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Reuters: Gov‘t Has Secret Panel That Can Put Americans on ’Kill List’

There’s some shocking news coming from Reuters. According to the wire service, a secret government panel exists that can put Americans on a “kill list.” It’s unclear what role the president plays in such decisions.

Reuters explains:

American militants like Anwar al-Awlaki are placed on a kill or capture list by a secretive panel of senior government officials, which then informs the president of its decisions, according to officials.

There is no public record of the operations or decisions of the panel, which is a subset of the White House’s National Security Council, several current and former officials said. Neither is there any law establishing its existence or setting out the rules by which it is supposed to operate.

The panel was behind the decision to add Awlaki, a U.S.-born militant preacher with alleged al Qaeda connections, to the target list. He was killed by a CIA drone strike in Yemen late last month.

The role of the president in ordering or ratifying a decision to target a citizen is fuzzy. White House spokesman Tommy Vietor declined to discuss anything about the process.

Reuters cited the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, who said the process involves “going through the National Security Council, then it eventually goes to the president, but the National Security Council does the investigation, they have lawyers, they review, they look at the situation, you have input from the military, and also, we make sure that we follow international law.”

You can read the full report form Reuters.

Comments (211)

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  • quickstudy
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:05am

    America is great because she is good. Government killings of citizens is NOT good. I hope I live to see America great again. Maybe Ron Paul can help…

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    • Delete the Elite
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:07am

      at this point, he is the only one. I am not trying to politicize this, but nobody else is standing up for our rights.

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    • Nlitend1
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:12am

      What did everyone expect?? When GWB was president, we gleefully gave up our freedoms for safety. Don’t you remember the Patriot act?
      Benjamin Franklin once said, “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

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    • stopspendingourmoney
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:12am

      We need Ron Paul as pres more now than ever.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:14am

      Oh c’mon. Rick Perry would….er…well. No! Mitt Romney would…um…dang. No wait! Michelle Bachman would…dang…didn’t she already vote for…”

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    • JLGunner
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:17am

      RoN Paul thinks its ok for Iran to have a nuke, and he also believes that the government was behind 9-11. This guy is not the answer.

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    • crabbyoldman
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:20am

      It had to be done. Awlaki was al-Qaeda so with that he was a traitor fighter in war time and fair game.

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    • Fly Old Glory 24/7 365
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:22am

      @quick: I so enjoyed your post till I got to the maybe Ron Paul part…..

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:23am

      @Crabby

      We‘re not at war and haven’t been at war since the end of WW2. You cannot claim the legal exceptions of war without legally declaring war. Sorry.

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    • S_Malc13
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:33am

      How quickly some have forgotten that DHS had videos and listed white, right-wing, Christian, vets AND Ron Paul supporters as possible domestic terrorist. The green light to assassinate ‘terrorist’ without a declaration of war leaves who may be targeted ambiguous. Why? Why would any American WANT that? I‘ll tell you why it’s excusable. Politics. Those who disapprove of Ron Paul so much, can’t give him the victory of standing up against this blatant, heinous violation of the Constitution. Keep playing politics; you‘re playing with people’s lives.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:39am

      Ahh the Neo-Cons love this idea.. Just wait until they began targeting Tea Party members in the next 10-20 years.. Hell maybe even sooner… But they will have to tell their grandchildren sorry guys we thought they‘d only violate the Constitution in order to go after Muslims now they’ve killed your grandaddy for being so pro Constititution.. I really wish we would have listened to those people who FOX News and Glenn Beck continually marginalized in order to consolidate Gov’t power.. It’s all plain now but we were caught up in the moment of War and Terrorism so we thougth it would be ok…lol

      Indeed Ron Paul is the only hope for America at this time. Unfortunately, he’s the only one that will put principle over politics.

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    • Citizen
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:39am

      sad thing is no one will help, if you think its bad now wait till the blood starts to flow to a horsebridle.

      stop democracy – we are a republic

      if you dont even know what form of government you are in get out of this country

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:43am

      @JLGunner:

      I hope Iran gets nukes too. You know why? It will stop the US war machine from invading. I’d really like to NOT have my boys die on a sand dune in Iran.

      It’s funny to me how a pro-gun person such as yourself (judging by your logo) can grasp the concept that if everyone is armed we have detante’. People are less likely to “engage” when everyone is armed. Yet, after grasping this concept you then undo that logic by saying that certain countries shouldn’t be armed. By your own logic you are acknowledging that the likelihood of war would increase under that scenario.

      No thanks. I’ve had enough of Americans dying on foreign shores and coming home in body bags. If a country brings a threat to our shores or commits an act of war then DECLARE WAR and obliterate them. Otherwise, stop with the “kinetic military activity”. Stop bringing home our boys in bags to fight for someone else’s jacked up concept of freedom. Bin Laden is dead (allegedly), we’ve killed many Al Qaeda leaders. Saddam is gone (even though he didn’t attack us). Yet, we keep bombing and killing and losing troops. I think EVERYONE should have nukes, then maybe this crap would stop.

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    • Apple Bite
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:01pm

      Stop it with Ron Paul.

      Look, I don‘t’ hate the guy, but face the facts, he’s the wrong man in the worse time possible to choose. You did this before in supporting him and we ended up with the worse thing since Pelosi’s birth running the country. Sure, let Iran have nukes. It’s perfectly fine… so says Ron Paul.

      I think not.

      All we need is our Bill of Rights, Constitution, Faith, and a way of protecting ourselves from a Government gone awry. That IS NOT Ron Paul. But give me and my neighbors a AR-10 SASS, Benelli shotgun and a good side arm, we can do the rest on our own, and you can too.

      At some point, you’ll need to stand up for yourselves. Does that mean law enforcement will have failed us all? No. But the right to protect yourselves and country ultimately relies on us all. If the need is to protect it with our own hand, we have no choice, this country is all we have, STAND THE HELL UP.

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    • poverty.sucks
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:04pm

      Ameica is good because we reserve the right to kill those who threaten us with harm. Social justice is outlines in the Mosaic Law, I you do this, then this will happen.

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    • pbrenda51
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:11pm

      Not ron paul again…..he doesn’t have a chance!!

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:18pm

      @Brenda:

      You may well be right. And THAT is why we are screwed.

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    • rslamd
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:21pm

      A lot of Ron Pauls Fiscal ideas are what this country needs. However his grasp of international affairs is greatly lacking. Will I morn for Awalki…..no. He gave up that right when he plotted against this country. A Hellfire missle from a drone risked less of our troops lives than sending a team in to catch or kill him.

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    • smokegray
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:22pm

      ron paul has been in congress how long now? he is part of the problem not a solution…goto pgamerica.pcriot.com it is the only way to act on the Declaration of Independence. just remember ron paul and all the others are supporters of the constitutuional act of 1871 that sold out america and made us a corporation instead of the Republic for which we are supposed to stand!!!!!!!

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    • lel2007
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:23pm

      But Ron Paul doesn’t believe in borders. No borders, no country. No. Ron Paul is a libertarian to the extreme. He has some good ideas, but not presidential timber for the greatest country on Earth.

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    • Delete the Elite
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:25pm

      @Apple Bite
      I am glad you are comfortable enough with the powers that be to make that statement, it just sucks that you have to make it at the expense of others.
      “All we need is our Bill of Rights, Constitution, Faith, and a way of protecting ourselves from a Government gone awry. That IS NOT Ron Paul. ”
      Excuse me? Really?!
      I question that you even live in America. If you do infact live in America, I want you to repeat that statement when you have the jackboots on your neck.

      But you are right, you war mongerers do not deserve Ron Paul. It is probably to late for it to be corrected now anyway.

      You ever hear about the frog in the boiling water trick? That is exactly what is happening here.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:29pm

      @LEL2007:

      That’s simply a lie. Here is Dr. Paul’s 6 Point plan on border security.

      Ron Paul’s six point plan puts a stop to illegal immigration:

      1. Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
      2. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
      3. No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
      4. No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
      5. End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
      6. Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:38pm

      You know, I wonder if Glenn Beck would change his mind if his name was found on this list. Glenn could easily be considered for the list for exposing a lot of the corruption, abuse, and calling for protests against the government. But of course our government would never do that to their own citizens…..Our Government would never push for Sedition…….

      Ron Paul 2012, all the others will continue the same old way…..

      @AppleBite

      Your rhetoric will put you on this list and a reaper drone will be visiting you soon. How exactly will you defend against a reaper besides sitting there with your AR and take it…..
       

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    • Delete the Elite
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:41pm

      @LEL2007

      Pure drivel.

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    • truthseekerusa
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:59pm

      Quick study

      Notice Ron Paul’s hands during the debates. He apparently has some kind of palsy that he is trying to control. It was noticed by a number of reporters and one wrote about it. I am wondering if he is suffering from some kind of degenerative brain disease which may account for some of what he says.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 1:03pm

      Clip below is April 2010 and Glenn is upset over this “kill” list and killing citizens. Glenn says it is ok to kill on the “battlefield” but Glenn can’t grasp the idea, the WHOLE GLOBE is the battlefield thru the open ended powers granted to the President under the “War on Terror”. 

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMAv5furHFY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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    • YUP YUP
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 1:16pm

      @ROTHBARDIAN & Ghost of jefferson, Check page 3 (I think) for my post to you guys

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 1:33pm

      Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:43am
      @JLGunner:

      “I hope Iran gets nukes too. You know why? It will stop the US war machine from invading. I’d really like to NOT have my boys die on a sand dune in Iran.”

      Great post. I agree with every last sentence with perhaps the everyone having Nukes. I don’t want to see that; however, I don’t know how we stop them either.

      You probably also see the irony in the reaction of these ignorant Beck yuppies in their tone on Iran placing battle ships along the Atlantic or Gulf of Mexico… They advocate sinking them and killing them all yet they are perfectly content to place up to 3 US Carriers in the “Persian” Gulf at one time… I just marvel at the hypocrisy. We no longer have a Dept of Defense but one off Offense and it sickens me! Our Founders would be rolling in their graves if they knew what had become of this once Great Republic and now so many of our like minded Conservatives not only support but advocate loudly for this foreign Neo-Con interventionist eternal War with out boundaries policy… They just get the shivers when Kristol, Krauthammer, Levine, Rush, and Beck advocate for more Middle Eastern War and begin waving their Red/ White, and Blue…

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    • Wayner
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 2:10pm

      Hey, we the public, knew for a long time that Alwalaki (or whatever) was wanted dead or alive… We do that with outlaws whether they be American citizens or not… so what’s the deal?

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    • Delete the Elite
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 2:31pm

      http://youtu.be/_MpTNdcM_e0

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 2:43pm

      JLGUNNER Both of your statements are not true! Lies! Please get educated before you post those two statements again.

      GUNNER said “RoN Paul thinks its ok for Iran to have a nuke, and he also believes that the government was behind 9-11. This guy is not the answer.”

      Doesn’t anyone here CHECK FACTS, or do they just repeat lies of the left?

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 2:53pm

      Obama is also implementing a “kill panel” for old people as part of the Obamacare bill. They will kill old people by withholding necessary medical treatment.

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    • rabblechat
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 3:21pm

      So in other words, you might as well use your copy of the constitution to wipe your…uhm backside… because that’s about about all its worth anymore…

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    • Rightallalong
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 4:01pm

      @JLGunner – In regard to Ron Paul, you seem to be following the ‘Joseph Goebbels’ approach to propaganda that if you repeat a lie frequently enough then people will start to believe you. I guess that is appropriate for someone that believes that the government is A OK to create a secret kill list. I am sadden that so many claiming to be patriots are so soft on the constitution. If you only want to keep the parts you agree with than you might as well shred the whole thing. It is very sad to see this once great nation going down to the chears of USA USA USA by a bunch of well meaning but ignorant people.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 4:21pm

      @Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      5. End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
      ———–
      Let’s take point #5 of Paul’s plan to stop illegal immigration. Do you honestly think it is feasible? Please explain to me how Paul will accomplish this. His loony ideas may give some of you a utopian high, but most of us understand that a bill to repeal the 14th Amendment could only pass under a totalitarian regime or subsequent to a victorious civil war. Is that what Paul is advocating? America is currently in stage 4 constitutional cancer, so I believe civil war is inevitable if we want to save our Republic , but I doubt that is part of Paul’s agenda.

      Here’s an easy-to-read summary of the amendment process. It behooves Ron Paul supporters to study it carefully before they continue to drink the Kool-Aid: http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html

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    • ramburner
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 8:17pm

      I don’t think so. I wanted his Constitutional approach as well, but I think his position on Israel and his other foreign policy positions dictate that we must elect a pure Tea Party Candidate, like Herman Cain.

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  • HogansHero
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:05am

    Pretty soon all us conservatives that will not bow to the government will also be on that list just like Nazi Germany, USSR, China, etc.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:18am

      The only conservatives they’ll put on those lists, if it happens, will be those conservatives that were against the Patriot act, Homeland Security, TSA right from the beginning. The rest can simply be “convinced” to change their views with enough flag waving window dressing.

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    • crabbyoldman
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:24am

      You are right and that worries me also.
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    • Max jones
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 3:04pm

      If each case is handled on an indvidual basis, it will be a long time before any of us need be concerned……….unless they look , first, online.
      Some, here onsite, are part of the rebellion, some are not.
      Yeah, sure, Obama is a tool in the hands of evil men, but our leaders have unanimously,and continually leaned further and further left for the last few decades.
      The “progressive agenda” is a push toward atheism and secular humanism in the guise of a new ecologically repressive world view….. SOUNDS LIKE…..UH….PAGAN SOCIALISM..????

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    • Norm D. Plume
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 6:17pm

      Case by case or not, it does not matter.

      The fact is, this “kill list” (and the actions against Al-Wacky, et al) are just WRONG and FLY IN THE FACE of the Constitution!

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  • Joisey
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:04am

    I don’t have a problem with putting Americans who join Al Qaida on a hit list. I am more disturbed that a committee of un-elected bureaucrats are informing the President who is on the list, and not the other way around.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:07am

      So you trust a government that creates a citizen assassination list to honestly categorize people who are or are not “in al queda”? Remember, all the Soviets had to do to send you to a gulag, or even kill you, was to simply declare that you were a capitalist, or your family was. No evidence required.

      There are no exceptions to this being wrong I’m afraid. You cannot trust people who make assassination lists of their own people, on anything, at all, ever.

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    • odd1
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:10am

      Today they come after American Homegrown Terrorsts, tomorrow they come after you

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:12am

      “I don’t have a problem with putting Americans who join Al Qaida on a hit list.” Hmmmm.

      How about:

      “I don’t have a problem with putting Americans who join Tea Parties on a hit list.”

      Or

      “I don’t have a problem with putting Americans who join certain churches on a hit list.”

      Or

      “I don’t have a problem with putting Americans who speak out on a hit list.”

      Where does that line of thinking end? In your post you acknowledge the fallacy that government can manage this correctly but at the same time are comfortable with them doing it. Sorta like, finding terrorists at airport before they blow up planes has now turned into you and your wife and children being gate-raped by some HS dropout. How can people be so short sighted?

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    • Nlitend1
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:16am

      You want elected people deciding on the hit list?!? Glenn Beck would need some protection.

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    • drago
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:23am

      @Joisey
      Its not just that they are “un-elected beurocrats”, but lawyers, one reason the country is in the shape its in, its controlled by laywers……

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    • YUP YUP
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:30am

      Short sighted? If someone declares war on America and Americans then they are enemy combatants and should be killed before they kill us. Osama Declared war on the U.S. twice before 9/11. Clinton thought the same way you do and the result was 3000 dead U.S. CITIZENS! Clinton should’ve protected America and killed that S.O.B. And because Clinton FAILED we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and now Libya. Think about it! You take out Osama, no 9/11. 3000 saved. No, US soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. You take out Hitler and 50 million lives saved. Yes, it could be dangerous in the wrong hands. But that is why you don’t elect Big government thugs to office.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:43am

      That’s all they need from you Yup Yup. Consent to the lists. Now that your consent is granted for the lists, any conditions you place on that consent are irrelevant. Once you cede the germ of the argument, you lose the argument I’m afraid. Not with me mind you, but with those who make these kinds of lists.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:59am

      First off, dudes in caves cannot legally declare war no more than we can legally declare war on an idea. These are people who are all different but unified in their hatred of the USA. They have the resolve to put action behind that belief. Fine. I actually agree with Clinton on this. As soon as they take action it is a law enforcement issue. You don’t mobilize a million men and material and invade a country(ies) because people hate you. Furthermore, there are a great deal of people in this country right now that are pretty ticked off at the government of this country. In fact, somewhere there is a line that will be crossed that will create the “resolve” on par with that of those other dudes. What then?

      Either we have law and liberty and principle or we do not. You can’t have it one way for smelly dudes in caves and another way for tea partiers in lawn chairs. If you think for one minute that the propaganda machine can’t draw a line from what we did the last 10 years to “people who hate us (islam)“ to the now ”people who hate us (tea party)” then you are a fool.

      Quit drinking the kool-aid.

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    • YUP YUP
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 1:18pm

      @ROTHBARDIAN, check page 3 for my post to you

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 2:45pm

      The LIST IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL is the problem! How can America go so far away from it’s roots?
      WE HAVE ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN AND WE BETTER FIX IT!
      Drastic measures for drastic times! Ron Paul 2012 — 1/10 of his policies passing would be a great beginning at repairing America.

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 3:23pm

      When your government can stalk you and murder you then that is a nazi regime.When a government can declare the whole world a battlefied and kill someone though no battle was taking place then that is a nazi regime.If someone is a traitor then try him in a court of law where he can face his accusers .saying you‘re at war doesn’t make you at war. Declare war if you want to kill people and even them you can only kill them if they are armed or engaged in battle. Expressing anti -american beliefs is legal. So is expressing theological beliefs.Plotting to kill people is a crime for which the legal system can adjudicate. What is happening is unamerican and makes us a nazi regime. And hypocritical. We have nothing to complain about regarding violations of human rights and democratic principles taking place elsewhere as we ourselves take a playbook from fatwas and nazi regimes!

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    • rabblechat
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 3:25pm

      I recall hearing members of the current administration call tea party members terrorists. Are you OK will adding them to the hit list as well?

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    • Norm D. Plume
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 6:27pm

      @Rose-Ellen:

      This single reply, of almost all of your posts that I have read, is one with which I can wholeheartedly agree.

      Well done.

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  • Meyvn
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:04am

    Sign me up.

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 6:16pm

      I did sign up. When Nancy Pelosi and the Dept of Homeland Security issued the report to watch for conservative, right wing, Bible believing Christians. I sent them my information so they wouldn’t have to waste my tax money on looking me up. I haven’t had any vistitations yet… But again, the only place I go is workm church, a few local stores and 912 events (oh and the gun range)

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  • sb36695
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:02am

    Bet Hank Williams Jr. is on it.

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    • Libertarian
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:29am

      I wonder what Glenn, Stu and Pat will say about this. I agree with 90% of what they generally say, but I believe they were wrong in the case of the President killing an American citizen regardless of what title the president or this “kill panel” labeled them as. This is surely not News if they still hold their stance.

      If you really delve into the constitution, you are not permitted to seek and assassinate a US citizen. Warrants are issued everyday for bad American citizens that end up in their death, because the criminal pursues a violent end.

      Look at how the founders dealt with traitors, read the federalist papers #84 and the argument about due process and habeas corpus.

      If Obama’s actions did not scare you a week ago, neither should this. Consistency is the basis of principle and philosophy.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:57am

      @Libertarian

      Happily, Beck came out against the list on the air just a few moments ago. Glad to see some consistency on the point with him.

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    • Libertarian
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:41pm

      I wonder if Glenn is rethinking his position that Herman Cain, Ron Paul and Gary Johnson has on Obama killing the citizen-terrorist? You can‘t have it both ways as far as I’m concerned.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 1:44pm

      @Libertarian
      @Ghost

      Glenn will support this list for overseas action like Al awaki recently but then expresses outrage as seen today for the list if American Citizens are on it. 

      Glenn totally contradicts himself. He doesn’t get declaring the whole world the battlefield includes the USA and by granting the President and committee open ended powers for this battlefield Americans, citizens, can be treated and executed like terrorists if and when the President and committee see fit. America is part of the battlefield therefore we all are combatants or soldiers, Citizenship is irrelevant now. For us or against us motto I suppose. Either side with Government or you are against Government. For some reason Glenn doesn’t get this……..

      This is the abuse Ron has been arguing all along while Beck insulted him and ridiculed him. Glenn should be ashamed of himself. 

      Hope you both are doing good. 

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    • Libertarian
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 2:14pm

      @Okie,

      You are absolutely correct.
      What was disingenuous about Glenn’s criticism of Ron Paul was that he approached this serious debate from a comical “Jon Stewart” perspective on his radio program, he should have explained why Ron Paul was wrong in a constitutional manner and let the debate begin.

      He never made an “original argument” for citizen-terrorist assassinations.

      I love you Glenn, but you were wrong here.

      great post Okie

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    • Norm D. Plume
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 6:30pm

      It is evident that Beck is naught but a shill for the Neo-Con types.

      It’s aggravating, because he comes _sooo_ close to getting it right. He and Savage both annoy me in this way. They come close, but then they cower like frightened little children as soon as the name of the boogie-man is mentioned.

      I wish they’d just grow the Hell up, and stop being cowards. Muslim terrorists are NOT a real concern for us. THEY cannot deprive us of our rights and liberties. Only WE can do THAT. And cowards like Beck will ensure that we DO IT.

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  • Redscot
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:01am

    This is when you know it is time to clean out the politicians and start over with a new bunch who know who is boss, the American people.

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  • Mandors
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:01am

    The use of aerial drones has from its inception been on shaky constitutional grounds. That is why President Bush declared a “war” on terror. It gave him constitutional powers to defend threats against the US and its interests. That power is questionable when it comes to US citizens, even murderers like Awlaki. LIke it or not, all US citizens are protected under the constitution wherever they are. However, we can and should revoke that citizenship for acts of treason, which we should do in cases like Awlaki, that is another matter, and what US policy should be. There should be an open and public proceeding, stating the grounds for treason, canceling the traitor’s passport and revoking his citizenship. I think both sides of the aisle would support that. Operations against terrorist offend take months and years to plan anyway, so the procedure could be parallel with the hunt. Going about it this way, we as nation can then say with confidence in similar cases that “this was a former citizen who plotted to commit, did commit and was in the process of committing terrible crimes against his country, so he was terminated on the field of battle to protect the security and interests of the United States.”

    No smoke, no equivocation, clear confident statements. When we don’t play by our rules, for whatever reason, the constitution and its protections are diminished.

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    • COFemale
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:30am

      That is where you are wrong. You are not protected in foreign lands. All the U.S. can do, if able and they care, is try to get you released and under U.S. court system. There is no guarantee. Just look at Amanda Knox, Midnight Express guy, Iran hikers etc. You break the law in a foreign country and you are under their rules regardless of being U.S. Citizen. So you may want to rethink your stance and educate yourself.

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    • Nlitend1
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:36pm

      That was the smartest comment I’ve ever read on this site. Thank you

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    • Nlitend1
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:47pm

      @cofemale
      We ARE protected by the constitution wherever we are (protected from our own government because that is what the constitution applies to). Obviously the constitution does not apply to foreign governments, why would it? He is saying that this is right of citizenship, and Americans are protected against any unconstitutional action that our government would attempt. So, to deny them their citizenship (for cause) is the only proper way of bypassing this right. Very simple, very smart, and most of all it would be legal and effective.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 2:52pm

      @Mandors
      LIke it or not, all US citizens are protected under the constitution wherever they are. However, we can and should revoke that citizenship for acts of treason, which we should do in cases like Awlaki, that is another matter, and what US policy should be. There should be an open and public proceeding, stating the grounds for treason, canceling the traitor’s passport and revoking his citizenship.
      ———
      Absolutely. But these libertarian extremists would still object. They want America to commit hara-kiri. We cannot declare war on Islamism because it is an ideology, so let’s box ourselves in and die an “honorable” death.

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    • rabblechat
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 3:32pm

      And who gets to decide who is guilty of treason? What would keep this from becoming like the warrant-less wiretaps? I could see the argument being made now: ” we have Joe Smith, the leader of the Tea party cell in Podunk, GA in our sights, we don’t have time for no stinking trial”…
      If you let them compromise you integrity, morals and Constitution once how can you keep them from doing it anytime they want?

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 5:29pm

      @rabblechat
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 3:32pm
      And who gets to decide who is guilty of treason? What would keep this from becoming like the warrant-less wiretaps?
      ————–
      My beef with Ron Paul and his supporters is that they (you?) suffer from interventionism paranoia and thus want to render America inoperative in a world where we can no longer afford to be one step behind our deadly enemies.

      There is a legal process which Obama should have followed from the day he took office, but he has a cowardly, dictatorial heart and the media to back him up, so he never bothered. Keep one thing in mind. Obama and his radical machine don’t play by the rules, so they will come after us REGARDLESS of what other presidents have done or what the Constitution stipulates. This discussion is worthless, because no matter how far we have drifted from the original intent of the Constitution, unlike any other POTUS in American history, **this man intends to destroy our Republic**. It is that simple. We are at a crossroads. So, Paul supporters can either support whoever the Republican Party nominates or they will be in essence voting for the traitor in the name of Constitutional purity. Ironic, don’t you think?

      You might enjoy this article. It is written by a self-professed “civil libertarian.”
      http://www.juancole.com/2011/10/al-awlaqi-should-have-been-tried-in-absentia.html

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    • Norm D. Plume
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 6:06pm

      The actions overseas are still unconstitutional.

      The President CANNOT, according to the Constitution, declare a State of War. THAT power is held by the Congress in joint session.

      It has not been done since WW2.

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    • Norm D. Plume
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 6:10pm

      Paul does not advocate isolationism, nor does he advocate weakness in our defense.

      He advocates following the procedures laid out in the Constitution.

      He is not anti-war. He just believes that we should follow our own rules when engaging in war.

      And we have not. Neither under Bush, nor under Obama. In fact, not since WW2 have we actually followed the clear procedure laid out in our own rulebook for taking this country to war.

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  • sb36695
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:00am

    Welcome to the USSA! Thanks Obama voters.

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    • stopspendingourmoney
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:06am

      This is why we need Ron Paul as pres. restore America, Vote Ron Paul 2012.

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    • JLGunner
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:33am

      @stop Once again, Ron Paul actually believes the government was behind 9-11. He also believes it’s ok for Iran to have a nuke. Ron is not the answer.

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    • Delete the Elite
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 1:17pm

      @JLGUNNER
      Quote him in the full context or do not quote him at all. That is how you “spin” a story.
      After you see what he said about 9/11, look up the Awalaki videos and listen to WHY he said he despises America (and it is not because of our freedom).

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    • Libertarian
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 1:23pm

      @gunner,

      Read his website! He has a stance on it contrary to your assertion.

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    • stopspendingourmoney
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 1:27pm

      JLGunner
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:33am
      @stop Once again, Ron Paul actually believes the government was behind 9-11. He also believes it’s ok for Iran to have a nuke. Ron is not the answer.

      So who is then JL gunner sense you know so much? LOL!! I keep hearing anti Paul people like you saying no no Ron Paul no can’t do it, but yet you have no reason why he can’t, he follows the constitution and knows it better than anyone running, he also has a good understanding of the forefathers and understand economics, so you would have us do go to war with Iran? so we can be in 3 to 4 wars that we can not even afford now, the fact is Russia is helping them with there reactor there is almost nothing we can do unless you want to be in a 3rd world war, lets let Israel covertly eliminate the problem, how can we fix the world when we as a nation are broken? we need someone as pres that can restore some constitutional sanity in the Whitehouse, and there is no one running at this time better than Ron Paul..

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  • Tom K
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:57am

    First the Obama Care “Death Panel” and now this. What would this grim group be called since Death Panel already has been taken ?

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:04am

      Where’s all the neocon warmongering bootlickers to hero-worship their corrupt Federal Thugs?

      SECRET ENEMY LISTS!

      SECRET ASSASSINATION LISTS!

      SECRET FEMA DETAINMENT LISTS!

      THIS IS A NAZI POLICE STATE!

      RESIST!

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    • Nlitend1
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:05am

      The death panel provision in the health care bill never actually existed. I know you are ‘joking’, I think, but it is precisely that type of misinformation that creates these everlasting myths and are perpetuated by the ignorant. Isn’t there enough to criticize about the president for you to stick to facts.

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    • quickstudy
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:08am

      I like the name another poster suggested… “Obama’s List”

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    • quickstudy
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:12am

      How funny… liberals argue that because the “death panels” haven‘t been implemented YET because the healthcare plan hasn’t gone into effect YET, they don’t exist and hence nobody can talk about them. Of course that’s only until families are suing the government to get care the government has deemed too expensive and decided that uncle Joe just needs to go. And now Obama has his own little list of Americans he can KILL. No trial… nothing. Just KILL.

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    • Fly Old Glory 24/7 365
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:33am

      Call them Community Organizers…

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    • JackDamaris
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:54am

      Good point, we need to remember things like the death panel. It is still told by many that it never existed. We know however that it was established with the bills for Obamacare. Obviously it wasn’t call a death panel, but the results of a panel determining your ability to receive certain medical care depending on how much your worth to the government means the same thing.

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    • Nlitend1
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 1:19pm

      Wow you people are misinformed. I was thinking the first comment was joking about the death panel…I should learn never to mis-overestimate you people.
      I guess medicaid has death panels too, since they allow states to opt out of certain coverages that are deemed too expensive. States usually don’t do this…except Arizona, which recently refused to cover transplant surgeries for needy recipients. Governor Brewer decided this was a good cost cutting measure in order to keep the ever-expanding health care costs down in that state. I don’t know how many have died already. obama care would actually stop this practice and lower the cost of transplants at the same time.
      This is a fact, whereas death panels are a myth. But i’m sure you can dismiss this by simply insulting my character…which you know nothing about.

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  • Delete the Elite
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:53am

    This is how tyranny starts. Some of you people need to snap out of it.

    “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”

    I love my country, but fear my government.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:02am

      By the time you get to citizen assassination lists, you’re already living in tyranny for quite a while. You probably don’t realize it though, but it‘s a sure sign that it’s entrenched already.

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    • Delete the Elite
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:06am

      I agree. Yes, I saw it coming as well.

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    • Nlitend1
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 1:34pm

      this is how it starts, huh? It didn’t start when they passed the patriot act? Or, in the 50′s when they spied on citizens suspected of being communists? Or, in the 40′s when the government interned 120,000 americans of japanese descent? Or, during WWI when congress passed the sedition act, or when they passed the war power act or when lincoln suspended habeas corpus or the passing of the subversive activities control act or when the founders wrote article I section 8 of the constitution??? NO, THIS IS HOW IT STARTS!

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    • Delete the Elite
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 2:35pm

      @NLITEND1
      Friendly Fire, buddy.

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  • Godsman
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:51am

    First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out – because I was not a communist;
    Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out – because I was not a socialist;
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out – because I was not a trade unionist;
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out – because I was not a Jew;
    Then they came for me – and there was no one left to speak out for me.

    Pastor Martin Niemoller

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    • Nlitend1
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 2:15pm

      I love that quote.
      People ask me why I don’t hate the muslims, since I am jewish, and I always think of this quote.

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  • YUP YUP
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:51am

    Hopefully they will put Soros, and any other anti-Founding Father, anti-
    American, anti-capitalist, Anti-small government, Pro-big government, Marxist/Socialist/Communist/Anarchist/Che revolutionary lovers, Union thugs, Bill Ayers & Bernadine Dohrn on that list too……… Oops, Did I say that out loud? With that Caliphate in Chief as or president I’m sure I will be on that list next.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:57am

      Hopefully you say this in jest. There should be no lists…ever.

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    • YUP YUP
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:08am

      Of course that was in jest. I would never think that the Caliphate in Chief would take out his own evil minions.

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    • turkey13
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:12am

      Soros is on the 2nd page of obama’s pardon list. He has just started the 4th page. He is the first president to pardon himself. Biden and Holder are on the 3rd page down toward the bottom.

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  • BrandyWilson
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:50am

    Noe this says it all…America is on its way to becoming a Police State…Glen may need to REVISIT the whole FEMA Camp issue!

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    • motonutt
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:58am

      When obama cracks down on us with marshel law, of which if they crash wall street and our banking system it could be sooner rather than later, I will be on this list, and I will wear it proudly.
      And to the obama supporters out there….you had better get me before I get you. that’s all.

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    • YUP YUP
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:15am

      True dat!!!

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  • HisStoryUn
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:50am

    The US is said here to be following “international law” in this. So we are already a “one world government” country. It’s all over but the crying. May God have mercy on us all.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:56am

      And of course, when Ron Paul came out against this whole operation the Neocons (en masse) recited the mantra together…”See, he’s a kook.”

      First they came for….

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  • Jenny Lind
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:49am

    Holy cow! That scares the bejeebies out of me. This has the potential of being mis-used beyond belief, and the American people react when we kill someone like it’s a ballgame score. When this is decided it should be known to us, we should see the list, and we shouldn’t think this is a freaking game. Life and death and the deciding thereof sould be a very sober and serious thing. Let‘s just keep our eyes on this and make sure there isn’t a “domestic” list. I do not like this one bit.

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  • hauschild
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:48am

    Wow – this should get the Ron Pauler’s worked into a frenzy!

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:53am

      It should get any decent American worked into a frenzy actually. No government should be able to make an assassination target list of its own citizens. The very notion flies in the face of our heritage, our traditions and our Constitution. In my view, anybody who is not in a frenzy over this, is utterly un-American.

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    • qpwillie
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:58am

      Not to worry. Ron Paul will put on his Mighty Mouse outfit and save the day.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:59am

      Well said GoJ. Kudos.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:20am

      @Ghost — already raising the war cry here, to the fellow watchmen I am in contact with; come what may, I expect soon enough to be one of the first to go into the night with the civil war coming unless the Almighty interveins fully in the near future.

      Our country is now taking the storm full force, and people are still refusing to see what is happening, with the worse yet to occur…we now face a choice at the crossroads, turn left or right, light or dark, with no forward, we now have to chose…and God help us make the right choices.

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    • hauschild
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:54pm

      @Ghost

      You act as if we all were really free before this piece of info got leaked.

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  • DanWesson455
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:47am

    UH OH!!! EVERYONE ON THE BLAZE, save Rose_Ellen, is now on their hit list. Where are we going to BUNKER DOWN? to fight the last fight? I’d rather stand with most here than to fall as a farce to my beliefs.

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    • Norm D. Plume
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 6:36pm

      Actually, Rose-Ellen has elsewhere in this article deplored this kind of activity.

      So, she’s on the list, too.

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  • Libertarian B 4 Libertarians Were Cool
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:45am

    Our government is so corrupt! No oversight, no checks and balances. If the Constitution functioned as our founders intended, Obama would have been impeached and drummed out of office long ago.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:49am

      There’s more than Obama involved in this. The totalitarian police state apparatus has been being built piece by piece since at least the beginning of World War 2. As free as we think people were in the 1940′s, and they were compared to us that’s for certain, the Founders would have not recognized them at that time as anything approaching a free people. Imagine how we’d be viewed.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:54am

      I can’t help but wonder where all our neo-con friends are on this. You know the ones, the ones who love Bachman despite her voting for the Patriot Act. Heck, the ones that thought the Patriot Act was so great to begin with. The ones who let the zeal for killing terrorists obscure the “how” and event he definition of “what” a terrorist is.

      The only thing worse than a sheep is that when the sheep is confronted with the reality of his situation he placates and continues to walk up the chute.

      Just crazy.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:01am

      You can help an honest man who makes an honest mistake, but there is no helping the willfully blind I’m afraid.

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  • Eliasim
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:44am

    What does the Holy Bible say about numbering people? It says: And Satan stood-up in David, and caused him to number the children of Israel.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:44am

    Personnaly, as much hell as I have been raising agianst the administration lately, I wonder how long it will be before my round comes on the list to be “detained or killed on sight…”

    God help us, this President has more and more blood on his hands with each passing day.

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  • bhelmet
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:43am

    NOTHING to be worried about here.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:42am

    Glenn, you better go underground until we get this joker out of office.

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    • Norm D. Plume
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 6:38pm

      Why? Glenn is marching lock-step with this administration (and the last) on all the points where it matters.

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  • ares338
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:40am

    This is nothing new. It’s the way all governments operate.

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  • EqualJustice
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:37am

    I ALWAYS wondered what they meant when they said someone is on the “U.S. KILL LIST”…. like who decides that?

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:37am

    .
    How much you want to bet all us Blazer’s are on that list?………….

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:51am

      Doubtful. These kinds of lists are historically tailored for very influential people of high renown or high influence. At least at the beginning anyway. They don’t care about us small fry, the water cannon rabble, until much much later, and then only when a few remain who might still dissent.

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    • kickagrandma
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:11am

      I’d bet we all are in a NY minute. After all, that’s how one hunts turkeys, right? You don’t start at the head of the line of wild turkeys, but at the rear of the line so that those in front have no idea they are being targeted and picked off….

      PRAY ON, AMERICA!

      GOD KNOWS WHERE HIS KIDS ARE, every minute of every day, and HIS PRECIOUS EYES ARE ON US.

      “TRUST AND OBEY FOR THERE’S NO OTHER WAY TO BE HAPPY IN JESUS, THAN TO TRUST AND OBEY.” (Not sure of the exact words…am writing from memories of almost 50 years ago in a wonderful Baptist Church).

      GOD BLESS YOU, BLAZERS AND PROTECT YOU IN THE coming storm. The battle IS THE LORD’S.

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