Return of ‘Death Panels’? Obama to Enact End-of-Life Planning for Medicare
- Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:40pm by
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After public outcry over “death panels” forced Democrats to drop their proposed end-of-life planning from the health care overhaul legislation, the Obama administration is pressing forward to enact the same measures by bureaucratic regulations. The new regulations are set take effect starting Jan. 1, the New York Times reports.
Under the new policy, outlined in a Medicare regulation, the government will pay doctors who advise patients on options for end-of-life care, which may include advance directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment.
Congressional supporters of the new policy, though pleased, have kept quiet. They fear provoking another furor like the one in 2009 when Republicans seized on the idea of end-of-life counseling to argue that the Democrats’ bill would allow the government to cut off care for the critically ill.
The final version of the health care legislation, signed into law by President Obama in March, authorized Medicare coverage of yearly physical examinations, or wellness visits. The new rule says Medicare will cover “voluntary advance care planning,” to discuss end-of-life treatment, as part of the annual visit.
Under the rule, doctors can provide information to patients on how to prepare an “advance directive,” stating how aggressively they wish to be treated if they are so sick that they cannot make health care decisions for themselves.
While the new law does not mention advance care planning, the Obama administration has been able to achieve its policy goal through the regulation-writing process, a strategy that could become more prevalent in the next two years as the president deals with a strengthened Republican opposition in Congress.
Despite the political firestorm of controversy surrounding such end-of-life planning, the Obama administration insists that research supports its decision to move forward with the controversial measure. “Advance care planning improves end-of-life care and patient and family satisfaction and reduces stress, anxiety and depression in surviving relatives,” the administration’s preamble to the Medicare regulation reads, quoting research from the British Medical Journal.
Several Democratic members of Congress, led by Representative Earl Blumenauer of Oregon and Senator John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia, had urged the administration to cover end-of-life planning as a service offered under the Medicare wellness benefit. A national organization of hospice care providers made the same recommendation.
Mr. Blumenauer, the author of the original end-of-life proposal, praised the rule as “a step in the right direction.”
“It will give people more control over the care they receive,” Mr. Blumenauer said in an interview. “It means that doctors and patients can have these conversations in the normal course of business, as part of our health care routine, not as something put off until we are forced to do it.”
After learning of the administration’s decision, Mr. Blumenauer’s office celebrated “a quiet victory,” but urged supporters not to crow about it.
Meanwhile, opponents of the measure, including Elizabeth D. Wickham, executive director of a pro-life Christian advocacy group told the Times she was concerned the so-called “end-of-life counseling” would actually encourage patients to forgo or curtail life-saving care.
“The infamous Section 1233 is still alive and kicking,” Wickham said. “Patients will lose the ability to control treatments at the end of life.”
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ensemble
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:15pmThey want to raise the federal death tax and pay doctors to have conversations about forgoing health care. First of all, doctors and patients have conversations for free, so why pay the doctors with federal funds? Secondly, will doctors benefit from the nudge to forgo health care (while they get paid for the nudge) in order for the federal government to steal money from those who die? There seems like a quid pro quo going on somewhere in the future. Creepy.
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:20pmHeaven is sounding sweeter all the time
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 8:50pmWhen was the last time you had a conversation with your doctor, in his professional medical capacity, that someone–you, the government, an insurance company–did not pay a medical bill for?
Report Post »always watching
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 10:05am“When was the last time you had a conversation with your doctor, in his professional medical capacity, that someone–you, the government, an insurance company–did not pay a medical bill for?”
Lloyd, Lloyd, Lloyd…
Report Post »All of my “conversations” with my physicians occur during my office visits. As I pay for the visits, I know that MY interests are protected.
When THE STATE begins to pay doctors an “extra” 50-100 bucks/patient for end-of-life “counseling”, when does the scale begin to slide towards THE STATES interests instead of my own? How long before we start seeing end-of-life “counseling” as part of a 6 year olds annual physical? (and before you pooh pooh that, have you seen anything restricting when this “advice” is given besides “annnually”?) With all of the medicare fraud out there, I’m sure that this little “loophole” will be fully exploited.
JROCCOD
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:14pmWhen this issue came up during the debate before the bill was passed, we were told we are crazy to believe such “nonsense”. This is scary stuff. Hey Chris Mathhews hows that chill down you leg working out for ya now???? I got a chill up my spine reading this. Its like a Boris Karloff movie. Very scary
Report Post »taebaggranny
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:39pmI truely hope that Chris Matthews realizes that He will one day be old and sick.. So should all of you young people..I can remember when ther were ads on the radio and tv about how you couldn’t put a price on a life..Well, now it appears that the government can.. These ads were running in the 40′s, 50‘s and 60’s. MY how the times have changed..I wonder if Oblamer will make his Illegal aunt go for death counseling??
Report Post »wash1776
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:09pmObama has lied about everything since before he took office and still has been lieing every day since he took office. So, why would anyone have believed him about this. I have said more than once on the blaze that that tax bill that went through is him trying to fool people that he is moderating somewhat. NO HE IS NOT1 This is another example of how little respect he has for the elderly and this country. They have not had an social security increases in 3 years. If he was trying to cut spending, that might have some validity to it. But, he is taking away from the elderly there too while he blows money on everything else. This man has no concern for our elderly nor for this country. HE IS A RADICAL, PROGRESSIVE, LIBERAL, COMMUNIST and cares about no one but himself and his ambition to destroy this country. HE NEEDS TO GO IN 2012. A LEOPARD DOESN’T CHANGE HIS SPOTS AND NEITHER DOES A TRAITOR.
Report Post »woodsdog
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 3:05pmMy daughter is battling breast cancer. Her cancer med costs $600 month through medicare, the FDA took away her pain killer (darvocet) which is less likely to kill anybody then Chantix. Now she has to read that she has to plan her own demise???? Does anyone commenting here realize how heartless and cruel this is for her and me??? It’s obvious – if he can’t get congress to pass something, he’ll have his toadies in the various departments take care of it. Someone commented he should be impeached. He should – and take all the left-wingers and progressives with him. I don‘t want to live Logan’s Run.
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:13pmUnder the new policy, outlined in a Medicare regulation, the government will pay doctors who advise patients on options for end-of-life care, which may include advance directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment.
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So how will that conversation go ?
Gramma : Doctor, I have a little pain in my knees. Can you give me some pain-killers ?
Doctor : It says here that you had a fever 3 weeks ago and you were prescribed medication for that ?
Gramma : yes
Doctor : then 2 months ago you had pain in your shoulder
Gramma : yes, I tripped on the treadmill..
Doctor : Now look here Mrs Robinson, you are a 75 yr old widow and have had a bad knee, a bad shoulder and you have had high fever 2 times in the last 3 years. Also you live alone, your kids are all gone and you don’t work.
Have you considered attending the end-of-life orientation program at our Moochellatte Institute ?
Gramma : I wanna live doctor, I am active and healthy, independent and volunteer at my local church
Doctor : Thats why you need to get on the program. You are of no use to anyone. You are 75. Soon you will be 76. If we start you now, by the end of the year, you might eat your own gun and save our budget.
Gramma : But I DO NOT WANT TO DIE
Doctor : Now look here old woman, Hussain wants you to die, so you will die . You will die so we have budget for all the illegals and their anchor babies . You are a drain on our resources, they are the future .
So do you like Potassium Chloride or you prefer high doses of insulin ? You have 2 hours .
Would you like to drive yourself to the Moochellatte Institute or you want someone to pick you up ?
Gramma : I just wanna go home
Doctor : too late little lady
Report Post »Reagan/DeMint.deciple
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:37pmNice try CHEEZE … It’s worse..
Report Post »bigbud
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:49pmGeorge Bernard Shaw would be proud.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 8:56pmYou are so wrong – that is not even near the conservation and shame on you for spreading rumors that are not true!! Get educated.
Report Post »NancyBee
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 10:46pmThat’s exactly how the conversation will go!
Report Post »docvet
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:13pmsoylent green, anyone?
Report Post »G.W. Dobbs
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 3:16pmI give up; I am considered “old” by both age (72) and fulfilment of God’s promise to me for Long Life for Honoring my Parents. I am NON-PRODUCTIVE. I have multiple Health Issues which prevent working or even travel to see my children. I told the LORD, I am ready to come to you NOW but I will NOT disobey HIM by taking my own life. I desire my HEAVENLY life with God and anticipate the Joy of HIS GLORY that HE has for those who accept Him 1Cor.15:1-4 on Earth. I have. I believe. I confess. I repented. I Thank Him. I PRAISE HIM. And this SORRY WORLD is turning from Yah
Report Post »and is coming into His WRATH and CONDEMNATION. Physical Death will be a REWARD.
Deanna in Missouri
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:12pmI would seriously like to ask someone this question that I have: Our government is supposed to be designed to run off the Will of the People..Am I correct? Ok then the people spoke out loud…very loud…about the end of life clause in the Health Bill , so loud in fact that it was pulled out. Now why is it they are putting it back in the mix a few months later, through another way…even though the people have spoken? I keep seeing this though it be Amnesty, EPA, Taxes…you name it. Is this administration rogue? Or have I been sleeping the past several years and just am now noticing that is has almost gotten to the point that they need to be physically taken out of the places of power by the people.
Report Post »ttommy65
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:37pmSilly rabbit, the elite ruling class in DC will take good care of you. The American people need to be led only by the intelligence of the socialist democrats aka….progressives…
Report Post »wilshar97
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:05pmAnd instead of a rifle behind EVERY blade of grass,the sheep continue to graze and sing——TURN THE OTHER CHEEK,WAIT UNTILL 2012!!!!! The bastards in WASHINGTON are not the only GROUP that does not GET IT!!!!!!
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 8:53pmDeanna – everyone has end of life care – this is just you and your doctor discussing a living will and what you want to be done to keep you alive when you are brain dead – the only difference is that now the doctor can get paid by Medicare to have that conference with you and your family. That’s all it is – get educated lady both by the law and the Bible.
Report Post »http://maboulette.wordpress.com
beebacksoon
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:22pmYour question(s) may have been rhetorical, however, this administration STILL thinks We The People will forget, and be distracted by whatever they throw into the mainstream (STATE) media. We don’t forget. We have had it with the mafia-like tactics Obama and this administration perform on a daily basis to get what they want to transform America into a socialist country. We will continue to be on their rear ends from here on out. I, for one, will fight to my dying breath (and without the help of my “caring” doctor, thank you very much!), to restore this country!
Report Post »Paleo Archer
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:11pmWell someone find Micheal J. Fox and ask him, what he thinks? Obama Lied…Grandma will die!
Report Post »REETZBEE
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:22pmWhat about David Axelrod? Doesn’t he have a mentally disabled daughter who will fall under this category when she gets older?
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:28pmI see a big black market for healthcare in this country coming soon. … people who will want to stay “off the grid” when it come to those centrialized health records .. remember people the government is going to digitize and organize your health records.
Report Post »Doris
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 5:16pmIm sure Axelrods daughter will be exempt.I think this is another travesty. Why cannot our politicos just be honest.We will just have to deal with it.
Report Post »Thighmaster
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:11pmIt would be even more suspicious if the death tax were to go into effect, say at 35% or more, but the Repelicans would never allow that in a bill.. OOPS!
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:09pmThis is a real tragedy.
“Brave New World,“ ”Soilient Green”, were actually prophetic. They’re just killing off the inconvenient.
Report Post »Into The Night
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:08pmPoliticians will do anything…including murder!
http://studios.amazon.com/movies/2903
Report Post »wilshar97
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:28pmAdd your comments
Report Post »BigMuddy
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:07pmThe regulatory class has been developed and empowered, but answers to no one.
Report Post »Thighmaster
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:03pmAnd who among you think that when Osama Obama is out of office the ones who replace him won’t make excuses for why they have to keep all the spoils he has taken for them? This is how the government works, don’t fool yourself…. When the new congress starts so will the excuses..
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:14pmI think Mike Pence is the ONLY one I trust to repeal all the power gathered by obama at this point…
http://www.thehotjoints.com/2010/09/27/video-mike-pence-speaks-at-hillsdale-college/
Report Post »REETZBEE
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:59pmThis administration is acting like it’s a win win for them in 2012. They haven’t slowed down one bit on their NWO agenda. God only knows what’s going to happen to the U.S. over the next two years. Vann Jones and clan are just itching for a revolution but I wonder if they will actually will be around to witness it? Our nation has a history of target assassinations.
Report Post »Oldphoto678
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:08amYes we do, and Palin needs to remember that.
Report Post »beebacksoon
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 7:48pmWith all the questionable voter fraud Nov 2, 2010, I would not be surprised if Obama DID win a 2nd term because his union buddies rigged voting machines and/or had the dead resurrected just in time to vote – oh, and don’t forget all the ballots that will, once again, be HAND DELIVERED to prisons. And ballots to ILLEGAL immigrants? Who the hell is going to check each and every one of THOSE votes?
Report Post »BHO’s administration has been working on the how tos since Nov 2. If his reelection comes to pass, I hope to God a thorough investigation is done, and WITHOUT ERIC HOLDER! If he IS reelected, we are in for Hell Raiser, Part II !!!! God is our only hope!
SnapTie
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:56pmThis the EPA,Homeland security now to install 200,000 camera in cities across the country. Will be hiring 25,000 more Customs and Border patrol agents to monitor your movement. Nappy said she wants added security at Schools,Malls,Hotels,Bus stations,Train depots and anywhere people congregate.
Report Post »ChiRho4Life
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 9:31pmThis will (if it doesn’t already) include churches and synagogues, but i bet it *won’t* include mosques, the one place where there really needs to be cameras.
Report Post »EP46
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 5:24am@CHIRO4LIFE
Your mention of Mosques reminded me of another Provision in the Health Care Bill,,,certain RELIGIOUS groups do not have to purchase insurance, of course they will be treated if they need it just like illegals. But get this:
You will not be forced to buy insurance and you will not be fined if:
YOUR RELIGION IS ISLAM….because they believe that is a form of gambling
So WE WILL PAY for all MUSLIMS
Report Post »This is under Exemptions From Individual Responsibility Requirements
JohnQTaxpayer
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:56pmThere is 32.7 trillion dollars of “private wealth” held by the citizens of the USA.
This is not a health care bill; it is a mechanism for an out of control government to steal money from the sick and dying.
“You” are Mr. Smith how would you answer the questions?
An end of life conversation, with your government
Hello Mr. Smith you are xx old and you have a terminal disease. You have also used up your allotted “public health care dollars” You know everyone has a maximum amount of money for the care that the government pays for.
Good news for you Mr. Smith you still own your house and a savings account, if you were sign over the house to ACORN and you savings to the public health care agency, we would try to keep you alive for a longer time period. If you have no money we show you have a life insurance policy, you could just list ACORN as the beneficiary.
Now you do realize no one lives forever, but with the money and your home we will help you live as long as we possibly can. If you do not wish to make these gifts, we have had some success with pain killers to help you transition into the great beyond. Here is the number for hospice.
ACORN will place the poor in your house to help the diversity of the neighborhood after you are gone. Any left over money will be used to help others to make good end of life decisions just like you.
Reader prove this wrong
John Q Taxpayer
Report Post »PeachyinGA
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:38amExactly what crossed my mind when I heard the news they are sneaking this back into Obamacare. It is a package deal. They just passed the theft of 35% death tax. Now they can get their hands on that faster buy paying doctors to read the govt-approved document to patients. This way they’ll understand it is kinder to just die faster. It is all for the good of our country which is deeply in debt!
Report Post »puck30
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:52pmWell I can’t wait for ABC News to start finding all those people who will say while wearing an Obama t-shirt. “I’m unpluging myself for the good of the government”.
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 7:07pmNew slogan for medicare ;
Report Post »If you like your mortician, you can keep your mortician
muriel395
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:52pmOH MY! Are you serious! Thease people can’t be serious! They are really getting scary now! I just pray for our country and hope 2012 brings us happier times. Happy New Years!
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:51pmRepeal your ASS off, John Boehner!!
Report Post »God bless and good luck, 112th Congress!
Dustyluv
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:03pmPut you faith in them all you want. They are just going to kick the can down the road too. The seanrio is this. Hyperinflation hits, the government stops giving money to Welfare Recipients and Union Pension Funds because they can’t. There will be a mass revolt, burning down all the major cities in the East. After they get tired of burning and they get shot and killed then there will either be a Military coup or some sort of reckoning where we can restore the Republic from the ashes.
They will try to lay it at the feet of the Conservatives, but it won’t work.
Report Post »Get your Ark ready, it is going to get bumpy whn the dollar crashes my friends…
NancyBee
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 10:40pmYes! Yes!
Report Post »parmajohn
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:51pmWho ever thought The Congress would become Irrevelant? And what we wanted wouldn”t matter….Oh Yea Glen Beck
Report Post »diesel49
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:50pmIs this the HOPE AND CHANGE this idiot was elected to carry out, I don’t think so. How about sending him an end of term directive, no second term and the end of the first early, stay on vacation
Report Post »ensemble
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:49pmOnce again shoving something through in dishonest ways that the citizens rejected and the politicians removed. It is disgraceful how this administration gets things through by hook or crook. Also, nothing is stopping patients and doctors from having this conversation about health care options including the decision for forgo care. The problem with this is that the government will pay doctors for leading patients into this decision. It is the payment that is the problem. A converstation could be had for free, why bribe and pay doctors to nudge patients off of medical care? That is creepy. More money from the government for lessening your patient base.
Report Post »DSTSS2010
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:22pmI wonder, will the doctors be instructed to recommend limited care options to Republicans while offering Democrats all available resources? That’s one way to get rid of some of those pesky Republicans, Euthanasia Centers coming to your neighborhood! Remember “Soylent Green”!
Report Post »Reagan/DeMint.deciple
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:33pmYep, ala the slaughter rule .. ?????
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:55pmSoylent green yes, I do believe it’s coming to that. It may be difficult to get the vegans on board though…We gotta stop this before it starts!
Report Post »APatriotFirst
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 7:13pmThank goodness I get my surgery tomorrow. And yes, I have discussed what to do …IF….with doctor and family. It was my dicision. Not some panel that may decide that my age, 64, makes me non productive anymore. I put it in writing and my family undertands. At 64, I am not ready to sit in a corner [hospice] and just die. But it is MY decision to make, not any one elses.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 9:58pmApatriotfirst, we are hoping your surgery goes well.
Report Post »OhMyGosh
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 10:40amWhat I’m worried about is IF the Obamacare is Not Repealed what kind of AGE care directives will it have in it? Will the government stop giving Good healthcare to the elderly? How much of thier benefits will be denied because of age? I believe obama thinks after a certain age if you don’t have money your life is not worth saving, and medicare should not be responsible for you anymore. How many people will die because thier benefits stopped paying for the healthcare they require?
I think you will see an age limit on transplants, bi-passes and other heart surgeries, rehab for stroke patient. Many, many healthcare options we see as normal care taken away because of age,even down to heart, blood pressure, diabetes, and other daily prescriptions.
Mr obama is only beginning, he is warming up, setting the stage. He has no soul, he is ruthless.
The bible says the Anti Christ will reign for 6 years. If obama is the Anti Christ he will get re-elected. Has anyone thought about him being the Anti Christ? I haven’t seen any chat about that…
Report Post »bigbud
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:49pmSara ! Sara ! I wonder where she is.
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:48pmDon’t worry about the laws that the Congress passes, the Executive branch will just have the bureaucrats that work in the departments in that branch set their own rules. The FCC, the EPA, the DOA, and now Medicare. We might as well shut Congress down. The Executive branch is going to do what it wants.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:24pmCongress needs to start defunding those agencies now .. or Congress will become totally inconsequential before 2012.
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:48pmBy using Presidential Directive, Agency ruling and Czar dictatorship, he has made the congress a completely USELESS arm of our Government. The ONLY chance We the People have is that the new Republican (thank GOD) congress can choose NOT to fund these programs.
Report Post »Oh wait. Only 1/3 of the $900 Billion bailout has been spent.
WHO has control of THAT money….hmm….
StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:03pmI just thought of another hope We the People have….our state Governors, and scary as it is to happen, the calling of a Continental Congress,
God help us all.
Report Post »Deanna in Missouri
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:15pmStMichelob
Report Post »What is a continental congress?
StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:40pmNot 100% sure on EVERYTHING involved, but a Continental Congress can be called by 3/4ths of the states’ Governors to review the Constitution. It was talked about by Glenn about a year ago, and the scary thing about it is ANY of the amendments can be repealed, including the second, and is a last-ditch effort to saving the Republic.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {cat folk art}
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:28pm@StMichelob
Indeed the calling is at the same time one of the greatest and scariest of means for the changing of the Constitution; I would not put Obama to try some kind of shenanigans past the level of Congress now being made irrelevant in order to do the old roman style of ‘bread and circuses’ in letting us feel we still have a saying in matters when we are long past that stage.
Yet we will take back the country, step by step.
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:36pmI have a crzy idea. How ’bout a constitutional amendment that states any act that puts a law into effect, must first be ratified by Congress, be it Presidential Decree, Agency enactment, or ANY such law not having first gone through the Bill process as prescribed by the Constitution?
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:47pmMy bad. Just read article V of The Constitution, and a Continental Congress can be called by the STATE LEGISLATURES of 2/3rds of the several states.
Report Post »In case anyone is interrested,
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Article5
BTW, can ANYONE show me where it says in The Constitution, Article II, that the President has authority to make “Presidental Directives”?
mrclean
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 6:43pmAnyone interested, which should be everyone, check out http://www.cc2009.us
This covers the Continental Congress held in Nov. 2009 and is quite interesting.
Reading some of these posts, it sounds like no one knows about this event.
http://www.cc2009.us
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 7:07pmThat was not a “true” Continental Congress as prescribed by the Constitution, but rather an organization of representatives to discuss peacable, CONSTITUTIONAL means to restore the Constitution and stop the trainwreck that is current government. It IS a good read to see what was discussed and what solutions were offered though, and hopefully there are enough “re-founders” to set this AWESOME Nation back on the right trck.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 8:48pmIf that is going to be your grounds for impeachment then it is never going to happen. You have no idea what impeachment is, how it happens, what a President has do to be impeach. You people are so uneducated it amazes me! http://maboulette.wordpress.com
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 9:10pmBut if you want my “ignorant ass’ as you ******** are sworn to say, give you a basis, check this out, yo.
Report Post »http://www.constitution.org/cmt/high_crimes.htm
LetFreedomLive
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:47pmI agree! But I think that the NWO people won’t allow it! Praying for our country, and our world
Report Post »taebaggranny
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:55pmNew prayer for obama: Psalms 109: v8 King David prayed this when he faced his enemies..And Obama is the enemy of the United States of America!! Every thing he and his band of commie czars do is aimed to destroy us.
Report Post »RobertCA
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:56pm@ TAEBAGGRANNY
Report Post »You‘re right he’s surrounded by the most dangerous minds out there .
Our brave troops are fighting the enemy overseas but the most dangerous enemies are hidden in DC .
WHITE LOTUS2x
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 9:50pmSad but true Dueteronomy. Iv seen it and it wasnt pretty. I dont think I could pull the plug. icant say that would be rite. I think Icould handle wiyh a few I see in the news though.
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:44pmThis man HAS to be impeached as soon as the new congress finishes reading the Constitution.
cheezwhiz
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:18pmNot only that, all the communications between Sunstein, Holdren and Ezekiel Emmanuel had with the Hussain MUST be made public. NOW
Ironmaan
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:19pmPrez Obama is a liar plain and simple. Nothing the man says can be believed. This is just one glaring example. Over and over again what he says and what happens are two completely different things. The core of the issue is that he is anti-american. He is destroying everything that made this country the superpower it is/was. He put himself on the map by telling people he would give them things they didn’t earn and it is a tactic he continues to use. He is an immoral thief. http://guerillatics.com
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:23pmSpecifically on what grounds? Providing information on preparing a living will is a bit less harsh than dumping peole from transplant lists who will die as a result like they do here in Az. How many of you want to end your life drooling and wearing a diaper when you are old and demented because the state is forcing your heart to keep beating using all measures available even though you no longer have any thoughts or memories but your nerves still communicate pain signals to the brain. It’s one thing to be pro life but to delay the natural process of death with technology is different than killing a child in the womb. People should be allowed to die with dignity not forced onto ventilators, tube feedings and pumped with drugs because the state or a selfish family member will not let them to die peacefully.
MiketheTrucker
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:28pmThis is exactly what we can expect for the next two years. They no longer have the power to ram tyrannical legislation through the normal process, so they will resort to using numerous bureaus to get what they want.
It will be up to republicans to “dismantle” their crap everywhere they can, and when we sweep the rest of this ilk out in 2012, we MUST DESTROY everything they’ve built. If we don’t they it will be there for them to use in the future.
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:30pmTreason. Sedition. Failure to uphold the Constitution.
Reagan/DeMint.deciple
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:30pmThis is the way it is with liars, as soon as the heat subsides, they sneak in and ram the bill through or discarded parts of it, and through the back door even.. I can’t take this administration.. I’m calling ALL my reps and complaining once again… This isn’t over by a long shot for me.. Hope everyone joins in..
Report Post »HEY CHRIS MATTHEWS, THESE ARE THE DEATH PANELS THAT SARAH WAS TALKING ABOUT !!!
tobywil2
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:34pmTHE PRESIDENT’S PLAN TO SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY:
Our President has a courageous plan to save both Social Security and Medicare
The Social Security Trust Fund is almost bankrupt and the Medicare trust fund is bankrupt. The problem has been apparent for years but until now no one has advanced a plan to save these popular programs.
At last, our President has the courage to propose a solution! It is so simple that one wonders why no one thought of it before. The solution?
Enact a “Health Care Reform Bill” the severely rations health care to the elderly. This will save the Medicare Trust Fund and allow it to be used to reward the Presidents political cronies and provide health care for “deserving Illegal Aliens.”
Deprived of medical care, the lifespan of the elderly will be reduced, depleting the number of recipients of the Social Security Trust Fund, saving that popular program.
Both problems solved! Why did it take so long to find such a simple solution?
Of course, the Congress and the President are exempted from the solution so they can perpetuate the problem. http://commonsense21c.com/
Report Post »Xcori8r
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:35pmIf a Republican Senate wouldn’t remove Clinton for perjury in office, a Democrat Senate certainly won’t remove Obama for any of his socialist subversions. The scary thing here is that government control of life and death is an absolute certainty under the all-inclusive auspices of Obama Care. The money does not exist to assure everyone in the country the same level of service that exists now for those with decent insurance and there will be less money available as time goes on and the effects of all of Obama’s other spending really kicks in. Enjoy your present service now – it will only get worse. The only hope for salvation is if Obama Care is substantially dumped.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:41pmAwesome post Deuteronomy22.
Dustyluv
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:52pmHey Dueteronomy…I wondered where Jack Kervorkian was…Murder is murder idiot! Unplugging old folks is still a crime and hopefully always will be. But if buttholes like you get their way then it’s a slippery slope to freely tossing lives in a dumpster. Do you not understabd that??
You are a fool if you think it’s any different than an abortion.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:05pmGrandma = Shovel ready project
Report Post »Undertakers = employment
Tax the estate and Obama is a happy commie
RepubliCorp
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:15pmDEUTERONOMY22 treatment should decided by the doctor, patient & family. Not you or the A-hole Obama
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:20pmSARAH PALIN was RIGHT! That is in bold type for the progressives who denied the fact.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {cat folk art}
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:25pmAgreed.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:29pmDon’t forget the government is going to have access to ALL your health records … that is what the computerization is all about … CONTROLLING YOUR HEALTHCARE or LACK THERE OF.
Report Post »CarlandRoberta
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:29pmThat is exactly what ought to be done. Everyone who’s awake knows it, but we’ve been constipated for two years under the weight of insecure, go-along Republicans, who fall for getting tangled up in the minutia of one outrageous bill or land-grab or money-printing or Progressive eugenics project – while the whole thing is rotten and corrupt. Ever lousy socialist bit of it!
Report Post »Jimtt500
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:31pm“The question that that we find ourselves thinking about is how was Mrs. Palin able to see this issue when others weren’t. Is she just smarter than the editors and the Congress? Or does she just have more life experience?”
http://www.nysun.com/editorials/sarah-palin-scoop-artist/87175/
Report Post »jzs
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:43pmActually Sarah Palin and Gingrich etc. supported end-of-life counseling (that creating a living will) before it became a political issue: http://www.allgov.com/ViewNews/Palin_Gingrich_Grassley_Supported_End_of_Life_Counselin_AKA_Death_Panels_90815
Actually, except those hypnotized by the fear mongering, every thinking person supports the idea. Ask your doctor next time your there!
And no, you talk to your doctor, and the government has nothing to do with it.
This was voted “lie of the year” by Politifact. Read the assessment, if you dare confront the nonsence that was created to defeat universal health care, something which every single other industrialized Democracy in the world has (with no pulling the plug on grandma). For Christ’s sake vets get end of life counseling through the VA, and you don’t hear them complaining.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/dec/18/politifact-lie-year-death-panels/
Report Post »Cobra Blue
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:46pmGet ready folks…The Administration changed the Obamacare legislation to get rid of the “death Panel” concept just long enough to get it passed. Now that the camel has his nose under the tent they are full steam ahead and going to strengthen the legislation. Bottom line Folks: You had better get your head out of your A** concerning what is going on with our government. IF YOU THINK for one minute they are going to listen to your concerns and wishes you are delusional. This is going to be especially critical to those of you on Medicare. Don’t worry how you are going to live out the end of your days. Obama will do the planning for you. And you better hope you don’t get sick. OR ITS OVER FOR YOU.
Oh…one last thing! If you think the new republicans are going to repeal Obamacare forget it. They have neither the strength of their convictions nor a big enough set to take such a stand. And don’t be fooled by their threats to de-fund it. Never happen in our lifetime.
You can all yell impeachment or start threatening to throw the bumbs out in 2012, but you are wasting your time and energy. By the time 2012 rolls around it is going to be too late. And if you think the Adminsitration would even entertain impeachment of the first black president you are crazier than you look. Anything short of an uprising of the people will not stop this Administration. They are on the march. If you believe otherwise you are just not intouch with reality.
Eddies_Grandma
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:49pmHow did we ever eat , drink , live and die without the gifted Barack and Michelle Obama. If it works so well when Governments tell you how to eat, drink , live and die , the old Soviet Union would still be around. and all the other control freak Governments wouldn’t be on the verge of collaspe, including ours. And the Communist Chinese would be the happiest people in the world. Obama can go straight to hell and take his wife and his entire Administration with him.
Report Post »CYCLONE
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 5:08pm“Armed Insurrection” sure comes to mind….
Report Post »SheriS
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 5:22pmAnd this “end of life” stuff is a shock to anyone! It certainly shouldn’t be as Conservatives were raving about the whold time the Obamacare bill was in Congress. Then Mr. NoPrez said it was outrageous–seems that adds just another “quiver” in his rather full “quiver holder”! Does anyone believe any words uttered from “his” mouth! I don‘t and haven’t since he lied about his relationship with Ayers and his cohorts who are very close friends and neighbors of the Chicago Obama house! Just another strike-out by Progressive Obama!
Report Post »Country
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 5:24pmDeuteronomy22, you have no idea what you are talking about. They are not talking about end of life decision but rationing drugs that will extend lives. Hospice is for people who are dying, and taking drugs away from people that will live a few more years of life is rationing. There is a huge difference. Why don’t you look up Dr. Deaths Ezekiel Emmanuel’s “Complete Lives System Chart.” Hmm have to wonder why. Are they planning of making these important drugs scarce? For the government to come into someone home or hospital room to talk them in to giving up these drugs for the sake of the tax dollars what pure evil is about. So why don’t you research these people who are making these decisions like Donald Berwick, Kathleen Sebelius, Cass Sunstein and all these people putting theses rules in place before you decide what the hell you are talking about!
Report Post »Deanna in Missouri
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 5:35pmDeuteronomy22
Report Post »It should be between them and their family. Not the government. And what is this about paying the dr’s for this end of life talk? Isn’t that free now?
Deanna in Missouri
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 5:43pmDeuteronomy22
Report Post »People like you are delusional and buttonholes at that.
jzs
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 6:19pmOf course, the Tea Party actually does have Death Panels, at least in Arizona:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/12/09/20101209Montini1209.html
To the rest of you, that heaven‘s you’re not in charge of anything. If you’re making decisions you need a better handle on the facts.
Report Post »guyperram
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 6:20pmThat dumb hick Sarah Palin. How could she possibly talk about death panels during the reign of King Obama the 1st? She’s lieing. Blah. blah, blah.
Report Post »Anybody with a half a brain knew what was coming. I guess that pretty much sums it up for the morons that believe in this liberal nonsense. No wonder Stalin called the true believers, idiots. They are.
Deuteronomy22
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 6:29pmHey Dusty! Fact check alert. Plugs are pulled every single day in this country. Example one, Junior wrecks his car and is brain dead and the family wishes him removed from life support. Example two, Dad has a major stroke and there is no brain activity and the family decides to take him off the vent. On the other hand Junior’s mom is riddled with guilt and denial. She wants everything done to keep her boy alive. He is eventually weaned from the vent and spends the next thirty years in a nursing home in a coma comepletely brain dead, think Terri Schiavo. Over those thirty years of Junior’s comatose existence Medicaid pays $60,000 a year for nursing home care and another million or two for juniors frequent hospitalizations when he starts to go into respiratory failure because for all intents and purposes he really did die the day of the accident. Oh and all you twits who say the family and Dr should decide, that is exactly what end of life planning is with the huge difference being the one who’s life is being discussed is actually present and of sound mind and body. Of course this is The Blaze and all of you grade school educated hillbillies just don’t get it. Oh and I am a health care worker and have had plenty of experience in life and death situations. When there is a thread of hope we must do all we can but some situations are irreversible. All of you who complain that the government shouldn’t be funding this socialist program or that just remember 99% of these brain dead people gets Medicaid to pay their bills and each one runs into the millions. So next time you rant about people taking care of themselves and you not wanting to pay taxes for the benefit of others you just reveal yourself as the ignorant hypocrite you are.
Report Post »338lapua
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 6:33pm@deuteronomy22, I would like to hear why you chose that chapter of deuteronomy. I am beginning to think it is important considering what you post here.
Report Post »FREEDOMFOX
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 6:36pm1. Swear in the new Representatives!
2. Read the Constitution!
3. Submit bill to impeach Obama!
(Make him unseal his birth and school records, then he will be impeached!)
Report Post »338lapua
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 6:45pmHateful stuff, and I believe deut;22 is about hate. Will have to brush up on that. Been a while since this hillbilly seen gradeschool. I wonder why you are here. You bring nothing to the discussion, and you just seem to want your hate embraced by us little folks. News for you. Education level here is way past what they told youbefore you signed on for this. We will hold your feet to the fire for every untruth and every hateful rant.I for one find nourishment in your hate, so let er rip. Just like the rest you will only tolerate so much truthful retort to your bilge and you will just disappear one day. Can’t wait!
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 7:08pmMr. Blumenauer is a bloomin elitist who knows better than anyone else with an opposing opinion or opposing research. He’s also a bloomin (insert your favorite insult here).
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 7:10pm338lapua
Report Post »OK. Please explain what I am wrong about. Are people taken off life support every day? Are those doing it going to jail for committing a crime? Dusty said “Murder is murder idiot! Unplugging old folks is still a crime and hopefully always will be.” So is it murder to remove a person from mechanical ventilation? Are all of these parents and children who remove loved ones from life support thousands of times a year murderers? Are we not entitled to say how we want to be cared for if we become incapacitated with no hope for recovering our minds and bodily functions? Enlighten me. Do you agree with Dusty or can we at least agree that Dusty really is quite ignorant, heavy on rhetoric but shy on facts?
StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 7:14pmLook, people, calm down. Deut is just going by the soros method of calling those opposed to obama and the socialist agenda “dumb hillbillies” Argue all you want, but you will STILL only be a “dumb hillbilly” EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. HE. REBUTTS. So, just mock him, laugh in his face, but don’t answer directly. Believe me, it will shut him up. Just ask CALIJOHN and look on page three of this post to see what I did to shut HIM up. Sad and pathetic, really.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 7:51pmDeut, great post. I especially liked the cutting edge technology you crammed into this one: “It’s one thing to be pro life but to delay the natural process of death with technology is different than killing a child in the womb.” Whoa Nelly, brilliant yet so subtle and over the top. I’m impressed beyond my wildest imagination and well beyond my intellect. It just doesn’t get any better, at least not in this dimension. Holy cow, what a mind, what a stellar comet and an asteroid at the same time. Beyond compare to all I’ve previously read or heard (my other posting name is JZS)
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 7:58pmJZS, please tell us who these vets are, the ones you identified as “Christ’s sake vets.” Were they a special detachment of religious WWII soldiers? Very interesting, very compelling. What a vivid, yet previously unknown bit of war history.
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 8:02pmSPARKY101, you ignorant redneck rube….you are so stupid and ignorant, you don’t even know what the word “ignorant’ means, redneck stupid, stupid! if you even knew how stupid your stupidness was, at least you would know ONE thing, but stupid, stupid stupid, idiot, stupid redneck, that idiot, ignorant stupid, redneck idiot stupid!
valricoslash
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 8:10pmNote they took this provision out of the bill, but, Obama, the arrogant moron that he is, will just go in the back door by writing a new medicarerule. Now it will be up to the Republicans in congress to ensure funding for this new rule is not provided and then they need to repeal and replace Obamacare with something more rational.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 8:20pmStMichelob, I do believe you have elevated me to levels of esoteric vapor previously only achieved by Deut and JZS. Nirvana is beautiful, you should see it from here.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 8:41pmWhat are you going to impeach him on? He had not done anything that is against the Constitution. End of life care is something every person has available to them by their doctors. They have always had it but Medicare just didn’t pay for it. Now they do – so what part of the Constitution does that go against – no part. He will not get impeach- you have not idea what impeachment means or what has to happen before a President gets impeached. Educate yourself before you go on about impeachment. http://maboulette.wordpress.com
Report Post »oldoldtimer
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 8:52pmDo you know why Obama is able to get away with this? there is no one to stop him. The House and the Senate are basically one body elected by the people but representing special interests. Why can they do this? Because they no longer have to answer to any one but a few stupid voters. If the 17th Amendment was repealed and the Senators had to answwer to their states instead of dumb voters all the progressive bills since 1913 would never have passed. There would be no kickbacks. trading votes, selling votes and buying votes because the Senators would have to answer directly to their state legislature. This is exactly what Madison said would happen without the states having a voice and vote in Gov’t. The Gov’t would just get bigger and bigger until it consumed every thing. Any changes must center around the 17th Amendment so the states can stop the Gov’t from placing unconstitutional demands on their resources. REPEAL THE 17th.
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 8:59pmLol, sorry, VAPOR, just using you as an example of how a move-on operative would react to your post….although, as soon as i posted, I had to look back and wasn’t sure which side of the fence you were on….either way, my post works. So either enjoy or SUCK IT!
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 9:06pmWALKWITHME…..my latest example of how move-on operatives use the “you are uneducated’ retort in EVERY SINGLE POST, thank you so much! You can impeach obama on the grounds that he is unconstitutionally doing his will, subverting the legislative process and acting in a seditious manner against the will of the people of the United States, thereby failing in his oath as President to “uphold the Constitution of the United States”. He is in fact acting AGAINST the Constitution, by inacting his own policies based on his own personal beliefs, through Presidental Orders, again SUBVERTING THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.
Report Post »Wanna play another round with me?
8jrts
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 9:21pmIs anyone really surprised by this act from our president? Hey, just give grandma a pain pill!!
Report Post »gscottyv
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 9:39pmI love your comment, “…as soon as this congress finish reading the Constitution” hahaha!! It’s a shame that you and I know more about the Constitution than those who swore to uphold it. OMG, let’s impeach every President and Congressman that does not defend and protect the Constitution as they swore to do!! It’s that simple! IMPEACH THEM ALL!!!
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 9:43pm338LAPUA I agree with you about @deuteronomy22. Elitist always know more than the rest of us. People make end of life decisions every day without interference from the government.Elitist point out some far out cases as the reason we should turn over our freedom to them. I might be dumb as a rock & a hillbilly but I do know when I hear “for the better good” our freedom is being flushed down the toilet..
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities. (Ayn Rand)
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 9:46pmSTMICHELOB, by “move-on operative,” are you inferring a prophylaxis for the clinical syndrome caused by ineffective propulsion and characterized by symptoms and signs of obstruction in the absence of an occluding lesion of the lumen otherwise called CIP? I thought so. Well done. I do believe Deut and JZS have that effect on me. Oops, gotta run!!!
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 9:53pmSPARKY, are you talkin’ bout the inability to poop? I ain’t no rocket surgeon, but what you just spoke about sounds an aweful lot like constipation. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m just a dumb white boy from west georgia, but prophylaxis for the clinical syndrome caused by ineffective propulsion and characterized by symptoms and signs of obstruction in the absence of an occluding lesion of the lumen otherwise called CIP sounds an AWEFUL lot like a poopin’ disorder to me…
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 9:56pmDirtbag, scumball, no good, lying, cheating, blowhard, two-faced, worthless, traitorous, arrogant, pompous, spineless, clueless, ignorant, incompetent, indifferent, cold hearted, egotistical, greedy, slimy, thieving…fake! ……I FEEL MUCH BETTER!
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 10:01pmStMichelob, you are astute. Oops, gotta run again.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 10:05pmWow, StMichelob, that move-on operative stuff really works, but I’d advise using only half the dose provided by JZS and Deut.
Report Post »getalong
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 10:08pmThe main reason I cried the night Obama became president, was because he is man that does not value a person’s right to their life,. As incredible as that sounds – its true. I believe his first official act as president was to lift the ban of partial-birth abortions. I mean think about that. Partial-birth abortions are one of the most horrible voilent acts that can be done to a defenseless, human, life. Partial birth abortions are done on 5 month old fetuses. And yet 5-6 month old fetuses can be delivered as premmies. They may not beable to live on their own, but some have. No this President believes that not God but people determine a person’s value of life. Arrogant, Godless, thinking. What about the babies found to have down syndrome, heart defects, or other deformities while in the womb. Who determines their right to life or not! Obama thinks that he should beable to make that call..
Report Post »NancyBee
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 10:31pmAmen!
Report Post »G.W. Dobbs
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 2:39amEnd of Life Planning has LONG been in effect in the V.A. Health Care System. .
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 3:07amDeutoronomy said, “When there is a thread of hope we must do all we can but some situations are irreversible.”
And who decides which situations are irreversible? The Obama tyranny? Doctors who must either ration or be penalized? Once money, not optimum health care, becomes the driving issue, we will be heading down a slippery slope. Obamacare needs to be self-sustaining, but it can’t unless there is serious rationing of vulnerable groups such as the elderly, the very young and the weak.
This is a cut and dry issue for libs because they are godless. Not so for a believer. People’s wishes can and often do change once they become seriously/terminally ill. There are many kinds of end of life scenarios, and the key issue (although not the sole consideration) in my view is whether a person is ready to meet his/her Creator. I wouldn’t want non-believers to propel themselves into hell (well, a few exceptions do come to mind), because they are too stupid to realize human beings never cease to exist, and there is a reckoning on the other side. Most Americans believe in God, so why should we be, yet again, forced to accept your putrid value system?
I find it ironic that we keep the most heinous criminals sitting on death row for YEARS on tax-payer dole, before they are “cleared” for execution. However, the lib crowd wants law-abiding, God-fearing citizens to make up their minds — with a little help from our enemies disguised as friends — and die expeditiously. You are hopelessly naive if you think Obamacare doctors won’t counsel people to opt against extraordinary measures should they become unproductive by liberal standards.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:37amSeems pointless, because as someone said, most here are arguing without any understanding of the issues, only the nonsence spread to defeat universal healthcare in the US, something every single other wealthy Democracy on Earth has (without death panels). But to Kryptonite I’ll suggest you look at the VA, “universal” healthcare for vets. That medical care is 100% socialism: the government owns the hospitals and pays the doctors. End-of-life counseling is paid for and that’s good: ask your own doctor.
And guess what. Veterans have better healthcare than all but the richest Americans. No death panels, no pulling the plug on GI Joe.
The real death panel is in Arizona, where the plug is being pulled on individuals who need transplants. The real death panel is your insurance companies, who could drop your insurance or raise your premiums to unaffordable levels simply because you developed a condition expensive to treat (although, thanks to Obamacare that’s now illegal). The insurance companies exist solely to make a profit, and every dollar they pay to your doctor is a dollar off of their bottom line. You may think they love your, but wait until you or your child gets really sick, then see how much love there is.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/dec/18/politifact-lie-year-death-panels/
Report Post »always watching
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:40am@ “Don’t walk anywhere near me”
“Elected officials who support the goals of Socialism do not and can not support the US Constitution. Those are mutually exclusive philosophies of government. They violate their Oath Of Office, fraudulently continue serving in office, and are prime candidates for prosecution for treason”
Report Post »Miguelito
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 10:13amWe need to vote the following out and replace with conservatives. Which Republicans specifically did vote for this Treaty? Well, here are the Republican turncoats:
Report Post »Lamar Alexander (R-TN) Bob Bennett (R-UT)
Scott Brown (R-MA)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Susan Collins (R-ME)
Bob Corker (R-TN)
Judd Gregg (R-NH)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Mike Johanns (R-NE)
Richard Lugar (R-IN)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Olympia Snowe (R-ME)
George Voinovich (R-OH)
sWampy
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 11:19amWhy do people keep arguing with the liberals on here? Their ideas, have all been tried and failed, yet they just get on here call people names, and quote facts from fictitious websites like politicalfact.org or what ever crap they are pimping today. These guys are ignorant immoral crooks, that pretend to be brilliant loving saviors while they are driving their knifes in our backs, we all need to pull our kids out of the public schools that produce these ignorant haters before it’s to late.
Report Post »MUDFLAPS
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 11:36amCongress could not read the constitution if you stuck it in front of them. They have probably had it put on a roll and put into their bathrooms. Dont look for the government to do ANYTHING right.
Report Post »DanB
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 1:50pm“something every single other wealthy Democracy on Earth has”…. ROFL. And that is why their economies are doing so wonderful that a few of them are collapsing, implementing austerity measures because the money is running out…. Even if the socialized (universal) medicine alone was not enough to bankrupt them this sort of thinking often comes with a few (lots) of other expenses in other areas.
Personally, do I think someone has the right to a living will or to making end of life choices? Yes. Do I think government should be making that choice? No.
I read an example of Medicaid being used to keep the brain dead alive as reasoning for supporting “death panels” of some sort. I had to laugh. Was I the only one who got the irony of that? Government spends too much to keep a few alive so we are going to take away the right for EVERYONE to choose their end of life choices. And it was government making that choice in the first place? We are so happy to spend other peoples money? Make other peoples choices? And the cycle goes on and on. This is why I am OPPOSED to “Obamacare” and “death panels.” The more you do, the more you must do. Eventually that health care worker who thinks this is great will have to someday find that despite their beliefs that government is making all their own choices for them and letting them have no control over their own future because little by little they told the government take away their neighbors’ choices.
Report Post »Clive
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 4:12pm“voluntary advance care planning”
Report Post »voluntary. you don’t have to do it. it allows you to die with dignity. thats all.
Jeez, calm down, you people are so crazy.
Polwatcher
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 6:35pmSurprise, surprise…now we know why the ruling class exempted themselves. Obama promised everybody everything in health care and there is ALWAYS a catch in something that is too good to be true. Now we know what it is. They plan to pay for health care for all the illegal immigrants with our social security money after we are eliminated.
Report Post »JKN
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 7:54pmGreat. So the Obama Administration takes this part of the health care overhaul out before it is signed into law and then tries to sneak it right back in during the holiday week between Christmas and New Year’s…
This 2,700-page monstrosity of a Health Care/Redistribution of Wealth scheme has been a complete disaster since Day One… The overhaul itself is absolutely flawed and has nothing to do with “affordable health care for all” but everything to do with stealing from the middle class to give to the poor whether they’re in this country legally or not.
The process of completing this overhaul was flawed with all of the shady backdoor deals, corrupt twisting of arms, and the utter arrogance and lack of regard for the vast majority of the American people who clearly opposed this bill; and now the more we learn about this monstrosity, the worse it gets! Why else would so many companies and unions be “exempt” from having to follow certain portions of this law?
And whatever happened to transparency? May this absolute MESS of a bill crumble of its own weight…
Report Post »American64
Posted on December 27, 2010 at 11:46pmImpeachment is needed here. Although, he should have never been elected in the first place. He’s not qualified to run the fry machine at any fast food joint. What a POS this guy is. He spent his first 2 years campaigning this BS Health Care Package that apparently we still don’t understand, according to him. Now he’s off next week to kick off his re-election campaign in Chicago. Who is running this Country? He likes flying our 747 around the world I do get that. Campaigner in Chief. His teleprompter speaks a well thought out plan to about 30% of Amercia but, what about the rest of the 70% who wish he would jusy go back to Kenya? Maybe he can sell thoughs pirates on his agenda, because it’s not working here.
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 6:40amDoodeyromony…Just because no one is charged with MURDER when they pull the plug on Grandma does not change the FACT that it is MURDER just like ABORTION is MURDER.
Murder is murder! God says so!! MORON! You are in the healthcare field? Do us all a favor and get out!! You are the same as an abortionist!
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 7:41amAmerican64
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“? Maybe he can sell thoughs pirates on his agenda, ”
Are you serious? You really don’t know how to spell those? Wow another Blaze scholar from Beck U I suppose.
Deuteronomy22
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 7:57amSo after reading all of your posts and seeing how outraged most you are I have a simple question? Do you support repeal of Medicare, letting seniors fend for themselves in the private market and if they don’t have resources they get no health care? Medicare is the epitome of government run and socially financed health care. The government sets the rates and chooses which procedures are covered. If you want Medicare when you are old then you get what the government chooses to give. Otherwise opt out and try to make it on your own and if you can‘t at least you’ll know you died with your principles intact.
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on December 26, 2010 at 7:23pmI agree. Live on your knees, or die on your feet.
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