nd amendment rights by leaps and bounds every year and are much more gun friendly than even Texas now, all due to locals taking the time to write, call and get the attention of state reps.
But what do these kids know of that? It’s a shame that civics courses are no longer really about how to live in a free republic.
Report Post »RichNGadsden
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:57amI had recently read and heard of the recent changes taking place in Ohio regarding the return of many freedoms for owners of firearms. I’ve returned from overseas tours in Germany with firearms legally in my luggage. Pistols were kept in a locked box inside my luggage with their ATF tags tied to the trigger guards that had to extend from the baggage so that bag could be easily identified to contain firearms. What scared me the most was having the aircraft diverted to a NY, NJ, or Illinois airport. If we deplaned for any reason we had to go through customs. With the laws in those states I would have become an instant criminal and my pistols would have been confiscated. For some reason, most of my flights returning to the states were mostly through Charlotte, S.C.. But, I had been diverted on other trips to those stated mentioned above.
Report Post »I was happy to see that SCOTUS case go for that man in Illinois last year, but I wonder now when the state will bother to allow the 2nd Amendment to return. These lefties certainly see fit to trample the Constitution.
Ghost, also wanted to mention that I thoroughly enjoyed reading all of your comments above. You certainly have your head on right.
scout n ambush
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:15pmHe wasn’t near a police officer ? Kent state moment?
Report Post »lel2007
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:51pmNo, not a ‘Kent St.’ moment. Just another useful idiot expecting anonymity in the outlaw crowd of other useful idiots. In compensation, Olsen will now become the ‘occupier’s’ poster boy.
Report Post »heyjim55
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:15pmCan someone from the Blaze verify if this kid or any other that claim to be a vetran are in fact vets, I am not taking anything away from what happened to this young man but the Left likes to lie and fool people. There are many military surplus stores around and anyone can buy military clothing or buy it online if they want to. With a sound bite media and good editing they can make anyone believe that the 82 airborne is protesting wall street if they go uninvestigated. Van Jones and Co. have had a lot of time planning this and with Soros buying off the NYPD anything goes now.
Report Post »lel2007
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:01pmWhat if Olsen is a genuine U.S.M.C. veteran? You weren‘t thinking that just because someone wears the uniform and serves means they’re incapable of being stupid, traitorous, seditious, criminal or even un-faithful, were you?.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:11pmQuite correct LEL, I believe the same thing. I’m on record on the Blaze for informing people that they really need to lose this government-uniform worship complex that conservatives have developed since the mid 1970′s or so. Every man is an individual, and should be judged by his words and deeds, not by what kind of clothes he wears or whom he serves in an official capacity.
Report Post »FEARDOM
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 6:29amIf he wasn’t it well be on every headline on here tomorrow
Report Post »CurlyJ49
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:15pmHe chose to be there, time to face the consequences. The police must restore order best not to be in their way.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:14pmWhy would a group veterians for peace be marching with a group of radical terrorists? I guess this one of those typical liberal groups that has a name that means the opposite of what they actually stand for.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:32pmVeterans for Peace is an anti-war group. I wondered how many of them realize they’re also working for global government, Soros etc). Seriously, I’ll bet 1/2 of Veterans for Peace are sincere about not wanting to fight “other peoples’ war” but don’t see the bigger picture that organization stands for (Code Pink, etc).
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:33pmYep, like the “Patriot Act”
Report Post »lel2007
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:14pmIt ain’t easy being a useful idiot.
Report Post »BCPATIOT
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:51pmLEL: thankyou for the laugh!
Report Post »Mauireman
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:12pmGood shot!
Report Post »lel2007
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:12pmCivil disobedience has it’s dangers.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:11pm.
Report Post »That’s why you should wear a helmet. Remember kids Safety First………
djmaine
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:09pmYou can‘t say he wasn’t warned. He chose this path.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:21pmWell let’s see…this riot was organized by the 99% of all household germs to try to retake the park after the protesters were evicted, so in short..they came looking for a fight…what should the police be using? Harsh language? I have no pity for the idiot. Play with fire..you burn your fingers.
Report Post »djmaine
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:30pmAmen
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:08pmWho should we fear more?Communist or the Police?
Report Post »lel2007
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:13pmCommunists and democrats.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:16pmEvery form of Govenment has it’s Police… so fear the Governemt that would enslave or harm you!
Report Post »undercover
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:17pmThe police weren’t breaking the law HE was. By the way, communists kill MILLIONS and not by accident.
Report Post »SanDiegoCountyCitizen
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:17pmThe police are on the side of the law abiding, so there is nothing to fear… unless you are a Marxist, rioting the streets!
Report Post »yougottabekidding
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:19pmCommunists
Report Post »First things first! I thank him for his service.
That being said he was some where they were told to move from. If he was hit by a police projectile, which no one has proven yet, then he was creating a problem.
I don’t ever remember being hit or even seeing a police projectile
Brooke Lorren
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:26pmFor now, the police are on the side of the law abiding… mostly. In this case, they seem to have been. If you watched GBTV last night, you may recall that some police departments are starting to recruit people with not so great pasts into the police departments.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:44pmThank you, Blaze editors, for censoring my post as it was not sufficiently 100% pro-police. How dare me.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:06pmAs Napoleon said: “canonfodder”!
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