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Romney Surrogate Sununu Says He Wishes Obama ‘Would Learn How to be an American’ — And Reuters Throws Out the Term ‘Birther’

Former New Hampshire Governor and leading Romney surrogate John Sununu on Tuesday accused the Obama campaign staff of being a “bunch of liars” and suggested during a morning conference call with reporters that President Barack Obama doesn’t understand how the U.S. economy works.

“The president clearly demonstrated that he has absolutely no idea how the economy functions,” said Sununu in reference to President Obama’s “If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that” speech.

“The men and women all over America who have worked hard to build these businesses, their businesses from the ground up is how our economy became the envy of the world — it is the American way.”

“I wish this president would learn how to be an American,” he added.

And with those 11 words, Sununu has just about every left-leaning blogger and journalist in the country up in arms. In fact, Reuters even suggests that the former governor waded into “birther” territory with his remarks.

“Obama has repeatedly sought to end speculation by many conservatives that he was not born in the United States and thus not legally able to serve as president,” Reuters reports.

“Romney has repeatedly tried to avoid the so-called ‘birther’ issue, and Sununu was quick to retreat from his statement,” the report adds.

He has since issued a clarification:

What I thought I said, but I guess I didn’t say, is that the president has to learn the American formula for creating business. The American formula for creating business is not to have government create business.

The American formula for creating business, that I wish he would get comfortable with, is to create a climate in which entrepreneurs can thrive. If I didn’t give all of that detail I apologize.

But even after explaining his “learn how to be an American” comments, many on the left still think Sununu went too far.

“The Romney campaign has officially gone off the deep end,” said Obama campaign spokeswoman Lis Smith. “The question is what else they’ll pull to avoid answering serious questions about Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital and investments in foreign tax havens and offshore accounts.”

“This meltdown and over-the-top rhetoric won’t make things better — it only calls attention to how desperate they are to change the conversation,” she added.

Of course, if we want to start talking about going off “the deep end,” perhaps the Obama campaign should do something about that whole “Hey, you know, Romney could totally be a felon” campaign it started last week.

UPDATE — After Sununu’s remarks, MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell asked former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty what he thought of the rhetoric coming out the Romney campaign.

Pawlenty responded by noting that not only did Sununu clarify his remarks, but that the former governor of New Hampshire has always been a little colorful:

UPDATE II — Sununu went on CNN’s “The Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer“ to explain what he meant by ”learn how to become an American”:

This story has been updated.

Comments (180)

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  • THX-1138
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:50pm

    Obama is a Marxist. That’s all that matters.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:57pm

      He is indeed,a vile Marxist POS.

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    • Too_Far_Gone
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:00pm

      And a criminal ..

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:04pm

      What does wishing he’d learn to be more like an American have to do with “birther”. The man attended many schools abroad and clearly has little familiarity with real down home American culture. I’ve commented on this for several years now, and I’m not even vaguely a “birther”. If I were born in North Carolina (and hey, I was) and then live 1/2+ of my childhood in an utterly alien culture outside these united States, I suspect I might not fully grasp a lot of fundamental things about America either when I returned.

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    • JRook
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:15pm

      This is exactly why most Republicans are full of it. They say they don’t agree with birthers, they don’t agree with those who call the PRESIDENT a Muslim, but they make comments like Sununu’s which feed into the Socialist, Marxist, Communist garbage. He’s anything but an American. Oh so real Americans use private equity to buy businesses, raid their pension plans, off shore the jobs, sell off the assets and then utilize bankruptcy laws to make undeserved profits. And real Americans move their money into offshore accounts so that they can exploit the tax laws and perhaps even hide money. You people can’t even be honest with yourselves. You really support an investment banker who’s friends brought down the US banking system and lied about the LIBOR rate. No doubt all honest, high integrity and men of great character. Or rather classic white collar crooks.

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    • WSI2
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:28pm

      I believe the term for Obama today is The Benedict Arnold of modern times.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:31pm

      @Rook

      Americans make money through capitalism, there is no sin in peaceful pursuit of profit. You’re not an “independent” as you claim, your remarks consistently show you to be a leftist.

      I hold by my example. I was also adamant that Bush Sr. was just another out of touch namby pamby New England effete snob even when he was trying to be Mr. Macho War Man. Politicians are people, and it’s clear sometimes when a person is out of his depth within a culture. Obama clearly has little connection to most of heartland America, and it shows in his every stump speech where his TelePrompTer gets switched off. That’s just how it is. “Birther” has nothing to do with it whatsoever.

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    • MAMMY_NUNN
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:45pm

      Learning to be a American is hard to do your best chance is to be born one first.

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    • MEANS2RESIST
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:56pm

      Comrade obama’s Government Motors becoming China Motors. This what he’ll do to all business if he get in again.

      DON’T MISS IT!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvl5Gan69Wo

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    • tmansc
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:02pm

      And a DUAL citizen at BEST and therefore not eligible to serve as president.

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    • jzs
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:20pm

      GHOST says, “Obama clearly has little connection to most of heartland America…”

      That’s your opinion. Here’s a poll that says the vast majority think President Obama is more in touch with the average American than Romney, by a 55% to 36% margin.
      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-20/obama-leads-in-poll-as-voters-view-romney-as-out-of-touch.html

      Not only that, but by an even larger margin people view President Obama as more competent to handle an alien invasion that Romney. No, I’m not joking.

      http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/06/poll-most-prefer-obama-to-deal-with–alien-invasion/1

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    • fastfacts
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:23pm

      FINALLY ROMNEY IS FIGHTING BACK, NOT JUST AGAINST OBAMA BUT LIBERALS AND LIBERALISM…

      Romney came out in Pennsylvania and killed Obama in his speech, check it out: http://www.thedailycandidate.com/video/2012/july/romney_responds_obama.html

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    • jblaze
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:25pm

      Reuters has really been crossing the, “I got my noise stuck up Pres. Obama’s butt” line a lot lately!

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    • momprayn
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:30pm

      ROOK and others who ignorantly say he is NOT a Marxst/Communist. Really? Where’s the proof?
      While you’re at it – why don’t you seek truth for once & face reality and look at the numerous sites out there that prove otherwise? It’s just that the left/media either are ignorant by choice, don’t want the truth – or they do but don’t want it to get out b/c they want that too.

      www,commieblaster.com
      http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html

      http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/hero-general-obama-following-castros-plan/?cat_orig=us

      And re the birther issue – latest news is they DO have probably cause to know that it was forged.
      http://www.wnd.com

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    • Light-Of-Truth
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:50pm

      jzs – Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:20pm an even larger margin people view President Obama as more competent to handle an alien invasion that Romney. No, I’m not joking.
      —————–

      That one is easy. Mitt would think the alien invasion is the return of the Superman / God from the planet KOLOB and would likely kneel down and worship. That is unless the Mormon President / Prophet tells him different?

      Hey O’s gotta go. I just wish we had another option. Someone who wouldnt so easily buy into an ever-evolving fairy tale and had enough danglers to stand up to O

      Ron Paul

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    • Gold Coin & Economic News
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:13pm

      Please, Sununu was being nice. Obama’s “You didn’t build that” statement proves who he really is.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiwap4MDFpg

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:21pm

      GHOST. LOL. A guy with an avatar/pic of the “Worlds Most Interesting Man” makes me chuckle every time I see it wrote….

      “I hold by my example. I was also adamant that Bush Sr. was just another out of touch namby pamby New England effete snob even when he was trying to be Mr. Macho War Man.”

      Knowing that you’re an “effete Ron Paul snob”, let‘s put Ron Paul’s personal “war-time decorations” up against Bush the Senior….

      Bush WWII:
      Distinguished Flying Cross.
      Air Medal with two gold stars in lieu of subsequent awards
      Presidential Unit Citation awarded USS San Jacinto (CVL-30)

      Ron Paul Viet Nam:
      None

      While George Bush Sr actively participated in war-time endeavors, Ron Paul searched out Air Guard job postings back in Texas to get his little REMF tush as far away from Viet Nam (as the war ramped up and never having stepped one foot in ‘Nam) as he possibly could. He finally took a job giving PE’s to helicopter pilots and whining about his country drafting his pacifist @ss.

      Just taking time to put things into perspective for you “Mister Interesting”…

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    • donh2
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:35pm

      Off the rails ? Obama is the inexperienced truck driver speeding 30,000 pounds of Bananas to a crash in Scranton PA,….the home town of Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and Senator Casey which is now bankrupt from Obama’s war on coal….and Romney acting like a winner taking the Reagan message to the coal region of PA…..> http://youtu.be/8NNwOScmSQk

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:45pm

      JZS,

      Your “Bilderbloomburgermeister” poll is just shy of a month old.

      Here is a more recent and credible poll of likely voters in Florida.

      http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/florida/election_2012_florida_president

      Now why would a majority of likely voters, vote for the candidate that they don’t like as much as your poll says they do?

      http://www.libertymind.com/index.php?page_id=264

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    • mrsuperpat
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 8:13pm

      And ineligible! He’s a fraud and everyone knows it and like to play games about it. The media knows it but continue the lie and the milk toast repubs know it but are a bunch of cowards. They would rather that he gets to illegally sit in the helm and wipe his arse with the constitution because they are paralyzed. Thanks everyone for helping O destroy this republic because you are weak.

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    • jzs
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 8:50pm

      Light-Of-Truth, you truly are the Light of Truth, and I’m only being about 50% sarcastic. It’s probably a surprise to many that liberals see the President as having gone far too far to the right on any legislation passed during administration. Personally I‘m surprised he’s gotten anything passed given the Republican obstructionism. Anything viewed as something Obama would like to see passed, even if it was their idea to start with, even they sponsored the bill, no Republican is going to vote for even if it’s a vote in favor of mothers and apple pie. Little suprise America has lost faith in Congress.

      And yes, many see Romney as too flaky and too far left (especially given his past statements). Both side would like alternatives. Sorry, there aren’t any.

      Here‘s what I don’t get about Romney though. Why does he need a car elevator? Anyone can tell you it takes initial cost, and less energy long term to move a person up or down than a car up or down. It’s depends on mass and size. Yet Romney’s new house has a car elevator. I found this helpful video, but I still don’t get it. In your home?

      http://video.forbes.com/fvn/lifestyle/car-elevator

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 10:34pm

      Hey JZS,

      Are you a physics professor or something?

      You don’t think people know that size and mass matters?

      So you want to know why, huh?

      First of all, it’s none of your business why?

      Why does Algore fly around in his own personal jet aeroplane when there are airports full of planes that will gladly take him where he wants to go. Same with Pelosi and the rest of the crew.

      Second reason……..because it can be done, that’s why.

      Do you own more than one pair of shoes? Why? There are people in South America that have no shoes at all. Is it right and moral for you to hoard those shoes for yourself when others have none?

      JZS, I have the feeling that if you and I were cavemen, and I presented you with my new invention called the wheel, you would scoff and say why,…..my feet are all that I need,……..and it looks to be nothing but a huge waste of all these precious rocks. What will become of the planet when all the rocks have been chiseled in to wheels.

      My answer to you would have been,……. “I will simply invent steel and rubber”

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    • Komponist-ZAH
      Posted on July 18, 2012 at 2:25am

      Billy—

      And then JZS would run to the wise Progressive Tribal Elders and say: “Billy make wicked round thing! Speak of ‘inventing’ more wicked things for self and not for tribe.” Then Elder Obama would stand up and proclaim: “All he make belong to tribe! Must be punished and wicked things taken for tribe!”

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on July 18, 2012 at 6:07pm

      @KOMPONIST-ZAH

      Thanks for that.

      That is the funniest thing I have seen in ages.

      I have not laughed so hard in long time.

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  • IMCHRISTIAN
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:42pm

    An American is one that loves to be an American, isn’t afraid to tell all how strong and caring America is to their real allies. An American is one that is not ashamed of wearing the American flag or showing the flag with pride. Obama was slamming us as individuals that we shouldn’t be proud of ourselves if we do something that helps the economy and it was done and started with an individual inventive thoughts. Some things are done with collective thoughts and some are not. God Bless America.

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    • quarando
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:28pm

      Obama said nothing of the sort. Where is the tape showing Obama saying people should be ashamed of doing something that helps the economy? You are either a manipulative liar yourself, or are being manipulated by a liar.

      I am no fan of Obama by any means, but the insanity and vile hatred that oozes from this site is disgusting and anti-Christian.

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  • jaycubed10
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:41pm

    Romney should release his taxes when Obama releases his college records.

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    • Hollywood
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:54pm

      One should never argue with a devil. Barry has noo college records. They are asking for the wrong info. Get his Madrassa school marks.

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    • Verceofreason
      Posted on July 18, 2012 at 12:42am

      Poor Mitt.
      How many years did the loopy Romney’s avoid ALL taxes through loopholes.
      What exactly is it he’s hiding if not that information?

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  • lylejk
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:40pm

    When over 70% of his youth was spent outside the U.S. and over 50% of his adulthood spent high on drugs, how do you learn to be an American now? Lost cause gov. Sununu. :)

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    • HKS
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:43pm

      That just could explain his warped views of America. Pitiful, just pitiful.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:58pm

      He lived in another country for four years, during which time he returned to Hawaii for a couple of months every summer. How is that 70% of anybody’s youth?

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    • lylejk
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:12pm

      I stand by my spiel. Leftest Hawaii should have been kept a territory like Guam or Puerto Rico. They are literally an island onto themselves and have more in common with Japan then the mainland. :)

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  • grayesun
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:37pm

    maybe Sununu should be considered for VP…he’s about the only articulate conservative delivering a coherent messages and showing some cajones as well…team Romney needs to step it up…hit Obama on his GE/Immelt connection and massive outsourcing, American Space program outsourced…provide clear concise sharp memorable messages – now.

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  • DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:37pm

    That is not what Sununu was trying to convey, what kind of extremists would suggest Obama was not born in this country?!?
    As Obama marched toward the presidency, a new suggestion emerged: That he was not eligible to serve.

    That theory first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.

    “Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,” asserted one chain email that surfaced on the urban legend site Snopes.com in April 2008.

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    • bumfuzeled
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:16pm

      Obama was not eligible to serve…….due to low I.Q. Even born in America, he and the FLOTUS are the most anti-American people I know. The Hollywood crowd is too.

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    • Altair
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:43pm

      Read “Law Of Nations,” 1776. Obama is not a natural born citizen. Article II, Section 1, US Constitution.

      Barack Hussein Obama is Exhibit “A” for the reason for that requirement . “America is nor exceptional.”

      “Your success is not due to you.” Distribute the wealth.”

      Obama did not grow up assuming his country was good, like most natural born Americans do. Obama loathes everything about this country… almost as much as I loathe anyone who voted for the illegal alien.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:34am

      ANY ONE ever find out WHY both BOTH Obama and Michelle were FORCED to give up their licenses to practice LAW in ILLINOIS??? in 90′s…both had law licenses, practicing (michelle was) then when Rezko came around..that whole dirty case… they give up their right to practice law. WHO does that?

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  • MignonMallon
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:35pm

    Keep “Tsunami-nu-nu” unleashed. He’s the best Romney spokesman out there. Let him rip!

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  • Lftcoaster
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:33pm

    The N&Oslashbama Tax and outsourcing attack team makes any Birther look like a genius.

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  • spookchaser
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:32pm

    I think Romney should show his business records when ObungleO shows real birth papers, school records that are locked and who payed for all this expensive tuition.
    Think that Dear Leader is very close to the Anti-Christ that is spoken of.
    Am sure some of the people will know the exact wording but doesn’t it say something about a person that appears and no one knows anything about them?

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  • RightUnite
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:31pm

    Good for him! I just wish more conservative’s would start popping these idiots heads like the zits they are!

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  • SREGN
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:26pm

    Keep talkin’ John. Make their heads pop off and fly around the room.

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    • gsp9993
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:32pm

      And burst into flames.

      Sack the Socialists.

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  • IOWAGIR
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:25pm

    how can anyone come to that conclusion in thinking that his statement meant he isn’t an American. Do they even understand the English language? Who is trying to distract the public from the economy. I could care less about Romney’s tax returns. I know he’s wealthy beyond my imagination. I say good for him. No do the same for our country. Obama, you have never brought home an honest paycheck. You have never had a real job. You are not a real American. Not in spirit and probably not by birth. Get out of Our House you traitor. If that hurts your feelings…go do a line. I wouldn’t doubt that your are still doing coke paid for by us.

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    • grayesun
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:46pm

      wealthy beyond my imagination…means almost as wealthy as John the fop gigolo Heinz Kerry…and a pauper compared to Soros…

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    • bleuze
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:42pm

      Excellent comment!

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  • USACommoner
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:23pm

    Man, this is gettin’ good. This next election will be epic.

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    • justangry
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:37pm

      Yeah. Top turd gets to hand the keys to the country over to the UN.

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:53pm

      “Yeah. Top turd gets to hand the keys to the country over to the UN.”

      The UN would last about a week once the American People declare war on it. And the Federal Traitors that arranged it.

      Personally, I can’t wait. We’ve needed to clean house for about a century…

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    • forthepeople
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:05pm

      THX-1138: Amen, can the UN…….and to think we pay for about 2/3 of that anti-American place !

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    • justangry
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:50pm

      That’s terrorist talk fellas! ;)

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  • Tri-ox
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:23pm

    Uh, from this comment no one with a brain would think that Sununu was intimating that obama was not born in the U.S. (even though there is no evidence that he was) – but, it’s not surprising that team obama is wacko-paranoid about the subject. Clearly Sununu was making reference to obama’s uninformed, deep-seated hatred of everything that is good about America and everything that has made OUR country great. Sadly, you can’t teach an old commie dog new tricks – obama and his cabal are not real Americans – they will never learn.

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  • chips1
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:21pm

    But, Obama isn’t an American. He is a muslim infiltrater. He belongs to one of his 57 states that are hidden by the liberals.

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  • AvengerK
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:21pm

    Let me see if I got this…obama‘s campaign staffer Stephanie Cutter suggests Romney may be a felon but it’s Romney‘s campaign that’s “gone off the deep end”? Seriously?

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  • Kankokage
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:20pm

    Somebody can be an American and have no idea what it means to be an American. Michael Moore comes to mind.

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  • jungle J
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:19pm

    the mentally ill shout the loudest at the sound of truth….truth exposes them and their mental illness…only the sane understand and we are few and far between.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:18pm

    You don’t need to explain yourself John, we all know what you mean. That guy is the most unamerican POTUS to ever darken the door of the White House. If this country is so blind as to elect him again, I suppose we deserve what we get.

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    • T-2
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:39pm

      why do you say he “darken” the door? you’re a racist.

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    • chips1
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:16pm

      Maybe he meant dorken.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:27pm

      That guy is the most unamerican POTUS to ever cast a shadow on the door of the White House.
      Happy?

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    • HKS
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:32pm

      I‘m old fashion and it’s always been darken and gay was happy.

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    • woodyl1011fl
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:12pm

      Even Obummer casts a shadow!!! And only liberals, morons, idiots, democrats cry racism and all of those terms are interchangeable..

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  • LittleMac
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:16pm

    The adult equivalent of “I know you are, but what am I?”

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    • Want our country back
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:34pm

      Saul Alinsky said say, “The Romney campaign has officially gone off the deep end,” said Obama campaign spokeswoman Lis Smith after news of Sununu’s comments broke.
      “The question is what else they’ll pull to avoid answering serious questions about Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital and investments in foreign tax havens and offshore accounts. This meltdown and over-the-top rhetoric won’t make things better- it only calls attention to how desperate they are to change the conversation,” she added.
      REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT but it isn’t true…. doesn’t matter

      Funny how YOU can work 24/7 building a successful business but you have no right to take credit for your success but obama can totally SCREW up this country, and all you hear is I,me,I,me,I,me,I,me. To quote Cory Booker, it’s ‘Nauseating’.

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  • MAULEMALL
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:16pm

    What happened to the days when you could call a spade a spade?

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:23pm

      It’s the “S word” now, the other is offensive.

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  • historyguy48
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:15pm

    Comrades of course Dear Leader isn’t an American! As a Communist he is a Citizen of the World first a communist second and a citizen of the US, a distant third!
    He is so far from being an American he might as well be a Martian. Come to think of it those Mars Invades guys did look a lot like him. Hummm

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  • Mutiny
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:15pm

    Both sides suck.

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    • justangry
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:21pm

      LOL. Yeah, but they don’t want to hear it.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:31pm

      You‘re not telling any of us anything we don’t already know. We just happen to believe one side sucks a bit less than the other…and with a few more election cycles replacing RINOs with Conservatives, we think we’ll suck a lot less. You could join the fight or just spend the rest of your life lamenting tha fact the R.P. never became POTUS. Your choice.

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    • antitheist
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:45pm

      Rinos? The so called tea partyers are the true rinos. It used to be that you didn’t have to be a right wing extremist to be a republican, but no, that all changed with the evangelical invasion of the republican party. I don’t support Ron Paul, but he is one of the few true republicans left, along with Gary Johnson. This country truly would be better of with the republican party of Barry Goldwater.

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    • justangry
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:52pm

      Yeah, we know, Gonzo.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:01pm

      Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are about as Republican as Dennis Kucinich. You have no idea what the heck a Republican is. Invasion of christians? You’re a dufus. You ever read a poll? The vast majority of Americans agree with the christian positon on just about every issue. You Libertarians whine about never being able to win an election and then try to blame us christians for it. It not for us genius, John Kerry would have been elected. WE carried Bush over the finish line. Let’s see, everywhere gay marriage has been left to the voters, it gets voted down by a large margin. EVEN on the Left Coast.

      Try again newbie. Believe it or not, politics has been around before Ron Paul ran for president. I’m tired of all these Johnny-Come-Lately libertarians thinking they know better than I do what conservatism is on what our party stands for.

      Goldwater lost because he was a social liberal! Reagan knew it.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:01pm

      The only one evangelizing on this board is you ANTITHEIST. You’re so fanatacal about your religion that you created a screenname for it.

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    • justangry
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:13pm

      @SquidVetOhio, I never blamed anything on Christians. And you‘re right Libertarians aren’t anything like todays GOP. They are much more conservative and much less progressive/authoritarian.

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    • antitheist
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:30pm

      Like I said, I don’t support Ron Paul, and I’m not a libertarian. I would simply prefer a libertarian republican party over a theocratic far right one. The tea party and its xtian ilk have made us the laughing stock of the rest of the 1st world, from “keep your government hands off my medicare!” mentality to injecting the psuedo science of creationism into science classrooms. How’s that Lochness monster as proof of creationism going for you?

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    • antitheist
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:36pm

      @ avenger

      A one second google search would have saved you from looking like a dimwit. After you’re done with that search, I suggest you look up the definition of proselytizing and of religion.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:37pm

      Look ya’ll…Gary Johnson is above 5% and hasnt even gotten started yet. The establishment in both parties are in for a rude awakening

      http://newmexico.watchdog.org/14809/gary-johnson-scores-at-5-3-nationally-against-obama-and-romney/

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    • antitheist
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:48pm

      @squid

      Maybe you didn’t read my post properly, but I mean christian invasion of the republican party not of America in general. You tea partyers have no idea what you’re saying when you say rino, saying so shows your ignorance of the republican party’s recent past. My father was a proud republican up to the late 80′s, but sadly the new found irrational religious extremism of the party forced him to register as independent. It isn’t long until the tea party implodes and goes back to being an extremist fringe on the corners of America.

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:03pm

      The original Libertarians were fiscally Conservative and socially Liberal (quasi-cons). They were too Liberal on social issues for the Republican Party and too Conservative on fiscal issues for the Democrats. They tried to split the difference.

      While many people by nature actually “lean” Libertarian, they didn’t support the party with votes. Foreign policy issues were/are always in the background.

      The newer breed of Rothbardian (Ron Paul) Libertarians are different. They are fiscally Conservative and vehement anti-war (isolationist and pacifist). Social issues are not agreed upon, but they usually lean very left. Paul is “personally” pro-life (but would kick abortion to the states = dead babies) while Gary Johnson is pro-choice (dead babies). Again, the newer Rothbardian/Ron Paul Libertarians are too Conservative for the Democrats fiscally and far to the left of most Republicans on foreign policy and most social issues (neo-Libs).

      They are trying to take over the Republican Party because their attempts to grow the Libertarian Party failed.

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:25pm

      Look ya’ll…Ron Paul was above 5% and couldn’t win a SINGLE state during the primaries, TWICE.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:39pm

      @time2
      Follow the constitution, which would require all the major issues of the day to be sent down to the state level?…Hell yes

      America too interventionist/imperialistic since WWI?…Hell yes

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:55pm

      @soy

      “America too interventionist/imperialistic since WWI?…Hell yes”

      How dare the US get involved in WWII, stopping the Soviet Union and going after the terrorist.

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    • justangry
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 8:08pm

      Time2, I guess I‘m fairly socially liberal by today’s standards. I don’t do anything myself, but if they aren‘t hurting me then I don’t really care one way or the other To me the a “the ends don’t justify the means” kind of deal. I don’t so much disagree with the ends, it’s the means that suck. It all starts with Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., and his dissents. It gave rise to..

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Constitution

      and moved us away from god’s law or natural law or our hummanity. Our rights come from man instead of a higher authority.

      Jefferson wrote.. “At the establishment of our constitutions, the judiciary bodies were supposed to be the most helpless and harmless members of the government. Experience, however, soon showed in what way they were to become the most dangerous; that the insufficiency of the means provided for their removal gave them a freehold and irresponsibility in office; that their decisions, seeming to concern individual suitors only, pass silent and unheeded by the public at large; that these decisions, nevertheless, become law by precedent, sapping, by little and little, the foundations of the constitution, and working its change by construction, before any one has perceived that that invisible and helpless worm has been busily employed in consuming its substance. In truth, man is not made to be trusted for life, if secured against all liability to account.”

      The courts have pushed us to a place I believe is ex

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    • Individualism
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 8:16pm

      Being an American, is putting your country and people first and only, not giving a crap about the rest of the world, spending tax dollars on tax payers giving them stuff or services, following constitution and not letting foreign countries and their people influence our country. Its about keep our culture and way of life pure. neither Romney the Mexican or Obama the Kenyan are interested in doing that. they need to be more American.

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 8:40pm

      JUST. If someone is not a moral being, how can he/she be expected to vote for moral government? Do you really think a vice-ridden person will be immoral in business, when raising children, and in most other things but then, magically somehow, have a moment of clarity at the polls? This is why John Adams warned, “Public virtue cannot exist in a nation without private [virtue] … ”

      Despite this, Libertarians tend to bristle at bold moral pronouncements that would encourage private virtue and the fear that should such sentiments take firm hold, they will be legislated and forestall the Libertarian utopia. But Libertarians have it precisely backwards. As Edmund Burke said…

      “Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites … Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 8:46pm

      Insofar as the Libertarian governmental ideal is even possible, it is dependent upon the upholding of morality, upon the “controlling power” of social codes. For not only do they help shape moral compasses, thereby increasing governance “from within,” insofar as that internal control is lacking, but the social pressure attending the codes serves to govern from without. And insofar as this social control is lacking, governmental control fills the vacuum. As freedom from morality waxes, freedom from legality wanes.

      Ultimately, the tragic consequence of the Libertarian mentality is that it guarantees the left’s victory in the battle for civilization. This is because, in Libertarians’ failure to fight for hearts and minds in the cultural realm, they cede it to leftists, who aren’t shy about advancing their “values.” And proof of this is in the social pudding. You see, if talk of establishing social codes and traditions sounds stifling, know that we haven’t dispensed with such things that is impossible. Rather, the left has succeeded in replacing our traditional variety with something called “political correctness,” which describes a set of codes powerful enough to control the jokes we make and words we use, get people hired or fired, and catapult a man to the Presidency based partially on the color of his skin.

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 8:49pm

      As for elections, political battles need to be fought, but they are the small picture. For if the culture is lost, what good is politics? People will vote in accordance with their worldview no matter what you do. Thus, he who shapes hearts and minds today wins political power tomorrow.

      The Libertarian chant ..["I don't care what you do, just lemme alone"] sounds very reasonable, indeed. But as hate-speech laws, forcing people to buy health insurance, and a thousand other nanny-state intrusions prove, when people become morally corrupt enough, they don’t leave you alone. They tyrannize you. A prerequisite for anything resembling Libertarian government is cast-iron morality in the people. And we should remember that, to echo Thomas Paine, “Virtue is not hereditary.”

      For this reason, neither is liberty. Scream “Live and let live!” loudly enough in the moral sphere, and in the hearts of men the Devil will live… and the republic will die.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:19pm

      there are different levels of government Time2. The question is which level of government is best suited for a particular issue. Thankfully, the Constitution provides all the answers we need and if you want to give the federal government additional power – just ammend the Constitution.

      All that posting you did and the simple response is….“There is more than one level of government”

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:54pm

      SOY. Actually… my comments weren‘t mean’t for you, any statement you made, or any question you may have asked. But you’re more than welcome to soak in the knowledge and common sense of those comments I made and pass them along to your friends and cohorts…

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 10:07pm

      I dont care who you were posting to – you needed to be corrected.

      Dont dodge the point

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    • justangry
      Posted on July 18, 2012 at 1:02am

      Time2, I agree with Soy about the amendment process. I typed a lengthy response, the moderators don’t like it when I talk about this stuff.

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  • RJJinGadsden
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:15pm

    It’s too late for 0bama to learn how to be an American. He’s a Chicago Hawaiian, isn’t he?

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    • chips1
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:24pm

      You forgot the hyphen. That means your racist.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:38pm

      Dang, slipped my mind. Thanks for that correction: Chicago-Hawaiian

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  • iac
    Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:13pm

    I agree with Sununu.
    While Oblamer is certainly a RED blooded American; he doesn’t know how to be, nor IMHO WANTS to be American!!

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