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Richard Dawkins Joins Other Atheists in Forming Support Group for Non-Believing Clergy

Richard Dawkins Clergy Project Seeks to Attract Atheist Clergy Members

Famed atheist and co-founder of The Clergy Project, Richard Dawkins

Atheists have become increasingly creative at disseminating their message. Earlier this month, the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Science and Reason and the Freedom From Religion Foundation announced a new, public web site geared toward attracting non-believing former clergy.

The Clergy Project, which first launched as a private, invitation-only site back in March, seeks to bring together religious clergy who have lost their faith. Here’s how the project is described on its web site:

The Clergy Project is a confidential online community for active and former clergy who do not hold the supernatural beliefs of their religious traditions. The Clergy Project launched on March 21st, 2011.

Currently, the community‘s nearly 100 members use it to network and discuss what it’s like being an unbelieving leader in a religious community. The Clergy Project’s goal is to support members as they move beyond faith.

Among the issues the group claims will be discussed are: dealing with cognitive dissonance, handling fears about the future, looking for new jobs, telling one’s family about newfound unbelief and finding a way out of ministry, among others.

Already, the group has 100 members, with hopes of drawing even more pastors, priests, rabbis and others who are fed up with faith and religion and are looking to move on as “freethinkers.” The project is a collaboration that comes from Richard Dawkins (who also recently released a new children’s book that touts evolution), philosopher Daniel Dennett, researcher Linda LaScola and former preacher and co-president of FFRF, Dan Barker.

The project serves as an encouragement to get pastors and clergy who are living in secret with their disbelief to “come out.”

“We know there must be thousands of clergy out there who have secretly abandoned their faith but have nowhere to turn,” says Barker. “Now they do have a place to meet, a true sanctuary, a congregation of those of us who have replaced faith and dogma with reason and human well-being.”

Richard Dawkins Clergy Project Seeks to Attract Atheist Clergy Members

Dawkins and others behind the project contend that clergy often have an extremely difficult time leaving ministry. So, this project is an attempt to assist them in doing so. Dawkins writes:

“It is hard to think of any other profession which it is so near to impossible to leave. If a farmer tires of the outdoor life and wants to become an accountant or a teacher or a shopkeeper, he faces difficulties, to be sure. He must learn new skills, raise money, move to another area perhaps. But he doesn’t risk losing all his friends, being cast out by his family, being ostracized by his whole community.

Clergy who lose their faith suffer double jeopardy. It’s as though they lose their job and their marriage and their children on the same day. It is an aspect of the vicious intolerance of religion that a mere change of mind can redound so cruelly on those honest enough to acknowledge it…”

One participant named “Lynn” says that she’s an active Methodist pastor who is an atheist. She said that over time the “truth” became more evident to her, describing the Clergy Project as “a lifesaver.” She writes:

“I resisted my doubts at first, but the nagging in my brain wouldn’t stop. So I embarked on a journey of researching and discovering that what I had believed for so long wasn’t true.

I’m still in the pulpit, as I stated above. There are a couple of reasons for this. First, I made a commitment to my church and my denomination to serve this appointment. Second, the financial issue. If I walk away now, my family will suffer greatly…Every week I struggle with the fact that I’m lying when I stand before my congregation. I’m leading a double life.”

Apparently, there are others like “Lynn” who are also living a lie. This new “safe haven” will provide what these atheists say the former faithful need to move forward in their lives and to exit the religious systems in which they find themselves “stuck.”

The group’s members will purportedly remain anonymous for the most part. The screening process to become a member of the community looking pretty rigorous.

(H/T: The Christian Post)

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  • Buddhaboy
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:30pm

    @Joe 1234 – It saddens me to see such an intellectual titan like yourself trolling the post of sites like this. You must have everything figured out. Hope that works out for you. God bless you kid.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:39pm

      I do enjoy my life Buddahboy. Tell me, do you ever get tired of contemplating piles of colored sand? Bow season is open and I’m naming my first deer after you. lolol

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    • catholiccowboy
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:07pm

      joel234…

      heres something to ponder… If you are right that there is no god, then all you have to look forward to is a grave six feet below the earth where one day a giant oak tree will grow up between your chest cavity and eventually no one will even know your name.

      but…If i’m right… then although I will die, I have the promiss of eternity were one day I will be unity with not only my family,but all the saints that came before me. I am not a gambeling man, but when I did I can tell you I lost way more than I ever won. I like my odds over yours.

      Also I would have to say there is over welming proof that God exists…and If you consider all that was happening in the world when Christ walked the earth..you would come to the unstanding that we knew what we were dealing with, we understood who Christ was. We had the Roman empire…that was not fake, would you agree? And we had the pyramids…Archtectual wonders that they are…and some of the greatest mathmatical minds…..Yeah I’d say we knew who Christ was!

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    • MrGeek
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:15pm

      CCowboy: That is a very weak version of Pascal’s wager. You are basically saying you believe because you’re hedging your bets for when you die. So if there is a god and he indeed knows everything … get your asbestos suit ready!

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    • Biscuit Feed Bubba
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:17pm

      @JOEI123

      It must be miserable to be gay and pyschopathic at the same time.

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    • jb.kibs
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:19pm

      So… they are creating a religion based on nothing?

      and… faith is bad why? faith is what got People where they are today… we would be slaves to the pharaohs, ceasar, kings, etc today without faith… you can keep your faithless life… without faith and God, we will end up destroying life daily based on genetic makeup. which in turn will slow evolution, adaptation and natural selection to a crawl. if there is not God, then why should anyone care about you or your problems, i’d leave you to die, as the wolves do. that is life son, that is what you want? Good luck with that. God = Everyone is family under God. You look after your family, even the ones that go astray. Without God, where do you get your rights? the government? that is laughable. so they can take them away at their will? what right does one mortal have to control the rights of another? 0. Honestly, people, as a whole, are LUCKY that there are people who believe in God. you need to think about that deeply. people, who TRULY love God, do not kill in the name of God. People kill for Politics and Money under the guise of everything but those two. God = freedom from the control of man, pure and simple. there are countless stories in the bible about being freed from bondage and control of governments. Never once in history has an atheist freed anyone from bondage. in fact, it is usually atheists who enslave other “worthless” lifeforms.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:23pm

      Catholiccowboy, you’ll be in the same place you were when you die as before you were born: NO WHERE! As for myself, if my wishes are carried out, I’ll be cremated and scattered in the breeze off the end of my dock. Looking forward to it without fear sadness or remorse. It‘s just part of what we all get when we’re born. Do you really grasp how insignificant we humans are? Imagine a beach that stretches from Alaska down to Chile. All those grains of sand. Now imagine each grain of sand is a galaxy and in each galaxy there are stars and planets etc. Well, we’re just tiny little primates living on one of those planets and our lives are as brief as a carbonated bubble in your beer glass. POP! POOF! Off ya go like eveyrone before you and everyone after you. Big deal. Be a good person and enjoy your time here, because we’re all bubbles in the beer glass of the universe. LOL

      And Glenn Beck needs to get over himself and his nutty ideas.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:24pm

      Biscuitfeed, I wouldn’t know. You’ll have to ask yourself or your shrink that question. Good luck bucko! LOL

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    • GodHatesFigs
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:25pm

      @ CATHOLICCOWBOY
      I’m assuming you are Catholic because of your name. So what if you are wrong about your god and the muslims or mormons are correct. It’s not just a simple either/or.

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    • Biscuit Feed Bubba
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:30pm

      @JOEI234

      You have a seared conscience and you are repressing some traumatic experience. My guess is your uncle did something to you and he told you it was just a game.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:34pm

      biscuitbubba, I suggest you engage in some homosexual activity and get it out of your system and off your mind. Who knows, maybe you‘ll discover it makes your quiver shiver and you’ll be the better for it?! LOLOL

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    • catholiccowboy
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:37pm

      joel234…you just mad my point for me….all those grains of sand represent the awesome power of God…he has created everything, and it’s more than our minds can comprehend. I looked around ,both Hi and low to find someone to idolize, someone to to say WOW, here is an example of a true man, a loving soul who cares not about himself but of others. Helped the blind to see, helped the lame to walk, helped the dead to rise again. You know I just couldn’t find anyone to measure up to God. Life didn’t just happen, It took something bigger than this tiny universe to become what we see all around us! Can you say you have found someone greater and more beautiful to believe in then God?

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    • GodHatesFigs
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:42pm

      C’mon, cowboy, what about my objection. I’ve posed the question to many people on theblaze but I have never received an answer.

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    • catholiccowboy
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:52pm

      joel234….the more you think about it the closer to God you will get. If you continue to debunk the existance of God you will soon begin to realize how wrong you have been. The life that lives inside you proclaims his existance. It will make itself known in time, you can’t silience it forever. Agapa is greater than all other forms of love!

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:52pm

      Catholiccowboy, unlike yourself, I don’t need to believe that an entity created our universe. When science finally sees back to the beginning (and they get closer every year) we’ll all have a better idea of what really happened, but the concept of everything has to be created by some entity is childish in my humble opinion. It seems awful primitive to me, especially being an educated person in this day and age. That narrative is just plain unlogical. Some big spirit/entity/god whatever you want to call it has to be the one that made all this?? WHY? Probably because that’s all that bronze age people could think up. I’m not buying it. They were wrong about a lot of things and that idea is just one of them.

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    • catholiccowboy
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:11pm

      Godhatesfigs….

      Here is your answer….There is a funny thing about truth, It only exists in singular form…meaning there is only one truth. One of us is wrong and one of us is right, Christ claimed it to himself …I am the the way, the truth, and the light of the world. Nuff-said! All those other religions are of a man mad origin! Christianity goes all the way back to Moses….the God on the mountain baby!

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:15pm

      And science goes all the way past that mythical mountain and burning bush all the way to almost the beginning of the universe!! That is unbeatable. And there’s more to come every day!! Thank your lucky weasel sack that you’re living in this modern world. LOL

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    • Timothy_Reid
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:17pm

      @fig the answer is very simple. A person will be held accountable for how well they live what they believe as what they believe fits with gospel principles. A Catholic won’t be held accountable for the doctrines in the muslim or LDS religions, they will be held accountable for how they lived the priciples they learned through the Catholic Church as those principles apply to our Lords gospel.

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    • catholiccowboy
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:24pm

      joel234….

      see even you believe in something, Your theory is of a scientific basis….fine….. God put the foolish things in the world to stump the wise, and when science looks all the way back to the begining…do you know what they will see? ….I do! Anyway “ I LOVE YA” and I really mean that….see ya.

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    • Biscuit Feed Bubba
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:43pm

      @JOEI234

      You seem to be unshakable. Congratulations. My opinion is that most, not all, of your type leave their faith to justify their sinful lifestyle. However, I would have to assume that you are a honest, moral and trust worthy Atheist.

      Thanks in advance should the wind catch your ashes and spread them in my vegatable garden, after digestion, you will propmtly be returned to the soil. LOLOL

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    • MrGeek
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 4:28pm

      @CCowboy,
      The fact that the Roman Empire and the Pyramids exist in no way prove the existance of God.
      Nor do the passages from a book written by men? Catholic church records show that when the council was conviened to decide which gospels would be included in the new testament they selected only the ones that supported the position of the current church hierarchy. There were many gospels written about Jesus that indicated he was a prophet, but not the son of god, only a man. Those books were selected to promote a view of Jesus, not as he actually was, but 400 years later when the church was splintering and the the church aristocracy wanted to support a position that would allow them to oppress and eliminate those who did not share their point of view.

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    • joe1234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 7:40pm

      don’t confuse the ORIGNAL JOE1234 with his evil clone wanna be joeI234…

      the new is just a punk loser wanna be….

      wants to be me, can never be me….can’t hold a candle to me…but tries so hard…but he’s a mental midget.

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    • joe1234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 7:41pm

      “And science goes all the way past that mythical mountain and burning bush all the way to almost the beginning of the universe!! That is unbeatable.”

      yeah your racist god darwin is a joke…

      beginning of the universe…ok tell me how your god darwin created the matter for the big bang…and set it to go boom!!

      what a buffoon.

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    • Bad_Ashe
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 10:57pm

      @CATHOLICCOWBOY – What JOEI234‘s obtuse little brain can’t comprehend is that if the universe didn’t expand at the rate that it is expanding, if the creation event and the ensuing matter had taken a different form, if the cosmic constants were off by just the smallest fraction, etc., we would not be here. Compared to the size of the universe we are just specks, yet consequently if the universe were not what it is, we would not be here. It’s almost as if it were….designed that way. Go figure. Seems we specks are pretty unique indeed.

      Somewhere out there, JOEI234 is drinking a cold one right now and shuddering at the fact that someone believed the constants of the universe were designed. I can almost hear him now…

      “LOLLOLLOL, stupid Sky-Daddy! Incredulity! DAWKINS! CREATIONISTS! Grrr! ”

      Yes, in my narrative, JOEI234 has the atheist version of Tourr. Syndrome

      Cheers!

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  • db321
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:29pm

    Hey FidelCash and Joel,

    Are you having fun – you may want to get check yourself – seriously, it appears that you both get up everyday and try to prove something you don’t believe in – doesn’t exist. Sounds insane – call it what you want – the Bible cause it tormented – we will pray for you.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:45pm

      HAHHA! There we go folks! Iwas waiting for it!! “we will pray for you” Well, no YOU WON’T! You don’t know who the heck I am. So you can chant to yourself until you‘re blue in the face and your knees are as numb as your skull and it won’t make a damn bit of difference one way or the other. It’s funny though. I‘ll be enjoying life and your little nasty comment will be discarded and forgotten but you’ll be thinking about joe1234! LOLOL Joke’s on you DB321. (I know what DB stands for now. LOLOLOL)

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    • Kaoscontrol
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:04pm

      Joe1234 is just a nasty jerk. Hey JOE. You‘re not going to win anyone’s respect, or persuade anyone to adopt your point of view by being an idiot. You’re just showing everyone what sad and mean atheists are. Who wants to be a jerk like Joe?

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:19pm

      ““we will pray for you” Well, no YOU WON’T! You don’t know who the heck I am.”

      Joel, explain to me the logic of this statement. It seems to me that you are saying that our prayers can‘t make any difference because we don’t know who you are. Let’s set aside the presumption in this that specific knowledge on the part of the one praying is required for proper control of the prayer, rather as if it was a precise procedure that required precise knowledge, instead of prayer being directed to an omnicient God who could fill in the knowledge blanks. If I said to God, “help Anonymous”, God, if he exists, surely knows who anonymous is better than I do, and he knows his needs better than I do or even better than Anonymous himself does.

      But let’s set that aside. What intrigues me in your statement is the implication that if we DID know “who the heck” you were our prayers would have a better chance of working. Surely you can’t believe that. If there is no God then our prayers are equally ineffectual whether we know you or not. Conversely, they are also equally effective. So the point of your GOTCHA seems to have zero logic.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:31pm

      Iselsfordian, I knew one of you would come back at me with that argument. Thanks for making me feel right again. And another thing, since there is no god (what a silly idea anyway) your praying/chanting whatever has no effect on me life at all, but the funny part is, whoever is praying will be wasting their time thinking about “JOE1234” when I’ll be enjoying myself with a cold one in front of my fireplace and a big plate of venison or maybe even duck breast (yummy!) So there ya go maestro! lol

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:51pm

      Joe, maybe you should inform yourself about what prayer really involves before spouting off about it. It really makes you sound ignorant. Though in comparison to your unreflective and simplistic atheism I guess that doesn’t matter much. But really, it takes us less time to pray for you than it does for you to type a single insult to us. All we have to do is say, “Oh God, help that idiot” and BOOM, we’re done. In fact, it is less time than that. Our mere thought of you is encapsolated in the knowledge of your damned foolishness and need to be saved from it. It’s like an intellectual identifier, a philosophical “face” that we “see” when your name pops up. “Oh, THAT poor fool”.

      It takes no time at all. You’re not that complex.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:03pm

      Islesfordian, Jesus would cuff you back side of the head for trying to insult another like that. That was extremely unChristian, which is pretty standard operating procedure for all you Church Lady types with big mouths who do more harm than good for your silly cause. You just tried to make me mad but all you really did was make me laugh and make yourself look mean-spirited and evil. I win yet again! LOL Like I said bucko – fish in a barrel! lolol

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:43pm

      Joe, it’s amusing when you respond by trying to tell an actual Christian what Jesus would do and what is true Christian behavior, since you don’t believe in Jesus, God or Christianity. And we KNOW this, so you must know that your responce is discounted on its face.

      So why do you do it? Why not argue on your own principles? It just seems pathetic.

      The fact that you

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    • Free2speakRN
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 4:17pm

      Joe1234,

      We agree, time will tell. No? Either way, The Golden Rule is a respectful way to live. We all know it. It builds character. It hits the heart. It ain’t easy. Besides, No man wants to be lied to. Nobody wants to be wronged in their own mind. These are basic anthropological truths that transcend culture. I say to you, try to lead a good life and be open to the possibility of an Unknowable God. Thus, The Golden Rule mixed with an ‘I-don’t-know-what’ honest mind-set. There is the time/space continuum. There may be infinite universes, infinite dementions, things we have no words for. But the natural mind tells us, what is true, is true. Whatever is, is. It transcends the thought of science meta-physically. Truth is true because it’s true. So, Golden Rule/be open. It may suddenly come down to a last flash of the will. Time will tell.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 5:01pm

      Free2speakrn, what is real is real and what is imagined is imagined. Believe what you want but don‘t try to place the burden of your beliefs on another’s back.

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    • Free2speakRN
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 5:14pm

      Joe, do what you want.

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    • joe1234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 7:45pm

      “I‘ll be enjoying life”

      how can a fat ugoy wanna-be loser enjoy life? hell bet you never even had the guts to ask a girl out, loser. LOL

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  • barc
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:26pm

    Dick Dawkins:
    You are one day closer to your recall date. You can then explain you philosphy to your Maker.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:47pm

      There ya go BARC – making your lame threats. You bible-thumpers just hate it when you see another person who doesn’t buy into the lies you yourself have swallowed. Must be envy.

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    • AlansTigg
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:57pm

      WOW, you should probably lay off the coffee or whatever has you so spastic. And in case you were too jazzed up to understand it, BARC did not threated anyone…simply stated a fact, we are ALL one day closer…not a threat, just reality. Seriously dude, calm down a little, breathe, and stop worrying so much about something you don’t even believe in anyway

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:00pm

      alanstigg, mind you won bess wax. Besides, youget a little thrill every time you see another one of my posts pop up and you can’t wait to read it and you know it. So be honest for a change. lol Never know what I’m gonna say next, do ya? That’s the fun of it.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:07pm

      Mind your own bees wax. Jesus! I’m typing too fast and laughing too hard.

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    • AlansTigg
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:21pm

      sorry, didn’t realize you were a troll until I returned to this thread and saw your plethora of posts…have fun, God Bless.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:27pm

      Yeah right Allenstig. EF U too bucko.

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    • SovereignSoul
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:32pm

      You did NOT just invoke the name of Jesus! Did you?

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  • Constructionist
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:24pm

    I would not think that there are a lot of ‘active clergy’ who do not hold ‘supernatural beliefs’. Sort of like being a Navy Seal that can’t swim. It would also be interesting to know why the former clergy is ‘former’. NAMBLA anyone? Does it strike anyone else that polling former clergy about religion is a little like polling former wifes about their ex-husbands? I’m sure they all have good things to say.

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    • db321
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:31pm

      Well Said!

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:41pm

      So WHAT? lolol Dawkins is a great man who does great things. He sure has freed a lot of people from the burden of delusion and superstition.

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    • MrGeek
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:53pm

      You are correct, the sample space is indeed corrupt. However, there are numerous ex-clergy in the US, and since we don’t know why they are “ex” we can’t actually use them to support an atheistic view of the world. They could have left due to an “awakening” or they may simply have been fired, or they may have had a crisis of faith, this doesn’t make them atheists. We cannot form intelligent conclusions without the proper data.

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    • joe1234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 7:55pm

      dawkins is a gutless loser who‘s been punked so many times he doesn’t have the guts to debate christians or creationists anymore…he knows what a fool they’d make of him, as they have so many times before LOL

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    • Bad_Ashe
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:15pm

      @JOEI234 – Dawkins is great. I agree. It was great when “The God Delusion” came out and it was universally panned by mathematicians who demonstrated that Dawkins couldn’t do math, theologians who demonstrated that Dawkins is ignorant about theology, and philosophers (even atheist ones) who came out to show that Dawkins is a putrid philosopher. There was even some bad science in there too. I thought all of that was great!

      You know what else is great? When Dawkins lies about debates or interviews in which he was embarrassed. When he claims he was misled in spite of the email exchanges and taped conversation showing he clearly was not, or when he claims certain debates never occurred until someone discovers the recording of them.

      It’s also great how Dawkins readily debates soft targets, but avoids an opponent he knows will hand it to him like William Lane Craig…by claiming he doesn’t do debates…that is until the next soft target comes along. Of course, since most of Dawkins’ arguments have been exposed and ripped asunder, there aren’t many soft targets left, so he dodges them all. The sign of a great man, indeed!

      Let us not forget such Dawkins classics as attempting to arrest the pope, claiming religious upbringing is child abuse, or admitting to not being opposed to the idea of directed panspermia in an interview. All the signs of a reasonable, rational, and let’s say it (because we’re all thinking it), great man!

      I admit it JOEI234 – when you’re rig

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  • tylertxsteve
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:23pm

    Atheists hypocrites
    After seeing Bruce Gleason of Backyard Skeptics a group of atheists out in Orange County, California who was out at Huntington Beach Rip Up Bible Verses During Anti-Christian Protest. And after many hours of researching atheist literature. I am now process of mulling this all over it becomes very clear that they are a bunch of wimpy people. Atheists as a group are spineless people and here is why. They say that the Christian religion is for the weak minded who has beliefs that they don’t believe in “ and atheists (believe) that the immoral laws written in the Bible should not be used in today’s society. “We want to make this a better world for secular and humanistic values. We don’t believe religion adds anything except a sense of false hope.” He So here is the question, what about Islam, Muslims, Allah, or the Quran. Dose it work? Should it not be used in today’s society? They pray, do there prayer works? Islam goal is the establishment of a one world religion with one holy book the Quran and Sharia law. They execute gays, Adulteress woman (not men, ), chop off the hand if you steal, they will kill ALL infidels, etc. when was the last time in America a person was executed for being a gay. Muslim men make all woman where what they want, believe that suicide bombing is noble. So the big questions is why is it that atheists NEVER PROTEST against Islam, Muslims or the Quran .They always attack the Christian religion, are you afr

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    • goatrope67
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:32pm

      You have obviously read a very narrow percentage of the Atheist literature out there. The aim of Dawkins and other Atheists like us is not to “attack Christianity” but to point out the flaws in religion. All religion. When the Backyard Skeptics ripped out pages of the bible (an act which I personally thought was childish) they were doing so in a Christian country. Making a statement about the religion that is prevalent in the area in which you live makes sense if that is your agenda. What doesn’t make sense is to rip out pages of the Quran as if that little act would have any real impact in the community in which the complaint is being made. In the end though, ripping out the pages of any “sacred text” of any religion does nothing to the religion so it is an act that is wasteful. As for Atheists being “wimpy”…that is an opinion you and I won’t share. By saying that we are wimpy because we have given up believing in yours, or any gods, is not really an argument, it’s just an opinion.
      This story is highlighting the fact that that Dawkins and Co. are opening up an avenue for those that have lost their faith. He’s not trying to take away yours. It is impossible to take away a person’s belief. You can take away their freedoms and make it difficult to practice but you can’t take away their belief. Just ask an Atheist.

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    • Bad_Ashe
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:34pm

      @GOATROPE67 – And atheists say the religioso are delusional. “New” Atheists like Dawkins, Harris et al. are not simply unbelievers pointing out the “flaws” in religion; they are attacking it, attempting to remove it from the public square, and their rhetoric is often the worst sort of vitriol. How you can read Dawkins comparing religion to child abuse, read Harris contemplating killing others for their beliefs, or scan any of the pure hatred coming out of Michael Onfray to make the claim you make here with any sort of intellectual honesty.

      In truth, I have doubt that YOU have read the vast majority of atheist literature, but I can always provide many revealing (and scary) quotes if you’d like.

      -Cheers.

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  • loneindividual
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:23pm

    Fenrir has broken free.

    Hey Atheists, do you really want to dance with us Demi-Nihilists? Do you really want to dance with Death?

    Lets begin by clarifying, that Morality by its nature is superstitious and has no natural place in the world.

    Theists are at least logical in their reasoning as Existentialists. You Atheists on the otherhand, have no God to preserve your feeble mortality…Instead, you seek to provide yourselves immortality.

    GOD HAS NO CLAIM ON YOU NOW!

    Enter in by the Jaws of Fenrir….there’s no place to run, except into the Arm of the God you profess to hate so much.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:54pm

      See folks? That’s what you get when you eat those magic mushrooms and post on intenet forums. LOLOLOL hey pal, you’re nuts.

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    • Howyinthehills
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:35am

      You say, “Lets begin by clarifying, that Morality by its nature is superstitious and has no natural place in the world.” Then I would ask, what is morality and what does it mean to be superstitious? Morality is just a set of guidelines we use to guide us in the directions we take and the things we do. Some of us come by our moral code from religious institutions, some by applying reason and logic to our everyday existence and yet others by “intuition or feelings”. Superstition is the irrational acceptance of a belief. Obviously Morality based on reason and logic invalidates your assertion. As for its place in the world, try living with no presuppositions as to what is for you or against you, I am not sure you would survive one day on your own.

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  • LiberalMarine
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:22pm

    I am an atheist, but I have to force myself not to cross the line into Anti-Christian territory. I won‘t disparage anyone else’s faith as long as they don’t disparage mine.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:38pm

      Not me. I enjoy sparring with stupid people who claim they’ll “pray for me” and tell me I‘m going to burn when I die because I didn’t submit to their nonsensical stories. “You sure are gonna be sorry when you meet GAWD. He’s gonna do this and that to you ’cause you mocked Him.” LOL Yeah, I know how rthin skinned those UNIVERSE CREATORS can be. LOLOL!!! HAHAHHAHAHAHA!! Holy crap!! I almost wet my pants that time!! LOLOLOL

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    • catholiccowboy
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:38pm

      Hey….liberalmarine,

      We are all religious……some of us just don’t know it yet!

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    • biohazard23
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:45pm

      I usually don’t agree with your posts, but I do this time. The whole concept of “do unto others” is something we all could stand to remember.

      But I would like to ask you this since you’re an atheist:

      Why do a lot of atheists care so much about something they claim to not care about? If one doesn’t believe in God, that’s his choice. Believers should not stop you from having those beliefs if that’s the way you choose to go. We will pray for you, but we won’t stop you. :) But what’s so wrong with leaving believers alone? I’m having a hard time understanding why some atheists (like Fidel and Joe) insist on disparaging those of us who do not share the same belief system. I respect your belief system even though I don‘t agree with it and I won’t make a big stink because you don’t agree with mine. But why is there such a push-back from other atheists who just can’t leave others alone?

      Just wondering. :)

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    • LiberalMarine
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:50pm

      I think part of the reason for some atheists to act like that is because many people who do believe try to push their beliefs on us in many different ways.

      For example, is a politician doesn‘t agree with gay marriage then just say it is a personal belief don’t say it‘s because that’s what god wants.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:57pm

      Biohazard, I can only speak for myself, but have you ever seen Dana Carvey do his Church Lady routine? If you have, don’t you just want to smack that woman? That’s how I feel. Hope that helps you understand wher some of us are coming from. lolol

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    • lukerw
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:00pm

      So… just as I always said… ATHEISM… is a RELIGION!

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:10pm

      Lukerw, just because you say it doesn’t make it so. You can say that snow is yellow, but unless it’s winter and you have a beer in your hand and your zipper open, it’s still gonna be white.

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    • biohazard23
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:22pm

      Thanks, guys, for your responses! I’m a Christian, but even I don’t like those “churchy” types of people who act all holier-than-thou and know every scripture in the Bible but they don’t live it. Sure, we’re supposed to try to lead people to Christ, but we can’t go around beating them over the head to do it. Those people may have the knowledge of all things religious (doctrine, rituals, etc), but to me they don’t have the spirit. Condemning people for not believing the way I do isn’t going to open any doors to conversation, just like bullying someone to do something isn’t going to make them want to do it.

      I thank you both again for taking the time to answer me. If you don’t mind, I’ll still say a prayer for you. And don’t worry: I won‘t pull a Church Lady on you and tell you you’re evil. :)

      Have a great afternoon, gentlemen!

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:38pm

      Biohazard, I like what you saying. If everybody had that POV, there’d be less bad vibes in this world. You nailed it bro!

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    • goatrope67
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:44pm

      @Biohazard23….imagine for a second that you are an Atheist, driving down the highway of any major city in the U.S. and you see a huge sign that says “Think God” or one that asks you “Have You Been Saved?” Do you feel that at that moment you could just ignore it? And what if you are at your house and someone comes up trying to bring you the word of god or to help you understand why their religion is the only true religion, do you think you’d be uncomfortable? The thing is, we as Atheists see that every single day. Not only do we see and experience that but we are also inundated with messages that Atheists are stupid and are destined to burn in hell. We’re lumped into the heap of blame for the failing economy and state of this country. We’re also forced to either stay “in the closet” or “come out”, both of which are phrases that have applied in the past to things like homosexuality. This means we have an opinion that those around us think should be quieted. The religious on the other hand are expected to announce their belief. They are meant to proselytize. Unfortunately, our beliefs are counter to the prevailing thoughts of this country so everything we say or do will be done with a strong stance, because we are expecting a backlash. In the end, the short answer to the this long diatribe is, ignoring the beliefs of others is hard when they are shoved in our face.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:58pm

      Goatrope, AMEN bro! Er…I mean, you nailed it. That’s exactly why we free thinkers get irritated with the believers of supernatural spirits etc. It’s constatntly shoved at us because we are the first to wake up to reality. Just gotta be patient. In time, we’ll be proven right and our ranks will swell.

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    • biohazard23
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:12pm

      Goatrope, you are correct when you say that we are supposed to bring nonbelievers to the Lord. However, no one said we’re supposed to be all Church Lady in the process. I don‘t like having the Jehovah’s Witnesses coming to my door anymore than the next guy. I find those people to be quite annoying. I have no time for those fire-and-brimstone preachers who use scripture to condemn everybody to hell with no chance of redemption. Nor do I have any use for those “charismatic” preachers who are nothing more than thieves playing to the guilt of gullible people (”Put your hands on the screen and be SAVED, my child! Send me $5000 and you will go to heaven!!”). But if I have an opportunity to witness to someone about my faith, I’ll do it. If it’s an uncomfortable topic for someone, I respect that and move along while hoping that a seed has been planted that might blossom into something. I try to not bludgeon folks with my personal story because being heavy-handed like that doesn’t get anyone anywhere. It’s like the radical muslims calling for infidels to convert or be killed. Who wants to voluntarily convert to a belief system like THAT???

      As for the signs asking if you’ve been saved, they only have as much power as you give them. I understand that you don’t like to see them, but it’s just a sign. That’s only my personal take. I may be wrong, which has been known to happen, but that’s just me. And I won’t beat you up with by beliefs, either. :)

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    • Timothy_Reid
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:34pm

      @joe actually the US supreme court rule athiesm to be a religion. You know, those people who follow the seperation of church and state doctrine (which is misinterpreted BS anyway)? That’s just the court ruling, there are also multiple reports of how, why, and what Athiesm has in common with any traditional “believe in a supreme being” religion. Say what you wish, but Athiesm IS a religion by definition. That being said……I respect your beliefs and wish you well.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 4:12pm

      Yo Joe I234:
      You are correct about the manner in which many “christians” state their faith and condem you. Jesus Himself said that He did not come into the world to condem it but to save it. I do wonder how much you really know about the bible and all that surrounds it. I also do believe that many “christians” do speak out of love and with a genuine concern for your soul. If I saw you about to walk into the line of fire from another hunter on a hunting trip I would call out to you to stop. I would warn you. Many that mention hell are only doing just that. If I see this senerio about to happen and say nothing it would indicate that I don’t care. I would like to take your beach and sand anology, that you mention above, and say this….. consider each of those grains of sand a lifetime (say 80 yrs.). I actually did this once. I counted out enough grains to fill a small container and then dumped that into a larger and them in a larger until I filled a 5 gallon paint bucket and then filled a wheelbarrow. I have this number written down somewhere. My point being the number of lifetimes in one wheelbarrow was unbelievable let alone the stretch of beach that you describe, and then to think that eternity makes this look like a gnat in the universe, I for one will not apologize for the warning given. Though you may need to forgive us for the spirit that this message is sometimes given in. For you to focus on that would be a ploy of my enemy…whom I fight against for you.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 5:06pm

      Tim Reid, to not believe in something is not an organized religion and I don‘t give a rat’s furryfanny who tells me otherwise. I’m not buying it. Period. Not believing in the stuff bronze aged people cooked up in an attempt to explain the world doesn’t equate to a religion, no matter how hard you believers try and torture logic to make it so. LOLOL OK? Get real.

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    • Timothy_Reid
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:55am

      @joel it would seem by way of opinion and fact that you are mistaken in that assumption.

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  • KAZ-2Y5
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:20pm

    As Coward Richard Dawkins fully realizes, the religion of Atheism and it’s false god Evolution, is MADNESS !!! Atheism cannot hold up academically, and Evolution cannot hold up scientifically. This is why he refuses to debate Dr. William Lane Craig and others.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:24pm

      You have it all wrong, which comes as no surprise. Evolution and atheism can exist apart from each other for starters. You are confused and it shows.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:37pm

      “One participant named “Lynn” says that she’s an active Methodist pastor who is an atheist. She said that over time the “truth” became more evident to her, describing the Clergy Project as “a lifesaver.” Yep…and I’m betting that the rest of them will come out of the Methodist, Presbyterian and other such false churches. If you are a non-believer in charge of a church congregation…you should most definitely step down. Maybe this atheist organization does serve as a “Synogogue of Satan” and hopefully more of Satan’s minions will wind up there. At least it makes it easier to identify the enemy.

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    • KAZ-2Y5
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:41pm

      JOE1234: Sorry, as we ALL know, once Evolution falls, atheism will be declared dead. Atheists NEED evolution to be true in order to have any standing. Now, evolutionists can stand alone as clearly many theists finds certain forms of evolution reasonable. Your ignorance is bliss, correct?

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:04pm

      Kaz – it’s your delusion. Make it as crazy as you want. That’s your right. But it’s my right to size you up as a goofy nutter. LOL

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:34pm

      Joe is here somewhat correct that atheism and evolution can and have existed separately. But the problem lies in the way they have existed. Atheism in the past existed within previous cosmological contructs that have since become extinct. The old philosophical systems of the Greeks that allowed some philosophers to dispence with a concept of creation had lobg ago been replaced with a Christian understanding of linear Time and causality. It is in this cosmology that modern science was born and modern atheism needed to find an explanation that fir into this Christian cosmology. Evolution existed in modern philosophy before it existed as a concrete scientific theory. Atheists were looking for a way to show that all things to be accounted for without God in a system of universla linear causality.

      So, atheism without evolution might have been possible outside this cosmology, but in it there is no way to remain a credible atheist if the evolutionary scheme of causality crumbles. No modern scientist is going to propose that the universe has always been this way and that there is no need to look for a cause for what exists.

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    • Timothy_Reid
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 4:50pm

      @joe You’re not making any arguments. You’re just saying someone is wrong and name calling. If you are going to respond may I ask you to do so with actual discourse? Thank you.

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    • joe1234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 8:14pm

      “Evolution and atheism can exist apart from each other for starters. ”

      you atheist wackos will never let go of evoluiton…no matter what the data shows…its evolution…PRAISE DARWIN…that racist eugenicist…

      the racism is what you atheists really love about evolution…

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    • Consentiondum
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:13pm

      @Kaz
      Non-belief, belief and an acceptance (or more appropriately an understanding) of evolutionary theory are all mutually exclusive. One can easily believe in God and accept evolution, one can also be an atheist and not accept evolution.

      Evolution holds up quite well scientifically. Modern biological science makes little sense outside of the context of evolution. Science is an interesting process, all major constructs that explain the world around us from empirical data are called theories. There are many laws and observed individual natural processes that go into a theory as a whole. The scientific method demands that experiments and studies be preformed to test, re-test in the same conditions, and re-test in varying conditions each law and observed process. Sometimes something comes along that challenges a held assumption–this also must be retested. Occasionally an assumption needs to be changed because of this. Herein lies a problem. There appears to be a group of people adamantly opposed to the theory of evolution. They have this tendency to grab hold of an experiment or study that discredits a facet of evolution, they then hold up these things and loudly proclaim them as proof that evolution is not true. The problem here though is this: For every one of those studies you have seen or experiments you have heard about that discredit a facet of the theory, there are hundreds more that verify it as a whole.

      The theory of evolution is legitimate science.

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    • joe1234
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:22am

      “Modern biological science makes little sense outside of the context of evolution.”

      propoganda….actuall evolution is useless for science….

      In 1942, Nobel Laureate Ernst Chain wrote that his discovery of penicillin (with Howard Florey and Alexander Fleming) and the development of bacterial resistance to that antibiotic owed nothing to Darwin‘s and Alfred Russel Wallace’s evolutionary theories.
      The same can be said about a variety of other 20th-century findings: the discovery of the structure of the double helix; the characterization of the ribosome; the mapping of genomes; research on medications and drug reactions; improvements in food production and sanitation; new surgeries; and other developments.
      Additionally, I have queried biologists working in areas where one might have thought the Darwinian paradigm could guide research, such as the emergence of resistance to antibiotics and pesticides. Here, as elsewhere, I learned that evolutionary theory provides no guidance when it comes to choosing the experimental designs. Rather, after the breakthrough discoveries, it is brought in as a narrative gloss.
      http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/23/evolution-creation-debate-biology-opinions-contributors_darwin.html

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    • joe1234
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:24am

      “For every one of those studies you have seen or experiments you have heard about that discredit a facet of the theory, there are hundreds more that verify it as a whole.”

      this is such BS…nothing in the fossil record, nothing the lab, no junk dna, no vestigial organs…evolution is nothing more than a racist atheist fairy tale….

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  • lukerw
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:15pm

    If you do not like your Job or believe in the Product/Service… do something else!

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  • steveh931
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:13pm

    Richard Dawkins is the modern day Damian and nothing more.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:18pm

      What an idiotic thing to say. You are a moron to make that statement.

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  • Semper4everSemper
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:06pm

    THIS IS WHAT IT ALL COMES DOWN TO:

    The atheist’s “pray-err”

    Now I lay me down to sleep
    Of ‘God’ I don’t believe nor seek
    Just to think only I control my life
    Fills me with a sense of pride
    So when my time ‘awake’ is through
    I guess I won’t be seeing you
    In fact I won’t see anyone
    I’ll just not ‘be’ once life is done
    So I ask you just respect my wish
    That I be treated like the fish
    That swim so free way down below
    And soon to fertilizer go
    Because “I think, therefore I am”
    I’m sure I can do what your ‘god’ can
    I know you wish your God I’d see
    But I just can’t seem to get over ME
    With my other side of eternity
    Fast approaching though it be
    I do good and got great DNA
    So let me have my own way
    Then was heard from up in the sky
    “Mocking ME is no way to die”

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:10pm

      I wonder how many atheist believe in ghost or paranormal spirits.

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    • fidelcashflo44
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:13pm

      That’s cute, and I hope it makes you feel good about your own irrationality and disconnect with reality.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:17pm

      What utter nonsense! Being an independent thinker is far superior to being an obdient worm.

      Obedience to God – Into the Light Ministries

      http://www.intothelight.org/obedience.asp
      Obedience to God, the only path to blessings. What does obedience mean? DO AS YOU ARE TOLD! It’s that simple.

      Just like the Nazis. No thanks.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:20pm

      God does not exist. The Holy Ghost does not exist. There never was a Jesus, angels, demons, Satan, elves, fairies, or trolls. Bigfoot may well exist, but all the other nonsense is myth.

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    • Semper4everSemper
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:29pm

      Joel1234/Fidel you guys joined at the hip or just the keyBORED?

      YOU GUYS ARE JUST SO DAMN SMART – YOU KNOW FOR CERTAIN THERE IS NO GOD – makes ya kinda GODlike. Oh, that‘s right you can’t get over yourself. Bow down to Fidel/Joel!!

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:35pm

      That was great and I thank you for it.
      “Truly the poorest people are they who cannot understand what it means to offer onself to Christ.Let them therefore live their prosaic lives and walk on the black asphalt.Let them be guided by traffic lights.They have never been able to see Him who sends out the light and it goes forth,who makes the sun rise and bids the dawn to break, who lights up the universe.Let them listen to the sound waves in the air-they have never heard Him who calls out: “he who thirsts let him come to Me and drink”.From the book in search of true wisdom.And;” Hide you renowned of the earth-disappear you wise men of the world lest these babes whom God has chosen put you to shame!”

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:15pm

      semper4, your logic is not very logical. I don‘t believe in the Easter Bunny either but that doesn’t make me dress up in bunny ears and hide eggs at Easter every year (unless I’ve been drinking way too much.) LOLOL

      YEE HAA! Fish in a barrel! lololol

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  • NealT
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:05pm

    This is the SAME Richard Dawkins who refuses to debate Craig Lane at Oxford University this month. Perhaps they should put a rubber chicken in the Oxford debate seat that was reserved for Richard Dawkins. He is a lot of hot air but no substance.

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    • biohazard23
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:20pm

      I just can’t look at a picture of Dawkins with a straight face after seeing the “I’m a monkey” part of this episode of South Park. That’s also the same one where Cartman freaks out over having to wait for a Wii.

      http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s10e12-go-god-go

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:45pm

      Dawkins has won every debate he’s ever had on the subject. You want to see something really funny, just look at all the pictures on the internet that have lampooned Glenn Beck. There’s some real funny onme out there.

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    • joe1234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 8:43pm

      “Dawkins has won every debate he’s ever had on the subject. You want to see something really funny,”

      he’s been beaten so many times, and made to look like a fool (ok thats not hard) so many times he won’t debate christians anymore…or creationists…..

      like most atheists, he’s an intellectually shallow loser.

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    • A Conservatarian
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:12am

      As if a debate can be had about God/god/G-D/what ever your identification tool is? When people debate, what they usually debate are concepts, ethics, actions and definitions. Ok it’s not what is usually debated, it’s always debated. Come, take a walk with me, we’re not going to speak metaphorically or with simile so do keep that in mind. Freedom, will, evolution, equality, a tree, a dog, a man. All those concepts can be debated as to how they are defined, conceived of, acted upon and used grammatically. As regards grammar (and incidentally, philosophy) a statement made without a viable concept, is not a statement, it is an incomplete statement not worthy of any complete thought (or further debate until it is complete). As hard as this may be for many of you on either side of the argument, God carries no concept. There is no concrete example of the being of God. Do not point to a tree or the sunrise and say God, those are trees and a sunrise. Logic and the law of identity requires concrete verifiable information for its workings, as does science (and math, philosophy). All that can be debated about God is man’s historical thoughts on the, conceptless ‘word’ god/God/G-D/YHWH etc. What god is? is not a viable question. The flipside of that: God does not exist. Is also, not a viable statement. What exactly IS it, are you saying (atheists) that does not exist? Agnostics – you’re sitting on an imaginary fence with either side just as imaginary. Enjoy existence

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  • TxMadMac
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:57am

    Our Lord said “ if you deny Me I will deny you before My Father ” Good luck with that. His word does not come back void !

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    • fidelcashflo44
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:01pm

      That is an interesting bit of fairy tale speak, thank you for your contribution.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:02pm

      Typical blackmail that religion resorts to in order to get control over the minds of others. How ridiculous. Threats, punishments, torture….or you can bow and kiss my holy feet. It’s repulsive and primitive and it has no place in the modern world.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:05pm

      Blackmail is wrong and the bronze age people who came up with all that nonsense were wrong too.

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    • joe1234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 8:12pm

      “Blackmail is wrong and the bronze age people who came up with all that nonsense were wrong too.”

      but you atheists perfected slaughter genocide and bloodshed.

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  • Kaoscontrol
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:50am

    The number of former atheists who are now believers is a whooooole lot bigger than the number of clergy in Dickie Dawson’s little group.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:00pm

      No kaoscontrol. Your statement is false. Religion is all make believe. Scinec is proving that more every day. Check out the telescops in Chile that can see back in time to just a few million years before our universe began expanding for example. Pull your head out of the sand and use the internet to learn what many of us already know.

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    • BernieKittyCat
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:41pm

      Count me as one. Atheist prove the existance of God to me.

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    • catholiccowboy
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:45pm

      Hey joel234…
      You would rather put your faith in a teliscope? And you call us irrational.

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    • Kaoscontrol
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:58pm

      Joe1234 – Isn’t it fascinating how “Scinec” (Your word– I assume you just misspelled “Science”) discovers more and more of God’s majesty throughout the universe? Those telescopes in Chile only reveal the universe is vast… they can’t explain how it all got there. You need to ‘pull your head out of the internet’ to discover the God who created you and loves you.

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    • mrzmac
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:15pm

      joe1234…and your point being…God was before all time…a million years to man may be the click of a second on God’s timeline…what can science give us that God did not first give science…”And He is before all things, and in him all things consist” (Col. 1:17).

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:12pm

      Bottom line is, science is REAL. GOD is a concept, an idea, a bad and simple explanation for complex things. And now science (check out those telescopes in Chile – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-14205720 – that’s just one) is unraveling all sorts of mysteries. You can take your “burning bush” – I prefer the amazing things science is discovering thanks to gigantic advancements in computer processing, lenses etc. You cannot argue with reality! It‘s there because it’s really there. LOL

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    • joe1234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 7:57pm

      “amazing things science is discovering thanks to gigantic advancements in computer processing, lenses etc. You ”

      yeah all done by INTELLIGENT DESIGN…none of those things evolved….just as no life has ever evolved….it was all done by INTELLIGENT DESIGN….

      though in your case the design is defective, thats painfully obvious…LOL

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  • swimmer1940
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:50am

    Mr. Dawkins is trying to make atheism a religion? Is it or not?
    Nearly all of present day Christian practices and Holidays/Holy Days, are offshoots of “pagan” mythology ranging from the easter egg to the Christmas tree. Using their own myths, was how the Christian disciples managed to convince pagans to accept their teachings.
    It’s all just one big myth gathered from many myths.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:04pm

      Atheism is not a religion any more than not believing in Santa Claus is a religion.

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    • MrGeek
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:06pm

      Religion is a belief system, christian, muslim, hindu, jewish, wican, druid, etc. What I fail to see is any supporting evidence to the truth of any of them. Athiesm is also a belief system where the basic tenant is that there is no god. Thus, you could infer that Athiesm is a religion, of sorts.

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  • rfycom
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:49am

    We all have rights.

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    • MrGeek
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:11pm

      We all have toes (most of us anyway), so what is your point?

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  • capitalismrocks
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:44am

    So, essentially, they are setting up the Church of no God…. interesting, because as they do this, they will find that we will be able to come after them and the same way they come after Churches, watch this closely and ask your friends who are lawyers about the legal ramifications of them doing this and if there are way to exploit their actions to use against them…

    Rules AGAINST Radicals…

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    • fidelcashflo44
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:51am

      Actually, it’s not a church. See there is no worship of fictional characters citing excerpts from fictional books, which are mainstays of a church setting.

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    • Apologist
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 3:31pm

      More like a 12 step program for self-absorbed finite minds seeking understanding of the infinite.

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  • minnfinn
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:43am

    The stoggie old Christians like the founders of our faith and people like me just called such people “apostates”. Oh how very “progressive” of them.

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    • fidelcashflo44
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:05pm

      I suppose it’s easier to do that then to look within yourself and realize that there is no reason or need to believe in superstitious fairy tale fiction.

      If you‘d rather call people names because they aren’t irrational and illogical like yourself, more power to you.

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  • TRONINTHEMORNING
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:41am

    You atheists have all the fun you want with your collective foolishness; I will pray for you anyway cuz I know that‘s what I’m supposed to do. Some of you will find Christ; some won’t.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:47am

      Atheists don’t believe in religion. They refuse to believe unproveable things other people told them to believe. Sounds pretty smart to me.

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    • fidelcashflo44
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:47am

      Collective foolishness? You mean like reading excerpts from a 2000 year old book, written about a mythical christ/hero figure that mirrors hundreds of other christ/hero firgures? A book that’s earliest gospels were written a whole 4 decades after the life of that christ/hero figure?

      Here’s some collective foolishness: pretending like your christ/hero is any different from Mythra, Dionysus, Oddysseus, Ra, or any other mythical, FICTIONAL christ figure from other belief systems. Google “comparative mythology”. Your Jesus probably never existed.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:52am

      fidelcashflow is right. Time to wake up to reality kiddies. Thinking freely and embracing reality and reason is a good thing.

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    • Mandors
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:29pm

      There is a difference between atheism and bigotry both of you fall into the latter category.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:44pm

      Hey Joe,

      You refuse to believe in unprovable things.

      You believe that God does not exist, yet you can not prove it.

      You believe in an unprovable thing.

      Are you just confused, or a liar?

      Free thinkers……..Bless their hearts.

      Btw, are you an environmentalist?

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:14pm

      One day -inshala-we may all realize we’ve been caught in the nets of Christ.. One day the swift and the skillful Hunter will capture their hearts and will drag the athiests and those of other faiths behind His chariot and bring them into His kingdom.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:19pm

      Rose Ellen..Must say that in the Quran Huh?

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:25pm

      The rights of billy, nice word trick, but that’s all it is, a dumb word trick. God is not real. Period. I don‘t need proof that fairies don’t exist. I don’t need proof that Santa is fake. I know how people like to make up stories to explain things they lack the knowledge to accurately explain. Religion is hog wash. Every religion is bunch of man made stories used to try and control others and it shows. If you haven’t taken the time to see that truth for yourself, that’s your problem, not mine.

      THE TOP 30 THINGS THAT YOU WILL NEVER HEAR A SOUTHERN BOY SAY:

      30. When I retire, I‘m movin’ north.
      29. I’ll take Shakespeare for 1000, Alex.
      28. Duct tape won’t fix that.
      27. Come to think of it, I’ll have a Heineken

      26. We don’t keep firearms in this house.
      25. You can’t feed that to the dog.
      24. No kids in the back of the pickup, it’s just not safe.
      23. Wrestling is fake.

      22. We’re vegetarians.
      21. Do you think my gut is too big?
      20. I’ll have grapefruit and grapes instead of biscuits and gravy.
      19. Honey, we don’t need another dog.

      18. Who cares who won the Civil War?
      17. Give me the small bag of pork rinds.
      16. Too many deer heads detract from the decor.
      15. I just couldn’t find a thing at Wal-Mart today.

      14. Trim the fat off that steak.
      13. Cappuccino tastes better than espresso.
      12. The tires on that truck are too big.
      11. I’ve got it all on the C: DRIVE.

      10. Unsweetened tea tastes bettter

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 3:01pm

      Hey Joe,

      My, that was a brilliantly thought out reply…NOT.

      If you were trying to imply that I am from the south, you would be wrong.

      Happy hour is fast approaching Joe……….Enjoy your vinegar & water.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 3:03pm

      And by the way, you forgot to answer my question.

      Are you an environmentalist?

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 4:28pm

      Yo: Fidel:
      To say that Jesus never existed or probably as you put it shows you complete ignorance of the subject. Anybody who knows anything about this issue realizes that Jesus did exist. The debate is not that He existed;but was he who He said he was… God. There is MUCH evidence of his existence OUTSIDE of the bible, in fact for the time in History, it is enormous. You should do some homework, cause your about to fail class. You condem something you have no knowledge of and you call christians foolish!

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  • The_Almighty_Creestof
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:39am

    Ben Stein made a fool out of this clown in “Expelled”…the guy is a nut case who puts forth ideas akin to Darwins eugenics leanings and preposterous theories of how life began.

    I firmly believe most athiests are the way they are because they are incapable of following simple disciplines. Like a crack addict knowing he can’t stop, preferring to believe there is no God, rather than admit he is falling far short of the mark and cleaning up his act.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:50am

      No. Atheists simply believe in thinking for themselves and not believing unproveable things others tell them to believe. Dawkins is a brillaint thinker. If you are religious, you refuse to think. That‘s why it’s called “faith.” You believe because you were told to believe. “HAVE FAITH.”

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    • fidelcashflo44
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:53am

      Wait, so atheists are comparable to crack addicts? I’m sorry, are we the ones living in a fantasy world? Are we the ones speaking in tongues and rolling around on the ground, jumping and shaking and going into fake epilleptic fits? This is insanity. How can you, in your mind, equate logical, rational, thinking people to “crack addicts” while you believe in a completely nonsensical and supernatural mythical fiction? That is ridiculous and you are probably not an intelligent person.

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    • marvlus
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:12pm

      Hey Joe and Fidel, why does it bother you so much that people have faith in God?

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    • marvlus
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:17pm

      Hey Joe and Fidel, Check this out. Don’t know what it contains as, but thought you might be interested. http://www.near-death.com/atheists.html

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:23pm

      Because you delusional types try to force it on the rest of us via nasty comments, wars, policy, etc. We have had enough of your delusional and damaging nonsense. You religious nutters have done enough damage in this world. Time for you all to stop the charade and face reality. Grow up. You have never seen god because god is not real. How hard is that to figure out?

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    • The_Almighty_Creestof
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:23pm

      Both of you are laughable…if either of you were true athiests, you would just sit back and laugh at those of us who believe. Instead you argue and foam at the mouth as if we were on different sides of a belief…because your side is one of NO belief. Do you get your panties in a wad over someone believing in the Easter Bunny? Santa? No…you just chuckle to yourself and move on. But with God, you get hot under the collar and stress your “O” rings…why?

      It does not harm you in the least if we choose to believe. And no, bringing up the crusades or fights in other countries over christianity are not valid arguements. People inviting you to church or knocking on your door are not valid arguements either…no more harm there than being invited to the Rotary club or having the girl scouts knock on your door.

      You “athiests” invariably argue that there is an instinctual part of humans that keep us from acting like animals when there is no belief. I’d argue that the threat of police and jail is a laughable fear when you can do whatever you want in life if you truly believe there is no hereafter and no God judging your right to enter. You all say no, man is a social animal and will not go on a reign of terror or suicide because we have a conscious…but that has nothing to do with God. We are animals…but not animals.

      Bottom line? You claim to be athiests just so you have something to talk about. You are nobody’s at a gathering…until you work athiesm into the conve

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:29pm

      Near death stories are not the real deal. For instance, some emergency rooms have messages on the tops of machines that are well above eye level and people who have claimed to have died and “floated out of their bodies” have never “come back to life” and reported seeing those messages, even though they claimed to have been floating above their bodies and above the machiones in the room. There is no such thing as god, allah, jesus, etc. It’s all manufactured by the imaginations of primitive people. Too bad you cannot grasp that simple fact. It’s sad.

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    • marvlus
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:34pm

      I am sorry to hear that you are sad Joe. Must have something to do with who you are.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:34pm

      The almighty crustof, lololol. You make me chuckle with your silly invective. Really. Hahahaha! What a hoot. Everything you spewed is absurdly hysterical. In fact, the Koran, the Bible, the Vatican (a country club for pedophiles) all of it is a big joke. Mormonism? LOLOLOL!!!! Golden Plates that happened to get lost??!! HAHAHHAHAHHA!!! PLEASE, MY RIBS!!!! lololol

      How about that? lolol

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    • Faithful Fisherman
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:36pm

      Joe1234, etc, Who gave you the ability to “reason”, “think critically”? It sure wasn’t “evolution”, based on that, we would all be experiencing a high level of existence. Not so much. You might want to open your mind and educate yourself to recent discoveries in science that show the intricate hand of the Creator God. Just look at the cell, everything needed to operate, but every part needed to be in place at the same time to accomplish that. i.e. “irreducible complexity”. The Bible is the most manuscript supported book every written, 66 books, over 40 authors, covering 2000 years and the same “message” throughout. Jesus does not force anyone to believe in Him, that is your decision, but it will be your unrepentant sin that will keep you from enjoying God’s great blessings.

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    • The_Almighty_Creestof
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:41pm

      I was never told to believe. I believe because I have walked thru forests, hiked thru mountains and have seen/felt the beauty that cannot possible due to some random event which defies any odds of happening. I have held newborns that speak of miracles thru their fresh eyes, I have been in life and death struggles which I have survived through strength that was not my own. I have seen courage in average people in instances that most would shrink from…brought about by their faith. I have seen acts of kindness that are beyond imagination…which anyone with a brain can see were inspired.

      I have seen and felt the effects only a higher power above and beyond us can bestow on us.

      And you can deflect my comparison to crack addicts with your childish idiocy all you want…but the truth is that it is accurate…you don’t WANT to live your lives within spiritual guidelines. You don’t WANT to measure up in the end. You don’t WANT to be told “no, you can’t do this or that”…so therefore, the being which made the rules does not exist. You don’t WANT boundaries.

      You would rather believe in some chemical serendipity that is against any/all odds, rather than even entertain the idea of a creator.

      I could not (and never will) care less if you ever believe…that is on your soul. But for the sake of arguement, ask yourself this: “What are the repercussions of your turning out to be wrong?” and what are mine?

      Next, look around at all the good that stems from church’s

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    • The_Almighty_Creestof
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:57pm

      Athiests will never end up believers, because they just cannot fathom two central parts of a belief in God:

      “Where were you when I created the heavens and the Earth?”

      &

      Free Will. The greatest and worst gift God ever gave us.

      We have no right or ability to question the being who created us, and, before you bring up the comparison of parents and their kids…it is far from the same thing.

      You will not see God and you will not have him tap you on the shoulder and say “I am real”…you will not see evidence in a lab to his existance. He gave us laws, a soul and a conscience…then turned us loose upon each other. Our free will gives us the choice to follow these laws and believe him…or not. Like a cue ball bouncing around a table or a drop of rain creating ripples in a pond…we interact. Sometimes horribly with each other.

      But I find this a great gift, as the other alternative would be for us to be controlled and forced like robots to believe and follow laws to the letter. Would you rather your child hug you when you get home out of love and on his own feelings? Or because you told him to with threats of a beating if he did not?

      If I were God and offering an eternity in heaven, I would find it more worthy for someone to come to me out of their belief and faith and own desire…rather than because I told them they had to.

      I’m sure this will just bring out more of your childish sarcastic remarks. Athiests can only spout the talking points they’ve l

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:36pm

      Faithfulfisherm,an, nobody has to be given anything. That concept is the simplistic drivel of bronze age people who are looong dead. If you need to believe you are here because some unseen supernatural spirit spent time creating you, you go ahead and believe that nonsense. I know better. Whenever you believers in the supernatural start trying to use logic and reason to support the illogical and the unreasonable, you fail.

      I’m going bow hunting now. Play nicely among yourselves and remember: Glenn Beck is FOS. lolol

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    • joe1234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 7:48pm

      “Joe1234, etc, Who gave you the ability to “reason”, “think critically”? It sure wasn’t “evolution”, based on that”

      wrong joe….first off, my loser clone doesn’t have the ability to reason or think critically…that should be painfully obvious to anyone.

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  • tobywil2
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:38am

    The whole world is going crazy!!!!!!! http://commonsense21c.com/

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:35am

    .
    The Devil at work……………

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:57am

      The devil does not exist. The supernatural is all a big lie. It is not real. Wake up at long last and face reality.

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    • joe1234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 7:46pm

      “The devil does not exist”

      you prove his existence..you’re his tool…his pawn….wish I could see the look on your face when *it* feeds on your soul…..

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  • lildeb56
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:35am

    Isn‘t that what’s called an oxymoron?

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:34am

    I will say this much, the look on their faces when the Lord returns and all acknowledge him as the Lord indeed, will be true ones of horror and despair in understanding all they have willingly lost.

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    • SimpleTruths
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:43am

      I wonder what the look on you face will be when the “Lord” never shows up – not in your lifetime, not in anyone’s lifetime. It’s a myth, a nice myth but still a myth,

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:54am

      Snowleopard, it will never happen in your life time. That is a guranatee. In fact, it will never happen. It is a myth that you were made to believe by others who were made to believe it by others who were made to believe it by others who were………

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:55am

      make that “GUARANTEE”

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    • fidelcashflo44
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:56am

      Oh yeah you yearn for that day don’t you. You want to see me burnt and humiliated and tortured because that’s what keeps you going. You sleep well at night thinking about my body being ripped apart by demons while you All-Good, All-benevolent God sits there and lets it happen. You want to be on the winning team, the holy team.

      Your blood lust is disgusting and you should be ashamed of what a terrible human being you are.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:15pm

      Snowleopard draws childish pictures in crayon and believes everything Glenn Beck says is true. That should give you some idea of why he is a believer in religion and the supernatural. Child-like people always do as they are told. OBEDIENCE!

      Obedience to God – Into the Light Ministries

      “www.intothelight.org/obedience.asp

      Obedience to God, the only path to blessings. What does obedience mean? DO AS YOU ARE TOLD! It’s that simple.”

      No thank you. I have a mind of my own and I will use it to discern truth from falsehoods as is my right.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:10pm

      JOE1234 You are correct in saying that there is no Allah. That was cleverly designed by Satan. Although I have many wonderful Catholic friends, I would never engage in their church activities because I follow God and Jesus and they say to stay away from idolatry. As far as the Bible goes..it took 1600 years to write under the direction of the Holy Spirit. These people who are clergy and have turned their backs on God..it is written that for those who have known the truth and turn away…there is no sacrifice left for them, as they have trampled on the head of Jesus, who is the only begotten Son of God and who was crucified so that we might have eternal life by choosing Him and he rose the third day. His ways are love. Haven’t you ever wondered how it is that we are here?. He says that there are those created for mercy and those created for destruction..those created for destruction to show just how merciful He is to those He gives mercy. How can the clay say to the potter..how have you made me thus so? You can only believe and know through faith. For you must have faith as a little child. Just think Joe..you claim to know now that there is no God. God gives us all free will. In the day that you depart from this earth…you will know. One day. every one above, upon and below the earth will bow and call Him Lord. You should attempt to read the New Testament in the NKJ and ask for God’s guidance. Ask Him and have faith that He will show you. It is divine and you will know .

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:45pm

      @Joe/Simple/and all others out there:

      You are free to chose to believe as you wish to believe or not to believe; my choice is made, and is based on evidence of a greater power and being called God, there will be a day when an accounting will be called for, and all shall be known to everyone…be ready or not as you chose.

      Figure on the eternal meaning of what it means though, it will be unto eternal life or eternal death, for as the bible records in Rev 20 “Blessed is he who partakes of the first ressurection, for unto them the second death shall have no hold…”

      Peace be unto you, for your answers are already recorded in heaven; may God have mercy upon you who chose not to follow him, and may you have a change of heart and life before the time comes to a close.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 4:37pm

      Yo Joe I234:
      What you say is actually the opposite. I have more freedom in Christ as a believer. I know this cause I like many others have lived on both sides of the fence.

      “The heart is deceitfull above all ”….. trusting in yourself is not is not going to be a good hunting trip.

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    • joei234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 4:57pm

      Ashestoast, none of what you’re saying carries any weight with me. Suppose I tell you that a hidden tribe of people in the Amazon have a strange device that they use to communicate with beings in another solar system who left it here 8000 years ago and they were what created all the religions on the entire planet? Now suppose I tell you that you and everyone else will have to accept them as your benevolent masters when they return in 2012 and prove without any doubt that all earthly religions are simply confusion of their original message and instructions and are all false? Well, now my narrative trumps yours so you have to listen to all my instructions or you’re gonna be used for alien pet food. It’s just as far fetched as the nonsense those bronze aged people came up with. You can keep your superstitions. I’ll stick with science.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 6:02pm

      @JOE1234 Gee..I went from nothing to something good to eat. Thank you. Why are you mad at God Joe? You might want to think about that on your hunting trip. You know that He exists. We were all born of the flesh and had the same inclinations as you. You choose to live for yourself and so you will have your reward here. Many are called but few are chosen.. I am sorry. Have a nice hunting trip Joe.

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    • joe1234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 7:43pm

      “. It is a myth that you were made to believe by others who were made to believe it by others who were made to believe it by others ”

      you know whats a myth my evil clone-troll wanna be….the racist theory of evolution…..no evidence in the fossil record, nor the lab…but the theory is racist as hell…thats why fascist liberals like you love it so.

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    • joe1234
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 7:44pm

      “AS YOU ARE TOLD! It’s that simple.””

      yeah you do as you’re told..you follow the masses unable to think for yourself…you brain-dead liberal loser.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 10:32pm

      JOE1234 For your information Joe…I am a conservative… I love animals… I have a heart and I respect all God given life. I don’t condemn my friends who are hunters, but I would never have the heart to shoot a defenseless animal, but I would fight for the right for my people to bare arms for defense. Liberalism is not in my blood… I choose not to be liberally educated. You can bash me all that you want. It occurred to me today that maybe you have done something so terrible that you can’t let yourself believe in God. But Joe.. God forgives… all you have to do is ask Him, repent and turn away from it. I forgive you Joe. I am sorry that you have that kind of animosity in your heart for me and you don’t even know me. May God Bless you Joe and may His mercy and loving kindness be upon you.

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    • Bad_Ashe
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 10:45pm

      @JOEI234 – So….trolling and a flawed argument from incredulity…is that really all you’ve got? Really? Allow me to take a page from your book and respond with LOLOLOL!

      Despite your assertion that we will be obsessing about you and your demonstrably false statements while you are out enjoying your life of nihilism, the truth is quite the opposite. You epitomize the social autism of the capital-A atheist with your constant need to belittle the other 90% of the population for their religious beliefs. LIke Dawkins you build a strawmen to replace that which you don’t understand, because knocking them down makes you feel superior. It’s okay, we get it…it’s not your fault, it’s your compulsion.

      Enjoy your hunting trip…or…whatever. If you do return to this thread, I have three very simple questions for you:

      What do you consider to be valid evidence?

      How do you know what is true or untrue?

      Do you understand why your Amazonian alien parody narrative is a complete failure?

      For someone who favors truth, logic, and freethinking, these should be NO problem for you. That is unless you’re just a inept troll.

      Cheers!

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  • bullcrapbuster
    Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:34am

    The wolves eat the weakest

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on October 17, 2011 at 4:40pm

      The shepard protects His flock….

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    • Lotus4115
      Posted on October 24, 2011 at 7:18am

      4truth2all The shepard protects His flock….
      Until they need some meat. Then they cut the throat and drink the blood. They protect the flock for themelves for food. Stupid nut job.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02X_TeRZgmg&feature=channel_video_title

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on October 25, 2011 at 12:09am

      Yo LO
      commenting on things you don’t understand makes you seen stupid.
      Watched your post.. most does not apply to the bible
      and yes I stick to the truth of the bible… I do my homework…
      and if in your mind I am a stupid nut job….who cares what you think..
      I don’t

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