Romney & Gingrich Both Expect Romney to Win Nevada Vote
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Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, greeting supporters at a campaign rally in Henderson, Nev., Friday, Feb. 3, 2012, is expected to win the state's caucuses Saturday. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)
LAS VEGAS (AP) — A confident Mitt Romney is looking past his GOP opponents and Nevada’s caucuses the day the state votes. Chief rival Newt Gingrich is bracing for defeat in a state the former Massachusetts governor won in 2008.
Romney was scheduled to fly to Colorado Saturday morning for a campaign rally before returning to Las Vegas for a party with supporters at a casino a few miles from the Las Vegas Strip. In a sign that he expects to lose, Gingrich planned a simple statement instead of an event.
Romney cruised to victory in Florida last Tuesday, handily won this state four years ago and is heavily favored to win Saturday’s contest. Gingrich, Texas Rep. Ron Paul and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum also are on the ballot. But Romney, a Mormon, has an existing network of support from his 2008 race and likely will again benefit from the support of members of his church, many of whom live in Nevada.
Gingrich is still struggling after losing to Romney in Florida. He’s facing a month of contests that favor Romney and only one scheduled debate, opportunities that have helped him in the past.
Gingrich acknowledged Romney’s likely victory and cast the vote in Nevada as a fight for second place.
“I think our hope is that we may be able to come in second, although Ron Paul is very organized,” the former House speaker told Fox News in an interview Friday. “We‘re going all out to see if we can’t be a good solid second here, and then we’re on to Colorado and Minnesota.”
Romney ignored his chief rival, instead projecting himself as the likely Republican nominee.
“I‘m convinced that I can beat Barack Obama and I don’t think anyone else can,” he told volunteers making phone calls for him Friday.
He accused the president of failing to do enough to create jobs as he campaigned in a state with sky-high unemployment and foreclosure rates. Nevada’s unemployment rate was 12.6 in December – well above the national average – after a record economic bust.
As he swept through Reno, Elko and Las Vegas, Romney sought to convince weary voters that he alone had the prescriptions for what ails the country – even as the government reported that a quarter-million Americans streamed back into the workforce in January and unemployment tumbled to 8.3 percent. Romney acknowledged the brightening economic picture but argued that it had little to do with Obama or his policies.
“The policies of this administration have not been helpful. They, in fact, have been harmful. They have slowed down the recovery, made it more difficult,” Romney said at a home and yard supply company in Reno, where he talked about the economy with local business leaders. “The president deserves the blame that he’ll receive in this campaign.”
Gingrich, in an interview on CNN, said the Democrat’s policies have driven up the national debt and raised the price of gasoline.
“The economy even at 8.3 percent is dramatically weaker than it was under Ronald Reagan at this exact same point in his first term,” he said.
But as Gingrich looks to recover from a shellacking in Florida, he chose to spend much of his time hammering home his latest argument against a Romney presidency – that there is virtually no difference between Romney and Obama.
For the second day in a row, Gingrich castigated Romney for saying that he’s not focused on the poor because they already have a safety net. Romney has said he misspoke, but Gingrich sought to use the moment to gain the upper hand, saying it’s another instance where Romney and Obama are similar.
“Obama is big food stamp. He’s little food stamp. But they both think foods stamps are OK,” Gingrich said. “I don’t think food stamps are the future for America.”
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FreedomPurveyor
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:17pmIt sure would be nice if Ron Paul took second.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:25pmRon Paul’s kooky cult following ruined any chances he might have had. People were sick of them before the campaigns even started.
Report Post »whereareyourbrains
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:03pmMitt would win if he spit on someone in this state….Mormons love him no matter what….can’t even count this as a contimued win…Lets see he lost in Iowa then won in a state where he owns a home and then he lost to S. C. by double diget… He made sure Newt lost in Iowa with swift boat type ads.
Report Post »He got schooled and bammed on Newt in Florida and spent 17 million bucks to get voted it by double digits. He now is is a state that is full of Mormons…if anyone say people like him for our front runner they are not putting the facts together. I hope write in are allowed in Mich……..I would write in Newt.
Do you hear the man…do you really listen to what he has to say about Iran……….use your nogging. Quit voting for a pretty face……….OH yeah and he is too too rich…Obama will eat him up…….
FreedomPurveyor
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:14pmWell lets see, Newt came in 4th place, behind Romney by double digits in Iowa. Newt came in 5th place in Newt Hampshire, behind Romney by 30 points. He won in the state next to his home state, but had been behind by double digits in the polls before his Jon King moment. He then turned around and lost by double digits in Florida, the most important state in the general election.
Now it looks like he is about to lose big in Nevada, where Catholics outnumber Mormons 3 to 1. Who is the front runner?
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:01pmThe main problem with Romney is that he thinks 0bama has tried and failed. He even said so. Anybody who thinks 0bama has failed is not up to the job of fixing what has happened to this country over the past three years.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:31pmYour post shows exactly what is wrong with the right/conservative/tea party movement. You think this problem arose 3 years ago.
We need a real change. I dont want to change one bad president for another.
Clinton, Bush, Obama, Mcain, Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum are all the same guy with a few minor differences.
The are all…
Pro war
Pro spending
Pro social engineering
Pro stomping on our Constitution
Pro government intrusion into all aspects of our lives
I dont think I want anymore of that, Ron Paul 2012. I am writing his name in if I have to.
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:58pm@Mutiny
You are soooo right.
If the Rino’s think they can offer us the choice between Mao and Mussolini, they are in for a rude awakening.
The only moral choice when given such a choice is…NONE OF THE ABOVE.
Ron Paul 2012…or bust.
Report Post »ChildOfTheKing
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:10pmThe problem is OBAMA HAS NOT TRIED ANYTHING – on his own. OTHERS, such as Soros, have told him what to do. OBAMA IS A MARXIST SOCIALIST THRU AND THRU. He is no Christian as he claims. The scripture he talked about the other WAS SO OUT OF CONTEXT that I almost threw up, LITERALLY. Obama has such an evil mind and he does not know it. It was all in the way he was raised and taught. HE ACTUALLY THINKS THAT HIS SOCIALISM IS WHAT AMERICA WANTS AND SHOULD BE. The problem I see is that our Constitution SHOULD BE GREAT THAN OBAMA. So, whenever Obama or anyone else talks about it being outdated or changed, THEY SHOULD BE IMPEACHED for a form of treason. Afterall, when a politician swears to uphold our Constitution and then MOCKS IT by changing or altering from it in everyday policies, HE SHOULD BE OUSTED FROM OFFICE IMMEDIATELY.
Our Forefathers are crying in Heaven for what is happening on earth. GOD is ashamed of everyone of us for not standing up to Obama and his evil minions. Voting/supporting for a PROGRESSIVE, whether it be Romney, Newt, or Obama (all ARE Progressives), IS TURNING YOUR BACK ON BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES. Call it what you want, but Biblical values is WHAT THE CONSTITUTION IS ACTUALLY BASED ON. To do anything else is just plain SINFUL and ANTI-GODLY.
MAN IS DUMBER THAN A BOX OF ROCKS because he still thinks he is a god.
Report Post »SHAME ON ALL OF YOU.
marion
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 8:06pmMUTINY, if Ron Paul did not legalize illicit drugs and had a foreign policy that wasn’t isolationism, I would not have a problem voting for him. Isolationism is the downfall of the planet, not just the country. I wish this wasn’t true, but it is.
We have been graced by the fact we haven’t had any real fighting on USA soil in almost a century, last thing I want to do is have to do such a thing, or at best, watch the news to see whether or not there have been more terrorist acts on our soil. You think that wouldn’t happen? Between the Communists, Progressives, Taliban and other Muslim radicals, the USA is the only thing standing in the way of a One World Order. Since the end of WWII, infiltration has been the only means of attacking us, with a few exceptions, so what do you think life would be if we pulled out of the rest of the world? His policy is equivalent to a person doing a report by watching a movie, but standing at the door outside a movie theater which won’t do any good, especially if the movie is a silent movie.The world is too complex a place to remain a bystander. Christ, we have hard enough time knowing and reporting atrocities, and you want to be an isolationist?
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:55pm@marion
He doesnt legalize drugs. He returns the power back to the states to decide on that issue. How has the “war on drugs” gone in your opinion?
We are broke. Currently we are borrowing money from China to build roads and hospitals in Afghanistan. We have 900 bases in 130 countries. Why? We are the only super power in the world. We have a navy that is stronger than all the navies in the world combined. We have unmatched air power. We can sit with our carriers off any ones coast and provide the same protection we do now minus building other nations and having IEDs blow up our troops.
Look Ron Paul will go to congress for a war declaration if the United State or our interests are threatened. With the war declaration we will have a goal. After the goal is achieved we will come home. No more rebuilding nations.
Report Post »psadie
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:27pmI think some of you people need to refine the word “Progressive.” Progressive is a person advocating progress or reform. When I was in the business world, I always wanted us to move forward and progress in our niche so we could expand our business thus becoming bigger and better and hire more people. I wanted us to be on top of our game while working as a team. I am a conservative in my views; that does not make me a Progressive because I want to change my business for the better. LOOK at the candidates records and what they have done while serving in government. Is it REAL PROGRESS that helped the nation or was it a liberal agenda? Talk is great but ACTIONS define a person and their beliefs. Let that guide your heart.
Report Post »RANGER1965
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:59pmA progressive defined “POLITICALLY” is not someone that just hopes his country progresses forward. Nor is a conservative necessarily someone praying for the return of “dem good ole days.”
The political progressive today is quite literally an agent of entropy. They believe that in order to have “progress” the entire system, political, financial, justice, social, and the military must be pulled down and destroyed. From the ashes of this dark, and unfair nation will rise a society of purity, fairness, and happiness. Of course it will be hard to achieve this at first, and many freedoms will have to be sacrificed. Like they say, “You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.” And… we are talking heaven on earth here! That’s gotta be worth breaking alot of eggs.
Most of todays conservatives believe that man is much too flawed to create heaven on earth. So the best that can be managed is a society with as much freedom as you can pour into it without it being anarchy. In this way…good or bad; people can pursue their own best interests and happiness free from goverment control, or interference. Most of us believe the founders of the United States did an OUTSTANDING! job and hold the constitution of the United States as nothing less than a masterpiece of human freedom.
These two philosophies are diametrically opposed, and one day, despite Mr. Beck’s wishes, they will clash violently. It will be a war to the knife, and the prize is the destiny of Ameri
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:01pm@psadie
Perhaps you are unaware of the fact that the term “progressive” is used to define a political position?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism
Today, most progressive politicians in the United States associate with the Democratic Party or the Green Party of the United States. In the US Congress there exists the Congressional Progressive Caucus, which is often in opposition to the more conservative Democrats, who form the Blue Dogs caucus. Some of the more notable progressive members of Congress have included Ted Kennedy, Russ Feingold,[7] Dennis Kucinich, Barney Frank, Bernie Sanders, Al Franken, John Conyers, John Lewis, and Paul Wellstone
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Don’t be fooled by wolves in sheeps clothing.
Some politicians will say ANYTHING to hoodwink you, so look at what they have said and done in the past rather than what they tell you today.
Romney and Gingrich ARE progressive in the classical sense…no matter what they claim to be today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzidpJyayKQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH_h4hrrYjA&feature=related
Report Post »ChildOfTheKing
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:17pmI agree with Ranger – politically, you are all wet behind the ears. Progressive IS A FORM OF EVIL, because most of its policies are ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL…….EVIL, EVIL, EVIL.
God is NOT a PROGRESSIVE, nor is He a Conservative, nor is he a Democrat. HE IS GOD and He expect us to follow the 10 commandments. I happen to believe that our Constitution was written, based on Biblical laws (and God-inspired) and therefore, when you try to change or deflect from it you are going against God in some way. HE WILL NOT BE HAPPY and aren’t we all (mankind) supposed to make GOD HAPPY? Or, do you think GOD IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE YOU HAPPY? If so, you got it dead wrong. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SERVING GOD – NOT OURSELVES.
As far as I can see, not one of these candidates are worthy of the Constitution, except Michelle Bachmann. SHE IS WORTHY, but sad to say, not running.
If you’re waiting on God to do something, you will be waiting a very long time because is ashamed of what America has done to our Constitution and to HIS WORD (mocked it, trampled on it, gone its own way).
How do we get God to do something for America? FALL ON YOUR KNEES AND ASK HIS FORGIVENESS. That is it in a nutshell. NOTHING ELSE WILL WORK – NOTHING!
Report Post »RANGER1965
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:23pmExcept for a few mistakes MItt and Santorum are playing by the: “HOW TO WIN A NATIONAL ELECTION 101” Newt is trying some new things, but I don‘t know if it’s going to work our for him. Ron is playing the: “You go ahead and worry about popularity, while I quietly win the hearts and minds of the delegates.”
If Mitt does win the primary he is likely to go right by the playbook. The day after the convention, Mitt will subtlely, but certainly move to the left. All in the hope of capturing independents, and conservative minded democrats. Why? Because that’s what the playbook says to do.
The theme for conservatives will be…”Don’t worry, don’t worry…Mitt has to do this to win. When he wins he will go back to the right. So be calm people. You have to do this to win National Elections.”
Except this isn’t a normal year, and the Tea Party may not be as visible as it was before, but it’s a simmering hot pot made up of a whole lot of pissed off and betrayed people. Real people. That work hard and want their country back.
If Mitt swings hard left after the primary to capture the “independents, and a few conservative democrats then he will lose his whole base. The Tea Party people just won’t take it. They will not be mollified by some eloquent words from GOP elites. And if he loses the Tea Party, well…he loses. Just like McCain.
Report Post »The president might be evil incarnate to conservatives, but he has plenty of charisma, and knows how to inspire his ow
FreedomPurveyor
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:26pmNo matter who the nominee is, there is going to be a large group of people who will not be happy about voting for them. Whoever it is, they will win because so many people want to vote against Obama, not because so many want to vote for them.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:45pm@ freedom
I disagree with the idea that anyone will beat Obama. Obama’s supports will rally behind him and he is going to spend a billion dollars on this campaign. We are a headline/political ad nation. Perfect example is Florida. Mitt spends millions there and wins big, why? Because no one does research on the candidates. This is why especially if Mitt is the candidate Obama wins in a land slide. He has been on the same side of most issues people have with Obama. The DNC ads will just show Mitt in his own words.
Since Newt and Rick arent even on states ballots with over 500 delegates I dont see them holding on much longer. I mean why would anyone send them money, knowing they cannot win.
Ron Paul is the only candidate that has clear difference from Obama.
Ron Paul 2012. He is getting my vote even if I have to write his name in.
Report Post »ChildOfTheKing
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:26pmFreedomPurveyor:
It saddens me but I must agree with you. Conservatives have no choice because we have gone so far out of bounds by accepting progressive policies (abortion, etc) that conservatives will SETTLE for anyone but Obama, WHICH WILL MEAN that we will be inching back to conservative principles because these current candidates are ALL PROGRESSIVES. They just disagree on some policies – they are still Progressives.
I ask God everyday, to pour His spirit upon American hearts who WANT to hear His voice; upon those who do WANT CHANGE back to Biblical values and morals. I WAS DOING THIS LONG BEFORE BECK CAME ON THE SCENE. When Glenn Beck finally came into his own, with the help of God (I believe God’s Spirit is upon Him, as the Holy Spirit has told me so), I knew God was giving us ONE LAST CHANCE TO TURN TOWARDS HIM TO SAVE AMERICA.
But, sad to say, Satan is hammering away harder than ever before. Darkness covers America heavily and evil is rampant, except for the few Godly people who pray daily and worship Him.
Americans: WE ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE SPIRITUALLY, AS A NATION.
Please fall on your knees and ask God for His mercy. Only then will America turn around.
Report Post »Don’t any of you see that?
drobarts
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:16pmSweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Checkout the two secret services guys flanking him! I say again, SWEET!!!!!!
Report Post »Sorry Newt, just is not your time…..ever!
LTinUT
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:16pmI think his Secret Service codename should be “Gold Medal” and “Goldilocks” for Ann. I haven’t heard yet what it actually is.
Report Post »Tagudinian
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:54pmNevada is Mitt’s stronghold. He wins Nevada – fine. I bet Obama is salivating at the prospect of running against an “Obama-lite Mitt Romney”. Just ask George Soros. Obama of course will cast Mitt Romney as a wealthy Wall Street businessman who couldn’t care less about the poor. Obama will pour his lies over Mitt Romney like tar and molasses. After Obama is done with Mitt, we won’t even recognize the Mormon man.
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:59pm:: just ask george soros :: … No thanks … George Soros speaks with forked tongue.
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:16pm@TheObamanation
Would you believe Romney if he came right out and admitted he’s a PROGRESSIVE?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzidpJyayKQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvx7qLtrPkk
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:35pmMitt Romney will slaughter Obama in debating.. Obama has failed at everything he has done, out spent All Presidents from Washington to Clinton.. he has not created any jobs.. if anything this President has spent more time golfing, partying and vacationing than actually working. While American’s are suffering just to get by from payday to payday he is having lavish parties with Hollywood and the jetset. We now see Hollywood as the liberal left, progressive, socialist and Marxist group and frankly I don’t give a damn about Hollywood anymore. They have proved to the American people what they really are. Just like the Obama’s.
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:10pm@abbygirl1994
Romney would get clobbered by Obama in a debate, as all Obama has to do is to show where he and Romney have similar positions on almost everything.
Bailouts…check.
Wars…check.
Romneycare…check.
Welfare state…check.
Same people funding them…check.
Both Progressives…check.
Federal Reserve…check.
Gun control…check.
Police State…check.
What you and so many others fail to comprehend is the fact that the powers that be can’t lose…as long as the choice is the same either way.
You are being offered two sides of the same coin.
WAKE UP.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:49pm@theobama
Well not listening to our enemies is not smart at all. Osama Bin Laden was on CBS in 1998 and told us he was declaring war on us. We didnt listen and got 3000 citizens killed, Then we followed it up with exactly what he wanted which was to bleed us dry. Our debt has gone up 10 trillion since 911. Looks like its working.
Ron Paul 2012. I am writing his name in if I have to.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:59pm@abby
How will Mitt even debate Obama?
Both are on agreement on
Obama/Romney care. There is video of Mitt saying it needs to be nationwide.
Pro choice. There is video of Mitt saying he will protect a woman’s right to choose.
Anti gun. There is video of Mitt saying he is for gun control laws and think they keep people safe.
Pro war. There is video of Mitt saying he will continue and expand our militarism.
No real spending cuts. Post on his campaign site, his cuts are only cuts on future increases.
Higher taxes. His record shows he has no issue raising taxes.
More freedoms taken away. In one of the last debates he said he supports NDAA. He has always been for the Patriot Act.
Please tell me what he can even debate Obama on. Maybe Romney has his eye on Biden’s vp slot. That seems like a better fit for him.
Report Post »psadie
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 5:07pm@ABBYGIRL1994
Report Post »Yeah, Mitt will slaughter Obama in a debate. I guess that is why he just fired his debate coach. Someone is REALLY TERRIFIED.
Mutiny
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 5:20pm@joey
continued.
3. I think light and dark on opposite ends of the spectrum. To compare this is wrong. One saves Christians. The other tricks and lies. Remember that Satan also used the promise of becoming a god in the garden of Eden. What other religion thinks they can become gods? Oh yeah Mormons.
As far you bring up the BOM and adding scripture, well I dont pay much mind to the BOM. It has been proven false to many times to even bother with. Not to mention the Bible even says not to accept any gospel even one from a angel. I believe the BOM is a tool of Satan to trick Christians into believing they can become gods.
1. Joseph Smith failed the prophet test of the Bible. Strike one.
2. Bible says not to accept a new gospel even from a angel. Strike two.
3. You can become a god just like Satan told Eve should become after eating the apple. Strike three.
4. I dont think the rituals of the Old Testament ever included the motion of “cutting your throat” in promise. Nor do I believe there is a bunch of masonic handshakes. These are tools of Satan. You will deny them or make excuses but facts are facts.
If you believe you can become a god. You do not believe in the Jesus Christ or God of the Bible.
If you believe God was once a man on another planet, thus meaning someone created him. You do not believe in the Jesus Christ and God of the Bible.
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:40pmMormonism is technically a cult. It places good works equal to or above that of the FINISHED work of Christ on the cross.
That being said, Mormons are leaving the cult in droves, which is a good thing.
Also, I have no problem voting for a Mormon, as long as he can beat Hussein Obama.
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:51pmSo…you are willing to vote for someone who is pro gun control, pro bailouts, pro police state, pro Federal Reserve, and who admits he’s a PROGRESSIVE eh?
Why don’t you simply vote for Obama, given what you are willing to back?
Report Post »PGMike
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:02pm@Goodstuff,
You have no idea what you are talking about.
1. Mormons do not believe that “good works equal to or above that of the FINISHED work of Christ on the cross.” That is an absolute falsehood. We beleive that through the Grace of God we are saved, after all we can do. Without the atoning blood of Christ all are fallen and are lost.
2. Mormons are not “leaving in droves” either. Like any religion, some choose to join and some choose to leave. Mormonism is the most rapidly growing religion (net, net) in the country.
If you are going to post about Mormonism please do some real research instead of repeating anti mormon rants. When you don’t, you look foolish and bigoted.
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:03pmEvery other religion in the world is different than mine. If they weren’t … we’d all belong to the same religion. I’m not Mormon. I‘m voting for Mitt because I think he can get some JOB creation goin’.
Report Post »drobarts
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:22pmI was about to say what PGMIKE said, but he beat me to it. Yes, go check your facts before you check your mouth next time, please!
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:22pmGOODSTUF Bigotry at its finest. I find people like you sad. So you call us a cult, but don’t prove it in any way??? Why is that? Because you spread falsehoods and you know it? If this were true why not bring us the evidence?? Oh you can’t find it and what you do find is just another bigot spouting off more lies. Bring us the real facts.. facts that can”t be disputed.. Also, the church has about 1 million new converts every three years, so thats 330,000 new members every year. I will not dispute that not all of them stay active, but even we are being weeded out. Just like the wheat from the tares.
Report Post »FREEDOMLUVER Why do you lie also… Mitt is not a Progresive. if anything he is a moderate with conservative leanings.. He in no way is anything like Barrack Obama. Obama is a evil man and I can honestly say that Mitt Romney is not evil in anyway. And if anyone can fix our country it is Mitt Romney! God help us!
marvel
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:34pm@GOODSTUFF
>> cult
1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols. << (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult )
If you want to speak technicality, technically all religions are cults. So, let's take a look at Mormonism.
1) Yes, Mormons have "a particular system of worship"… So do other Christians.
2) Yes, Mormons worship and venerate Jesus of Nazareth, who they believe to the Christ… So do other Christians.
3) God the Father, and His Son Jesus the Christ are the objects of veneration to Mormons… The same with other Christians.
4) Mormons are bound together with each other in their worship and veneration of the above… Just like other Christian sects.
5) Mormons do represent a group with common sociology based on the above beliefs and associated rituals… Just like other Christian sects.
Okay, so Mormons are a cult of Jesus Christ, just like other Christians… What's the problem?
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:44pm@abbygirl1994
You claim providing video evidence of someone calling THEMSELF a progressive is a lie?
Good Lord, what are you drinking?
Do you have selective hearing abilities or something?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzidpJyayKQ
So, when Romney clearly states that he is a PROGRESSIVE, who is the one not telling the truth….you…or I?
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:57pm@marvel
Well the issue dividing Mormons from Christians is the Mormon beliefs of…
1) God was a man on another planet. If this is the case that means there are more than one God, which Christians do not believe. If God was a man, someone made him. The Bible is pretty clear there is only one God. So this Mormon belief is false. Yes I know Mormons will bring up the trinity, but honestly that is alot different than believing the God of the Bible was created by another god.
2) The belief that you also can become a god. This completely goes against Christian beliefs. Now Mormons will say, but Jesus said “ye be gods”. Well in that time men who judged over life and death were called “gods” Note the lower case. Secondly the passages also says “isnt it written in your laws” well who’s law is it written? Next case Mormons claim is they are children of God and will inherit his kingdom and they assume his power. Problem with that is not all of many are God’s children according to the Bible. We are adopted children, we only become his children after we believe in Jesus Christ died for our sins.
3) Next is the belief Jesus and Satan are real brothers. Well this kind of goes back to number 2. Since Mormons believe that God actually procreates and we are his children it makes since to call all his creations his children. I will not put anything or anyone in comparison to Jesus. To do this is insulting.
4) The temple rituals are satanic.
Report Post »marvel
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:44pm@MUTINY
Okay, so you have made a statement about the theological differences between Mormons and non-Mormon Christians (though your understanding of our beliefs are partly wrong). It does not really add anything to the conversation about “cults”, seeing that I have shown that even other Christians are technically “cults” of Jesus Christ, just like Mormons are. The practices, rituals, and worship of the Mormon cult are centered around Jesus Christ at every level. So, what makes calling Mormons a “cult” such a bad thing? …Recognizing the differences in theology of course, which is really irrelevant to the question of what a cult is. That was my point.
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Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:49pm@MUTINY
Now to the rest of your post…
You are mistaken if you think Mormons seek to comform their religious beliefs with that of mainstream Christianity. Obviously we have a different set of beliefs. We are not unique in that respect among the other sects of Christianity who share many beliefs and standards with each other, yet differ in some points of theology and practices.
In case you are not aware, we claim that God the Father and his Only Begotten Son appeared to Joseph Smith, and spoke to him. During that event, they revealed to Joseph that the great apostasy, which was foretold, had occured since the time that Christ himself had established his Church anciently, and that neither his Church, nor his priesthood authority were on the earth. Through this and other heavenly visitations, the Church of Jesus Christ was once again restored to the earth.
So, when mainstream Christians say that we are not “like” them in some aspects, it’s not an insult to us, since we believe their doctrines and creeds are false at many levels. Though, we do acknowledge that many others are true and sincere Christians nonetheless, and that principles of truth can be found in almost any religion including theirs. In fact, we embrace all truth, regardless of who utters it.
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Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:54pm@mutiny
since you put them in order ill address them in order.
1. Genesis 1:26 “And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness” God the Father and his son Jesus both Gods. I won‘t bring up the trinity because that word isn’t even found in the Bible. I don’t believe in this “mystery of the Christian faith” because I believe Jesus taught that this is life eternal, to know the only true God and his Son. Jesus has a resurrected body with the marks of his crucifixion still in his hands and his feet. He will show them to the Jews (Zech 13:6)
John 8:28″Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.”
John 5:19 “The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”
Is it so hard to believe that the Father at one time might have done what Jesus did and that Jesus learned from his Father? Is it insulting Jesus to teach that he condescended to be with man, to have mortality? Does that make him less of a God to you that he did that? To me, that shows that he descended below all things that he might be raised above all things. Continue to 2.
Report Post »Joey8
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:07pm2. “The belief that you also can become a god. This completely goes against Christian beliefs”
I don’t say that I want to become a God, I say that I want to become like my Savior and Redeemer. We’re commanded to “be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect” (Matt 5:48). We’re given a great promise that many overlook in Romans 8:17
“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.”
Heirs of the Father, and joint-heirs with Jesus Christ. Do I need to explain what heirs means?
you said “Next case Mormons claim is they are children of God and will inherit his kingdom and they assume his power. Problem with that is not all of many are God’s children according to the Bible”
Report Post »Notice how I am using scripture references? Where does it say “not all of many are God’s children”. I already showed Romans 8:17, now for Hebrews 12:9
“Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” Father of our Spirits. Acts 17:29 “Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.” Continued
Joey8
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:19pm…John 20:17 “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” God is the Father of Jesus as well as us. I don’t know how it could get any clearer than “my Father and you Father”.
Report Post »I can understand where you can get confused with the adoption part. As I put before, God is the Father of our spirits, but that doesn’t mean we automatically become heirs just for being his children. Sometimes the phrase “sons of God” isn’t talking about our spirits. By accepting Jesus Christ and following him, not just accepting but doing what he asks (if ye love me, keep my commandments), then we become adopted into the family of Abraham and the covenant God made with him and his people to become heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ.
3. Jesus and Satan are brothers. “I will not put anything or anyone in comparison to Jesus. To do this is insulting.” I‘m sorry I don’t understand what is insulting about comparing Jesus to Satan. Jesus is light, Satan is darkness. That’s comparing. I‘ll admit that the Bible doesn’t talk too much about Satan before this earth was, other than he rebelled and was cast out (Isaiah 14). Jesus had no problem saying “my Father and your Father”. We’re all spirit children of God, doesn’t mean we all end up choosing good in this life. Hitler was and is a spirit child of God. Doesn’t mean God is any less of a Go
Joey8
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:27pm…I also admit that we are privileged to have additional scripture (don’t even try with the “add to or take away from this book”, try reading the last verse in the last chapter of John) that explain that Satan or Lucifer was once held in high regard but chose to rebel against God.
Your last point #4. “The temple rituals are satanic.”
LoL. How do I comment on that one. Have you been through the Temple? Were the temple rituals in the Old Testament satanic as well? The ignorance hurts my brain.
I enjoy having discussions on religion but I find that the only way they are productive is if there is honesty involved. I try to be as honest as I can in regards to my beliefs and others beliefs. I‘ve spent a long time researching my religion and others in hopes that I don’t come off as ignorant as some of the people here. I have many friends in all religions, including Muslims(oh no!). I love them all as my brother. Lets have honest and respectful dialogue and hold our tongues if we don‘t know what we’re talking about
Report Post »Joey8
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:40pmI’m not naive enough to think that you convince people by showing them scripture verses. That’s never my intent. I do like to show that our beliefs are backed in the Bible but our explained more through modern day prophets (1 Peter 1:20-21), the same kind that originally wrote the Bible, as well as the Book of Mormon. I don‘t care if you don’t believe as I do, that’s fine. I do have a problem with falsehoods being copied and pasted so I take the time to respond to them. I love that The Father and his Son Jesus Christ visited a young boy rather than all the learned men of that day
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 5:06pm@joey
1. All you have implied is that God and Jesus are both gods. Ok so you dont want to use the trinity but you are going to the trinity defense. We believe God and Jesus are one god in three forms ( ice, steam, water) for example. You believe there are many gods that God, Jesus, and the holy spirit are just three of many.
http://www.irr.org/mit/one-god.html Here is 28 verses teaching there is only ONE GOD. Its in the Bible so I am sure you will say, its not translated correctly or something. But 28 is a pretty clear number.
2. Joint heirs is your defense? Well if I adopted a child I would raise it as I do my other children and love him or her just as much. He or she would get the same as the others except one thing. My DNA. I cannot make that child from my blood no matter how hard I try. Same love, same inheritance different DNA. So yes the child may try to be like me in every way, but due to his or her adoptions it cannot happen.
The apostle Paul is pretty clear on this in his teachings. Do the Mormons just ignore this part of the Bible? The Mormon faith makes many assumptions, but if you look at the very clear message that is in the Bible over and over again, we are adopted children of God.
Paul declared that “the Lord knows them that are his” (2 Timothy 2:19), and that suggests that some are not his.
contined..
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“We are sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus” (Gal. 3:26)
Joey8
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 5:21pm@Mutiny
Report Post »I know we only have one God, Jesus taught that. It’s also stated in the Book of Mormon many times. http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/mosiah/15?lang=eng first 4 verses. Doesn‘t mean that there aren’t others. You didn’t comment on Jesus having a resurrected body. Do you think he still has it? Or did he throw it away when he was done visiting his disciples. If Jesus doesn’t have it still, then how is he going to show it to the Jews after he splits the mountain? If he does still have it, does the Father not have one?
I can see where you’re talking about adoption, but you disregarded the scripture that stated that God is the Father of our spirits. There was no “adoption” mentioned in there. Also, another one, Ephesians 4:6 “One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” One Father of ALL, not just a few. If you don’t think that all means everyone there, then that means he isn’t above all and through all and in all.
Like I wrote before, just because God is the Father of our spirits doesn’t mean we our automatically heirs. That’s when we accept Christ and our baptized for remission of sins. That‘s when we become Christ’s
I didn’t mean to sound insulting in other threads. I actually enjoy doing this, helps me stay on top of my scripture study. I‘m interested in what you think of Jesus’ body now?
Joey8
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 6:16pm@mutiny
Saw that you posted a reply in the wrong thread, here’s my reply.
Satan mixes truth with lies. What did God say about Adam and Eve taking the fruit?
Gen 3:22 “And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us”. Wait, isn’t that what Satan said “Ye shall not surely die:For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
Satan lied about dying, but he said that they’ll be as the gods, knowing good and evil”. Was that part a lie? Then God lied in verse 22. So we learn that Satan will use some truth with a lie to further his purposes.
So you said Joseph Smith failed the prophet test in the Bible. What test was that? By their fruits ye shall know them? The fruit of Joseph Smith was the Book of Mormon and millions of people read it and believe it and I’m a better person from reading it. You can say the Book of Mormon has been disproven the same way the Bible has been disproven. How do you respond to atheists that say the Bible has been disproven? It’s to be taken by faith through the Holy Ghost.
Report Post »Also, I believe that you aren’t supposed to accept a different Gospel than the one taught by Jesus Christ, even if an angel proclaimed it. It’s a good thing the Book of Mormon teaches the same gospel, not a different one.
Joey8
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 6:21pmalso, I didn’t understand your “facts are facts” statement. Which facts were you referring to? That a handshake is a tool of Satan, or that a cutting motion is a tool of Satan, but not the actual cutting of animals like they did in the Old Testament. I don’t understand the logic behind that point. Since you posted the reply in the wrong spot, I’ll give you my email so we can continue this without messing with this annoying comment section. Maybe you’ll be the first evangelical to actually take my offer with the email so we can discuss this some more. I enjoy searching the scriptures. email: wrastler8(@)junoDOTcom
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 7:57pm@joey
So you are saying because Satan tricked Eve now we can become gods? Yes he mixes truth and lies to trick I agree, but you are falling for the trick. Satan told Eve that she will not die and she will be LIKE God. This is all a lie. We cannot be like God. She was tricked by Satan to believe she could be LIKE God but that doesnt mean she could become a god.
Is your definition of being a god “knowing good and evil”? God didnt lie.
Deut 18 21
You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?”
Deut 18 22
If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
So to recap, if a prophet makes a prophecy in God‘s name that does’t come true, he is a false prophet. Seems pretty simple to me.
History of the Church, vol. 2, p. 189
Prophecy about Jesus’ return within 56 years.
Jesus hasnt returned. Strike one!
Doctrine and Covenants 84:2-5,31
Prophecy that the temple would be built in Missouri within Smith’s Generation.
It didnt happen. Strike two!
Doctrine and Covenants 87:1-3
All Nations would be involved in the American Civil War.
Didnt happen. Strike Three, you are out Joe!!
It only takes one to failure of the Biblical test to show me he is false, but I love baseball so I went for the strike out.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 8:06pm@joey
Jesus Christ didnt die on the cross for us to make oaths that involve us cutting our throats. We are never burdened with more than we can handle. Suicide is for the people with no faith in Jesus Christ.
The reason I do this, isnt to argue with you or other Mormons. I want Mormons to look at what I type and go use the Bible to do research on it. I feel Mormons are good people, but have been tricked into believing in a different Jesus Christ. Without Jesus Christ you cannot get to Heaven. As I have said before, with Mormons are correct, I go to a lower tier of Heaven, maybe even one with the Muslims. If evangelicals are right, Mormons go to hell. So this is an attempt according to my faith to reach out to Mormons out of love. No hate, its out of love.
Report Post »Joey8
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:42pm@mutiny
Report Post »Did you copy and paste from here http://carm.org/false-prophecies-of-joseph-smith ? I’m trying to have honest dialogue with you but you want to copy and paste from the Christians apologetics research ministry. I almost thought that you’d actually read the Book of Mormon or the teachings of Joseph Smith. I bet you didn’t read the next few paragraphs in the history of the church because they only had that snippet. If you want to read well thought out replies to every single one of those claims, http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Alleged_false_prophecies. Strike one two and three rejected, umpire had bad eyes!
Again though, I’m quoting Bible verses, not even really interpreting them because they are so simple and you still don’t want to believe them. My definition of being a God is knowing what God knows, being as God is, becoming an heir of God and a joint heir with Christ.
I really don’t know where you get suicide from. I think it’s lazy to copy and paste talking points from websites. I expect more from a Ron Paul supporter. You said “Without Jesus Christ you cannot get to Heaven”, have I said anything contrary to that? I‘m pretty sure I said it’s through Jesus we can become heirs of God as the Bible says.
I‘m a little dissappointed that you didn’t comment on Jesus’ body. I’m actually very curious to hear which version of Jesus you believe in. The unknowing formless blob or the resurrected Christ with the body he showed to his disciples after he
Joey8
Posted on February 5, 2012 at 12:04am…died. He even ate! Pretty cool! Gives me hope that after this life I can continue to eat which I thoroughly enjoy. I want to be like Jesus!
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:37pmPolls show Romney as the only candidate that can beat Obambi. Newty loses by 15 points.
Romney/West 2012.
Report Post »marion
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:20pmAre you really going to accept that Mitt is the only one that can beat BHO? You know, the media that is in BHO’s back pocket and all that? No, I don’t believe that at all.
How many of you out there want to see Newt at a debate with BHO? Every person I have talked to say they would pay money to see that debate.
All Mitt has proven is that he can take an existing business and make a profit. Nothing against a man making money, it’s the American way, but how many movies were made about corporate takeovers, the only one with a decent ending was Batman. Newt has already proven he can do the job, and Santorum knows Newt can, too. I say Newt/Santorum 2012.
Report Post »psadie
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:35pmMitt has yet to define his ideas. He still speaks in generalities with no explicit plan. Yesterday, Mitt said that he would increase the minimum wage. WHAT? I think we Americans have been played again because the GOP establishment has promised Mitt he could have the Presidency this time. Sen. John McCain told Hannity yesterday that the GOP has had enough debates and everyone knows where they stand so no more debates. While, Sen. Lindsay Graham said, on Greta, that Newt knows how to move Congress and get things done and that is why Congress is getting no where now. They are in gridlock and Newt was in that position and got everyone to work together for the good of the country. This tells me that the GOP needs to stop Gingrich in his tracks before he derails Mitt and takes the nomination away from him. Why do they not have the interests of the country ahead of their own? It says to me that business will continue as usual with Mitt and that they will throw a bone to the American voters every now and then so it will look like they are doing something.
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:48pmSeems like you don’t believe Newt is a progressive, when he has told us several times…that he is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH_h4hrrYjA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjKlxVFHJPs
Both Gingrich and Romney are PROGRESSIVES for Pete’s sake!
Report Post »Babeuf
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:55pmding ding ding We have a winner! Good observation!
Newt has actually passed and implemented more Conservative Agenda then any man currently alive. Meanwhile, Romney has passed and implemented more Liberal Agenda then any man alive. That’s as clear of a choice as I have ever seen…
I also read that Mitt Romney and Ron Paul are forming an alliance, don’t know if it is true or not….
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Babeuf
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:58pmFreedomlover
How can someone be progressive when they are for more States Rights, making block grants to states for education (no conditions), limiting the size of the Federal Government, less government regulaiton in business, lower taxes, a more consitutional court system, and a return to consitutional rights and freedoms???
How can someone be a progressive when they say I will fire all the unconsitution Czars that Bush and Obama hired (ALL OF THEM) and within his first 2 hours in office resend 40% of all the Exectutive orders that Obama has put in place over the last 4 years??
How progressive is a person that wants to push for school choice, is pro life, and believes in limiting the power of government, auditing the FED, and firing Ben Bernanke?
Does that sound progressive to you???
Report Post »psadie
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:59pm@FREEDOMLUVER
Report Post »Newt ACCOMPLISHED things while Speaker. This is exactly the problem right now, nothing is getting done other than pushing Obama’s agenda faster. Art Laffer, a well-respected economist in Reagan’s administration, says that Newt’s tax plan of 15% is FAR BETTER than Mitt’s plan (25%). I want this country to move forward fast not at a turtles’ pace. Mitt has that blank stare in his eyes as if he is searching for the correct answer.
Freedomluver
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:27pmBabeuf & psadie
Newt is simply telling what you want to hear, even though it goes against what he has clearly stated in the past.
I’m not falling for it.
If Newt actually understood what the founders had in mind, he would not be offering block grants, as he would be explaining the fact that the founders gave us a limited Federal government and the whole notion of providing for the General Welfare in the form of education as is being done today is NOT what they had in mind.
“Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.”
Thomas Jefferson
“If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the general welfare, the government is no longer a limited one possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one subject to particular exceptions.” -James Madison
“With respect to the two words “general welfare,” I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.” — James Madison, letter to James Robertson
You may wish to argue that Newt is a changed man, and that he now gets this, but I think he’s simply tickling your ears.
Why don’t you beleive him when he claims he IS a progressive?
Report Post »psadie
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:46pm@FREDDOMLUVER
Report Post »You keep ignoring the accomplishments of Gingrich while Speaker! Romneycare=Obamacare. How do you defend something like that in a debate? I will go with the candidate that has put his money where his mouth is. I don’t want just talk. And as for Santorum, we in PA, kicked his azz to the curb and we got a great Senator in Pat Toomey. Santorum is a HUGE govt. spender. He loves earmarks and voted for all govt. programs yet he backed the loser Arlen Specter for re-election when he crossed the aisle to become a Democrat. Rick also voted down right-to-work. Thanks, Rick we don’t miss you one bit. Peddle your pious baloney somewhere else.
Freedomluver
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:34pm@psadie
Newt is on record in full support of an “individual mandate”, such as is found in Obamacare.
As for so called accomplishments…well I guess if you are a progressive, you might consider what he did as accomplishments.
Here’s his actual record on full display.
http://newtexposed.com/
Now when Newt described himself as a PROGRESSIVE, do you think he was lying?
Report Post »Babeuf
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:49pmHere is why I am voting for Newt… I can not convince anyone else to change their mind on their candidate, and I am not going to try. You vote for you who want, that is what the primaries are for.
Report Post »1. Repeal Obamacare and pass a replacement that saves lives and money by empowering patients and doctors, not bureaucrats and politicians.
2. Return to robust job creation with a bold set of tax cuts and regulatory reforms that will free American entrepreneurs to invest and hire, as well as by reforming the Federal Reserve and creating a training requirement for extended federal unemployment benefits to encourage work and improve the quality of our workforce.
3. Unleash America’s full energy production potential in oil, natural gas, coal, biofuels, wind, nuclear oil shale and more, creating jobs, stimulating a sustainable manufacturing boom, lowering gasoline and other energy prices, increasing government revenues, and bolstering national security.
4. Save Medicare and Social Security by giving Americans more choices and tools to live longer, healthier lives with greater financial independence.
5. Balance the federal budget by freeing job-creators to grow the economy, reforming entitlements, and implementing waste cutting and productivity improvement systems such as Lean Six Sigma to eliminate waste and fraud. Pass a balanced budget amendment to keep it balanced.
Babeuf
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:53pm6. Control the border by January 1, 2014 and establish English as the official language of government; reform the legal visa system, and make it much easier to deport criminals and gang members while making it easier for law abiding visitors to come to the US.
7. Revitalize our national security system to meet 21st century threats by restructuring and adequately funding our security agencies to function within a grand strategy for victory over those who seek to kill us or limit American power.
8. Maximize the speed and impact of medical breakthroughs by removing unnecessary obstacles that block new treatments from reaching patients and emphasizing research spending towards urgent national priorities, like brain science with its impact on Alzheimer’s, autism, Parkinson’s, mental health and other conditions knowledge of the brain will help solve.
9. Restore the proper role of the judicial branch by using the clearly delineated powers available to the president and Congress to correct, limit, or replace judges who violate the Constitution.
10. Enforce the Tenth Amendment by starting an orderly transfer of power and responsibility from the federal government back “to the states, respectively, or to the people,” as the Constitution requires. Over the next year, state and local officials and citizens will be asked to identify the areas which can be transferred back home.
There is more but I am running out of room!
Report Post »psadie
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:58pm@BABEUF
Report Post »AMEN, BROTHER. Let’s not forget that Newt agreed with Reagan on MOST things. He even dragged Bill Clinton along and sent him on the right path even though as shrewd as Bill is, he knew he had to go along to get along. Bill even now takes credit for all the things that happened while he was President; he came kicking and screaming all the way.
Mutiny
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 7:21pm@bab
Well those are all good things and Newt says great things. The problem is Newt will say anything to get elected. He has shown politically and morally he is corrupt.
There is one candidate that will do what he says. Ron Paul!
1. He will get rid of Obama/Romney care by returning the power back to the states. A federal mandate will not be allowed under President Ron Paul.
2. The only thing that will truely help our economy is to stop the giant wastes in spending from taxes taken from business. Dr. Paul is the only one cutting real spending and not proposed increases.
3. Ron Paul believes that the oil industry is over regulated and will cut the red tape to help our own energy production.
4. Ron Paul budget cuts nothing from medicare and his proposals eventually phase it out.
5. Without cutting our militarism we cannot balance our budget. Ron Paul addresses this issue, Newt is for more war. 900 bases in 130 countries and being the policemen of the world doesnt work.
Ron Paul’s budget still allows us to have a military budget 4 times larger than the second country in the world in military spending.
6. Ron Paul fixes the border in two ways. If the economy grows Americans get good paying job and dont mind paying Mexicans workers doing labor jobs. Secondly he gets rid of the free benefits they get now which gives them less incentive to stay.
7. Ron Paul believes our military should protect our country and our interests.
continue
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 7:30pm@bab
continued.
When you stop all of the global police force you realize our army can protect us fine. Of course the army becoming more modern is a going to be said by all candidates. What president says he wants our army to be unmodern and not effective.
8. Dr. Paul believes the government should be out of medicine. This alone will lead to improvements in care and research. Anything big government is in has waste all over it. Running research companies as a business and not part of the government will vastly improve medicine and care.
9. The president getting rid of courts he doesnt agree with like what Newt said in a debate is a bad idea. What happens when Democrat is in office? There is a process already in place and the law should just be followed.
10. Ron Paul is the champion of states rights.
Report Post »moussiagilda
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:18pmPlenty of smart articulate Newt fans on this board! I love it!!! Keep it readable, instead of making this board dueling stupidities! Let’s class up this board with a whole lot of literateness!
As for Beck’s motives in demonizing Newt…he’s either suicidal or more emotionally disturbed than he was before, and he’s trying to take us all along into his downward spiral. I’m dying to call in to his show, and talk to him for a few segments, to find out exactly how stable he is.
Report Post »reform
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:07pmAnd when was the last time you actually help in rebuilding a church other than the one you believe in? You have the audacity to say we are not Christian when we extend ourselves to all and not a select few thank you.
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:17pmI have no problem with Mormons, but I sure do have a problem with PROGRESSIVES, and Romney is one of them.
Here’s the charlatan in his own words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzidpJyayKQ
Report Post »BODYBAG
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:04pmThis is just barely getting started and its already become the nastiest, most under-handed
display in presidential politics history. Gotta love a political plant trying to create a nasty
damaging headline event making the statement ” I was just standing there, minding my
own business….”. Yeah right.
Gingrich sued for assault & battery.
http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/04/newt-gingrich-lawsuit-assault-battery/
In a lawsuit filed yesterday in U.S. District court in Florida, Edward Dillard claims he was just minding his own business on January 31 when Newt and his wife came strolling up to the polling place. Dillard claims he was standing outside of a canopy which had been set up with a microphone stand, when Newt and Callista came right up to him and shook his hand.
Dillard claims Newt then noticed his Ron Paul t-shirt and “immediately turned his back” to him and went on to greet other people. That‘s when Dillard claims several of Gingrich’s security team came up to him and tried to “intimidate him into moving from the spot.”
Dillard — who says he was wearing open-toed sandals — then claims one of the agents “lifted his heeled shoe over Dillard’s right foot and dug the back of it into his skin, twisting it side-to-side like he was stomping out a cigarette, causing a fracture to Dillard’s right foot.”
Report Post »OhSuzieQ
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:22pmHey, it sounds like the man in the WH right now…diggin into our skin.
Report Post »SheriS
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:34pmNewtie will do what he feels he needs to do to get rid of any voters who choose to disagree with him. Thank heaven, he won‘t be coming to my state because he couldn’t get his name on the ballot because he didn’t follow the rules of the VA Repub Party! Won’t have to listen to his dirtbag ideas here and we can actually go to the polls without being attacked by his nutty supporters! Unfortunately we will have to put up with the disgusting Paulbots who never shut up! I’ve removed my name and membership from all the Tea Party groups I somehow became a member, but want no part of them thanks to their own behavior! Will not vote for Paul or Newtie—as I remember Newtie’s history in the House and he was an embarrassment and continues to be!
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:48pmRomney admits he’s a PROGRESSIVE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzidpJyayKQ
Al Gore’s praise for Romney.
http://blog.algore.com/2011/06/good_for_mitt_romney_though_we.html
Romney in his own words on guns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzYTdM9b5F4
More Romney doublespeak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BI9yjhd8b84
This man is nothing but a used car salesman who will say ANYTHING at any time to hoodwink the foolish.
Ron Paul 2012
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:34pmRuPaul kook alert.
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:58pmGoodStuff
Let’s see, you are voting for a self proclaimed PROGRESSIVE, and you call others kooks?
I also take note of the fact that you are unable to counter anything I posted, because I used your candidates own words against you.
You go ahead and vote for your PROGRESSIVE charlatan and see where that gets you, and when you are standing in line to enter a stadium with your children and they are pulled out of line for a nice little NWO strip search…remember…YOU VOTED FOR IT.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:40pm@goodstuff
Man your attack on freedom was awesome. I mean you really showed him why Ron Paul is a crazy person.
Your post was so full of information, I might just vote for Mitt who is a progressive, anti gun, pro choice, tax raiser, who doesnt understand basic economics if he thinks raising minimum wage.
Obama will get 4 more years if you so called tea party/conservatives vote Mitt, Newt, and Rick in.
Ron Paul 2012, I am writing his name in if I have to.
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:37pmRomney has the best hair … and … he will take Nevada.
Report Post »OhSuzieQ
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:06pmOMG…I hope not!
Report Post »OhSuzieQ
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:15pmOMG..I hope not! Rick Santorum has my vote !
Report Post »ThemDemsLie2much
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:25pmDon’t forget that Stinky Reid was elected here. Not very smart in this state. Must be the heat on their brain.
Report Post »Babeuf
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:03pmActually, Romney took Nevada last time too. It’s high Mormon population is what helps him.
Report Post »Romney_Shromney
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:32pmNot surprising…Nevada is full of liberals and mormons. That’s why Harry Reid keeps getting elected. Mark my words, in November we are going to be stuck with a Republican nominee who is not a Christian and a dim-o-crat president who is not a Christian. Your only choice will be the non-Christian who is the lesser of two evils.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:43pmDonald Trump endorsed Romney. Did you know that Trump also endorsed Rein?
Report Post »Trump has given more money to DEMOCRATS than he has given to Republicans.
…and people like Fox listen to Trump? Outrageous.
hi
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:51pmOur bumper stickers will say,”Lesser of the 2 evils 2012.”
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:51pmWho in their right mind would vote for someone who changes their positions more often than their holy underware?
Who are these people voting for this charletan, who has admitted he is a PROGRESSIVE?
Report Post »themetrick
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:53pm@ Romney-Shromeny –I’m so sick of reading evangelical anti-Mormon bigotry. I‘m LDS and I am so glad I don’t meet your definition of Christian. If the hate-mongering, demeaning words that spew from the so-called “christian” community on these website are the doctrine of Christ then i want nothing to do with it. I can‘t believe you can’t get past a Mormon being president under the simple precept that you define them as non-christian. Even if we don’t match your definition there is nothing in our doctrine that falls out of line with the traditional conservative values that make this country great. You’re a sad human being and terrible representative of christian beliefs.
Report Post »reform
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:04pmThemetrick the reason we believe the way we do tell me other than the Mormons how do you help financially or otherwise the so-called other Christians. Explain to me how you can help out Catholic charities, or Baptist or Methodist explain to me how you extend yourselves to us?
Report Post »Believer33
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:38pmYou are complete idiot. I hope you have not reproduced for the Country’s sake. God help us with morons like yourself!
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:39pm@THEMETRICK – it does get frustrating when people think they own the copyright to the title “Christian”
@Reform – you keep posting this same line that “mormons” don’t help people outside of their faith. I can see why you might not know how much we help members of all faiths because we don’t trumpet it to the world. I simply wish you could have been in the southeast when those hurricanes devastated the area – mormon volunteers were some of the first people organized and out helping people recover (wearing the “helping hands” shirts – if you were there). I wish you could have seen the members of my congregation donating blankets, food, etc. to the survivors of the recent tsunami. The same thing happened to donate supplies and money to the survivors of the earthquake in Haiti. Do you remember the work and money donated to make prop 8 pass? Prop 8 never would have won in cali without the mormons. Finally, I remember growing up and my parents anonymously leaving food, etc. on the doorsteps of neighbors who couldn’t buy enough food for their kids – these neighbors were not mormons.
I’m sorry you have such a poor perception of our charitable nature. I guess unless you’re actually attending a mormon congregation, you would never know what charity goes on within it since we don’t send out fliers announcing it. Personally, I’ve never seen a more charitable people – but I did have some Seventh Day Adventists friends growing up who were probably equally as charitable
Report Post »Believer33
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:41pm@Romney_Shromney
That last comment was definitely intended for you…
Report Post »Believer33
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:43pm@ reform
You should really do some research before you start spouting of crap like that. It sure makes you look like a complete idiot. Do your homework you lazy pile of turd.
Report Post »PGMike
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:09pm@Reform,
Report Post »The Mormon church has a huge worldwide humanitarian relief system in place that sends hundreds of tons of food, clothing, hygiene kits, blankets, etc all over the world. The next time you are in SLC you should stop by “Welfare Square” and take a look. You will be impressed.
Also, ask any Mayor of a city that has had a natural disaster in the last 10 years if the Mormons showed up to help, they will tell you not only did we show up, but we stayed as long as was needed.
Freedomluver
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:10pm@P8riot
I’ll have to say sorry for talking about Romney changing positions more than he changes his holy underwear. That was kinda uncalled for, and I do find Mormons to be people of good character and generally pretty sensible.
Romney however is NOT a good Mormon, as he is a progressive snake oil salesmen, so my refusing to vote for him has nothing to do with his religion…it is his flip flopping policies that make me want to hurl… while tossing stuff at the TV.
I’d sooner vote for an atheist who stands with Jefferson than a so called Christian who spits on the Bill of Rights.
Report Post »SerenityPlease
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:21pmWe believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
Report Post »We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.
We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
Some of the Articles of Faith written by Joseph Smith. Could not post all of them
themetrick
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:26pm@ Reform
As the others have covered the welfare aspects of the LDS church you should also understand the financial and political influence the memeber of the LDS church use to support christians religions. I would say “fellow christians” but we apparently aren’t allowed to use that term, even when assisting them. The most obvious example would be the recent coalition with Prop 8 in California. Members of the LDSfaith rallied, heavily with Catholics, but almost all other major Christians churches to combat opposition of the bill. Without the LDS members supporting the other denominations the bill was sure to fail and the sanctity of marriage in the state wouldn‘t be under appeal but would be trampled and on it’s way to destruction. Another example is to recognize the relationship between the LDS church and other churches in Salt Lake City. Rarely do any churches in state of UT stand alone is promoting Christian belief in local and state government. In fact the President of the LDS Church, Thomas Monson, and John Charles Wester, the Bishop of the Catholic Diocese in Salt Lake are close friends. They continually work together reaching out for mutual benefit for the promotion of peace and Christian teachings. These examples only touch the tip of the ice berg. Again, someone please provide for me a specific example of how a Mormon, by definition as “Non-Christian” is a legitimate reason to not put them int he White House? I mean are you afraid we will mandate our teach
Report Post »Romney_Shromney
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:38pmI noticed that none of you mormons in a tizzy who are calling me “hateful” because I said that mormons are not Christians are not disagreeing with my comment that Obummer is not a Christian either. I’m not hateful because I hate neither Romney nor Obama. I do feel that they are both misguided, and it offends me that they call themselves Christian, as one has spent over 50 years in a bizarre underwear cult and the other 20 years in Jeremiah Wright’s socialism cult. I don‘t trust either one’s judgement for being long term members of weird cults. There was no mormonism when our country was created, and there was no mormonism until over 1800 years after Christ the Lord officially ENDED all rituals and revelation with his blood.
Sorry, but you are not getting away with calling me hateful. I pray for Romney and Obama, that they will both come to know Biblical truth. And I pray that our next representative of the free world will be a Christian.
Report Post »themetrick
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:27pm@ romneyshomrey
You are hateful. By your tone.Conveniently throwing out terms and shots at what you know to be sacred to a single group in order to ridicule, belittle and defame is hateful. You can sit there and act nice and innocent all you want, but you know what your intentions are. Yours is an effort to paint a group of people as a certain type by throwing in adjectives that you know the public will find controversial while completing altering the truth. Once again, if this is being Christian then sign me up for hell. Of course, being LDS you think I‘m going there anyway so doesn’t matter much anyway. I still hold to my original argument. That not voting for someone because they are Mormon has no merit other than it exposes the bigotry and religious discrimination of the extreme evangelical Christian right.
Report Post »Californiasodbuster
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:30pmNo news here, Nevada is turning into Ca., too many union humanoids, more big government coming, Reid?, Boxer?,Feinstein?, Romney?
Report Post »We are doomed.
reform
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:45pmYou are correct in the way of the movement of the state of Nevada many relatives there in the last 10 years or so the influx of liberals into the state has caused it to go into decline. when I lived there I got 2 rebate checks from my property taxes because the state had too much money, now they are running into so much debt I hear the Gov. don’t know which way to turn. They did this my family tells me about Jim Gibbons also but it was because the Senate has been made up liberal Democrats mainly in the Clark County District. Rural Nevada is made up of very conservative minded people but their population doesn’t match the major Clark County District population. Why does this matter because in Clark County is were all the freebies are handed out then you have the unions protecting their workers in the casinos. That’s why Sheldon Adelson/Steve Wynn and the station casinos are primary targets for the unions who belong to the culinary union.
Report Post »Californiasodbuster
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:57pmAnd i had always wanted to move to the eastern slope of the sierras in Nevada.
Report Post »Liberals will ruin every beautiful place on this earth, before it’s over.
P8riot
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:27pmNewt also knows Mitt will eventually win the nomination, but he’s willing to destroy the party before he drops out.
Report Post »cripplecreek
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:40pmUnfortunately I think you’re right. His supporters have gone right down the list and accused every other candidate of working for Romney and its only helped Romney and Gingrich.
Makes me wonder if Gingrich hasn’t been the one bucking for a Romney VP slot all along.
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:01pmRomney will destroy the Republican party, as no true conservative in their right mind would vote for a flip flopping PROGRESSIVE.
We as a group en masse will either write in a real conservative, or go third party.
When given the choice between Mao and Mussolini, the only clear choice is none of the above.
This is the only way to send a loud and clear message to the RINO’s running the party…keep sending us McCains/Romneys…and lose every time.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:16pmNewt Gingrich Now Being Sued for Assault and Battery
http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/04/newt-gingrich-lawsuit-assault-battery/
Report Post »cripplecreek
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:12pmI support Santorum but it looks like a Romney nomination is inevitable. There just aren‘t enough voters between Santorum and Gingrich to overcome Romney and Ron Paul ain’t going anywhere.
Report Post »Simonne
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:24pmIn a poll it showed Santorum votes would split between Mitt & Newt which pleases me as I am a Mitt supporter. Frankly, I don’t understand why evangelicals or true conservatives (dumb term) as I consider myself a conservative would vote for Newt because of the type of person he is. I can understand Santorum but Newt? It doesn’t make too much sense to me.
Report Post »Whitey4West
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:25pmDon’t give up…vote your heart. That’s what primaries are for!
Report Post »Stuck_in_CA
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:31pmIf a guy who‘s been campaigning for the presidency 5 years can’t win in a state he won last time, there’s something fishy.
Report Post »Too bad the various ethnic and religious factions don’t vote on the basis of ideology and record, instead of bias.
CatB
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:37pmI agree.. the primary is where you vote for who you think is best … I voted Santorum in Florida .. you need to vote your “heart”.
Report Post »reform
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:38pmBecause in marriage it comes down to give and take some take more than they give which therefore normally leads to irreconcilable differences. And as far as the Mormon population in Nevada its 7 to 8% and many of them have voted for Dr. Paul because of the constitutional form that he stands for. The exit polls will be revealing to see how Dr. Paul and Mitt Romney matchup for the Mormon vote.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:41pm“Rick Santorum (45%) now leads President Obama (44%) in the new Rasmussen Presidential tracking poll. Several other GOP challengers have led the president a single time in the polls including Rick Perry, Herman Cain, and Newt Gingrich while they were surging in the polls, only to fall quickly. Mitt Romney has not led Obama in previous national match-ups for Rasmussen Reports polling. ”
Don’t tell me only Mitt can beat Obama!
Santorum 2012
Report Post »reform
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:56pmThat is not the point cripple Creek the question is why do Republicans lockout us independent voters? I will not change my party affiliation back to Republican for the simple fact to vote in a primary the reason being they don’t deserve to feel that I will automatically vote for them. Hopefully more Americans will understand this as they have done in the last couple of years switch to being independent there by not knowing how you will vote, neither party deserves to know your feelings that way they can’t put you in a box. Whether you like it or not that’s why Sarah Palin Herman Cain and now Newt say it is the people not the power, you can vote for issues that are important to you or who best represents your issues not solely based on Democrat or Republican. As you can see even in the Democratic Party the so-called blue dogs are being filtered out and replaced with very left leaning Democrats/socialist. As well as the Republican Party are filtering out the Reagan conservatives and replacing them with the Rockefellers. Either way it doesn’t bode well for our country.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:24pmDelegate wise only Mitt or Ron can win barring three candidates dropping out.
Newt and Rick didnt get on the ballots in states that produce 500+ delegates. This is to much to overcome. So all the Santorum and Gingrich supporters, if you really dont like Mitt and by listening to his words know he is a progressive you should vote Ron Paul.
Most say, Dr. Paul is the best on the economy. Anti Paul people say he is weak on defense, which is completely untrue. He would secure our borders, restore our freedoms, and cut the out of control spending. You have to ask yourself, does your candidate cut any real spending? Does your choice restore freedoms or is he a social engineer? What does your candidate say that others from Clinton to Bush to Obama havent said on securing our borders.
A progessive is a progressive. The R and D dont matter. There is only one conservative option in this race on either side, and that is Ron Paul.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:11pmLots of Mormans in NV. Gingrich knows they will vote for Romney.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:19pmAbig chunk of caucus votes on Saturday will come from Mormons. In 2008, about a quarter of caucus-goers were Mormons, and they broke 95% for Romney.
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:02pmThe good news … is … is … Gas has only doubled since obama took over.
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:29pmYep.
Report Post »Some people are back to work and that mean the economy has recovered?
Nice spin, Obama.
That aint gonna fly when gas his $4 again this summer.
TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:50amNo crystal ball here, but people who call themselves conservatives and plan on staying home or writing in their uncle better rethink that plan; or we will be stuck with that putz for another 4 more.
Report Post »Kara_ite
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:05pmYou are exactly correct. These people usually do not vote anyway. I have given my acquaintances an ultimatum. The ones who are non voters will be culled from my address book and they know it. This is part of the reason we are in this Democrat rats nest. I will drive them to a place to register to vote and then the rest is up to them. I do let them know what is going on if they will listen. So go out and befriend a non voter and shame them into registering to vote.
Report Post »reform
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:13pmOkay here’s my dilemma from what I understand nationally the Democrats hold 27% of the vote and the Republicans 31% that equals 58 what they fail to mention is the independents like myself which equals roughly 42%. In Nevada you cannot attend the caucuses unless you reregister as a Republican, which therefore leaves the independents out in the cold. Nevada also am told a large number of libertarians and/or other party affiliates. Isn’t it ironic that states would intentionally not allow us independents to express how we feel in an election? When in fact it was the independents that favored Barack Obama the last election and gave him the victory. My question is why would the GOP not allow us to vote for one of their particular candidates why shut us out? The same scenario played out in Florida seems they only want us come the general election. Because you see they feel we have nowhere else to go but for their candidate for the most part. Such a shame the way the political front has become for us it’s a lose lose situation. I see it as we will not favor their particular candidate therefore basically shutting us out before the general election.
Report Post »reform
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:29pmIn one sense I guess the Ron Paul supporters are pretty smart registering Republican than voting for libertarian stances I as an independent cannot do that.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:00pmMitt or Obama… Southpark is right again. We’re going to be forced to vote for a Giant Douche or a Turd Sandwich. Makes sense in a land where we can choose between radiation or a TSA groping when we visit Grandma for Thanksgiving. Gitmo vs. 2+2=5… Neither will do anything to address what Libertarian leaning folks are so upset about. Economic collapse and further deterioration of our civil liberties seems inevitable. It’s heartbreaking, Tron.
Report Post »MEANS2RESIST
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:22pmWe can b!tch & moan all we want, Barry this, Pelosi that, Reed this, Biteme that, Schumer that, RINO this, , liberal that…..they’re ALL still screwing us over, all of them, every last one of them and up the chain of the command as well, and its getting way oout of control. What happens when someone screws over the Columbians? They send a message in some form or fashion to make it clear………..”don’t screw with us!” The game is so beyond rigged, that i’m afaid very soon, we are going to have to get down & dirty….
If voting them all out this fall does nothing, then we are screwed. Vote in all new congress and pray that GOP & TEA get both house & senate (allthough I am a Paul supporter). This is the most critical election in American history, we have to get it right.. If obbast@rd get in again, the TYRANNY will increase ten fold, then that will be the signal for “it’s time begin hooking & jabbing”….
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:38pm@TRONINTHEMORNING
My crystal ball tells me that unless a true conservative wins the nomination (and that does not include Newt or Romney) it’s all over and Obama will win.
The RINO’s will never learn to quit sending us progressives if we continue to vote for the ones who they force upon us.
The answer is to vote with your conscience instead of blindly following the party line, and once they finally figure out that they will lose every time they send us another RINO we can finally change things.
Rewarding someone who spits in your face is simply counter productive, as they will continue to do so as long as you let them.
You give me the choice between Mao and Mussolini and I will do the moral thing…which is to vote for none of the above.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:46pmSo what though?…….you’re still going to wind up with a hard-core leftist to choose from either way….
Unless you start voting according to your own personal convictions and principles (as opposed to voting for someone just to keep the other guy from winning), then you’ll never get rid of the 1-party monopoly and you’ll be right back in the same situation again in 2016.
For once, then I ain’t going to go this route any longer.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:43amObama has 8 months to get the number of parasites, to 51% of the population…. Then he will win re election… Soon after the rest of the hard workers will follow…. Then the collapse !!! We are Greece…
Report Post »reform
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:22pmhow the convenient timing with Israel saying they may have to get involved if I ran, then you had the 8.3% so-called unemployment rate and the rise in the stock market all in the month of February leading up to a presidential election. Now how many people will the gather for not going to war with the possibility of helping Israel in the Iran conflict. Now you have the government stating 8.3% unemployment with a growth in jobs remember people this is the same administration that has seen unemployment rate for how many consecutive months. Detroit paperboy that’s how he will attain that 51% his handlers are very good at manipulating the mass that we call the American electorate.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:56pmGreece make better Gyros.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:34amJAN BREWER for PRESIDENT !!!
Report Post »AmazingGrace8
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:24pmJan and Bachmann and would not care who is VP. I like Palin but just like Ann Coulter, these two women are becoming naggers, in my opinion. Palin use to be steady-as-she-goes but now it is like listening to fingernails down a chalk-board. Jan & Bachmann are ROCK-SOLID. Both are alittle different in their approach and if I was to say, Jan is very-polite-stern and Bachmann is very-polite-stern and 95% in your face head-on. I still don’t hear from Romney why he wants to be president. Romney is an enigma…something isn’t right about how he presents himself. I just don’t know, for me, at this time. I will, however, vote for Romney if that is what has to happen..majority rules..!
Report Post »Steelhead
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:34amMitt or Newt? both will eventually lose don’t cha know.
Report Post »TEXASGRANNY73
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:25pmThink: v. give mental image to, imagine, consider. Know v. be aware of. Knowledge n. understanding (stand under). No, dont’cha know. Will know when the ballots are counted don’tcha know.
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:31pmSteel… no, I dont know that. I’m certainly holding out hope. Hope that MORE Americans want a better America than what Americans want to live on government dependence.
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:41pmPolls shows Mitt tied with or leading Obama in swing states. So whatcha be talkin bout?
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