Richard Dawkins: Barack Obama ‘Probably Is an Atheist’ (Lincoln, Kennedy & Clinton, Too)
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Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins
Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins continues to be a wildly popular voice among atheists. The famed scientist is using his name and clout to help nonbelievers around the world in their fight against the influence of religion in society.
In a new article by Daily News & Analysis, Dawkins is quoted as making some wild proclamations about the beliefs of various U.S. presidents (that a number — including Obama — have possibly been atheists), while delving into his ideas about how the education system can be used to strip religion out of society. His statements were apparently made at the Jaipur Lit Fest in India on Monday, where, among other subjects, he tackled his belief that education is key to defeating religion.
In order to understand the correlation the scientist sees between knowledge and belief in a higher power, one must first delve into his views on children’s learning. For Dawkins, education is the only “antidote” that can help stave off religion. What he essentially believes is that kids are being indoctrinated into believing in a higher power.
“We need to protect children from being indoctrinated. It goes on to the next generation and then they see that their children get indoctrinated,” he said. “Children are getting educated into the religion of their parents. We shouldn’t just assume that a child of a Christian becomes a Christian.”
But his qualms with religion go far beyond these statements. Dawkins believes that kids are taught that they do not need any evidence to believe in something when they embrace faith and religion. This, he said, “paves the way for the minority to become extremists.”
This is likely one reason why Darkins wrote the children’s book, “The Magic of Reality: How We Know What’s Really True,” which is focused upon delving into some of the world’s greatest wonders. Dawkins, of course, couldn’t help but include what he calls ”the Judeo-Christian myth,” as he apparently seeks to pass his atheism on to young readers. This, too, many would call a form of indoctrination.
Below, watch him describe the book:
Dawkins also contends that atheism is on the rise. In America, this is certainly the trend, although the proportion of non-believers is still relatively small, as 16 percent of the country counts itself as “unaffiliated.” It is increased education, though, that he believes will drive up this proportion.
“There seems to be a correlation with education. It’s certainly true within the US — the more educated people are more likely to give up religion,” Dawkins said.
While this notion is a commonly held belief — that the more educated one is, the more likely he or she will be to give up or simply not believe in religion — a recent study we reported on shows very different results. In fact, in this particular examination, it was working-class Americans who were more likely to leave their faith behind. Last August, we reported:
A new study released by the American Sociological Association has found that Americans who have only a high school diploma are dropping out of church faster than those who are more educated. According to LiveScience.com, in the 1970s, half of white Americans with a high school diploma attended church services at least monthly. Now, this proportion has dropped to just 37 percent.
Here’s the irony: 46 percent of Highly-educated, white Americans attend church now. In the end, among non-educated Americans there has been a 13 to 15 percent drop in attendance, compared to only a five percent drop among the highly educated.
This seems to challenge the contention that the more educated you are, the more likely you are to abandon or simply not embrace religion.
Here’s another study that found something similar.
Where Dawkins goes next in the DNA article is intriguing, as he claims that Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were potentially nonbelievers. Of course, he uses their intellect as a basis for his theory.
“I think Lincoln, Kennedy, Clinton, Obama may well be an atheist,” he said. “Obama’s a very intelligent man. He probably is an atheist.”
The Times of India quoted him as saying:
“I suspect we have already seen several atheist US presidents, they just didn’t admit it. I suspect Lincoln was an atheist, probably so was Kennedy. Obama is an intelligent man, so I wouldn‘t be surprised if he’s a closet atheist.”
Watch Dawkins in a past video interview showering praise upon Obama below:
Dawkins went on to say that, with 535 members in the U.S. Congress, “It’s inconceivable that only one of them is an atheist. There’s got to be at least 50% of them.”
The one individual he’s referring to here — the only declared atheist in Congress — is Rep. Pete Stark (D-CA).
These statements come after the famed atheist also said late last year that Jesus Christ would have been an atheist too. Dawkins has also been active in the formation of a support group for former clergy members who are now nonbelievers.
(H/T: DNA)
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barber2
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:42pmThink the president is an ardent believer in ‘social justice” – that the government is the distributor of goods and justice . And that he and the government ” knows best.” Maybe that’s where the arrogance of the Left enters the picture as they always act t;like they are the smartest guys in the room . They generally look down their noses at people who believe in God and the Bible. A weird mix of love and hate when you decide that you/ government gets to reward the poor and to punish the rich by “redistributing” stuff because Big Daddy Government knows best. A new form of old Marxism wrapped in a flag of justice. Not sure how God fits into these beliefs but don’t think the Lefties think God is nearly as smart as they are !
Report Post »2012OBAMA2012
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:50pmYou can sit there and PRETEND that the country views the lefts as looking down on thebible. it is such a laugh and everyone notices how you all try to turn your demons and your sinful ways on the left. EVERYBODY knows that the right is the party that does not allow people to live their own lives. And you people are the ones who are mean spirited. The party of ME ME ME ME.
db321
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:00pmRichard Dawkins – I thought he was dead – he killed our School Systems – He is trying to stave Christianity – He wants to indoctrinate our youth – These wackos just keep crawling out from under rocks!
Report Post »edcoil
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:19pm“The Atheist Paradox is the logical impossibility of proving that a greater being does not exist.
It is similar to the logical impossibility of proving that mathematics is free of errors. Godel proved that we can never know if mathematics is consistent, or error-free.
A greater being could reveal himself to some but not others. The most an atheist could ever say is that he has not yet become aware of a greater being. That begs the question of whether the atheist is still looking, or has given up.
Many atheists are in fact anti-Christians who find it more advantageous to preach as an atheist than as anti-Christian. Those who censor prayers by children, as in classrooms, are engaging in anti-Christian activities. An atheist would be unconcerned with loving prayers that he simply did not believe in. “
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:21pm2012hussien2012 wrote EVERYBODY knows that the right is the party that does not allow people to live their own lives.
Really why don’t you enlighten everyone on the legislation pushed by the “right” that intrudes on your personal freedom or your personal life.
Report Post »Everyone(except hussien sypporters)) knows that PROGRESSIVES are working to away all choice and turning control over everyones lives to a gaint Government.
JRook
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 2:10pm@barber2 Wonderful rant. The exact reaction a report with “Barack Obama ‘Probably Is an Atheist” contained in the titled was supposed to elicit. Pavlov rang the bell and the subjects responded.
Report Post »science_philosophy
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 2:13pmoh look, a democrat trying to get the jesus vote
Report Post »DrFrost
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 2:14pmAnother example of an academic making claims that he‘s always assumed are true but hasn’t actually researched and, in fact, aren’t true. Regardless, I really don’t care what he believes. He’s making a claim to support his position with only anecdotal evidence. Not worth listening to…. much like 2012OBAMA2012.
If you want to make claims, provide examples. You can certainly find examples where the Republicans voted for legislation that limited freedoms, grew government, etc. I mean, seriously, as a whole they’re better than the democrats on these issues but they are far from principled. Were you to lazy to do a little research or did you just want to vent off some steam?
Either way we really need a way to “ignore” some posters and “prefer” others. There are several posters I really don’t want to read ever again. I’m also not interested in seeing posts by people with little to no posting histories…. and there are others I do like to read because they’ve earned a measure of respect from me. A little java script and a small header inserted into each post by the server would handle this nicely and let people set their own viewing options, ignore lists, etc…
Report Post »Faith1029
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 2:39pmJohn 15: 18-25 18 If the world hates you, you know that it hated me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love it’s own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. 23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. 25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
Report Post »rickfromthecape
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 2:39pmnot so much that you look down on the bible you just look at it the wrong way. you think that when Christ says feed the poor He means the government. Christians understand that He means YOU AND I. That’s why conservatives outgive liberals.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 2:42pmexamples of Obama being athiest are not hard to find.
Just look at the way he ligislates, and know he does not believe in God. democrats have a goal of replacing parents and God, thus the nanny state. They lean to the left, keep going left, and you run right smack dab into communism. What is the first thing you get rid of when you start or begin a communist nation? They alwasy get rid of people owning guns and bibles. how easy is it to get a Bible in China?
You can not believe in Bible truth and support abortion, large scale welfare, socialism…..and all the other ideals that make the democrats what they are today. Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Clinton…. the whole lot is anti God, and anti Christian. They may mumble a litlte christianity when they feel it will get a vote or two from the uneducated, but they are athiest to the core.
Report Post »Nehemiah6.3
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 3:02pmMr Dawkins will join all the other atheists on the planet in shock when they die and find out that there really is a God, that he really did create the world. I fell sorry for people like this, they really have no hope of anything good. They will not win the argument ever. They have a lying spirit and will not see the truth until one day when they are no longer able to deceive themselves any longer because they are brought to see God face to face.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 3:04pmI agree with Dawkins, Obama is likely an atheist, perhaps at best an agnostic. You cannot spend 20 years in the midst of Jerry Wright and call yourself a Christian. Obama’s shows of “faith” usually manifest after prolonged and high profile cycles of criticisms that question his faith. Like walking to church in the fashion of Jews walking to temple and making sure he’s photographed. You cannot make statements like “punished with a child” and “abortions help fullfil dreams” and be of faith.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 3:06pmLike a good liberal..Dawkins knows it’s the children you want to indoctrinate, forget the adults.
Report Post »WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges07
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 3:29pm“Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins …”
“I suspect Lincoln was an atheist, probably so was Kennedy. Obama is an intelligent man, so I wouldn‘t be surprised if he’s a closet atheist.”
Well, “evolutionary biologist” kind of says it all … always on the wrong side of reality:
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Paydert33
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 3:37pmHey….loser dawkins…….book sense…..lacks common sense. Just look outside at the stars, sun, moon, flowers, trees and tell me there is no God??? Hey….smell the coffee instead of spewing your hatred of Our Lord. What a complete dummy. These people that think they are intelligent are actually the dumbest of all….like o-loser. ( He is propped up by the disgusting media). Up-the-leg-chrissey m. is a true example that will do anything for o-loser and so does r. madcow with her smirkey smile, and sarcastic words while ‘trying’ to discuss any Republican. We really have our work cut out for us. And tonight…..well, I will not be watching o-loser….. once again pitting us against each other with his class warfare. Disgusting!!!
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 3:50pm” Progressivism IS the religious idea that history is moving in a positive direction; that it is within the political power of human beings; within the political power of political activists and governments to remake the entire world and bring about a paradise of social justice! They believe that the way to do this is by increasing the power of government until the State is able to compel every man, woman and child to be just and good and environmentally friendly and healthy! In a word, “Progressive”. You can not compel human beings to be just and good without abolishing their individual freedom! This is the essence of the totalitarian idea and it is the Progressive idea! (This is the TRUTH that Glenn Beck has brought to millions of Americans! This is why Leftists hate him and attack him and why conservative elitists want to disown him.)” …
This is a transcript of the speech given by David Horowitz introducing Glenn to the group at Restoration Weekend this past November.
Report Post »normbal
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 3:55pmNo, The Obama is simply a radical leftist, marxist, muslim by upbringing who if anything is practicing taqiya to fool the simpleton christians (keep in mind something like 25% of christians 18 to 35 voted for The One last time, IIRC).
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 4:05pm@normbal:”No, The Obama is simply a radical leftist, marxist, muslim by upbringing..”
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We are on the same page here! P R O G R E S S I V E IS what Socialist, Radical, Pro-Jihadists and Anti-American activists call themselves today!
Bad_Ashe
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 4:07pmOh Dickie Dwakins — there was once a time when you only made me laugh watching you attempt to pass off your logically incoherent arguments as philosophy or even sound science, but now you simply have become a joke yourself.
Outside of his insignificant little cult of personality, does the man have any shred of reputation left?
Is this how desperate it’s gotten for him? Randomly claiming that historical and/or political figures are/were atheists because of their assumed high intelligence? This means that Dawkins is now roughly operating on the level of Internet atheist trolls who consistently lay claim that any historical figure who ever spoke a single critical word about religion. I’ve even seen them attempt to argue the atheism of Washington and Adams, both of whom were provably religious.
What’s next? claiming that Isaac Newton, John Locke, Francis Collins, and CS Lewis were/are atheists as well? Their high intelligence is without question, after all.
While I appreciate that the man is chasing his dream of being a stand-up comedian, I think Dawkins should leave the comedy to others and get back to what he’s really good at — running away from William Lane Craig.
Report Post »AmericanFightingMan1
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 4:11pmRight, the Bible was all about people living their lives as they see fit. Right. You might actually read the Bible before you speak.
God demands, through scripture, certain behavior. For example, gay behavior has no favor in the Bible. Yet the Left demands we accept it. So people must choose; God’s way, or man’s way. You chose the Left and man’s way. Others choose God’s.
Are some on the Right whacko. Sure. But the Left has “left” the Bible and God’s laws long ago. Time to reap what has been sown. And boy is coming in spades.
Report Post »alevanpa
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 4:35pmI don’t believe that there is any logical proof for atheism: From my (limited) understanding of the functioning of the universe (i.e., what I learned through Chemistry, Biology, and Physics), it is obvious that the Universe is an EVENT.
This particular EVENT begins all physical (Matter, Kinetic Energy, etc.) and unphysical (TIME, Mind, Space [distance], Potential Energy, etc).
In fact, the universe is, obviously, an on-going Event: It is still happening. It is not something that can exist or not exist-i.e., a “random event.”
I don’t know of any physical, or non-physical, event not preceded by a previous event(s). Scientists can go back into time and space and determine exactly where, and when, the universe began: The “Big Bang.” Obviously, with the initial event of the universe, begins Time, Space and Matter.
But, as I already stated, “I don’t know of any physical, or non-physical, event that is not preceded by an event(s).” Therefore, logically, some event took place which initiated the Universe Event.
What could that Event be-or, better yet-What could that initiating Event be like?”
Since The Universe Event is both physical (matter, etc.) and non-physical (mind, time, etc.), and the two co-mingle apparently seamlessly, whatever caused the Universe Event must include matter, time, mind, etc.-in short, everything that is in our Universe Event-because no Event, that I know of, is spontaneous: Something that isn’t
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rowanrobert
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 5:08pmThats right. ME ME ME ME! I want My money so I can spend it where I want it and benefit My family and neighbors!
Report Post »Bad_Ashe
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 5:14pmJust as an addendum to this Blaze article:
According to Pew, the 16% unaffiliated here in the United States (mentioned in the article) are not atheists, although folks at organizations like FFRF love to try and skew those numbers. Of that 16%, only 1.6% self-define as Atheist, 2.4 as Agnostic, and 6.3% as Secular Unaffiliated.
So depending on how generous your want to be with these numbers, the % of atheists/agnostics here in the U.S. is somewhere between 4-10%, at most 1 person per 10. Historical trends also show that those who list as “unaffiliated” are not necessarily non-theistic, and most will come to some type of religion as they get older.
While Billy Hallowell did a good job at disrupting the atheist = smartypants meme (used in honor of DIckieD), I really wish these % were used in a more accurate manner when it comes to articles such as this one, particularly with Dawkins making his ludicrous “50% atheist congress” claim.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 6:06pm@2012OBAMA2012
Okay, chuckles…
Give me one… ONE area where the Dems’ platform is in line w/ the Bible, w/o trying to say Jesus’ individual mandate (the only one I will voluntarily comply with) to tithe (not give to the gov’t- giving to God, mind you)…
Let’s check them off!
-God: Thou Shalt not kill. Dems: Thou shalt not kill people convicted & sentenced by a jury of his peers as a murderer, but unborn children who have never hurt anyone? KILL ‘EM ALL!
-God on homosexuality: “Do not lie w/ a man as one lies w/ a woman” Lev 18:22
“Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex w/ men … will inherit the kingdom of God.” 1Cor 6:9-10 (abridged)
- Jesus on wealth: “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions & give to the poor, & you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” Mat. 19:21 Notice Jesus gave the man a choice to give up his riches, & he said give it *directly* to the poor. Not that the gov’t forces his wealth to be redistributed. God on wealth: “Thou shalt not covet.” Dems: “Those evil rich people make too much money & we should take it to give to the poor!”
-God: “I AM the Lord your God. You shall have no other Gods before me.” Dems: “If you want to pray, you‘d better not do it in a gov’t building b/c we’re a diverse nation of many gods.”
I could go on but it would be pointless. You clearly are lost & w/o a clue.
God bless you. I pray one day the wool be pull
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 6:08pmFor the record, I think Dawkins is right.
Judging from his actions, Obama most likely is a godless heathen.
Report Post »Dionysos25
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 6:54pm@EdCoil To say that there’s an “Athiest Paradox” as you describe it, is logically unsound. A person of faith simply makes the alternate claim of an atheist. There is no way to prove the existence of God, any more than there is a way to prove non-existence. There’s no way to “prove” anything. There’s only claims with evidence, and claims without evidence. An atheist simply claims there is evidence that a personal God does not exist. A theist claims there is evidence that a personal God does exist.
Report Post »RCScrolls
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 7:04pmSo an Atheist knows whos an atheist. Right mmmmmmr Dawkins the more education that is distributed from the left who mock Religeon thats why highly educated people dont believe in GOD because the left runs the Universitys. Liberal crap is just that Crap.
Report Post »I have never been given one Biblical Contradiction never in my life that was legitamite.
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True Christianity isnt Religion it is Freedom , The word Religion means return to Bondage.
Christ isnt a religeous scholar He is the fulfillment of all odertestament prophesy and types.
He is the epithomey of anti Religious. I dare Dawkins to have a real conversation with a real Christian not TBN or its likes.
fatjack
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 10:03pmSEA
“I really don’t know why it is that all of us are
so committed to the sea, except I think it’s because
in addition to the fact that the sea changes, and
the light changes, and ships change, it’s because
we all came from the sea. And it is an interesting
biological fact that all of us have in our veins
the exact same percentage of salt in our blood
that exists in the ocean, and, therefore, we have
salt in our blood, our sweat, and in our tears.
We are tied to the ocean. And when we go back
to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch it,
we are going back from whence we came.”
–Pres. John F. Kennedy, Australian Ambassador’s Dinner for
the America’s Cup Crews, September 14, 1962, Newport, R.I.
I remember Kennedy making this statement.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 10:28pmWhy the hell would any reasonable, or even unreasonable person on the face of planet earth listen to a word this moon as to say? The clown makes stupid appear to be genius.
Report Post »SaraD
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 11:07pmHe’s probably right, don’t forget many of our founding fathers too. So what, seperation of church and state goes both ways. This time its in the christians benefit, see how that works? It’s worked well for years.
Report Post »SaraD
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 11:09pmI will never vote republican because the want to make gov’t smaller for businesses but bigger than ever for ordinary people by legislating what we do in our bedrooms, and who we do it with, and what we can at our doctors office. That’s personal.
Report Post »mikee1
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:40pmOnly a fool says there is no GOD. Never liked any of these 4. But it fairness to Lincoln, his writing and speeches all recognized GOD ALWAYS. But then again, in his time, there was no such thing as an ATHEIST. THEY WERE JUST CALLED FOOLS. LOL.
Report Post »science_philosophy
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:19pm“Only a fool says there is no GOD.”
Because your holy book says so? Rather than address the logic of whether or not there is a god, it simply insults those who are skeptical.
Report Post »MrObstat
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:48pmOnly a fool says that “only a fools says that there is no God.”
Report Post »MrObstat
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:49pmOnly a fool says that “only a fool says that there is no God.”
Report Post »commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:49pmGod is just a man made word, Lincoln was refering to his god not your make believe christian myth.
Report Post »StanO360
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 2:24pmMike ignore all the trolls. Atheist just need to be asked “Why?” to everything.
Report Post »-Why should we care if children are atheists or not?
-Why should we care what past Presidents believed?
-Isn’t science completely irrelevant and non-nonsensical without a purpose behind it?
etc.
boost91
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 4:05pmAtheists…yes you are so smart. Lets consider….Myself, a Christian, if my belief is correct Im good and you’re screwed, and if your belief is right we are both screwed….Sounds like youre kinda screwed…but you are so damn smart arent you??? Hell is gonna be rough, but all those against the lord deserve their fate. god is merciful but do not mistake mercy for weakness. All those who oppose the Lord SHALL suffer, nobody forced this suffering on you, you choose it and will spend eternity suffering, kinda sad!!!
Report Post »Bad_Ashe
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 4:26pm@SCIENCE_PHILOSOPHY – I’ll take that bet. There is little doubt that I (and many others here) can successfully explain the logical possibility of God’s existence (that belief in God is both reasonable and rational) in a superior manner than you can explain why the claim “Only a fool says there is no God” is insulting to skeptics.
Since you clearly believe that yours is the easier task, I will await your response.
@COMMONSENSEFREETHINKER1 — Your grasp of the obvious is stunning; all words are man-made words. This has nothing at all to do with the existence or nonexistence of what those words refer to.
Report Post »Bad_Ashe
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 4:34pmAccording to the March 2010 issue of Social Psychology Quarterly, the average atheist has an IQ of 103 (population average being 100), so in all fairness to the atheist, I wouldn’t call them “fools” necessarily.
Maybe not the brightest bulbs in the room…but still.
Report Post »PeopleDontWantTheTruth
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 8:38pmBottom Line: Those that say there is no God …
1) Ignore the obvious evidence of DNA. As a software developer, I understand to have code, there must be a coder.
2) Have not taken the time to study the Bible. The Bible shows itself to have authority. If one would stop trying to be right and honestly seek the truth, they would see that the truth is undeniable.
Yet, instead of at least informing themselves, most will inflame. That is something about which I can do nothing.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:36pmI would say Lincoln had a pretty good grasp on Christian theology.”Neither [side] anticipated that the cause of the conflict [i.e., slavery] might cease with, or even before, the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God‘s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered; that of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. ‘Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!’ If we shall suppose that American Slavery is one of those offences which, in the providence of God, must needs come…”
-Abraham Lincoln
Report Post »NOBAMA201258
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:55pmHow can dawkins think Abraham Lincoln “may have been an atheist”? What does this ******* think Thanksgiving is about or that Lincoln“s last words were ”We could go up to Jerusalem” ?
Report Post »Capitalist Mama
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:34pmYeah I don’t get it either. Anyone with a half a brain who has read Lincoln’s writings for half a minute can clearly tell that Abraham Lincoln was a devout believer in God Almighty!
Report Post »science_philosophy
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 2:22pmwhat’s so great about Lincoln? I don’t understand why some conservatives have this love affair with a virtual dictator who shut down presses, arrested dissidents (in the north), devalued the currency through the greenback, said that he would keep slavery if the confederacy just came back peacefully, wanted to send black people back to Africa, opposed blacks marrying whites, ordered attacks on southern civilian targets, was a lobbyist for large railroad companies…
maybe I am answering my own question
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 6:20pm“what’s so great about Lincoln? I don’t understand why some conservatives have this love affair with a virtual dictator who shut down presses, arrested dissidents (in the north), devalued the currency through the greenback”
oh great another ‘libertarian’ who doesn’t like liberty for black people apparently.
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 6:39pmLincoln was an anti-theist. Some quotes by Lincoln: “The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession.“ ”My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.“ ”The only person who is a worse liar than a faith healer is his patient.”
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:34pmLOL – yet more laughable statements if it weren’t so tragic. This man is beyond foolish. The only thing I agree with is that we’ve probably had some atheistic presidents. So? What he leaves out are those that were very intelligent and are on the record as stating they were indeed ardent Christians AND lived lives that indicated they were and gave reasons why — like Washington, Adams, most of our Founders. (www.wallbuilders.com)
Report Post »Lincoln wrote that he was an agnostic I believe until the Battle of Gettysburg(?) when he became a true Believer. I guess you could say they were lying or something since no one knows one’s heart, but don’t think you can say with any credibility they were probably atheists.
Oh yes, and then there are the intelligent scientists who are Believers (book “Scientists Who Believe”).
Re indoctrination of religion – atheism/humanism/liberalism are religions and they are the ones being taught in our schools. And no – the more you research facts, history, the Bible can be proven to be true without reasonable doubt. And no, Christians don’t tell children you have to “believe” without proofs, just the opposite. Proofs are everywhere. People who remain atheists do so simply b/c they have chosen not to seek the Truth, don’t want to be “accountable” to a “God”.
I pray for him and all others to be “enlightened” before it’s too late………….
hi
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:45pmI agree. Some good books to back up what you said are The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. He was an atheist Yale law graduate who hated christians. He set out to disprove the Bible. On his journey, he realized that the Bible is true. He became a Christian.
Walt Brown, PhD frm MIT wrote Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood. He gives scientific proof of the creation and flood. He also writes the evolutionist theory so you can compare and decide.
Josh McDowell has a list of specific prophecy Jesus fulfilled.
There are many scientific and logical books written about the Bible. We don’t not blindly believe.
The Bible says to have a reason for why you believe.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:03pmThere are plenty of Atheists who have become Christians.
There are plenty of Christians who become Atheists.
There are plenty of Christians that become Muslim.
There are plenty of Muslims that become Christian.
There are plenty of atheists who became Mormon.
There are plenty of Mormons who became Christian.
What’s your point?
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:50pmI would like to add someone to HI’s list. CS. Lewis was also an atheist who set out to disprove God and became a Christian. Also to ad a great book to the list: Lee Strobel has an awesome book called “A Case for Faith”.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 4:43pmGood place to recommend this clip again. If you watch make it to the end of the first 10 minute segment and go to the next. Dr. Baucham makes an incredibly compelling, fact-based argurment (much along the reasoning of Lee Stroebel) but with his own highly educated position. I love the fact that he did advanced studies at Oxford…….the same school where C.S. Lewis taught. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPNraxxxRO8
Thanks again to the Blazer who originally posted this a few months ago. It has been a blessing to many!
Report Post »sealwifenyc
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 6:41pmWeak people need religion. Immoral people need religion. People who believe they can do whatever the hell they want and apologize to some obtuse figure who will absolve them from any responsibility are truly pathetic. As a human I subscribe to the church of being a nice person, always trying to do the right thing, accept people for who they are, and apologize to the people who you actually have hurt, not to some mythical figure. In addition to the obvious scientific fallacies lies this sheer absurd belief that a child molesting murderer will go to heaven if he apologizes for what he has done, yet I will go to hell, despite dedicating my life to a career in medicine where I treat children with brain cancer, while being in a difficult marriage so my husband can protect our country? Please. I have sadly seen many kids pass away and God is never in that room, but in the rooms where kids are saved is not God, but a scientist who believes the existence of God is laughable at best. Ask my husband about God, he will let you know if God does exist, he apparently is to much of a ***** to be in the war in the middle east and when things get rough, you rely on your teammates and your training because that is what you can count on, “God” wants nothing to do with you then.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 11:06pm@ SEALWIFE
Welcome to your first day on the Blaze. Read your previous posts. It must have been a tough day for you.
You went from:
“when you see a 3 year old child battling a brain tumor the size of a baseball, it makes it hard to believe God actually exists.”
“thank god they believed in my dreams”
You sound conflicted.
But you did hit all the leftist agenda points on your first day defending gays, abortion, atheism and the newest agenda of mercy killings. You’ve had quite an busy day, seemingly, before and after going to your job of helping kids with terminable brain cancer. Why exactly are you on a conservative news and opinion site?
Oh and sorry…..but this one makes me think you’re creating you are a poser:
“I have unfortunately seen many people pass away, I practice neuro-oncology so it comes with the territory, but the people who are the most unhappy when they die are people who………believed some obtuse belief in god would save them.”
I know of far too many people who have died in Christ and their experiences immediately prior for this statement to be true. You are being disingenuous at best.
P.S. Do you consider “being a nice person” as calling others pathetic and weak? I guess that is relative considering abortion is perfectly acceptable to you.
Report Post »the wireworker
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 12:58am@ sealwifenyc
from reading the comments in your post i think that you don’t think God is big enough for you ie: why doesn‘t he just swoop down and fix all of man’s problems? why do bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people? why is there suffering?
if you look at God through the prism of time i can see where people come up with “what in the world is God doing?” i can assure you he is in the hospital rooms, on the battlefield and yes he does forgive those who ask for forgiveness “not apologize, (true repentance)” but he knows their hearts so i will let him be the final arbitor on that matter.
if you look at God (omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient) through an eternal prism (as much as a person can reason eternity) then you see that suffering only last for a blink of an eye and for that matter the whole of time as we perceive it lasts for only a blink of an eye.
sin is the problem, it is the decay, it is the suffering, it is the fall of man. sin has always been paid for by the shedding of blood, whether it is mans inhumanity to man or it is the work of Jesus Christ on the Cross, one leads to ruin, one leads to eternal life.
darkness does not exist in and of itself, it is just a word that man has given to describe the absence of light. i cannot flip the dark on i can only turn the light off.
Report Post »sealwifenyc
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 1:25am@copatriots I am so flattered you took an interest in my postings. Just FYI- NO I am not a poser, this morning I was just off a 72 hour surgery rotation. While trying to stay awake so I do not miss skype with my husband overseas, I decided I had to comment. Usually I just read the articles and some of the comments and feel an instant need to cleanse my body of any residual racism, ignorance, sexism, or hate that may have rubbed off. Then go in search for conservatives who believe in freedom, like actual freedom, fiscally and socially. As far as my statement regarding people who pass away in reference to their belief in God, I stand by it 100%. Its a pattern I have seen, on a daily basis, as well as other Physicians I know who treat terminal patients. The sad truth is even while people are in the midst of dying they feel a need to comfort the ones they love, and family and friends feel a need to feel like they are at peace with it. Usually, its not genuine of the real feelings of that person, the conversations they have with their family and friends is often times at complete odds as to what they are telling their DR. Its not some theory I have, I witness it every day. In response to the weak comments, I made those to people who were attacking others based on sexual preference etc. People being cruel to others who they think are different are weak. My husband fought for his gay brother’s rights in the military, that is a man.
Report Post »loveoursoldiers
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:34pmThey have propaganda coming from everywhere. I bet we, the people, are paying for a propaganda czar and a propaganda department… by some secret executive order
Report Post »Food stamp POTUS? nah
If I were Newt I would say I misspoke and that Obama is really the agendawelldisguised potus.
natez60789
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:33pmDawkins is ignorant and arrogant…people say Christians are forcing their beliefs on people but he is forcing his beliefs on people
Report Post »science_philosophy
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:20pm“people say Christians are forcing their beliefs on people but he is forcing his beliefs on people” So Dawkins is putting a gun to people’s heads to make them into atheists? Didn’t know that.
Report Post »Capitalist Mama
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:36pmYes, because obviously Christians are putting guns to people’s heads to convert to Christianity…
Oh wait, that’s the “Religion of Peace” Islam- they use bombs too.
Report Post »StanO360
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 2:29pmHis reference to children indoctrination and education is something that the USSR, and Fascists would have been quite comfortable with, so yes he is on the verge of proposing putting a gun to peoples heads. Atheists have described Christianity as a mental illness or teaching a child Christianity as child abuse, the logical next step to such thinking is to use police power to control parents and the religious instruction of their children.
Report Post »natez60789
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 4:24pmit‘s silly to say that he is putting guns to people’s heads, obviously i didn’t mean that…but he is targeting the education system to make sure there is no influence of any religion over them, no sign what so ever…let families be families, let parents raise their children they way they want to (unless, of course, it’s abusive or innapropriate)…i’m all for separation of church and state but to deliberately aim at the public education system and use it for your own propaganda is ridiculous
Report Post »Miyegombo Bayartsogt
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 7:30pmI am currently watching a video series on on the Christian Inquisition. For more than 600 years, good, pious Christians tortured, interrogated and burned people alive as a way of bringing Europeans into the gentle hands of an intolerant Christ church. Sure, in those days Christian hands became blood-stained and a bit burned, but they happily spread terror and tragedy in the Lord’s name. Back then, Christians thought they were saving sordid souls for the Pope and Rome so the Christian Church would use any method, commit any barbarism and call it Jesus. No, Christians have been horrific in the past and the only reason people like Dr. Dawkins aren‘t being publicly beaten and burned at the stake today is modern day Christians don’t have the power they had in the past to commit mass murder for their squalid beliefs. As an anti-theist, all I can say thank the mighty gods for that.
Report Post »libertarian_atheist
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:27pm“Dawkins believes that kids are taught that they do not need any evidence to believe in something when they embrace faith and religion.”
Absolutely true. “Question everything” is an attitude everyone ought to adopt. Of course if the interpretation of God a person might subscribe to (take your pick of the thousands of gods and millions of interpretations as the “right” answer) includes the caveat that doubt and investigation are a sign of the devil or a general prerequisite for the express train to hell, then you arrive at faith without evidence even quicker. Faith through fear and/or tradition certainly, but not faith through rigorous examination.
The uneducated are poor. I’d argue that the poor have much less reason to have faith, so the larger drop doesn’t surprise me. I can’t help but laugh that “more educated people are dropping out, but not as quickly” is portrayed as if that’s a pro-faith statistic.
As someone who is educated (formally and informally), my life has been easier. More money, less problems despite the phrase; the religious see less problems = more “blessings.” My life is great, but I rather doubt that God is so interested in my happiness that the billions in poverty and other misery must be just less interesting to the God. If the Almighty refuses to protect the innocent and those who believe, can we be surprised that those who especially experience that lack of protection – the uneducated poor – are coming to grips with rea
Report Post »hi
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:39pmGod says to believe with your heart, soul, and MIND. He wants us to question because when we research, it increases our faith.
God created a perfect universe. He allowed free will. When man sinned, death and suffering entered the world. He allows mans free will which means there is much suffering that you mentioned.
But, He always had a plan for redemption. When Jesus returns, Paradise will be restored. Wolf and lamb will graze side by side.
Report Post »maroon67
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:40pmI’m marginally educated and do believe in our God regardless of who you are (atheist, muslim, jewish, catholic, christian, etc.). He is one of the same and One above all. The Holy Trinity will prevail!
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/hear-my-urgent-plea-to-pray-for-the-souls-of-atheists/
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 4:21pm“Absolutely true. “Question everything” is an attitude everyone ought to adopt”
you atheists sure don’t question evolution…and those that do are sued, silenced, harassed, and fired like sternberg and crocker.
“Faith through fear and/or tradition certainly, but not faith through rigorous examination”
I mean this is beyond laughable…do you think CS Lewis, for example, didn’t rigorously examine christiantiy? puhleaze.
its called projection…its what you unthinking atheists do with your own racist atheist fairy tale known as evolution.
Report Post »Bad_Ashe
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 5:01pm@LIBERTARIAN_ATHEIST — The well-thought response is appreciated, but you have quite a few problems with your argument here. While “Question everything” sounds good on paper, but this is impractical and impossible. Does anyone seriously question the basic axiomatic logic behind 2+2 =4?
How often do we seriously question if we are who we think we are? Do we seriously question if the universe was created 15 seconds ago with the appearance of age?
There are certain properly basic beliefs that we take at face value everyday, otherwise we wouldn’t be able to have a productive existence. In both life and in school, ALL education is a form of indoctrination to varying degrees.
When it comes to moral or ethical truths, do we ask that our children (for example) question the immorality of cold-blooded murder? No. Indoctrination, I say!
Additionally, there are numerous studies showing that children tend to come to teleological explanations on their own, based simply on observation and logic. So if children naturally tend toward belief in a higher power, is embracing theism a greater or lesser example of indoctrination than atheism?
The problem with militant atheists is that they simply don’t like the somewhat-naturally and culturally occurring religious “indoctrination” that roughly 90% of the global population and at least 84% of the U.S. population participate in.
After all, it‘s only indoctrination if it’s not atheist approved.
Report Post »PJL
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:27pmLincoln? Seriously, dope.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:42pmPerhaps you should do a little research.
Report Post »Bad_Ashe
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 5:04pm@Pontiac – Given this comment and the previous posts you’ve made in other threads, I would suggest you do the same.
Report Post »loveoursoldiers
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:26pmand I’m probably Santa Claus
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:24pmI highly doubt that those mentioned were true atheists. I see this as a non-issue. Not sure why it is even a news article here.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:33pmBO was raised as a muslim….I do not think he ever saw the light of Christianity!!!
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 2:01pmobama wasn’t raised a muslim. no proof. nothing.
Report Post »mbriz
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 4:54pmThe story is on the blaze because beck likes to throw red meat to the clones, to feed the hate. Facts do not matter on this site.
Report Post »Ironeagle
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:20pmWhether or not Barry Soetoro is an atheist is irrelavent…one thing we know for sure…he’s a boldfaced, liar.
Report Post »hi
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:20pm1/3 of the Christian Bible is prophecy. Some prophecy has been fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled 300+ very specific things predicted about Him written 700 years before he was even born.
Atheists are willfully ignorant.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:07pmLol
Report Post »Miyegombo Bayartsogt
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 7:41pmMy tears, they turns to laughter.
Report Post »Ironmaan
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:16pmWhether or not he is an atheist is speculation. What is not speculation and is fact, is that his policies run afoul of gods law. He is attempting to moralize THEFT in his redistributional rhetoric and policy.
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RANGER1965
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:16pmWhen your opinion is unpopular, and despite all of your efforts, cannot be proven empirically, the next step on this road is to try to convince people that the powerful, great, and the good, all secretly hold to your belief.
His next step will be to find all the villians he can, and try to convince people that they were deeply religious.
As SYCHINLEGACY remarked, this tends to be a weapon used by the insecure. I have seen it used by Christians that are insecure about their faith.
The problem for the Atheist is that as a Christian grows in his faith he becomes closer, and more secure with his Lord, and he see’s these tactics for what they are, lies and deception. They become unnecessary because of the powerful reality of God Almighty.
The athiest on the otherhand never grows, he is never comforted with the assurance of Truth. He has stopped wondering, stopped asking questions, because there is nothing there but emptiness. All he can do now is refine the old arguments, sharpen his knives of deception, but it will never be enoug.
It always leads to the same damn place. A desolate life, and a shattered, broken soul.
Atheism comes straight out of the pits of hell.
Ranger
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:37pmWell said RANGER1965
As for this quote from the article……..
.“There seems to be a correlation with education. It’s certainly true within the US — the more educated people are more likely to give up religion,” Dawkins said.
What Dickey Dawk is really saying can best be understood by replacing the words “education” and “educated” with “indoctrination” and “indoctrinated”.
That would make sense.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:05pmHere is a good article for any who care to read it.
http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2011/02/07/two_kinds_of_atheists/page/full/
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:09pmThe same could be said of believers.
If they weren’t indoctrinated by their parents, chances are they wouldn’t be of the same faith as their parents.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:20pmHey MOD
In the article I linked to…………….I think I see you in there.
You will probably claim to be “one kind”, but most here probably think you are the “other kind” the author speaks of.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:35pmMODERATIONISBEST Wrote:
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:09pm
“The same could be said of believers.
If they weren’t indoctrinated by their parents, chances are they wouldn’t be of the same faith as their parents.”
Hey MOD,
Interesting choice of words there.
Your statement implies that they would still be of some “faith”, even though it may not be the same “faith” as their parents.
That kind of leaves your “faith” out of the equation, doesn’t it?
I mean…….because atheism isn’t a “faith” or a religion at all, is it?
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:49pmI didn‘t want to make the assumption that if they didn’t practice their parents religion that they wouldn’t be a religious person.
Of course some would be atheists which has nothing to do with faith.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 2:00pmYes, of course.
LOL
Give me a break
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 2:54pmMODERATIONISBEST says:
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:49pm
“I didn‘t want to make the assumption that if they didn’t practice their parents religion that they wouldn’t be a religious person. Of course some would be atheists which has nothing to do with faith.”
MOD,
Why would you NOT want to make that assumption?
I mean……if atheism is truly the only logical way, (so say you), and the young child is not influenced by any outside sources whatsoever, they should just automatically stumble in to being an atheist, right?
So that being the case, you WOULD make that assumption.
Why would only “some” become athesits?
Report Post »red_white_blue2
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:16pmYeah “Dick” Dawkins–I’m very intelligent and am a believer. I tell you what, you believe what you want and you LET everyone believe what they want…how’s that work for ya!!??
Report Post »MarsBarsTru7
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:14pmDawkins is one of the worst proponents of atheism going. He loses virtually every debate he engages in. About the only things he has going for him are financial backing and the fact that no matter how ignorant and illogical the atheist position is proved to be he won’t back down. He adheres to it without proof or logic – tragically ironic?
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:25pmThat’s why he ended up with Mr. Garrison……..I mean Ms. Garrison…….LOL
Report Post »Marine25
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:12pmAtheism is on the rise in America. Numbers driven up I believe by never-ending discovery by science and never-ending talking by believers.
Report Post »hi
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:26pmThe gate is narrow. Only a few will enter. Repent! Jesus loves you. Stop rejecting Him and telling Him you do not want to go to heaven.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 4:23pm“Numbers driven up I believe by never-ending discovery by science”
too bad that science doesn’t discover anything to back up that racist atheist fairy tale known as evolution….but data doesn’t matter to the faithful darwiniac!!
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 11:47pm@MARINE
And while atheism is on the rise, our culture, morals, and decency are in decline.
Do you think there is any correlation there?
I do.
Are you a student of world history?
Report Post »momrules
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:11pmDawkins is close to right about Obama. Obama is no atheist, he does believe in Allah.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:10pmWasn’t it Aristotle who said something like “the smarter you get, the more you realize that there is so much you don’t know?”
I contend that if people trying to prove religion wrong would instead try to prove it right – by following the tenets of a religion, in particular Christianity – the world would be by far a more peaceful place.
Report Post »Harry Assenback
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:06pmObama (PBUP) is not an Atheist.
Report Post »Marine25
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:15pmI think all the folks who love so much to call Obama a Muslim are hyperventilating over whether they would rather call him a Muslim or an atheist. I will bet you anything within the hour someone on this post will call him both.
Report Post »Perhaps they will have to call him both just so there little empty heads won’t explode.
conservativeblackman
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:19pm@Assenback Your right, he’s not an atheist. He’s a closet muslim! In his own words, http://youtu.be/tCAffMSWSzY
Report Post »Harry Assenback
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:43pmKind of like your head exploding while you attempt to defend a failed President huh? Put your politics aside Marine and see Obama for what he is-over his head and driving this Country into the ground. When a company has a weak CEO they terminate him/her. No harm and no foul-life goes on. We are that point now. It is time for new leadership because our economic future and success as a Country depends upon it.
Report Post »psalm33
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:04pmCraig Groeschel wrote a book “The Christian Athiest – Believing in God but Living As If He Doesn’t Exist”. Not very uncommon, unfortunately…
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:27pmYou better get checked for Alzheimers pal, you’re repeating yourself a lot.
Report Post »psalm33
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 12:08pmOf course, couldn’t possibly have been a computer glitch.
Report Post »psalm33
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:01pmCraig Groeschel wrote a book “The Christian Atheist – Believing in God but Living As If He Doesn’t Exist”
Report Post »broker0101
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 11:58amOh, no! A Hated Atheist just said something nasty about Obama! These comments are going to be Fun to read!
Report Post »hi
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:23pmWe don’t hate him. We pray for him. Only libs hate people.
Report Post »RightThinking1
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:59pmYes, I always turn to Richard Dawkins for the settlement of any moral issues. I mean, he engages a ‘personal morality’, so he must be fount of Truth, no?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 11:57amLincoln read the Bible every day. Why would an atheist do that? The rest of them…you’re probably right Dawkins…enjoy Hell.
Report Post »broker0101
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:05pmMan, are you in for a disappointment when you draw that last breath and wink out of existence. Just like before you were born. Enjoy your meaningless, misguided Life, it’s all there is.
Report Post »Marine25
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:09pmLincoln never mention Bible or god in any writings or speeches until he began running for office. Jefferson admitted he was a deist, but was extremely critical of all organized religion. My guess Jefferson was a non-believer. Lincoln, too. I think for a lot of politicians christianity is one more hand they have to shake, one more baby to kiss.
Report Post »Harry Assenback
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:15pmBroker……..Can you explain how the smallest particle known to man can exist?
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:23pmI think Lincoln was Christian I’ve read alot of his writings his Christian ideology is what helped lead him to the conclusion that slavery was wrong.I also think he was at odds with his faith because he was gay.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:25pmBroker, You certainly are an expert on meaningless, misguided life.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:27pm“The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.”
Report Post »I don’t believe in athiests. They all know there is a God. But admission of that fact demands an answer for their sins. Sinners hate to be told that they are a sinner. I was the same way. A christian is nothing more than a sinner that admits it, repents of it, and tries not to offend God again by doing it. Though, we do every day. If we die and find out we were wrong, oh well. If you die and find out you were wrong, it will be in an eteranal lake of fire my friend. Better check yo self.
Harry Assenback
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:59pmWell said Brother Squid.
Report Post »randy
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 1:16pm@BROKE
NOT a disappointment at all
Official hospital records stated I died for 1 minute and 37 seconds in the ER 6 months ago.
No Pulse, no heartbeat, no brain activity during that time.
When I woke up, an angel (ER Nurse) was sitting by my side holding my hand.
She smiled at me and asked where I had been. I said Heaven and she smiled and said,
“Welcome back!”. Her name was Maria. When I was discharged 4 days later, I asked about the
ER nurse Maria. No one knew of her.
I saw heaven and I‘m looking forward to returning when it’s my time.
So, as for you, I’m smiling,
Report Post »Won‘t you be surprised when you find out you were wrong and it’s too late?
EchoHawk
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 2:04pmJust because you can fog a mirror now doesn‘t mean there’s any brain activity now.
Report Post »dblaess
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 3:07pmbroker0101
Report Post »Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:05pm
Man, are you in for a disappointment when you draw that last breath and wink out of existence. Just like before you were born. Enjoy your meaningless, misguided Life, it’s all there is.
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If you are right then I have nothing to lose by taking the moral teaching of the Bible and God’s word to live my life. You can live your life by the teachings you dictate.
When I die and wink out of existence, I will have made a difference by living a decent life. However, if you are wrong and there is something after and that something is God and his judgement of how you used “His” gift of life to iimpact the world, I will let you worry about that situation.
Bottom line, The option is there. God has put out the Word and you can do with it what is right for you as can I and trying to eliminate God will not happen.
SychinLegacy
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 11:56amWhy is this guy so insecure in his atheism? Sounds like he’s having doubts about himself…
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Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:25pmGood question. Why can’t atheist be happy in their nihilist beliefs, and leave the rest of us alone.
Report Post »GodHatesFigs
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 12:35pmWhile some atheist are nihilists, being an atheist does not make one a nihilist.
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