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Ron Paul Defends Wikileaks and Julian Assange in House Floor Speech

One thing is for certain about Wikileaks and Julian Assange: there is not a consensus view on what to think about him and his release of secret documents. Traitor? Journalist? “New” whistleblower? Good? Bad? Messenger?

Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) seems to think the latter. In a speech on the House floor Thursday, Paul wondered aloud if the anger toward Assange mirrors “killing the messenger for bringing bad news.“ He then attacks the ”neo-conservatives in charge” who don’t want to lose a grip on the “empire” (an odd charge considering there aren’t any neo-cons currently in power).

He does, however, settle down and begin asking a series of important questions such as, how can the U.S. government charge an Australian citizen with treason for publishing information that he himself did not steal?

He ends his speech with more questions (via Mediaite):

Number 1: Do the America People deserve know the truth regarding the ongoing wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen?

Number 2: Could a larger question be how can an army private access so much secret information?

Number 3: Why is the hostility directed at Assange, the publisher, and not at our governments failure to protect classified information?

Number 4: Are we getting our moneys worth of the 80 Billion dollars per year spent on intelligence gathering?

Number 5: Which has resulted in the greatest number of deaths: lying us into war or Wikileaks revelations or the release of the Pentagon Papers?

Number 6: If Assange can be convicted of a crime for publishing information that he did not steal, what does this say about the future of the first amendment and the independence of the internet?

Number 7: Could it be that the real reason for the near universal attacks on Wikileaks is more about secretly maintaining a seriously flawed foreign policy of empire than it is about national security?

Number 8: Is there not a huge difference between releasing secret information to help the enemy in a time of declared war, which is treason, and the releasing of information to expose our government lies that promote secret wars, death and corruption?

Number 9: Was it not once considered patriotic to stand up to our government when it is wrong?

(H/T: Mediaite)

Comments (211)

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  • greycoat
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:50am

    I note the socialist sites and communist sites LOVE what Assange is doing. I also see “useful idiots’ like what Assange is doing. Assange hates this country and this is a terrorist act upon this country. A democracy will NOT survive if it can’t have confidential communications which have been stolen to inflict damage on this country. Anyone who defends Assange is a traitor to this country. Yes I hate the Obama regime, but I’m not going to side with enemies of this country just because I do hate this current regime.

    If I were the President, Assange would have been assassinated months ago. Anyone engaging in espionage and attacks on this country to destroy it are our enemies just as much as Obama and his Marxists are an enemy to this country. We have enemies both foreign and domestic and fools are applauding this foreign enemy, i.e. Assange and Wikileaks, are shortsighted and delusional.

    On this issue, Ron Paul is an old fool.

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    • txgrma
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 8:15am

      So, just disregard Ron Paul’s questions. Questions most Americans want answers to. I’d like to see any government come forward with the truth…especially our government. We‘ve been lied to so long it’s hard to grasp and believe what the truth really is. Most of what Assange revealed was declassified information the government never thought would be dug up. It’s the governments who are afraid of Assange, they don’t want the truth out for all to see. Ron Paul isn’t the fool.

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  • mtnclimberjim
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:47am

    The more I hear from this guy the more sense he’s making. Hey Blaze PC police , was that to harsh a comment? Just speaking my mind. If this offends someone, good, Merry Christmas and God bless. OOP’s that will most likely put me back in the Blaze dog house.

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  • Emrys
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:37am

    Wikileaks isn’t picking individual pieces of information to disseminate based on some holy cause; they’re throwing out thousands upon thousands of random government secrets to see what hurts America. This is not some idealist revealing government secrets to make American safer, better, or freer. It‘s about a punk nihilist who wants the world to burn so badly that he’ll just throw out whatever he can in order to create massive chaos.

    I don’t get the dilemna some have on here in deciding if this guy is a criminal or is doing a huge public service. I WANT my government to spy on other countries like China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran, and I do not want some guy and his website revealing all of the information gathered to the world. If the nuclear codes were in this stuff, Assange would just as soon reveal those as anything else he has tossed out willy-nilly, without regards to any consequences.

    Some people sound like no matter what he does or what he reveals, Assange is a saint being martyred for free speech. I guess if he gave away troop movements in a time of war that would be fine because it’s free speech? Give me a break.

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    • ETOOL USMC RECON
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:56am

      You are right on the money. We do and need to gather intel on our enemies and others that soon may be enemies.
      This whole thing seems a bit fishy……
      How does an Army Private have access to even a small percentage of these leaks? Even a Colonel would not have a “need to know” about most of this. This stuff just doesn’t get passed around the office….like some party joke.
      So I really think someone else leaked these things.
      And why hasn’t bin obama stopped this (we do have the ability to shut this down in a second)? Or is this another one of his and spooky dude’s way to destroy America from within???
      Make no mistake….the radical left “girls” want nothing more than to destroy our country.

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    • sailfished
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:57am

      You obviously posted your comment w/o listening to R.P.’s speech .Thank you public schools for cultivating such intelectualy honest minds

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    • richard the lion-hearted
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:20pm

      It’s all by design people, it is meant to bring about chaos and world distrust by the very people who say it’s wrong. The bigger picture is this: Do we want to let government use ‘the rule of law’ against us by not following it themselves and keeping us ‘in the dark’ about THEIR treasonous ways? Are some of you saying we can’t handle the truth? On the contrary for myself, I can’t handle the lies that ARE destroying our country, and those who would placate their sense of honor by simply saying it’s a crime. If most of you only realized how close we are to the edge of falling for good as a country then maybe, just maybe you might reconsider the information being released about our enemies, within and without. There is political correctness in following the law these days solely based on the law and not the facts of manipulation and lies that so-called leaders use daily, hiding behind the laws and having all the power to stop us from knowing truth. There is only one difference now that these communications are being released, now we will all have a little confirmation of the nature of corrupt world governments and what they’re doing before they actually accomplish their designs, of which we cannot in anyway stop because of wickedness in high places for far too long.

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    • isla
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 8:56pm

      Here, Here! Emrys. Absolutely, I concur. Assange has sought to harm the United States. It is inconsequential if he is a US Citizen, or not. He became privvy to information which knowingly had the capacity to do damage to an entire country, diminish our government’s ability to govern at home, and negotiate/trade/parlay abroad, in addition to a clear intent to do damage to other countries as well, and he distributed that illegally acquired information in a Conspiracy. It seems one should ultimately be able to consider INTENT. Obviously, it was to cause harm, exploit, and damage any and all possible entities be they personal, or an entire Country. His venue of choice is inconseqential, be it internet, mass mailings, or distribution via a megaphone.
      The issue is not the Freedom of the Internet, nor should it be.. It goes without saying that We believe in our civil rights to access any and all information printed and made public. (It has been made public. That is a done deal, and to question, forbid, or prohibit our access to it, should be considered a violation of our own civil liberties.)
      If we are able to see the “forest through the trees,” we will see that the only thing truly which should be at issue for the U.S. is, what violation/criminal prosecutable act has Assange committed and are we able to pursue justice.
      It seems to me that if someone, or an entity strives and commits himself to do real damage to my Country, I take issue with it, expect my elected officials to take issue and act upon it, (that individual or entity,) and fail to understand those who do not feel otherwise. Mr. Assange has sought to do that very thing, and I for one, will not aid him, conspire with him, or contribute in any way to his cause. If there is no International Law which prohibits unauthorized distribution of illegally obtained State Secrets, then I would suggest that now is the perfect time to get together and make a few.

      AT WHAT POINT DO WE STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER, REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL AFFILIATION, AND CONDEMN THOSE WHO WOULD ENDEAVOR TO CAUSE HARM TO OUR OWN COUNTRY?

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  • Tyson
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:30am

    He can be tried for espionge but not treason. The Private who “leaked” the info can only be tried for treason both by the way are punishable by death. I like Ron Paul, I have wrestled withthis for awhile now as to where to stand. On one side, if the information is damaging to the government because they have been lying to us, then why would we want to keep it a secret, for our own sakes, then onthe other hand will knowing actually change anything for the better. I am torn.

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    • El Paco
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:39am

      I don’t know… I think we should nail the dude who leaked the information… but I wouldn’t applaud the Assange dude since his main goal is to cause people to not trust the government whatsoever. It’s a catch 22 in one of the biggest senses of the word. I would agree with Ron… execpt for the expilicit motive of Assange. If he was like, “I wanted to do what was right”, I maybe more sympathetic to the cause…. but since he’s like, “I want chaos and revolution”…. I think it may not be good.

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  • fishlore
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:29am

    I don’t like what Assange did in any way shape or form. From my perspective however, this whole thing is being blown up in the news in order to bring about government intrusion into the freedom of the internet. Never let a good crisis go to waste the radicals always say. That‘s who we’re dealing with. What better time, with a nation practically begging for something to be done, than now to take over the internet.

    None of us need to like what Wikileaks is doing. All of us need to stand together and prevent government from taking over of the internet. We all need to remember that it was the government acting sleazy and being caught. We can’t defend that, but we can defend the internet.

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  • PatriotMN2005
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:23am

    Information cannot be stolen. Information is not property! If someone tells you a fact that you weren’t suppose to hear, how do you turn that stolen property?

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    • Livingwater
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:32am

      I like what you are saying.

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    • Whittymom
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:59am

      Thank you Patriotmn2005! They don’t want us to have the information in the first place! Shame on those who see this as a crime. Glad we have men like Ron Paul and now Rand in Washington DC.

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    • Libertarian
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:27pm

      Intellectual property rights are covered in two places Article 1 Section 8; “To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;” and the commerce clause regarding trademarks.
      Copy right and trade marks were not meant for government, but the protection of people’s inventions and writings – it was not in any way meant for government to prohibit the public eyes from seeing certain documents.
      As we know when we enable government to take an inch, they take a mile. Should the national government be allowed to keep any and all documents from public eyes? Is government becoming more or less transparent?
      It seems when we deal with or give consent to government, we should always deal in absolutes. Would we give cancer discretion? Then why would we give the cancer of government discretion?

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    • GuvGeek
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:30pm

      In a Democracy, government information ultimately belongs to the people!

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    • 123gone
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:14pm

      Patriot – If I read you correctly, There is no foul if someone were to hack your bank account and sell that data to anyone willing to pay for it, right?
      I mean, your private information is not your property, so anyone should have a right to use it as they see fit, right?
      Or instead of your bank account, how about love letters or dirty laundry printed in the local newspaper? – When do you say enough, that’s my personal business! …Is it then your property?

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    • MarketsClear
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:35pm

      You are protected under your right to privacy, not a property right to the information. And to acquire the information in any of your hypothetical cases, some form of trespass must occur. Nonscarce goods by nature cannot be property because there is no opportunity cost to reproduce.

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    • isla
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 8:07pm

      Information is very much “property.” See: Patents, Copyrights, Corporate Research and Development: The Law is clear about certain information as being indeed “Property,“ and very much of it ”Private Property.” (Ask any Pharmaceutical Manufacturer if his latest “Recipe” for a new biological drug is “property,” and what would take place if someone came a stole that information.)

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  • jmbogstad
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:20am

    OK, Ron Paul is in the House, not the Senate. Here is my opinion. Assange should leak everything that he has, and we should act on the information, but he should also be prosecuted for doing so. Sometimes doing the right thing comes with consequences, and this is one of those cases. If any of this info exposes corruption in government, this is a good thing. But he still must pay for the consequences of his actions. It’s really a fine line I know, but it must be walked. We want intel to remain secret when it needs to be and also exposed when it needs to be. What we are going through now, is a time where the intel needs to come to light. Governments all over the world are colluding to oppress the entire globe, and a certain amount of chaos must happen, in order for that to be stopped, without destroying the entire system.

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  • RightPolitically
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:17am

    After reading Ron Paul’s statement and more to the point, his several questions (that need answers), I’m ON BOARD with his point of view! Ron Paul has a strong sense of genuine righteousness. He is A TRUE PATRIOT for having the courage to stand up and speak FREELY!

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  • DaveOregon
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:17am

    There are plus‘s and minus’s to the Wikileaks document release. Did we all just clearly learn that our Leaders are pretty much dumbass#s? Yes. Did we learnt they continually lie to the American people? Yes. Some things they should lie about – at least to the media. The other issue is that proving without doubt to the rest of the World that our State Dept. and Executive Branch heads are dumbass$s does not not help us in our fight on terrorism or stopping China from hacking our computers, etc – becuae it erodes help from actual allies. Assange is a stooge to other, powerful players – same for the idiot PFC Manning. This is a very convaluted and tangled web with many players having an agenda – which one will win is unknown – I just hope it‘s the hawks that are trying to get tighter control over how intelligence is handled before really important information get’s spread across the Net that costs lives for our military men and women.

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  • isla
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:15am

    This is all about the Law. Assange knowingly redistributed stolen Property. (On the street, this is called “Fencing.) What recourse does a Corporation or entity have when someone conspires to knowingly redistribute stolen information (property)? What recourse is available if that entity is not a US Citizen? Everything else is just a Political proverbial Tempest in a Teapot.
    The Law is simple and concise.
    Now, unfortunately, this said Property is in a public venue and under our current Bill of Rights, we have the Liberty to view/read/use this information in any way we, (the People,) see fit. What is ludicrous is that Federal employees, and Law students, and students with federal funding are now being intimidated should they even read said property. That is a Civil Liberty issue and should be pursued as such by US Citizens who value their Freedom.

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    • GuvGeek
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:26pm

      In a Democracy, state secrets are the property of the people that are to be safeguarded by the government. The government should not use the trust to hide its wrong doing. In these cables is wrong doing that if another country was doing this the US government would take action, and has in the past. WikiLeaks is no different that a more traditional investigative paper. Under our Constitution he has every right to print this information. It was the job of the government to protect the lawfully classifiable portions of this information.

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    • isla
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 7:56pm

      Guvgeek,
      In Our Democracy, The Government is We The People, and the Government is acting on our behalf as our elected representatives, in whichever mode they deem fit, according to our permission to do so via our voting process. The is the “trust” inherant in our Constitutional structure. It is indeed “our” property, but we trust it to be safeguarded regardless of the unknown content, on behalf of our BEST INTERESTS–(by the people, for the people, of the people.)
      In the regard to Property, (i.e. Information, albeit classified,) there are inherent International protections similar to Copyright Law, which prohibit the theft and knowing redistribution of Information, (property,) illegally acquired, or legally acquired through and by a criminal act, (i.e. espionage.) Corporations deal with these issues all the time, and you can research Patent Laws, etc. to affirm this fact. Mr. Assange did no less than knowing distribute “property” which was acquired illegally and through auspicious, criminal behavior.
      The content of the “cables, missives,” is inconsequential. Whether they reveal wrongdoing on the part of our elected representatives or not, is for We the People to decide and prosecute same elected officials under US Law. Nevertheless, Mr. Assange’s act is a criminal act and should be dealt with separately under International Law applicable regarding Re-Distribution of Property illegally acquired.

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  • PatriotMN2005
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:14am

    Go Ron! I thought I was turning into some sort of evil treasonous b**ch for thinking these same things! How can Assange even be tried for treason against the US when he is not a US citizen? He has a whistle blower website and put out very important information that was given to him. How is that illegal??

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    • sailfished
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:42am

      That is what they want, the old shame ,sham and obfuscate . oh you listen to Ron Paul?, eyes roll ,snicker, They are truly fearful that R.P.’s message actually will start to be heard. Well ,I put them on notice. We are done with you and your kind and we pledge our sacred honor to remove you by any means necessary.

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  • JohnnyJT
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:12am

    I can‘t wait for the Wikileak of Obummer’s birth certificate.

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    • ronmorgen
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:07pm

      Or something to the effect of, “Let’s set up a left / Islamic world government”.

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  • Livingwater
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:07am

    I have wrestled with this issue for awhile now. The bottom line is Yes, it is stolen information and Yes it is top secret government informaiton. But i dont think the ends justify the means. I would love to eradicate the entire system and start with a clean slate. kick out all the crooked politicians, the lies, the deception that they feed to us. But it needs to be done with integrity and honor. Remember “the truth shall set you free”.

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    • sailfished
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:24am

      This is remarkable .After you ‘wrestle with’ with this you conclude that it is a good thing that your government has lied to us repeatedly in order to fullfill their crazy vision of a new world order? The people who killed Kennedy ,‘or their spawn’ still run this country , how about gulf of tonkin, operation northwoods, operation paper clip all the chm, bio exsp , how about w.m.d.s? how about 9-11 Arrrrrghh wake up stand up or get out of our way.

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    • Livingwater
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:31am

      Please re-read my post. There is a right way of doing things and a wrong way. So then in your mind the ends does justify the means. You are no better than they are . Stooping to their level is a stepdown. I am standing up.

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    • isla
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 9:39pm

      for sailfished:
      Our Government has not “lied to us repeatedly…kennedy, tonkin, etc.” It is not the Constitution/Government which commited any of these things. It is fallible human beings, who WE elected by choice of the majority via our democratic voting and electoral process. Our process is fallible– human beings are fallible, greed-filled, and otherwise ignorant as history attests, and corruption can and will find its way into any good and righteous endeavor. Our Constitution guarantees nothing more than a few basic rights and a bit of justice, equality, and fairness. No other government in the world gives its citizens the ABILITY, (not the guarantee,) to rise oneself up through classes through his own sheer determination hard work and will, and ability to achieve a status in keeping with his desires and abilities, abiding within a set of Laws that protect his endeavors and rights, as well as the rights of others.. That is all democracy is–nothing more, nothing less, with no guarantees of success or prosperity, or happiness to the individual.
      We vote, we hope for the best, realize that we have the best system in the free world, and we take our retribution for bad “stewards” (Representatives,) when we go to the polls next time. If you fail to serve us and earn your salary in a way which we deem reasonable, then “you are fired.” That is how the system works, and why the system has worked for 200 years, and fortunately, it assumes a certain part of maturity, responsibility, and espirit decorum on the part of its citizens. It has flaws but is the best that can be attained and has held up to the test of time.
      There are a few sayings: “Don’t shoot the messenger”, and “Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water”, that while trite to be sure, are definitely applicable when one considers the standards and designs of todays politicians. Don’t blame the system, don’t blame the Constitution and the Government–blame the individuals, and we ourselves–the voters, who have enabled and permitted such corruption to go unchecked within our representatives. It is very possible to “change the Guard without destroying the entire Castle.”

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  • sailfished
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:06am

    Why may I ask do I have to go to Media matters to watch Glen Beck declare that the revolution has begun? why is the common sense that Dr. Ron Paul represents so attacked? The author even tries to lead you to believe that their are no neocons presently in power? wake up people ,we are being played like a ping pong ball, we are being lied to, we are being fed bread and circuses while they destroy our childrens inheritance

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  • MrButcher
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:06am

    Ron Paul is wrong on Iraq. It was and still is justified.

    The Assange Situation is the newest “casue” to annex the Iraq war dissidents, 9/11 conspirators and globalists. What a great combination of idiots.

    The BS is chin deep on this.

    I don’t even know where to start.

    But Paul does make a good point about not being able to try an Australian on treason charges in a US court. But, conversely, the wikileaks supporters are trying to make this a first amendment issue. However, Australian citizens are not entitled to our first amendment. Both points nullify themselves with the same principle. But newspapers that print his organizations leaks can claim this based on the pentagon papers ruling. Dead end.

    There is nothing we can do about Wikileaks other than take it.

    I don‘t think they have anything that’s too damaging.

    The only “damage” it will cause is changing the way diplomats exchange cables with their superiors. Some information revolution, huh?

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    • Oldphoto678
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:44am

      “ Australian citizens are not entitled to our first amendment”.

      Heres my problem with that statment. I hear over, and over frorm the right that the government doesn’t give your rights. It’s your god that gives them to you. So are you saying that your god only gives those rights to Americans. Maybe it’s that American exceptionalism thing. Right wing code for American superiority.

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    • Oldphoto678
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:03pm

      ” Australian citizens are not entitled to our first amendment.”

      What? Wait a minute. I thought that these were your god given rights. So are you saying that your god only gives those rights to Americans?

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    • Hokiedad
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:13pm

      No, but a CIA ‘black ops’ action can certainly assure that this Australian citizen is never able to do it again. people do have accidents you know.

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    • whitaker
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:43pm

      “a CIA ‘black ops’ action can certainly assure that this Australian citizen is never able to do it again. people do have accidents you know.” The 3rd layer of goverment could do that to anyone they feel are dangerous. Beck is saying stuff dangerous so would it be ok for him to have an “accident”?
      BTW the 1st layer is the goverment we know, the 2nd is the one behind the curtain groups (beck talks about) The 3rd is the secret no rules groups.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:56pm

      @MrButcher

      **However, Australian citizens are not entitled to our first amendment. **

      Actually, rights are universal. “All men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights…”. All men (and women of course) have them, everywhere. Wherever you find a human being, he has all these rights, whether he lives in America or Belize or Nepal. The Bill of Rights was set up to *protect* the pre-existing rights as enumerated, not to give them out as privileges.

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:18pm

      you all just made an arguement for globalism and one world government.

      Care to reconsider before I shred your point?

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:40pm

      @Oldphotos

      You obviously aren’t familiar with me.

      The rights we have in this country are “given” to us by a man-made constitution. Yes, they are always threatened by gov’t and the religious.

      We are a country of laws that recognizes our laws and rights ONLY apply to its citizens. Some consider this a passe way of thinking, it may be, but as of now that’s how it works. Canadians are not Americans. Iranians do not have access to our legal system and our Constitution does not apply to Mexico. Just as the laws of those lands do not apply to us.

      God doesn‘t exsist so he can’t give anyone anything. But you perfectly illustrate the fallacy of those claim divine decree in the establishment of rights and their country. The logic breaks down very fast and you end up looking foolish.
      ———————-

      So, if we are to grant Assange protection under our constitution then there are no borders any more, “enemy combatants” must be tried in civilian courts and our constitution doesn’t matter at all. International Law is the only law. But what is international law? what about democracy? ha. Welcome to the New World Order.

      National Sovereignty is the issue at hand and the only nation under attack is the US. Good luck with taking out China. I think these boogers think that if they can “shut down” the US the others will follow. But that passe idea of national sovereignty still applies to China and Russia who still take it seriously and are all too willing to fill the vacuum and seize the positions vacated by the US. Good job at spreading tyranny.

      Cheers

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    • Hokiedad
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 5:59pm

      Mr. Butcher Your first mistake is your supposition that there is no God. From that point, our rights are given to all mankind, inalienable means they can’t be taken away because they are common to all men and do come from God. If they came from man they can be taken from man. My need to be free comes from God, not man. Secondly, The United States of America used to be a sovereign nation of laws that protected it’s CITIZENS from other citizens denying us our rights. that is no longer the case as our government has decided that we don’t need borders any longer and we should be a diverse enough country to be evrything to everybody, no matter what the cost to our own citizenry. I believe this Assange charachter has systematically set out to embarass, defame and ultimately destroy The United States of America. My country is not perfect but it is a damn site better abd more moral than any other regime or nation in human history. We are the moral compass of the world. When anything ever goes wrong, who does everybody call/ US!!. If not us, who? The Chinese? The Russians? Maybe the French will be there. I don’t really know about any of this 2nd tier and 3rd tier stuff that you speak about but I think this Assange guy is an enemy of my country and if he had an accident, I could care less.

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 8:41pm

      @hokie

      The need to be free comes from the innate! only the individual who demands it and fights for it can ever hope to aquire it!!!

      this basic idea WAS the founding of our country. please don’t sully this remarkable acheivement of humanity by attributing it to your imaginary friend.

      its very tacky and unseemly.

      and I won’t stand for it.

      cheers

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  • rockEy47
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:04am

    It seems to me that the founding fathers were big on free speech also.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:12am

      They weren’t so big on theft.

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    • PatriotMN2005
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:20am

      Its not theft Gonzo. Give it up.

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    • jdog777
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:30am

      Gonzo…. you will have to accuse every media outlet that has broke a story of theft with your mindset. Further.. the info released by wikileaks is not surprising… it is just solidifying the misinformation that we knew was already there.

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    • FUBARSNAFU
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:41am

      My concern is twofold: That the powers that be will use this to enforce their will on the internet, and that our national ability to collect any intelligence will be severely hampered. Who tells any secrets to the blabbermouth?

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    • whitaker
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:29pm

      “I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.” -Thomas Jefferson
      “There is a danger from all men. The only maxim of a free goverment ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.” -John Adams
      “It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.” -George Washington
      I would say yes, im sure i could find simular from the majority of them.

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    • richard the lion-hearted
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:08pm

      @whitaker – HERE, HERE!!! BEAUTIFUL WORDS!

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  • Its Gonna Getcha
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:03am

    Sometimes I just can’t keep up with all these a-holes running things, no matter what side they are on. There are some really good people out there watching this, who believe they can do better, and I hope they do.

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  • Heartbeat of America
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:03am

    Has anyone experienced any difficulty blogging or any online activities in the past couple of days?

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    • Max jones
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 5:38pm

      yes I have! My mom brought me a 30 pack of coors for my birthday.

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    • ronmorgen
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 7:12pm

      Max jones
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 4:44pm
      “As we allowed The Lord to be left out of our day to day public lives and we allowed secular humanism to be injected into our institutions, we lost and lost and lost…and today we have what we have.
      Our leaders have no moral or ethical backbone. We have expediency and we have compromise and political correctness: fertile ground for evil men to sow the spiritual weapons that are being wielded against the children of God in these times.”

      Amen,
      I believe we are in the end times Max. The time Paul talks about in 2 Thessalonians 2 when the anti-Christ is revealed. This portion of scripture speaks of everything you wrote about above including apostasy of the church, widespread wickedness, and delusion. We are in those times now, and those prophecies are being fulfilled, including the Anti-Christ.

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  • Proud American in Buffalo
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:02am

    This man will be the Chairmen of one of the more importiant Committees in Congress??

    Congressman Paul in my little piece of reality if a Company is given proprietary Information from another company anyone contected to the Company weither they ever physically handled said information or not, can be held personally responsible.

    Sir, I wonder if you are grounded somewhere other than the real world.

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    • stuckinthemiddlewithyou
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:42am

      But isn’t there more then just “two companies’ involved? The government, the PVC and Wiki. just asking

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    • ronmorgen
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:23pm

      Name me one thing released which threatens our security. All I’ve heard so far are lies by our corrupt state department. You know, the state department which is building mosques , and dispensing billions to fake Taliban leaders so they won’t hurt us.

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    • whitaker
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:24pm

      The goverment is not a private company. But if a company dose commit a crime that info should be sent to those who enforce the law, but when those that enforce the law commit crimes then you have to goto the public.

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  • Redrox
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:01am

    Ron Paul is the smartest guy in the senate imo, he doesn‘t care about being PC and if it wasn’t for him people would still be blind about the Fed. Yea Assange could drop the ange from his name, but the freedom of information will keep our government in check.

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    • jdog777
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:28am

      except he is in the HOUSE…. his son Rand Paul is a Senator.

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  • MozarkDawg
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:00am

    After what Glenn laid out for us the past two nights re: Assange and the chicks, the motivations on almost all sides, I’m wondering just what element it is that is gaining the most from this whole situation … and I don’t care for the end game in sight.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 10:55am

    Assange is distributing stolen property and profiting from it, how can anyone defend it? If it was stolen car stereos he would go to jail but, because it’s stolen information, it’s noble? Give me a break.

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    • sailfished
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:08am

      Right, only Assange is taking this info .to the bank, right. Is that all you got?

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:16am

      If you want to condone the theft of state secrets, go ahead. I‘m not going to do it just because I don’t like the guy in the White House. That’s “all I got” and it’s plenty for anyone who respects his country and the rule of law.

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    • PatriotMN2005
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:17am

      Information is not property! We have no thought police…yet.

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    • jdog777
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:27am

      When it comes to publishing information you receive…. We protect that speech under the first amendment under the freedom of speech and the freedom of the press. This is not like stealing a car. This is like publishing the truth in a world of lies. The only theft that has happened here… is the PVC stealing the information (and he should be prosecuted).

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:29am

      You’re wrong PatriotMN2005, that information was the property of the U.S. government and it was stolen. If you guys want to throw your support to theft of state secrets because of your dislike of Obama, you’re losing it. The country is bigger than Obama. How would you have felt if this had happened during the Reagan presidency with the Soviets on the other side of the Berlin wall?

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    • booger71
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:52am

      The theft is by this punk bradass87 and the insiders that helped him. They are the thieves, and should be prosecuted. Wikileaks just reported what was sent

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    • richard the lion-hearted
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:56am

      @Gonzo – Your flaw in thinking is firstly: You assume this is about Obama and not the entire political machine in Washington. NEWS FLASH: The republicans are just as corrupt!! Secondly: You think the ‘rule of law’ matters when the people in charge of protecting the constitution trample under their feet the very ‘rule of law’ and the guaranteed rights we have under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. By your thinking, we all obey the law while the leaders break it and hide behind it?!. These are LIES being revealed, if trouble happens because of them it‘s the LIARS faults no one else’s. Even though Assange‘s political ideology is flawed and he personally wants anarchy doesn’t alter the fact that world governments are conspiring against ‘THE PEOPLE’ and only the truth of light, bringing these things out of darkness, can restore what was once protected as sacred by patriots and freedom loving, honest people all over the world.

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    • ronmorgen
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:05pm

      I contend there is no such thing as stolen information, and I stand on my right to know as much as I can, or everything for that matter. An informed public is the only way a democracy will work well.

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    • Hokiedad
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:09pm

      This information he is “giving” out is private correspondence and negotiations between heads of state and state department liasons not lunch ordersbfrom Mc Donalds. How can our State Department ever be trusted again if we The United States of America can’t be trusted to keep private information just that…PRIVATE. This is really serious and the fact that an Army private had access to this sort of information without proper oversite speaks volumes about the current administration. Whichever side of the political fence you reside on, this should be of great concern and heads need to roll and I’m not seeing it. I’m still waiting to have confirmation about the missile launch off California from November 9th. That in my opinion is the most revealing nonstory of the year that nothing is forthcoming about. Who or what was that? Does anyone know for sure? Don’t worry though a new American Idol is coming soon!

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    • whitaker
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:16pm

      “State secrets” sounds like it comes from the Soviet Union. Our goverment is involved in some shady or even illegal actions. This is not about Obama directly it is about what is acceptable for our goverment and what does freedom of speech and press allow. Would you put the wistleblowers of Nixon in jail? Wikileaks is not doing this for the good of anyone, but our goverment is doing things good only for there empire. This whole situation is being used to control the media, internet and news.
      Liberal and Conservative need to realize were headed for goverment control. For those that dont know, Russias poor rose up aginst the goverment because they were offered everything those in power are offering now. What they got was total goverment control they were little more then slaves to the dictations of the goverment.

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    • Hokiedad
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:20pm

      @Richard What lies? from what i’ve seen most of what has been leaked is private emails and letters between government officials. If that was what was being released I wouldn’t have a problem with it but I believe the purpose is to destroy confidence in the privacy of intergovernmental discussions and that is a dangerous, dangerous path to go down. Our State Department needs trust and reputation to be able to function in our behalf.

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    • ME
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:30pm

      with richard the lion-hearted on this.

      We the People own that information not the government this is suppose to be a government of the people by the people for the people. if the government needs to lie to us it is no longer working for us but for it’s self. If we are not trying to kill Osama and practice catch and release with Taliban have we added one new prisoner to Gitmo???? what are you people smoking this is not for our safety or to bring the fight to the Terrorist anymore this is something else No blame to our great troops but its all smoke and mirrors and so is this wiki leak thing a few weeks ago a missile goes off 30 miles from our coast and we are worried about whether the government owns information that it collected on the behalf of those they hide it from?????

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    • ronmorgen
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:34pm

      What’s more important? Freedom of the press or confidence in our State department. We are in danger of losing both because of Wikileaks, but I would choose freedom of the press over just about anything. The last thing we should be advocating for is to shut him down. The best response is to let the chips fall, but tighten up the security of classified information.

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    • richard the lion-hearted
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:04pm

      @Hokiedad – You think that the government is entitled to the truth only? If these are only private communications then there will be no ‘egg on the face’ of these diplomats and politicians right? No harm, no foul. You destroy your stance on laws being broken by saying, ” …if that was what was being released I wouldn’t have a problem with it.” I would caution you to just wait a bit and actually see all that gets released first. Some communications HAVE already revealed hypocrisy by ‘Heads of States’, working against policies they themselves outwardly support. One more thing, we are constantly told by all the experts that there is NO SECURITY on the internet, NO SECURITY with electronic transactions, so why do governments even use emails for communication huh? Who are these idiots (or is this by design as well) who are supposedly the ‘best and brightest’ among us, representing us? Oh, they are the ones whom many will blindly follow right off the cliffs edge when it’s all said and done…

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    • Hokiedad
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:17pm

      @Richard. You make some really great points and i do actually agree with most of your positions. I believe that there must be a certain amount of confidential conversations between government officials that should be private and confidential. i also must admit that I am not 100% up to knowing all that was actually released. I must say that I am very skeptical about this whole story from top to bottom. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but I’ve been around long enough to question the undelying motives. I used to implicitly trust my government. I must admit that unfortunately that is no longer the case. As far as this story goes, I SMELL A RAT!! When I see the amount of support that this guy is getting from all the Progressive, Communists and such groups, I must admit I have certain trepidations about where I should stand. I never have a problem deciding where I stand on any issue, but on this one I have this wild hair on my neck that keeps standing up not matter how many times I comb it. Weird.

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    • docvet
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 3:00pm

      Gonzo, I have to agree with you. And for those who say that there is no such thing as stolen information, I hope your financial institution doesn’t send any “personal information” to you in the mail because if your account is empty tomorrow, remember there isn’t any such thing as stolen information.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 4:37pm

      How would you feel about it if things were the other way around? Imagine that an American had published documents embarrassing to the government of Sweden, or Great Britain or Australia. If they wanted to extradite him, would you want to see him sent off to be tried by a foreign government for divulging secrets he never promised to keep of a country he didn’t even live in? Or would you be defending his rights even if you disagreed with his motives?

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    • ozchambers
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 5:07pm

      ronmorgen
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:34pm

      “What’s more important? Freedom of the press or confidence in our State department. We are in danger of losing both because of Wikileaks, but I would choose freedom of the press over just about anything. The last thing we should be advocating for is to shut him down. The best response is to let the chips fall, but tighten up the security of classified information.”

      What he said.

      I have been smelling a rat with this story from the get go and its only getting worse. You watch, Wikileaks will begin releasing more and more info and eventually (so far, in my opinion, nothing truly damaging has been released.) he WILL release something truly dangerous and THEN Obama and Soros and every other red flag waving revolutionary will suddenly be so concerned with the safety of our great nation that drastic measures will be needed to prevent these kinds of sites from being able to exist. Don’t forget that Assange also released this information through other media outlets such as the networks and printed press. And the saddest thing of all will be that Obama will be able to say that he was responding to the demands of freedom-loving patriots as he begins strangling our freedom.

      one last thought: How much critical information about our conservative causes do you learn of through the internet?

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    • Rev. WC
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 6:07pm

      If you steal drugs from the Cartel and expose them is that illegal?

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  • Polwatcher
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 10:53am

    I’m with Ron Paul!!! If it is good to get internet media Wikileaks then it is good to get print media New York Times.

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  • Konservative PUNK
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 10:52am

    I like Ron Paul. I may not always agree with him, but he sees beyond the rhetoric and speaks his mind, a rarity among politicians.

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    • myfamily04
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:13am

      I agree with Ron…He does not beat around the bush…He keep the transparency (I think) He speak the truth…something that those in DC do not know how to do!!!

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    • FromtheBasement
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:25pm

      I’m sorry. I used to think Ron Paul had some pretty cool ideas, but this is ridiculous. I’ve now lost all respect I had for the man. Is her right that standing up to the government when it misbehaves is good? Yes. Is he right in say that’s all Wikileaks is doing? Absolutely not. The leaking of secret documents about foreign affairs during a time of war (did he forget we were fighting a war?) is nothing but an attack on America’s ability to fight that war. It put lives on the line and destroys America’s ability to come to a peaceful resolution. This has been, and will be more damaging to America’s cause than many people, like Ron Paul apparently, think it will.

      Is what Wikileaks did treason? Only on the part that fed them the information. Assange isn’t speaking out against HIS government. He’s speaking out against OURS. This isn’t treason, it’s foreign espionage.

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:31pm

      On the other hand, I don’t like Paul, and here’s why:

      Dude can be 100% right on so many little issues, but where he’s wrong, it’s always on the big ones. Like *this* one. I don’t want to go into a 30 minute rehash of the same thing I posted on another board the other day, but you can go read it:

      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mastercard-hit-hackers-strike-back-to-support-wikileaks-founder/

      This is a horriffic decision to back him. Assange is a cyber-terrorist, period, point blank.

      As to Paul’s questions:

      Number 1: Do the America People deserve know the truth regarding the ongoing wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen?

      Yes, to an extent. Remember, operational secrecy is one of the biggest kiey to winning any war.

      Number 2: Could a larger question be how can an army private access so much secret information?

      Yes, but I don’t think we want to know the answer to this one. Too many traiterous ppl at the top.

      Number 3: Why is the hostility directed at Assange, the publisher, and not at our governments failure to protect classified information?

      Great question! I’d like to know the answer, myself.

      Number 4: Are we getting our moneys worth of the 80 Billion dollars per year spent on intelligence gathering?

      A: As a praty of the Intel Field. I think so.

      Number 5: Which has resulted in the greatest number of deaths: lying us into war or Wikileaks revelations or the release of the Pentagon Papers?

      A: Last I checked, docs on Wikileaks proved the reasons for war were all valid. Tells me Paul hasn’t been looking at the site. I would say Pentagon papers, but I think that’s a toss-up. Nobody every died as a result of the release of the Pentagon Papers.

      Number 6: If Assange can be convicted of a crime for publishing information that he did not steal, what does this say about the future of the first amendment and the independence of the internet?

      Whatever it says, it was said by the Supreme Court, 30+ years ago in the Pentagon Papers case. There are limitations on the 1st Amendment. Leaking State secrets that can easily get people killed may just be one of them.

      Number 7: Could it be that the real reason for the near universal attacks on Wikileaks is more about secretly maintaining a seriously flawed foreign policy of empire than it is about national security?

      A: Yes, could be. Could it be that the reason for the attacks on Wikileaks are that they put lives in jeopardy and get a *LOT* of information better left secret (like locations of our nuclear silos) into the enemy’s hands?

      Number 8: Is there not a huge difference between releasing secret information to help the enemy in a time of declared war, which is treason, and the releasing of information to expose our government lies that promote secret wars, death and corruption?

      A: Red herring. In both cases, the documents are classified. It’s illegal to leak and publish the material, period. See Pentagon Papers case. That aside, the wikileaks releases have (for the most part) also verified all of the Bush Administration’s justifications for the war. At best this is a tie argument.

      Number 9: Was it not once considered patriotic to stand up to our government when it is wrong?

      A: Always, but is standing up to our government when it is wrong worth allowing our enemies to know exactly where to cripple us? Nuclear missile silos and communications hubs were leaked. Uh…. tha… that’s not good. Just sayin’.

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    • docvet
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 2:26pm

      @leftfighter – Good stuff, well thought out. But, whether Paul is right or wrong, there is a pretty good chance he just put a knife in the heart of his possible presidential campaign. There is a time to keep your mouth shut and your bowels open. This may be just one of those times.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 3:31pm

      @ Cyclone, you must be crazy. The U.S. dollar is not backed by anything other than the willingness of the public to say it has the printed value. In fact, the Fed prints a $100 dollar bill for pennies, then loans it to the people (banks, corporation, gov’t) at a rate fixed by the Fed itself.

      Did you follow that?
      They spend ~ $1 to make a $100 dollar bill
      You pay ~ $100 plus interest for that $100 dollar bill
      ***Result = ever decreasing value of a dollar due to inflation and a Federal reserve that makes money hand over fist. Even if they never recieve the principal amount on their loan ( say 50%) they make money ($49), off of a negligible investment.

      This is all acomplished through government secrecy. If it a technology is advanced enough to be kept secret then the company or individual who created it has the ability to keep it safe, however, if a governmental action needs to be kept secret then it is probably immoral or wrong and will undoubtedly end in a form of force or coercion. Even in war, the only time to keep a secret is when you are planning to use force on an enemy. I think the American people deserve to know every single horrible thing that the government has done on their behalf (for their own good) so that we may change our current path and actually be the America that we claim to be.

      BTW, we have no legal right or obligation to put a man on trial who did not commit a crime within our borders and is not a resident or citizen of the U.S. That would be like China charging an American with a crime for posting anti-communist comments on a Chinese website. Its appalling that so many of you really think that would be okay. And there is no way that a PFC would have all of the clearances and access to so much information without higher ranking help. I have yet to see his commanding officer on TV to explain the occurrence or how it could happen. Further, as a commanding officer it was his responsibilty to ensure that this could not happen. He could delegate the authority to get this done, but not his responsibility. He is the one that should ultimately be reprimanded for such an act.

      The preceding were the thoughts of a USMC veteran.

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    • AmericanSoldier
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 5:00pm

      I bet if Wikileaks came out with classified documents showing that President Obama is completely not eligible to be POTUS, that the Federal Reserve admits to maliciously stealing all of America’s wealth and that George Soros admits to all his secret plans and is the puppet master to the Obama administration, you’d give this guy an award and raise him up on your shoulders. Hypocrisy at it’s best.

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    • himesa
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 7:25pm

      I like Ron Paul also. I’m not LIbertian…yet….but getting awfully close. I abhore what Asanage did – totally wrong…..let‘s hope it makes them clean up their act and get back to what they’re supposedly elected / appointed to do. Protect us…..but NOT at the destruction of moral ethics and values.

      And faulty information started the war based on a watered down CIA and Intelligence gathering organizations because a Democrat (yep – ole BILL himself) robbed them of their ability to check things out. That’s why we had to rely on British Intelligence rather than our own…….so…..do ya thikn the British “lied” to us on purpose? That it was a conspiracy to get us to do what they would not do and that is attack Iraq and destroy Saddam? I don’t know – I’im not an analyst…..but awfully interesting

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  • Konservative PUNK
    Posted on December 10, 2010 at 10:51am

    Sites like Wikileaks may be the last hope of Conservative talk once the FCC clamps down. This guy is a weasel but he may be onto something. If the government can’t shut him down, He gives hope to those of us who may need to adopt his tactics in order to get our message out.

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    • snowleopard3200 {mix art}
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:00am

      I agree with this man, and for me to agree with any politician is a rarity; we need to look with logic at what is going on, and why. If Assange or others have commited criminal offenses then bring them to justice and let the charges be either proven or cleared. If guilty, then sentence him accordingly.

      Public opinion can sway legal matters all too easily, just remember a few years ago a zealous DA charged three college kids for a rape that never happened, ruined their reputations forever, and then still has the audacity to claim their guilt even after it was found out he ordered the examination labs to falsify the data he needed to convict them.

      http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm

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    • snowleopard3200 {mix art}
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:04am

      I keep hearing on the radio yesterday and this morning about the hack attacks going on by the supporters of Assange and wikileaks; this to me looks like a low intensity cyber war currently going on, and I have to wonder if the FCC or the HSA via the administration will use it as another excuse to demand the crackdown on the internet for ‘national security reasons.’

      Expect it at any time; especially with the administrations normal delivery of ‘Christmas suprises.’

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    • PatriotMN2005
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:16am

      I agree. The fed will just use this as an excuse to control our internet. “There’s too much information out there…” as Obama puts it.

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    • NickDeringer
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:29am

      Ron Paul is a racist isolationist. But other than that he’s a disaster looking for a place to happen.

      Wake up, people….

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    • ClassicalLiberal
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:35am

      Good for Ron Paul. There is no stopping it either way.

      For all the control of media leftist hacks.

      “When one makes a Revolution, one cannot mark time; one must always go forward – or go back. He who now talks about the “freedom of the press” goes backward, and halts our headlong course towards Socialism.” -Vladimir Lenin

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    • mendolover
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:47am

      I would say that Dr. Paul is more a statesman than a politician. And a courageous one at that.

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    • Uncle Sambo
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:48am

      Ron Paul is a tired old man that is leading you all to the path of damnation. You must place all of your faith into the state. For it is only the state that can lead you unto the path of collective salvation. Listen and pay heed to the council of the wise ones. Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nanny Pelosi will lead unto the path of enlightenment and all you have to do is worship the state.

      Just remember the commandments.

      #1 You shall have no other god before thy state.

      #2 You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For thy state is your god, and it’s a jealous god, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate it, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love thy state, thy appointed rulers,and keep its decrees.

      #3 You shall not take the name of the state your god in vain, for the state will not hold him guiltless who takes its name in vain.

       
    • NoDaDAZone
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:56am

      “Dada means Progressive. They are communists, socialists and anarchists. They build nothing. They destroy. They want to kill God and Liberty and Art. They want to rule the world. They are not fit to live on this earth God made”–(Salvador Dali as related to Marc Rubin in 1974)

      THE DADA MANIFESTO IS THE WIKILEAKS OF THE LEFT

      Know that the Dada Manifesto is their talking points and has seeped into their brains as a mental disorder From Dada Manifesto: .”Logic is a complication, The truth is always false…We throw heaven‘s hand into hell and hell’s hand to heaven…after the carnage we are left with the hope of a purified humanity”

      After the Carnage of WW1 in Europe, Communist-Socialist-Anarchist thugs didn’t get much juice for their politic until they merged and adopted with the Dada Ant-Art movement and got the talking points and strategy to attack civilization

      This video, by artist Marc Rubin, explains how they have worked people for 100 years: http://www.marcrubin.com/dada2.ivnu . Read the Dada Manifesto on the Dada Home Page Link” You will see DADA is everywhere, but we can win with ridicule, knowledge and Art which unites us.

      THE META-FACTS OF HISTORY SINCE 3000 BCE is the Progressive “framework”. See how it emerged as a consequence of natural disaster and caused the first wars of civilization.Listen: Israel National Radio interview of artist Marc Rubin at http://www.marcrubin.com/judean-

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    • Hokiedad
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:57am

      I’m really not quite sure who or what this guy is to be honest. That in itself is quite telling. All I know is who is backing this guy and his ‘freedom” to do what he’s done. All the left wing nut jobs out there are backing him 100%. That to me says it all! I can usually tell which side of an issue to be on by who’s on what side. As the immortal Sergeant York once said…’ If they (the commies) be fer it, then I’m agin it.”

       
    • NickDeringer
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:08pm

      @Hokiedad

      Trust your instincts. You are right.

      The guys over at Powerline have described Ron Paul as a “very bad man.” He used to publish a magazine/newsletter that viciously attacked MLK and gay people.

      Libertarianism is at the fringe of the political spectrum and Ron Paul is one of the reasons why. Paul has much more in common with anarchists than conservatives.

      NickDeringer  
    • Konservative PUNK
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:15pm

      Anarchists have more in common with Conservatives than with Socialists, although Socialists will use Anarchy to achieve Socialism.
      Anarchy = No Government
      Conservatism = Limited/Small Government
      Socialism = Masive/All Powerful Government

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    • Sinista Mace
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:15pm

      Ron Paul is awesome.

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    • american1st
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:28pm

      assange blew it… if he had hired some lawyers and sifted through the leaks for wrongdoings and injustices and only published those he would have started a new age in journalism/whistle-blowing and been a international hero,
      but he had to be the progressive activist/anarchist a**hole, and when he published everything he committed espionage. if they can make the case and charge him for it they should…

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    • BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:32pm

      Like many, I too do not know just what to think about Wikileaks. However, my position is probably more IN FAVOR rather than NOT IN FAVOR.

      That said, I also feel like there is a lot more to all of this than anyone is being told. Perhaps a NEW Wikileaks entity will emerge, find the relative information, and reveal what this is all about.

      I just can’t help but feel that this whole thing is rouse. Similar to a “wag-the-dog” scenario. Did the US government ALLOW these cables to be stolen, knowing they would get leaked? Is Wikileaks apart of a grander scheme?

      Consider this- what happens if some piece of the information leaked engenders a SUCCESSFUL terrorist attack on the US. This would be all that is needed for the government to take control of the internet and impose new regulations on the media. I think if the attack is massive enough, many citizens would support such an agenda.

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    • american1st
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:36pm

      transparency is what we should have, transparency is supposed to be done by the government..
      whistle-blowing is a good thing, but it needs to be done with discernment when classified information is involved
      assange took stolen information and published it with out concern for the harm it might do…. its not transparency or whistle-blowing,

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    • NickDeringer
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 2:30pm

      @Konservative PUNK

      BTW: Vladimir Puttin is a big supporter of WikiLeaks as well.

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    • slimster
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 4:38pm

      @americanisst, When would have been a better time to expose corrupt government dealings? now while something can be done to correct it, or later when the damage has been done and no one can fix it? The only harm Julian committed was to the people he exposed of their own corruption.. If they were not corrupt like they are, then there would be no harm.

      Ron Paul for president!

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    • Max jones
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 4:44pm

      I‘ve been wondering lately about Obama’s attirude. Although he”s never been easy to understand, he‘s been straying away from what I’ve expected of him. To me, its like he does not care what is happening with the deficit or the debt or employment woes or anything that seems like a real issue. I ask myself, why? It‘s obvious that his poll numbers don’t bother him. Likewise he seems not to care about the erosion of his base. I don’t trust any body, but him the least!
      He knows something that is only conjecture with anybody else. I think it is top-down, bottom up, inside out, push, that is in the brew pot. The progressives are about to make the ‘big move’. What we think of Obama does not even matter. What we think…actually does not matter at all. The wiki leaks debacle is truly a work of evil genius. Destroy our “open” dialogue online and at the same time discredit American diplomacy. Combine this with the impending collapse of the dollar, and it’s rejection, worldwide, as the reserve currency, and we have what Glenn calls the perfect storm. Ron Paul is right and he has been all along. We did not find him compelling, so his viewpoint has been ignored. He is a true patriot committed to the preservation of the constitution and our “inalienable” rights.
      Most of us are now, only lately, becoming aware of the real threat to our existence as a sovereign nation. The true threat is the duplicitous nature of current era American governance. How did the “breadbasket” of the world become the greatest Debtor nation in the whole of history? How did the greatest force in Christian missionary history become the depraved sinkhole of abortion, flaunting an endorsed and advertised form of hypersexuality that includes the popular acceptance of homosexuality? How? It is nothing less than demonic influence and it has a face. The face of godless progressivism!
      As we allowed The Lord to be left out of our day to day public lives and we allowed secular humanism to be injected into our institutions, we lost and lost and lost…and today we have what we have.
      Our leaders have no moral or ethical backbone. We have expediency and we have compromise and political correctness: fertile ground for evil men to sow the spiritual weapons that are being weilded against the children of God in these times.

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    • Johnwr41
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 4:58pm

      Some of his points are valid, but he looses me when he says the Iraq war was based on lies. Our intelligence was faulty, and it shouldn’t have been, but to lye is to imply intent to misinform, i.e. on purpose. I just don’t believe that was the case, so I dismiss loons who say otherwise.

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    • slimster
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 5:17pm

      @Nick Derihnger, Putin also likes to eat food. Maybe you should stop eating it then, you wouldn’t want to be caught in league with him…

      @Johnwr41, Not only was the war in Iraq based on a lie, it was never approved by congress. Nor should it have been approved. Ron Paul is right, which is killing more people, wikileaks revealing the corrupt, or the corrupt leading our soldiers and country into illegal and secretive wars?

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    • american1st
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 5:26pm

      @ slimster — NOW is always the best time to expose corruption
      – NEVER is the best time to expose military intelligence gathering methods and strategically valuable targets..

      assange could have taken the small amount of time necessary to differentiate between the two, and been fully protected by the first amendment as a journalist, he didn’t and now he is at risk of being charged with espionage…

      because of that he has proven himself to be ideologically driven, he is not a champion of freedom and justice against corruption, he is a radical progressive/anarchist… a monkey with matches sitting on a stack of gas cans.. he had a pile of information that could have been used for good but he pissed it away by thumbing his nose at the establishment and posting it all with no care for the harm it could do…..

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    • abc
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 6:43pm

      Good for Paul. Assange broke no laws by taking leaks and passing them onto various press organizations. He is largely following those press organizations’ standards for publishing the leaks. He has revealed many things that the American people ought to know about their country’s foreign policy actions and warmaking. If the press, including and especially Fox, has abdicated old fashioned reporting, then I am happy that the new media is picking up the slack. That the government, both the GOP and Democrats, are targeting Wikileaks while ignoring the major news organizations highlights their hypocrisy. It also likely shows that they have no real legal case, but believe they can squash a small internet outfit that lacks the legal defense teams of the NYT, WSJ, NBC or Fox. Ron Paul might be the only intelligent and honest conservative left out there.

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 9:08pm

      Hurray.. FINALLY a voice of reason.. I have been trying to tell people the SAME thing.. Only I have to admit RON PAUL has always made sense on 9 out of 10 things..The ONLY reason our government is even bothering to go after Wikileaks NOW is for their own gain(s) some of which they already received and they want us to be appalled so they can help by shutting down the internet..they read all these comment boards and they hear how the RIGHT is even knocking WIKILEAKS making them THINK we want them to save us.. Which is why I say IF you get to emotional when you hear things like this the extremist on the left will use it against us.. save your emotions for helping family and friends and others you’ve yet to meet..

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    • jzs
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 9:28pm

      Wait a second. There is hypocrisy in the air. Paul was clearly and repeatedly stating that Bush’s invasion of Iraq was wrong and based on lies. Do the Blazers agree to that? Did you listen to what he said?

      Also, Paul‘s opinions are in direct conflict with Palin’s, who wants Assange hunted down for treasonous acts (although he’s not an American citizen and has broken no laws).

      Who do you support? Paul, who says in the video that Bush lied us into war and thinks Assange is doing the country a favor, or Palin, who wants the guy prosecuted?

      Listen to the video: Paul is saying the invasion of Iraq was a mistake and based on lies by Bush. Do you agree?

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 10:08pm

      NickDeringer.. he’s NOT an isolationist..he may be somewhat of a protectionist but after a LONG line of giving our country away.. allowing anyone to do whatever they want WE COULD USE SOME PROTECTION.. time for YOU to wake up.. and quit allowing the good people of this country to be USED by Politicians who DON’T PROTECT..

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    • WVdad
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 10:47pm

      Just look at what the man says and ask yourself if you agree, our these questions that should be asked, your damn right they are, dont let them use you to enslave you

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    • WVdad
      Posted on December 10, 2010 at 10:49pm

      They know what you are passionate about and they will attempt to exploit it

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    • Stuck_in_CA
      Posted on December 11, 2010 at 7:42am

      Wow. Many, many good points. Well-meaning, but misled conservatives like Hannity, need to open their minds and consider the points Ron Paul is making.
      History is rife with examples of governments doing harm to their people. The days of citizens blindly following their leaders must end, if we are to save our republic.

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    • JKN
      Posted on December 11, 2010 at 9:17am

      I may not agree with all of what Ron Paul says; but in most cases, he’s right on the money! This man stands for the Constitution and will vote “no” on any piece of legislation that does not refer to the Constitution… His nickname, Dr. No, suits Ron Paul; and this man makes a lot of sense to me.

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    • Reagan/Demint.deciple
      Posted on December 11, 2010 at 9:22am

      I’ll probably get singled out for this comment but anyway, here goes…
      His views about security and war are not very conservative like, I do realize he is a libertarian…
      If we were to actually HAVE to go to war, meaning ,another country declaring war on us, I wouldn’t want him in the white house, I don’t trust him in that area ..

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    • patriot308
      Posted on December 12, 2010 at 5:49pm

      The “facts” nickderringer claims are bald faced lies, and he most likely knows this. Ron Paul never wrote these things! They were falsely attributed to him, in an effort to smear him. Oh and BTW, he also partakes in dihydromonoxide on a regular basis. You better get on the bandwagon early to smear him for this too.

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