Report: U.S. ‘Scales Back’ Joint Military Exercise With Israel, After First Postponing It
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An upcoming U.S.-Israel joint military exercise has been greatly scaled back, months after being postponed in the first place amid escalating tensions with Iran, Time magazine reported.
Austere Challenge 12 is still set to go forward in October, but with less than one-third the number of U.S. troops and fewer anti-missile systems, according to Time:
Instead of the approximately 5,000 U.S. troops originally trumpeted for Austere Challenge 12…the Pentagon will send only 1,500 service members, and perhaps as few as 1,200. Patriot anti-missile systems will arrive in Israel as planned, but the crews to operate them will not. Instead of two Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense warships being dispatched to Israeli waters, the new plan is to send one, though even the remaining vessel is listed as a “maybe,” according to officials in both militaries.
“Basically what the Americans are saying is, ‘We don’t trust you,’” a unnamed senior Israeli military official told Time.
But a Pentagon spokesman pushed back against the report, both that the scope of the exercise had changed or that it was a sign of U.S. mistrust.
“Austere Challenge-12 remains the largest-ever ballistic missile defense exercise between our nations and a significant increase from the previous event in 2009,” Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Jack Miller told Reuters. “The exercise has not changed in scope and will include the same types of systems as planned. All deployed systems will be fully operational with associated operators.”
A U.S official declined to say how many troops would be participating in the drill, but told Reuters the number was larger than Time reported. An Israeli defense official also said the exercise “will be held on a similar scale as when it was last held, two years ago.”
The exercise as scheduled will take place a month before the U.S. presidential election. Israel has been a contentious campaign issue amid reports the Obama administration has been pressuring the Jewish state to hold off on striking Iran’s nuclear facilities, while Republican nominee Mitt Romney has emphasized Israel’s “right to defend itself.”
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Elena2010
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 9:54pmEgypt‘s islamists are now demanding to take control over the Coptic church’s bank accounts. I call that grand theft. Israel does not even confiscate the possessions of her enemies
http://www.aina.org/news/2012083019958.htm
Report Post »Platonician
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 12:17pmThanks for that information, Obama’s propaganda machine, the MSM, is covering up all the atrocities which are being committed by the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 9:51pmHere is what the Arab spring is doing and saying abt Israel — it‘s Israel’s fault for public health problems
http://www.timesofisrael.com/cairo-must-amend-shameful-treaty-with-israel-says-egyptian-official/
Israel takes in Arab patients, heals them, only to be shot in the head later by the patient. Israel is all for peace, but the Arabs won’t have any of it. The muslims only want to kill and destroy Israel.
Report Post »ourig
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 9:41pmi will never get worry …we got the best protection in the universe הקדוש ברוך הוא
Report Post »loveoursoldiers
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 9:34pmWe don’t trust israel and we DO trust Afghanistan? who turn and kill our soldiers almost every day.. and then some military appointee.. who is obviously told not to say anything negative about Muslims.. makes an excuse for why they killed our soldiers.. who just trained them? he says.. they were fasting and so………
Report Post »I am SO angry that no one seemed to question that
And yet ans still Obama and surrogates claim he has never been more supportive of Israel?
How can people believe this garbage? when the evidence is otherwise?
Eraina962
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 1:05amLOVEOURSOLDIERS- Excellent point!
Report Post »duhwut
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 2:37pmIsrael is not a very good ally. They are actually our enemy. Countless spies from Israel have infiltrated the highest ranks in government and leak highly classified and top secret information to Israel. Many of these spies have been caught in the past.
We need to end our relationship with Israel. These “dual-citizens” that come over from Israel and reside in our government are not loyal to the U.S. but to Israel.
These Zionists create all of the problems in the world and call in America to fix them.
Report Post »mzk1
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 4:50pmObama supports enemies and betrays friends. Israel, Honduras…
Report Post »Yakov-Yurovsky
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 9:21pmMay be I’m wrong? Maybe it wasn’t Churchill who ruined the British empire? Maybe it was when Britain voted against the state of Israel in 1948!
Don’t worry folks, this is all part of living history. We Americans will do the right thing when the time comes, I hope! I Don’t think we want to become an Islamist socialist state like Britain for making the wrong choice! lol
Report Post »mzk1
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 4:48pmThey abstained. We almost opposed it. However, much of the mess was caused by Britain’s appeasement, duplicity, and basically their trying to hold on to the area when they were only custodians.
Being thrown out of “Palestine” was probably an important step in killing the empire.
Report Post »duhwut
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 8:30pmIsrael is our greatest enemy. They have foreign agents that run our government and leak highly classified intelligence to Israel constantly. I dare any of you to look up how many Israeli spies have been caught in the past few decades. Our own senior military officials have extreme disdain for Israel. If you are pro-Israel then you have successfully been propagandized by them. We have no reason to be allies with Israel. They give us no benefit and only drag us into conflicts that we don’t need. I’m tired of watching our troops fight for Israel. Its sickening.
Elena2010
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 9:34pmThey may compete w/us in the marketplace, but they are no enemy.
Israel is the ONLY Western democracy in the region. We share faith and values much more w/them than any of the totalitarian dictatorships in islamic countries. We share our spiritual history w/them as we share a political one w/the British and French.
Report Post »MAX0O1
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:31pmYOU SEE it is the stupidly ignorant people like you that put the whole world in peril.NOW T-R-Y
Report Post »TO USE THAT TINY MALIGNANT BRAIN of your and concentrate. I will even repeat myself for YOU.
WE HAVE NEVER HAD TROOPS THAT FAUGHT FOR ISRAEL.Now again WE HAVE NEVER
HAD TROOPS THAT FAUGHT FOR ISRAEL. Got it !
Paul
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 12:28amYour avatar fits…
Report Post »Eraina962
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 1:14amDuhwut (what a name!): Israeli R&D on our military equipment enabled us to do as well as we did in the Gulf Wars I and II. Israeli innovations and improvements on US military equipment are implemented in the US (their ideas/our jobs), Israeli medical and technical advancements improve US lives and their spies actually pass on valuable information to us. We have rewarded the Israelis with manipulating their elections, training their enemies to kill them (Yes!) and forcing them to pull back from areas needed to ensure their safety. WE RULE ISRAEL, THEY DON’T RULE US! And we treat them as concubines. No wonder they spy on us. We have broken every agreement we had with them. Jonathan Pollard gave the Israelis information that we agreed to give Israel but did not. We screwed them over, and he knew it.
Report Post »duhwut
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 2:33pmWell friends don’t try to constantly steal top secret intelligence from us. Israel has had THE MOST spies within the U.S. than any other country. I DARE YOU ALL TO LOOK THAT UP.
Who wants to side with a Zionist Jew nation when they believe that we are all goyim and are slaves under them. Don’t believe me? Read the Jewish scripture. Its in there.
Also, why the hell is Israel the only country not part of the NPT (Nuclear Proliferation Treaty) that has nukes? They have 80+ nukes.
Beware of propaganda. I was once under its spell but am no longer.
“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” Revelation 3:9
Zionist Jews =/= Jews. Zionist Jews are the liars of the “synagogue of Satan” that run Israel and the U.S. Zionism is what starts wars for Israel and draws in the U.S. Our country is being used by these zionists and we are brainwashed into thanking them for it. Everybody needs to wake up and see what is really happening.
Report Post »mzk1
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 4:53pmIn all of the four wars in which the Arabs tried to create a second holocaust, these are the positions of the US:
1948: Neutral
1956: Antagonistic
1967: Officially neutral
1973: Supportive, but held off resupply so long that the Syirans were almost in TIberius.
Although now the US is officially an ally, they still make Israel do suicidal things.
Report Post »mzk1
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 4:56pmDo freinds try to get friends to do suicidal things? Do they undercut them when they try to defend themsleves? Because this i swhat the US often does to Israel, especially under Obama.
How about some info on how many American agents are in Israel. Or on how much intellignce Israel gave the US.
Report Post »redriverattackdog
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 8:24pmThe fact that Obama still has a chance of reelection is a black mark on the state of the intelligence level of a large number of Americans. What is it that drives his supporters, the tanking economy or the alienation of our allies?
Report Post »RUDunyet
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 8:13pmObama has done almost irreparable harm to the US by refusing to respect the US allies, fawn over the US enemies and show his true feelings – an almost sycophantic attitude to islamic regimes. Actually, his bowing to the princes of Saudi Arabia shows the respect that was instilled in him during his formative years.
Report Post »MrKnowItAll
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 8:04pmIf these posts are not enough to convince you we are Very Divided under Obama. Nothing will.
Report Post »woodyee
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 7:35pmHang in there Israel. Nov 7th will usher in a new FRESH day in America, free from the Capt of the Ship of Fools and Hero of the Stupid…
His minions – the Fools and the Stupid, will still hate you, because hate is what drives them – in particular it is self-loathing. They will eat themselves from the inside out, but you will persevere, as will we; our ideals having made us the great nation we are, and the last 50yrs of Leftist dogma which has been the septic sludge of our History, will be a chapter in the book of freedom that all free Nations will strive to learn to never repeat…
Report Post »Pigpen
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 8:16pmYeeeeehah! You tell ‘em WOODYEE!!!
Stand with Israel and Free Jonathan Jay Pollard !!!
Bibi says that Pollard is a HERO! Bibi says Israel should DEMAND JUSTICE for the Jewish-American TRAITOR whose acts of espionage most likely resulted in the DEATHS of American intelligence assets in the Middle East! Yeeeeehah!
YEEEEEHAH!
Stand with Israel and SCR3W the USS Liberty!
Israel wanted to prevent the US Navy’s intelligence ship the USS Liberty from gathering intel on their murder of prisoners of war so Israel preemptively attacked the Liberty and machine gunned her surviving crewmen! BUT I want to be a good ol’ fashioned American Christian like you, WOODYEE, so SCR3W THE USS LIBERTY and her dead and wounded US Navy crewmen ‘cuz I’m with YOU! I STAND WITH ISRAEL!
[end sarcasm]
Report Post »woodyee
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 9:21pmto Pigpen – Pollard is not the issue here, but since you brought it up, I thought to do a little research and share it with you. Here’s a teaser –
“The most devastating accusation that has been lodged against him is that the stolen material ultimately wound up in the hands of the Soviet Union and resulted in the capture and death of American intelligence sources. If true, that would justify the harshest possible punishment and undermine any appeal for mercy. But it is highly unlikely that this is so.”
Read more here – http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-pollard-spy-case-25-years-later/
However, if you’re expecting me to get into the mud with you, you’re wasting your time. Enjoy!
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 9:36pmPigpen — our State Dept was simply a branch of the KGB in the post-WWII era. I don’t hear you griping abt the foolishness of the US Democrats who hired them and protected them.
Report Post »Pigpen
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:01pmWOODYEE posted: “Pollard is not the issue here.”
Hmmm, so Pollard didn’t do anything, and if he did, he what, just unilaterally decided to spy on the US and Israel politely accepted the intelligence he gave them? And what about “Bibi” Netanyahu saying Pollard is a HERO? A call for clemency, yes I could understand that, but a HERO? And “unlikely” is weak. Why did Pollard get such a harsh sentence? Let me guess, antisemitism? And no research on the USS Liberty then? No comments on the US Navy crewmen who died at the hands of our good ally Israel?
ELENA2010 posted: “State Dept was simply a branch of the KGB in the post-WWII era. I don’t hear you griping abt the foolishness of the US Democrats who hired them and protected them.”
Yeah, sorry Elena, but I definitely DO GRIPE about them. I would love to chat with you about my feelings on Chambers, Hiss, and the John Birch Society, but THIS thread is about lovable ol’ Israel. So try again.
I STAND WITH THE USS LIBERTY! AND SO SHOULD YOU, AMERICA!
Report Post »Pigpen
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:19pmWOODYEE posted: “Pollard is not the issue here.”
Hmmm, so Pollard didn’t do anything, and if he did, he what, just unilaterally decided to spy on the US and Israel politely accepted the intelligence he gave them? And what about “Bibi” Netanyahu saying Pollard is a HERO? A call for clemency, yes I could understand that, but a HERO? And “unlikely” is weak. Why did Pollard get such a harsh sentence? Let me guess, antisemitism? And no research on the USS Liberty then? No comments on the US Navy crewmen who died at the hands of our good ally Israel?
ELENA2010 posted: “State Dept was simply a branch of the KGB in the post-WWII era. I don’t hear you griping abt the foolishness of the US Democrats who hired them and protected them.”
Yeah, sorry Elena, but I definitely DO GRIPE about them. I would love to chat with you about my feelings on Chambers, Hiss, and the John Birch Society, but THIS thread is about lovable ol’ Israel. So try again.
I STAND WITH THE USS LIBERTY! AND SO SHOULD YOU, AMERICA!
To theBlaze moderators, is the third time a charm? What exactly about this particular post violates your terms of use? Why won’t you post it? The fact that it doesn’t shill for Israel? Or is it that it presents the idea that Israel just might not be our best ally? WHAT?
Report Post »MAX0O1
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:33pmGOD love ya!
Report Post »mzk1
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 5:02pmPoeple who spy for Egypt get four years. Pollard, giving information to a much better ally that the US was in the course of betraying, got life. Someone explain this.
Hell, why should a country try to get its agents back? You think Israel doesn’t return US Agents?
Tell you a true story. Some lady in Israel bought some filing cabinets from the US embassy/consulate. She opened it up and found some sensitive US information, some of which describing how the US was screwing over Israel.
You know what the Israeli government did? They made her give it right back, and threatened her with arrest if she didn’t.
Report Post »All Pro
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:27pmMaybe Israel shouldn’t have rejected her messiah. “I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you.” That statement was made to Abraham. Abraham was not a Jew. The nation of Israel didn‘t exist nor did Jacob or even Jacob’s father Isaac. There is nothing funnier than a christian that has never read the bible quoting verses they heard someone else say.
Report Post »v15
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 7:08pmI think Christian Science is equally hilarious.
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 7:10pmMaybe what Israel should do is slam dunk Iran on the heels of an earthquake.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 7:13pm“Basically what the Americans are saying is, ‘We don’t trust you,’”
No, Americans trust you. Its Obama and his adminstration that is the problem.
Report Post »DLV
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 1:09amAll pro- You do realize that Abraham’s descendants were Jews yes? So therefore the statement applies to his lineage. Lol. come on now.
Report Post »NewLife56
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:19pmIt is beyond me, how any Jewish man or woman can vote for Obama, it would be like those of us that is white voting for the leader of the new black panther party
Report Post »PurrrpleMtnMajesty
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:10pmObama does NOT represent MUCH of America.
Report Post »And we are STILL a CHRISTIAN Nation (80%) who HONOR the land that gave us
our Holy Scripture and our Savior..
barber2
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:51pmSomeone needs to create a clever “Empty Stool” campaign button . Give the proceeds to Clint Eastwood’s favorite charity .
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:47pm“OBAMA” scales back………………………..
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:45pmWhy bother with war games? Israel will be in the real deal soon enough.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 7:43pmUnfortunately so.
The world will regret the day it collectively did nothing about Israel’s bully neighbors. The whole damn world will go up in flames as a result of substituting talk for action. Bullies only understand power and the possibility of seeing their own blood down the fronts of their shirts.
Report Post »loafer4952
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:40pmWe need to throw this empty chair out, He needs to leave this great country. Ship him to Iran, then bomb the crap out of them.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:30pmhow about not doing them at all and use that money to help the people out of work or under employed.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:38pmThink of the infrastructure improvements that could have been done with the trillion dollars spent rebuilding Iraq, or the billions spent rebuilding Afghanistan. We need to get out of the Middle East. Israel is, and always has been, an albatross around the neck of American policy.
Report Post »v15
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:39pmThe United States could do both – give aid to Israel and build our economy – but progressive government regulations are killing the private sector.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:41pmYou are the big time progressive spender.
Report Post »WindyDualism
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:13pmJerky and “indy”-
Report Post »Peas in a pod it seems. Just on the massive industrial weapons side, look at all the “testing” they have done on our platforms that validated the need for that platform, and the monies saved as a result. I am buying matching Galils in your honor-maybe go old school and get a couple of mini-uzis if the price is right. Hold hands now and sing kumbahya backwards if it helps your indvidual sickness.
Elena2010
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 7:35pmIndy — should Obama get himself reelected, he will pink slip a large number of service personnel. Will you be happier then?
Handing out play money is never a solution to unemployment or underemployment. Getting gov’t out of the way is. Gov’t does one thing well – war. The rest of its attempts at other things usually go over budget, come in late, don’t work as planned, make matters worse, etc.
Welfare drove poor people out of the job market by giving them “free money.“ It invited in a whole bunch of illegal workers who now take work that ”Americans won’t take.” It destroyed family units by dismissing fathers fm the picture. Boys and girls grow up w/o a positive male role model and have to live w/a sense of insecurity w/o a father present. Gangs fill in the blanks there. It has threatened our national security, way of life, and hopes for a future better than our parents’ past.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 7:41pmJerk — infrastructure should be a matter for local gov‘t not federal gov’t to decide. How many roads to nowhere do we really need?
The federal gov’t needs to move back to the boundaries of the Constitution – they were really few and simple ones.
State and local gov’t need to decide, and tax accordingly, how much infrastructure is needed, what kinds of teachers are hired or fired, etc. It is not a central gov’t/planners job to say where my local library is or which books belong on the shelves.
Report Post »ledbythnose
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 7:51pmHey guys . Hows about not sending any more money to Hamas and Egypt and Hezbollah in Lebanon to buy Rockets to shoot at Israel? You guys crack me up with your Lefty BS talking points. You wouldn’t see the truth if it was force fed to you..LOL I have came to the conclusion that Folks like you are either pathetically stupid . or you are deliberately undermining the security of this Republic and that of Israel. Both ways don’t look good for you Peckerwoods . See you on the streets of America soon . Bring a sack lunch , you are going to need it.LOL
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 8:57pmmajority of military spending is not even on the troops, its on insanely priced highly technological weaponry that we really don’t need as well as bases abroad, we could balance the budget by cutting that part of the military without touching the troops, but making higher education affordable will allow for the troops and others to find jobs after being kicked out or quitting the force. if we spent the money we do on military and war abroad on infrastructure education and helping the people, this country would be much better off today. the people should come first. But establishment GOP is just offering war and almost anything is better than that and Military is the easiest thing to cut and if Obama does that than good.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 9:45pmIndy — Obama wants to gut the military, personnel included.
Yes, high tech weaponry are costly items, but so are high tech drugs and high tech toys.
Again, gov’t is only good for one thing — make war/protect national interests abroad.
Gov’t cannot make higher education less costly w/o getting rid of some educators, which they can’t do because of tenure. My father, a PhD in organic chemistry, taught at the university and made LESS than my mother who was a public school teacher. In summer, he would work on gov’t military projects and make almost as much w/them.
That was a long time back when university professors had high respect but poor pay. Now they get little respect but get a whole lot of money for their pompous pronouncements.
Besides, we don’t need a whole lot of college educated unemployed. We might need some good, skilled carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc. There is nothing more frustrating than not having skillful workers who just throw things together and hope they make it until the warranted runs out. You do NOT need a college degree to run a network or other high tech jobs. Those kinds of jobs are not being trained for in high schools but need to be. High school should be a place where basic education for life is mastered. The academically gifted then go to college, which will weed some more of them out. Our grandparents generation had it about right.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:46amhigher education doesn’t just mean college it means trade school and tech school as well. but right now most Americans and basically most of humanity would rather spending on them than on war including I. but right now for many folks higher education is not affordable and the best way to make it, is to stop backing loans, maybe use lottery money to help pay for serious people like the hope scholarship in Georgia.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 4:46pmIndy — I would love to see every kid get a first rate education. I have been a life-long educator who continues her education, too.
However, it is NOT in the federal gov’t job description to educate our children. It’s simply not in the Constitution. It is the job of the parents, who band together at the local level and form what we call public education. That is what property taxes are for. States that run lotteries also apply their “winnings” fm lotteries on education.
The federal gov’t needs to draw itself back to what the enumerated powers had identified for it. Leave the rest of it to local and state gov‘t where local gov’t is not powerful enough to accomplish a task – like highways.
Scaling the federal gov’t back to enumerated powers will reduce the federal tax load. I’d like to rescind the federal income tax amendment (#16) and have the federal gov’t exist on tariffs and tolls. Moreover, they should start fm scratch w/regulations. Put in place smart regulations — no more regulating for the sake of regulating.
Report Post »thegreatcarnac
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:24pmObama has insulted our traditional allies since his arrival. He bows to the Saudis and insults the Brits. He welcomes dictators from africa and slights Netanyahu of Israel. He abandons Mubarrak and helps the Muslim Brotherhood. Obama is a walking disaster. He is worse than Carter. He needs to go. He needs to go NOW!
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:40pmIsrael is not our ally. The first gulf war proved just how valueless Israel is to our interests.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:00pmJERK: Please enlighten us with the details to back up your Israel slam..
Report Post »barber2
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:04pmCARNAC: And isn‘t it wonderful that after all of Obama’s kowtowing and appeasement that Iran and North Korea are now forming bonds !? Oh, the irony. Bush was bashed by the Left for calling them the Axis of Evil . Guess the Left has been against capitalism ( America / Israel ) for a long time ! Didn’t end with the fall of Communist Russia .
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 7:45pmJerk — Israel did not get involved BECAUSE we asked it not to fire back on Saddam when he rocketed their homes and businesses. I’d say they were the PERFECT ally then.
Had they shot back, the Arab coalition would have fallen to pieces.
I was on the ground in Saudi Arabia at the time, so I do know something of the first Gulf War.
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:23pmObama…coward, traitor, backstabber…I curse those who voted for this arrogant destroyer of our country and our freedoms.
His high paid speaker engagements will begin soon I hope…and you will know our enemy by those who attend and cheer.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:51pmPeople who voted for Obama did so because Bush 2 was a complete disaster. Dead Americans in the sand of a nothing country, sucking up to the rich (again) and passing laws restricting Americans freedoms. Patriot Act anyone. There really wasn’t much of a choice. This time, however…
Report Post »barber2
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:21pmEX: You bring up valid points. Taking democracy to the Iraqis by Bush is viewed as a disaster . But now all of the new so-called democrat revolutions going on over there are “welcomed” by the Left. Go figure. Will be interesting how history looks back on all of this in the Big Picture. IF there is one.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 7:52pmThe conflict in Iraq was ill-timed. Saddam did NEED to be gotten rid of, but we should have finished him in the first Gulf War when we had the military manpower to make it stick.
Bush’s greatest fault lay in his belief that all men want to live free and have democratic forms of governance. Nothing could be farther fm the truth in dealing w/islamically ruled areas. Islam is a totalitarian form of government, w/the religious overtones, governing w/the religious consent of the governed. Islam is NOT compatible w/Western democratic traditions. The Western tradition comes out of the Enlightenment and a Judeo-Christian perspective of the nature of humanity.
Islam does not hold a “free will” construct. Judaism, and its offspring Christianity, do adhere to “free will” for all humanity. This is best seen in the Prophets in the Old Testament. The Prophets present two courses of action, and we are free to choose which to take. There are consequences for each path, which they clearly spell out. There is no such option in islam.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 9:15pm@ELENA2010. Great post.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 9:39pmHows that Democratic Rev in Syria going?? Can you find a way to blame George?
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:20pmAnd so Obama is showing his true colors of ideology again; not trusting or supporting Israel and letting Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt prepare to do battle with them.
Report Post »freedomisasfreedomdoes
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:11pmIsrael rocks! :(
Report Post »nobull14
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:06pmAgain Oblamo shows us his Muslim roots?.
Report Post »iampraying4u
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 8:12pmobamination our present president has set a president for not helping Israel
Report Post »iampraying4u
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 8:17pmI meant precedent
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:59pm& we here don’t trust this present president.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:59pmWho’s kidding who? “Patriot anti-missile systems will arrive in Israel as planned… .”
We are a belligerent nation… fact. Wonder why they hate us? Belligerency. We are arming Israel, period. I’m tired of our wealth being used for this tiny, little, bellicose, contentious, combating nation.
Report Post »GlennaBeckski
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:07pm@ Jerk
You do realize when you denigrate Israel .. You are also denigrating the God whom they belong to right? God says… “I will Bless those who Bless you (Israel) and CURSE those who curse you (Israel)
Just curious.. how’s life working out for ya?
Report Post »WindyDualism
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:07pmWay to be a proud anti-semite, don’t hold back now, tell us how you really feel about anything Jewish. Are your ears smoking with the knowlege that that tiny country has smoked every attempt at it? Was it a diamond with a fault you bought or a really hot Israeli chick that smacked down your attempts? Every time the goat herders get froggy and mass in numbers, that lil tiny country sends them packing. Do you take that personal too? Sad little existance you have going there if all of your vitriol and hatred is reserved for one small group of people. Could be time for some serious couch time-but the best psycho peeps happen to be Jewish, does that also imflame your insane antisemite side? Go buy a Jericho, great shooters…
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:30pmGlennaBeckski, don’t speak for God. It’s very unbecoming.
Report Post »v15
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:35pm“You do realize when you denigrate Israel .. You are also denigrating the God whom they belong to right? God says… “I will Bless those who Bless you (Israel) and CURSE those who curse you (Israel)” – Glennabeski
@Glenn, quit with the Christian bullying tactics. These “God is so going to smite you down” remarks are a common hypocrisy that is used by readers of The Blaze. I’m still finding my beliefs but it bothers me to see Christians quoting Bible verses with the intent of exercising control over other individuals.
I’m pro-Israel but not for religious reasons. We were instrumental in Israel’s creation, they are loyal allies even though the USA has back stabbed them many times, and enemies from all sides threaten them with annihilation.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:35pmWindyDualism: “Way to be a proud anti-semite… .”
Ignorance is difficult to combat, ask any parent of a teenager.
Zionism and Jewish are not one and the same. Israel is a Zionist state, that, like the Nazi state of old, seeks ethnic purity. This is why they allied themselves with the Nazis, in particular, Eichmann.
Are these people antisemitic? http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/index.cfm
According to you, and sadly many others, they would be. That, my friend, is ignorance.
Report Post »NineteenEighty4
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:36pmOur country was not founded in order to fulfill ancient desert prophecies of a barbaric people. Israel can fight it’s own wars, if they so choose to start one. But don’t let me interrupt your Israel circlejerk. I’m sure God will love us when we sentence thousands of soldiers and civilians to their deaths. God is all about turning the other cheek, right?
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:40pmyeah that country is such a bug, if they want to bully and beat up innocent Iran than let them do it on their own. if they drag America into this we better boycott them to death till they leave for good.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:58pmJerk: So “ we are a belligerent ” nation but Iran isn’t ? Any chance you weren’t even born during the loser Carter years and the Iranian hostage taking incident ? Maybe you also missed the Palestinian massacre of the Israeli Olympic athletes? Maybe you missed the assassination of Anwar Sadat by the Muslim Brotherhood ? Or the killing of a navy sailor who was murdered and thrown from a hijacked airplane ? Or the elderly Jewish man who was tossed, in his wheel chair, from a hijacked cruise ship ? Yeah, America and Israel are always the bad guys. These Arab/ Palestinian/ Muslim fanatics are just a swell group of loving people who have not been treated right….
Report Post »WindyDualism
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:07pmJerky
Report Post »Look back at some of your posts-could be on weather in so america-and you find a reason to bring those pesky zionists, jews, or Israeli’s into your rant of the moment. Whatever, bliss is what it is. Still, it must really irk that they swat the muslims of the moment every time. Tiny little country of Jews from all over the world – and they deny your dream every time. Have a happy kiniption fit. Oh, look, you have the demented “indy” on your side-kudos are in order clearly. Sonnenkinder?
LIBTARD_SLAYER
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:31pmI think the one username more fitting for you would be The_Stupid, or perhaps The Stupid_Jerk. Clearly, you`re elevator doesn`t go all the way to the top, or are you simply the product of a fine liberal education.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:43pmINDIVIDUALISM There is a Code Pink rally at 5pm. Ron Paul will be hosting……
Report Post »WindyDualism
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:54pmJerk-
Report Post »I count zero (0) friends as antisemitics. Wear your jackboots and swastika with pride, and remember when you get lonely, “indy” is there for your comfort.
GlennaBeckski
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 7:12pm@V15
My comments are scriptural (Gen 12:3) and were addressed to THE_JERK. It was not meant to be a “bullying tactic” but merely the truth. A “warning if you will”. God will not be mocked!!
I hope that doesn’t confuse you any further in finding your faith, which I sincerely hope you find.
I do not apologize for my comment however.
Report Post »And it’s Glenna … Glenna Beckski
JACKTHETOAD
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 7:36pmAww, how cute. Jerkski wants his widdle piccha taken next to the Enormous Embarrassment next time he shows Biibi the soles of his feet. You know Jerk, It’s not necessary. I’m sure God already knows who you are.
Report Post »rawmilker
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 10:00pmIts obvious that obama is allowing the ****** brothers to build up strength over there and within his admin. I think he’s got some of those goat- fuchers speaking next week at the Commie National Convention…..
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