Ron Paul Backs Jerusalem as Location of Israeli Embassy
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Ron Paul’s dovish position on support for Israel has earned him much scorn from mainstream conservatives. Yet now, in a turn that will bewilder many of those people, Paul has announced support for a position that previously only Newt Gingrich had held on the Israeli state. That is, Paul believes the United States ought to move its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. And does it for completely consistent reasons, too. Here’s Paul:
“The real issue here is not what America wants, but what does Israel want,” Paul told evangelical leaders, according to a transcript of the meeting obtained by Business Insider. “If Israel wants their capital to be Jerusalem, then the United States should honor that.”
“How would we like it if some other nation said ‘We decided to recognize New York City as your capital instead, so we will build our embassy there?’” he added.
Even Paul’s senior campaign aides were surprised by his response.
“We were floored,” senior advisor Doug Wead told Business Insider. “It sounds like pure Ron Paul, but it still caught us off guard…If someone would have asked him that in a national debate, I suppose it would have popped right out, but nobody did!”
Paul’s position places him closer to the pro-Israel and further away from the pro-Palestinian camp than other observers had previously imagined. It certainly puts him at odds with President Obama’s own State department, which has previously refused to acknowledge that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.
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Comments (262)
Mutiny
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:27pmIt just goes to show how many uninformed people we have in the United States. When this thing collapses its going to be a lot worse than most think.
We should all go buy some extra food for the idiots with their heads in the sand and of course some extra bullets.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:32pmyea, the same people will be coming after our supplies
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:38pmTry to stay on topic,……..Doofus………..
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:51pmDont you understand Rational? I was on topic. Ron Paul has been written as crazy, loon, kook, dangerous and all the other names you tards can think of. The problem is one adjective you cannot label him with is WRONG! The guy has been right on practically every crisis we face to date and people like youself hate him for it. Keep letting Bill Oreilly and Mark Levin tell you who to vote for.
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 12:24amwell said.boohyah!
Report Post »maccow
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 2:33amI have never thought that Ron Paul was half as crazy as his supporters on this site. That just couldn’t be possible.
Report Post »The “head in the sand”, “wake up,“ and ”stop listening to XYZ tell you who to vote for” mantra is so tired.
Your candidate is not the answer to all the worlds problems and neither is anyone else’s. There is only one Messiah and Ron Paul, Obama, and Romnny, aren’t Him.
Rational Man
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 3:13amRaving lunatics………………..
Report Post »BS61
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 5:36am@Cause4Liberty – I’ll be voting for the non-Communist Romney instead of 8% Paul. I‘m willing to work for the rest of my life on getting rid of RINO’s. Ron Paul and his supporters seem to not be aware of the COMMUNIST in office and would rather not vote.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 6:24am@Madcow, We don’t think like you. We’re not looking for a mesiah. The only thing we are looking for is a politician whose diabolical scheme is to simply OBEY THE LAW!! Besides, I still find it hilarious when someone who believes half the world’s population is possessed by demons and three pretty teenage grils can excorcise those demons on reality TV calls normal people crazy. Fruit loop!
Report Post »lordjosh
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 7:00am@ Maccow. Why are we crazy? There is a reason why you people are comfortable with voting for a Santorom or Romney, because you like your government candy too. You like your social security diaper, don’t you? Turn a blind eye the gross actions of a police state because, “there terrorist out there and there scary”. Paul is not the messiah, no one is perfect. But comparing the other two Obama ringers to Dr. Paul is comparing apples to oranges. The apples are rotten.
Report Post »Romney cannot win. He is not meant to win. The establishment secured his nomination so that Obama would win. Santoriom and Gingrich stayed in the race to detract from Ron Paul. Are you people really so blind.
ThankBabyJesus
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 7:16amYup, isolationist Ron Paul has no problem thrashing conservatives and peace through strength whenever he feels the need. Attracts a lot of the tin foil crowd, people who want to end the western way of life, and the misinformed all wrapped up into a neat idea that is very unrealistic to the problems we ALL face. When you talks about the founding fathers there‘s no doubt he’s misinterpreting them. Especially when it comes to his lunacy in foreign affairs.
Report Post »Stuck_in_CA
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 7:42amFunny how Newt comes up with various policy changes and actual plans for solving the problems within government, then low and behold the other candidates pick up the ideas.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 8:51am@Stuck_in_CA Oh, I agree, that Gingrich is the best well spoken candidate out there, (a bit of a big mouth, if you ask me). However, let me assure you, it is Paul who since 2008 campaign brought up, as a candidate, issues such as privatizing SS, getting rid of the Department of Education, privatizing the TSA, auditing the Federal Reserve, lawfully going into nations were Osama ACTUALLY might be, stopping foreign aid to Israel’s enemies, stopping foreign aid as some appeasement deal, rejecting any federal gun registry, rejecting any national ID card, bringing troops home to secure our borders, warning of our dollar devaluation, warning of the ever growing federal powers, ETC. He was not the only candidate or politician that spoke about these issues, but he is the candidate, especially in 2008, that most brought them up, and was actually genuinely concerned about such issues, e.g. didn’t wait for the moderators or MSM to ask him about it. I clearly remember in 2008, Paul’s remarks regarding things such as the EPA, FDA, DOE, FED, SS, TSA, etc. being something seen as “extreme” or not mainstream by the MSM.
I must admit, Gingrich is the best spokesman for such issues, as his speech is very eloquent and straightforward, but he did not come up with these policy changes, nor was he the most vocal about them.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 9:28am@STUCK_ IN_CAL I always loved Newts speaking ability and what he said..however..his record of voting us a 50 billion dollar tax increase..his being behind the biggest federal land grab in history, they have another in the works spanning tens of millions of acres like the last..being behing the liberal federal DEPT of EDUCATION does not endear him to me..
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 9:35am@PAUL PATRIOTS.. It has come to my attention..thanks to WEST COAST that the rights to count the votes has been sold to a SOROS linked company based in Spain..I fear the election has been rigged..The votes will be counted in Spain. The Congress is not calling an investigation into it..and the MSM will not report it..someone said that it may be too close too elections to do anything about it..that is true as long as no one attempts to..The Paul Campaign knows about it..this is Michael Savage.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dmJtaOO2etc
Report Post »EndTheFedNOW
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 11:42amIf you hate Ron Paul, you hate liberty, small government, sound money, and freedom. So I hate you.
Report Post »maccow
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:23pm@Justangry, @Lordjosh, @Endthefednow
Report Post »Thank you all for proving my point.
I might have supported a Ron Paul candidate but for his zealot, tin foil hatted followers.
Followers of a cult of personality and blind rabid ideology have given us Obama. I don’t see any difference in the blind vitriolic hatred and intolerance for opposing opinion in the Obama worshipers then I do in the Ron Paul supporters.
The fact that Paul supporters, especially you JUSTANGRY, are militantly mean, nasty, arrogant, condescending, godless, anti-Semitic, conspiracy theorizing, nut cases, doesn’t endear me to your candidate of choice.
Ron Paul supporters are Candidate Paul’s worst enemies.
Boycott the Media Let the People Decide
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 2:05pmAhhhh poor poor MACCOW……can dish out the hatred but doesn’t like taking it…..
It‘s ok take your ball and go home while Ron Paul brings this country back to it’s founding principles and fixes its problems!
Report Post »Jefferson
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 2:32pm@STUCKinCA
Ron Paul’s position on National and individual SOVEREIGNTY has been consistent for a long time. That is why he is respected like he is.
Don’t try and compare him to Newt and the rest of the chameleons who change their political positions more than “Rational Man and Time2end” do in one of their homemade porn videos..
Newt is one who ripped off Ron Paul’s position on the Federal Reserve.
If you watch the 2008 debates you will see no mention of cutting spending and following the rule of law. Only Paul has been consistent through and through. The rest of them just pay lip service if they think it will buy them a few votes.
The difference between a politician and a prophet:
A politician stands on the hill, and watches which direction the crowd is moving. Once they see which direction they are going, they run out in front of the crowd and say “hey y’all, c’mon this way.”
A PROPHET stands on the hill and says, “HEY, y’all are going the WRONG way!”
Paul has been the ONLY one warning of the coming financial disaster. He predicted the 2008 bubble, when the others had no clue.
Report Post »Just because he is not a slick talker like Newt, doesn‘t mean he’s not qualified for the job. I can recall another “slick talker” that is destroying the rest of our founding principles as I type this.
EndTheFedNOW
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 4:17pmmaccow
Good. Stay the hell away from the revolution. If it gets you pissed that we are excited about sound money, small government, and a end to the military industerial complex and the Fed. Also cuts to the EPA and no income tax. Your damn right were gonna scream it as loud as we can. Were sick of the MSM and people who blindly follow the establishment.
Report Post »thetreyman
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 5:38pmwhat i dont understand is i thought he wanted to get rid of military bases, not just move them from one city to another.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 6:48pm@Madcow You’re a funny little nutter. I love you too, brother.
Report Post »GhostOfLiberty
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 6:57pm@everyone, Look, Ron Paul is the only viable candidate with a proven record of voting on laws by weighing them against the Constitution. He is a good Christian God fearing man who has the inspiration of the Holy Spirit as guidance. He knows what can and what can’t be fixed, which is why he focuses on what can be fixed. He doesn’t want to abandon Israel. He wants to cut ALL FORIEGN AID to every nation. Considering that the islmic countries around Israel get a lot more from us than Israel does, this would give them the major leg up that they need. He believes that our only business with the world should be trade, and not war.
Now, please tell me who else could take this country and turn it around and derail the train to marxistland? You know why the MSM actually ignores Paul? Because they can’t find anything to fault him on. If they can’t find anything to smear him with, the only thing they would do by giving him attention would be handing the election over to him without a fight.
Report Post »lordjosh
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 9:22pm@Maccow
My “tin foil hat” opinions come from over a decade of studying the constitution, federalist papers, the convention minutes, history of world politics and current affairs. Why? To counter argue my thick-headed liberal athiest father who I love dearly.
Report Post »You know Romney, Santorium, and Gingrich are phonies, you know they are liberal communist. It is evident in many years of statements, actions, votes etc.etc. You know they’ve flip-flpped all over the place when confronted on such things. You know that now that it looks all cleary for Romney, that his rhetoric is going to slide left. Yet…………………..?
RailRoadCar9
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 5:02am@ThankBabyJesus i think your on drugs as much as you cite others as being dumb and mis informed i would say anyone who bothers to spend 2 minutes investigating your charges would come to the conclusion your an idiot or a co intel pro kind of person your spreading dis info like nothing else Ron Paul is the modern Thomas Jefferson ESPECIALLY ON FOREIGN POLICE YOU TWIT
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 5:18am@BS61,
“I’ll be voting for the non-Communist Romney instead of 8% Paul.”
Romney, the NON-Communist? This video will make you second guess that.
See here.
Mitt Romney Open To Value Added Tax (VAT) !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsMIa6E_KUk
Romney is good at business, but it is PRECISELY BECAUSE he believes that government can be run like a business that makes him dangerous to the economy and liberty.
Romney’s Fascism would not only help cripple the economy further, but he would seem to discredit the free market for the Marxists who mistakenly blame it for our economic problems.
To the Marxists: To be sure, Fascism is essentially Socialism, in that it is a goernment-business partnership. BOTH the Fascists and Marxists believe in such partnerships, in one form or another.
But that is different than a free market, in which government stays out of the economy, there are no political favors, people are allowed to keep what they earn, and there is no fiat money that can inflate away the purchasing power of sound money (commodity money).
The Labor Theory of Value accounts for only half of a transaction, Marxists. Different people are going to value things differently based on their differing desires, skills, associations, resources, costs of production and transportation, etc.
YOUR labor accounts for YOUR costs and opportunities, but not for those of others.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 4:49pm“Ron Paul’s dovish position on support for Israel has earned him much scorn from mainstream conservatives. Yet now, in a turn that will bewilder many of those people, Paul has announced support for a position that previously only Newt Gingrich had held on the Israeli state.”
Just to be clear: Ron Paul isn’t a Dispensationalist, so he doesn’t see the nation of Israel as having a special relationship with the God of Abraham.
So, he’s not so much saying that he agrees that Jerusalem SHOULD be the capital of Israel, as he is saying that since we have no say in the matter; and since THEY say the capital should be Jerusalem, then by virtue of their national sovereignty the capital Israel is Jerusalem.
The land of Israel belongs to the Jews, so he’s wrong about that; but he‘s right that America doesn’t have a say in the matter.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:26pmTesting….
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:27pmRon who?
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:53pmWHAT… Ron Paul with a Foreign Policy… and it’s PRO ISRAEL? Did he just return… from a ReEducation Camp?
Report Post »db321
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 12:25amI was speechless after reading just the Headlines – Then LukerW came up with the best reasoning for the biggest Flip Flop of this entire political season.
Ron – you can get support from Drug addicts – with the legalized drug bit. But if you think for a minute that Conservative Christians are going to fall for your sudden Born Again Pro-Israel campaign promise – This I have some Hope and Change for you I would like to sell you!
I don’t know who is more Stupid – Fence walking Politicians or Voters that fall for this BS.
Report Post »resme
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 12:30am@db, Ron paul has had this same view since day one.
“Ron Paul would not stop Israel from defending her interests in any way she saw fit. When Israel attacked a nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981, almost the entire U.S. Congress voted to condemn the act. Ron Paul was one of the few dissenters: he voted against the condemnation and in favor of Israel’s right to self-determination.”
Report Post »inblack
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:09am@DB321
You really are a moron. Ron Paul doesn’t care what you pro-war haters think. He is saying what he has always said – for americans as well as foreigner. It is not for the US govt to tell others how to run their lives/countries.
He has always held this positions. He is not PRO-ISRAEL. He is PRO-SELF DETERMINATION.
Why should the US tell Israel where to put their capital? Why should the US tell Israel whether to go to war or not. They are a free country, they can do what the hell they want.
It’s the same position he has on motorcycle helmets and drugs. Why should the govt tell an adult what to do, they are adults and they can make their own decision and deal with their own consequences.
Why is that so hard for you dopes to understand?
Maximum Freedom and Minimum Government.
Report Post »Cause4Liberty
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:37am@db321. Have you fell off the rocker again? Perhaps too many of the trusty pharmaceuticals to curb your pain? Your ignorance on RP’s Foreign Policy is comical. FYI gramps, the ‘legalize it’ crowd arent the only ones supporting Paul. It doesnt matter if its legal or not, anyone can get any illegal drug, anywhere in this country. Get Over IT! You CLINCH to the same cliche attack about paul supporters being junkies, all the while being a blaze junkie yourself.
If anything were a flip-flopping, it would the sound of your brain pooting in your head. Hopefully, it was the poot that moved your awareness into a conservative position. Ron Pauls views are common sense, honorable, and promote Christian Values/Moral society from individual standpoints.
“Satan depises the truth, because deception is his professional practice.”
Report Post »Cause4Liberty
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:47am@the monk
RON PAUL!
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 3:18am@ The-Monk and db321
Just wind em up and watch em go crazy!………Pretty funny!…………
Report Post »mrdrawingguy
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 8:31amDB321…. Well, I’m a conservative Christian and Dr Paul will receive my vote. Whether he’s the nominee or not…… I’m with him to the very end.
Report Post »db321
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 4:59pmmrdrawingguy – DB321…. Well, I’m a conservative Christian and Dr. Paul will receive my vote. Whether he’s the nominee or not…… I’m with him to the very end.
Nice job for making my point in just a few Words Mr. Drawing Guy!
You confess to be a Christian and yet you fail to recognize the “Apple of Gods Eye – Israel” I am not a War lover and I am not in the Military, but if Israel is attacked by the World “as God said would happen” then I would willingly pick up arms and defend Israel myself.
You see, as a Christian – I don’t want to meet Jesus for the first time and have him reply – you confess to be a Christian, but I don’t know you!
God was very clear when he Warned – “What you do to Israel – I will do to you” Go ahead – turn you back on Israel and see if God does not turn his back on you.
Many Liberal Christians voted for Obama and will again – and when Obama said – that Israel should go back to 1967 Borders – Christian supporters of Obama cheered! God was not cheering. 1967 Borders would mean instant death to Israel – and Obama knew it.
If God’s word is true – and Israel is surrounded by enemies that want to take kill them – then our Border would be a Dangerous place to be. Good thing our Borders are safe – maybe God is Lying!
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 8:16pm@db321 I don’t think Paul is turning his back on Israel. I think people have misunderstood him, thanks to the MSM distortions.
Former Israeli Ambassador to the UN, Dore Gold, said, “Israel never asked the United States to risk the lives of American troops to defend it… We don’t want American troops or any other troops defending Israel. We want to fulfill the doctrine of the founder of Israel, David Ben-Gurion, of self-reliance– that Israel defends itself by itself. And what we ask for from the United States is diplomatic support so we can maintain that position.”
Paul states that “the surrounding Arab nations get seven times as much aid as Israel gets and also a recent study came out that showed that for every dollar you give to an Arab nation it prompts Israel to spend 1.4 dollars.”
Paul said, ” We have adopted a foreign policy that has left Israel surrounded by militaristic nations while undermining Israel’s sovereignty by demanding that its foreign and defense policies be essentially pre-approved in Washington. That is a bad deal for Israel, as sovereign nations must determine on their own what is a most appropriate national defense.”
Paul said, “We should be their friend and their trading partner. They are a democracy and we share many values with them. But we should not be their master. We should not dictate where their borders will be nor should we have veto power over their foreign policy”.
I’m a Christian, and I support Israel
Report Post »Puddle Duck
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 1:25amExcept for the fact that in 1973 if not for an emergency lift of ammo, parts, replacement gear of all types flown in by the USA Israel would have been overun by it’s enemies in less than a week. Israel relies on USA support on many levels, without it another attck like the one of 73 would finish it off….of course now that the Israelis have nukes (that they did not have back then) they might be forced to use them if the USA did cut off all support. At any rate when Israel says it requires no help they actually mean no US combat boots on the ground, logistiocs and material support are absolute needs however. There own defense industry cannot possibly supply them for any length of time. Full mobilization of the economy to a war footing would take way too long.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 9:57am@PuddleDuck I know what you mean. Paul has clearly stated that we should be trading with Israel, especially with arms and the such, and that we should keep sharing intel info, etc.
Report Post »Zuse
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:24pm“If Israel wants their capital to be Jerusalem, then the United States should honor that.”
Fair enough.
Report Post »ForOurFreedom
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:18pmAstonishing, no? That the man who has always said that every nation has the right to make any decision it wants regarding its own nation suddenly says that Israel has every right to make the decision regarding where it wants its capital to be within its own nation. However, he would also say that whatever happens as a result of said decision is something that that nation must deal with…not any other nation. National Sovereignty….the first step in the destruction of the U.N. and the only way to prevent some insane global governing order. Ron Paul 2012.
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:17pmThis doesn’t change my mind about Ron Paul. He is still a kook bc he doesn;t care if Iran has nuclear weapons. He should never and I mean neverrrrr be president of the Us. I like his economic knowledge though, but other than that…forget him.
Report Post »3monkeysmomma
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:25pmRon Paul knows the biggest threat to the US is our debt- not Iran.
No one need attack us. We are committing suicide.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:26pmits not that he doesnt care. he just doesnt think a pre-emptive war is worthwhile or will solve the problem(s) in that region. the question isnt a) can iran have nuke or b) no nuke for iran….there is a million things to consider, one of which is israel taking care of their own business.
its not a good idea to over-simplify things that we know very little about
Report Post »Taldren
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:37pmYou still don’t get it, it doesn’t matter what the President “wants” … that isn’t how our government works and for a so-called conservative it is shocking you don’t know that. The president only takes charge after the CONGRESS declares the war for the people. It is then the duty of the President to execute that declaration.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 2:37amPWATKINS, He has never said he did not care if they got a nuke, he has said that Iran getting a nuke would be bad. All he says is he understands why they would like to have a nuke. The media just twists his words. If you really want to know about Ron Paul and his supporters, go to ronpaul2012.com and dailypaul.com and learn. You act like we Paul supporters do not know what we are talking about when it comes to Paul’s real positions. We do know as we have researched him completely. He knows that the first and foremost duty of the federal government is national defense. We spend so many needless dollars in our military budget for needless overseas operations, like spending 1 billion dollars on an embassy in Iraq? We place our troops in bases that surround Iran at costs of billions of dollars, for what? Peace of mind or control of oil? We have our own oil resources here that are not being utilized because of government bureaucracy. Our biggest threat to our national security is our failing economy.and everyone knows that Pauls economic policy is the best for our country, it just happens to involve shutting down the military industrial complex that has helped to bankrupt us. It is not too late, but in another four yers, it will be.
Report Post »BS61
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 5:54am@West Coast Patriot – I only ask RP supporters to read and learn the history of Islam. To see that they have hated us for being non-muslims way before we were ‘occupying’ countries.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 9:06amPaul has never said he doesn’t care that Iran can get nukes or has nukes.
Paul said, ” We have adopted a foreign policy that has left Israel surrounded by militaristic nations while undermining Israel’s sovereignty by demanding that its foreign and defense policies be essentially pre-approved in Washington. That is a bad deal for Israel, as sovereign nations must determine on their own what is a most appropriate national defense.”
Paul was in Congress when Israel bombed Iraq’s Osirak nuclear plant in 1981 and was among a very few, unlike the United Nations and the Republican administration during that time, that defended its right to do so.
Paul in the NH debate said he doesn’t want Iran to have a nuke. Senator Rand Paul said of his dad, “[he] doesn’t want (Iran) to have nuclear weapons, he thinks it would be destabilizing for them to have them, but he thinks there needs to be a healthy debate in Congress about what our response should be.” Paul has repeatedly said that if we want war, we should declare it, fight it, win it, and come back home. No nation building.
James Madison said, “The power to declare war, including the power of judging the causes of war, is fully and exclusively vested in the legislature … the executive has no right, in any case, to decide the question, whether there is or is not cause for declaring war.”
Paul said, “I’d ask for a Declaration of War, and then it would be all out.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATmU
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 9:18am@BS61 Paul does not deny the threat radical Islam poses. If there’s a threat, an elected President should abide by the Constitution, and follow the rule of law. Paul wrote a constitutional Letter of Marque and Reprisal to go after Osama and his minions, like did Jefferson with the Barbary pirates. What concerns me is an ever growing federal Government that disregards the Constitution and ignores our Republican form of Government. I want us to go to war if another nation or group of people are a threat, but I don’t want Obama or Pelosi amassing huge amounts of federal power in order for some temporary security. I have confidence in our troops and patriots to protect and defend us, we’re the greatest military in the world. There is no need to empower liberals in congress with unprecedented powers to go after our enemies.
On June 1, 1812, President James Madison sent a message to the Congress recounting American grievances against Great Britain, though not specifically calling for a declaration of war. After Madison’s message, the House of Representatives deliberated for four days behind closed doors before voting (79 to 49) the first declaration of war, and the Senate agreed by 19 to 13. The conflict began formally on June 18, 1812, when Madison signed the measure into law. This was the first time that the United States had declared war on another nation, and the Congressional vote would prove to be the closest vote to declare war in American history.”
Report Post »hallkbrdz
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 11:03am@BS61 – Islam teaches a hate of all other religions. However, if they were to go after Christians, and wanted to attack the most vibrant Christian nation (their numbers are actually growing), that would not be the US, but South Korea.
Yet I never see anything about Iran attacking them? Why is that – surely they would be easier to attack being on the same continent, as well as not having as much ability to strike back.
Could it be that S. Korea didn’t overthrow their democratically elected leader in their sovereign nation, and replace him with a puppet Govt? Could it be they don’t spend any time talking about how they are going to attack them to keep them from having something many other unfriendly nations have – but instead just keep to themselves?
Think about it – does your argument really make sense – or are you just repeating what you have heard over and over?
Report Post »chewfatlip
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 9:59amYou know the old saying, Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:07pmHey! anyone remember Joe Vitale’ “lady on the rock” ???? http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4269213/statue_of_liberty_lady_on_the_rock/
Rock on Rebels!
Report Post »CharlieWalksonWater
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:03pmWrong time
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wRONg Paul
Paul
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:09pmHe’s “smokin” again…
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Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:53pmRon Paul is following the lead of who was the probably the most well rounded Conservative in the race for the nomination… Rick Santorum!
Finally… some common sense rubbed off on Ron Paul when he heard Rick Santorum had said the same thing earlier in the week.
The question is…. why is Ron Paul sucking up now with such a “positive” statement? Hmmmmm?
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:00pmwho knew it was such a burning campaign issue
debt, war, economy, constitution…pfffffft
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:05pm@TIME Do you remember when Bush would not give Israel permission to strike Iran when we were striking over there after 9/11? Ron Paul was with about 8 or nine other Congressmen to vote for Israel’s right to do so.. He also has always stood for Israel’s sovereignty but Time..check this out.. The rights to tabulate votes have been sold to a company in Spain connected to George Soros..the election is set.the media is mum on it..but the Canada Free Press is reporting it and the Free Republic and the Patriot site..
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Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:07pmWell SOY… seems to be important to Ron Paul right at this moment. Why would that be when there are (as you state) so many more burning campaign issues? Who is he trying to suck up to right at this very moment for him to state that?
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:18pmright. my point was that the media decided to take this little part instead of all the other huge issues he is talking about. He is not getting thousands of people at his events by talking about embassies.
keep the faith tho – you know it can move mountains. maybe someday ron paul will join the other guys and talk about how ‘out of touch’ obama is and you will have tingles going up your legs
Report Post »ForOurFreedom
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:28pmI think the better question would be…why is THAT the only thing that Christian Conservative Evangelicals want to ask him when we’re up to our eyeballs in debt, we’ve got NDAA now legal and on the books, I’ve got paper towels worth more than our dollar, the Fed is propping up a completely failing economy, and we’re on the verge of another housing crisis.
Report Post »I’m glad that the men leading the Evangelicals are more concerned with the health and safety of an Israeli citizen than they are with their own U.S. citizens.
American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:29pmThe question is, what is Santorum’s reasoning? More than likely based on biblical belief that Jerusalem is the holy land, etc etc….
Ron Paul’s reasoning is something I could have predicted myself. It’s something I can predict because he is consistent in his belief of national sovereignty. His reasoning is the same reasoning he has used for decades. Had Israel said “City so and so is what we consider the capital” would Santorum backed up Israel or would he have said “NO! But Jerusalem is the holy land!” ? Well, Ron Paul would have had the same answer he gave today.
To suggest he only made this decision because Santorum said it a few days ago is being disingenuous at best.
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Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:30pmASHES. Paul’s characterization of himself as the most pro-Israel candidate for President of the United States. In my view, there are two elements to being pro-Israel. Paul supports one of the two elements, self-determination for Israel. He supports self-determination because he supports an “America first” foreign policy which advocates removing all U.S. involvement in world affairs.
Mind you, this is the same foreign policy that allowed the Holocaust to begin and thrive… without the U.S. doing a thing to stop Hitler’s rise to power in Europe. We know how that turned out right ASHES?
A second key element of being pro-Israel is wanting Israel to continue to exist and to succeed. Paul has never once expressed his desire for the success of the state of Israel or for the Jewish people living there. In fact, the opposite is true based on his speech on the floor of the House of Representatives from 2009.
As far as Soros goes… he is a major player in Paul’s “Defense Plan.” Do some homework and check it out.
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:38pmTime, let’s go through an analogy. Let’s say that America is the federal government and that other countries are the people. Should America spoon feed these nations? Hold their hand? Pay for their defense?
Why do you believe in meddling in the affairs of other nations by the US Government but you don’t want the same US Government to meddle in your affairs?
What allowed the holocaust was that the people in Germany were blinded by nationalism and scared so much of evil boogymen that they allowed their Government to, militarily, expand and conquer. They allowed their government to expand their own version of the military industrial complex, every similar to what’s going on in our nation. If only more people had awoken to the horrors that their government was truly doing, maybe they could have prevented the rise of Hitler themselves.
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Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:40pmOh, and in 30 years, Paul did defend Israel one time… in 1981, when he voted against condemning Israel when it attacked an Iraqi nuclear plant. He defended Israel’s sovereignty, just as he defends sovereignty for Iran to develop nuclear weapons and for the Hamas led Gaza that oppresses citizens on the regular.
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Posted on April 14, 2012 at 12:04amRon Paul’s War on Israel | FrontPage Magazine: http://frontpagemag.com/2011/12/29/ron-paul%e2%80%99s-undeniable-war-on-israel/#.T4j2wGFetr4.twitter
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 12:05am@TIME Did you happen to check out the 2 links..one is a video link that I posted to Tea Bunny because the first one was a dead link..the second is the link I posted to you.. The elections are fixed..Obama is going back in..They were fixed the first time in 2008..but they got smarter this time and it will be done by a Spanish company with the Soros connection..Paul..Romney..no one has a chance..We really do have a dictator..so Soros can say all he wants about Paul..but Soros I believe works for the Federal Reserve which is owned by the Rothchilds..Think about it Time..Evelyn Rothchild is worth 500 trillion dollars. Our bickering doesn’t matter one bit.This is it for us.. These are the Rothchilds.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iILUYNI65w
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Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:02am“Mind you, this is the same foreign policy that allowed the Holocaust to begin and thrive… without the U.S. doing a thing to stop Hitler’s rise to power in Europe. We know how that turned out right ASHES?”
Sounds like you prefer a dictatorship that polices the world….maybe you should trying moving to Iran, China or Cuba.
In America we have freedom, we “defend” ourselves we don’t “offend” others in the name of policing the world. Our system of government was never set up that way as to do so as our founders were smart enough to realize that no country could sustain itself having such a costly military to become an empire. Along with all empires that have tried to police the world eventually collapse when trying so.
@ Time……You really need to start reading some history books, but first you need to actually research Ron Paul as you won‘t be so shocked in the future when things like this get brought out into the open that he’s been consistant on for 30 years, but totally contradict your months of baseless opinion bashing.
Report Post »inblack
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:19am@TIME You are so clueless.
Ron Paul has said over and over that he is pro-self determination. He has said over and over that we should NOT interfere in their decisions. That our interference, like telling them not to defend themselves until after the elections put Israel at risk.
As the dope who created an alias just to attack Ron Paul, you obviously know nothing about the guy.
His position has always been the same. Let people and other countries make their own decisions and deal with their own consequences. Stop meddling in the lives of the American people and stop meddling in the lives of other countries. Stop stealing the wealth of the american people and giving it away to other americans and foreign countries. Stop bullying americans and stop bullying other countries.
It’s so damn consistent that it is almost incomprehensible to the average smooth talking political hack.
Report Post »Isn’t it?
ashestoashes
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:29am@TIME.. I know you are an intelligent guy..okay? But you have to take a step back and realize a couple of things..I went to a link that you posted today of Louis Farrakhan giving a speech on the Federal Reserve and telling the people that Ron Paul had tried to bring attention to it..Farrakhan may be Islamic and black..but he isn’t wrong about the Federal Reserve..in fact..he presented an awesome speech to the fact..and as for George Soros linked to Ron Paul..Soros said to the I believe Canadian Free Press that Paul would be the only game changer..he was absolutely right..but Soros is the foot soldier for the Federal Reserve and the plan is not going to change..The people are the only ones carrying Ron Paul..Rothchilds own the press including Reuters and it is not going to happen. Just because the opposing side offers a truthful opinion..doesn’t make the opinion wrong. We need to learn to think outside the box..separate truth from fiction.no matter who says it..that way we don’t get continually led around by the nose. I like you Time..
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 2:58amI have to say that deep down I like Time 2. I have had fun bashing back and forth but it is TIME to look deep inside ourselves and come to an realization. I have talked many people, that say they like Paul except for his foreign policy, into really researching Paul by listening to his words, not the medias words, and almost all come to Pauls side once they know the truth. Once you really see his policies for what they really are instead of what the establishment propoganda tells you, you find another understanding of him. He is the epitome of what every freedom loving American has searched for in a candidate since I can remember. He tells the truth (even if the truth is bad) and not talking points. He is steadfast in following the rule of law that the Constitution sets out. He does not give into phony lobbying, He not only has the most fiscally sound policy than any other candidate, but is fiscally sound personally and as a congressman. He turns down the pension plan for congressmen just because he believes it is not right to charge the people for life. He was the only one to turn down secret service protection (he needed it the most) as he says he is a regular citizen himself and if he needs security he should pay for it himself. For all this, he is called crazy.
Report Post »mrdrawingguy
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 8:36amHis statement is consistent with everything he’s ever stated regarding Israel. It’s just more people are listening to him now. Ron Paul and brokered convention 2012!.. ;)
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Posted on April 14, 2012 at 9:26amGeeez. I get up in the morning and what do I SEE? The same Ron Paul infomercials all comin’ at me! Lol. Refer to the other comments I have made on this topic as I can‘t keep repeating myself all day long just to satisfy the ’peats and repeats I am reading.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 9:30am@ashestoashes That ‘Defense Plan’ also included CATO institute representatives. CATO was founded by the Koch brothers, the same brothers who sponsored Beck’s 9/11 rally, and who are funding Beck’s FreedomWorks website. According to TIME_2_LEARN_A_BIT_ABOUT_CONTEXT’s illogical conclusion, Beck and the Koch brothers are in some kind of pact with Soros also? LMAO! I’m starting to think his bias asinine references are really just delusional diatribes against someone he sees as a threat to his beloved McCain GOP establishment. Yeah, you keep smoking that yayo TIME_2_STOP_WATCHING_MSNBC.
CATO’s stated mission is “to increase the understanding of public policies based on the principles of limited government, free markets, individual liberty, and peace. The Institute will use the most effective means to originate, advocate, promote, and disseminate applicable policy proposals that create free, open, and civil societies in the United States and throughout the world.” That sure don’t sound like Soros to me.
Report Post »Taldren
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 11:35am@Time, >>Mind you, this is the same foreign policy that allowed the Holocaust to begin and thrive… without the U.S. doing a thing to stop Hitler’s rise to power in Europe. We know how that turned out right ASHES?<< The Allies did not know about the Holocaust until AFTER Germany was defeated. You speak as if it was something people knew about and ignored, which is a perversion of history. You may as well be a truther.
Report Post »EndTheFedNOW
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 11:44amHey TIME,
Paul has not followed the lead of ANYOTHER person in washington for 30 years. Hes not starting now. So you take your big government/big labor guy ricky and kill yourself. I hate you cause you cant even listen to other people. You love the government. You cant make your own decisions. Your a punk.
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Posted on April 14, 2012 at 11:55amTALDREN. Ron Paul would not have wanted the United States to enter WWII. Ron Paul has also stated that if he DID know what was going on with the extermination of Jews in Europe what would he have done?
He would have let someone else take care of that… or something to that effect. That’s the ideology of Paul and those like him. He, they would never step in to help anyone in distress outside of our borders.
Ron Paul is an Isolationist, a do NOTHING non-interventionalist, and most likely harbors anti-semitic feelings regadless of how he spins it.
And Ron Paul is closer to being a Truther than I could ever be…. which I’m not. He has pandered to them just like White Supremecists and anti-Semites.
Report Post »Taldren
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:10pm@Time, >>Ron Paul would not have wanted the United States to enter WWII. Ron Paul has also stated that if he DID know what was going on with the extermination of Jews in Europe what would he have done?<>And Ron Paul is closer to being a Truther than I could ever be…. which I’m not. He has pandered to them just like White Supremecists and anti-Semites.<<
Report Post »You flat out lie like a liberal … Ron Paul doesn't pander to those groups , but the liberty in which allows those groups to exist are supported by Paul. They support him, not the other way around. Their liberty is also our liberty regardless of how they choose to utilize it. An educated person would understand that.
Taldren
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:14pm@Time, >>Ron Paul would not have wanted the United States to enter WWII. Ron Paul has also stated that if he DID know what was going on with the extermination of Jews in Europe what would he have done?<< Ron Paul has said time and time again that all he requires is a Declaration of War from congress before going to War. It doesn't matter what the president wants to do, it isn't the presidents job to be pro or against war … it is the congresses. The Congress is the one that decides to go to war and the president is the one that executes that declaration. Anything less is subversion of the US Constitution and anti-American … like you.
Report Post »Boycott the Media Let the People Decide
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 2:11pm“Ron Paul would not have wanted the United States to enter WWII.”
At TIME: Please Please re-read the Constitution you continue to show your ignorance and I’m beginning to feel sorry for you.
It is NOT the President’s responsibility to WANT and begin ANY war, that RESPONSIBILITY is that of the CONGRESS acting on behalf of the people. The President’s RESPONSIBILITY is to carry out and execute the actions that CONGRESS approves…..They teach you this in third grade…..
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:46pm…and he would tear the HEXX out of the black panthers and their hate! He would shove the constitution so far up their axxes they would learn the words to God Bless America (soprano) quickly!
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Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:56pmBet you have one of them Ron Paul action figures…. dontcha’?
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:04pmTime to end plays with Barbie dolls and his Weiner…
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Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:14pmWhen I need to play with something BADOGGGY… I play with my CIB. But YOU wouldn’t know what THAT is would you Kernal?
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:20pmCombat Infantryman Badge …. and you still have trouble with the ladies, huh?
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:22pm..so why did I respond to you, you ask? well, because you sxck…so you don’t get the lady side…you get the Bxtch! (hugs and fishes!)
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:25pmoh…and I agree…its time 2 end the paul campaign in 12…with a win!
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Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:45pmTEABUNNY? Kinda’ wimpish sounding for someone who knows what a CIB is? But hey, lol, one can find pretty much anything when they do a web search eh?
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:49pmwell, your barbie was too busy to search (or too blond)
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 12:12amWhat merit is there in a CIB when the proud recipient is still a lying, immature, hateful troll who is obsessed with slandering a humble, civil, conservative Christian.
It doesn’t matter if you have the Congressional Medal of Honor – if you’re an arrogant jerk, your nothing more than an arrogant jerk.
I know some outstanding men who served honorably in Vietnam – they never brag about it.
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 12:19amMy hero. Thanks!
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Posted on April 14, 2012 at 8:51amCOUS. You wouldn’t know the first thing about what any Vet thinks, let alone a Viet Nam Vet. Ron Paul never brags about his Military Service does he? Of course he does. How many times on the stump has he mentioned his service in comparison to other candidates? Fact is… Ron Paul leaves out the most important parts… what he didn’t accomplish.
Ron Paul never earned a CIB because after he was drafted (which disgusts libertarians) he then sought out a REMF position within the Air Force (Air Force didn’t draft, the Army did). Ron Paul the “Viet Nam Vet” never stepped foot in Viet Nam either. Nobody is sure whether Ron Paul actually served as a “Flight Surgeon” because no photo of him in his Class-A or B uniform has him wearing any Service Ribbons OR a Flight Surgeon Badge. Where is his DD-214? The most accurate account that I have come up with from fellow Viet Nam Vets in the know, is that Ron Paul worked as an Ear, Nose and Throat Specialist and “filled” a Flight Surgeon position in Military Occupation Specialty designation only. I know a guy in Nam who had a specialty designation a mile long but spent more time in the latrine than any 500 troops combined.
Paul then, “searched out” another REMF position by becoming a part-timer in Texas giving PE’s to helicopter pilots in Texas. He was one of those twinkle-toes who grabbed your crotch and said *cough*… you pass!
If Ron Paul is going to tout his Service, then show us his DD-214, or STFU.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 9:42amTIME_2_TO_STOP_BEING_AN_ARROGANT_SELF_RIGHTEOUS_ABANDONED_DOG can’t seem to end his pathetic attack against a conservative American and Christian. I say someone is being a bit haughty for a lack of something else? Hm…
“Utilizing his physician’s training, Paul served in the United States Air Force as a flight surgeon for several years (1963-1965). While in the air force, Paul reached the rank of Captain. Directly after his service in the air force, Paul worked again as a flight surgeon for the United States Air National Guard (1965-1968). After serving the nation’s armed forces, Paul and his wife Carol moved to Texas, where they still reside.”
Paul’s statement of faith: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/statement-of-faith/
“I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate. It is God Who gave us life. As He is free, so are those He created in His image. Our rights to life and liberty are inalienable. I’m running for President of the United States because I believe that our traditions and way of life are under attack from an out-of-control federal government and reckless politicians who show no regard for what our Founders entrusted to our protection.”
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Posted on April 14, 2012 at 12:03pmCOLT. That basic Wiki description of Paul’s Service is as generic (and incomplete) as stating nothing more than Obama was a President of the United States and leaving it at that with no further in depth explaination.
C’mon COLT. The last thing any of Paul’s Military embellishing disciples should do is write about ANYTHING connected to the Military. The Military, Ron Paul and his anti-draft/ anti-war ideology was not a good fit… and it remains that way if you’re a deep and clear thinker who listens very, very closely. That takes most Paul supporters out of the equation right there.
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Posted on April 14, 2012 at 2:19pm@TIME….At least Ron Paul served this country and actually knows what sacrifices that takes to do so, which is far beyond your boy Frothy who can’t seem to find enough places to send our men and women quick enough to die in which he was too scared to do so himself…..that’s the true definition of a chickenhawk!
Oh, I forgot he was to busy supporting Arlen Spector for President and supporting the killing of unborn babies with the Pro-Choice Republican movement……
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 8:54pmTime_2,
I never claimed to know what any Vet thinks. What I was saying is that being a Vet doesn‘t automatically mean that you’re a good man.
Report Post »I think like an individualist, I assess people by the content of their individual characters. I have many friends and co-workers who are Vets (from the Vietnam War to the current wars in the Middle East). Some of them are outstanding people, some of them are jerks.
You seem to like to imply that your status as a Vet gives you some sort of automatic superiority over everyone else. All the while, you are blatantly obsessed with lying and slandering a very decent, humble, conservative Christian, and spewing childish, hate-filled insults at those who support him as a candidate. You constantly disgrace yourself on the Blaze while claiming to be a Christian and a Veteran.
soybomb315
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:45pmhas the ron paul media blackout been lifted? The article doesnt say anything about where it was or what event this was. It just says “Paul told evangelical leaders”.
Dont want to give the masses too much information
Report Post »3monkeysmomma
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:21pmThis whole article blows. ….and who are these dumbasses surprises by this?
Paul’s position has always been “Israel should do what it pleases. America should butt the heck out”
Report Post »…and frankly, I agree.
Boycott the Media Let the People Decide
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:07amIt was at a private meeting Paul had with the Evangelical leaders night before last that “were” backing Frothy. They contacted Paul because they are not content with backing Romney and wanted to back someone who is staying in til the end.
But you won’t find that information out from the media as they still have RP blackedout!
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 3:08amHere are a couple clips that show how bad the blackout is:
http://i.imgur.com/UvJTT.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BpL6eQyXDs&feature=youtu.be
Report Post »Jefferson
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:06pm@WEST
Report Post »That‘s a GREAT video that I hadn’t seen yet. The camera does not lie.
What a fluffed up farce the Romnhoid campaign is. Propped up by the corrupt MSM. Reminds me of the tight shots they did when Saddam’s statue was being pulled down to make it look like there was a larger crowd, when in essence it was just a few random people.
I hope the “evangelical” crowd comes to its senses. Wait till Santy endorses Romnhoid, and gets a bailout for his in debt campaign. If that doesn’t wake people up, I don’t know what will.
Teabunny
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:43pmI still pray this man runs a write in campaign!
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:46pmEven if he doesn‘t he will still be written in by your’s truly.
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:50pmfollow this link…find your state…see the requirements…http://writein2008.blogspot.com/ (for Illinois…he would need to register in each county)
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:52pmthen you need to check the electorates in your state, (electoral college) and see if they have to declare, or if they are ruled by popular vote.
Report Post »http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/laws.html
Flotilla Hunter
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 2:06amwrite I will!
Report Post »OlefromMN
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:37pmHe’ll vote no on the final resolution. He just likes to play both sides. Meanwhile his district will somehow miraculously get funding for some new pet project. Ron Paul is a master of the shell game.
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:45pmRon Paul does not play both sides. He’s by far the most consistent member of our legislature. Go back 20 years and he was saying the same stuff he’s saying now.
Nice try though.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:53pmDr Fugazi http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/ron-paul-on-earmarks-and-corporate-welfare-fact-checker-biography/2011/12/28/gIQAWjEaOP_blog.html
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:58pmOh, this tired argument again?
Yawn.
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Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:02pmAs a matter of fact… Ron Paul has always played both sides of the fence. That is why Ron Paul is a neo-lib/quasi-conservative. He can recite the Dem talking points of the day better than Howard Dean when he wants to.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:06pmRepublicorp hates the Constitution, Liberty and Freedom. He is a Neo Nazi…
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:35pmI love how you guys trash McCain as a liberal out of one side of your mouth and then support his very liberal views on earmarking out of the other side. I also love how you guys have no clue about the difference between earmarking and pork. Congress has a duty to earmark every dime that Washington spends. The reason that we send people to Washington is to represent and fight for our interests. If the federal government is going to take my money and money from my state, you’d better believe that i want my representatives fighting to bring some of that money back to my district. I would much rather have congress earmark that money than leave it up to the executive branch, which is what you guys are advocating. It is your mentality that allows for the president to use our tax payer dollars to fund HIS pet projects like Solyndra and the Muslim Brotherhood.
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:42pmTime, it’s sad that you believe that freedom is playing both sides of the fence. Freedom is popular, even to the liberals. Ron Paul advocates for freedom for everyone, regardless of party affiliation. That means he may sometimes seem to side with liberals when it comes to civil liberties. READ: LIBERTIES.
Is it so wrong to believe in civil liberties? Does that make someone a liberal just because they see the failed policy of the drug war?
The Constitution doesn’t just protect Republicans or just Conservatives. It protects everyone, even those you don’t agree with. That’s not playing both sides, that’s believing in the TRUE principles of freedom and liberty.
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Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:56pmSOLDIER. Conservatives should reject Ron Paul’s self-serving strain of Libertarianism based on Murray Rothbard racism and anti-war zeolotry. So as far as I’m concerned the left can have him. His mostly “fringe” beliefs which are masked with the descriptions of “freedom” and “liberty” are generally where the extreme right meets the extreme left. His particular message when looked at by “deep and clear- thinking” Conservatives is BS plain and simple.
Report Post »Boycott the Media Let the People Decide
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:14amIt’s people like Time as to why the “conservative” class is shrinking and people such as myself are leaving in droves…..if their philiosophy is “conservative” I want NO part of it……Eventually that following will die off and no one is replacing them as they don’t welcome new people and ideas under their tent….
Report Post »inblack
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:40amI’ve got to believe that if TIME_TO… and REPUBLICORP could actually read something more than AP and Reuters, that they could get their IQs over 50 and would be Ron Paul supporters.
Libertarians are not racists. Libertarians think racism like communism doesn’t work and is counter productive. That simple. If you don’t hire the smartest guy that makes you less productive and you suffer.
Ron Paul is called a racist because he doesn’t support welfare. He is called a racist because he believes in the real equal rights movement, the one that doesn’t hand out special rights to special groups. He is called a racist because he believes that an adult should be able to hire who they please and associate with who they please. He is for Maximum Freedom and the marxists and the progressives hate that. So don’t side with those social engineers and take up the race bating language – we see right through that.
As for Ron Paul being anti-war that is true. If you are pro-war you are an evil idiot. You chickhawks who want to send soldiers into war and get them killed, slaughter foreigners and spend my money just to make you feel like a man are not men at all.
When we are truly threatened and have to defend ourselves, then we will strike with overwhelming force, but not before, not “preemptively” but because we have no other choice. If you don‘t get that I’m glad you are the opposition.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 3:27amInBlack, Well said. Time_2 has one sole purpose in life, to hate Ron Paul. He is bias and blind and brings nothing to the table as far as ideas, just media rhetoric that nobody believes anymore as it is all lies. He does not know what being truthful means.
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 9:03amLEFTCOAST. My sole purpose on here…. is to provide fact and opinion as to what Ron Paul truly is… and in my opinion along with many, many others… he is a seditious, damn near treasonous anti-American who sides with our enemies more than he sides with America.
Ron Paul is just another version of radical subversive who rides the fringe crazy train of ideas and ideology with a just sprinkling of something that sounds good on the surface… but when looked at deeper is just as extreme as the rest of his Murray Rothbardian/Lew Rockwellian libertarian nonsense.
Report Post »Taldren
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 11:45am@Time, >>My sole purpose on here…. is to provide fact and opinion as to what Ron Paul truly is… and in my opinion along with many, many others… he is a seditious, damn near treasonous anti-American who sides with our enemies more than he sides with America.<< 1. If you are providing "opinion" then you need to drop the whole "truly is" part. It's what you think he is and nothing more. 2. I have a different definition of anti-American … that is of someone that subverts the Constitution of the United States of America. For example, anyone that pushes for War (or any military action) without a Declaration of War from the Congress is anti-American under my definition. You fall deeply into that category. The so-called War on Drugs is subversion of the constitution without an amendment … its funny that we understood that back in the 20's with prohibition, but are so weak willed now that we just let the government do whatever it wants and nod our head at whatever explanation they provide.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:48pmTime_2 You should listen to Taldren, he is right and I think I have called you a traitor to the Constitution in the past and I tell you now that I still stand by that remark. You know nothing about Paul, all you do is repeat what the Lame Stream Media says as you do not have a brain to think for yourself.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:29pmis this going to a be a repeat of 2007, when glenn beck falls in love with ron paul AFTER the primary is over?
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:38pmThat’s exactly what I was thinking.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:16pmI remember Glenn giving that passionate speech about us needing a Constitutionalist like Ron Paul..It was moving and passionate..only for him to turn on him a few days later..But when I heard his denouncement..it did not sound sincere..Like when someone’s family is broken in on by killers..and they answer the doorbell to the cops..and they try speaking in code to the cops..but satisfy the killers holding the family hostage..His heart was not in the denouncement..and it really didn’t degrade Ron Paul at all..but I felt he had turned into Benedict Arnold.. but maybe he had no choice.
Report Post »3monkeysmomma
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:23pmI really fell out of love with Beck when agreed with Paul on practically everything except foreign policy, and then backed Santorum whose budget was still going to add 4.5 trillion to the deficit and doesn’t give a rats butt that we are all becoming indenture servents of the Fed.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:29pmin 2007 i remember beck saying over and over “i am more ron paul than sarah palin”. he confirmed it as recently as 2010.
Report Post »Boycott the Media Let the People Decide
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:20amActually Beck “used to ” praise Ron Paul’s foreign policy too as seen here >>> http://youtu.be/SXUBDT75jyI
But just like everything else Beck’s principles changes based upon profits……I predict after this election Beck will try to co-opt the liberty movement just as he did the tea party.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 10:04amTIME_2_STOP_LYING is a dishonest man that only wants strife and not unity.
Paul’s statement of faith: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/statement-of-faith/
Report Post »broker0101
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:27pmFor those keeping score, Dr. Paul has exactly the same influence over such issues as the guy who scrubs my office toilets. You Paul-bots need to unite with the Beck-Bots and establish your own Utopia somewhere in Guyana. See ya.
Report Post »marine249
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:39pmyou said “SEE YA” does this mean you going
Report Post »back to the basement and staying there?????????????
broker0101
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:50pmWith a witless retort like that, I have a very hard time believing that you are a United States Marine.
Report Post »Just Me 2day
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:57pmWe may back Ron Pan and Gleen Beck, but if you’re backing Obummer the king, you’ll soon be the one scrubbing toilets.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:07pmBroker…back on your meds…You know how you get when you stand in the corner and eat your boogers…
Report Post »Amica
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:18pmWell, since “See Ya” usually implies some sort of parting, we’ll miss you broker.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:21pm@BROKER010 Aren’t you the guy when someone told of their son committing suicide..didn’t you say..so what did you do to him? That was you wasn’t it?
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:27pmA real shocker…please!!!…When was Ron Paul aggainst Israel?
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:26pmLook at the second paragraph of the quote…
“How would we like it if some other nation said ‘We decided to recognize New York City as your capital instead, so we will build our embassy there?’”
His reasoning is based on the golden rule. When in doubt, do unto others as you would have them do to you
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:26pmRon Paul has always been pro Israel and for her right to defend herself..Ron Paul is an American first. He doesn’t want us continually at war and if war is declared..for it to be a Congressional decision. and get in win and get out. However..we don’t have a Congress anymore..No one is up in arms about the rights to count the votes being sold to a company in Spain linked to George Soros.. There is no investigation into it..no outrage no media coverage…does that tell you who’s calling the shots yet..The Federal Reserve..owned by the 500 trillion dollar Rothchilds..We just think we will choose the next President. http://www.youtube.com/watchfeature=player_embedded&v=dmJtaOO2etc
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:32pmdead link!
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:37pm1987 Paul called Israel “an aggressive, national socialist state,“ and 1990 discussed the ”tens of thousands of well-placed friends of Israel in all countries who are willing to work for the Mossad in their area of expertise.” Of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, Paul said, “Whether it was a setup by the Israeli Mossad, as a Jewish friend of mine suspects, or was truly a retaliation by the Islamic fundamentalists, matters little.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:55pm@TEA BUNNY try again please.
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Teabunny
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 12:03ambingo! thanks!
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 12:06amwow…and why hillary said in Tunisia “when” he is reelected…and why that (was it Georgia) governor said why bother to have elections!!!
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 12:15amQuestion: why aren’t the republicans SCREAMING about this???? perhaps they are saving it for after the election? so the final Soros phase can implement? the contested vote…….
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 3:39amAshes, I have been posting about this and it seems, nobody cares. Nobody is replying to these posts. I cannot figure it out. Maybe they are thinking it is a wild conspiracy theory and do not pay attention? This is real folks and everyone should be angry enough to write your state and federal legislators over this. Her is another link that shows more into the company itself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRNORxmmVSc
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2835368/posts
Report Post »wordweaver
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:26pmHis position is totally consistent with his libertarian philosophy. That is precisely the position I would have expected him to take.
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:31pmagreed.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:36pmI actually thought it was his position.
Report Post »C-Delta Conductor
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:23pmHow can this be possible? Glenn Beck and David Horowitz told me that the Ron Paul was an anti-Semite because he wouldn‘t fight Israel’s wars for them. I’m shocked that anyone can possibly support the self-determination of a sovereign nation, AND not want to enter into entangling defense treaties with them. GASP!
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:56pmHow can this be? Glenn Beck and his fellow republicans have programmed me to think that Ron Paul hates the Jews…..Hates the jews…….hates the jews…….Ron Paul hates the jews…….Glenn Beck is always right…….right……right….Glenn Beck is a…… prophet…..malfunction…….malfunction…….error…..error……
Report Post »jbrote47
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:23pmTypical of the regime not to recognize what other people want. Look how they ignore all of us Americans.
Report Post »Master_and_Commander
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:21pmhe makes a good point. Its not about where WE want the capital, but where THEY want it.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:19pmJerusalem belongs to Israel, period.
Report Post »chazmo
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:18pm… And he’s right…
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:18pmOnly morons believe that Ron Paul is anti-Israel.
Report Post »jjohnson_n_oklahoma
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:31pmThat is the most ignorant statement I have every heard. Only Mormons believe that Ron Paul is anti Israel. First, what rock have you been living under for the last several years? Ron Paul believes that if Israel is attacked by Iran, who want nothing more than to blow Israel off the face of the earth, the U.S. should not get involved. Ron Paul has sided more with the Palestinians, than with Israel. Paul knows he is never going to get anywhere. Glenn Beck has said time and time again, he would support Paul, if not for his foreign policy. If Paul was to become president, he would allow Iran to get a nuke, terrorist to run rampant, and God only knows what else.
Report Post »So, please, if you want to drag someones religion into this, you better watch out. Cause, you religion may be a million times worse than someone just being a Mormon. Get educated, Please!!!
soybomb315
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:40pmi’m confused. do we have a moron/mormon/morman mix-up here???
what is the point of picking a religion title that so closely resembles “moron”. there are some things i will never understand
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:44pmI’m pretty sure that he said MORON.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:48pmbecause its friday and i dont want people getting upset….that was directed at jjohnson’s comment
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 12:00amlet me help you then, since you probably haven’t figured out google yet…a man named Moroni found the location of some cooper tablets with prophecies on them, as he was lead by an angel. these prophecies told of the 2nd coming of Christ. the tablets were abridged and translated by a historian named Mormon.
Now a moron…is someone who makes fun of people for their faith, or weight, or other characteristics that make each person individuals….instead of being Godly enough to realize that without the vast array of attributes and beliefs, you would have nothing to bxtch about except how dull it is you have nothing to bxtch about. (sigh)
Report Post »Boycott the Media Let the People Decide
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:33am@ JJohnson You really need to follow Beck more closely so you don’t sound foolsih, Beck does support Ron Paul’s foreign policy as shown here http://youtu.be/SXUBDT75jyI
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 3:49amJJohnson, Listen to the lame stream media much? You have no clue on what Ron Paul is about, but you come on here posting as if you know the guys every thought. He does not take any of the stances you say, you just repeat the medias bias propoganda they spew about him. If Isreal needed and asked for our help because they were in danger of being wiped off the map, Paul would ask Congress for a declaration, if the congress gave one, he would go over with everything we need to get the job done quickly instead of ten or more years. We just can’t have that as the military complex would not make so much money. He would follow the rule of law, which not many in Washington do anymore.
Report Post »jjohnson_n_oklahoma
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 12:25pmObviously, it is you guys that do not follow Glenn Beck closely. Beck has said time and time again, He would Support Ron Paul, if not for Ron’s foreign policy. So, who is the Moron? You Paul lovers get so upset f someone attacks this old prune. As for SOYBOMB315, you sound like the Moron. Someone’s religion should not be an issue, especially in this election. You guys are just crying, thumb sucking twits that ere upset because Romney beat the crap out of all the candidates. It is people like you that are dividing this country more and more. It is time to unite, and get behind the guy that is going to win in November. That guy is ROMNEY, NOT PAUL!!!!
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 12:33pmRomney will lose by 3-8% against Obama. He’s a moderate. We tried that with McCain already.
Latest Rasmussen report: Paul beats Obama,
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West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 1:53pmJJohnson, I used to be a huge Beck fan, DVR’d all his shows, subscribed to GBTV, the whole shot. Then he lost all credibility when he backed a big gov candidate in Santorum. Now what is he going to do? If he backs Romney, he loses any little tiny bit of credibility he ever had and I hope he loses all he gained.
Report Post »Boycott the Media Let the People Decide
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 2:23pm@JJOHNSON Are you deaf, blind or both. Did you watch the youtube clip I posted, obviously not because you are really sounding foolish right now arguing with facts.
AS BECK SAYS…….IT’S THEIR (HIS) OWN WORDS HOW CAN YOU ARGUE……
Report Post »Boycott the Media Let the People Decide
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 2:27pmAlso please change your name as you are portraying us in Oklahoma as misinformed. If YOU followed Beck closely you would know he switches his positions just as fast as Romney depending on what makes him a profit…..There are hours and hours of clips of Beck being on one side then couple months later switching.
Report Post »jjohnson_n_oklahoma
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 5:34pmWell sir, I will not change my name, for the real people in Oklahoma do know the facts. If you hate Back so much, why don’t you go to another news website, like the huffington post. Why, because you know Mr. Beck is correct about everything he has said. You need to look at the facts, profit is not everything to everyone. So, I will not argue with you about this anymore. Really feel sorry for people like you, for you are blinded by your own ignorance. As fat as Beck supporting Romney, you bet he does, as anyone who wants Obama out of the office. Good luck getting the news from CNN or FOX, because they are the ones that ONLY tell the news that PROFITS THEM!!
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 9:30am@JJ I know this is a day late..but my guess is you might return to this thread to get a grasp maybe..In your reply to Dr Nordo..let me clear something up for you..He didn‘t say that Mormons were the only ones not to support Ron Paul’s foreign policy..he said “Morons” You did not read it correctly..He did not attack Romney’s religion.. but thanks for the laughs Soy.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:17pmYea all you Paul haters thought Dr Paul did not respect Israel….
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therealconservative
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:37pmTAX TIME. Pay your taxes DEADBEAT, I’m sick and tired of paying for Parasites like you.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:42pmwow
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:02pmYou pay the IRS…I gave them all I am ever gonna give them SUCKER! Feed the Obama Big Government machine you fool!!!
Report Post »BTW when is theft by the Government legal anyway? hnmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:09pmBADDOGGY is living in Randy Weaver’s old house. They’ll NEVER find him there!!!
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:10pm@THEREALCONSERVATIVE..Really..how out of touch are you?
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 3:55amTheRealConservative? I bet you pay sooooo much in taxes. What did you have to pay? I like Pauls position, we should not have to pay an individual income tax, we should be able to spend our money the way we want to spend it, not how the government wants to spend it. Have you ever even listened to one of Pauls speeches? I doubt it. You cannot hear speeches when your head is buried in the sand to your A$$.
Report Post »waspanglosaxon
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 4:18amAnd what great company you’re standing with: Bill Maher, Sarah Silverman, Joy Behar, Louis CK…you sure must be proud. Lick, lick, lick.
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