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Researchers Show How Easy it Is for Toddlers to Open a Gun Safe

Security Researchers Find Gun Safes Easily Cracked by Toddlers

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Gun owners, especially those with small children, are wise to keep their firearms in a safe under lock and key. But in a blog post Friday, Marc Tobias, a physical security specialist, posted videos showing that toddlers could crack safes simply by dropping them on the floor a couple times.

In Forbes, Tobias writes “You should know how unsafe these gun safes are.” He writes that Security Labs was asked to review the designs of three leading brands of gun safes made by Stack-on, GunVault and Bulldog, after the death of a 3-year-old in Vancouver, Wash., a couple years ago:

We agreed to provide expert analysis and testimony as a public service to the victim’s family; the parents were a police officer and student nurse. They have allowed us to tell the story and release videos of different containers and how easily they can be compromised because they do not want anyone else to suffer the same nightmare.

We are providing a detailed report  and analysis of eleven different popular gun safes produced by Stack-On, GunVault, and Bulldog to warn the public of the dangers inherent in some of these products because the manufacturers nor their major retailers will do so. In that report you can view eight different Stack-On models, one produced by Bulldog, and one manufactured by GunVault. A similar design defect is demonstrated in an inexpensive safe for storing valuables that is sold by AMSEC, a very reputable safe manufacturer in the United States. Unfortunately, their digital safe with their claim of a “state-of-the-art electronic lock” can also be opened (literally) by a three year old because of a common mechanism used in the industry that is subject to circumvention.

Tobias and his team put together a video showing how a 3-year-old can open three different Stack-On safes and one by AMSEC. With the first two, the toddler just lifts up the safes a couple times and lets them drop with a thud. Then he grabs onto the knob and easily opens the safe, which contains screwdrivers for these purposes. With other safes, the boy is able to insert a thin metal strip to open it up.

In short, the incident leading to this extensive gun safe analysis happened in 2010 when 3-year-old Eddie Ryan Owens — who went by Ryan –somehow opened Stack-On safe within the family’s home. Ryan’s father, Ed, was a detective with the Vancouver, Wash., sheriff’s office. The department-owned safes were for officers to protect the firearms within their homes. Tobias reports Ed alleging the department knew of defects in the safes. He spoke publicly about this and was fired, which he has filed a wrongful termination lawsuit for.

Tobias writes an “unknown number of safes” are still being used by the department. Although, since it has been shown bouncing the safe could allow the latch to open, they are required to be mounted on a hard surface:

We first figured out what was wrong with the suspect safe by using a high-speed video camera mounted inside the container as the mechanism was bounced. What we discovered caused us enough concern to expand our inquiry to virtually all of the Stack-On models of similar safes, and those produced by other manufacturers as well.

What we found in all of these designs was typical: all of the safes that are detailed in our report can be opened with a variety of simple implements and techniques. These included bouncing and rapping, paperclips, wires, drinking straws, screwdrivers, and brass strips that can be purchased from a hardware store.

Overall, Tobias and his team believe their investigation found “manufacturers and consumers are deceived and misled into a false sense of security by electronic credentials, codes, and biometrics.”

Tobias’ full post details retailers selling the safes and their responses, what he considers “woefully inadequate” standards, and things gun safe owners should be aware. Read the more detailed account of what happened in 2010 to Ryan and the subsequent investigation here.

Read the whole of Security Lab’s review of the safes here.

(H/T: Wired)

Comments (128)

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  • colt1860
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 5:46pm

    I keep my guns out in the open on purpose. I teach children around to never touch a gun withou adult permission and supervision. Then I tell them how to properly handle a gun. I teach them how to safely pick up or grab a gun, and how to check if its loaded. I tell them to always assume the gun is loaded, to point it in a safe direction, and to never pull the trigger unless ready to shoot. I let them hold the gun for a minute so that their curiosity goes away. I tell them that guns are powerful tools and that if not used correctly they may become very dangerous very quick. I point out a few things that might happen if they carelessly ever decide to handle a gun. I tell them to never pick up a gun if at a friend’s house. And if the friend insists on handling a gun to leave immediately and tell an adult. They end up with a better understanding of guns, what guns do, what guns are for, and to not irresponsibly mess with guns. Education is the answer, not propaganda.

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    • BigJohn451
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:17pm

      I have been a Locksmith and Safe Tech for 20 years. What they show is very much true with these inexpensive models of safes. I have opened them by dropping or smacking with a hammer several times.

      If your going to get a safe spend a bit more and get one with a UL rated lock and a good reputation and it will keep out all but a professional for a reasonable time.

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    • Harvey1
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:48pm

      I have always done this with my children and grandchildren. Never had a problem with a ny of them.

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    • muffythetuffy
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:57pm

      I do no believe it nor should anyone with brains. Now we will have an EPA of gun safety. Gun safety and skills should be taught in school beside sex education.

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    • apbt55
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:51pm

      I keep mine out as well. What good is a gun in a safe when you need it. We have coyotes and raccoons, foxes and other varmint that like to each our chickens and piglets, especially since they are pastured. My six year old has her own 22LR and they know they do not touch the guns, that guns kill and they understand that. Kind of like any tool, better to teach them about it.

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    • chfields62
      Posted on July 29, 2012 at 12:55am

      If you teach your children proper gun safety and then take them out and let them shoot it, they won’t go anywhere near it again, problem solved! A gun makes a lot of noise, it kicks and is not a pleasant experience for a young kid. That will also take the mystery out of it as well, which once a kid knows what something is/does they usually don’t mess with it after that. We never had a gun safe in the house, the guns were kept in my fathers closet. They were always loaded, however, we were trained from the time shortly after we could walk, about proper safety. He took us out to the range and let us shoot them. I learned right then just how dangerous they could be, I never once went near the guns except when he was around.

      As a school kid, I was always the short skinny kid everybody picked on, I was chased home by bullies and even got beat up by the bullies a few times, no matter how much they harassed me or how much I hated them, I never even considered the thought of getting a gun from home and shooting those idiots. That is because I was taught right from wrong and that violence is the first resort of the incompetent and the last resort of the intelligent.

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    • PropstotheGast
      Posted on July 29, 2012 at 10:08am

      Its great that your kids are well schooled in gun safety. But its moronic for you to leave loaded guns unsecured in your home. Unless you live far from anyone else, have a good electronic security system that calls the police, and dont allow your children or wife to bring friends into the home….sure you can get away with it. But I guarantee you if you are asleep and you dont use a good security system that I could gain access to your unsecured firearm without ever waking you up. In my experience living in an urban environment, my tenants are most often robbed by someone who knows them and has casual access to their home. You would be a sitting duck for on of your kids friends who has a secret habit to feed or a girlfriend he wants to impress.

      If you are going to have loaded guns in the home, which I do, the minimum thing you need is a quick access gun safe in a hidden location. I would recommend a complete monitored alarm system and a gun safe bolted to something solid on top of that. I store my firearms inside a safe that is anchored to a concrete floor. I am four blocks from the police department and have a monitored security system which includes motion and perimeter sensors in addition to an internal sensor in the locked room where the gunsafe is. My children have been taught gun safety, but I enjoy friends and family and will not invite guests into a home with unsecured firearms.

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    • loriann12
      Posted on July 29, 2012 at 7:24pm

      I have a handicapped child, so I keep a trigger lock that requires a key, and the key somewhere else. It may make it more difficult for me when I need it, but it keeps my son safe.

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    • objectivetruth
      Posted on July 30, 2012 at 10:39am

      Yeah I grew up in a home and family just like that myself.Didn’t even have locks back then,DIdn’t need um.You were taught gun safety from birth.By the time I was this kids age I’d already been target shooting[assisted and watched].At the age of 4 he used a terrapin for teaching the more grisly purposes.What it could really do in a graphic manner.It stuck with me for life.Never had a problem with me from that stand point.We were taught not to let friends into the house without permission and to never let them into the gun room.Actually the younger you start training them, the less of a problem you may have later.[In all respects]

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    • its_time_to_arrest_our_government
      Posted on July 30, 2012 at 11:42am

      i got 3 kids and 2 grand kids and i do not lock up my guns i never have but they are all taught how to shoot as soon as they are able to hold a gun. my son shot his first gun at 4 education is the answer not locking them up when a crook breaks in what do you tell them to hold on while you get your gun out of your safe? your dead if that happens. unloaded guns are just a club. dead again! teach your kids dont hide them from them many kids die for not knowing what guns can do. we are very close to having to use our guns to protect ourselves from the tyrants this is our government. from my cold dead hand is a rallying cry of patriots. lock n load Americans its about to get bloody.

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  • scrudge
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 5:37pm

    Ah Yes….. NRA kicks un back side on gun control…. pee wee safes are for the liberals…. when toddlers pick up a 400 lb safe they get their feet crushed…. the way it should be… hay un don’t let the door hit your backside when you leave

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    • mtcountrygrl
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 6:03pm

      1. My toddlers have been taught what a gun looks like and that they are never, never to touch one.
      2. The ROOM where our guns are located is off limits to my kids. If they are never allowed in the room un-accompanied they don‘t get a chance to get into anything I don’t want them into in there.
      3. The guns are stored at a height they cannot reach even with a step stool (which would need to be brought from a whole other part of the house – think I would notice that).
      4. My children are not left un-supervised at the “toddler” age. They are also taught that if they want to leave the area they are playing in and go play somewhere else, they must ask me for permission. ie. “mom can I go play in my room now”. This works great for public place safety as my kids check with me before going anywhere!
      5. when my children get older other messures will be taken as they can handle it with maturity (but they will never be allowed in our bedroom without permission – that‘s mom and dad’s space).

      It’s called “parenting”, I wish more people would try it. Instead they try to kid proof their home, and just let their kids run wild. The problem with that is, what happens when you go to someone elses house and it doesn’t have gates and latches and safes. Or when you are in public somewhere and you turn around and your kid is gone. If you don’t practice these things at home, toddlers will not suddenly start doing them somewhere else.

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    • Bum thrower
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 6:41pm

      All this vido shows is ‘junior safe crackers’ in training; I took the ‘novelty’ outta guns; never had an issue with my boys or girl. Knew what the ywre; no novlety; knew what they were for.

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  • mikenleeds
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 5:34pm

    that is so fake,stage , those kids has been taught the combos. or taught how to pick them or maybe the boxes are just rigged to pop open , i have one of those safes and i just spent a hour trying to pick it and guessing combos and noting at all ,
    this is just more liberal bull crap

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    • The0bserver
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 6:25pm

      You saw the video. The kids did not use combinations to open the safes. Now the manufacturer will have to reengineer the safes. Nothing wrong with that.

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    • BrotherWill
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:03pm

      @Theobserver, Uhhh..yeah, the kids did use a combo to open one of the safes. Way to OBSERVE. Now do us all a favor and go make a new account and call yourself, unobservant.

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  • christos
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 5:06pm

    More Propaganda bias for the UN global gun treaty,,these fools want N.W.O. we know this +JESUS+GOD+ already told us everything the anti +CHRIST+ would do,dividing the world in 10 sections also? And the anti +CHRIST+ taking over 7 sections,thank +JESUS+GOD+ we will be “caught up/raptured out” before the 7 years of Tribulation,there is no sin +JESUS+ will not forgive you for,ask +HIM+ confess all of your sin to +HIM+ & ask +HIM+ into your heart today,you do not want to be left behind.

    christos  
    • commonsensefreethinker1
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 5:30pm

      First of all you have to educate kids about guns ..if they spent half the time that they taught these kids on how to pick a gun safe they would know far well of the consequences of doing so. Second if you have the handgun hidden in a place where they will never find it safes are not needed ..and the extra 3 or 4 seconds it takes to open the safe could be your last. My sons know that guns are dangerous just as my dad taught me they know to respect the firearm as do I. This is a totally stupid excuse for ignorance!

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    • VoteBushIn12
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 5:35pm

      You are what I +FIND+ scary with the +WORLD+. Stop being so +PARANOID+ and stop getting your worldly knowledge from a +BOOK+ that wasn’t written 2,000 years ago by +CAVEMEN+ you blithering +IDIOT+

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    • mdman
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 5:35pm

      WTF is that?

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    • Disgusted_in_CT
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 5:38pm

      Hey in case you missed it, the un agenda 21 has not been voted in.
      The U.S. wanted more time.
      Gues ob knew they signed it, that would be his death toll and every other single democrat in office.

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    • commonsensefreethinker1
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 5:50pm

      WOW! I think CHRISTOS is going off the deep end… break out the straight jacket we have a live one!

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    • christos
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 6:59pm

      To COMMON – Yeah I’m alive,verses Spiritually deceased,the devil/non believers never have a defense/truth only an excuse not to Believe in +JESUS+GOD+ people who do not Believe in +JESUS+ spend their whole life fighting something they don’t Believe in makes cents eegh/ Your words will come back to you,,TA You are void of Spiritual Authority when you have made yourself master rather that +GOD+,,,

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    • RobbieTLHughie
      Posted on July 29, 2012 at 10:45am

      If there was one thing Jesus, savior of mankind loved, it was guns? Am I right guys? Heh.

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  • TimM
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 5:06pm

    Seriously? Are you kidding me? This is what passes for research these days. Pathetic!

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    • commonsensefreethinker1
      Posted on July 31, 2012 at 10:35am

      @CHRISTOS

      Oh, actually I don’t fight and never will with spiritual non sense as it would be a total waste of “MY” time, and who is the devil anyway? oh, it was made by man as the creator of “evil” that came from the “depths” of the earth, so take the d from it and add it to evil what’s that spell “DEVIL” So the opposite of evil is good right? obviously god is good with just one o. There a simple lesson on how words are made. But, I suppose you think our words came from god too.

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  • matt1776
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 5:03pm

    If you don’t bolt your safe to the floor, you aren’t protecting your valuables anyway. Anything can be opened giving enough time. I guess people are stupid and buying a “safe” substitutes for common sense.

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    • Slipstick
      Posted on July 30, 2012 at 10:32am

      Agreed. If the safe isn’t fastened down, all the bad guy has to do is cart it off to a quiet place and THEN open it. So many ignorant people on this planet…

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  • Hillbillybone
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:51pm

    And I can unlock your car doors with a tennis ball and hack your bank accounts with the remains…..

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    • The0bserver
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 6:26pm

      Tennis ball thing is a hoax. Mythbusters busted that one.

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    • BrotherWill
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:04pm

      Jesus H. Observer. Your name is really ironic. Uhhh the guy was being sarcastic. Now lets change your name to Cpt. Obvious.

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  • LeadNotFollow
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:51pm

    …
    How many times was this kid shown exactly how to get the safes open, and how many rehearsals, before the video was made?

    More propaganda for gun control laws, and more reasons to buy a Liberty Safe. One of Glenn’s sponsors.

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    • LIBSALWAYSLIE
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 5:18pm

      Duh, of course the kids were shown what to do. The point is still valid, they were showing how easy it is to open these unsafe,“safes” The point of the video is easy to understand if you try.

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    • The0bserver
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 6:28pm

      The point is that the safes were opened without knowing the combination or having a key. That shouldn’t be.

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 7:59pm

      The point is, the police officer’s 3 year old DID open a gun safe and got killed. Are you forgetting that part of the story?

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  • Arshloch
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:49pm

    These are not ‘researchers’, they are rabble rousers.

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  • freedomisasfreedomdoes
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:39pm

    My nephew who is now 3, is amazingly intelligent. I believe this! He was when he was 2! Amazing!

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  • drphil69
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:28pm

    If you buy a cheap safe, you are an idiot.

    Where did they get the safes? Walmart?

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  • marcus_arealius
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:22pm

    This is a case of ‘Hollywood Syndrome’ – if it looks good, it must be good. And the corollary ‘If it looks mean and dangerous, it must be’.

    Does anyone test anything anymore? Nope. Not products, not software, not presidential candidates.

    Garbage is garbage even if it looks and sounds cool.

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  • Kupo
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:09pm

    Guns in a house with children have been proven to be far safer than many other common, and allegedly benign and innocuous, household items. Namely, swimming pools. Swimming pools kill far more children on average than guns do. For some reason swimming pools don’t get nearly the same amount of attention.

    Hmmm…I wonder why that is.

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    • MEANS2RESIST
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:23pm

      Such BS, these little rinky dink safes are useless anyhow…theres no way anyone witthout the combo can get in my REAL heavy duty safe…More anti-gun propaganda.

      Whats with you BLAZE, going anti 2nd amendment on us?

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    • IronSights
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:26pm

      Nobody has ever over thrown a government with a swimming pool ;)

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    • The Gooch
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:39pm

      IronSights
      I like the cut of your jib. Sometimes the obvious escapes us in general.

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    • MEANS2RESIST
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:44pm

      haha the blaze censored r in k y d i n kk

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    • Slipstick
      Posted on July 30, 2012 at 10:37am

      The time my kid got into the room where my guns were locked up, she got into the cleaning chemicals I had in the same cabinet. Fortunately, the one she tasted was nasty and almost the least poisonous. Big scare, unhappy child, but all well in the end. I taught all my children gun safety. The most dangerous individual in the house was Hoplophobe Mom…

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  • KevINtampa
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:02pm

    As always buyer beware.

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    • 000degrees
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:12pm

      I saw it on the internet…..it must be true.
      Teach your kids….and stay the hell away from the 2nd amendment…..

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  • MormonPiper
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:00pm

    Am I the only one that thinks this vid looks as if the “investigator” found the defects in design, then well-coached the kid to act on that defect.

    Noticed all the locking mechanisms are electronic. That should be a hint that chinese electronic device is rubbish. Does that surprise anyone?

    I have an old mining company payroll safe made in 1908, I barely got moved with a 5-ton 6×6, and a bobcat – takes 2 separate keys, and a 6-set combination dial. Come crack it kiddo, it’s all yours if you get it open. I’ll even deliver it.

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    • LIBSALWAYSLIE
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:28pm

      agreed, the children were shown what to do, but the point of the video is still valid. These so called “safes” are not safe at all, and should be recalled by the manufacturer and repaired or replaced at no cost to the consumer.

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    • The0bserver
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 6:23pm

      The point is that the 3 year old does not need a combination or a key. Poor engineering.

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  • ronin_6
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:00pm

    My mom kept a .38 on her night stand at night. I have no idea where it was hid during the day. I know it wasn’t in the nightstand cause the one time I looked in there to try and find it I got caught and my bottom warmed. Was sent to bed without dinner and never looked for it again. Trigger locks and securing your firearms are good ideas. Allowing your children to safely satisfy their curiosity and teaching them not to play with guns is best.
    The worst safety offenders, most gun obsessed individuals I know are those that were denied access to any firearm growing up. I guess its a matter of ‘The forbidden fruit is the sweetest’.

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  • The Gooch
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 3:54pm

    Facts matter. If these products are indeed this slipshod, the public should be informed. FIre the man? He deserves a commendation, but, then again, I don’t think like an authoritarian. How is this man not protected by whistleblower law(s)?
    This isn’t an R or D, right or left issue; this is an honesty issue.

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    • Quagmir
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 5:40pm

      “He deserves a commendation”

      Have you even tried to reproduce his results as a grown person? You believing the internet which could very well be a fake. Not saying it is or is not but you have no more proof after watching this video then you did prior, just a little more information.

      When I see Ted Nuggent open the safes in the same manor, I will then trust the sorce of information. I just did all but toss one of my safes off the roof and couldnt get it to open. It was like the ones shown but used for cash and not my handguns. Either I am not as smarts as a 3 Y/O or I got lucky on a cheap buy or I dont have an agenda with my tests.

      Someone please say if they have tried this and got it to actually work.

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    • The Gooch
      Posted on July 29, 2012 at 12:36pm

      Note I did type “If….” I am not so naive is to believe everything I hear or see on the Internet; that would be against my contrarian bent.

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  • 762x51
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 3:44pm

    My children are all grown and gone so no threat of injury here but my 900lb Liberty Safe is still bolted to the concrete floor of my basement. A toddler could not even reach the lock mechanism much less open it. Anyone knowledgeable about security will tell you a safe has to be bolted down to be effective

    Cheesy crap is cheesy crap, whether it is a safe or a car or any other product.

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  • JUSTANOTHEROPINION
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 3:33pm

    Private Companies looking out for private citizens is the American way to protect us from profit before safety companies.

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  • Uechi
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 3:30pm

    Good gun safes don’t open up if dropped. You get what you pay for. Buy crap you get crap.

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  • qpwillie
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 3:29pm

    How times have changed! I grew up with the shotgun and the rifle propped in the corner in the living room. So did everybody I knew. We were told “Don’t touch the guns.” so we didn’t touch the guns.

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    • FREEDOMoverFEAR
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 3:36pm

      There’s always loaded guns around my house. My four year old knows not to touch them. I grew up in a house with loaded guns everywhere too. My brother and I would sometimes play with them when my parents were gone but we always unloaded them and still treated them as if they were loaded. Teach responsibility and good gun control.

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    • battles
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:02pm

      I have heard of this being done by simply slapping the top of that kind of safe, but my button encoded safe will no crack so easily.

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    • battles
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:07pm

      I also had guns everywhere around me in the house. I used to handle them all the time but was forbidden to load a gun in the house until I became a teenager. Then we only kept the clips loaded but not chambered. Only takes a second to chamber a round and the sound will definitely strike fear into anyone who doesn’t belong there.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:28pm

      So QP you think Mitt is going to keep your guns safe?

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    • yathink
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 5:02pm

      These safes are cheap crap. QP both my girls were raised around guns, learned to safely handle them and fire them. Any gun own that allows there children to toss a gun safe around. Well I just wonder how they ever got them potty trained.

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    • stumpy68
      Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:34pm

      When i was a kid my grand father took his 12gauge
      outside loaded it said to me watch pointed it at a small tree and pulled the
      trigger then told me to never touch one of his guns unless he was with me
      his advice stuck.

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  • Jenny Lind
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 3:20pm

    Never understood small gun safes. Too easy to steal.They need to be to heavy to lift, period. So horribly sorry this family learned the hard way their gun safe was useless. Although I had a child who learned by age three to stack stuff and climb, aren’t most gun cases supposed to be out of reach? That is a real qustion, I am not sure of the laws, although I plan to be very familiar shortly.

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  • burnteye86
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 3:20pm

    This kids going to have a career as a safe *******. Sorry, I didn’t mean to use the C word.

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  • Smokey_Bojangles
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 3:12pm

    A Gun in a safe is as useful as a condom in the drug store when the time you need one arrives.You wish you had one in your pocket.

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  • BIgWheeler
    Posted on July 28, 2012 at 3:11pm

    My gun safe is 300+ lbs. Any 3 year-old that can lift it and drop it on the floor is welcome to help himself to anything inside.

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