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Report: U.S. in Direct, Secret Talks With Taliban in Afghanistan

Pulitzer-prize winning journalist, Steve Coll, has the scoop in the New Yorker: ”The Obama administration has entered into direct, secret talks with senior Afghan Taliban leaders. The discussions are continuing; they are of an exploratory nature and do not yet amount to a peace negotiation.”

Report: U.S. in Direct, Secret Talks With Taliban in Afghanistan

Still, the seeming purpose of these talks is to wind-down the Afghan war:

For the United States, the overarching goal of such negotiations would be to persuade at least some important Taliban leaders to break with Al Qaeda, leave the battlefield, and participate in Afghan electoral politics, without touching off violence by anti-Taliban groups or gutting the rights enjoyed by minorities and women.

Although the Taliban’s record is nothing like Al Qaeda’s, they have aided international terrorism; in 2000, for example, they facilitated the escape of the murderous hijackers of an Indian Airlines passenger plane. As Hillary Clinton indicated, the morality of talking to them at all, given their history of violence and repression, is debated within the Administration, as it is within the Afghan government. But in both countries there is also hope for an honorable path to end the war.

Coll writes that the talks are the late Richard Holbrooke’s “final diplomatic achievement” as he and a few others in the Obama administration argued last year “that it was time to try talking to the Taliban again.” Others in the Obama administration objected to the talks on moral grounds.

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  • simplygilly
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:41pm

    Oops, not so secret anymore.

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  • tlewis
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:34pm

    You have Muslim Congressmen who are supporting C.A.I.R. and the other way around. How can America be safe? Lefts face it, the liberal, democratic voters are destroying our country.

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 7:36pm

      Glad to see that there are others out there who have woken up! Welcome!

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  • RedeyeBlind
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:29pm

    He will talk to tally dorks and not WE the people

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  • Eblaze44
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:17pm

    Not very much of a “SECRET” any more. I wonder if this is like the secret talks with the North VietNamese – we are getting ready to surrender (like the Soviet Union did) and walk out with both of our hands high over our heads.

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  • mike_trivisonno
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:17pm

    The US Military is a bunch of cowards.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:26pm

      Please let all of us know why you would think this. Too bad you and your proud family members were not at the top floor of the World Trade Center on 9/11.

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 7:35pm

      Perhaps you‘d like to say that again within earshot of any active duty military member who’s seen action in the middle east. Be sure to bring plenty of gauze, iodine, and splints. The last person who make comments like that was out of the hospital in only two days….you, however seem to be a special case…..ever been kneecapped?

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 6:53am

      You know why I say this? Because to contemplate the alternative is even more shocking.

      In what way is America served or our interests protected by what the US Military has done in the last 70 years? How are we strengthened and our prosperity ensured by the Us Military working with, advancing, and strengthening the interests of Islam and Jihad?

      How is America and Western Civilization advanced and maintained through suppression our future, our values, our superior way of of life to Islam? How?

      We are not. We are too cowardly to champion our culture. We have submitted to, fostered, and strengthened the house of the enemy while neglecting and denying our own. Look at the beautiful flower of Islam opening in the Middle East.

      We could have nipped it in the bud. Instead we fed the beast.

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:06am

      Indeed, throttle a fellow citizen. Brave and sober. Analytical and enlightened.

      Perhaps if you put as much hatred into destroying the house of the enemy as you do into maiming a fellow citizen, the Middle East would look a little more like the Enlightened West instead of a backwards Islamic cesspool of blood and human and suffering.

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    • fatpatriot
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 8:57am

      Dear mike,
      Your anger is misplaced. You have expressed anger towards things that our brave service men have little to do with. Your anger, though justified, should be directed at those in every progressive administration beginning with FDR that have attempted to destroy any notion of American exceptionalism. Our military does not work with, advance or strengthen the interests of Islam or jihad. This has been done by the “politically correct” version of our Government.not the military. Every service member I have ever known has the interests of the US at heart. Not the Federal government but the United Sates of America and her citizens. They do not fight for policy. They do not fight for party. They do not fight for ideology. They fight for the idea that is the USA. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. So you see, they do champion our culture of freedom. Your anger should be directed at those who wish to see our culture changed from one of freedom to one of subservience. These are our supposed leaders not our military. Look at the progressive agenda starting in the 1940′s and see how much our country has changed from one of self-reliant entrepeneurs to one of the welfare state and it’s only getting worse. Our military and our 2nd amendment rights are the reason that no one has attempted an armed invasion since the 19th century. The invasion today is supported by “political correctness”.
      Please don’t blame our brave service members for the shortcomings of the “elites” in charge. If you want to be angry then be angry at the ones in government who don’t share your vision of what America is and should be. Vote them out! By the way, just word of encouragement, if I were to ever hear you say, in my presence, that our service men are cowards I would immediately knock you on your backside.

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 9:11am

      Then they need to remove those domestic enemies. They do not.

      Their house is a hopeless mess that is utterly incapable of defending this nation from the threat of Islamic Jihad. They have muslims in their ranks right now engaged in jihad. They are too cowardly to clean their own house, name the enemy, and vanquish from our lands.

      I feel sorry for the children our cowardly leaders have sacrificed on the altar of Islam. It has to stop. It just as to stop.

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 9:21am

      Well maybe not cowards. Perhaps “children” would be better. They are as children when confronted with the threat of Islam. Children are not effective when dealing with Muslims engaged in Jihad in an effort to spread Islam in praise of their deity Allah as instructed by their warlord prophet Mohammed. I would rather have stern men unafraid to call out the Muslims, reject their jihad, their backwards culture, and defeat them Instead of the doe-eyed children we send into battle without ever telling them of the enemy we face.

      We should defeat the Muslims not advance their cause.

      Jihad is real.

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 9:27am

      All of you are so happy to mete out some pain to me for pointing out your faults. Pretty sad.

      I think you would be better served kneecapping and backside kicking the Muslims who are trying to chop my head off!

      It is no wonder the children of Beslan paid with their lives.

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    • fatpatriot
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 9:36am

      Mike,
      If you ever once looked into the eyes of a warrior such as our warriors you would not see “doe eyed children” but men of great resolve. Our miltary is made up of the best and brightest America has to offer. They do not differentiate between policy,party or correctness. They do the job given them. If the leadership establishes a goal and then tasks them with the accomplishment they do it.
      Direct your ire at the leadership above the military. Obama, Dept of Sate et al… You better hope that the military is there if full blown jihad springs up in the USA.

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    • fatpatriot
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 9:41am

      Mike
      Do you really think you are the only one that recognizes the danger of Islamic jihad? You speak as if no one but you has any concern or resolve to beat it back. I assure you that there are literally millions in this country that will fight to the last breath…..

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 9:45am

      Wait. Full blown jihad? That makes no sense. There is only jihad.

      When Muslims engaged in jihad in an effort to spread Islam in praise of their deity Allah as instructed by their warlord leader Mohammed, flew airplanes into the Twin Towers at the World Trade Center, killing thousands of my fellow citizens and igniting the flames of jihad the planet over, well, that was just an incident, huh. Not really a full-blown jihad on American soil. Just a couple of “terrorists” “angry” at America?

      Instead of naming the enemy then and there, we submitted…to Allah. So, even when confronted with “full blown” jihad, out military failed.

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 9:52am

      There may be millions ready to fight but I am afraid they will be fighting for Allah. The jihad is here on American soil, in the halls of Congress, in the ranks of the military, in the towers of education, in schools of medicine, and in the production of our food. The jihad is proceeding in America at a breathtaking pace.

      But I guess it just not “full blown” enough for us to do anything about it.

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    • fatpatriot
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 10:07am

      mike
      You got me . bad choice of words “full blown jihad”. What part of it is not the military do you not understand?
      What are you prepared to do? Are you willing to work through the system to make sure that sharia never becomes accepted in the US? Are you willing to work to make sure God fearing men are elected to office? Are you willing to give your life,your fortune and your sacred honor? Or are you content to sit and complain about a military you know nothing about? Your rantings make me think you are an adolescent without any idea of how to combat the Islamic threat.
      There are 4 boxes you can use to beat back the Islamist threat.
      The Prayer box. Hit your knees and pray for our leaders and our Country.
      The ballot box. Vote out anyone who would yield our freedoms.
      The jury box. Convict those guilty of crimes.
      The ammo box. God help us if this becomes necessasry.

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 10:15am

      Sorry fat patriot, but your analysis of me, while no doubt filled with hilarity for you and yours, will do nothing to mitigate the Islamic Jihad in America.

      If you have evidence that proves the US Military is fighting Muslims in an effort to beat back Islam, I would like to see it.

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    • fatpatriot
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 10:22am

      mike,
      your circular logic bores me. bye

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 11:06am

      Ok. See ya.

      If you ever need to be schooled in Islam or Jihad, I am here. I have a very good understanding of Jihad and am always happy to guide those lost in the mirror funhouse of Islam.

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    • nursemolly
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:40pm

      Well, Mike, what an ignorant remark. But ignorance is not a crime! Otherwise you would never see the light of day. You are free to go elsewhere and we hope you do. The truth be, you are no doubt too much of a coward to get through boot if you had the intelligence to get that far. What a bore you are!

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  • oceanman
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:54pm

    Didn’t we learn anything from our own history? That taliban is akin in many ways to the Confederate states in our own civil war. Perhaps there needs to be some lead way in negotiations, because in a sense they are going into there own phase of Reconstruction. Or you can look at them as Germany after WW1 and see the similarities of a loss of inclusion. Not that I expect Comrade Obama to do it in a meaningful way, but I would like to think there are still a few intelligent people hidden in our Guberment somewhere. Or perhaps just recognize no matter what we do it will come back to bite us in the ass.

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 7:32pm

      You are a fool. The Taliban are NOTHING like anything you’ve seen before, much less like the Confederacy, or even Germany after WWI!!!! Such analogies only prove that you have no concept of what is going on over there, and that you are hopelessly ignorant of your current government. There are NO intelligent beings in the White House! They are doing their best to do the absolute worst for this country because they believe this country needs to be taken down a few hundred notches! These so-called talks are NOT for the benefit of this country…they are for the benefit of the TALIBAN! Such talks will only lead to future problems of an even worse nature that the next legitimate President will have to correct….

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 8:37am

      This is a typical self-absorbed Western analysis. What is happening in the Middle East, and anywhere Islam interfaces with not-islam has nothing at all to do with the events of a western society like America. The enemy is concealed from you. And even if the enemy was named and pointed at, you would probably deny it. It is simply too alien to the civilized Western mind.

      There is no terrorism, terrorists, Taliban. Those are Western-style bogeymen we use to hide from the truth of enormity of the threat being revealed as we speak.

      Oh well. Jihad has generally been denied throughout the last 1,400 years…until the heads begin to roll and the blood begins to flow. In praise of Allah…which is deity unrelated to God.

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  • Paleo Archer
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:53pm

    Maybe Patreuis had enough….McCrystal saw (Barry) for what he was……Big Joke, WAY Over His Head and along with his staff, Czar’s, etc, etc.

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 8:49am

      The general cannot name the enemy, and will never be able to defeat it. All he can do is appease and submit…to Allah.

      He denies Jihad and it will consume him and the children of the West.

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  • Paleo Archer
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:49pm

    How can it be “secret” when now it’s on a open source website…….? You should say “once secret talks”………

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  • Whostolemypig
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:48pm

    Obama is recruiting them for duty on the union picket lines.

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  • dizzyinthedark
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:46pm

    No surprise here as he’s already had Muslim Brotherhood to OUR house and funded them with taxpayer money. http://www.marshallfrank.com/articles/2010/09/white-house-holds-workshop-to-help-agents-of-jihad/

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  • etetetet
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:43pm

    Psst – Psst – Taliban – Hey, it’s Obie – yeah Obie from the ‘whatusedtobetheUS” – yeah, me. Hey, I’ll come over and be your leader ok.. Experience – well, I’m a community organizer, yeah that’s the ticket – a community organizer, and I can like organize you guys – women, well I need a place where I can put mine in her place because, well because they watch me in the US. – yeah, I know silly human rights – ahahhahahahahahhahahahaha – so whatcha say – can I come and play with you – BHO

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  • parmajohn
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:39pm

    Is There a subliminal tie to “Royal Condoms and Sickbag” article “Just saying”

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  • emertz8413
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:37pm

    This administration is Jimmy Caaaater on steroids!

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  • tbolt71
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:32pm

    screw marching on wisconsin…we must march on washington NOW and remove that POS potus in handcuffs…he is systematicly destroying our country

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  • silquin11
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:26pm

    Of course we would be in talks with the “TAUHLLIBAN” through their pal BHO (our POTUS?)….

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  • kramh
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:26pm

    We are broke,we do not have the funds to be the policeman of the world any more. It is ok to go and kill bad guys, but lets not stay. If we do not rebuild the damage we cause maybe they will think twice before supporting bad guys.

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    • 1TrueOne55
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 6:02pm

      What we need to do is let our Special Operations Soldiers take care of this problem and bring most of the foot soldiers home. I’m sure that AllState guy and his team can get the job done and done well.

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    • Fina Biscotti
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 10:07pm

      Great idea……KRAMH = don’t bother rebuilding what is destroyed, and their country may think twice before supporting the bad guys.

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  • batteredtaxpayer
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:26pm

    We’ll come out on top like we did in Vietnam,declare victory and leave. Don’t you think this will give all our enemies the idea that we can be outlasted? What a waste!

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  • Fina Biscotti
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:22pm

    so in other words, having secret meetings w the Taliban in Afghanistan – is a recruiting process – close down the war in Afghanistan – in exchange – for what – ? –
    to come invade the United States of America – while usurper obama/soetoro forces our US borders to remain open – refuses to control, close and enforce our US borders as a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY – and sends our ICE agents into Mexico unarmed – to consult w the Mexican government over the cold-blooded-blood-thirsty Mexican drug cartels – just as the usurper’s Rules of Engagement made sense to have our American Troops on the battelfield abroad – wo their weapons loaded.

    Usurper Obama/Soetoro is a SICK MAN – and cannot be trusted – on anything that he is doing – as an ILLEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT.

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  • cheezwhiz
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:22pm

    So whats new about it ?
    http://biggovernment.com/taylorking/2009/11/17/jane-fonda-obama-funder-jodie-evans-met-with-taliban-code-pink-gives-terrorists-direct-line-to-obama/

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  • 13th Imam
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:21pm

    Harry Reid said “This war is lost”

    O”Bummer is asking for our terms of surrender

    Bring our men and women home before O’Barry folds like a cheap suitcase(Imported from China)

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 7:26pm

      We agree that these talks are fruitless, and that we should remove our troops immediately (for once, WALKWITHME1966 makes sense, but for the wrong reasons).
      1. You’ve never met truly evil people before. If you’d met the Taliban on their own ground, you would be scared s–tless by their utter disreguard for you as a woman, as a person, and as an infidel.
      2. This protracted “police action” has been turned into a joke by the current regime, and is being fought on the same terms as the Vietnam War. It will not be won by the traitors we have in the White House now, and every soldier who has died for their country since Jan.21, 09 has been murdered by his government. Get them out of Ashcanistan and Iraq before they become embroiled in the islamic takeover going on now!

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  • knotaclu
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:20pm

    so, if they are secret, we found out about them how? oh wait, it’s the Obama administration, I got it..

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:19pm

    And this is a suprise that it is coming out right now? Many have figured this was ongoing for some time and when we finally leave, Obama will declare victory and the Taliban will take back most or all of Afghanistan in the name of Sharia Law, then the slaughter of the people will really begin.

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    • getperks
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:29pm

      Obama is a community organizer and campaigner first and foremost. He doesnt take a breath without considering the political value. When will the USA learn that it is ok to act on principle now and then?

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    • J.C. McGlynn
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:15pm

      Didn’t Fox say something about a year ago? For some reason, I think I may have heard it on O’Rielly Factor.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 5:33pm

      @JC

      I believe you are right; many have predicted that Obama would pull such a maneuver off, I think Nixon did something similar to this as well in part with North Vietnam at one point.

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    • DashRipRock
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 5:42pm

      JC
      those were “Private talks” back then

      now they are “Secret private talks”

      so secrat the whole world knows

      someone must have told Biden

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    • RLTW
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 7:24pm

      @Dash, yes he’s putting them on super secret probation like animal house.

      If our Gov had the courage we could be out of the ME in about a year, but only to return later. Pull out the press and release the full force and capabilities of our CT forces across the world at any and all radical targets, hunt them without remorse, set them back about 10to 20 years, we’ll only ever buy time before it needs to be done again, again and again.

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  • Showtime
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:17pm

    Don’t hold your breath for anything positive if Obama has anything to do with it! He hasn’t been successful in a thing FOR America since he sat down in his senate seat.

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    • Fina Biscotti
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:25pm

      Two weeks after being “elected” as a US Senator,

      he began campaigning for POTUS.

      *******

      Every time Usurper obama/soetoro and Eric Holder as US AG speak out about Vote Rigging in other countries, it makes me absolutely sick.

      These street thugs have no shame….vote rigging is their game – worldwide.

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    • knotaclu
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:27pm

      you are correct, he has not been successful in anything for the US but he has been successful in his agenda. He is accomplishing exactly what he wants to accomplish. Rush wanted him to fail and he has not failed. He is getting just what he wants and we all suffer for it….

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    • Showtime
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:55pm

      @NotAClu ~

      Well, the control of the House going to the Republicans internationally pissed off George Soros! And, the Republican House has crippled Obama. He doesn’t have the means to ramrod legislation now. You noticed how he was not willing to work with Republicans before? And now he’s begging for Republican “cooperation.“ The Republicans have sense enough to know that we did not put them in office to ”cooperate.” We put them in office to FIGHT BACK, and they ARE fighting back!

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  • Robert-CA
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:16pm

    Get the troops back home & save their lives & save our $$$$$$$$$$$
    & stop dealing with terrorists .

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    • cnsrvtvj
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:27pm

      The Obama administration talking to the Taliban is kind of a scary thought. If they could get them to quit working with Al-Qaeda it would be good, but how could you take them at their word. I can’t see where anything could be accomplished by this, but we’ll have to wait and see.

      http://www.donsmithshow.com – see the Lesson in Civility video

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    • leftylemn
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:30pm

      Let me grab a shovel to dig a hole in the sand for you to stick your head in dude.

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    • CatB
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:43pm

      @Robert ..
      agreed .. I don’t see how you can “negotiate” with terrorists … best to get the hell out. I don’t understand with drones and such why we have boots on the ground anyway.

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    • Robert-CA
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:52pm

      @ CNSRVTVJ
      For me the talibans are terrorists & pro sharia law + corruption is everywhere in Afghanistan .
      My problem is with this administration that considers that the talibans are moderates , can someone explain to me how they see them as moderates ?
      We’re pumping millions of $$$$$$$$$$ to a corrupted country when we’re in such need of these millions & not to mention our brave heroes loosing their lives there .
      If we can’t kill or capture that SOB Bin – whatever , let’s get out of there & stop sending them our money that they’re taking when @ the same time cashing that money they’re killing our soldiers & burning the American flag .
      We can’t be allies with sharia law .

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    • bikerr
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:36pm

      @ Robert-CA– You are right to post not deal with terrorists, however leaving is the wrong answer. what’s the right answer?. Let the best military in all the world do it right, and defeat terrorist every where they are.

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    • Robert-CA
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:56pm

      BIKERR
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:36pm
      Let the best military in all the world do it right, and defeat terrorist every where they are.
      ______________________________________
      I agree 100% with what you said but you can’t fix sharia law & we‘re not gonna be able to change them no matter how long we’re gonna stay there & to what price .
      It‘s a battle of culture it’s a battle of sharia law it‘s a battle of education it’s a battle of corruption it’s a battle of women vs men & they’re all related , you win a battle you’ll loose the other one .
      Our brave heroes can’t fix that nor our politicians .

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    • cnsrvtvj
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 5:03pm

      @Robert-CA – While I don’t know if leaving at this point is the right strategy, the rest of your post makes a lot of sense. They are not moderates at all.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 5:03pm

      @Robert CA

      Agreed, bring them home now, before Obama would decide it is better just to leave them there out on the vine and at the Talibans non existent mercy.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 5:07pm

      @CnsrvtvJ

      The simple answer with the Taliban is we cannot ever take them at their word, save one in which they seek our destruction; just as with Obama we cannot take his word in him working to negotiate with the Taliban unless there is some series of ulterior motives at work.

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:23am

      Made in the USA
      According to Ahmed Rashid, a correspondent for the Far Eastern Economic Review, in 1986 CIA chief William Casey committed CIA support to a long-standing ISI proposal to recruit from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. At least 100,000 Islamic militants flocked to Pakistan between 1982 and 1992 (some 60,000 attended fundamentalist schools in Pakistan without necessarily taking part in the fighting).

      John Cooley, a former journalist with the US ABC television network and author of Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism, has revealed that Muslims recruited in the US for the mujaheddin were sent to Camp Peary, the CIA’s spy training camp in Virginia, where young Afghans, Arabs from Egypt and Jordan, and even some African-American “black Muslims” were taught “sabotage skills”.

      The November 1, 1998, British Independent reported that one of those charged with the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Ali Mohammed, had trained “bin Laden’s operatives” in 1989.

      These “operatives” were recruited at the al Kifah Refugee Centre in Brooklyn, New York, given paramilitary training in the New York area and then sent to Afghanistan with US assistance to join Hekmatyar’s forces. Mohammed was a member of the US army’s elite Green Berets.

      The program, reported the Independent, was part of a Washington-approved plan called “ Operation Cyclone”.

      In Pakistan, recruits, money and equipment were distributed to the mujaheddin factions by an organization known as Maktab al Khidamar (Office of Services — MAK).

      MAK was a front for Pakistan’s CIA, the Inter-Service Intelligence Directorate. The ISI was the first recipient of the vast bulk of CIA and Saudi Arabian covert assistance for the Afghan contras. Bin Laden was one of three people who ran MAK. In 1989, he took overall charge of MAK.

      Among those trained by Mohammed were El Sayyid Nosair, who was jailed in 1995 for killing Israeli rightist Rabbi Meir Kahane and plotting with others to bomb New York landmarks, including the World Trade Center in 1993.

      The Independent also suggested that Shiekh Omar Abdel-Rahman, an Egyptian religious leader also jailed for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, was also part of Operation Cyclone. He entered the US in 1990 with the CIA’s approval. A confidential CIA report concluded that the agency was “partly culpable” for the 1993 World Trade Center blast, the Independent reported.
      Bin Laden

      Osama bin Laden, one of 20 sons of a billionaire construction magnate, arrived in Afghanistan to join the jihad in 1980. An austere religious fanatic and business tycoon, bin Laden specialized in recruiting, financing and training the estimated 35,000 non-Afghan mercenaries who joined the mujaheddin.

      The bin Laden family is a prominent pillar of the Saudi Arabian ruling class, with close personal, financial and political ties to that country’s pro-US royal family.

      Bin Laden senior was appointed Saudi Arabia’s minister of public works as a favour by King Faisal. The new minister awarded his own construction companies lucrative contracts to rebuild Islam’s holiest mosques in Mecca and Medina. In the process, the bin Laden family company in 1966 became the world’s largest private construction company.

      Osama bin Laden’s father died in 1968. Until 1994, he had access to the dividends from this ill-gotten business empire.

      (Bin Laden junior’s oft-quoted personal fortune of US$200-300 million has been arrived at by the US State Department by dividing today’s value of the bin Laden family net worth — estimated to be US$5 billion — by the number of bin Laden senior’s sons. A fact rarely mentioned is that in 1994 the bin Laden family disowned Osama and took control of his share.)

      Osama’s military and business adventures in Afghanistan had the blessing of the bin Laden dynasty and the reactionary Saudi Arabian regime. His close working relationship with MAK also meant that the CIA was fully aware of his activities.
      http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/CIA_Created_Osama.htm

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  • TruthTalker
    Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:15pm

    I am sure Obama has been speaking with these guys for a long time no. No secret here.

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:29pm

      I’m sure our president is propbaly having secret talks with the taliban…and I‘m sure it’s not in favor of America… : 0 (

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    • Creestof
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:30pm

      Yeppers…

      “So how about this muhammad, you guys lay low for a few months and we’ll declare victory, pull out and then you guys take over again. Meanwhile, we’ll give anyone in your army a million dollars and a free ride to America, a new identity, free home…and all you have to do is vote for me in 2012…huh? Whaddaya say pal?”

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    • CatB
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:31pm

      Making a deal with the devil …. what are we going to give them in return? Amnesty and Citizenship in the U.S.?

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    • riseandshine
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:33pm

      anything to get out of that place.the taliban isn’t high on my list of worries

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:34pm

      Lemme support your statement and repost:
      http://biggovernment.com/taylorking/2009/11/17/jane-fonda-obama-funder-jodie-evans-met-with-taliban-code-pink-gives-terrorists-direct-line-to-obama/

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    • exdem
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:34pm

      @CREESTOF
      You nailed it!

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    • cnsrvtvj
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:35pm

      You’re probably right thruthtalker, they seem to be his kind of folks. I’m good with it if they can do some good. I just don’t know how you can actually negotiate with terrorists. Even if you get a commitment from them, how do you trust it?

      http://www.donsmithshow.com – see the Muslim Brotherhood video

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:35pm

      So where are these taaaleebaaan put up during these secret talks ?
      In the Lincoln Bedroom ?

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    • riseandshine
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:40pm

      afghanistan was just a conduit for getting into iraq by the bushies.it ought to be obvious by now that we can’t police the world. bring the troops home. muslims didn’t take down the towers. nano-thermite

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    • Copenloaf
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:42pm

      Obama doesn’t give a crap about what happens there as long as there will be cameras showing our troops leaving during the election next year…..God Protect our Heros around the World

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    • My Two Cents
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:49pm

      Offer them purple t-shirts, free box lunches and a bus ride. Lots of people submit to this tactic.

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    • riseandshine
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:58pm

      nano-thermite…it’s as plain as the nose on your face…see prof.steven jones.i promise it will be very enlightening…beware the debunkers

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    • proudconservative
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:09pm

      The only talking that should be going on is surrender or die and if they choose the latter, get the job done quickly using the full capability and force of our military and then bring them home.

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    • scoter
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:09pm

      You are so right. God bleass us.

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    • NickDeringer
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:18pm

      @Creestof

      More realistically: “Look, Alli, we’ll give you guys a billion if you just cool it until 2016 when a Republican is in office. All our troops will be out by then and you can take back your parking spot at the Kabul 7-11 and we can blame it all on the GOP. It’s a win-win.”

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    • bikerr
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:31pm

      @My Two Cents–you posted partially–Offer them purple t-shirts. What an insult to all vikings fans.(sorry as we all are about Brett)

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:32pm

      @Nickderrigner

      Good idea of how it will happen; Obama would sell out the nation and our troops across the board for the chance to advance his agenda at home and around the world. I still feel a spring time offensive of some kind in the Tet Style will happen; and the POTUS will then claim victory, or just up and leave most of our troops there to wither on the vine. He cares nothing for them after all.

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    • DashRipRock
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:33pm

      I am so sick of 9-11 Truthers.

      Fools that believe the X-Files was a documentary.

      Idiots who believe the Lochness Monster

      lives in their toilet.

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:37pm

      Stop negotiating with our enemies, MORONS!!!

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    • SlimnRanger
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:45pm

      yep,yep,you can bet Obama is talking with them and saying things like “what can we do today to help America fall”

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 4:56pm

      Anything to get our of that country and bring our troops home. I am not scared of the Taliban – they just want us out of their country. This is really good news! http://wp.me/pYLB7-Eh

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    • cnsrvtvj
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 5:00pm

      @Robert-CA – While I don’t know if leaving at this point is the right strategy, the rest of your post makes a lot of sense. They are not moderates at all.

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    • poverty.sucks
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 5:11pm

      You can never have a good deal with a bad man.

      We’ve already offered leniency, they’re running out if options, time to take them out for good.

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    • Xcori8r
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 5:22pm

      Taliban, Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR, Unions, Liberals, Reid, Pelosi, Democrats, fast poison, slow poison –all just different stripes of the same animal. All will have the same bad results sooner or later.

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    • 1TrueOne55
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 5:51pm

      He’s is telling them that if they stop fighting American Troops for a specified period so that he can get them out during his term as President. When that happens then the Taliban will come back take over Afghanistan like they did with the Soviets and it will turn into another Terrorist Hideout.

      IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH

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    • gopsnativeson
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 6:03pm

      But in both countries there is also hope for an honorable path to end the war.

      An honorable path,,,,,,,,, One party has no honor the other has no morality.

      Take your pick as to who’s who.

      This should work out just great for us.

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    • jzs
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 6:48pm

      Never talk to your enemy. Just kill them, all of them. That’s the takeaway here.

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    • staggerlee32
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 8:31pm

      These people running our country are mental!

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    • calebgs83
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 8:34pm

      Obama Bin Laden?

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    • mcfinch
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 8:45pm

      Yep I know he is in on something.

      http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos

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    • colonial10
      Posted on February 19, 2011 at 11:53pm

      Mr.Kissinger wrote a report on how to deal with violent peoples or terrorists. He suggest’s that we have given them money, we have given them what they want, we have done everything for them and they still turn on us. What an idealistic approach this is to reason with Mad men. I guess if your gullible you can convince yourself that terrorists can become your buddies. Let’s invite the Taliban to Thanksgiving and we can treat them like family. Maybe play some video games with them as well.

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:20am

      In the months before the Taliban took power, former U.S. assistant secretary of state for South Asia Robin Raphel waged an intense round of shuttle diplomacy between the powers with possible stakes in the [Unocal] project.
      “Robin Raphel was the face of the Unocal pipeline,” said an official of the former Afghan government who was present at some of de meetings with her….
      In addition to tapping new sources of energy, de [project] also suited a major U.S. strategic aim in the region: isolating its nemesis Iran and stifling a frequently mooted rival pipeline project backed by Teheran, experts said.
      But Washington‘s initial enthusiasm for the Taliban’s seizure of power provoked a hostile reaction from human rights and women’s organizations in the United States. The Clinton administration quickly decided to take a more cautious public approach. Plans to send the U.S. ambassador to Pakistan on a visit to Kabul were canceled, and the State Department decided not to recognize the new regime immediately. Nevertheless, Unocal executive vice president Chris Taggart continued to maintain, “If the Taliban leads to stability and international recognition then it’s positive.”
      Tacit U.S. support for the Taliban continued until 1998, when Washington blamed Osama bin Laden for the bombing of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and retaliated by launching cruise missiles at bin Laden’s alleged training camps in Afghanistan. The Taliban’s refusal to extradite bin Laden- not its atrocious human rights record-led to UN-imposed sanctions on the regime the following year. “Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright used to say that she cared about the women suffering under the Taliban, but after the Taliban took over the U.S. accepted very few refugees,” points out journalist Laura Flanders. “In ‘96 and ’97 no Afghan refugees were admitted to the United States; in ‘98, only 88, in ‘99, some 360.”
      Whatever the U.S. government’s current rhetoric about the repressive nature of the Taliban regime, its long history of intervention in the region has been motivated not by concern for democracy or human rights, but by the narrow economic and political interests of the U.S. ruling class. It has been prepared to aid and support the most retrograde elements if it thought a temporary advantage would be the result. Now Washington has launched a war against its former allies based on a strategic calculation that the Taliban can no longer be relied upon to provide a stable, U.S.-friendly government that can serve its strategic interests. No matter what the outcome, the war is certain to lay the grounds for more “blowback” in the future.
      http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghanistan/Afghanistan_CIA_Taliban.html

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:26am

      FBI: Bin Laden Not Wanted for 9-11? The ‘FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9-11′ by Enver Masud

      The FBI’s “Most Wanted persons” web page does not state that Bin Laden is wanted for the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

      The FBI page states: “Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, plantings of the United States Embbutties in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks end over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other person attacks throughout the world.”

      When asked why there is no mention of 9-11 on the FBI’s web page, Rex Tomb, the FBI’s Chief of Investigative Publicity, is reported to have said, “The reason why 9-11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9-11.”

      In the months leading up to the Septmber 11, 2001 attack, it is reported, the Taliban “outlined various ways bin Laden could be dealt with. He could be turned over to the EU, end by the Taliban, or made available as a target for Cruise missiles.” The Bush administration did not accept the Taliban’s offer.

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:28am

      http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden

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    • GEETAR
      Posted on February 20, 2011 at 6:55pm

      He probrably had dinner with Bin Laiden last night while the christmas tree was falling over and Michelle was eating twinkies

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