Rev. Franklin Graham Refuses to Say Obama & Romney Are Christians During Contentious MSNBC Interview
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Awkward and uncomfortable interviews aren’t rarities in the wonderful world of media. But Rev. Franklin Graham’s (son of famed evangelist Billy Graham) appearance on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” today certainly distinguishes itself, particularly due to the nature of the discussion: The faiths of President Barack Obama and the GOP presidential contenders. During the contentious interview, Graham declined to say whether he believes Obama is a Christian — a refusal that led to both confusion and angst among the show’s hosts.
“Do you believe that President Obama is a Christian?,” co-host Willie Geist asked.
“I think you have to ask President Obama…I think people have to ask Barack Obama — he‘s come out saying he’s a Christian. So, I think the question is ‘What is a Christian?,’” Graham responded.
Geist pushed the faith leader on the question, appearing visibly surprised by his refusal to say, definitively, that Obama is, indeed, a believer. In reaffirming his refusal to confirm Obama’s faith, Graham, cited the president’s description of how he became a Christian — a story that allegedly focused more upon his community organizing than it did a heartfelt connection to the Almighty.
“So therefore by your definition, he’s not a Christian?,” Geist continued, with Graham again saying that he cannot answer that question on the president’s behalf.
Here’s the entire segment (but continue reading, below, for more on the banter):
If this weren’t awkward enough, Geist and other co-hosts asked Graham whether he believes Rick Santorum is a believer. In this instance, the faith leader didn’t waste much time in responding: “I think so.”
Naturally, Geist asked why Graham was able to answer for Santorum, but not for Obama.
“Well, because [Santorum's] values are so clear on moral issues,” Graham responded (later in the interview, Graham also said that he believes Newt Gingrich is a Christian – based on the fact that he’s said he is).
“[That's] an amazing double standard that you just applied,” said so-host John Heilemann. “Your reaction to the difference — The question about Rick Santorum and President Obama, I think, just exposes an incredible double standard you’re applying to those people. They’re exactly the same situation!”
At one point in the middle of the interview, co-host Alex Witt chimed in, asking, “Reverend, what about Mitt Romney…is he a Christian?” Here‘s how the dialogue surrounding the top GOP contender’s faith unfolded:
GRAHAM: “He’s a Mormon.”
WITT: “But he‘s said that he’s part of the Judeo-Christian faith. Do you take him at his word?”
GRAHAM: “No, but most Christians would not recognize Mormonism as part of the Christian faith.”
WITT: “So, he is not a Christian?”
GRAHAM: “Of course they believe in Jesus Christ, but they have a lot of other things that we believe in, too, that we don’t accept theologically.”
The hosts — particularly Geist — was flabbergasted, it seemed, that Graham was willing to reaffirm Christianity in Gingrich and Santorum’s lives, but that he was not willing to do the same for President Obama and Mitt Romney (it’s important to note that Graham has said numerous times that it is permissible for evangelicals to vote for Mormons). When Geist, once again, raised the issue and called out what he saw as a double standard, Graham spoke about the president’s focus on the “Muslims of the world.”
“Under…President Obama, the Muslims of the world — he seems more concerned about them than the Christians that are being murdered in the Muslim countries,” Graham responded.
ThinkProgress created a compilation of these discussions, below:
This on-air incident follows Santorum’s flap over the weekend surrounding whether he believes Obama is a Christian. However, this isn‘t the first time Graham has questioned the president’s faith. In April 2011, he made similar comments about “the definition of a Christian” during an on-air back-and-forth with MSNBC‘s Lawrence O’Donnell.
It seems on the faith front, President Obama just can’t catch a break.
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Comments (1382)
Willdit
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:54pmThank you Reverend Graham! Finally a man of faith sees through Obama!
Report Post »MonkeyBeagle
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:59pmMSNBC is disguisting, they fired the only open minded fair man on the network. Grahm should of told him how the national whitehouse prayer has been canceled under Obama, but Obama has not missed a single muslim holiday in the whitehouse. Rev. Grahm was being nice, but then again surrounded by those lions in that den, I suppose he would have to be nice.
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:00pmfranklin graham is one stupid dude.
Ari Ben TZion
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:01pmSaddam Hussein Obama is not a Christian. I think the antithesis is true though:
He hates the Judeo-Christian values and beliefs.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:07pmRIVERDOG….you‘re not the brightest so I won’t belabor that atrophied organ you have lodged on your skull with too much. Graham is spot on about the current campaign of violence throughout the muslim world being carried out against Christians. As I said..you‘re not very bright so I wouldn’t expect you to have the breadth of knowledge Graham displays here.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:10pmAgreed ARI….at best Barry is an agnostic but most likely an atheist. I’m particularly amused by his “walking to church” everytime he needs a photo op to “demonstrate” that he’s Christian. He adopts the Jewish custom of walking to temple for his supposed Christian church going. Almost as funny as Newsweek running a picture of him in a yarmulke and telling jews he‘s the best friend they’ve got.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:40pmThe subliminal. Ask yourself why MSNBC chose to use a star of David, Jewish symbol, in the title piece, when a Christian minister is speaking and Jews make up 1.7% of the population. Commonsense would have used a cross.
Report Post »The never ending self-promotion of the very small minority group with power way out of proportion to their numbers.
WhiteFang
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:43pmA Christian is a person who is trying to be a footstep follower of Jesus, the Christ (anointed one) of God.
Some do it better than others, but God will determine that who is a Christian.
Report Post »Me, you, or anyone else, are not qualified to judge a man’s heart.
kswitzer
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:43pmRiverdog. Graham is totally correct in his assessment that Obama has been much more concerned with the well being of Muslims than Chirstians. Look at the attempted genocide of Chirstians in Egypt, to name one. He felt the immediate need to assist the Muslim Brotherhood in overtaking a friendly regime, and replacing it with one, who wishes for the demise of all Christians.
Report Post »Miami
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:46pmriverdog1
Really, yet the liberal machine thought enough of him to bring him to Marxist network too voice his opinion./ When was the last time anyone called on you for your’s…?
Report Post »jzs
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:48pmYou’re right Ari. Jesus was all about helping the poor, healing the sick, loving and making peace with our enemies. You don‘t see any of that in Obama’s policies. Only Republicans favor those things.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:50pmMatthew 7:16 “You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?”
Report Post »Matthew 7:1 “Judge not, that you be not judged.”
Romans 14 “But him that is weak in faith receive ye, yet not for decision of scruples. One man hath faith to eat all things: but he that is weak eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth set at nought him that eateth not; and let not him that eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest the servant of another? to his own lord he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be made to stand; for the Lord hath power to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord: and he that eateth, eateth unto the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, unto the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and none dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; or whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
TomFerrari
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:51pm(continued)
Report Post »But thou, why dost thou judge thy brother? or thou again, why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment-seat of God. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, to me every knee shall bow, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then each one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge ye this rather, that no man put a stumbling block in his brother’s way, or an occasion of falling.
Zenzazin
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:51pm@MonkeyBeagle – “…Obama has not missed a single muslim holiday in the whitehouse.”
Report Post »Really? Which holidays are you referring to? I don’t remember ever hearing of Obama fasting and praying 5 times a day for the month of Ramadan, nor did he slaughter, cook, and give the meat of a goat to the poor and homeless for Eid al Fatar. yet, he did have a christmas tree in the whitehouse…
Bro. Chuck
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:52pmAmen, Brother…..
If there is any doubt…..
just let Obama provide his own testimony…
most Christians?
(even that term now causes some of us to cringe because of how its been “miss-used” in the generalizations….)
most true believers will not hesitate to testify…
most understand the purpose of testimony.
if the obama’s were believers?
you would hear it in their speech…
see it in their manners and the way they conduct themselves….
sorry,
all I hear are crickets….
Far be it from me to judge – that is the Lord’s domain….
but I leave it to Ruach HaKodesh to reveal these things.
I rely upon El’Ohim to give me the wisdom and discernment.
He is Faithful to give us what we need to understand.
There are many who call upon the name of God…
who claim to “know” Jesus -
they may know of Him….
There are those today that say they “know” George Washington…
yet no one today can make that claim.
they only know “of” George…..
Yet our Savior and Messiah YahShuah is known to those of us who put our faith and our lives into His Hands…
I’d go so far as to say maybe our first family may be “Christians” religiously….
but even then, most folks see right through that, and see they are not “religious” Christians….
but I keep prayin’ for them…..
Be Bless’d in YahShuah!
Bro. Chuck
Report Post »Miami
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:54pmPeople please get it through your heads, “Black Liberation Theology” or “Liberation theology” has nothing to do with Christianity. It is a Marxist doctrine put in place to pervert Christian beliefs’ and BLT adds the Black Muslim doctrine too the mix. Dr James Cone’s own words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1X5sZ6Q4Fw
Shirley in USA
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:56pmI congratulate the Reverend on seeing through Obama’s word to notice his actions. However, I am sick to death of evangelical preachers telling the world that Mormon’s are not Christians. Even the definition he gave of what is Christian is applies to Mormons. Mormons are Christians!
Shirley in USA
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:58pm@Miami
Report Post »Thank you for voicing this! How true it is!
Miami
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:58pmjzs
No Christ was for the poor helping themselves. Not creating beggars, a hand up not a hand out…!
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:05pmHow come none of you are agreeing with what he said about mormonism…he’s right about that too!
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:06pmLove you, Brother Graham. Never let the Pharisees in the MSM subvert the truth. Nice job. Well done.
Report Post »afishfarted
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:08pmI don‘t know about ya’ll, but the parrellels between this interview and the Pharisees questioning Christ, and trying to trip Him up with their “trick” questions is amazing.
Report Post »OccupyWashington
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:08pmHahaha!! That’s great! I love the Msnbc interview with Franklin Graham!!! They have no clue that Obama is Muslim! We have a Muslim President, who is trying to weaken and kill this country, and Msnbc just can get it!! LOLOLOL!
Santorum 2012!!
Report Post »D-Fence
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:10pmObama is a liar. Slick Willy Geist and his esteemed socialist / atheist panel are no more Christian than Obama.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:14pmLOL….Obama’s policies JZS amount to allowing the state to take from whoever it deems it should take from for the government to distribute that wealth to whoever it deems it should go to. This includes taking consitutional protections away from churches as we’ve just seen. I somehow can‘t believe that giving billions of dollars of taxpayer money to pet companies like Solyndra and Lightsource and subordinating those loans so that Obama’s millionaire backers can save their investments while sqandering the tax payer’s money is helping the poor or the infirmed JZS. Well I take some of that back….squandering billions of dollars on companies that are clearly unable to sustain themselves could be interpreted as infirmed in the “quaint” relativistic way you liberal idiots have. You’re an idiot JZS.
Report Post »Ari Ben TZion
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:14pm@ jzs
You right, Democrats are just wonderful.
A good example of a loving democrat was Senator Robert Carlyle Byrd who was a member of the Ku Klux Klan and made numerous attempts to block civil rights legislation.
We need more Democratic politicians that are just like Senator Byrd.
Get your head out-of your culo.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:20pmThe Rev, is just proving that the legacy of his Father’s church is blind bigotry. While the right goes crazy with an issue country doesn’t care about religion, it looks like a banner election year for the democrates. The GOP is become the fringe party of religious zealots.
Report Post »freedomring
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:21pmBased upon Franklin Graham’s beliefs Obama is not a Christian. I concur. Based upon my understanding of the bible which is the book Christians use, it PLAINLY says “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved”. No where have I heard Obama say “Jesus is MY LORD”. He is quick to call the Koran “HOLY” but not the bible. He defends the Islam faith to the death and degrades the bible thumping, God fearing, gun toting people”. 15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
Report Post »21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
rose-ellen
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:25pmanyone who believes that there is more revelation [regardings God's plan of salvation for mankind]after Jesus Christ is not a christian.mormonism is outside of christianity.Mormonism is no more christian then islam -and islam reveres and honors christ as much as mormonism and in many aspects more the mormonism.[they honor Mary as catholics do]. it doesn‘t mean they shouldn’t be president -nor should being muslim disqualify one from being a good president but a mormon is not a christian.
Report Post »DandD
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:27pmCan we spell HYPOCRITE? Romney is as much a Christian as Santorum or Gingrich.
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:32pmnear as anyone can tell mr obama is nore of a christian than mr graham. and avengerk your bizare theories are pretty funny. i get a kick out of them.
Report Post »MYHEROISRON
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:35pmI chose, after watching OBAMMY these past years and listening to his lies, to believe that he is not a christian. OBAMMY was raised by his parents who were both communist’s, and he was raised in the muslim country of Indonesia, and to date the American people still know very little about OBAMMY. No, I feel quite confident that OBAMMY is light years away from being a christian. I believe he is a communist muslim.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:38pmLQQking at the comments in this thread it is apparent that many Americans have no clue what the Bible teaches about judging others.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:40pmlibs in the MSM are a hoot. They hate christians and christianity, but they want to sell us that Obama is a christian.
Kind of the like the tea party. they hated the tea party, callem them old, racist, out of touch. When the OWS came along, what did they say. they love the OWS, and said the OWS is just like the Tea party????? We thought the tea party was old and racist, and now you compare the group you support and love to the Tea Party – what gives.
Ask the MSM if they believe in creation or evolution. Then ask them which one they think Obama believes in evolution or creation. Christian believe in creation (no exception).
If you hit them up on tenants of christianity, then ask them which way the beleive Obama to believe, even the MSM will come to the conclusion that Obama is not christain.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:44pmAs I said RIVERDOG I won‘t belabor your atrophied brain with too much because you’re not very bright.
Report Post »The former President of Lebanon, Amin Gemayel stated, “Massacres are taking place for no reason and without any justification against Christians. It is only because they are Christians.” This can only be called religious cleansing on a vast scale.”
Church bombings taking place in Egypt.
In 2010, Iraq’s Christian leaders called off Christmas celebrations in the aftermath of a bloody assault on a major church. Chaldean Archbishop Louis Sako stated, “Nobody can ignore the threats…The situation of the Christians is bleak.”
There’s many more examples RIVERDOG…but an idiot like you can‘t process too much so we’ll leave it at these as a demonstration of your ignorance.
SREGN
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:44pmIn order to be a Christian, Obama would have to realize that Obama is not God. So far, Obama’s actions would indicate otherwise.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:46pmIts the racist Ranger Dan, who believes its a sin to marry outside of ones race, who would cherry pick the bible for the laws to follow or is ranger Dan okay with Honor Killing (the bible allows it),
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:47pmhere would be some very good question to put forward to the MSM and Obama
Does Obama believe in a litteral Virgin birth?
Does Obama believe that Jesus (and Jesus alone) paid the price for sin and is the only way to heaven? Or does he side with the false Prophetess Oprah in the take a little of this and a little of that?
does Obama believe the koran to be a false book, or equal to the Bible? any real Christian that believe the Bible, has to find the Koran to be false.
Does Obama agree with God that homosexuality is an abomination and a sin?
Does Obama agree with with the following verse ? 10For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat
does Obama Believe the Bible to be the actual word of God, or is it just a good book?
Does he believe in a literal creation? if so, does he believe evolution to be a lie and should public school continue to teach this lie?
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:49pm@ROSE-ELLEN
If there is no more revelations from God, how are prayers answered?
Would there be as many non-denominational churches if there leaders had‘t ’received revelation’ that they are supposed to preach the gospel?
Perhaps your argument is flawed…
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:54pm@ monkey. no obama DID NOT cancel national day of prayer. that is a total lie (you must listen to the fool beck) and no he doesn’t celerate muslim holidays (again stop listening to idiots) . man you guys will believe ANYTHING. funny funny funny.
brother_ed
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:55pm@JZS
That we are taught to help the poor, etc is not the question.
That Obama believes that is irrelevant.
The difference between a progressive and a conservative is WHO’s responsibility is it?
A Progressive believes that the government should provide the services.
A Conservative believes it is up to the individual or the church.
Report Post »Tandem2011
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:59pmYou don’t have to have religious faith to see through Obama.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:05pmrangerp
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:47pm
here would be some very good question to put forward to the MSM and Obama
Does Obama believe in a litteral Virgin birth?
Does Obama believe that Jesus (and Jesus alone) paid the price for sin and is the only way to heaven? Or does he side with the false Prophetess Oprah in the take a little of this and a little of that?
does Obama believe the koran to be a false book, or equal to the Bible? any real Christian that believe the Bible, has to find the Koran to be false.
Does Obama agree with God that homosexuality is an abomination and a sin?
Does Obama agree with with the following verse ? 10For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat
does Obama Believe the Bible to be the actual word of God, or is it just a good book?
Does he believe in a literal creation? if so, does he believe evolution to be a lie and should public school continue to teach this lie?
_______________________________
Bascially, according to Ranger Dan to be a Christian, you must believe in the same dogma as Ranger Dan. I guess if for Catholics, Ranger Dan is not a Christian, as He does not accept Catholic Dogma.
“ does he side with the false Prophetess Oprah in the take a little of this and a little of that”
Report Post »So you do not wear cloth made of different fibers, you believe its a-okay to stone someone that fails to keep the sabbith, you do not eat pork or other unclean meats?
FreedomPurveyor
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:07pmChris·tian [kris-chuhn]
Report Post »adjective
1. of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings
2. of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ
rangerp
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:09pmencinom
You are reaching my friend – show me honor killings in the Bible. You are confused, that is the Koran. Check news headlines on Google, and find me the last time a Baptist church in America took part in an Honor Killling, then try the same witth Islam. Come back with the results on that one.
On interacial marriage being non biblical – Never found that one, nor do I believe it. I think Moses married outside of his race. here is what I did state – while I have never found interacial marriage to be anti Bible- I do believe MTV had a goal of promoting young white girls from middle class to lay up with baggy pants, nappy braided getto thugs that are black. It helps dems get votes, and reshape the population of this nation. I have a very good friend that is black that is married to a white Panamanian woman. they are both very educated, and both good people. I attend a church that has numerous interacial couples, and they do not just attend, they are integral in the worship service, to include leading singing and teaching in the school
Report Post »whitebears
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:11pmOne that orays to allah is ib DEED muslem..and mormons are lockstep with masons..thats not fait Jesus The Christ
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:13pmI agree. As Christians, WE are supposed to use discernment,wisdom, to determine WHO are Wolves in Sheep’s clothing. Obama is one,based on his support of pro choice,and many other,anti-Christian views.. He is NOT a Christian,just because he calls himself one. Mormones can call themsleves Christians also, but their teachings are as far from TURE Christianity as one can get. Jesus and satan WERE spiritual brothers. Adam eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, being a GOOD thing for mankind. There are HUNDREDS of aberrant teachings from TRUE Christianity. Latter day saints,and who might THEY be?? Jesus visited with North American Indian tribes, of which there is NO,NADA,ZILCH historical,or Archealogical record. One could go on and on. Be NOT deceived, in the end days, MANY will come in MY name,deceiving many. Beware they are of their father, the devil
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:14pm@ENCINOM
“Bascially, according to Ranger Dan to be a Christian, you must believe in the same dogma as Ranger Dan. I guess if for Catholics, Ranger Dan is not a Christian, as He does not accept Catholic Dogma”.
I have no dogma, I have a Bible, It is pretty cut and dry, and it does not come from me.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
I am not to concerned with what the Roman Catholic Government believes, nor will I ever. I care what the Bible says. My Bible has nothing of purgatory, prayers to Mary, burning candles for the dead, the pope….. this are man made dogma.
Report Post »the old man
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:20pmFranklin is 100% correct. Mormons are NOT christians…they are Mormons. Obama professes to be christian when in campaign mode, but panders to Muslims behind the scenes.
Report Post »jelang
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:25pmWhether someone else is a Christian or not is between that person and God himself. I want each person, whether it is Mr. Obama or Mr. Graham to be a Christian.
As for the presidency being held by a Christian or not, I believe that there are several (if not many) of our past presidents who were CINOs (Christians in name only). But once again I state that that is/was an issue between them and God.
Report Post »montecarlo75
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:31pmDo you or anyone know the host religious affiliation or lack of? IM just guessing they sound like atheist or secular humanist.
Report Post »whkell
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:32pmthank you Franklin for finally ending this charade the Beck.“the LIE about being a Christian lives here”..Romney are those in their cult are Chrstians..they are no more a Christian than a Muslim is…
Report Post »Spark
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:33pm@The_Jerk … open your eyes … the banner had both a star of David and a cross
Report Post »SonClad
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:37pmAgreed – Franklin should not have capitulated to their pressure to answer affirmatively (good job Franklin). Instead, he should have asked the hosts what they mean by “Christan”. The real question is whether Obama is Muslim since he seems to behave in a manner consistent with that.
Report Post »Paydert33
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:37pm@RANGERP….“libs in the msm are a hoot”……your whole Post says it all. You hit-the-nail-on-the-head. Fantastic!!!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:46pm@ Ranger Dan:
The bible on honor killing (I guess you need to re-read the book)
But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. Deuteronomy 22:20-21
And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire., Lev 21:9
And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. Exodus 21:17
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. Leviticus 20:9
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:49pmGram Must Be Right
All of us know Obama was not born in the USA and we all know he is not Christian. Even Omar Gadaffi before Obama had him killed, said that Obama was the first Moslem President of the USA.
Report Post »workingbuckaroo
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:49pmThank you Rev. Franklin Graham. The wolves tried very hard to trip you up, but you stayed strong. It is a shame that so many people did not understand your message. In no way was anyone chocking Christianity down anyone’s throat. They ask a question then try to twist the answers into improper statements.
Obama has declared war on religions with his attack on Catholics. Obama’s attack has nothing to do with contraception. It is another government takeover now of sacred Christian beliefs.
Indeed this will be the dirtiest election year ever and the most important for our nations survival.
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:51pmIn 2008, the vote for Obama was a vote to elect the first Black Man even though Obama was half white. In 2012, the vote for Obama is to prove that he is is not Moslem.
Report Post »robgc1
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:58pmAmen Rev. Graham
Report Post »esse111
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:02pmThank You God for Your favor over the Reverend. His responses were honest and forthright. Obama has made moves that DO NOT reflect key and core Christian values, particularly protecting lives. Were are given a clear mandate as Christians to protect and defend the innocent. This one issue is enough to make one question a man’s Christianity, it is FUNDAMENTAL to a person’s service to Christ. That is why it is not strange nor a double standard. The bible clearly instructs us that we will also know a person by their FRUITS. We will look at their life and SEE EVIDENCE of their faith; namely, obedience to God. We don’t stand to judge, yet we must be discerning. To overlook Obama’s views and actions regarding abortion, contraception, and the Church, would be naive and dangerous. I cannot say whether Obama believes; but I don’t see substantial action to show that he indeed is submitting himself to Christ and walking out the faith. Thanks again Reverend. I especially appreciate that you spoke honorably of the President, even as you expressed your honest thoughts as you were poignantly questioned about him.
Report Post »ohmygoditisalive
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:02pmThe good guys will be happy when this is all over.
Report Post »Zer0
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:04pmI know it’s shocking for Progressives, Atheists, and Agnostics; but simply saying you‘re Christian does not necessarily mean that you’re one. Most who comment on this website can attest that I am far from a Social-Con, Bible-Thumper, etc but I have to agree with Graham (which I don’t always do) on this one.
One cannot support policies and practices that consistently run counter-intuitive to one’s self-proclaimed faith, and still be considered of that faith. Is someone a Muslim when they eat pork, they do not observe Ramadan, and they consume drugs, simply because they frequent a mosque?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:19pmZer0
Report Post »Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:04pm
I know it’s shocking for Progressives, Atheists, and Agnostics; but simply saying you‘re Christian does not necessarily mean that you’re one. Most who comment on this website can attest that I am far from a Social-Con, Bible-Thumper, etc but I have to agree with Graham (which I don’t always do) on this one.
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Does this not become an eye of the beholder issue, where the commentator is cherry aspect of Christanity and of the Person they are saying is or is not a Christian to fit their political view. Liberal Christians will look at Obama’s record on the poor and provide health care for the ill as be Christian, will the GOP candidates war chants being counter to Christ’s instructions to turn the other cheek. How can Newt, with his habit of abandoning his wives in their times of need. Also, different Churches teach different dogmas, the Catholics teach the need for good works and the scaraments, etc. the Episcapalins allow openingly gay and female priests. UCC churchs have stated a willingness to marry homosexuals. So who is to say who is a Christian, it is a matter of the biases of the observer.
AzDebi
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:20pmThe TRUTH has been so distorted in this world…NO ONE RECOGNIZES it when it is spoken! Satan is ALIVE and WELL..
1 Peter 5:8
King James Version (KJV)
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:22pm@ Rose-Ellen: “Mormonism is no more christian then islam” — WRONG again. In fact, exactly the opposite.
Mormonism does not have the Gnostic aspects of Islam. Gnosticism has an anti-creation/anti-physical perspective. It has its origins in Greek philosophy (mostly that of Plato and Aristotle) and was officially absorbed into “mainsteam” Christianity at the Council of Nicea where the man-created concept of the “Trinity” was adopted. Thus, the popular philosophy trumped God’s Word, and Paul’s prophetic pronouncement at 2nd Timothy 4:3 was profoundly realized: “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears”
Mohammed’s uncle was a Gnostic hermit — and Islam can be accurately described as “Arabic Gnosticism”. Thus, Trinitarian Christianity and Islam share more than do Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, etc.
Report Post »oneshiner
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:27pmJust one more reason I can’t stand MSNBC. It’s a gotcha, program. They did everything in their power to catch Rev. Graham, and I’d have answered the same, because you don‘t know a person’s heart……..we only know a person by the fruits of the Spirit and Obama hasn’t shown any fruits to my knowledge. But mine is not to reason why, I can only go by what the person does outwardly.
How can even Rev. Graham answer if Obama is Christian or not. Most of us know and see the same things, and they haven’t appeared to be led of God. I’ve had a problem getting out of my mind, Obama voting for late term abortions, and can’t get past this horrid murder of unwanted babies.
Report Post »mils
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:31pmI judge a person by their actions …not only their words. Obama falls short..remember the sweetest sound is that evening call to prayer…
RIGHT ON FRANKLIN GRAHAM!!
If Obama were helping our country to become a stronger country, in all ways, it would not matter if he fit in the christian box…but i think we fear the fact that he is a muslim and out to destroy our country.
I agree with Graham on all points about Obama.
Nikita Khrushcehv said they would destroy us from within…and that is precisely what is happening..because we keep our eyes shut until things slap us in the face..
Report Post »filiusdracul
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:34pmTo all those who think that Mormonism isn’t true Christianity, I have been studying Mormon doctrine for at least 25 years and I assure you that there are examples of all of it in the King James version of the Bible.
@Hollywood, There are hundreds of Mesoamerican artifacts referencing Book of Mormon subjects that have been unearthed. Do you know how to Google? Also, the Aztec legend of Quetzalcoatl describes a bearded white man bringing “knowledge” to the people.
“And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.” (Christ is saying goodbye to the apostles.)
Report Post »– John 10:16
blazingphil
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:39pmHe lifts weights rather than attend church on Christmas (Hawaii 2010). He celbrates Muslim Holy days. He quotes the Koran. He jokes to others that some Americans ‘cling to their bibles’, inferring how stupid we are. He can’t catch a break? If he saw a crucifix laying on the ground, he probably would start digging, because he thought x marks the spot! He is a godless, third trimester abortionist who says ‘I’ a thousand times in every “talk down to us” speech, he stumblly reads off of his telepromter. He attaches his name to everything that comes out of his administration.
Report Post »scottishobserver
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:41pmThis response is not specifically for any one person in particular. I wonder though what gives Mr. Graham the authority to decide who has confessed Christ, who follows his commandments, who provides Christian service….. I am a member of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter DAy Saints, I am a Christian, and what’s more, I dinny need Monsieur Graham or anyone else to tell me I am or I am not. One day, I will stand before Jesus The Christ, and He will be my judge. I encourage ALL who critisise the LDS Church, to actually read the Book of Mormon, and get on their knees and pray for inspiration, and if they do not come to the conclusion that the Church is true, then, if they are Christian, they will allow others to believe as their conscience chooses. Apart from that, as a Scot, I am appalled at the hypocrasy of those Americans who proclaim the land of liberty etc etc, and believe in the separation of Church and State….. and yet, hold religious believe as a major criteria for the office of President! Very strange, very strange.
Report Post »GollygeeMrwilson
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:52pmThat was just disgusting. Those evil men asking the questions are surely going to he-doublehockeysticks. I am simply repulsed by these progressive tools.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:53pm@Dandy – Mormonism not only rejects historic orthodox Christianity, their whole religion is based on the need for such repudiation.
Report Post »db321
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:55pmI would have said why are you asking me – I’m not the Judge – God is – If you say your a Christian then only God knows if you are – It doesn’t matter what I think – It only matter what God thinks and his word says that all will account for every word and deed they do in our life.
Report Post »Sandy in NewYork
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:58pmAmen to that! The Bible defines what is and what is not a Christian and whosoever that fits exactly the Biblical description of Christian is a Christian and the others are not. Period. Any theology NOT in the Bible is a false way.
Report Post »4areason
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:13pmDoes not the ear test words as the tongue tastes food? Job 12:11 Only a fool doesn‘t take the time to make a judgement call of whether a person’s words match his actions.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:17pmGollygeeMrwilson
Report Post »Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:52pm
That was just disgusting. Those evil men asking the questions are surely going to he-doublehockeysticks. I am simply repulsed by these progressive tools
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How dare someone challenge a politically motivated statement by a the good Rev. I eman we must bow down to him and just blindly accept his words without critical thinking,
rangerp
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:23pmENCINOM
Wow, I am impressed and proud that you are into the pages of the one Holy Book.
let me help you out though. You were in the books of the law (first four books). The children of Israel were under the law. We are now under Grace (New testament). Adultry is still a sin, so is homosexuality and so on, but we are not executing folks for it.
Check out John Chapter 8, when they brought the woman found in adultry to Jesus – So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. Notice they did not stone here, and Jesus told her to go and sin no more.
Now, once again, check Google headlines and find me a baptist church that is promoting honor killings, and tell me if you find any. Check that religion of peace (islam) and see if you find any there.
I really appreaciat the Bible verses, and look forward to more discussions with you.
Prov 27 7 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend
Report Post »lynskinners
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:24pmI appreciate Mr. Graham’s honesty. However, he could have turned the tables on those swine and simply asked them what THEY thought everyone was – Christian, Muslim, etc. He should have said “It matters not what I think or even what I believe a person’s religion is, it matters only to God – and the God I believe that it matters to is the God of the Bible.” And then went on to point out how Obama seems to be more protective of muslims than Christians.
Report Post »LOJ
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:25pmYou may judge a person by what kind of fruit they produce.
~Good Fruit~ No Good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart, his mouth speaks. Luke 6:43-45 Let me also give you another verse that is troubling to say the least:
Khabrein, July 25, 2009…Last week in Berlin Obama stated. “Walls separating Muslims, Christians, and Jews must be torn down.” Just what Wall is he referring to that divides Christianity from Islam and Judaism? THAT WALL IS JESUS. Islam and Judaism both rejected Jesus as the Messiah, the son of God, the Christ, the Savior of the world, God in the Flesh..1 Timmothy 3:16, John 1:1, and the only way to heaven. THERE ARE ONLY TWO WAYS TO BRING DOWN THE WALL DIVIDING CHRISTIANITY FROM ISLAM AND JUDAISM: 1. For muslims and Jews to accept Jesus as the Christ the son of God. 2. The other one, would be for Christians to stop believeing that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, the Christ.
Report Post »THE WALL: 1 Peter 2:7-8 “Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner and A Stone of Stumbling, and A Rock of Offense. Figur
Drives Like Jehu
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:38pmTo the lefties/pinkos/progressives/fascists/socialists/commies, being a “Christian” means constantly obsessing about the “poor” and their lack of worldly goods and redistributing other people’s wealth to “the poor” in a manner pleasing and beneficial to the redistributors. It must be hard work; I see where mrs comrade nero-bama had to take a ski vacation in Aspen after returning from a 17 day Hawaiian vacation last month. (Maybe she should have given all that vacation expense money to the “poor” instead.)
Report Post »SonOfThunder
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:38pmYes thanks for saying Mormons are not Christians. They follow a cult.
Report Post »richauthor
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:41pmCollective salvation, a term used by Obama to describe his “faith” many times is NOT Christianity, despite what he and/or others might proclaim to be a facet of Christianity. A Christian (including Mormons) is one who believes that Jesus Christ is the son of God and that he or she enjoys a one-on-on relationship with HIM as their PERSONAL savior.
Report Post »Zer0
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:44pm@Encinom,
Well said, all of your points are valid.
“Does this not become an eye of the beholder issue, where the commentator is cherry aspect of Christanity and of the Person they are saying is or is not a Christian to fit their political view. Liberal Christians will look at Obama’s record on the poor and provide health care for the ill as be Christian, will the GOP candidates war chants being counter to Christ’s instructions to turn the other cheek.” –
You are correct, you illustrated many examples of how politics are skewed by theological beliefs. Although, doing good works does not necessarily equate to being a person of faith. I agree with your point about (Progressive) Republicans contradicting their own beliefs when engaging in Imperilist wars; however, wars of defense is hardly ignoring the concept of “turning the other cheek”.
“How can Newt, with his habit of abandoning his wives in their times of need.”
I agree that one of Newt’s many short-comings is his lack of fidelity. Although, I think that the idea of Sin is being misconstruded with the idea of faith. I would question Newt’s self-procclaimed faith if he advocated infidelity as a policy or lifestyle decision.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:56pm@Ranger Dan,
If you are going ot say that you follow the Bible, than you must understanf that the Old Law and its punshments must still apply.
“Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets; I came not to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished” Mt. 5:17-18, “And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.” Lk. 16:17.
Were is it said that Christians can cherry pick which laws to follow and ignore the punishments associated with them. The truth is that the bible can not be taken literally and its only use is as a book of moral plays and stories to reflect on. Science has disproven the creation myth.
Report Post »Zer0
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:57pm@Encinom(cont.),
“Also, different Churches teach different dogmas, the Catholics teach the need for good works and the scaraments, etc. the Episcapalins allow openingly gay and female priests. UCC churchs have stated a willingness to marry homosexuals. So who is to say who is a Christian, it is a matter of the biases of the observer.”
Denominational beliefs are another good point you make. Still, the core of the debate is does the President extoll the virtues of a Christian? He shares some attributes, yes; a good family man, (claims) to care for the poor. Yet similarly he has far more attributes of a Secularist/Agnostic, which is okay. I do not predicate my notion of a good leader on their faith or lack thereof. Rather it is a matter of honesty. I believe GWB was a fairly decent Christian (I suppose), but was a poor leader.
Personally, I am indifferent to theological debates, as a whole. Only when it becomes a matter of liberty do I usually concern myself with such discussions (I feel the whole debate is probably more of a concern for Social-Cons and Obama supporters).
Of course this is all from someone who is not an expert in theology, and is a poor example of a Christian (which I am trying to suss out, lol). So take my opinions on the matter with a grain of salt.
Report Post »ILUVJESUS
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:57pmGraham told the simple truth. There is no truth at MSNBC.
Report Post »FastFeather
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:00pmIf Obama is a Christian, why did he give up his Christian name?
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:01pmencinom
not claiming that laws are ignored. Sin is still sin. We no longer sacrifice sheep, we can not eat pork…
Read the New Testament
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:02pm@encinom: Where does the Bible allow for honor killing, I’m curious?
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:06pmObama is NOT a Christian.
Report Post »He HATES Judeo-Christian values.
He’s a Marxist. Which, in my book, makes him a communist.
Communists don’t believe in God.
Under communism, religion is illegal.
Obama wants power. Islam wants power. It’s all about power.
mikec711
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:07pmRiverdog, perhaps you could expand on your comment? Any specifics as to why feel that way? Hard to argue with a fact-less case (and assertion-less other than the main assertion which of course then has nothing to back it up. If it is purely Christian-hating … you have a right to be a bigot against Christians … but just curious why you feel the way you do about a man who runs an organization that provides millions of dollars of charity annually to Muslim nations (when such opulent wealth exists in the Muslim world and charity is one of the 5 tenets of Islam … but somehow these particular Muslims do not get much help from their own). I’m sure you understand all of these intricacies .. so please enlighten me as to your opinion.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:24pmAl J Zira
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:02pm
@encinom: Where does the Bible allow for honor killing, I’m curious?
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From my earlier post:
The bible on honor killing (I guess you need to re-read the book)
But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. Deuteronomy 22:20-21
And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire., Lev 21:9
And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. Exodus 21:17
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. Leviticus 20:9
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:24pmIt’s been nothing but fun to watch the same people who want government out of religion chomping at the bit to shove religion into the highest governmental position in American.
Report Post »LibertyGoddess
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:26pmI love watching the thin-skinned evangelicals and protestants get on here and spew vile comments because they can’t stand the idea that someone else might believe differently than they do, yet they scream like a girl if some ani-Christian slight is made towards them in the media.
One thing is for sure, divided we fall. Knock it off evangelicals/protestants or you will find yourselves lonely and without support. You have 1200 factions within your “tent”. You can’t even agree among yourselves all of the time. Just because it makes you feel better to offend others, doesn’t make it right.
For sure your God brings out the worst in you. No thank you. My God is a God of love and kindness.
Report Post »greenivy
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:29pmGraham seemed nervous. I thought everyone was very nice to him considering some of the things he said. I think it is possible his brain isn’t quite right…after all, as he said his mom did lock them in the trunk when they misbehaved in the car…maybe lack of oxygen?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:31pm@Zer0
I mention Good Works cause it is a clear difference between the Born Agains and the Catholics. The Catholics believe that faith without a demonstration of that faith through charity and good works is meaningless, while Born Agains just need a proclaimation of faith.
“Denominational beliefs are another good point you make. Still, the core of the debate is does the President extoll the virtues of a Christian?”
Obama has said he is a Christian, his understanding of what a Christian is is based on the experience he had in his Church (U.C.C.). A Born Again use to the fire and brimstone of their mega churches will have another set of criteria for what makes a Christian a Christian, the Catholics another and the Gnostic yet another. It is all relative to ones denomination. This is a flase debate the Rev started that only demonstrates the biases on the observer, not the virture of the observered.
Report Post »too-oldpilot
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:33pmThe Bible says: “the disciples were called Christians first at Antioch”. Note that they didn’t create that name for themselves, it was given to them by others because their actions left no doubt that they were followers of Christ. A person can claim that name if they like, but people also lay claim to being war heros when they are not (isn’t there a supreme court case about that in progress).
Report Post »Also, some people always claim the tired old “Judge not, lest ye be judged” but those are not the complete quote…… it goes on to say that “HOW” you judge others, fairly or unfairly, will determine how you are judged, not that you should ignore actions.
The real test of Christianity is found in Matthew 7:16: “By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?.
What fruit have you seen produced?
tifosa
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:35pmI’d bet that the real Rev. Graham, with whom Franklin and Obama prayed, would denounce these statements.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:41pmIn my opinion, I believe that Rick and Ron are probably the only one on the stage that is even making an attempt to live a Christian life. Obama is a complete and total fraud and the Jewish Media has used him to push their Marxist agenda and to play him up as a Christian knowing damn good and well that it’s extremely partronizing to a discerning person.
Regardless Rick is wrong on the financial issues and he’s wrong in using the US Armed forces in policing the World.
Report Post »cuinsong
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:42pmIf this isn’t one of the most blatant one sided attempts to cast Nobama as a Christian I don’t know what is! I do not listen to morning joe and now I never will!
Report Post »Screw these people including Michael S. our former RNC chair go figure! I can only say Yea Franklin you set the libs strait!
May God give the listeners an understanding of what this bunch of closet Muslim’s represent so we can vote them out in 2012!
This song is for them called
“Their Wrong” http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_12090926
SFsuper49er
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:44pmA man of faith would not have the thought process he does …
Report Post »wefischers
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:50pmI think it was Jerry Reuben back in the 60′s who coined the phrase, “Don’t tell me what you believe! Show me what you do and I’ll tell you what you believe.“ In regards to Obama being a Christian I would say that his ”do” is not in line with Jesus Christ nor the Bible. To start with we all know that politicians are liars. Obama takes this to a whole new level. He cannot speak without lying. It could be on any number of subjects or promises or whatever. He does not tell the truth and is therefor a liar. Jesus said, “ye are of your father the Devil and the lusts of your father ye will do. When he speaketh a lie he speaketh of his own for he is a liar and the father of it.” If you speak lies there’s a good chance that Satan is your father. Obama loves keeping everyone in the Dark because that’s where he dwells. Jesus said that “men do not come to the light for if they did their deeds would be exposed as evil.“ We are to ”judge righteous judgement” and I would safely say that looking at Obama through the words of the Bible the man is a bare faced liar. And all those folks on TV asking Franklin Graham whether or not Obama is a Christian are liars as well. They know damn good and well who he is because they have the same father. What we are dealing with here today is the Children of light VS the Children of Darkness. God Bless Franklin for being civil. I wish they’d ask me on TV. They’d really have something to talk about then.
Report Post »carbonyes
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:59pmWhat a rabid bunch of fools on MSNBC! I’ll Say it again, “What a rabid bunch of fools on MSNBC. Every commentator was chomping at the bit to get Franklin Graham to affirm or categorically state that Barack Hussein Obama, the Muslim-in-Chief is a Christian. Reverend Graham held to his principles and would not state that he believes Obama is a Christian, based on Obama’s actions, e.g., not a supporter of Israel, but yet a supporter of Muslim Brotherhood groups taking over in north African states, killing Christians and Obama keeping silent(just like Muslim Raile Odinga of Kenya, whom Obama supported and Odinga lost and slaughtered Christians while Obama kept silent), not to mention Obama’s support for withholding medical treatment for babies born alive from botched abortions. OBAMA IS FLAT NOT A CHRISTIAN – PERIOD.
Sorry MSNBC, not buying into your ill fated attempt to try to cloth Barack Hussein Obama with the mantle of a Christian to enable him to get votes that the Muslim-in-Chief is in no way entitled, for Obama is in no way a Christian, and on that I would stake my life – no bones about it. Obama is a liar deceiver, a cheat and a fraud, any one of which would exclude him from Christianity. He has never received Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior. Being a Community Organizer has absolutely nothing to do with becoming or being a Christian. “You shall know them by their fruits.” Obama has no Christian fruits!
Report Post »TRUMPETCALL
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:59pm@ BRO CHUCK
Thank you, Brother Chuck, for voicing the correct terms! But please, Please, PLEASE! check your spelling: it is “Yeshua” – not “YahShuah” – when referring to our Messiah.
And yes, it *does* make a difference….
Shalom!
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 7:04pmIt used to be, not so long ago, that Baptists said Catholics weren’t christian, Catholics said Anglicans(Church of England) weren’t christian, Anglicans said Lutherans weren’t christian, Lutherans said Methodists weren’t christian, etc, etc, etc. Why? Because they were so stuck up on individual beliefs that they couldn’t agree to disagree, w/out being disagreeable.
Here we are again, bit instead of blasting each other they’re damning other groups. Why can’t people see how they are being used by the left and by satan? He loves contention & ill feelings: “Christians” condemning others to hell because of their different beliefs. Well, I guess we’ll all have a lot of company there. Hypocracy is all over these comments such that I wonder who is really writing them: real folks or operatives of the left. I have studied all the major christian churches. Each claim biblical authority. I decided how I wanted to worship but I respect and am happy for all my Christian Brothers that they have faith and are trying to follow Christ.
Let’s understand something–this election is not about whose religion is “right”. It’s about replacing a president that has hurt this nation beyond belief and restoring the economy to a free market, capitalist system. Don’t get manipulated by the left. They know how to divide and conquer. Don’t fall into their trap. Whether Obama is a christian or not doesn’t matter. He’s gotta go! ABO2012
Report Post »Hobbs57
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 7:04pmShouldn’t even waste my time with you sick ***** Evangelicals, the only ones who believe they have specific privileged to God. A concept which in itself demonstrates the extent of wickedness, pride, and ego saturated in your ranks. Which is all fine and dandy, as I am very secure in my faith, as most are ,it is ONLY the Evangelicals who never appear to be. Always on the attack and sadly, claiming ownership on Christianity. All of you are such a sad bunch, you will have you due, especially according to your concepts and interpretation of the bible. Heck, I am surprised you aren’t burnt don right where you stand , according to your dogma. Your leaders, such as Graham, reflect the #1 reason a great many Americans have come to despise religion. I assure you, it is only you Evangelicals who cause all the problems for the rest of us. Clearly , you have no true understanding of the spirit and the power there in. What a tough life it must be to not have an intimate relationship with your creator. SO much so, you have to attack every other sect of faith because of your insecurities. Blaming everybody in the world while walking in sin. Driving your children to suicide, drugs and alcohol, and a life of condemnation because they aren’t in line with your version of God. This is because you are scared to death of God, because your religion is based in fear. Fear, the power of he who has been allocated the earth as his kingdom. The thief always accuse others of stealing. Look in the mirr
Report Post »unpursesuit
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 7:12pmdo these people need hearing aids or what? do they think that constant badgering of the reverend is going to make him change his mind? this is one of the most disrespectful interviews i have ever witnessed!! at one point , they actually enjoyed the attacking by smirking and laughing. rev. graham, i commend you for staying strong and not wavering.
Report Post »David in MA
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 7:37pmObama makes a confession.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28
Hobbs57
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 7:39pmOne thing I can say about all these Christian Bigots is it will be you people who will usher in the 2nd coming of Christ. As all you be darned for you prosecution of others, the Salem witch trials all over again. Maybe if half of you would look to our true founders, those Puritans with Winthrop, read “ A Model for Christian Charity”, maybe you people would act and behave like real Christians should. Instead, you act like a bunch of angry fear mongering hypocrites. The same mentality of those who started the KKK. You have no more right to challenge Obama’s Christianity as you do to challenge the Mormons. You talk about the sickness of hypocrisy, to judge others, as if you are seated at the right hand of the father…. Never had I ever known, I mean I had many hints, but not until this election cycle have I come to know so many Christians were so wicked in their ways. I am a Christian, but I do not identify myself with you people, and may I apologize to all those of who you choose to be ignorant and chastise and discount their faith. How dare you, any of you. I suspect you will be very shocked when judgement day comes, not surprised because you know in your heart the true dictate of your conscious….. Except for the grace of God, there go I !!
Report Post »balance2scale
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 7:48pmIf you all remember the interview with Hannady and Rev. Wright, Rev Wright said he based his religion, or teachings on teaching of a book written in the 50′s & 60′s. 20 years President Obama attended that church, Trinity. Rev Wright sent Obama out in the streets for Acorn(they lived by Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals) who praised the devil. Jessy Jackson was married in that Church. They, and they are not christians, have taken over Chicago.
Report Post »JimConstitution
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 8:11pmAll that that say Lord will not be accepted, said Jesus. Jesus told a ruler of Israel that he must be born again to enter the kingdom of heaven. That which is born of flesh is flesh, that which is born of spirit is spirit.
That of course holds true today.
That ruler had the same confusion as those on the msnbc show. He asked how could he return to his mothers womb to be reborn. Those that can see God in His creation and plan are not confused or shamed by the foolishness of the unsaved, non spiritual or worldly concepts of those that no not God in this spiritual way that leads to life everlasting. Why? Because before we became born of the spirit we had the same thoughts and know the difference.
Being mormon or catholic is not enough. When we are born we are flesh. Flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of God.
Without the spirit of God the Bible is just a book. This is the reason those that had questions for Graham could not receive his answers. The same thing happened to Jesus when speaking to the religious of the day.
Whether religious or secular (heathen) the mystery is the same. Spiritual answers will not satisfy fleshly questions of the nonspiritual (those not born of the spirit).
If Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich are born again its in spite of their cults doctrines not because of them.
Jesus is not the brother of satan. Mary, Peter, Paul or any other dead person should not be prayed to, worshiped, or considered for protection. There is no script
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 8:21pmriverdog1:MOST OF THE TIME, when I hear or read people say what you just said, IT TELLS ME THAT THEY ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN, nor do they believe in the Almighty God, creator of heavens and earth.
You are a very IGNORANT man. And, most ignorant men/women have no idea what they are talking about. They get their talking points from hearsay or 2nd-hand information.
I am so grateful that the majority of Americans ARE NOT AS IGNORANT AS YOU.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 8:21pmbtw, WWTFFS: The Founding Fathers Would Say IT DOESN’T MATTER! as they were Deists #gianthypocrisy
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 8:25pmIf you do not follow the Holy Bible and do what Jesus asked you to do, then YOU ARE NOT ONE OF HIS. Is that not clear enough for you? Now, along with that comes, WHAT GIFTS HAVE GOD BLESSED YOU WITH THAT YOU USE for HIS GLORY and not your own? Mmmmmmmm?
The true test of your faith is BELIEVING that God is more powerful than you or any man and THAT HE WILL DO AND HAS DONE WHAT HE CLAIMS IN THE BIBLE and that you will follow HIM until the day you die, against all odds. And, it only takes TINY LITTLE BIT OF FAITH to believe, according to God. That tiny, tiny faith IS…….taking that first step towards Jesus and His salvation. PERIOD.
NEED MORE CLARIFICATION? Read the Bible and you will find it.
Report Post »western_red
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 8:30pmObama himself said in his “Dreams From My Father” auto biography, than he would “come down on the side of the muslims”. Morman religion holds that Jesus is a prophet/man and that women get to “A” heaven if their husband wants them. Both sound like a man-made religion and clearly not what Christ/God said was that “no man comes to MY father, except thru me.” Yea Franklin!
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 8:36pmfreedomring:
I do believe you summed it up perfectly. I will NEVER call myself a Christian. It is a medeival name that does not do proper and correct justice to FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST. I am NOT a Christian and true people who read their Bibles daily and pray daily are FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST. Those who do not read their Bible and pray daily are CHRISTIANS and are lukewarm. You may get to Heaven, but you will have a pathetic testimony to the Lord Jesus Christ on Judgement Day (White Robe Judgement). Yup, I am afraid you will be at the back of the line.
As for Obama, HE IS NOT A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST. I hope someday the Spirit of God can get thru to him, but as long as he has this happy-go-lucky lifestyle of spending the people’s money wherever he want, including all these vacations and giving it to others without the taxpapers’ agreeing to it, THEN HE IS NOT DOING THE WILL OF GOD, THE FATHER. He is doing the will of Satan. May God forgive him for LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
Obama is a liar, born of the devil and that is THUS SAYETH THE LORD. Don’t forget, the devil can come to man as a bright light, which the man will believe as being an angel or God Himself. The devil TRICKS AND DECEIVES, which is what Obama has done since he took office. If he has lied about 1 thing, he has deceived us about all things. MAY GOD FORGIVE THIS SORRYFUL, PITIFUL MAN.
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 8:41pmYou WANT TO KNOW WHAT MORMONS BELIEVE???????
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament?lang=eng
Report Post »jzs
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 8:44pmAVENJERK, I want to tell you that there are medications available that will help you focus on the topic at hand rather than go off on some unrelated tangent. I guess you don’t like me talking about philosophy of Christ, so you want to talk about something else. Okay, I’ll indulge you. I’ve read about ADHD and sympathize with your condition. Many people suffer from it, and you shouldn’t be ashamed.
You say that that the Affordable Care Act takes “consitutional (sic) protections away from churches.” No, Church’s are exempted. You don’t understand the discussion I take it. Church’s are exempt.
You also don’t realize that the US government is and has been paying the oil companies about 4 billion dollars a year in subsidies, even though they are making record profits and sticking it to you at the gas pump.
Avenjerk, you sound angry and full of hate. Maybe you should understand Christ better, who about “helping the poor, healing the sick, loving and making peace with our enemies” to quote your uncle jzs.
Report Post »Cosmos102
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 8:45pmWhen asked point blank if a man is a Christian, no one can respond with a yes or no answer, unless you know that person very well. One can only answer definitively, I know the man says he is a Christian. That’s what Rev Graham was trying to do. Being a Christian is not as simple as joining a church. It’s not a club or any physical organisation. Being a Christian is an individual thing, and it exists in your heart. You have to willingly come to it. Only God can judge what is in our hearts. But the Bible also says you can judge a man by his actions. There are many false prophets, and the Bible does warn of them. I personally do not believe Obama is a Christian man. I have seen no evidence of it.
Report Post »Knight Templar
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 8:50pmjzs Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:48pm
You’re right Ari. Jesus was all about helping the poor, healing the sick, loving and making peace with our enemies. You don‘t see any of that in Obama’s policies. Only Republicans favor those things.
That statements demonstrates definitively that you know nothing about Christianity or what Jesus taught. As stated elsewhere Jesus taught that it is the responsibility of the individual to see that these things are done. Since the federal government has horned in to this area it has become waste land of fraud and abuse that traps people in poverty rather than help them out. Obama’s policies will only continue that sad wicked trend.
Report Post »bba1950
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 9:01pmWhat a bunch of arrogant airheads. How would Franklin Graham know for sure that Obama is a christian???? the proof is in his actions. He rarely attends church, but he never misseas a chance to applaud a muslim holiday====
Report Post »Bro. Chuck
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 9:08pm@ TrumpetCall
Thanks, brother…..
I’ve had people correct me both ways though…..
but I see more using the “a”…
as in Yah is Salvation (Shua).
I’ll be sure to pray and do some extra research reading….
In the meantime…
Be Bless’d, Bro. ……
Adonai is hearkening unto us –
don’t let the distractions of this world keep us from pausing…
listening to Him and His Word…
the Whisperings and Nudgings of His Spirit….
I heard an interesting thing….
something about one of the Grahms being dismissed because of a comment about “many paths to God…..
My opinion?
Think a moment -
there are many roads with many people on them…
these are the ones seeking …
now look a bit closer-
there are some that are seeking the Creator…
Adonai Echad…
God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob….
who sent Meshiach that we could be restored unto Him.
these seekers…
they are also on many roads.
they are wearing clothes of many “denominations”…
they’ve been narrowed down to the Jews and the Christians -
still, many many roads,
but yet these have been moved through the Spirit of the Lord.
their pace is different…
their packs are different….
their gaze-
their vision…
markedly different too.
These will all come to one “final” TRUE pathway.
They hear, and diligently pursue The Source of the call…..
all the others?
They travel, but only with a “hope” that they will arrive at a place of their own design.
Be strong in th
Report Post »flodlite
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 9:18pmDr. Franklin Graham is being polite to Obama. Christians know that Obama is not a Christian. Obama is what ever or who ever he says he is. Who’s to disagree ?? He is president of the United States. Do you think Franklin Graham is going to call Obama a liar ?? Do you think Obama professed his christianity to Jerimiah Wright ?? Obama can call himself what he wants to call himself. The “proof’s in the puddin”. MSNBC did all it could to try & prevoke Dr. Franklin Graham. MSNBC failed. I wonder if Chris Mathews felt anything running down his leg after Obama’s name came up. Now this is MSNBC “fact”.
Report Post »Bro. Chuck
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 9:27pm@TrumpetCall…..
Thank you so much for the retort on that Spiritual Shofar, Bro……
yikes!
Renaissance occultists????
I appreciate the emphasis you put into your text….
I will stick with the “e”…
be Bless’d in YehShua!
Bro. Chuck
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 9:30pmOnly Christ knows if BHO is a Christian…I do believe Christ has his doubts too!
Report Post »Grey Eagle
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 9:35pmI agree with you. Rev. Graham called it like he sees it. Obama does not conduct himself like a Christian in his daily life. Romney is a Morman and by Evangelical standards is not considered Christian either. Rev. Graham essentially was saying that he could not make a determination about their status, that only the individual knows. Obama does make every Muslim Holiday, but has ignored the Christian ones. He acts more like a Muslim than anything else.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 9:40pmWhen Christ comes back who will make more money for preaching his gospel Franklin or Jesus?
Report Post »texaspeg
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 9:55pmAnd Rev. Graham wasn’t afraid to say what he thinks. No real Christian can believe Obama is a Christian. Everything about him spells Muslim.
Report Post »AntiObummer
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 9:59pmAmen! How many PMSNBC slim do they need to try and force Rev. Graham to say what their itching ears want to hear? How stupid to think someone with the Name Obama or Barry Soetoro who was raised a Muslim is anything but. Don’t these people know that when you leave the Muslim Faith they Kill you – but not Barry… I don’t know how STUPID people in this Country are to elect a guy with a Muslim name only 7 Years after 9/11. Our Public Schools and Higher Learning Institutions have becoming breeding grounds for Liberalism and Stupidity!
Report Post »WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges11
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 10:07pm“Rev. Franklin Graham Refuses to Say Obama & Romney Are Christians During Contentious MSNBC Interview”
LOL! You go Graham! There’s NOTHING more entertaining than a flustered Propaganda Media Liberal!
Report Post »GetOutofTheWagonAndPull
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 10:07pmSigh…Mormons are not Christians? Still? OK, here it goes. I am a Mormon. I am a Christian. There. Settled. Moving on.
Report Post »frankie1
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 10:19pmwhat dose msnbc know?i am a christian (assyrian christian from iraq)let them talk to me,i have a couple things to tell them.
Report Post »EndTheFedNOW
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 10:34pmencinom
you hater. broden your horizens. thw government has been hijacked
Report Post »Susie40
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 10:46pmAww, on matters of faith “Obama just can’t catch a break”.
Report Post »There is reason for that. By their fruits shall you know them.
jzs
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 10:50pmjzs says, “Jesus was all about helping the poor, healing the sick, loving and making peace with our enemies.”
Knight Templar says, “That statements demonstrates definitively that you know nothing about Christianity or what Jesus taught.”
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 12:19amNobody—and I mean NOBODY is qualified to determine who is and who isn’t a Christian. And Franklin Graham ought to know better and say as much.
Report Post »His response should be steadfast: “I cannot answer for the heart of ANY other man but myself.”
That’s not a cop out, it’s the truest answer possible.
mbabbitt
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 12:28amObama’s religion – or object of worship – is himself. That is why he uses pronoun “I” more than any other president in recent history.
Report Post »dutchy
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:11amReverend Franklin Graham is a true man of God, as is his dad, Billy Graham. He sure handled those Obama loving “morning shomoe’s” well! He is a class act
Report Post »baker john
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:37amThank the Lord and you Rev. Graham, I think you handled that beautifully any one can say he’s a Cristian Obama has not shown me any thing to believe that he is a Christian. “You shall Know them by their fruits” Obama has not shown any Christian fruits in his Presidency to me so far quit the opposite if you ask me, the questions seem to be aimed at a gotha kind of answer for someone else to verify Obama to be a Christian no can do Obama has to show that in his own life and presidential actions.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:22amgraham was probably reluctant because even Christians are cowed by the p.c. mindset. that said it is easy to say obama is not a Christian, just look at his actions. romney as a mormon removes himself from the Christian fold as well. i do think that romney is a much more honorable man than obama no matter their individual beliefs.
Report Post »skelly2244
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 8:12amLet’s see – elementary school years spent in Indonesian muslim school; then years spent in the “Reverend” Wright’s hate-filled church — is that the definition of a Christian?
Report Post »indy1
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 9:22amriverdog is one stupid dude. Black Liberation theology and Mormonism are not Christianity.
Report Post »jdalvine
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 9:39amGood on you Franklin!
Report Post »NOT A CRAZY
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 10:38amLove ya Franklin.
Report Post »Hobbs57
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 11:24amYes OLD WHITE MAN, Bigotry will do that to you. Seemingly , is all of the people like yourself who partake of the tree of knowledge, to be as God, to know good and bad.You will proclaim your faith in Jesus, yet fail to embrace the spirit there in. While the path of salvation has been re-established by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, Christians as yourself still choose not to move towards the tree of life, but continue to fester in knowledge. Wisdom escaped you as is clearly demonstrated by your countless posts condemning others under the false impression your have some superior intellect concerning divine matters. Complex matters, such a to understand time and the point of the resurrection of men,as your pretend to have insight into matters the flesh couldn’t possible understand or know. The hypocrites of Christianity,as yourself, continue to persecute others, acting as if you have magical powers while looking into a crystal ball, being blinded by the massive barrier of fear laid before thee,not by God, but by he who had fooled Eve in the garden and he who had tempted Jesus in the desert.No better than the intellectual elites, but probably worse, because you not only deny the works of thy father by your ideals but also claim to be a representative of his son. Faith in the lord is not to be Godfearing, that is the lie of man, the flesh, who’s conscious is directed by he who has rule on earth. We know your kind, in the name of Christ, to love our enemy, we pray for your kind.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:20pmWho is this guy to judge who is and isn’t a Christian? What a hypocrite. Just like most of you lip service fakers.
Report Post »memphislawyer
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:23pmGreat responses from Graham. On Beck’s radio show today, even Beck settled any issues over whether he and Mormons are Christians. He insisted that Gandhi and Jesus were in heaven together today because Gandhi was ‘inspired’ by Christ. He went on to say a true Christian would ‘work’ (w/o saying who is judging what would be enough). His views on a works salvation, non-exclusivity of Christ (the Way and the Truth) and the Mormon doctrines that say you must work at following Jesus is what makes you a Christian pretty much excludes him and Mormons from the fold. They think they can just use the name of Jesus and agree w/ certain doctrines will make them Christian; however, based on their latter day revelations, they are describing a different gospel and a Jesus different from the one in the Bible. Beware of his sad ignorance or intentional deceit. Beck’s philosohy is no different than that explained by Sharpton in a later post on this website; they just have a different agenda.
Report Post »maryhutto
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:25pmRiverdog1-Your comment exposes your intellect. Nothing to brag about, dude!
Report Post »Willdit, you are so right about Rev. Graham! The truth really seems to hurt. It‘s a inconvenience to Obama’s press.
Those on Morning Joe are suppose to be neutral reporters? I don’t think so. Anyone can see the hate and disgust in their body language. So closed minded. Does anyone watch this tripe?
@leftfighter
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:02pmI think Rev. Graham did a remarkable job toward the end of keeping self control.
These snarky Leftist jerks spent the entire last five minutes trying to rile him up and make him look like a hypocrite and a buffoon, yet he’s the one that came out looking like the adult in the room.
Report Post »Michael61
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:12pmWell, he should answer:
“If you guys were real Christians, you would understand why Obama is NOT a real Christian”.
Report Post »PappyCCTX
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:44pmRiverdog1… How’s all that hope and change working out for you, personally? Your opinion of Franklin Graham is … well let’s say, a little judgmental, and I think…. I just wasted my breath… er energy.
Report Post »kayatribe
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:59pmI can understand someone mixing up Martha MacCallum & Megyn Kelly, but Alex Witt & Alex Wagner? No correction after 24 hours? Blaze FAIL.
Report Post »Patrick Henry II
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:01pmAmen,
Report Post »As far as all of our Mormon friends here, don’t sweat it. We do not need or want to mix our theology. The definition of a Christian is different from Evangelicals, Catholics, Orthadox etc and that of Mormons. That is OK. Your religion is new and different. We still like you. Don’t let them divide us as a force.
EZDOZIT
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 9:43pmI attented a united church of christ for 15 months. The ministers were always making jokes about the Rev.Billy Graham. Why you may ask? This New Age church, google this,taught man is born divine,no need for a savior,everyone is god except Jesus. They taught that all paths,(religions) lead to god (Universal force,Cosmic Force) except true christianity. They used christian words but gave them new definitions to fool the real christians and the world. Now you know why they don’t like Billy or Franklin Graham.
Report Post »LarryR
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:27pmSetting in church on Sunday makes one no more a Christian, than standing in a garage makes one a car! Old Testament is Sociology, collective conscience! New Testament is Psychology, individual conscience. In OT God judges the collective. In NT God judges the person. Liberalism is collective conscience! Conservative is individual conscience, with self-determination and self=accountability! Unlike Obama and the socialists, Christ never divided people into classes, and colors, and gender, or in age! He never set class against class nor would he tolerate class warefare, playing a race card at every spoken word.
Report Post »TexasTraitorHunter
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 10:48pmdog1 You are the stupid one. Mr. Graham is absolutely correct. judasbama is not a Christian. Neither are the fools trying to entrap him and saying he has a double standard. They need only to look in the mirror to see who actually has a double standard.
Report Post »MARDABO
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:20pmI am so disgusted with obama. all the good folks here have said everything’s that on my mind, GRRRRR
Report Post »LiberalMarine
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:52pmIt’s funny how many people confuse not catering to what christian leaders want to actively being anti-christian.
Report Post »rickfromthecape
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:57pmNo one’s asking to be catered to, but don’t pi$$ on me and tell me it’s raining…don‘t legalize murder and tell me it’s about women’s health… don‘t force my business to sell contraceptives I don’t believe in and tell me your not interfering in my religious freedom!
Report Post »LiberalMarine
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:04pmIf they don’t want the government interfering with anything like contraception mandates and such, specifically the Catholics, then them and their organizations shouldn’t get any government money.
When the Catholic adoption organizations were discriminating against same-sex couples and they stopped receiving government money, they complained and shut down out of spite. Sounds like they wanted to be catered to to me.
The religious institutions who want prayer in public schools AND want the government out of their affairs are the definition of hypocrisy and the desire to get whatever they want.
Report Post »rickfromthecape
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:08pmI’m not Catholic and I agree with you about the public money, however it’s nieve to think that this government cares about that. They would and will try anything that the people aren’t paying attention to.
Report Post »major11
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:10pmLiberal Marine, please read the First Amendment. You are in need of some serious enlightenment! Sorry, but your relativistic opinion matters not.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:22pmMAJOR11…why do you think the left wants to remove religion? Religion is not relativistic. It is absolute and it is a cornerstone of conscience. The left has been trying to erode the constitution for decades. It’s the only thing stopping this nation from declining into statism. They attempt to paint it as antiquated and irrelevent to modern times. Ginsberg suggested we look elsewhere for our laws and the irony is she’s empowered with protecting the word of the constitution. Obama himself has bemoaned the constraints the constitution places on him. The left has launched a campaing trying to devalue the constitution beacuse the constitution is in it’s way. By eroding religion, the left erodes resistance to their campaign to put the state above all. When you have a foundation that’s based on “our Creator” you have an immovable platform for our laws. By removing “our creator” you allow the constitution to become anything any man wants it to be at any given time. This is something the left dreams about.
Report Post »kswitzer
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:53pmThat is the most assine and ignorant post. Do you realize that Catholic Social Services is the largest single social services provider in the US. They provide services to ALL PEOPLE, not only Catholics. CSS has been around since the 1960′s. Have you ever done any reseach on Catholic Medical Center throughout the world? Are you aware of the first ammendment, at all. Please educate yourself.
Report Post »Zenzazin
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:55pm@rickfromthecape – “No one’s asking to be catered to” — that’s exactly what the right is doing with this. demanding that THEIR personal ideology be forced upon the rest of the population.
“don‘t force my business to sell contraceptives I don’t believe in and tell me your not interfering in my religious freedom!” – no single business is or will be forced to sell any form of contraceptives. instead, if employees want contraception, businesses will be required to provide the option, and if they feel their religious background makes it impossible for them to pay for such products, the insurance companies and then required to. so, please explain again how your business is being forced to do things that go against your morals and how is your religion being attacked?
Report Post »Make My Day
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:56pmYep liberal for sure, the goverment don’t have any money. That money you so gladly say is goverment money is from the hard working men & women that may not want it spent as the goverment want to do.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:05pm@Avengerk
As always, I’m sure this will lead to an “interesting” conversation with you… but several of your points are wrong.
“Religion is not relativistic. It is absolute and it is a cornerstone of conscience.”
First, this. Religion is extremely relative. It changes slowly, but it changes. Look how much Catholicism has changed over the centuries! Or look at more recent religions, like the church of LDS. Polygamy started out a cornerstone of their faith, but within a few decades was thrown out. As for conscience, you’re saying that without religion as the cornerstone, it cannot exist. As the non-religious can still have a conscience, this is false.
“Ginsberg suggested we look elsewhere for our laws and the irony is she’s empowered with protecting the word of the constitution.”
Ginsberg made her comments in a speech about Egypt forming a new constitution; not that “WE” look elsewhere. It made sense in the context of her hour-long speech. It took our Constitution almost 100 years to outlaw slavery; wouldn’t we want new countries to do so from the get-go?
“When you have a foundation that’s based on “our Creator” you have an immovable platform for our laws.”
Which “Creator” is the right one for a country made up of hundreds of races and religions? Even the Constitution stated that there should be no established religion; but right here you say the laws need to be built upon religion. Stop overthrowing the Constitution, please.
Report Post »PPMStudios
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:18pmI think you’re missing the real story here. Whether it‘s getting ’money’ from the government or “discriminating against same-sex couples”, when all this started years ago, it wasn‘t ’discrimination’.
The constitution says what the government CAN’T do. Then over the course of years, the government continues to change the rules. If for instance you had an auto-loan at 5% and while you paid on-time, every month, then after 1 year the bank says “we’re raising your interest rates to 10%.” Is that fair? No it isn’t. So why is the government allowed to ‘change’ their rules and force a group or in this case, a religion, to make changes to their belief system?
We’re not a Democracy. The courts overturning the Prop 8 vote in California proves that! The majority of voter did NOT want same sex marriage, yet the courts can over turn the will of the people!
This is a very slippery path were on….
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:23pmAccording to the fringe party, once known as the GOP the country’s leaders must bow down to the preachers, the Constitution and the Seperation of Churhc and State be damned.
Report Post »mdeputy7
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:29pm@LiberalMarine,
You are so misinformed. I hate how the liberal agenda has portrayed Christians. I hate how the Constitution has been devalued so very much. None of what the government thinks is its job really is when it comes to social issues. It is not the government’s job to take care of us. It is not the government’s job to provide for us. The government exists solely for protection from internal and external dangers (law enforcement and military).
And when it comes to Christians, that average born-again Christian doesn’t want ANYTHING from the government. We are to be in the world, but not of it. We are to be a peculiar people. We are hurt sometimes by our own radicals spouting anger and hate, but for the most part, we love people. That being said, we also know what is sin. We have a desire to see all come to Jesus…not to be just like us. The difference in views makes us such a great nation. We are concerned because we watch the timeline of the country. It continues to get worse and worse.
As morals fade, the country deteriorates. I know that’s not what liberals want to hear, but it’s so true. Divorce rates rise, and children grow up with an absence in their development as people. Selfishness takes over, and people expect the government to take care of them….even when many are able to work…and could find work if they were willing to take jobs that were “below them.” I know. I did it.
Please don’t make anymore blanket statements until you get the fa
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:35pmI’m not going to mince words with you LOCKED. You’re a crushing bore and your obsession with parsing, mincing and dissecting words, syllables and phrases while ignoring the broader idea isn’t something I want to mire myself in with an idiot like you.
Report Post »Church tenets have remained the same for centuries. Offshoots of the basic Catholicism and Orthodoxy can interpret what they wish from the texts but the tenets haven’t changed. Keep trying sport.
So we’re back to “likely meant” for Ginsberg are we LOCKED? More mealy mouthed bufoonery from the buffoon-par-excellence of the blaze that you are LOCKED. Ginsberg says essentially that because of the constitution’s age, it is useless in that Egyptian interview. So she says to look elsewhere for a good model: “I would not look to the US Constitution if I were drafting a constitution in the year 2012”. Please LOCKED…mince, parse and mealy mouth your way around that for the next few days as we’re accustomed to seeing you do. As I stated, leftists try to paint the constitution as antiquated and ill-equipped to serve “modern” society. But being the mealy mouthed, word mincing, myopic cretin you are…you missed that and went straight into your self-approving tripe. If you’re having trouble with your reading and comprhension LOCKED..you have my sympathy.
Unfortunately for you LOCKED..the declaration of independence invokes “our creator”. Good luck removing that “religion” champ.
Locked
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:49pm@Avengerk
“I’m not going to mince words with you…”
He says as he writes 1400 words in response ;-)
“Church tenets have remained the same for centuries. Offshoots of the basic Catholicism and Orthodoxy can interpret what they wish from the texts but the tenets haven’t changed.”
Some have, and some have changed. You truly think the Church of today resembles the Church of the 4th century in almost any aspect?
“Ginsberg says essentially that because of the constitution’s age, it is useless in that Egyptian interview. So she says to look elsewhere for a good model”
Exactly: she says the US Constitution should not apply to Egypt today because their situations differ; do you feel the Constitution of the US would work in every country?
Also, just a moment to laugh: you took the time to say I’m guessing what people mean, when you argue with your own qualifier, “essentially.” Pot, meet kettle.
“Unfortunately for you LOCKED..the declaration of independence invokes “our creator”.”
Indeed it does and it’s not unfortunate at all; but YOUR argument was that religion is a necessary cornerstone of conscience. You take the “Our Creator” line and run all the way down the rabbit hole, coming to the conclusion that the Constitution and laws of our country depend upon your idea of God. The Declaration talks of inalienable rights from “Our Creator,” but sets no religion; however, you have no qualms in saying religion is needed f
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:02pmavenger, what does church bombings in egypt have to do with obama? nevermind you lack a mind that sees truth. sorry i feel for you and i will pray for your twisted soul.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:08pm(Cont)
The Declaration talks of inalienable rights from “Our Creator,” but sets no religion; however, you have no qualms in saying religion is needed for a conscience.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:31pmHISTORY: When the Romans (Imperial Republic) controlled Judea under a Governor, they Executed Joshua (Jesus in Greek) ben Joseph for Treason (a claim to be King).
GOSPELs: Contract & Salvation is upon Individual Thoughts & Deeds!
CHRISTIANITY: Is the opposition to a Large Federal Government alike Rome… and to Collectivism alike Socialism & Communism!
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:15pm“It took our Constitution almost 100 years to outlaw slavery; wouldn’t we want new countries to do so from the get-go?”
our constitution never authorized slavery in the first place.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:45pm@Rush
Good thing I didn’t say authorize, huh? States passed laws allowing it, and the Constitution didn’t expressly forbid owning another human being until almost a century after its creation.
Report Post »ZMileHighGuy
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:47pmGovernment money = my tax dollars
I don’t want my tax dollars funding abortion. Period.
If you want to follow or not follow what Christian leaders tell you, so be it. But that’s a personal decision not one that should be mandated by any government.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:31pmYou pegged it LIBERALMARINE, and there are several comments under this story that prove exactly that.
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:59pm@ mike. i don’t hate christians just idiots like graham. its good that he gives to charity. his father was/is good at that. i wonder how much he takes off the top$$$?
Report Post »Knight Templar
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 8:54pmZenzazin—- Rather than try to reason with you (doesn’t seem possible) I will just tell you that is an absolutely unthinking, stupid post.
Report Post »REV1689
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:51pmIt’s unfortunate that Graham got drawn into this. He was right on one part, though: “The question is, ‘What is a Christian?’l
Every one of the four Republican candidates claim to be a Christian, as does the President. However, being a Christian isn’t determined simply by calling oneself by that title or writing it on a candidate information form. True Christians are only those who have believed in that which is of first importance: redemption through the person and work of Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 15:1-4)
Scripture teaches that our justification (that is, our right standing with God) comes ONLY through faith (Rom. 3:28; 5:1). Four of the men running for office belong to religious traditions which deviate from this doctrine in some way. Gingrich & Santorum are Catholic which demands good works as a condition of justification (good works are important, but as a response to our salvation, not a way to earn it). Romney is a Mormon which falls outside of Orthodox Christianity on this and numerous other areas. Obama has traditionally aligned himself with Liberation Theology, which perverts the one true gospel of Christ, replacing it with a targeted social gospel of exclusivism. Only Ron Paul comes from a faith background (Baptist) that holds to the essential doctrine of Justification by Faith Alone.
That said, I‘m NOT insinuating that all the rest aren’t believers. They may not even line up with their denominations’ teachings. However it’s clear some are heterodox in
Report Post »lovenfl3
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:56pmI agree, it’s a shame these people keep walking in front of the firing squad. When will they realize that no good can possibly come from appearing on a liberal news outlet? That‘s why it’s called kool-aid.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMbxtBIQX-I
martinez012577
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:11pmWell that is the GOP spin for you. Ron Paul believes Israel should make make her own decisions. GOP leaders and talking heads take that as he is a Nazi. Dr. Paul is one of the only members of Congress that supported Israel, when they attacked their neighbors in the 7 day war to protect themselves. He isnt anti-Israel he is pro-American.
We are broke, we are tired of being the global police force, and we are tired of giving our freedoms away for “our own good”.
WAKE UP AND STOP THIS INSANITY!!!!!
Ron Paul 2012
Report Post »jdog777
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:24pmyour version and understanding of Christianity is different than others. Instead of “judging” others… it seems the Christian thing to do is to honor the Faith of others, though it differs from your version of Christianity. Without pulling all the scriptures that clearly say “Faith without works is dead.” and explaining to you repentance, charity, loving and serving thy neighbor, and obeying commandments of God are “works”… I will say to you that being a Christian is a personal matter and only God knows the intent of man’s heart. The “Christian” who claims the faith for personal gain and earthly riches and power will be found out in the end, while those who humbly do the Lord’s “work” without those carnal desires will receive his/her award heaven. The correct response from the good reverend would be… It is not my business to judge a man’s claim to Christianity… it is my business to do what I can to love and serve the people that I touch. To challenge the Christianity of Mitt Romney or any other Mormon is a mistake on so many levels, because the “works” and gospel taught by the Mormon Faith tells a different story and from what I can tell…. The Mormon’s are on the front line of family values, charity, service, standing firm on homosexual issues, and the clear and present attack on our religious freedoms. It took a Mormon to reach out to the Catholics and say the Government attack on the Catholic’s conscience deserves ALL Christian denominations
Report Post »Link8on
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:59pmGraham’s interview is a minor slap on the mass media for hailing the 2011 arab spring and then ignoring
1 the rise of militant sharia law,
2 massacres of minority Christians, and
3 bombings of the Samaritan Purse facilities by the governments in charge over there.
He also went at length to not say anything negative or judgemental about anyone…
Report Post »refering instead to his own undeserved salvation.
Shirley in USA
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:01pmMormons are Christians. I invite you to look into it more. However, IF a Christian is someone who by faith says he believes in Jesus Christ and is then saved regardless of his works…I guess you are right. Mormons believe we are saved by faith and grace AFTER all that we can do.
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:08pmEncinomom
Report Post »Where is the rest of your truth team at hero? Going all rogue, look at you. Many converts today or you just like being peeved all the time? May is around the corner-BMO going to go Pagan for a month too? I personally want to see him go Primative Baptist and do some snake handling outside of a room with only Reggie, but that is something else entirely. Good luck with your plans, check on your blood pressure from time to time.
Ranger P- Sua sponte
PPMStudios
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:28pmSHIRLEY,
You missed a major facet in Christianity. A Christian believes in the Holy Trinity; God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one and the same. Mormons, not bad people by any stretch, don’t believe this.
Much like water can be liquid, solid (ice), or vapor (steam); It’s still water.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 9:54pmChristian is a verb. I see people all the time that claim to be Christian because they hold certain specific beliefs and yet when you look at their life there is absolutely no evidence of Christian actions towards their fellow man. All you can see is their bigotry towards others. Christian? Yeah whatever. That my friend is self delusion. That comes straight from the father of all lies to their hardened heart.
Report Post »ripley
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:51pmGood for Rev. Graham. I bet those hosts are still scratching their heads! That’s funny.
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:02pmIm surprised those idiots did’nt ask him if he thought Pee Wee Herman was a Christian
Report Post »cloudsofwar
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:23pmkangaroo court on morning sickness joe.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 8:46pmExactly the opposite. They called out his hypocrisy, didn’t you read it? He lied several times, but you wouldn‘t know that because Beck didn’t tell you. Yet. Now that he’s a religious pillar he may have caught the lies. (See there is a risk in commenting before he feeds you info.)
Report Post »I‘d think you’d all be hopping mad as having a religious litmus test for the presidency is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
Franklin Graham also declined to explain his statements on the evening shows. Maybe he can get some strokes on Fox, the audience there is misinformed enough to buy his line.
SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:50pm.
Rev. Franklin Graham Refuses to Say Obama & Romney Are Christians…
What you want the man to lie?…..
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:49pmWhy ask someone’s opinion, get it, and then try to talk them out of it. Graham has a right to believe whatever he wants…we all do. He didn‘t say he hated anyone or say they couldn’t lead bc of his opinion on their belief…well except Obama, bc he sees Obama is standing with the Muslims and so that would definately not make him a Christian. You don’t stand with someone that tries to destroy eveything God made. I do believe some Mormons are Christian if they have accepted Christ, but they do need to drop the other books of the Bible other than for good reading, bc we were told not to take away nor add anything to the Holy Bible. I believe Glenn Beck is a Christian bc I really don’t believe he is uninformed about his salvation. Anyone can become a Christian AND ATTEND WHATEVER CHURCH THEY CHOOSE, BUT SHOULD DO THEIR BEST TO EXPLAIN THEIR SALVATION IN A WAY OTHERS HAVE NO DOUBTS OF IT. That is the least we can do for other souls and give God the Glory He deserves for offering us the Ultimate Sacrifice in order to save us from our sins. Graham only did his best to answer from the Bible which we know as the Word of God. A Christian has no problem talking about their individual salvation. Gingrich and Beck speak of theirs and Santorum goes into detail, but I have never heard Romney or Obama say anything and they sure don’t follow a Christian view in the moral departmnent. I doubt Obama would ever admit to being a sinner.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:59pmI stand with the muslims-as they have become targets for genocide by bigots and zionists yet i am a practicing roman catholic.islam is not anti christianity -or anti jewish -as both faiths co-existed with muslims in the mid east prior to colonialism and zionism divided and pitted them against each other.Graham is doing that too when he equates not hating islam with hating christianisty.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:05pmIs there a post where you won’t use the word genocide ROSE-ELLEN? Vile, wretched little woman.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:29pm@ROSEELLEN
You may need a history lesson.
I’m pretty sure the that during the Crusades, Christians and Muslims did NOT get along together…
I’m pretty sure there was a Caliphate that stretched all the way to Spain, and I’m not sure that was a fun time to be a Christian…
I support people who respect another person’s right to practice their religion in peace, that includes Muslims. However, to deny that radical Islam does not exist is quite a stretch.
Please wake up and recognize that there are those in the Muslim faith want to kill or dominate you if you are not a follower of Mohamed.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:47pmRosie just says the same things over and over because he believes that the liberal playbook strategy of repeating the lies enough times will have the same effect as telling the truth once.
Report Post »Jubie
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:17pmmy question is, when were evangelicals told by on high that they have the moral high ground to decide who is Christian and who isn’t? because the only person who truly knows if you are a Christian is Christ. In the end he will decide. and believe me it will not be your definition, Franklin Graham’s,or mine. so the only thing that is important is to read pray and get as close to Christ as we can.
I fear that this idea that evangelicals have, that they only have the moral high ground here. will lead to bigotry. because only you can be right. Christians everywhere should be very weary of this line of logic because it has the power to destroy you and the people around you. if you don’t believe me ask your self how going down this road where only you can define who is a christian shows charity the pure love of Christ.
let us start judging Christians by the content of their character not by the religion they follow.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:48pmFranklin doesn‘t know who’s a christian and who isn’t. He can only guess based upon actions and what they, themselves claim. Mormons do not believe in the Trinity. They do not believe Jesus and God the Father are the same. By definition, that excludes them from what is mainstream Christianity. It’s not bigotted. If we said they were christians, then we would be admitting that we don’t really believe Jesus is the true God. Why don’t people see that. Besides, Jesus was divider not a uniter and He said so Himself! “I’ve come to separate the wheat from the chaff.”
Report Post »jdog777
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:39pmThis is what Mormon’s believe (per their articles of faith).
Report Post »We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
Dauh
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:40pm@SquidVetOhio,
Jesus Christ and God the Father are two separate beings. Read your Bible and pay closer attention to what it says.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:36pmMuslims and jews were both persecuted by catholic spain though there was in cordoba harmony between the 3 faiths till isabel got fanatic and iquisitorial .The crusaders went to the mid east and waged war against the muslim,jews and CHRISTAINS already there[jewish christians descendents of the first christians-of which by the way i am one of].The reason that islamic center “ground zero mosques” was gonna be called cordoba center was because it represents that time when the 3 faiths coexisted peacefully in cordoba. The exiled muslims and jews traveled together out of spain when isabel expelled them.only western colonialism and european zionism stirred up divisions between them.many kabbalah texts and jewish torahs were written in arabic and kabalist rabbis even ordered their congregations to convert to islam when the kabalist rabbis got convinced that judaism was losing its way.islam was seen by these kabbalist rabbis as authentically jewish.[in some instances of the history of mid east].
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:11pm@DAUH
I do read my Bible. Pretty condensending remark btw. Here’s what my Bible says…
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
John 1:1
God the Son, God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit is ONE God. Jesus said “I and the Father are one.” Also, “If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.”
Genesis Chp 1. “And God said, Let US make man in OUR image”
1 God in three persons, blessed trinity.
This is Day 1 Christian theology. Sorry pal. Read your Bible.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:16pm@Rose-Ellen
Report Post »The Ottoman-Empire (the muslims) weren’t exaclty sitting by minding their own business when the evil crusaders showed up. They were killing Jews and Christians also. I’m a fundamentalist Baptist (dencended from the anna-batist) I am all to aware of the catholic churches persecution of “heretics”. We were also persecuted by the protestants in the 1600′s, namely the Episcopal church. Foxe’s Book of Martyrs chronicles this well.
SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:20pmJesus Christ was either God Almighty or He was a liar. I tremble to even write that but, it’s true. He claimed to be God. He proved Himself to be God.
Mormans do believe Jesus is the son of God. But, they believe He is a lesser god. Not equal the God the Father.
P.S. Mormans are good people and I’m not bashing them. I’m taking issue with their theology. And yes, I would vote for one.
Report Post »Dauh
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:18pmThe two are one in purpose (and equals, BTW, which is Mormon doctrine), not one person or the same person.
Christ’s praying too the Father makes it rather obvious that they are separate beings, as are his several statements regarding his Father in Heaven. Your Trinity interpretation is a ridiculous one set forth by men who never saw these deities. Mormons have the correct understanding of the nature of God and Christ, which the Lord clarified in a personal witness to Joseph Smith.
God, according to you, can speak only 181253 words (number of words in the Bible), and he has stopped speaking altogether since Christ’s ascension. Talk about putting limits on God. Wake up.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:23pmIronically, most of the people posting here that they believe they are Christians are not Christian by their own definitions. They say that one of the elements to make a Christian is to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. If they believe in the Trinity, they fall outside of their own definition because they believe Jesus Christ IS God rather than His son.
The doctrine of the “Trinity” is not based in the Bible; it is based on third century creeds. The Bible makes clear that there are three separate personages in the Godhead. Pretty hard to dispute that in Luke 3:22 it shows three SEPARATE personages – “And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
It is creed based, not biblically based to believe that he does not follow his own will, but rather his own will; that it’s not his to give but rather, its his to give; that he is greater than himself; that he stands by himself at his own right hand; that he is his own son and is well pleased in himself as his son…
not as I will, but as thou wilt, Matt. 26:39
not mine to give, but … of my Father, Matt. 20:23
my Father is greater than I, John 14:28
being by the right hand of God exalted, Acts 2:33
saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, Acts 7:55
This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, Matt. 3:17 (Matt. 17:5)
Believe the Bible, not third c
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:42pm(continued)
Believe the Bible, not third century creeds!
@SQUIDVETOHIO – you actually quoted – “I and the Father are one.” You do understand don’t you that when Christ speaks of being “one” with the Father, he means one in purpose, right?
Here‘s how Christ himself explains it so that you don’t come to your conclusion:
John 17:20-21 “Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
That verse is probably pretty confusing to you since according to your interpretation – since we can become “one” with Christ and God, that we will literally become part of the trinity, which is obviously false.
Further, Genesis 2:24 explains that “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.” – do you suddenly morph into one personage when your married? Its the same way we all can become one with Christ – as he is the bridegroom.
You also said “This is Day 1 Christian theology. Sorry pal. Read your Bible.” – Sorry, but that is actually about 325AD theology, not Bible theology. You do realize the the word “trinity” is not even found in the bible?
Report Post »Dauh
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 7:23pm@ P8triot
Spot on! Well said.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 7:34pm@DAUH – you too! Its sad that so many people refuse to actually read the bible literally rather than simply listen to their preachers tell them what to believe.
Report Post »bitter.clinger
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 9:03am@DAUH – John 10:30 – “I and the Father are one.”
You can be a Mormon and be a Christian…but only so long as that Christian does not know the full extent of the theology and tenets of the Mormon belief system and the Truth from the Bible. If you have been born again in Christ and soak yourself in the word of God (The Old and New Testament) you will eventually leave all the other forms of “false gospels” and beliefs out there…whether it’s Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witness system or specific tenets of Roman Catholicism (praying to saints and Mary instead of Christ, confessing to a priest instead of confessing your sins to Christ, the immaculate conception of Mary, the elevation of papal decrees to infallibility, etc.). I myself used to be a Presbyterian USA (PCUSA) member, but am now more of an Evangelical/Reformed/Lutheran. QUESTIONING WITH BOLDNESS DOES NOT ONLY APPLY TO POLITICS…don’t stay stuck in the rut of your belief system just because the religious community around you wants to remain in that rut. Read THE Bible (not the Book of Mormon or any other book that claims to add to or supersede the Old & New Testament.) My prayer is that God in Christ will lift the scales from your eyes as he did for me. I won’t be able to argue you into The Truth…only Christ can make you (or me) see God’s Truth. May he have mercy on all of us here unto repentance and faith in Christ alone.
Report Post »petertalon
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:44pmI don’t know why you make this interview such a big event. Rev Graham says several times he does not know. This is not that strange considering the actions of the President and based on Christian theology. Many Christians also do not consider Mormans Christian based on their theology. This is quite common. The main point though is that this is all up to the individual and God. Also, the people that asking this question over and over probably do not under anything about Evangelical Christians like Rev Graham.
Report Post »bitter.clinger
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 9:20am@PETERTALON – This was simply the case of MSNBC looking for more “religious nut” sound bites to keep the Media Matters website going (and by extension the rest of the Lib Media). All you have to do is to look at the faces of the MSNBC “talent” (cough, cough) throughout this interview to see what a “brood of vipers” these donkeys are. They could care less about Christians being murdered in Egypt and other Muslim countries…but if you repeat Barack Hussein Obama’s own words to prove who he is…watchout sucka. This interview proves Rick Santorum’s point that Satan has been all too successful in taking over American institutions…The Father of Lies giving birth to the Children of Lies. God have mercy on us.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:43pmNo, people’s love of their own sinfulness is why they become athiests. Nice try. We’ll see how that excuse works out for you come judgement day. “Sorry God, I would have believed in you but that darn Franklin Graham made me mad.”
Good luck with that.
Report Post »NICHOLAS.STL
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:42pm@squidvetohio
No, people’s love of their own sinfulness is why they become athiests. Nice try. We’ll see how that excuse works out for you come judgement day. “Sorry God, I would have believed in you but that darn Franklin Graham made me mad.”
Good luck with that.
I’m not an atheist because I love my own sinfulness. I have yet to see any evidence otherwise to convince me. It is possible to be both atheist and republican.
Report Post »susie q
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:06pmsquidvetohio has it exactly right!
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:41pm.
Report Post »Obama’s Black Liberation Theology is not a Christian Belief. As for Mitt IDK what he is, he changes every 5 minutes……
riverdog1
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:54pmblack liberation is christian. sorry spanky.
Report Post »indy1
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 9:27amRiverdog doesn’t know what Black Liberation Theology teaches.
Report Post »HairRazor
Posted on February 26, 2012 at 5:17pmol riverdogs a hoot.. some folks make good money making knee-slappin ignorant/da comments. I believe dog is just being dog though.
Report Post »TriforcePlayer
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:40pmGood on Franklin. Obama’s policies attack Christians and Romney is not a Christian.
Report Post »SonOfThunder
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 5:49pmExactly….Mormonism is a cult and not Christianity. Obama is not a Christian and he is a Marxist.
Report Post »IntheDirt
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 8:27pmYou guys are nuts everyone commenting on this story that Mormons are not Christians is nuts. The only reason Protestant leaders deny that LDS people are Christians is that if everyone got it in their head that a lay ministry is the way to go, the leaders of the other cults would be out of a job. ‘Ministers’ like Franklin would need to get a job. Follow the money think about the motivations of the revisionists that are being supported by their followers.
Besides if Mr Graham had any respect for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, he would use the real name. But then again people would possibly think that the members believe in Christ and then realize that ministers should not be paid and then he would be out of a job, better to just use Mormon.
Report Post »TeaPartyForRomney
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:40pmI think the thing that was mixed in this whole article was Franklin Graham was praising Obama and some of his agenda.
He also seemed to question Gingrich’s faith like he did Obama “Well he told me he was”… but I don’t know?
Report Post »tweetybird
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:38pmI don’t think Obama is a Christian. Never have. However, I don’t think he is a Muslim either. I just think he thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Obama believes in Obama.
Report Post »blazefirestormer
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:48pmThe fact that you believe that someone is Christian or not is a NO-WIN argument. Are Mormons Christians? Is Obama Christian? Is Billy Graham a Christian? The only way to really know is the know the person individually and by their life and actions. You can’t tell if someone is a Christian based on if the media reports so. “By their fruits ye shall know them”. Matthew 7:20. Believing in Jesus Christ is between you and the Lord. Period.
Report Post »bornagaincowgirl
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:36pmThe times they are a-changin’. This is a very sad time in our country. Remember when we used to have peace, now we have strife. Our borders used to be safe. We used to be rich, now we are in debt. God’s people used to be respected, and God and His Word used to be feared.
Birth pangs for the coming of the one true world government, the Kingdom of God, where there will be no more tears, no death, no abortions, no war, no disesae, no suffering, no sin. Be careful Christian brothers and sisters, the Bible says the last days will be shortened for the sake of the elect, or even they would fall for the rhetoric, the evil spirit, of the day.
Report Post »neverending
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:13pmWith you on that one bornagaincowgirl!!
Report Post »Volsense
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:34pmU_MAD, Non-believers become atheists because they don’t believe in God or gods and are intolerant of the beliefs of those that do. Look up the definition of BIGOT in the dictionary, if you have one, and you will find what atheists actually are. Einstein said,”Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind.” Think about it.
Report Post »u_mad
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:38pmNo volsense. I talk to atheists quite a bit, and the number one reason they abandon faith is hearing crazies like Pat Robertson and this guy say bigoted/crazy things.
Report Post »EschatonNow
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:47pmU_Mad: what exactly did he say that upset you? Obama is a Christian like Marx was a capitalist! Black Liberation Theology the core of Rev Wright’s Church beliefs is no more Christian than the Rev. Moon‘s followers or Jim Jones’ failed mission with the kool-aid!
Report Post »rickfromthecape
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:49pmN0 volsense, that is just an excuse. Excuses are what every atheist uses to deny God’s existence. When they become truly honest with themselves…. then they will understand God and His grace.
Report Post »rickfromthecape
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:53pmsorry volsense, that was for u-mad. my bad!
Report Post »IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:56pmIf someone abandons their faith then they were not very strong in their faith to start with. There is always someone in many areas of life where we do not agree but we do not change our minds unless it is absolutely proven that we have been wrong. I will admit if I am wrong but I will not go down to the lowest level afterwards but pray for answers or forgiveness to carry on to find the right path.
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:03pmthat is nonsense. if you want to see bigotry just read the posts at da blaze!!
Report Post »cosette
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:36pm@ U MAD- You did not mention which faith these people you spoke to were but If you say Christians abandon their faith for ANY reason, they were never Christians to begin with. If they were, nothing and no one could “pluck them” from the hand of their Savior, Jesus Christ. That is stated in the bible and a Christian KNOWS that as truth. As for what people tell you, If I say I am the queen of England does that make it so? Of course not.
Report Post »EschatonNow
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:33pmObama is whatever he needs to be to stay in power! It’s that simple!
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:33pmUnited States Constitution, Article VI, paragraph 3:
‘The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.’
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:49pmBAIKONUR….you’re an admitted foreign national, a socialist and you despise the U.S. Your flaccid interjections to attempt to interpret the constitution are laughable. Declaration of Independence specifically invokes “our Creator”. Nice try champ.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:55pm@AvengerK
Report Post »Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:49pm
‘you’re an admitted foreign national, a socialist and you despise the U.S.’
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I am a US citizen (who votes) living abroad. I am not a socialist, and I do not despise the US.
I do despise jingoism, bigotry, religious fundamentalism and war mongering.
AvengerK
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:04pmLOL…..yes BAIKONUR….of course you are. You’re a lefty troll and as an agent of the left you have an innate dislike fo the U.S. You come up with words like “jingoism” to veil your hatred for the U.S. By the way..how’s that take over of Greek sovereignty working out for you Eurocommies? More can kicking from the “enlightened” Euro socialists watching their great socialist experiment explode in their faces. Keep denying it all BAIKONUR…there’s a good lefty.
Report Post »wbalzley
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:30pmHe’s a WITCH, Burn Him!
Report Post »marybethelizabeth
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:31pmReverend Graham is intolerant and not a like minded person motivated by goodness and love.
I’m not sharing any of my stored food with him.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:34pmLOL! Me neither.
Report Post »fblair
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:40pmSo just because Graham says what he believes, then he is intolerant? He is only saying Mormon’s have some beliefs that he does not have. What would he have to say to be ‘tolerant’?
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:47pmFranklin Graham impressed the heck out of me. His breadth of knowledge, his even toned politeness in the face of clear provocation. Watch him and he‘s taking the entire panel to school with his knowledge of what’s happening in the Muslim world against Christians. You can almost see the liberal heads exploding as they try to catch him out and he keeps defeating them. He single handedly takes apart the entire panel and has them scrambling for talking points. Very impressive performance.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:47pmYou should have checked out Franklin’s charity before you claimed that he is not “motivated by goodness and love” It has done a lot of good and spread a lot of love in the world.
http://www.samaritanspurse.org/
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:52pmyour wrong mary elizabeth and after reading several of your comments on different threads I hae no idea why you even frequent this site. it seems to me you agree with nothing but the left so why don’t you take a trip back to huffpo. the rev is a patriot.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:59pmMARYELIZABETH…Graham is a Christian. The new testament is canonical for him. Mormonism falls outside of mainstream Christian belief because it is not included in the New Testament even though Christ is a figure in Mormonism. He cannot as a christian call Mormonism “Christian”. Is this too difficult for you petal?
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:04pmSo you will only share your Mormon food storage with people with the same beliefs as you? How very “Christian” of you. I wonder if the Mormon god views it that way, like will that help become exalted to become a god. When you become a god, are you going to rule that way also?
Report Post »rickfromthecape
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:04pmMary, you wont have to…he will be gone in the rapture! You can eat your food in peace….well maybe not in peace
Report Post »marybethelizabeth
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:14pmYou’ve all convinced me.
I’d now be willing to give him some of my graham crackers (funny how those two words go together).
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:40pm@MARTINEZ012577
There you go again, bashing and ridiculing….
Do you know that the Mormons are often the first ones into a disaster area handing out food, and are often the last ones to leave?
Do you realize the amount of humanitarian aid that is given by the LDS Church to people around the world?
You don’t hear much about it, because it’s not about a photo-op for them.
I will share my food storage with anyone in need.
As far as being a Christian, I don’t care what anyone says, I am a Christian. Everything I do is to show my love of our Savior Jesus Christ. Does it matter what you think, or what Jesus thinks?
We’ll all find out in the end, right now I am trying my hardest to love my neighbor as myself, regardless of religious affiliation.
Report Post »rickbob
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:00pmRight on, right on, right on!! It depends on which Christian sect you belong as to determine who is and who isn’t “Christian”. Barry says he’s a Christian. So, I have to take him at his word. But his actions tell a whole other story. The four GOP candidates at least make an effort to show their Christianity.
Frank will have to be a lot nicer before I share my food storage. . .
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 7:30pmmarybethelizabeth
Report Post »Alert to all–check out mary‘s other posts and you’ll see she/he is a definite troll on this site. Nothing and I mean NOTHING she/he has to say is in any way possitive to ANY of the articles she/he has replied to. In this case she/he is replying as if she/he is mormon, but there isn’t a mormon out there that would share anything he had with another in need–this was Christ’s commandment to all of us. Her/his quip about food sharing is an obvious give-a-way she/he is trolling for ill. Beware of sheep in wolves clothing!
martinez012577
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 10:10pm@ brother ed
Well first off, I commented to Miss Marybeth on her choice not to share not yours.
As far as your comments about showing up and doing work to help people of course you do. You believe that doing good deeds gets you exalted. You get something out of it in the end.
On to your giving I found a interesting bit of info.
“In Jan. 2006, from the Church PR department, (Deseret News Publishing Company): Edgley said, Òthat since 1984, the LDS Church has donated nearly $750 million in cash and goods to people in need in more than 150 countries.Ó That averages to 37.5 million per year or about $3-$4 per Mormon member went to the poor.
The total of $750 million in 22 years spent in cash in goods to people in need is less than HALF what the church is spending on these malls. Less than half!! The Mormon Church is spending less than 1% of its income to help the poor. ”
Dont come on here all high and mighty. Your faith says deeds get you something, therefore you are buying your “exaltation” with them. So even saying what you do is just kind of a joke. Wow 1%. Wonder what the Mormon Pope is doing with all that cash? Well I guess malls, land investments, and companies.
Report Post »Deckle
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:28pmMSNBC is a joke! GO Graham! Obama is fully an Islam. He can’t even quote the bible correctly and he has never been baptized. He has never asked Jesus to come into his heart as his savior. He does not recognize Jesus as the son of God. Do some research!
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:06pmman you are funny. im mean you were joking right? nobody is that stupid.
Report Post »mickie4
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:10pmI agree.
Report Post »BHO can lie all he wants to (according to his regilion).and say he is a Christian. He’s not.Just joinned that church so it looks good on his resume’. Never did join another Church. He IS a Muslim….by his actions and words (in one of his books) Does anyone have the quote about coming down on the side of Islam?
AvengerK
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:14pmSpare us your peurile interjections RIVERDOG.
Report Post »Soularcher
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:46pmHateful anti christian interviewers, laying snares for Mr. Graham, and lying in wait to pounce. They never got close, and you could see them seething over it. You could see the hatred on their faces.
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 10:52pm@ marvel
Well I do agree with you that Jesus/God came to earth. God himself was on earth during the time of Adam and Eve. That isnt what the early Mormon prophets were implying and you know it. Dont try and twist it. They clearly said God was a man just as you and I. LOL you and your Mormon propaganda.
To be honest, I dont care about the Holy Trinity difference between our two faiths. The two differences are
1. God was once a man on another planet.
2. Men can become exalted and become gods.
Those are the two issues. Not anything else Mormons use as a distraction from the main issue.
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 11:02pm@p8riot
Nice try put words in my mouth, but I have pretty clearly said neither you or I or any man become a god.
Oh to your usual twisting of the Bible to fit the Mormon propaganda, This is a prayer from Jesus to God.
20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
That in no way says anyone will be a god. I want to be with Jesus, but I will never have his power in any way. I unlike Mormons, know my place. The problem is that the belief that you can become a god is what is going to land alot of misguided people in hell. No matter how you spin it, the Satan tempted Eve with the idea of becoming like God. The LDS sells the same fruit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 10:12am@MARTINEZ012577 – sorry, but you can’t have your cake and eat it too. In other words, you can’t take the bible literally when Christ says that he and the Father are “one” and then not take it literally when Christ says that we ALL can become “one”. That’s called cherry picking what you want to believe. Its the same thing about how we can all become joint heirs of Christ – what is Christ an heir of again? What does it mean to be a joint heir again?
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:28pm@p8riot
You assume a lot. I do not have faith based in assumptions. You have risked your families salvation if they follow their father/husbands faith. As I have said many times, if you are correct you get to be a god. If the evangelical view is correct you and your family are doomed to hell. That isnt worth doing over an assumption. All I ask is for you to put the BOM down and the cannon away and focus on the Bible. Quit filtering everything in the Bible through the BOM. Do it the other way, filter everything through the Bible. God will speak to you and lead you in the right direction.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:59pm@MARTINEZ012577 – did you even read my prior post? lol – you didn’t even address the same thing I was talking about – maybe because you realized that you‘ve been cherry picking what you want to take literally and what you don’t want to take literally.
Anyhow, to address your tangent… my faith is not based on an assumption – but rather on direct revelation from God himself. You see, we believe that God still speaks to man and that revelation did not stop at biblical times. I have studied and prayed with pure intent and the Holy Ghost has testified to me that the Book of Mormon is true and is a companion to the Bible – another testament of Christ. I know without a doubt that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is 100% perfect. How do I know? Because it is literally the Church OF Jesus Christ – meaning he literally leads it. Christ is perfect and thus His church is as well. You would do well to stop fighting against His church.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 8:43pm@p8riot
PAUL says, in Gal 1:6-9, “I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a DIFFERENT GOSPEL; which is really NOT ANOTHER; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to DISTORT the Gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel CONTRARY TO WHAT WE HAVE PREACHED TO YOU, he is to be ACCURSED! As we have said before, so I say AGAIN now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel CONTRARY to what you RECEIVED, he is to be ACCURSED!”
If this verse wasn‘t directed at the Mormons I don’t know what is. Yes I know what you will say, “ its the same gospel”. Its not, it is a distortion of the word of God. Speaking of cherry picking verses, you have never addressed the (gods/judges) point I make and its basically the main verse you hang the whole “Mormons will be gods” idea on.
Its not worth risking your family over. Oh and Satan temps us using our heart/burning in our bosom also.
Jeremiah 17:9
Report Post »9 The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?
Ch
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:24pmThe woman sitting on the set was Ms. PruneFace…Disdane oosed from every pours when she looked at Rev Graham. These folk DO NOT WANT DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT–THEY WANT CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS TO BE DISMISSED. DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT TO THEM IS–YOU MUST THINK WHAT “I” THINK.
Report Post »mickie4
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:18pmI also noticed the way she looked down her nose at Rev. Graham. He was just wonderful. With four rabid libs lined up against him, he kept his cool.
Report Post »One idiot kept laughing at everything Franklin said. I wondered why he would go on that show. Talk about going into the Lions Den. I really respect him, asI loved his father.
ohmyitsdave
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:24pmMatthew 7:15-16: “15 Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves. 16 You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Report Post »Deckle
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:21pmGood for him. Mormanism is not Christian. Get educated on it. Dig a little deeper than the surface and you will know the truth! Obama for sure is Islamic!
Report Post »HKS
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:30pmOne bows to Ali and the other to Jesus Christ, can it get any simpler than that?
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:34pmMormons bow to Joseph Smith.
Report Post »dlmldm
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:45pmMormon beliefs are biblical and in fact profoundly Christian. You say dig a little to find the truth, click onto the link below and you will find the truth, you will find proof that Mormonism is Christian.
http://www.thoughts.com/dlmlds/actual-mormon-beliefs-are-biblical-and-profoundly-christian
Report Post »zergic
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:56pmSmokey_Bojangles, that is extremely ignorant. I guarantee if anyone bowed down to Joseph Smith they would be excommunicated. That is a horrible accusation to make and I’m guessing you know better. Very sad. Reminds me of the women on “The Help”. You seem to be made of the same cloth.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:57pmI do believe mormons are Christians, roman catholics are christians etc. You will know them by their works. I am tired of people judging others faith in Jesus because their doctrine is different. I donate to his charity for the starving folks in north korea but do not in any way agree with his belief that mormons are unchristian. I have many mormon friends who have inspired me to serve others more than I currently do. Many Christian churches could take a lesson from their faith in action, I know I did.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:07pmYou are free to believe whatever you like DLMLDM, as long as it is non violent. What irritates is that you try and claim it is Christian. The Holy Trinity is fundamental to the Christian faith, without belief in the Trinity, it is not Christianity. Be a proud Mormon and stand on your own beliefs, don‘t claim ours when you don’t believe in them.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:09pmHorseCrazy
Report Post »Muslims, Jews and atheists do good works all the time, it does not make them Christians.
martinez012577
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:38pm@DLM
Your link is typical Mormon propaganda trying to defend the ridiculous claims your prophets said.
Why Christians do not believe Mormon are worshiping the same God and Jesus Christ of the Bible is clear.
1. Mormons believe through deeds they will become exalted and become “gods”.
You believe these things due to a few verses in the Bible. The one most quoted over and over in defense of the Mormons here is this one…
“Is it not written in your law, I said ye are gods?” John 10 :34-36
Now first question is who’s law? It was written in man’s law, not Gods law. With just a little research you can find out that during Biblical times judges of life and death were called “gods”.
Your next scripture verse is normally this one…
Psalms 82:6
“I have said, ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High”
Again this verse is about judges and being just. Also the next verse is pretty telling he is talking about a man/judge because it says…
Psalm 82:7
But you will die like mere men; you will fall like every other ruler.
Do gods die like mere men?
This is typical Mormon spin trying to justify the crazy stuff their founders said.
The next problem for Mormons with Christians is the belief that God was once a man. Now I will say, this isnt in official Mormon cannon anymore. It was removed when the Mormons had to keep answering and trying to explain it (like most of the other crazy stuff from the past Mormons tr
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:47pm@Gonzo
Report Post »‘Muslims, Jews and atheists do good works all the time’
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Wow, first time I heard you say anything positive about Muslims or atheists.
brother_ed
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:55pm@MARTINEZ012577
You have more anti-Mormon bullet points than I do pro-Mormon bullet points!!
I am flattered that you have done so much research about our faith. Have you done as much research into to Lutherans, Presbyterians, or Cowboy by the River churches?
I have asked before, but I will ask again…
What are your beliefs? Give me your testimony. Try not to say “I don’t believe…“ or ”Unlike you, I believe…”
I think that at this time it is more important to focus on what we have in common, instead of our differences.
I bet we believe in a lot of the same things: There is a God, Jesus is His Son, Jesus died in order that all who believe in Him may be forgiven of his sins and return to heaven. We are taught to love God with all our heart and to love our neighbor as ourselves.
The list goes on, but you get the idea.
Why are you concerned with my religion? My actions do not affect your salvation.
Let me worship who, when and where I please and I’ll allow you the same.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:55pmGosh and we talk all the time Baikonur, geesh.
Report Post »marvel
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:04pm@martinez012577
Was Jesus of Nazareth God? Yes he was and is. This means that God was once a man at least in that one case. So if the Son can enter mortality and remain God, it stands to reason the Father could have done the same.
Mormons believe that Jesus Christ was God before, during, and after his mortal ministry, and we worship him as we do the Father in Spirit and truth. Mormons believe that God the Father is an exalted man, and that like the Son, he has a body of flesh and bone, and that just like the Bible teaches our bodies were fashioned in the image of God.
Our doctrine is in complete harmony with the Holy Bible, which makes zero mention of the word “trinity” or even the concept of the Holy Trinity.
The Encyclopedia Britannica: “The Christian Bible, including The New Testament, has no Trinitarian statements or speculations concerning a Trinitarian deity.”
We believe exactly what Christ taught, that he has a Father, who is his God and our God, and that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate divine persons who are one in purpose, doctrine, and love for us.
Which is what the early Christians believed before the doctrine was corrupted in the creeds of men.
Report Post »onemansthoughts
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:51pmGONZO….perfectly said…i need to post no comments of my own…
Report Post »onemansthoughts
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 3:02pmGod is spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth. Starting with the first truth as to who Jesus is… I worship the triune God (monotheistic not polytheistic ) The Father, Son and Holy Ghost, being three distinct personalities, of the same essence wrapped up in the ONE (singular) God. Jesus was God incarnate, Jesus came in the likeness of sinful flesh, again the likeness of sinful flesh. We are born after the similitude of Adam; sinful flesh, we are born sinners, born of a corrupted seed. Jesus is the Almighty God, the creator of all things. All things were created by him and for him.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:07pm@brother_ed – Martinez also believes that he can become a god as well, but he just doesn’t realize it…
According to Martinez, Christ is God because he stated that they are “one” – therefore, if his interpretation is correct, then its possible for us to actually become not only a God, but rather, part of the actual “Trinity” since John 17:20-21 says – “Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.” Thus, according to Martinez’s interpretation, we will all be part of the Trinity one day.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:14pm@onemansthoughts – Christ and God are spirit??? Please read below from Luke 24:39 –
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Pray about the above scripture and our Heavenly Father will also open your understanding that you might understand the scriptures and know that God and Christ each have a body.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:25pm(continued)
Of course we are all spirit in the sense that we are a spirit within a body. You and I are both spirit, but that doesn‘t mean we don’t have a body.
Report Post »lasvegan
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 7:57pmDeckle,
Report Post »You are the one that needs to dig a little deeper.
martinez012577
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 10:46pm@brother
I am a southern Baptist. My concern for the teachings of the LDS comes from one of my best friends is a Mormon. He has been all his life. He is a great friend, husband, father, he is a science teacher in a middle school. I have known him for almost 10 years now. We have shared our beliefs with each other and the more he talked the more difference I started to see between my faith and his. Things that I say here, are not just bullet points that I pull off a anti Mormon site. Alot of them come from us talking about his faith. He has been a Mormon his whole life and he does believe that God was once a man on another planet. He does believe their are many gods. He believes through his progression he will maybe one day become a god himself.
So I worry about his and his families salvation, because I dont think we worship the same Jesus Christ and God as I do.
Now as far as why I have a problem outside of my friends salvation is if I am correct, and the LDS is say a tool of Satan then every convert that doesnt wake up you have lead away from Jesus Christ and sent them to hell.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 12:55am@MARTINEZ012577
Fair enough.
Mormons and Evangelicals have a conference every 6 months and discuss doctrinal issues…they are far apart, as you can imagine, and end up parting as friends until they meet again.
I think I am right, you think I am wrong. it is a debate that may never be fully satisfied until the Millennium.
I understand your desire to save your friend and his family, but I think it would be wise if you realize that you may be wrong and try to be a little less contentious.
Jesus didn’t convert everyone, and neither will you.
Love is the answer, my friend. Yes, I do consider you a friend.
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 1:06am@brother
If I am right and one person is lead to Jesus Christ then I would type till my fingers bleed. I do not try to be mean in my posts, yes sometimes I get a little excited. One thing to keep in mind is I am called a bigot, hater, mean, mean spirited, hateful, disgusting, a nazi, a POS, a SOB, the anti christ, and a slander. All of those names I have been called have been from Mormons on these forums.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 10:16am@MARTINEZ012577 – I think you, ed, leftfighter, darren, etc. and I all have the same intentions. You have to remember that you yourself have called me a cult member and a follower of satan several times. So lets not fell sorry for ourselves.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 10:18amcorrection – “feel sorry for ourselves”
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 12:02pm@P8riot
I was deliberately trying to stay out of this one. Yes, the question is, “What is a Christian.”
Unfortunately, claiming Jesus but denying the Nycene Creed isn’t good enough. This is the primary (but not only) point of contention between Christianity and Mormonism.
I would agree that while we don’t agree on the status of Mormonism, we’re all on the same page as to politics.
Look, I have no major beef with Mormons, and don‘t people because they’re Mormons. All I‘ve done is point to major sticking points in theology that lead me to say I don’t believe Mormons are Christians. Facts aren’t hatred.
Side note: some of the best folks I’ve ever met have been Mormons- even better than some Southern Baptists I sit in church next to, from time-to-time. You definitely get an “A for Effort” in being good people.
Unfortunately, there‘s the whole Doctrine issue that’s a major ***** in the armor.
AAAGGHHH!!! I’m a racist!!! lol ;-P
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:44pmOh, that’s rich!
After going on an epic rant on how the term “***** in the armor” dates back to mideval times and has absolutely nothing to do with asian people, his own site censored the word!
Side note (and I’m not saying this for comedic effect because my story matches): I’m married to an asian woman, too!
You have *GOT* to be kidding me!
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:36pm@p8riot
I have not said you are a follower of Satan. I have said I believe Satan used Joseph Smith and created a false doctrine to trick people. I dont believe Adam and Eve worshiped Satan. I do believe they were tricked by Satan. I dont believe Hindu are Satan worshipers either, I are just tricked by Satan and following a false religion also.
Report Post »u_mad
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:19pmPeople like this reverend are the main reason people become atheists, and people don‘t respect faith and believers’ intellect.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:34pmVery true.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:52pmGraham‘s depth of knowledge as to the muslim world’s current campaign against Christians was refreshing to see. The man stayed calm in the face of clear attempts to entrap and provoke him. Idiots like you and Eurocommie BAIKONUR only show yourselves to be the cretins you are by attempting to belittle Graham.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:54pmwhy? because he spends his life sending massive amounts of food to starving people like those in north korea? because he leads a life directed by faith? those who look for any excuse not to be Christian will find anything to excuse it. Just don’t do so by tearing good people down and blaming your lack of faith on them. Faith is a decision each person has to make, blaming other people just shows a lack of character.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:56pmPeople like this reverend are the main reason a lot of people have something to eat and clothes to wear. http://www.samaritanspurse.org
onemansthoughts
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 2:42pmU_MAD….sorry bro, your not going to satnd before God and blame your unbelief on anyone but yourself….you chose your fate
Report Post »Soularcher
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:32pmPeople are convicted by God’s truth. They don’t like to see the true being behind their fassad. They decide to run away from it instead.
Report Post »UnrepetantCurmudgeon
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 6:26pmSorry. People become atheists because it is easier to scoff than to believe. It is easier to deny than to affirm. Proclaiming yourself an atheist also allows you the pretension of intellectual superiority, though I don’t know many who could have held the stage for long in a debate with someone like C.S. Lewis. Atheists always look for excuses, solely in order to evade the fact that finding a relationship with God would mean surrendering their materialist fantasies and devoting themselves to something far larger than themselves, indeed something far larger than they can even begin to imagine. It is the narrow and earth-bound vision that draws atheists, nothing more or less. And nothing repels them more than a person of faith who stands on that faith. Not because there is anything bad or shameful about such a person, merely that such a person is impervious to their attacks and the atheists hate him for that. So give it up. Franklin Graham has more honor in his little finger than most atheists will find in the entirety of their being.
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 9:07pmhttp://mbriley.preachersfiles.com/2011/01/24/what-is-pure-religion/
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:17pmHonesty is just shocking to the good folks at MSNBC.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:55pmI love the shots of that lefty asian woman seething while Graham takes the entire panel to school on the muslim world’s campaign against Christians. She spouts a few talking points before Grahman deflates them again. He stays calm and even toned while she squirms in her seat…priceless stuff.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 1:12pmThe armour of God is hard to peirce…and Franklin is armour plated from head to toe AvengerK.
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:16pmOh Lord, here we go again.I’m not sticking around for it.
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