Ron Paul: ‘I’m Trying to Save the Republican Party’
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Ron Paul on Sunday revealed his reasoning for staying in the GOP presidential race: He’s trying to “save the Republican Party from themselves.”
While the Texas congressman admitted the “conventional wisdom” is that Mitt Romney will be the party’s nominee, he said “the votes haven’t been counted“ and ”there‘s no way I’m going to give up on the effort to get the Republicans back to their roots.”
“The truth is, I’m trying to save the Republican Party from themselves because they want perpetual wars, they don’t care about presidents who assassinate American citizens, they don’t care about searching our houses without search warrants, and these are the kind of things people care about,” Paul said.
Criticizing his fellow candidates and President Barack Obama for “represent[ing] the past,“ Paul said the views he holds are ”very, very popular. We represent the future.”
“We represent the future about what freedom really brings us: Free markets and sound money and civil liberties and a sensible foreign policy,” he said.
Asked whether he could see himself supporting Romney should he secure the nomination, Paul demurred.
“I haven’t made that decision yet, I’m still campaigning,” he said.
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Micah.Stone
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:52pmmoRon paul = we have to kill the Repub party to save it !!!!
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:57pmI like a lot of what Ron Paul says…that being said, if he runs as a 3rd party candidate, I’ll have lost every bit of respect I have for the man. It would essentially give BO a lock on his second term.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:10pmYeah..That stupid Ron Paul..wanting to get us back to the Constitution and voting for our Constitutional rights.. Wow..we should vote anyone out of Congress doing that. We want Congressmen and speakers of the house voting us 50 billion dollar tax increases and taking private propery ownership away from us..Imagine..Paul having a real plan to get us 15 trillion out of debt..Thank goodness we have men who will keep us in these blood money wars while Islamo/Fascism takes us over from within.. Imagine Paul wanting to put the law back into the hands of the states.. Yep..we are going down but we are in control ..Go GOP/Liberal party
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:13pmWhen “The Republican Establishment” or “The Republican Party” is used by one of us or one of Them, it really means nothing. Just who is “The R Party”??? And who is RP to point a finger at those that have fought the fight against the Progressives, Mostly D‘s but includes some R’s. Mr Paul will prove his mettle , if he help’s Mitt get elected, then works with all the different R’s to dismantle Washington DC., The AMERICAN CESSPOOL.
We must all hang together or we shall most assuredly all hang separately.
Benjamin Franklin July 4th 1776 at the signing of the Declaration of Independence
PS. For you Liberal SC Judges That’s the United States Declaration of Independence
Report Post »NotBigBooteeitsBigButtay
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:52pmIf RP ran 3rd party it would be solely because republicans won’t vote for him. It may be an indictment on Paul, but’s definitely an indictment on the Republican Party.
I am hoping & praying Romney can win me over with a strong running mate and some promises I can live with. But honestly, I don’t know who that running mate would be right now.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:10pmHere’s what Mr. Conservative had to say:
“I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!” – Goldwater
“I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is “needed” before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents’ “interests,” I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can.” – Goldwater
“I told Johnson and old colleagues on Capitol Hill that we had two clear choices. Either win the [Vietnam] war in a relatively short time, say within a year, or pull out all our troops and come home.” – Goldwater
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:11pm“Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.” – Goldwater
“Most Americans have no real understanding of the operations of the international moneylenders… the accounts of the Federal Reserve have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and… manipulates the credit of the United States ” – Goldwater
“I’m the most underdog underdog there is.” – Goldwater
“It is a fact that Lyndon Johnson and his curious crew seem to believe that progress in this country is best served simply and directly through the ever-expanding gift power of the everlastingly growing Federal Government. One thing we all know, and I assure you I do: that’s a much easier way to get votes than my way. It always has been. It’s political Daddyism, and it’s as old as demagogues and despotism.” – Goldwater
Report Post »EndTheFedNOW
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:22pmI hate the constutition! I hate freedom! I hate ron paul!
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:39pmI never ceases to amaze me to see the vitriol against Paul. I also have to wonder about those who are so vehemently for him. I like Paul and I like his message, so much so, I voted for him in the Indiana primary against McCain. McCain already had it sewn up, but I wasn’t going to vote for him. Paul won’t be president, but I’m very, very glad he’s in the race. We need people speaking about liberty and how we can get back to it. I’m hoping that Paul is simply ahead of his time, and in a few years most of his views will be far more mainstream. I disagree with Paul on several things, but overall he has the best stance of all of them to get our country on the right track. The biggest problem I see with him, is he speaks as if all the changes he wants to make will happen the first week he’s in office. It took us over a hundred years of progressive programming to get to the point we are, and it won’t be changed over night. I don‘t think for a moment Paul really thought he’d be president. I think he ran to shape the conversation and he has done just that. All that said, if he were to run with a third party, I would lose all respect for him. Any big-name third party is going to leech far more votes from the R than the D, though I think a good portion of so-called liberals would vote for him over Obama. So, quit hating on Paul, we need his voice and many others to help us right this ship, if it’s not already too late.
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:53pmyou know, you republicans are so myopic. and come november, when you lose BIG to obama, i am fully prepared to hear you whine and blame ron paul supporters.
it’s like this: I AM AN INDEPENDENT. ron paul is the reason i decided to give the GOP a chance this election cycle. now, you insult me and expect me to vote for romney (who may as well be obama for all intents and purposes)?
you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. i hope you learn to be more welcoming in the 2016 election (if we last that long).
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:15pm@The_Almighty_Creestof – Third Party or not, he still has the best chance to beat Obama. Romney is giving Obama a 2nd term. WAke up man
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:22pm@Politician
“he still has the best chance to beat Obama”
Paul can’t even beat Romney, Santorum or Gingrich, so how his he going to beat Obama.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:26pm@therealconservative – Paul takes the liberal & black vote & the independent. Most are not even voting in this Republican Primary. Plus have you been seeing the fraud? Maine?SC -dead people voting, NH Dead people voting. Plenty of caucus events where the GOP breaks the rules too. So do me a favor and keep watching that TV. Your brainwashed
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:37pm@Politician
Talk about being brainwashed, you should stay away for the Paul web sites. But thanks for admitting that Paul supporters are left of center.
Report Post »LibertyOrDeath12
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:37pm@therealconservative – Riiight with what numbers. The lame steams false numbers? HAHAHA — Show me a bumper sticker of Romney because I sure haven’t seen one.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:43pm@Liberty
Show me a Paul sticker. I live outside/work on Ft Huachuca, no Ron Paul stickers. Where’s that military support?
LibertyOrDeath12
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:50pm@therealconservative – I live in NJ, Home of Chris Progressive Christie. I live around 5 bases & All I see is Ron Paul.
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:54pmright here is military support.
Report Post »i am a 9 year veteran.
AND
in the charleston area of SC, the only bumper stickers i see are ron paul and obama. mostly ron paul though. and we have a navy base and an airforce base here.
therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:58pm@Liberty
Primarly Reserve Bases, staffed with mainly civilians. But I must admit there are 2 hand made signs here for Ron Paul, the O is a Foot Print of the American Chicken.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:58pm@13th imam
“We must all hang together or we shall most assuredly all hang separately.
Benjamin Franklin July 4th 1776 at the signing of the Declaration of Independence
PS. For you Liberal SC Judges That’s the United States Declaration of Independence”
*Facepalm* No it’s not. It’s what he said AT THE SIGNING OF the Declaration of Independence.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:10pm@therealconservative – Military highly support Paul. He gets more donations than all of the other candidates combined, including Obama. Plus there are so many military men & women who can’t talk about it.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:16pm@Brad
That’s one vote for Paul. Yes I know you were Navy (Deckhand on a minesweeper) and couldn’t handle it. The bases, mainly staffed by civilians.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:23pm@Politician
Keep drinking that Kool-Aid
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:27pm@Brad
BTW Paul came in LAST in the Charleston area.
Report Post »inblack
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:47pm@MICAH
LOL – are you really going to defend Romney, romneycare and business as usual.
I really liked George W. Bush. A great guy, straight shooter and a solid conservative, but…
– $1 Trillion in new Welfare
– Approved a govt bailout of the banks
– Took our liberty to try to protect us
– Got us into a war in Iraq and failed to pull out of afghanistan
– Spent trillions
– Primarily Business as Usual
Romney is more liberal than Bush ever was. He has not served in the military, he might not appt conservative judges for all we know. He never says anything. Do you really know where he stands?
How did we get Romney? Money. He has out-spent by 10-to-1 all the candidates combined. Selling his message? No, tearing them down.
Finally Glenn Beck said if Newt or Ron Paul won, he would not vote for them against Obama.
So don‘t get on Glenn’s site and malign Ron Paul who has rejected running as a third party candidate as some kind of traitor.
We will not save this country until we stop being distracted by pro-war chickenhawks like McCain and the Heritage Foundation and start focusing on shrinking govt and getting them the hell out of our businesses so we can compete.
Our weak economy is the biggest threat to our defense and big govt is the biggest threat to our liberty and prosperity.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:49pm@therealconservative – Isn’t it suppose to the majority who drinks the koolaid? You been drinking that Koolaid all your life pal
Report Post »AZindependent
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:50pmRon Paul couldn’t save this country, no one can. We are too far gone to have a single person with “radical” ideas like freedom and liberty save us. It’s time to take a hard look around the globe to find somewhere where people are embracing freedom and liberty, and are willing to make the hard choices to fight for it. There has to be a “Galt’s Gulch” somewhere, and hopefully my family can get there before the collapse.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:55pmCan someone who believes Ron Paul is great except for foreign policy please offer me one expert in the field that is more qualified than Michael Sheuer or Karen Kwiatkowski? And no ex-generals who aren’t even permitted to speak at West Point. I know what I‘ve SEEN and anyone who thinks there’s a middle eastern country out there that can pose a threat to us is either stupid or lying to you. That being said, I listed two names… if you can find anyone with opposing views and similar credentials, I’ll check them out. Good luck with that.
Report Post »Xplorer
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:57pma seed dies before it lives
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:05pm@Politician
“You been drinking that Koolaid all your life pal”
Not even close, Sport. Ron Paul and his “FOLLOWERS” are the Mayor from Red Dawn
Report Post »Tallaron
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:25pmI vote for who I believe in. The media picked Romney from the beginning and didn’t Bill Maher say that if you tell the American people something enough they will follow like sheep. I’m not sheep and corporations are not people. I’m also not a Republican so no need to vote for one unless I believe in him. If Obama wins then our country is in real serious trouble for more reasons than him getting the votes…it‘s the people and my vote won’t change that…a collapse might. What use to be important was Freedom, now it’s about free stuff. You sheep follow your path and I’ll follow mine.
Report Post »Treaty
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:28pmIf he runs third party I will vote for him on principal regardless of the fact that it may mean Obama wins. The Republicans are going in the wrong direction with Romney. I will not contribute to that idiocy any more than I will contribute to the idiocy of Obama.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:31pmBr@dley
Report Post »Vote for Obama or don’t vote and we may very well not see an election in 2016. At least not in a country we would have recognized twenty years ago.
PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:31pm@therealconservative – I just don’t understand you. So your telling me that the FED needs to stay in place?
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:46pmNote to the bumper sticker counters. They don’t really equate to election victories.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:47pmron paul has chaired he monetary policy subcommittee for over a year. So what has Dr Mouth done about Fed? Dr Fugazi talks Big & Tuff …..but he is a zero.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:00pm“Ron Paul on Sunday revealed his reasoning for staying in the GOP presidential race: He’s trying to “save the Republican Party from themselves.””
He also said, “I’m trying to win the nomination. The votes haven’t been counted.”
Ron is NOT only in the race to make suggestions to a Ron Paul-less Republican Party; Rather, he’s trying to get the Republican Party to realize that it has become an enemy of the United States, and it needs to return to the non-interventionist, free market principles it once held.
Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich PREFER BIG GOVERNMENT. They are not Constitutionalists.
Therefore substituting one of these for Obama will not help get the government off our backs, and will not make us safer from radical Islamists (or the radical Marxists that are already in our government, and who will JOIN WITH the radical Islamists to destroy our country – HELLO?!).
Ron Paul was talking about radical Islamists before Glenn Beck.
He warned that what Clinton was doing would lead to war, before 9/11.
He saw the housing crash coming, in 2001.
See here.
War and the Constitution | Ron Paul
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo4kdGhsbls#t=34m36s
And here.
Ron Paul Predicted 9/11 a Decade Ago!!!!!!!!!!!!
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hJTisovvjc
And here.
Ron Paul: “This real-estate bubble will burst, as all bubbles do” (part 3)
Report Post »http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KONpt9a6HrI
dmerwin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:01pmFor those counting things maybe the current delegate count will be more indicative of final nomination victor.
Report Post »Romney-566
Santorum-263
Gingrich-140
Paul-67
So Paul has less than half that of the third place candidate. At the current rate when Romney reaches 1144 Paul will have about what Gingrich has now.
thetreyman
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:01pm@therealconservative
the mayor in red dawn…..i love it. and you are not too far off the mark either. ever hear of Murray Rothbard, Ron Pauls friend and mentor. here is some of what Bill Buckley wrote of him.
Murray Rothbard, age 68, died on January 7. We extend condolences to his family, but not to the movement he inspired….
Murray Rothbard had defective judgment. It pains even to recall it, but in 1959 when Khrushchev arrived in New York, with much of America stunned by the visit of the butcher of Budapest — the Soviet protege of Stalin who was threatening a world war over Berlin — Rothbard physically applauded Khrushchev in his limousine as it passed by on the street. He gave as his reason for this that, after all, Krushchev had killed fewer people than General Eisenhower, his host.
here is the link to the whole article called Conservatives and Libertarians from the American Thinker.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/conservatives_and_libertarians_1.html
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:04pm@RepubliCorp LOL. Yeah, because being able to get a partial audit of the Federal Reserve, revealing 16 trillion dollars in wasteful money funding foreign entities and foreign financial institutions means nothing. Only to a big government Republican.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:09pm@dmerwin,
“For those counting things maybe the current delegate count will be more indicative of final nomination victor.
“Romney-566″
See here.
Rumors of Ron Paul campaign demise greatly exaggerated
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/reawakening-liberty/2012/mar/31/rumors-ron-paul-campaign-demise-greatly-exaggerate/
“The Associated Press reports that Romney has over ten times the delegates that Ron Paul has secured. Reuters reports that Paul is far behind in Wisconsin and that his supporters have finally conceded that he can’t win the nomination.
“None of this is true. Romney has not secured 568 delegates. Hundreds of those delegates won’t be determined until Republican state conventions, many of which haven’t happened yet.”
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:20pmA Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Report Post »Yeah, Yeah how do you think this will really pan out.
West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:21pmTherealconservative, You’re name is wrong as you are not a real conservative. You are a Santorum conservative who believes that the government should keep taxes up, regulations high and police our bedrooms along with the world. That, my friend, is not being a conservative. Paul is the real conservative, always has been, always will be. You are drinking the koolaid (establishment media brainwashing). I hope we have a brokered convention, then we will see what happens. If Romney gets the nomination, bye bye Paul supporter votes. He will not have to run third party, we will either write him in or vote for someone like Gary Johnson.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:23pm@Politician
You don‘t understand me because you’ve being so indoctrinated into the Paul mindset that you respond blindly to others. Not ONCE have I said a word about the FED, but your blindness tells you that if someone does not support Ron Paul they MUST support the FED. Wake up and get off the Paul wagon.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:23pmRepublicorp, Paul is the main reason we got a partial audit of the FED.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:23pm@thetreyman,
“Murray Rothbard had defective judgment. It pains even to recall it, but in 1959 when Khrushchev arrived in New York, with much of America stunned by the visit of the butcher of Budapest — the Soviet protege of Stalin who was threatening a world war over Berlin …”
Would it also pain you to know that we SIDED WITH Stalin, who was worse than Hitler?
See here.
Rethinking the Good War
Report Post »http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance181.html
dmerwin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:25pmA Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Report Post »So you really think several HUNDRED of those delegates will go to Paul? Please respond, I want you on record for the sheer fantasy involved in your train of thought.
therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:38pm@West
I know the name is confusing to you, since you’ve never met a conservative before. You Liberals just can’t stand it when WE THE PEOPLE vote for the candidate WE want, and sorry to say WE THE PEOPLE don’t want Paul. BTW look up want WE THE PEOPLE means.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:45pm@dmerwin,
“So you really think several HUNDRED of those delegates will go to Paul? Please respond, I want you on record for the sheer fantasy involved in your train of thought.”
It’s possible. Can’t say for sure.
See here.
Ron Paul Sweeps All Delegates From Nye County, Nevada!
http ://www.dailypaul.com/224076/ron-paul-sweeps-all-delegates-from-nye-county-nevada
And don’t forget that some in the GOP are deliberately defrauding Ron Paul at the caucuses.
See here.
St. Charles County Caucus RIGGED As Admitted on Talk Radio By Dokes
http ://www.dailypaul.com/221947/st-charles-county-caucus-rigged-as-admitted-on-talk-radio-by-dokes
And here.
Bryan Spencer Speaks about Rigging St. Charles Caucus
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuQIMfMVMYg
And here.
Santorum campaign caught trying to foil county convention re-do
Report Post »http ://www.examiner.com/conspiracy-in-denver/santorum-campaign-caught-trying-to-foil-missouri-county-convention-re-do
jjoy
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:49pmThe republican party is committing suicide by continually nominating liberal losers like dole, mcCain and romney…
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:49pmRomney and Obama, one in the same. Bought and paid for by the global elite bankers that run the Fed and the treasury. It is amazing that people actually believe Romney is going to do anything different if he were to win. The fact is the corrupt media had already chose their puppet to begin with. The race is still far from over and they are already declaring the victory. They do this on purpose so you give up hope, become apathetic and stay at home or just vote for Romney. Thank God for Ron Paul, who will continue to fight for what is right and what he believes in unlike blindly walking off a cliff just like the lunatics robbing this country want us to do. I am still going to vote for Dr. Paul in the primary and if he runs as a 3rd party I will still vote for him and I refuse to compromise my vote. I guess the saying is true, a country gets the leaders it deserves, if Romney or Obama is President it shows how corrupt we have become as a people in this country and have allowed it to happen. Perhaps we don’t deserve a man like Ron Paul to become our President.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:51pm@therealconservative – If that is true than you don’t support any candidate because the other three want the FED, so I assumed. I am on his band wagon. He is the only politician that I would shake hands with. You only think negative on Paul because the lame stream only talks negative. I was also on Becks band wagon and Mark Levin. As a matter of fact I listened to them before Paul, than i heard Paul at a debate and thought DING!!! He is it! I am done arguing with you, because I could never change your mind just like you could never change mine. Hell if I know, you could be an Obama supporter trolling.. & you could think the same about me, but all I can say is.. See you in Tampa.
Report Post »jjoy
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:52pm@THE_ALMIGHTY_CREESTOF
“It would essentially give BO a lock on his second term.”
If the RINOs nominate a liberal loser like romney, it is they that have given BO a second term…
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:53pmWhen are you people going to learn about the real problem in our Country?
Its not the Freakin’ DemocRATS or the RepubliCONS.
Ron Paul Already Knows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkq2E8mswI
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:11pm@Adoctorslaborisnotmyright
Hmm… Reuters and the Associated depressed?
The Rothschilds Boughts Reuters in the 1800′s and then the AP thereafter.
Nothing to see here. Move along…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym4TTmOJ4I8
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:16pm@Politician
“If that is true than you don’t support any candidate because the other three want the FED, so I assumed.”
‘When you ASSUME you make an ASS of U and ME’ – Felix Unger: The Odd Couple
Once again your midset compels you to think without reason. But your right on one point, we will never see eye to eye, because I don‘t live my live on ’Talking Points‘ or someone’s ‘Web Site’.
Report Post »bristoltrucker
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:17pmThe Branch Paulinians still believe the mantra put forth by Alex Jones. They think that they will be able to take the delegates away from the other candidates and thus take the nomination. But that is what you get from people who believe what either Ron Paul or Alex Jones tells them.
BTW, if you Ron Paul supporters don’t know why I refer to many of you as Branch Paulinians you need to do much more in depth research on Ron Paul. Especially the conspiracy theories that he started spreading in the 1990s. Anyone that has been paying attention to politics since the 90s knows how far off the deep end that Ron Paul has always been.
Report Post »ALPAKA
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:18pmI recommend that everyone try this http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/candidate-match-game?loc=interstitialskip
Report Post »ianmc002
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:19pmFU Becker bigots. Ron Paul is our ONLY hope. God forbid you actually FOLLOW the Constitution.
Report Post »ianmc002
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:21pmRepubliCorp
Hey genius…what has he done? You do know about the Fed don’t you? Well so does 70% of the population smartie.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:23pm@ADoctor’s Labor is Not My Right.. Did you know that Rueters is specifically named as being owned by the Rothchilds? The family whose wealth is estimated at 500 trillion and who is known for owning the media..and who control what these sheeple think?
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:27pmMicah.Stone
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:52pm
moRon paul = we have to kill the Repub party to save it !!!!
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We have to have RomneyCare to get rid of ObamaCare!!!
Report Post »inblack
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:31pmGreat – The US is paying rebels in Syria.
Where is the congress and the republican party on this? Paying anti-govt forces in another country is obviously an act of war. War declarations are the job of congress.
Why would obama do this? Sotomeyer obviously told Obama that obamacare has been struck down and now he needs to distract us with another illegal war.
BTW, I’m sure chickenhawk McCain will support war, how about the rest of you?
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:33pm@bristoltrucker,
“BTW, if you Ron Paul supporters don’t know why I refer to many of you as Branch Paulinians you need to do much more in depth research on Ron Paul.”
Are you aware of the Fast and Furious scandal?
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:36pm@IAN
“God forbid you actually FOLLOW the Constitution.”
We are and WE THE PEOPLE don’t want Paul.
Report Post »thetreyman
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:37pm@A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
dont need to read that Lew article. your response says it all. it is a numbers game to you. the one who is morally superior is the one who has murdered less. that is why conservatives and rothbardian anarco-libertarians will never see eye to eye. they butchers of the world are all bad. besides didnt the morally superior america (my opinion) defeat both in the end.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:45pmPaullowers, the dream world you live in where proposing legislation that’s perfectly constitutional, but never gets any votes from anyone else and where you vote your principles in the primary AND the general (the latter of which proves your logic has limits) doesn‘t benefit anyone if its leader’s not in power. We conservatives love your libertarian and constitutional principles, and add only the dose of realism necessary to actually pass a bill, get a candidate in office, and protect ourselves in a world where evil and terrorists really do exist, and really can’t wait to be stopped until after the attack. Stop your idealistic nonsense and quit pretending that just because Paul has been consistent, he’s somehow also been influential. He hasn’t. He’s just been consistently ignored on most, and consistently wrong on foreign policy (mostly because you non-interventionists can’t see past your own moral relativist ideological noses to understand the world in its context–or the Founders). Take your lumps, settle for Paul in the Treasury Secretary slot, and connect with the real world or you’ll stay unconvincing and a mildly entertaining sort of irrelevant.
Report Post »resme
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:45pmSantorum on the federal reserve ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpy9BqEoi64 )
Conservative my ass.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:48pm@thetreyman,
“besides didnt the morally superior america (my opinion) defeat both in the end.”
In fact, we did not, since our New Deal created massive government intervention in our economy, which persists to this day.
The collectivists won. We are not free. We have become a Fascist nation, we use fiat money, and we even believe the Socialist-authored Pledge of Allegiance to proclaim our freedom.
Oh, we had our butts handed to us around 100 years ago.
So, no: we lost that war.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:53pm@ Treyman
Report Post »Excellent demonstration of how non-interventionism comes down to moral relativism.
I must add though, that although I respect Doctor’s Labor for his willingness to debate history, in my previous dealings, I‘ve noted that he’s virtually immune to context.
The US ALLIED with Stalin during WWII because without him, standing up to Hitler on the Western Front would have been futile. Real leaders have to engage with pragmatics, make unpalatable decisions for the greater good, and Stalin was not given carte blanche SUPPORT from the US (which Doctor’s Labor implies). It was an awkward alliance, and broke up as soon as WWII concluded, as evidenced by the Cold War.
Doctor’s Labor wants us to feel guilty for stopping the killing of Jews, but failing to stop the starving of Ukranians? Fine: the latter WAS a failing. But he’s being disingenuous–he doesn’t believe we should have saved those Jews either. The conservative foreign policy is not to intervene in everything, but there are some evils we just can’t stand by and watch grow. Non-interventionism sticks its head in the sand and repeats: there’s no such thing as evil, there’s no such thing as evil…
resme
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:59pm@doctor, We also adopted the central bank right from the communist manifesto. We don’t really have many freedoms anymore. The coming police state is soon, The laws are already on the book with technology it will be easily enforced.
Good informative video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRipVd5wxhI
Ron Paul 2012.
Report Post »thetreyman
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:05pm@A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
got it, america is still the worst.
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:08pmTo sum up Happystretchedthin’s 10:45 post –
“Shut up and do as you’re told”.
Report Post »black9897
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:09pmKeep preaching Ron! You’re the only one worth voting for.
Report Post »thetreyman
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:09pmand a marxist democrat in the white house it better than any republican besides the v@gina doctor. got it…..i think i am starting to get the hang of this paulbot thing.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:11pm@HappyStretchedThin,
“The US ALLIED with Stalin during WWII because without him, standing up to Hitler on the Western Front would have been futile.”
But we allied (same as “sided with”; no trickery intended, btw) with someone who was WORSE THAN Hitler.
“Doctor’s Labor wants us to feel guilty for stopping the killing of Jews, but failing to stop the starving of Ukranians? Fine: the latter WAS a failing. But he’s being disingenuous–he doesn’t believe we should have saved those Jews either. The conservative foreign policy is not to intervene in everything, but there are some evils we just can’t stand by and watch grow.”
We did NOT stop the killing of the Jews, but facilitated it, both by getting involved in WWI, were we didn’t belong, as well as in the case of the “Voyage of the Damned” (we turned away the Jewish refugees, knowing they’d be slaughtered).
You think that there are some evils in other countries that we cannot stand by and watch grow.
For one, Hitler didn’t want to fight the U.S.
Second, Communism won, in the U.S. by spreading statism here.
Third, we were TRICKED INTO WWII by a Progressive (Pearl Harbor was provoked by FDR).
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Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:13pmChallenge to all you Paullower context-free students of the history of the Fed.
Report Post »You want to audit it, that’s a FANTASTIC idea.
But what institution would you use to replace it? If you leave monetary policy in the hands of the politicians, they will abuse their power to create debt, and then abuse it again to print money to cover the debt. The Fed’s purpose is to remove the responsibility for monetary policy from the legislative branch (as well as from the executive and the judiciary) by at least one degree so that political forces have as little control as possible over monetary decisions. Where on earth is there a model for an alternative to the Fed?
I honestly want to know.
Because when you abolish what the Fed does, you get Weimar Republic, the Italian lira, Zaire and Zimbabwe.
An audit of the Fed to keep it honest, yes. But the idea of a Fed (which is NOT a central bank as Jefferson derided–it’s a separate concept our libertarian friends love to conflate because without it, they don’t have a logical leg to stand on) is based on sound conservative principles of limited government, NOT on an Alex Jones-style global progressivist conspiracy.
Show me where I’m wrong.
Mil Mom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:21pm@ashestoashes
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:10pm
Yeah..That stupid Ron Paul..wanting to get us back to the Constitution and voting for our Constitutional rights.. Wow..we should vote anyone out of Congress doing that. We want Congressmen and speakers of the house voting us 50 billion dollar tax increases and taking private propery ownership away from us..Imagine..Paul having a real plan to get us 15 trillion out of debt..Thank goodness we have men who will keep us in these blood money wars while Islamo/Fascism takes us over from within.. Imagine Paul wanting to put the law back into the hands of the states.. Yep..we are going down but we are in control ..Go GOP/Liberal party
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Totally off the issue! After obama is defeated we can have the fight of whether to form a 3rd party. RIGHT NOW A 3rd PARTY SPLITS THE ANYBODY BUT OBAMA VOTE, AND LET‘S THE LEFT’S VOTER FRAUD STEAL THE ELECTION! IF PAUL GOES 3rd PARTY, YOU CAN BET SOROS IS FUNDING IT TO GIVE B O ANOTHER 4 YEARS TO DESTROY OUR FREEDOM! HARDLY WHAT PAUL SAYS HE STANDS FOR!
gemologist
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:21pmSeeing as how I am involved a little in the RP campaign and I don’t want to say too much, think about this one, in the republican party, unless you are a delegate your vote is not a vote, it is an instruction to a delegate, an instruction that can be ignored. Know your delegates, be your delegates, then and only then, your vote counts. remember that nobody but the electoral college actually votes for the president, get to be an elector and then you have a vote, (or you can abstain from voting if you can’t hack backing up a hack)
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:26pm@ Doctor’s
Report Post »“We did NOT stop the killing of the Jews, but facilitated it.”
Umm. The Allies DID stop Hitler, no?
Once again you prove yourself completely impervious to context. It’s an ideological blindness. You know a lot about history, but can’t understand its most basic lessons.
Communism lost (just because it‘s has variously creeped in and been held at bay at several points along the way doesn’t amount to its victory).
I’ll have to get to your second half tomorrow, I’m afraid…
A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:26pm(Continued from prior post)
Fourth, our Founding Fathers‘ position was precisely that we should ignore other people’s wars.
See here.
Third Annual Message to Congress by Thomas Jefferson
http ://www.teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?docu*****ment=664
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“We have seen with sincere concern the flames of war lighted up again in Europe, and nations with which we have the most friendly and useful relations engaged in mutual destruction. While we regret the miseries in which we see others involved let us bow with gratitude to that kind Providence which, inspiring with wisdom and moderation our late legislative councils while placed under the urgency of the greatest wrongs, guarded us from hastily entering into the sanguinary contest, and left us only to look on and to pity its ravages.” …
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Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:32pm(Continued from prior post)
… “These will be heaviest on those immediately engaged. Yet the nations pursuing peace will not be exempt from all evil. In the course of this conflict, let it be our endeavor, as it is our interest and desire, to cultivate the friendship of the belligerent nations by every act of justice and of incessant kindness; to receive their armed vessels with hospitality from the distresses of the sea, but to administer the means of annoyance to none; to establish in our harbors such a police as may maintain law and order; to restrain our citizens from embarking individually in a war in which their country takes no part; to punish severely those persons, citizen or alien, who shall usurp the cover of our flag for vessels not entitled to it, infecting thereby with suspicion those of real Americans, and committing us into controversies for the redress of wrongs not our own;”
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Report Post »thetreyman
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:39pm@HappyStretchedThin
i think their position is to go to a gold standard. that sounds nice but i dont think it possible as there is not enough gold. in order to do this we would have to increase the value of our money, i.e. less dollars floating around. witch means we would all have to take a pay cut. still sounds doable. the problem is the people with debt. you have just cut every ones pay. how do mortgages and car loans get paid when you only make $20, gold standard, a week but made $1600, fed reserve, a week. these are private contracts. does the government get involves and mandate changing private contracts? how does this get done?
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:41pm(Continued from prior post)
And here.
George Washington’s Farewell Address
http://www.heritage.org/initiatives/first-principles/primary-sources/washingtons-farewell-address
“The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.”
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:45pmHere is Politics and History 101, class. Some of you already know this.
FACT: In 1871 our government became a corporation and trademarked the names that included “United States of America”.
FACT: In 1912, our Corporation asked the world’s weathiest men for help to rectify financial woes.
They obliged and created the Federal Reserve PRIVATE BANK to be our Central bank.
They used “Federal” to sound like a government division, and “Reserve” due to the fractional reserve system. A fiat money ponzi scam.
FACT: Woodrow Wilson, and the other Bankster’s minions passed the “Federal Reserve Act”
in 1913. This was a loan. No more gold at the banks.
FACT: In 1933, the U.S. Corp declared Bankruptcy. The creditors wanted collateral.
The government called for the “Holiday Banking Act” and gave the Federal Reserve all it’s gold.
It was not enough. They passed the “Ttrading with the enemies act” and ordered all citizens to surrender their gold. Was not enough. They then PLEDGED the “government” branches, land and PEOPLE as COLLATERAL on the debt !!!!!
FACT: Social Security came out in 1936. This is a written evidence of debt debenture for the receivers of the bankruptcy.
FACT: In 1944 the deed to the Corp was transfered to the World Bank and IMF.
FACT: In 1945 they created the UN.
FACT: The United Nations has been the Trustee of the Bankruptcy since 1945 and rules the US.
FACT: They began Foreclosure in 1992 – Look up EO #12803
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:50pmHappy,
I’m staying up a little late because of your post on the Fed. I certainly don’t have time to give a detailed answer to your questions, but I’ll try to address a few things that you posted.
First of all you said “If you leave monetary policy in the hands of the politicians, they will abuse their power to create debt, and then abuse it again to print money to cover the debt.” I have to ask – don’t you think that is exactly what is happening now?
Second, you said “The Fed’s purpose is to remove the responsibility for monetary policy from the legislative branch” I ask you – who gave the Federal Reserve (a private cartel) authority to control the country’s monetary policy? The Constitution give Congress the sole authority to borrow money on the credit of the United States; to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes; to coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures. To relegate that power to a private cartel is not only un-Constitutional, it is corrupt.
Third, you said “Because when you abolish what the Fed does, you get Weimar Republic, the Italian lira, Zaire and Zimbabwe”. I submit that what the Fed does – which is cause inlation by creating fiat money out of thin air – is exactly what caused the Weimar Republic, etc..
I‘m nearly out of space and I have to get up early and work all day tomorrow so I’ll have to continue this later….
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:54pmHappyStretchedThin,
“The Allies DID stop Hitler, no?”
We created Hitler by our involvement in WWI.
Winston Churchill said: “This war should never have come unless, under American and modernizing pressure, we had driven the Habsburgs out of Austria and the Hohenzollerns out of Germany. By making these vacuums we gave the opening for the Hitlerite monster to crawl out of its sewer onto the vacant thrones. No doubt these views are very unfashionable.”
Also, see here.
Ron Paul as a Stooge for Adolph Hitler
http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block190.html
“A Paul presidency in 1940 would have meant a war with Germany, but not Japan. However, a President Paul in 1917 would not have encouraged U.S. entry into that conflagration. If he was successful, there would have been no need for any declaration of war against Germany, as there would have been no Adolph Hitler and his Nazis in charge. He would have been, instead, an unknown house painter. With a President Paul at the helm, there would have been no holocaust; no 50 million people perishing during this war; no dropping of atomic bombs on innocent civilians, women and children, to our eternal shame.”
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Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 12:06am@HappyStretchedThin What do you replace it with? Nothing. The constitution gives Congress no authority to appoint a private corporation to regulate or issue our currency in the US.
“If you leave monetary policy in the hands of the politicians, they will abuse their power to create debt, and then abuse it again to print money to cover the debt.”
LOL. That‘s what’s happening right now IN THE HANDS OF UNELECTED SECRETIVE, ELITIST MARXIST MEN.
Jefferson said, “I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children”
President James A. Garfield said: “Whoever controls the money in any country is absolute master of industry [legislation] and commerce”.
“Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its powers, but the truth is that the Federal Reserve System has usurped the government. It controls everything in congress and it controls all our foreign relations. It makes and breaks governments at will.” – Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Committee on Banking and Currency
“History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its iss
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 12:08am(Continued from prior post)
“Communism lost (just because it‘s has variously creeped in and been held at bay at several points along the way doesn’t amount to its victory).”
Oh, no, friend. Communism definitely handed us our butts. Thoroughly.
See here.
The ACLU’s untold Stalinist heritage
Report Post »http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/04/the-aclu%E2%80%99s-untold-stalinist-heritage/
ashestoashes
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 12:08am@MIL MOM..Yes I know..it is very tempting to vote for the lesser of the two evils..As I understand.. Obama is most afraid of Romney and Paul..those two only.. I don’t see anything really changing with Romney.. but I see total and financial freedom and complete freedom from Islamo/Fascists takeover with Paul..At first..I held Paul on the back burner for an emergency and this is one MIL MOM, if I ever saw one.. I am willing to let control go back to the states..for freedom I am willing to face the fear of the unknown.. President of World Ministries said a Constitutionalist (Paul) was our only hope..and even then he didn’t know if this country could be saved.. It’s worth a shot MOM.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 12:08am“For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” – David Rockefeller, Memoirs, 2002
“Most Americans have no real understanding of the operations of the international moneylenders… the accounts of the Federal Reserve have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and… manipulates the credit of the United States ” – Goldwater
“I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by it’s system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world… no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men.” – Woodrow Wilson
Report Post »sambachico
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 12:14amI’ll be voting for Paul regardless of what ballot he is on this election. I am sick of the GOP, they continually violate the constitution and just pay lip-service to it. The GOP does not have any greater respect for our freedoms and liberties than the democrats, they just don‘t play the race card at every chance and don’t intend on direct taxation. They are however fine with a police state, corporate fascism, more executive branch power, unlimited wars and funds for wars, and more indirect taxation by letting the fed print money for their pet projects. Do I like the democrats? Hell no, they are hell-bent on propping up a totalitarian state run by communists. Do I like the GOP? they appear better on many financial issues, but in the end they lead to the same outcome – a society that has completely devoid of respect for the rights of the individual and our national heritage. Paul is not a perfect man, or the perfect candidate, but he is the only man of principle who speaks to the hearts and minds of men who love liberty. Without liberty, we are a lost country, and in the end will be no different than the other totalitarian communist Republics. May God open the hearts and minds of those in this country to repent of their ways, and return to both fiscal and moral sanity in a nation propagandized by the MSM. If we do not stand for liberty, liberty will die for us, our children and grandchildren. May God have mercy on this nation. Liberty or Tyranny, mark my words.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 12:32am@HappyStretchedThin,
“Challenge to all you Paullower context-free students of the history of the Fed. …”
“An audit of the Fed to keep it honest, yes. But the idea of a Fed (which is NOT a central bank as Jefferson derided–it’s a separate concept our libertarian friends love to conflate because without it, they don’t have a logical leg to stand on) is based on sound conservative principles of limited government, NOT on an Alex Jones-style global progressivist conspiracy.
“Show me where I’m wrong.”
Let me provide some resources which I guarantee will do a lot of the work for me, and then briefly follow up.
I highly recommend the following resources with regard to Ron Paul’s position on the Fed, and in the following order.
See here.
Smashing Myths and Restoring Sound Money | Thomas E. Woods, Jr.
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAzExlEsIKk
“What is Constitutional Money?” with Edwin Vieira — Ron Paul Money Lecture Series, Pt 2/3
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6gMkKmQSW4
“What About Money Causes Economic Crises?” with Peter Schiff – Ron Paul Money Lecture Series, Pt 3/3
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npJ0CUT8d_Y
Why You’ve Never Heard of the Great Depression of 1920 | Thomas E. Woods, Jr.
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czcU*****mnsprQI
(Remove asterisks.)
Interest Rates in a Gold Coin Standard
http ://lewrockwell.com/north/north1075.html
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Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 12:50am@MIL MOM..One more thing MIL MOM..I have a lot of respect for you..and I just want you to know that I predicted Obama’s defeat of Hilary, and his Presidency..I also predicted his dictatorship..that prediction remains to be seen..but every crooked scheme was employed the last time from kids traveling from town to town registering and voting to dead men and illegals..Acorn was fined 5 thousand for fraudulent voting..a small price for us taxpayers no? We fund Acorn..All we could do was scream..no one to hear us…not to mention the strange man in office with no official birth certificate… What makes anyone think it will be different this time around?
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:05am(Continued from prior post.)
Our Founders did not intend for our government to control the money supply, but to keep the states from issuing paper money (see also, Federalist Papers #44), and to keep track of the amounts of gold and silver in the currently circulating coins (a “dollar” was a silver coin, not a piece of paper), and to mint coins so that people could know that there was, in fact, X amount of gold or silver in the coins they had.
The government has no authority to control the money supply.
The issue was brought up about there not being enough gold to cover all the fiat money. The reason this is wrong is the same reason that Ron Paul was able to tell Michelle Bachmann that he could reduce the price of gas to a dime.
At the time gas was a dime, the dime was made of silver, and since precious metals retain their value – whereas inflated fiat money loses its value – the price of gas, IN TERMS OF SILVER, has not changed much.
What has happened since gas was a dime, is that the supply of fiat money has greatly increased, such that a dime was a dime back then, but now it takes more fiat money to equal that silver dime, today.
The price in terms of fiat money has gone up, but the price in terms of silver hasn’t.
The price of silver, therefore, in terms of fiat money, is irrelevant.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:24amRon Paul, himself, debated the issue of a gold standard with Charles Partee, a member of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, in 1983.
See here.
Gold versus Discretion: Ron Paul Debates Charles Partee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcm8VvBcUdE
It should be noted that Ron Paul does NOT favor an instantaneous return to the gold standard, as he concedes that the chaos involved in such a rapid change in the monetary pricing structure would seem to discredit the gold standard.
Then, as well as now, he favors competing currencies, allowing the market to choose the currency without government intervention. This will naturally – and gradually, without cooercion – return us to a precious metal currency standard (because paper makes an extremely poor currency).
Report Post »ConserveChrist
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:28amIf Barack Obama needs to win a 2nd time in order for the Republican party to wake up, by all means, let it be. The last thing we need is another big government spending republican in the white house. STOP PICKING MODERATES! MODERATES WILL LOOSE.
Report Post »RJL
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 6:02amIt looks like the high court is going to strike down Obumercare. What is Mitt (“the chosen one”) going to run against now? repeal Romneycare?
Oh that‘s right he is the only one that can severly create jobs and don’t forget “he severely saved the olympics”.
Report Post »Wildblue3
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 7:57amIf he wants to ‘save’ the party, help groom the next wave of govenors and senators. Make sure they are Republicans and will accomplish his goals.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 8:11amWEST COAST PATRIOT “Paul is the main reason we got a partial audit of the FED” Fact: Jim DeMint, a Republican Senator, and Bernie Sanders, an independent Senator, led the charge for a Federal Reserve audit in the Senate…… Paul has never been the “main reason” for anything. & you forget Alan Grayson should get credit too.
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Posted on April 2, 2012 at 8:30amRegardless of the spin that Ron Paul acolytes will put forth to make Ron Paul sound like the patriot crusader of liberty and freedom in our nation… Conservatives should always remember this…
The influence of the “libertarian wing” of the Republican Party proves a few things.
In the last thirty years, many Republicans have abandoned conservative principles so completely they have become caricatures of themselves. They have squandered their moral authority and broken trust with Americans. In Republicans’ abject failure, the modern “libertarian” was born.
But the libertarian version of freedom brings nothing new and much that should be rejected.
For a conservative, there can never be a libertarian option because the conservative understands the social contract. He learned this in fourth grade when he figured out his obnoxious behavior annoys others, and if he shoots off his mouth, he might get beaten up.
The conservative understands the relationship between rights and responsibility, liberty and license. He recognizes that individual behavior is not always a private matter. Sometimes it’s between you and society, you and your neighbor, you and the vulnerable. Sometimes your behavior is, in fact, somebody else’s business.
The conservative understands that laws have the power to order behavior and encourage civilized society. The libertarian loses sleep, believing that legal restrictions and social norms exist just to oppress him.
Report Post »Anarcho Capitalist
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 8:33amLiberty supporters, this site is part of the theocrat wing of the party and your comments will not convince any of them. So I suggest getting your news from other sources. I came across this story as a link, but try not to go to the blaze, don’t support it. Don’t give the site hits. stop wasting time on this site. Yes i know this comment is contradictory, but if I can just get some of you liberty minded people to spend your time more productively we can see more chance.
Among the Glenn Beck people Paul has been successfully stamped ‘kooky’ or even ‘antisemitic’ we will win nothing over on this site. Let them support the party, thats fine. We can support our moment. They won’t understand because they do not want to. They have an emotional attachment to the party and have been well trained to react to words used buy the trainers ‘talk radio’ Like pavlovs bell.
MOVE ON. Don’t Support this stupid site.
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Posted on April 2, 2012 at 8:34amWith all the libertarian emphasis on personal liberty, there is remarkably little attention paid to personal obligation. In fact, the notion of obligation itself is almost anathema: No one should be forced to do anything.
Extreme libertarianism accepts virtually no exterior restraint on personal liberty, and too quickly demonizes persons and institutions without foundation. “There shalt be no law against me” is the libertarian commandment. It comes just after “Thou shalt hold the Jews responsible for every evil in the world,” and just before “If something can be too easily explained, thou shalt consider it a conspiracy.”
Your sincere, heartfelt belief—if it happens to deviate from the libertarian view—is hopelessly flawed. Doubtless you are being mind-controlled and don’t even know it. Even good manners are suspect. Be careful: Someone is about to take something from you.
Echoing the hippie drumbeat, libertarians are certain that a) The establishment is relentlessly gunning for you; b) Prostitution is a victimless crime (forget the ravaged families and the rampant disease; c) The federal government was wrong to impose civil rights laws; and d) The war on dangerous, illicit drugs has failed, so let’s just legalize everything. (The wars on rape, murder, marital infidelity and stupidity have also failed, but we all pretty much agree they should continue).
Report Post »Naps
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 11:00amRomney wins=The banks win
Report Post »Santorum wins=Military Industrial Complex wins
Newt wins= The Lobbyist’s win
Obama wins=All of the Above win
Paul wins= The American People WIN
Ron Paul 2012 or It’s GAME OVER
Captain77
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 11:22amIf Ron Paul doesn’t get the Republican Nomination, then he must run as a third party. Why? Because both Obama and Romney support NDAA2012 which empowers the president to arrest and detain American Citizens indefinitely, without charge or trial. This is a complete violation of the Constitution as it suspends habeas corpus and our civil liberties. This legislation is extremely similar to the Nazis Enabling Act of 1933 which made all of Hitlers atrocities legal. No, I’m not saying Romney would abuse it in such a way, but the very fact he thinks the president should hold such power is an indication he is not worthy to be our president, especially since he takes an oath the protect and defend the very Constitution he has already publicly attacked.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 12:38pm@TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12,
“Extreme libertarianism accepts virtually no exterior restraint on personal liberty …”
This is false. The restraint on personal liberty is implied in the term itself: If everyone has a right to their personal liberty, then no one may violate others’ personal liberty.
Theft violates private property rights (as extrapolated from the homesteading principle of property rights). So does murder.
Further, nobody has a right to force others to pay for their goods and services in the name of “the collective good” (Not to mention that government interventions destroy the economy). Welfare is a violation of others’ property rights. So is the Income Tax.
Accordingly, every individual has a right to defend their personal liberty.
“Echoing the hippie drumbeat …”
Hippies were collectivists. They didn’t believe in property rights, and they thought everyone should pay for collective goods and services.
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Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 12:53pmI’ve said it before, and I’ll keep repeating it – Ron Paul is a Progressive.
It’s not your job, Dr. Paul, to save us from ourselves. That’s precisely the mind-set that has gotten the country into so much trouble. Also, stop telling me how ALL REPUBLICANS think or feel. You, sir, do not know.
Frigging elitist Prog. I’m so sick of this guy and people who think like him.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:08pm(Continued from prior post)
“… libertarians are certain that a) The establishment is relentlessly gunning for you; …”
Santorum makes it abundantly clear that he has been fighting Libertarian influence for some time, now.
Which is interesting, since Republicans used to embrace Libertarian (aka Constitutional) influence before they didn’t.
See here.
Inside Ronald Reagan
http ://reason.com/archives/1975/07/01/inside-ronald-reagan
Reagan: “If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.”
“… b) Prostitution is a victimless crime (forget the ravaged families and the rampant disease; …”
Others will treat you differently if you violate their trust, so you should factor that into your decisions, but prostitution isn’t a crime because the parties to the act are consenting.
See here.
Defending the Undefendable (Chapter 1: The Prostitute) by Walter Block
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwJi_IJdoNA
“… c) The federal government was wrong to impose civil rights laws; …”
The Civil Rights laws manufactured crimes out of thoughts – “thougt crimes”.
See here.
Thought Controllers Call Ron Paul “Extreme”
(at 16:42; on the Civil Rights act of 1964)
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FFhSr1A1do#t=16m42s
And here.
A black man’s view on Ron Paul being racist Part 1
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6sYZxZi4qQ
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Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:23pm(Continued from prior post)
“… and d) The war on dangerous, illicit drugs has failed, so let’s just legalize everything. (The wars on rape, murder, marital infidelity and stupidity have also failed, but we all pretty much agree they should continue).”
If one person taking drugs directly violated the rights of ohers, then, like rape and murder, the war should never end.
But you can‘t tell people what they can or can’t put into their own bodies. We have laws against theft, assault, and murder – enforce THOSE laws, and people will naturally be more careful with their drugs, cars, etc.
Further, all the violent crime and prostitution associated with drugs is due, not to their use, but from the great rise in their prices caused by the War on Drugs, itself.
We didn’t always have drug laws, you know.
See here.
Defending the Undefendable (Chapter 4: The Drug Pusher) by Walter Block
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT1WgD1Ujh8
And here.
Defending the Undefendable (Chapter 5: The Drug Addict) by Walter Block
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEZnnP3scLU
Regarding marital infidelity, that’s a choice people make. Others may be emotionally hurt by it, and choose to live apart, but no crime has been committed (see above).
The War on Stupidity, or Public Schools, is actually one of the planks of Communism. It unnecessarily drains the wealh of the people, and invites statist indoctrination.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:27pmRepublicorp, What can I say? http://conpats.blogspot.com/2011/08/partial-audit-of-fed-found-16-billion.html
Paul wanted a full audit, Demint and Sanders watered it down to a partial audit. Why?
Report Post »Wat Tyler
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:28pm@ TIME_TO_BEGIN_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_2016:
Your views are more in line with Rudolf Hess.
@Republicorp
Corporations are Fascism 2.0
Report Post »TenguScriptures
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:47pmRon Paul is the only Republican candidate who swings enough Democrat votes to actually succeed as a 3rd party candidate.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 2:16pmKeep your eyes on this one, Blazers.
Man whose WMD lies led to 100,000 deaths confesses all
http://www.dailypaul.com/224284/man-whose-wmd-lies-led-to-100000-deaths-confesses-all
“He tries to defend his actions: “My main purpose was to topple the tyrant in Iraq because the longer this dictator remains in power, the more the Iraqi people will suffer from this regime’s oppression.”"
Report Post »PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 2:35pmHow far left has this present b/s president taken the country? He does not want to make us like Europe! He envies China. China has found a way to make Capitalism and Communism profitable. They have commie centralized big government and capitalism. This is what BS and all the loony state dept people want for America.
Report Post »NOW THE OPPOSITE Ron Paul wants us back to Constitutional Freedom.
Lately when I look at the GOP candidates I picture them as various breeds of dogs…I like dogs. I picture Romney as a great dane; Santorum as a german shepard; Gingrich as a bull dog; and Ron Paul as a grey hound. They are running a dog race and Ron Paul is actually way out in front, looking back saying come on you guys real, true freedom is this way; peace and prosperity too. He’s way out in front if you think about it. This country needs to be snapped way over to the right to even start to undo all the illegal, corrupt, communistic direction we a going. I like Ron Paul. He stands for the very basics of what is righteous. I used to be an independent….they’re all losers. Independents won’t commit; they don’t stand firm anywhere. I don‘t agree with Paul’s message on drugs, but what the government has done for the last 30 years isn’t working on that front either. I’m happy to be a fiscal, social conservative that remembers when the country at least had an illusion of freedom. God Bless the USA Small Government Now.. Be responsible & Be Free..anyone but the president of
colt1860
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 2:54pm@TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12 You’re full of crap. Like many others on here, I’m a Conservative, and have been a registered Republican all my life, and have only voted for Republicans. I’m a devout Christian. I’ve personally studied history and law. I do my own research. I support Paul’s candidacy.
In 1975, Ronald Reagan stated, “I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism”.
You don’t speak for me, as a Conservative, and you don’t speak for all Conservatives. You seem high minded, arrogant, and self righteous. May I remind you, as much as you may dislike other American’s political views, only in communist nations do one party systems exist, and only in communist nations is one political or philosophical view accepted.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 2:59pm@Jaycen You’re absolutely wrong. I don’t think you understand what Progressive means. It does not mean liberal or libertarian. Progressive implies, among a few other things, expanding Government to accomplish some special interest outside of Constitutional bounds… What has Paul done to grow Government, raise taxes, raise our debt, or increase Government powers? I’ll I hear are crickets.
I think you’re misinformed or plain out lying. Many times Paul has said that he DOESN’T want to run your life, the economy, or the private sector. ERGO, not a progressive. You’re like that little boy that keeps crying wolf, were there aren’t any!
Report Post »WakingSheep
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 3:24pmToo bad the the new Utopian Republican party (aka NEO-conservatives) had to cheat to keep the Paul delegates low. Now we will never know who truely won the GOP race.
You can find videos just like this from all over the country:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/stunning-video-gop-leaders-cheat-ron-paul/
Apparently Republicans cheat as much as democrats now.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 3:24pm@Jaycen,
“I’ve said it before, and I’ll keep repeating it – Ron Paul is a Progressive.”
No he isn’t.
See here.
Why the Left Fears Libertarianism
Report Post »http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory217.html
LibertyOrDeath12
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 3:25pm@therealconservative – Your speaking for every one else huh? Mr Know It All. We The People Want A Change, not the same ole BS. I don’t get my facts from Alex Jones. But I am sure you get your facts from Fox. What is the difference, they are all paid people that are doing there job reading off something. So do me a favor and be quiet. Your not a real conservative. The other three want the FED,than who do you support?
Report Post »WakingSheep
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 3:27pm@TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Report Post »You must be an Obama troll. Not once have you answered who you support?
I know it isn’t Paul (Obviously)
Which is it?
Flip-Flop Romney?
Kill em all Gingrich?
Theocratic Santorum?
or I hate America Obama?
A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 4:19pm@WakingSheep,
“You can find videos just like this from all over the country:
“http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/stunning-video-gop-leaders-cheat-ron-paul/
“Apparently Republicans cheat as much as democrats now.”
You’re just saying that because the lady at 08:35 is cute. :)
Report Post »resme
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 4:26pmAtleast when you vote for democRATS you know what you get, When you vote for republiCANTS you get only lip service. Balance the budget in 40 years that’s nice.
Social contract my foot, Libertarians want to put control back to the family. Not regulate your fantasies at the federal level.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 4:44pmAnarcho, I agree with you. Most of the people that post on here are Glenn and Fox followers. There are no leader types on here for freedom except the Paul supporters. Everyone else can be classified as Sheep or Cattle. They are the ones that will not take the time to do what is necessary for their candidates campaign, well maybe a very small handful, and go to the meetings and become delegates. This is why it is going to be surprising when we get to a brokered convention. With the true numbers I have researched, Paul is in the lead in delegates. I am counting the delegates that are commited on the first round of votes also. There are many Paul supporters that will have to vote for Romney on the first go round, but when he does not get the nomination on that first vote, all Paul supporters will vote for Paul on the second round. It is this way with Gingrich and Santorum delegates also. They cannot stop it, these followers here on The Blaze, and they are getting nervous. I mean, how nervous do you have to be to have a name such as Time_2_End_The_Paul_Campaign_In_12? I would say pretty nervous.
Report Post »Jefferson
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 5:09pmMessage to GOP:
Report Post »“ADAPT OR DIE”
Either the GOP re-commits to its PALEO-Conservative roots, or it will die on the vine.
If/when they put up another McStain part 2, they will LOSE and it will be THEIR fault.
I will not vote for the lesser of two evils. That is STILL evil.
I will NOT sacrifice principle for party.
We will NOT get fooled again.
See you in Tampa.
West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 8:35pmJefferson, You are right, if the GOP and its sheeple followers do not wake up soon, they will lose another chance and become irrelevant. They will not get the Paul, Independent or young vote, and they certainly will not pull in the disenfranchised Dem vote. They are on a losing battle with Romney, Santorum or Gingrich, they just do not realize it. They are a lot like the reps we have in Congress that do not realize that we are on a bus heading for a cliff. They realize that we are on the bus, but do not have a clue that there is a cliff just ahead.
Report Post »editor-in-chief
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:31pmI agree with you, Micah. Dr. Paul is principled about money, but I don’t agree with his foreign policy. But if he runs as a 3rd party candidate, it will, as you said, give Barack Obama his second term. I too will no longer respect him. That said, I can see him as Treasury secretary. Still, we MUST win this election. A second term of Barack Obama will either kill this country or put us on a path we might not want to take.
Report Post »Olivia
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 11:57pmRon Paul is a squeaky little mouse and he scares me almost as much as Obama. He lives in a dream world. In a perfect world his ideas would be good, butt, we don’t live in a perfect world. I am 65 yrs old and I can truly say, there has never been anyone that ran for President or who eventually won that scared me. I am in fear for my family especially my grand children and my country. That fear is caused by Obama and his corrupt radical Muslim friends. The candidate that causes almost as much fear is Ron Paul. He causes a different kind of fear. Because of his views on the military and how to deal with foreign leaders is so crazy I can’t even imagine someone thinking like he does. You can not call someone like Ahmadinejad on the phone and ask if he can meet you for lunch to discuss his desire to blow Israel and the USA off the planet.. He is a lunatic and if Ron Paul thinks you can deal with someone like him with an offer of friendship is as much of a lunatic as he is. He wants to legalize drugs and eliminate financial for kids who want to go to college but can’t afford it. The government wastes so much money, we could pay for every kid in the country to go to college. Ron Paul’s personality is to weak to be president and he is too old.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 12:17amUh, Congressman PAUL: NO THANKS! you has plenty of opportunity to BLOW THE WHISTLE and introduce legislation to cure a lot of what is wrong with the CONGRESS and you did not…or if you did, you were so inefficient and inept that it did NO GOOD. Was that perhaps because you were so busy running for PRESIDENT each election? Sit down. Shut up and take your rabid dogs with you.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 12:19am@editor-in-chief,
“Dr. Paul is principled about money, but I don’t agree with his foreign policy”
Why don‘t you agree with Ron Paul’s, and our Founders’, foreign policy?
Report Post »BigSky
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 2:14am@The_Almighty_Creestof: Oh boo-hoo. If he ran as a third party, and he should, and Obama wins re-election, it only cements the fact that the modern day GOP ain’t worth a bucket of spit. Ron Paul has never been a member of the Republican party since the mid-1980′s. He’s only stayed in the Republican party because he could never get elected as a Libertarian in a two party system. Well, those days of a two party system are slowly coming to a close.
Report Post »WakingSheep
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:51am@Olivia
Report Post »You are scared more of the boogeyman in the middle east than you are the government power grabs over the past 100 years?
You know what scares me:
NDAA
The Patriot Act
Obamacare
The homegrown terrorism act of 2007
Executive orders
un-Constitutional WARS
The FED, ATF, DHS, DEA, DOE, IRS, ect…
I could go on and on all day on lists of things that affect us here in the states.
BTW did we ever find those WMD’s in Iraq? Were Al-queda in Iraq at the time we invaded?
I cannot believe how blind people are to what is happening here in the U.S. while we worry about somebody out in the middle east with RPG‘s and AK47’s.
Did you know Bush SR, Clinton, and Bush JR all had a chance to stop the Iranians from developing nuclear weapons before the were radicalized under their latest leaders? We simply had to sit at the table with them and acknowledge the countries existence. Instead we built up over 50 military bases around the country. Well, common sense tells me if China were to build bases along our northern and southern borders; we would be building whatever we could to scare them back as well.
Then there is the financial side as well. WE CANNOT AFFORD THE WARS ANY LONGER.
Our we really going to go down in history as the greatest nation on Earth being taken down by a few in Washington because of their fear mongering?
WAKE UP!!!
Dudemau
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 11:10amI’ll lose respect if he does not run as a third party. Same reason I did not vote for McCain or Obama. This country needs to be shocked awake and it it takes another term of Obama so be it. Otherwise this country is just a bunch of dead men walking and deserves what it gets. Get off the blogs and get some people to vote and we won’t need to have this conversation.
Report Post »San Diego Boomer Lady
Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:36amThose who believe that if Ron Paul runs as a third party candidate would hand the election to Obama don’t remember what happened in 2008. Many Democrats and Independents voted for Obama in 2008 because they wouldn’t vote for McCain, and now they want to vote for Paul because he offers what they thought Obama was offering back then. But they refuse to register as Republicans to vote for Paul in the primary. The secret to winning an election isn’t only how many votes one gets, but how many votes one can take away from the opponent. Most Republicans will vote for the GOP nominee. The result will be that either Paul wins, or he helps the GOP candidate win by the votes he takes away from Obama. If Paul doesn‘t win the GOP nomination and doesn’t run as a third party candidate, it will be a repeat of 2008, and Obama will be re-elected because those disaffected Democrats and Independents will vote for Obama again because they won’t vote for any other Republican but Ron Paul. I campaign to Democrats and Independents, and this is what they all tell me. The latter group is 40% of registered voters, so either candidate must have as much support from this group as possible in order to win.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:51pmWhat I got out of the video…Ron says that if he can get 5200 college kids to come see him to learn about liberty..(sorry not word for word)…I’m thinking these college kids are coming to listen to him on his “ideas” on other things…such as legalizing drugs……just a hunch…I do like the fact that he won’t support Romney.
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:55pmi would submit that electing romney as the conservative alternative to obama is more indicative of drug use.
but hey, i’m just thinking for myself here…
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:03pmOk Bradley…Ron cannot get the nomination…he doesn’t have the support…will you then support Santorum, the second guy in the running…or are you gonna be like the rest of Paul’s supporters and say…Ron Paul or no-one…that in itself will get obama four more years…Ron Paul supporters for president are a bunch of hard headed patriots…that will take their ball home if they can’t win…right?
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:54pmyou see, i am not a republican, i am an independent. there were only 2 GOP candidates this cycle i would consider. paul and gary johnson.
i understand obama has been and would continue to be a disaster. i also understand that romney or santorum would be just as bad.
i have never (nor wil i ever) voted for the lesser of 2 evils.
i won‘t vote for a candidate i don’t trust or agree with. so it looks like i will explore 3rd party options this year.
Report Post »3monkeysmomma
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:02pmThe fact that you think that Dr. Paul is in favor of legalizing drugs shows you are letting Bill O and Dick Morris do your thinking for you and you haven‘t spent ONE SINGLE MINUTE trying to understand Paul’s position.
Ron Paul believes in the 10th amendment, not in legalizing drugs. The “War on Drugs” is a big expensive hoax. If the USA were serious about it, they would have closed the southern border thirty years ago.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:08pm“such as legalizing drugs”
Are you kidding. That’s the same crap the MSM spouts. How about high tuition costs for college? High gas prices? Devaluation of the dollar? High national debt? Numerous wars? Intrusive DHS? Infringement of our right to bear and keep arms? Secure borders? Adherence to the Constitution? Fiscally responsible? Private rights? Limited Government? And so on…
Report Post »Raider1
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:14pm@ Bradley…what your forgetting is that you will have to live here afterwards as well. I won’t vote for the lesser of two evils….yeah, I feel like that too…BUT I”M NOT AN IDIOT. Withholding your vote wont “teach anybody a lesson”. It‘s the same as voting for the one who’s most evil. So by voting you‘re making a pick and by not voting you’re making a pick.
Report Post »Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:16pm3monkeysmomma: Apparently you missed the debate where Ron Paul said that he was for legalizing drugs and for gay civil unions. His own words!
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:20pmI don’t watch Bill O or Dick Morris and as far as letting anyone think for me…hardly…I know Ron Paul’s stance on drugs…to sum it up…make it legal and all the nasty drug wars, drug king pins, over usage, inner city minority usage, all the violence, will suddenly all disappear because Americans have the right to choose to do any drugs they please..is that right?
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:29pm@godlovinmom Wrong. Funny thing is, out of all the problems our nation faces, the dang MSM, FOX included, can only choose two or three topics to talk about when it comes to Paul. Apparently they don’t care about the national debt, insecure borders, gun rights, private rights, etc. Paul WILL NOT make any drugs legal if he is President. If anyone says otherwise, its a distortion. Only congress can make laws. You’re wrong about your assumption that all problems will be solved. The point is that the Government isn’t improving anything, and just wasting time, money, and energy. Quite honestly, if that’s the most important topic you can ever choose to diss in order to make Paul look bad, then you have no idea what real problems our nation faces. You bring up drugs at every chance, just like the MSM. It doesn’t matter, its a moot topic.
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:36pm@raider
Report Post »i’m not trying to prove a point!
why should i have to vote for someone i don’t like at all?
resme
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:42pmThere is a difference in legalization and decriminalization.
Bradley is right voting for santorum,romney,and the grinch is most likely a side effect from years of alcohol abuse, or most likely legal prescription drugs abuse. Maybe you are just one of those blood thirsty christians. Iran has nice weather this year around, Free of gays and drugs.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:06pmummm Iran…I wouldn’t last ten minutes in that country..no thanks.
Report Post »Taldren
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:15pm@Mary M. Tebbe, Maybe you failed english in highschool … because he was for legalizing it FEDERALLY and allowing the states to deal with it through the 10th amendment. As it was intended.
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:20pmI don‘t know if I’m a conservative libertarian, or a libertarian leaning conservative, so I call myself a constitutionalist. I have to wonder about anyone who has knee-jerk reactions to any issue, in this case decriminalizing drugs. I admit, before I gave it serious thought, I was appalled that people wanted to legalize drugs. Then I really thought about it. For the conservatives who are diametrically opposed to the idea, may I ask you to parallel the drug argument with the one for gun control? When you criminalize drugs, only the criminals have drugs. Instead of legitimate business, we have thugs. What has happened since we declared the war on drugs? Has usage gone down? Has criminal activity due to drug use gone down? In short, NOPE. What has happened is we’ve provided a way for the worst sort among us to have revenues in the hundreds of billions of dollars, simultaneously spending billions to combat them and jailing the user. If I, or anyone reading this, wanted to get some kind of illegal drug right now, we could get it within 30 minutes. Since I’m in Indiana and booze cannot be sold on Sundays, I could more easily get a joint than I could a fifth of Jack. So I ask, how many of you would start using drugs if they became legal? I know I wouldn’t, and I‘m guessing most people wouldn’t. If we spent a fraction of the resources we use fighting the criminality on further education, I doubt we’d see an increase in drug usage at all, certainly not the major stuff.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:23pm@godlovinmom – You are forcing us Paul Supporters to pick the lesser evil. But we feel picking the lesser evil is still evil. Santorum is a BIG government conservative. He is more worried about the internet & pornography than the real issues of America. Stop saying Paul can’t be President because it is the biggest brainwashing technique in the book. We know our delegates & we know that the media is lying about the numbers so why would we just give in? Plus most Paul Supporters are independent & democrat. So we are not affecting the outcome, because we wouldn’t vote anyways. we would just stay home. Blame your self if Obama gets re-elected. If Romney wins, he will do the same thing Obama is doing anyways, so what is the point?? I am a Republican, but if guys like McCain want to push laws like the NDAA & Hr347 than i no longer trust them. I am writing in Paul.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:33pmPoiticianrcrooks “most paul supporters are independents and democrats”…that should tell you something right there.
Report Post »LibertyOrDeath12
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:49pm@godlovinmom – That goes & tells you that your a tool. They created a two party system and they got you hating one side. They played you. We will continue to lose until we realize that they created a two party system to stay in control.
Report Post »LibertyOrDeath12
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:52pm@godlovinmom – It is true, most are Independent & Democrat but now Republicans like him, other than the progressives. Either you get rid of the FED or never get Paul Supporters votes.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:07pmLiberty..I DON’T hate anyone…I just don’t agree with them..big difference..the only ones that say hateful things are liberal democrats and Ron Paul supporters…uninformed…dummies…tools..you know things like that.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:13pm@godlovinmom – Name calling? WOW.. you just topped it off. As I recall, the media has been name calling & bashing Ron Paul since the election started.. Every time I go to an event and show my support of Paul, some of you crazy progressives yell at me and call me names. Pathetic.. your all pathetic for following the BIG Governments foot steps. Expect the raping your going to get.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:19pmI never say PAULBOTS..I never call names…at least I try not to…When having a discussion with anyone…I strive to be an adult…apparently you’ve been running into the wrong kind of people…as far as your raping comment…inappropriate…don’t ya think…jeez buddy.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:29pmAfter reading this thread I have to comment. The issue of legalizing or decriminalizing drugs, really what would be the point of decriminalizing.
Report Post »Decriminalizing leaves production, distribution and profit in the hands of law breakers. Legalization would at least put the cartel out of business, functionally turning the govt into the cartel. Then MJ could be taxed and the ready availability would put illegal production away. In fact I would guess that most people would just grow their own. I am just speaking about Marijuana. Who would support legalizing (decriminalization, if you must) drugs like Meth, Crack or Heroin?
As to the good doctor the ONLY reason he is in the republican party is that he would have NO chance to win or even be heard as a libertarian.
At my core I am a libertarian, but see history for what it is and know that throughout time people have hurt other people and defending yourself is necessary. Basically, I don‘t care what you do as long as I don’t have to pay for it and it (behavior) doesn’t adversely affect other people.
justangry
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:06pmYup, the drug laws have done so well through the years. Even with all that money wasted, I could probably score any drug out there in less than an hour if I wanted. Your kids know how to score too!
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:20pmRAIDER1 Bots are NeoLibs pretending to be conservatives…….They are thrifty libs
Report Post »Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:25pm“RP can’t win“ ”RP can’t win” blah blah blah….
The only reason he can’t win is because most people are sheep that buy into the media hype. So if he ran 3rd party and people voted for what they believed in rather than media hype Obama and Romney would both lose.
If Obama gets another term with a 3rd party (Paul)…explain how it is Paul’s and his voters fault. Afterall they voted for what they believed in (totally the American way) rather than what they were told they “should do”.
I would point the finger at the sheep, for not having a mind of their own. Is this really what we strive to be as Americans? ……..Party slaves?
You guys go ahead and have fun with that….
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:27pmRepubliCorp
Report Post »I love the phrase “thrifty libs”. Can I use that? Great term.
KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:56pmGoodness, do you realize how many articles and interviews that are out there that Ron Paul has responded to that he has flat out said that he DOES NOT support legalizing drugs? But it is amazing there are still legions of people ignorantly spreading these lies. This is exactly why Romney is the front runner and Obama is our current President. We have a country full of ignoramus’ who refuse to find the truth and dig for facts but blindly follow propaganda. Ron Paul has said it a million times, if States want to legalize drugs then it should be a a State issue that can be voted on, not an issue for the Federal Government to decide. It was because of this that somehow it got twisted that Ron Paul wants to legalize heroin. Now if you got that from what he said above then you are beyond help.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:58pm@Ballot
“The only reason he can’t win is because most people are sheep that buy into the media hype”
Actually, the ONLY reason he can‘t win is WE THE PEOPLE don’t want Ron Paul.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:31pmColt…was not purposefully ignoring you…you and I have had this conversation before…yes I do bring up this drug thing alot…another one I bring up regarding Ron Paul is the legalizing of prostitution…which as you know…I believe is a bad policy too…lets just collect revenue off the backs of young men and women and not only can my daughter aspire to become a doctor or lawyer…she can become a Whore here in America….yippee…all this means to you guys is that I want to dictate your lives…a war mongering christian…an uninformed sheep baaaing my way along in life….nice
Report Post »gemologist
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:32pmHow many romney supporters are showing up to be his delegate?
Do any of you know how this actually works?
Republican primaries for noobs:
rnd 1 local, usually a couple people show up and nominate themselves as a delegate
rnd 2 county there is debate and haggling on who moves forward to be a delegate
rnd 3 state there is more of the same on a larger scale
rnd 4 part 1: delegates vote, in the case of bound votes they can vote for who they were instructed to or they can not vote at all,
rnd 4 part 2: delegates vote for the nominee they choose
this can differ state to state but that is usually how it works.
It does not matter if you have pledged delegates for romney or santorum of santa clause, if the delegates refuse to vote for them in the first round.
THIS IS A REPUBLIC and NOT a democracy.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 12:37am@godlovinmom I think that drug abuse and prostitution are abominations. I’m a devout Christian. No disrespect, but you portray yourself as if you’re holier than me. I’m NOT advocating for any of those things to become legal. The difference between your thinking, and mine, is that I still see this country as under a FEDERAL UNION OF SOVEREIGN STATES WITH A GENERAL GOVERNMENT UNDER A CONSTITUTION, while you see it as a NATIONAL FEDERATION WITH A CENTRAL GOVERNMENT RUN BY ELITE POLITICIANS. You see, when we keep the federal Government bound only to those duties delegated to it, the States reserve the power to regulate all those vices as harshly as they want. When the federal Government gets involved, States are limited in the amount of work they can do to improve societal ills. You think that by Paul being president, all these things would be legal. Wrong. That is an utter distortion. ONLY congress can write laws. I GUARANTEE YOU THAT CONGRESS WILL NOT LEGALIZE WHRDOM. ONLY GOD DICTATES MY LIFE. PERIOD. I strongly support a Constitutional Republic BECAUSE I’M A CHRISTIAN. Truth be told, the problem is not the Government, but an ever growing immoral and irreligious people. AND PLEASE, stop accusing me of wanting all these vices rampant in our society. That is absolutely not so.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 8:19amDMERWIN feel free to use it………
Report Post »Naps
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 11:13amFor every action there is an immediate reaction.
Report Post »Action=Ron Paul does not get the GOP nomination.
Reaction=Me immediately kissing my two children and apologizing for bringing them into such a corrupt and immoral society.
Ron Paul is the last shred of dignity and Integrity the GOP has left. Glenn,Rush,and Bill O can all go straight to hell when Obama gets reelected. Until then,Pray!
Texas Chris
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:37pmThere is a huge difference between “ending the drug war” and “legalizing drugs.”
Paul wants to end the federal funding of drug prohibition. According to Paul, it‘s not the federal government’s job to prohibit you from using drugs. The 10th Amendment backs up his belief.
If your state wants to keep them illegal, then they can foot the bill. If your state would rather legalize and tax/regulate, then that’s okay, too. If your state doesn’t care to tax/regulate, then they have that right as well.
It’s just not a constitutional authority of the federal government.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 2:00pmColt…I’m not sure why you think that I am holier than anyone…because I don’t think drugs, prositution should be legal in America…ummm okay.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 3:07pm@godlovinmom No, what you do is spout a bunch of assumptions, with no bases, and assume that my stance will be responsible for your daughter having a right to be a prostitute. When I say no such thing. You speak as if you know what’s best, and what’s not, based on opinion and feelings, not law or history. You make it seem as if I’m on a road to destruction, when in fact I’m looking for better SOLUTIONS to solve these very problems we face today.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 4:54pmColt…I just reread all my postings and not once did I say that YOU were headed down the road of destruction…I did spout off what I think would happen to America if these were legalized…and thats how I truly FEEL about it…history has shown us in the last fifty years how girls are being sexualized so lets just make prostitution legal..give them something to really aspire to..The only reason I responded to you is because you responded to me a couple times..didn‘t want you to think I wasn’t listening…apparently my friend, we feel differently about these things, and if you misread that..that I was somehow judging you…was not my intention at all..so sorry that you got that from me. :)
Report Post »sambachico
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 11:32pmfor all the B.S. on this site about Paul, visit http://www.ronpaulmyths.com for the quoted statements instead of fox news hearsay, including his stance on Israel. Today I spoke to someone at my church about Ron Paul who is a co-worker, and said he loves Paul except for the stance on Israel. I spoke with him on Ron‘s positions where he has stood for Israel’s independence, and he is now coming with me to the rally in Chico tomorrow, bringing home a copy of For Liberty DVD, and hopefully now have another brother in both Christ and Liberty. Liberty does bring people together, neoconservatism and warmongering does not. I can’t wait for the GOP to soil their pants when the Paul delegates show up to Tampa and the bickering and dealmaking begins. CA has 172 delegates up for grabs, and the Paul people will get 50+ percent of them.
Report Post »c.foster4722
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:49pm@BRODLY! Why don’t you go and pack your nose, or stick the neddle in your arm,and let the adults post comments that make sence, not like the BS that comes out of your mouth!!
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:53pmyeah, adults love to insult and generalize right?
Report Post »i suggest you take your own advice and let the REAL adults post.
PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:29pmSo wait… So your allowed to pop pills? Prescription pills are killing more Americans than any other drug out there & Alcohol abuse is worse than it’s ever been. Plus it causes death, so do me a favor hypocrite… drop the drug topic, because you lose every single time.
Report Post »LibertyOrDeath12
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:38pm@c.foster4722 – One of the biggest brainwashing techniques are telling some one the total opposite They say voting Paul is giving Obama the victory when really voting Rick, Newt Or Romney is giving the win to Obama.
Report Post »rawmilker
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:00pmozero will be thrown out of the WH before the election. His only hope to prolong his stay is for them to create hate & discontent amongst us.
So far he’s got the OWS group operatives deployed and now they are attempting to get things stirred up with the Martin case in hopes it will provicate violence. Pure Alinsky strategies….communists at work here.
Sheriff Arpaio’s posse is compiling more intel & evidence on obama. Sorry Barry, (or whatever your real name is)…. its not going away.
Don’t take the bait people, we will be rid of this commie operative soon enough. Then we’ll be able to get America back on track. The Alinsky deciple is not who he says he is.
Report Post »Preparing for civil Unrest
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:48pmMr Paul is a great man.It is a shame so many ignore our roots to the founding fathers which allows the progressives to dominate the election landscape :(
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:28pmWhoops sorry Quran…I believe the K is the American version of spelling…thought I’d better correct that before I get all beat up…anymore mistakes…just ignore them.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:46pmWhoops sorry again..responding to my other response…Ron Paul has got me all riled up ;)…
Report Post »LibertyOrDeath12
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:41pm@godlovinmom – If you love God than you should have principles. Thou Shall Not Kill? Jesus doesn’t want war, Jesus would never sign the NDAA. What about the Golden Rule?? Blow Back??? What about Freedom?? A true Christian knows it’s all about Freedom. Free to worship who you want or none at all.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:25pmYou are right Jesus doesn’t want war…but he’s in one…good vs evil… ring a bell?..I don’t want war either…doesn’t mean those other guys over in the middle east agree with me…cuz they don’t.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:52pm@godlovinmom – How do you know? So your telling all Muslims are bad? Indians are all bad?? You seem racist to me. They filled you in with all that propaganda. I have family in Libya. You have no idea what your talking about unless you go over there yourself and see it with your own eyes ok? There is evil every where & there is plenty of evil sitting right here in the U.S
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:00pmYou are right there is plenty of evil sitting right here in America…problem is they don’t want you dead…at least their not letting us know that…as for the muslim faith…seriously have you picked up a Quran lately…do you know that even if we were to survivie with them and convert to their faith…we are nothing but “dogs” to them…so you tell me who knows what.
Report Post »resme
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:55pm@godlovingmom, I’m friends with muslims from egypt,ksa,pakistan, all are friendly. Most people want to be left alone. It’s true they do not like us, But 99.99% would not pick up a gun to harm anyone. We have no business in the middle east we can defend ourselves from right here. I put America first, do you?
Remember Romney = Obama, Top contributors for both are goldman sachs one of the 10 banks that gather to meet the federal reserve a few times a year. Good informative video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRipVd5wxhI
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:02pmResme…if you think for one single minute I’m for Romney…you couldn’t be more wrong…as far as your percentage there…hard to believe that…I am not an idiot I know there are good muslims…I just really worry about the bad ones.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 4:03amI agree with RESME. We have no business being in the middle east. Let them fight their own battles…lets get our boys back, rebuild America, stop immigration for 5 years till we get a handle on it, guard our own borders, and revisit our foreign aid. Ron Paul is right on almost everything!
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 8:30amGIRLNURSE Paul vote No on putting troops on the border….. go figure
Report Post »Paul is a NeoLib much more in line with people like Code Pink
Simonne
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:44pmI may agree with Paul some issues but he really out there especially on foreign issues. Some of his followers are actually thugs & he has never tried to keep them in line.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:51pmYou need to study instead of listening to the MSM. His foreign policy is what the Founders would have wanted and it follows the Constitution. And we dont sit down for BS…No thugs. That is just dumb.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:16pmSimonne..I hear you…Ron wants to move our troops all home…never mind the fact that these idiots in the middle east would rather us be dead than alive and not because we’ve been in their lands for decades…it actually goes way back before then…you see we are infidels in their eyes…therefore we must all die…see Koran for evidence of that…personally I would much rather have our troops over there than here ..keeping an “eye” on them…according to some thats just religious fanaticism…whatever they may call it…I call it smart.
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:06pm@mom
What you are missing is the fact the people in the middle east will always hate us. We are just creating more problems. No matter how many roads, hospitals, bridges, schools and embassy we make, they will hate us.
I would rather take our chances here. Bring the troops home, make them come across the ocean and get past our military.
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety” – Benjamin Franklin
We are giving up or liberty(financial freedom) by paying for crap overseas in hopes they will like us. Even with Ron Paul’s foreign policy we have 4 times the military spending as the next closest country(China).
Here is a question. Are we only better military wise than China and the rest of the world because we outspend them? Is 4 times as much not enough?
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:13pm@Martin
“make them come across the ocean and get past our military.”
They already have. Does the ‘93 WTC bombing or 9/11 ring a bell?
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:23pmUnlike China we are free to have a military..not ruled by one..so the comparison is mute…we the people supply our forces to protect us…and if that means getting the bad guys before they come on American soil…I’m good with that.
Report Post »Copo
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:39pmHis foreign policy shows a clear lack of studying history. He always talks about studying history but based on his policies he must think that history started 250 years ago or something, because it was the non preemptive military strategy that doomed Rome. I like what he says on financial issues but I would leave the country if he won, I would not feel comfortable with someone who wouldn’t attack Japan if he knew about the Pearl Harbor attacks before hand being my commander and chief.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:46pm@godlovinmom The problem is not “getting the bad guys before they come on American soil”. The problem is nation building, undeclared wars, endless wars, spreading our troops thin, increasing the national debt, Big Government in bed with Big contractors, an ever expanding federal Government (TSA, DHS, FEMA, etc), and not using our resources here at home to protect our borders. I want the US to defend us, and to attack our enemies if they are a threat. Let’s do it constitutionally. No more ten year wars, 4 billion dollar embassies, and ever intrusive federal Government. How about we declare war, fight, win, and come back home? I don‘t get why some conservatives don’t get that. WE FREAKING FOUGHT WW2 IN FOUR YEARS, WE DECLARED IT, WON, CAME BACK HOME, and that was that. What the heck is going on when the most advanced and strongest military ever is STILL in the middle of a desert, ten years plus, fighting third world, dirt poor, rogue militants? Lest you forgot. The federal Government along with the city of New Orleans confiscated guns from Americans after Katrina. Bush had actual troops sent in during Katrina. The TSA was begun. FEMA was expanded. And the DHS was given extraordinary power. If that doesn’t concern you, then I hope you enjoy the next four years of this fascist Government that doesn’t care about your life or liberty. Fact is, all four other candidates would expand all former things mentioned… Wake up America…
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:47pm@MARTINEZ012577,
Report Post »Chere’ Dieux! Are you serious?!
It has been more than ten years since September 11,2001!
I beg you to get your learn on. you are a DHIMMI of the first order.
There is NO excuse for your lack of knowledge.
riseandshine
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:48pm@The Real Conservative….That’s funny.
Report Post »resme
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:53pmWas it 15 out of 19 who hijacked planes on 9/11 were from KSA. Oh darn invaded another wrong country. What’s this 20th time is the charm right?
Even the 93 bombing was carried out by a egyption, pakistan,one was usa citizen, other was what from the west bank? I don’t think you would like the chinese military marching down your street. I would think you would form a militia and try to remove them.
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:53pm@lucy
Posted to the wrong comment.
OK, what are you talking about? Yes I know when 911 happened. What does that have to do with anything? What does DHIMMI mean?
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:59pm@thereal
LOL, and what about our foreign policy stopped 911? As a matter of fact Osama bin Laden said on CBS in 1998 that he was bring the war to our soil because of our foreign policy.
Either you are ignorant or you run around with your fingers in your ears. I will post the link and you can learn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnhJwxYsomw&feature=related
You can choose not to to watch the CBS interview and learn(fingers in your ears) or stay ignorant. Your choice.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:43pm@Martin
Actually OBL called for a war with the U.S in late 96. It was a interview on CNN with Peter Arnett, the first time anyone heard of OBL.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:03pm@TheRealCon
CIA created al-Qaeda and gave $3 BILLION to Osama bin Laden
The US government trained, armed, funded and supported Osama bin Laden and his followers in Afghanistan during the cold war. With a huge investment of $3,000,000,000 (three billion US dollars), the CIA effectively created and nurtured bin Laden’s al-Qaeda terrorist network using American tax-payers money. Afghanistan is one of the world’s poorest countries, where such an enormous sum sum of money would have had extraordinary value.
BBC:
“…Bin Laden left Saudi Arabia in 1979 to fight
against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The
Afghan jihad was backed with American dollars
and had the blessing of the governments of Saudi
Arabia and Pakistan. He received security
training from the CIA itself.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/155236.stm
Forbes:
“…[Osama bin Laden] received military and
financial assistance from the intelligence services
of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the United States.”
http://www.forbes.com/charitable/2001/09/14/0914whoisobl.html
ABC :
“In the 1980s, bin Laden left his comfortable
Saudi home for Afghanistan to participate in the
Afghan jihad, or holy war, against the invading
forces of the Soviet Union – a cause that,
ironically, the United States funded, pouring
$3 billion into the Afghan resistance via the CIA.”
abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/binladen
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:20pm@Martin
“What does DHIMMI mean?”
You couldn’t find it on youtube? Putz
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:44pmBaddoggy
Report Post »The world has changed. Modern planes, ships and missiles render the unprepared as victims. It took literally 3 years before we were ready to really fight world war 2 after the military was left to dry on the vine after 1918. We got our asses handed to us in Korea in 1950, just 5 years after fielding the strongest military in the world. We were not ready for Viet-Nam. I know you will say those were unnecessary wars, and that may be. However, it is an excellent lesson about being prepared for THE necessary war. In fact it was our huge military build up during Reagan’s presidency that allowed us the luxury of NOT fighting the Soviets, but rather destroy their economy. The fact is, we really won’t know when the next necessary war will be. Lincoln didn’t, Wilson didn’t, Roosevelt really missed the clues, Truman didn’t and neither did Kennedy. That list has some presidents on it that are revered by their respective parties, just goes to show that no one is very good at knowing WHEN they will really need the military so it just might be a good idea to fully fund one at all times.
dmerwin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:50pmcolt1860
Report Post »Have to agree on the first part of your post. Our mission and foreign policy should be kill bad guys, ruin their infrastructure and leave. They just do not want to leave the middle ages. It’s like teaching a pig to sing, it annoys the pig and is a waste of your time (and money).
dmerwin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:54pmcolt1860
Report Post »After WW2 we did a LOT of nation building. We also just segued into the cold war. Patton was right.
therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:55pm@Colt
Nice rearch, but wrong.
We funded and trained the Afghan’s to fight against the Soviet Union, but OBL was a nobody trained as a supply clerk. He invented the stories of his ‘fighting’ the Soviets.
Sorry no MONEY OBL
OBL did not leave Saudi Arabia, he was exciled for trying to over throw the kingdom.
Sorry no MONEY from the U.S or Saudi Arabia.
Knowledge is a powerful tool
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:09pm@TheRealCon
“While in Afghanistan, [OBL] founded the Maktab al-Khidimat (MAK), which recruited fighters from around the world and imported equipment to aid the Afghan resistance against the Soviet army.”
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:14pm@dmerwin Not like today. Most of our troops came home. And our economy, industries, and development here at home went through the roof. Because we focused our energy and resources here at home. Sure, we left some overseas on reserve (bases, etc), but we didn’t engage in endless (undeclared) wars, hoping that some day we would win, and defeat our enemies. Of course, a decade or two later, the Executive Powers were expanded, and lots of discretion was giving to the President concerning war. THAT IS, because of the UN, IMF, etc. and many other globalist initiatives. This was NOT intended by our founding fathers. They intended for our AMERICAN Representatives here at home to debate the issues in Congress, and not have foreign Marxist international organizations dictate our foreign policy.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:48pm@Colt
Nice to see you researched. But the internet is full of let say ‘Stories’.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:57pm@Colt
Unlike Bradley Manning, who Ron Paul called a patriot, I won’t discuss information
Report Post »tropolis
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:43pmI agree, I also think the anybody but Obama mindless bots are idiots who have no core values or principles.
I refuse to vote for who the GOP tells me to vote for.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:34pmMaybe in 2008 it was anybody but Obama but I am not making the same mistake twice.
Report Post »Texas Chris
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:41pmYou vote for the person you believe in.
You DON’T vote for a party, or against a party.
If there’s not a person you truely believe in, then you don’t vote. Period.
Report Post »marybethelizabeth
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:41pmDr. Paul is wrong. He believes a fairy tale.
Republicans have always made the protection of the privileges of the elite their number one goal.
They are still doing that.
When the DLC took over the Democratic Party in the 1990′s they made it their goal as well.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:45pmThe DEMOCRAT Party is made up of Socialists, Communists, Anarchist’s, Unionist’s, Progressive’s, . Funny that anyone would care what , you, A DEMOCRAT says about what a Republican believes.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:41pmMARYBETHELIZABETH,
Dr. Paul believes in Fairytales?! He may.
Report Post »You believe in anarchy and chaos. Which is worse?!
Texas Chris
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:46pmYou associate anarchy with chaos? Please allow me to pose a question. You have two choices as to how to organize society:
One is the free, peaceful association of individuals, respect for property rights, and strong individual self defense;
The other is a system imposed on unwilling participents, enforced by violence and the threat of violence, where property rights are violated, the individual is subjugated for the greater good, and the individual has no right to defend himself from encroachment.
The first is anarchy; the second government. ALL forms of government.
Report Post »bristoltrucker
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:41pmRon Paul intentionally ignores the history of the U.S. when it comes to our problems with Islam and it’s followers. He continues to lie to those listening to him that if we would just leave the middle east that muslims would stop attacking us. But the truth isn’t in his statements. Muslims began attacking American citizens immediately upon the U.S. winning our freedom from England. At that time we had no soldiers in the middle east. When Thomas Jefferson, before he was elected president, asked the Moroccon envoy why that muslims attacked our merchant ships and citizens. He was told it was because the Koran (the spelling Jefferson used in his letters about this) told them to. That is the same reason that the “Islamic Extremests” tell us they are doing it today.
As long as Ron Paul doesn‘t get the real danger that Islam and it’s followers pose to the world he is not the right person for the office of the presidency. I think he would be a great secretary of the treasury though. His fiscal policies are exactly what we need to be trying to implement.
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:52pmyou islamophobia is shocking.
Report Post »i’m sure hitler said similar things about jews (just to put your statements into persective).
soybomb315
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:59pmthe barbary pirates were….pirates. they were not attacking any country – they were seizing vessels at sea. They enslaved hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of white people, mostly europeans.
why is it that the islamic terrorists have not targeted canada, south america, or east asia (their backyard)?
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:22pmIslam’s goal is to overtake the whole world..and the Bush administration really stopped that didn’t it? Bush was in bed with the Muslims.. In 1964 or 1965 a partial Jew Congressman wanted to accept Holocaust survivors and so made a law to accept anyone here..The muslims as I have understood have been coming in at approx 11,000 per month..and tens of thousands by executive order.. 350 Arab Muslims were invited into key positions of our government..does anyone have a plan to eradicate that? Nope..Did Ron Paul?…by sticking to the Constitution…Yes.. It is too late now..Control control control..
Report Post »What_Did_I_Miss
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:23pm@BristolTrucker
Report Post »Your history is correct. As a young nation, Somewhere in 1801 and for about 4-5 years later, we did have to send our navy/marines into war against the Islamic pirates. That is the origin of the “shores of Tripoli” reference in the marine hymn. Our marines fought the Barbary Pirates (Berber Muslims) that were attacking our merchant vessels.
Also, the scourge of slavery in our country, has Muslim roots. Slavery was common in early history as people were captured into slavery for building pyramids, temples, roads… The Muslims
were big in the gathering and selling of slaves. Unfortunately, we had people in our country, that were willing customers. I went all the way through public schools thinking that slavery was something that we had invented and orchestrated. Never was the Muslim influence referenced.
All cultures have enough sins to be ashamed about without heaping on extras or comparing to get a relative morality going.
Ron Paul’s stance of taking a humble foreign policy has some merit. I can understand country being tired of us meddling in their affairs. I’d prefer to have a ready, well trained, fiercely capable, but relatively inactive military where we would leave others alone. However, if they attack us, we retaliate at a ferocious level to send the message that messing with us is not profitable.
Trying to control the world militarily is the folly of empires. A little reading of history will teach the ultimate fate of
bristoltrucker
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:24pmIt isn’t phobia when you have looked at the entire history of Islam, what they are doing today, and what their book of Quran demands they do. It is a fact that Islam is a theocratic political system that has a goal of forcing every person on the earth to either convert to Islam, become a slave to Islam or to be executed for their rejection of Islam.
Report Post »Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:07pmwhat_did_I_miss: If we want to remember history, try to recall that we are ancient Israelites and that the descendants of our earliest times were captives/slaves in Egypt for 400 years. We are of the ancient tribe of East Manasseh the-man-of-war and West Manasseh the agriculturist. Our ancient Israelite ancestors were the slaves in Egypt that built the pyramids and the great cities of the Pharaoh’s.
Report Post »Later on in history the Israelites became the slaves of Assyria, and then Babylon. As Germanic peoples we were also sold as slaves to many other nations, including Greece and Italy. We have had our share of bitter enslavement.
Now there are those that wish to enslave us again…the progressives who I refer to often as the Assyrian/Goths who traveled through the pages of history with the descendants of the Lost Tribes of Israel; and also by the Islamists of today that wish to enslave us. We know peril on every side, and UNTIL we return to our God Almighty, The God of Israel, and REPENT, we will be hounded on every side.
KidCharlemagne
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:09pmbristoltrucker
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:41pm
As long as Ron Paul doesn‘t get the real danger that Islam and it’s followers pose to the world he is not the right person for the office of the presidency.
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You’re on crack if you believe that….
Osama bin Laden himself stated that his goal was to drag the U.S. into every Middle East conflict that he could so that the U.S. would bankrupt itself (just like he did to the Soviet Union):
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“Bin Laden: Goal is to bankrupt U.S.
November 01, 2004
“We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah,” bin Laden said in the transcript.
He said the mujahedeen fighters did the same thing to the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s, “using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers.”
“We, alongside the mujahedeen, bled Russia for 10 years until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat,” bin Laden said.
Report Post »http://articles.cnn.com/2004-11-01/world/binladen.tape_1_al-jazeera-qaeda-bin?_s=PM:WORLD
martinez012577
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:13pm@bristol
If our military is protecting our boarders what nation is going to attack us? Iran? Syria? Afghanistan? Please wake up, we are the only country in the world that can even do the logistics to have a war over an ocean.
You can say well, terrorists can attack. Yes they can, and us being overseas will not stop that. Hell if anything it encourages terrorists to attack. Look we have killed a lot of people. You dont think the fathers, sons, and brothers of those who may have been killed by accident arent militant now? Think about 911. We were attacked and we rallied as a nation. Same thing happens in other nations.
Report Post »Copo
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:43pm@Bradley Yeah, Hitler said the Jews were evil then declared war on them, the difference is Bush didn’t say the Muslims were evil then declare war on them, the Muslims said we were evil, hijacked 4 planes, crashed 2 into the twin towers, 1 into the pentagon, and 1 into the ground in Shanksville Pennsylvania, then Bush declared war on them.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:53pm@BRADLEY,
Re Islamofascism…,it EXISTS!
Tres hilarious you are bringing Hitler into the mix!
YOU would have been one of the German Citizens of the times ignoring the cattle cars loaded with humans headed to the concentration camps.
You are Sgt. Shultz…,“I know nothing”!
Get your learn on Brad! You are a DHIMMI!
Report Post »resme
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:01pm@copo, 15 out of 19 were from KSA. Why haven’t we invaded them? You can’t declare war on a entire country for a small group of radicals. Under a Ron Paul admin he would declare war through congress win it in weeks and get it over with, Not 10 years bombing and rebuilding the bombed building.
Even paul knew bin laden was in pakistan. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=65j0WCGEp4g)
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:05pmreally?
yet you would vote for a candidate who supports the NDAA that allows the government to move YOU AND I to a detention center (concentration camp?) without trial?
you do realize you come across flippant and woefully ignorant right?
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:15pm@Lucy Larue – If the media talked about Paul like they did to Romney, it would already be a landslide victory against Obama, but the lamestream are controlled by Liberals/Commies Who want control over you.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:39pm@MARY M TEBBE I always enjoy reading your posts.. I have thought that we might be of the lost tribes.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:05pmCopo
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:43pm
@Bradley Yeah, Hitler said the Jews were evil then declared war on them, the difference is Bush didn’t say the Muslims were evil then declare war on them, the Muslims said we were evil, hijacked 4 planes, crashed 2 into the twin towers, 1 into the pentagon, and 1 into the ground in Shanksville Pennsylvania, then Bush declared war on them.
Touche, game, match, set.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:17pmmartinez012577
Report Post »You are right about a CONVENTIONAL war where we assemble our army and they assemble theirs. But how about this scenario.
10-50 Radical Muslims travel to Mexico, buy Eric Holder weapons from a drug cartel, contract with the same cartel to bring them into the country. Travel to 5-10 different malls or sports events or movie theaters and shoot a bunch of Americans and blow themselves up?
Or 3% of containers shipped to the US are searched at the ports of entry. Ironically, the exact same percentage as before 9/11. The ships are generally registered in countries with low taxes and regulatory interference. On one of those ships MIGHT be a container full of say, fertilizer. A truck picks it up, a man adds diesel and drives the container to maybe a parade site. BOOM. The islamists know they cannot fight us conventionally so they don’t WTC 1993, WTC 2011, Beirut Marine barracks. Hamas missile attacks at Israel.
But say maybe China finishes it’s second carrier, China is currently siding with Iran. Opens up a whole new set of problems.
cous1933
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:02pm@Copo & Dmerwin,
“- then Bush delared war on them”
Would either of you please direct me to the part of The U.S. Constitution that gives the President the authority to declare war?
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:55pmcous1933
Report Post »Only congress can legally declare war. We all know that but for MANY years we have had a huge bunch of spineless politicians who have effectively given that power over to the president. So they can say things like“I voted for the war before I voted against it”. That IS the reality in America today. I wish it weren’t, but it will take a WHOLE lot more than a Paul presidency to go back to the original intent of the constitution in any area. Perhaps even more important than which republican becomes president is do we elect more conservative Senators and Congressmen.
SPOT_OF_TEA
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:41pmThats great Ron…..But we’re a little busy right now trying to save the country….Thanks anyway.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:47pmAgree!
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:47pmsaving the country with more debt, wars, and legislation that allows american citzens to be detained indefinately without trial?
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:02pmsave the country via mitt romney…LMAO
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:20pmFor that matter..being that Ron Paul has been in Washington for as long as he has…how come he hasn’t done anyhting like that yet…Sarah Palin has been in the national public eye for a few short years and I’ve gotten more out of her than Ron Paul in the last 30 years.
Report Post »Slapstiq
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:20pmYour helping destroy it. Tea Party, thanks for the Constitution wish more of you would have read it. Crying out about the debt. Cut Spending. Support someone who would. You see a government out of control and you want to put a candidate with all the wrong connections. To balance a budget in thirty years. Thanks Ryan, way to bring urgency to the issue.
Report Post »LibertyOrDeath12
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:57pm@SPOT_OF_TEA – What are you doing by saving our Country? Our you out in the streets fighting for your rights? No!!
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:20pm@SPOT_OF_TEA – Tea Party are hypocrites. They hold Don’t Tread On Me Signs and post Liberty. What is Liberty when they can kill you with out trial? What is liberty when they take our guns away? What is liberty when you can’t protest? What are you fighting for??/ To Beat Obama… Ohh WOW!! Have fun fighting all over again when your so called Golden Ticket White Obama wins.
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:40pmi think he is trying to save the GOP, republicans are a dying breed. they are alienating the youth and independents. not a good long-term strategy.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:35pmThe Republican Party has changed. They are no longer conservative.
Report Post »MetalPatriot
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:39pmI’m in no way a “Paul-bot”…however, his fiscal & Constitutional message is sorely needed. I agree with some here that the GOP co-opted the Tea movement. It’s very apparent that many of us now share the opinion of voting for anyone except Obama.
The “conservative” candidates all have signs of Progressive streaks. Romney will get the nomination and though he’s a successful business man, he has a weak (at best) message. He has no vision for the country. Santorum would have been my choice.
I find it deeply concerning that none of the candidates talk about our military strategy. It’s all about economy & abortion. Maybe, just maybe, character & morality should be a topic to be debated.
I fear nobody would show up to debate….or listen.
Report Post »Wat Tyler
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:37pmToo late. GOP is a lost cause, controlled by corrupt globalist neo-cons.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/15-03-2012/120788-demise_russia_usa-0/
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:57pmYou nailed it!
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:48pm@therealconservative
Report Post »For the last time, he endorsed Chuck Baldwin of the constitution party in ‘08. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your lies.
therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:13pm@DIS
Paul encourged his supporters to vote for these lib’s (Endorsement).
Don’t let the facts get in the way of your lies.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:37pm@TheRealCon
Only because each signed onto a policy statement that calls for “balancing budgets, bring troops home, personal liberties and investigating the Federal Reserve,” a Paul aide said.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:09pm@Colt
Thank you for explaining this to us. It all so clear now, how a ‘SUPPOTER’ of the Constitution would endorse Extreme Leftist because they ‘Pinky Swore’ they were not LEFTIST.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 3:10pm@therealcon Not exactly. The pledge was open to all congressman. Paul had promised to endorse any representative that takes the challenge. He DIDN’T CHOOSE leftists.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:31pmPlease Ron. Don’t.
Report Post »Eternal Lucy
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:19pmRon Paul’s a lib.
How do I know? All my really liberal friends love him.
Report Post »Texas Chris
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:39pmLiberals love Ron Paul because he follows the constitution on foreign policy. Liberals hate Ron Paul because he follows the constitution on domestic policy.
Conservatives love Ron Paul because he follows the constitution on domestic policy. Conservatives hate Ron Paul because he follows the constitution on foreign policy.
But in the end, Ron Paul follows the constitution.
Report Post »cassandra
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:27pmI believe Ron wanting to save the Republic but he apologizes for America’s strength more than obama does,
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:34pmPlease put the quote here of Ron Paul apologizing for America’s strength. Add links to prove your point.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:37pmhe recognizes some of the big mistakes we have made in the past – in order for us to learn our lessons. The alternative is to pretend that we never make mistakes and continue making them…
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:40pmYep — you’re right abt that. I love much of his domestic ideas, but his foreign ideas are naive in today’s world. We lost the ability to remain on the world’s sidelines after the Spanish-American War and especially WWI. We picked the winners and losers in Europe and forever changed our own world. We were too tempted to become imperial as Europe had done, and yet, we knew so little abt how to do imperial. We still don’t know how to do imperial power, even today. It’s just not in a psyche. We never did know what to do w/the Philippines, Guam, Puerto Rico, etc.
We are better at mentoring – witness Japan and South Korea after their disastrous wars. They have strong, independent democratic forms that fit their cultures.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:08pmwe have not “mentored” japan and S Korea – we have SUBSIDIZED them. We pay for ALL of japan‘s defense and almost all of S Korea’s defense. Any country in the world will flourish when they dont have to worry about wasting money on defense budget…Our defense budget is something like $700 billion, could you imagine cutting taxes by $700 billion a year?
If we cant sit on the sidelines of any wars going on around the world – then we ought to just conquer everybody
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:22pmRon Paul doesn’t care about the Republican party being saved. He’s not a Republican. Fact is, he’s has a grudge against the Republican party for decades. That’s why he created his cult and conditioned them to help 0bama get reelected.
I saw him today. He refused to say he would support the Republican candidate. He’ll probably wind up endorsing 0bama.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:28pmyou call yourself a republican and you have just proved his point
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:28pmso you would support anyone who was the GOP candidate putting party over principle?
ever wonder why america is in shambles?
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:30pmWrong! he’ll endorse the candidate that represents his values, which will probably be either the libertarian or constitution party candidate. Its called integrity….So, have fun voting for Romeny the liberal. Just don’t EVER lecture anyone on “conservative” values again after doing so.
Report Post »Deal?
NotBigBooteeitsBigButtay
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:31pmIt sounds like you are saying there is no room for the Constitution in the Republican Party.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:38pm@Br@dley
There will only be two realistic choices* – 0bama or the Republican candidate. If you tell me that any of the Republican candidates would be as bad as 0bama, that will prove that you are totally ignorant of who 0bama is and what he has planned.
* Notice I said “realistic”. A write-in vote for Ron Paul is a vote for 0bama. All sane people know that.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:38pm@DISS
“he’ll endorse the candidate that represents his values”
You mean like the people he endorsed in 08. Cynthia McKinny and Ralpn Nader.
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:39pmI wouldnt support Obama, Satan, Al Sharpton, Lady Ga Ga, or grapefruit as the GOP nominee either. Why? Because I dont share the same principles with them.
Saying you are a republican or democrat means nothing if they both vote for the same things and just want to take different routes to get to the same place. I dont want to go to the place the R and D want to take us.
Posts like this Willie prove you have little to no understanding of what is going on. Its sad really. I feel sorry for you.
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:42pm@thereal
He didnt endorse them. Your propaganda is no different than the rest of the lame media. Post your link where Ron Paul endorsed them.
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:44pm@willie
romney laid the blueprint for obamacare.
romney supports the NDAA and patriot act.
romney supports bailouts.
the fact that you actually think there’s a difference PROVES your ignorance.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:51pm@Martin
http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2011/12/21/ron_paul_hates_republicans_and_everything_they_stand_for/
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/09/ron-paul-to-announce-presidential-endorsement-plans/
Report Post »TheePolitinator
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:52pmCult, LMAO. You people realize this “cult” are Americans right? Calling grandma in a wheelchair weaving a flag proud of this Nations Patriotism a “terrorist”. Wake up. Both parties are equally corrupted, our Gov’t was overthrown in 1913. FACT. Research it thoroughly if you conclude anything different your simply an imbecile. And deserve the world these globalists are trying to create right under your ill informed noses. This is a Nation of FREE men and in the end we will stand United Against this divide and tyranny, I have faith in that. I also have faith in my research over the last ten years. And I have concluded one thing. We have an over abundance of traitors and domestic terrorists right here. Rich elitist slime that wish to destroy this nation. And the funny thing is you all that support it don’t even realize once they achieve their goal you will NOT be a member of their exclusive club. Your tools of an agenda and you are being manipulated by it. LEMMINGS all of you. Shame on any American that can’t see truth, keep drinking the Kool-Aid. I choose freedom and will do ANYTHING to defend it PERIOD. I AM AMERICAN, not Demorat, or Repubocrat, knowledge, pass it on!!
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:57pm@Br@dley
None of those things have a speck of anything to do with the plan 0bama is implementing and is near completing. The first job is to interrupt that plan. After that we might have a chance to get things fixed. If 0bama gets another term, we can all forget it. It will be over.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:03pm@TheePolitinator
Report Post »Yes, indeed, a cult. A supporter of a candidate believes their candidate is the best of the lot. A cult member believes that their leader is the ONLY one on earth who can save America and that EVERYBODY ELSE is exactly the same and equally evil.
soybomb315
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:20pmIts real simple. here are the definitions…
Report Post »establishment = party above principles
conservative =principles above party
qpwillie
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:25pm@soybomb315
Report Post »A person who would do something that they know would harm the country, such as helping 0bama get reelected is pretty much devoid of any real principles.
soybomb315
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:38pmwhen i take my 4 year old to a restaurant, she sometimes throws a tantrum. In those moments, it would be easy to give in to whatever she wants so i can eat dinner in peace. But then i have to realize that if i give in, i am just reinforcing the bad behavior and it will be worse in the future….get my point?
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:54pm@soybomb315
Report Post »A tantrum is exactly what the Paulbots are throwing; “I want Ron Paul and if I can’t have him, I’ll just destroy the country once-for-all where nobody will ever have a chance to fix it again.”
bristoltrucker
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:07pmWhen the GOP rejected Ron Paul in 2008, he turned his back on the party once again and endorsed someone other than McCain. At that point Ron Paul lost credibility with any real member of the republican party. The ones you see ranting online about how great paul is and how he is the only hope of the GOP are not truly members of the GOP. If they were, they wouldn’t be saying that they will vote for somoene other the GOP candidate, and they especially would never say they would vote for Obama over any of the GOP candidates. Ron Paul endorsed Chuck Baldwin 2008, and here is the link to the announcement by Paul from 9-23-2008: http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-09-23/ron-paul-endorses-chuck-baldwin-for-president/
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:39pmQPWILLIE,
Report Post »You sir are correct! Merci!
soybomb315
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:33pmi fail to see how voting for ron paul is destroying the country…seems like democrats and republicans have been at it for generations
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:46pm@lucy
What are you talking about?
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:49pm@thereal
Nice links. The problem is you didnt read them.
Ron Paul encouraged his supporters to vote third party. Yes, Nader and Mckinney were running third party but so was Chuck Baldwin the man Ron Paul endorsed.
Nice try, reading headlines instead of reading the article makes you look stupid.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:58pmtherealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:38pm
“he’ll endorse the candidate that represents his values”
You mean like the people he endorsed in 08. Cynthia McKinny and Ralpn Nader.
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Never happened……
You’re just making stuff up:
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“Ron Paul Endorses Chuck Baldwin for President
September 23, 2008
I’ve thought about the unsolicited advice from the Libertarian Party candidate, and he has convinced me to reject my neutral stance in the November election. I’m supporting Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party candidate.”
Report Post »http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-09-23/ron-paul-endorses-chuck-baldwin-for-president/
therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:51pm@Martin
I read the articles, Paul encourged his supporters to vote for these lib’s (Endorsement).
Nice try, SPINNING article makes you look stupid.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:54pm@qpwillie – How can you say that? Romney is a liberal. He is the exact same as Obama.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:55pm@Kidd
Try going going to a source that isn’t from Ron Paul.
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:52pmBristol,
You are correct that in 2008 Ron Paul endorsed the Constitution Party candidate, Chuck Baldwin over the progressive, big-government statist GOP candidate John McCain.
Chuck Baldwin is a true conservative. John McCain is a liberal. Ron Paul made the principled choice.
That is the entire problem with the GOP – no principles at all.
I have voted straight Republican since 1980 and I will never again in my life vote for a party. I will only vote for an honest, conservative candidate with outstanding character. In the 2012 Presidential race, only Ron Paul fits that bill.
The fact is that there is no real difference between Republicans and Democrats today. Both parties grow the federal government. Both overspend by trillions. Both want to control your life. Both want to spread our empire. Both choose the path to ruin. Both are equally corrupt. The dedicated followers of each are equally oblivious.
Report Post »resme
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 10:43pmI’ve thought about the unsolicited advice from the Libertarian Party candidate, and he has convinced me to reject my neutral stance in the November election. I’m supporting Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party candidate. ~ ron paul
Sad paul haters.
Report Post »NotBigBooteeitsBigButtay
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:22pmThe other candidates are running via popularity contest. Paul runs on principle. Principle that has remained beholden to the Constitution for the entire time of his tenure in Congress.
All other candidates promise to throw us a bone here & there, but they will also toss the progressives many bones.
Report Post »EddardinWinter
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:40pmRon Paul is a career politician. We will never fix Congress without term limits, which Congress will never pass. As long as Congress is dominated by career politicians it will never do its job properly.
The answer is for us as citizens is to push for 3/4 of the state legislatures to amend the Constitution to place six year term limits on every member of Congress, period. This will fix 90% of our problems.
Term limits reduce corruption
Term limits eliminate Congress allowing their responsibilities to be pawned off on blue ribbon panels, the EPA, etc.
Term limits would produce a balanced budget, cause no one cares about their re-election and stopping spending.
Term limits retire every career politician in Congress, and return it to a part time service.
We need this now. Take it to your state legislature today!
Report Post »NotBigBooteeitsBigButtay
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:15pmEdd – Agree on your solutions.
Just don‘t agree that the one and only example of a career politician that actually hasn’t been corrupted is part of the problem.
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:37pmEw
Report Post »We have term limits, called elections. Problem is these losers are representatve of our loser citizens that vote for politicians that represent more politics. I say pay them the medan income of there respective district. They can use theVA for medical while in office and contribute to social insecurity. No other benefits at all. Public service is not career and if it is the only thing you represent is big government.
EddardinWinter
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:58pmBeck-
Report Post »Who votes to decide pay and benefits? Congress. You think they are gonna vote for that? A term limit amendment fixes the problem at its roots. I cannot see another way to fix Congress. No way to make a career of it in six years. Once actual citizens are doimg the job, the other issues can be addressed.
Rational Man
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:19pmMessiah complex much like Obama……..Pretty funny, really……………….
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:26pmwhat’s funny is that you will be voting for white obama to get the real one out of office.
schmuck.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:47pmI can’t help it if there are no good candidates to vote for…..Not my fault!
I may be a “schmuck” to you, but at least I’m not a Paulistian. I feel really good about myself for that!
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:54pmI you were really rational you would realize how stupid your post is…
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:15pm@Baddoggy
Sticks and stones, troll boy, sticks and stones…………….
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:55pm@BRADLEY,
Report Post »OMG!!!!! Do you not get it? YOU are the SCHMUCK! UGH!
Why are you so lazy? The truth is out there. Why do you buy into propaganda?!
PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:22pm@Lucy Larue – Keep calling us names & keep bashing Paul and see how fast you don’t get our votes.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:49pm@Pol
I didn’t know Lucy Larue was running for President.
@Lucy Larue you got my vote.
Report Post »VoteRightDammit
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:17pm“‘I’m Trying to Save the Republican Party’”
That’s actually true. The GOP ‘establishment’ is clinging to power at the expense of all else. Take Carl Rove as the preeminent example.
Instead of squaring off against OBastard, they have tried to fiddle and not anger anyone. In so doing they not only angered their base but independents as well. Why support them if they are the same in different clothing?
For the first time in my adult life I’m ready to support a 3rd party candidate, even if that guarantees the GOP anointed candidate loses to OBastard.
Report Post »NotBigBooteeitsBigButtay
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:25pmI am a 3rd party virgin too. But it seems the Republicans are not as fed up as I am yet. I vowed no more “lesser of 2 evils” after voting for McCain and feeling violated afterward.
Maybe another 4 years of Obama will be enough to motivate them?
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:04pmVOTERIGHTDAMMIT,
I understand your frustration. I do!
May I say to you….,this is probably NOT the time in our nation’s History to take a stand and vote 3rd. Party. You do understand that if you do we will have 4 more years of “Hope and Change”…,Non? It is the proverbial cutting your nose to spite your face. Again…,Non?
What you should do is make sure that you are familiar with ALL candidates in your district running for Congress. Find someone you believe in and support them however you can.
If Romney is the GOP pick you may not be happy. A lot of people may not be happy. But we can be assured that he will not issue Executive orders in the dead of night that makes our Congress irrelevant. He will not appoint Radical Czars to undermine our Constitution. He will not initiate a deliberate campaign to destroy small business. There’s more. I will spare you. I will.
Can you see VOTERIGHTDAMMIT the folly of a third party vote?!
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:15pmDo you hear that – its your inner conscience telling you he is right once again
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:25pmI can’t hear it over my own laughing out loud……………
Not that the GOP doesn’t need fixing. It does!
If “Dr.” Paul wants to do surgery on a group of people or organization, he should start with his own “followers” first.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:29pmwhere should he start?
Report Post »Texas Chris
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:50pmGood thing Dr. Paul is an Ob/Gyn, because that‘s what it’ll take to deliver a new baby GOP from the giant vag!nas running it right now.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:07pmYou can’t save the Republican party from themselves. It is infiltrated by RINOs. The people aren’t listened to anymore. We have banded together and we call ourselves “THE TEA PARTY”. We are everywhere. We don’t even have to fill out a membership card. WE JUST BELONG.
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:13pmyet tea party candidates like west, scott, demint voted in favor of NDAA. you cant trust the tea party anymore either, it was copted by big government tyrants.
i find it funny that limbaugh indentifies with the tea party and complained about the establishment GOP.
HE IS THE FREAKING MOUTH PIECE OF THE GOP ESTABLISHMENT!
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:21pmif the socialists can take over the democrats – then surely the constitutionalists can take over the republican party…
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:53pmYes and the Sheeple are going to go right along and never learn their lesson. Look at what McCain did to us…..so we’re going to let it happen again with Mitt Romney the liberal-Big government panzi.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 5:59pm@BRADLEY,
Give it up Honey Bunny. You spew propagandandistic talking points.
Report Post »David Brock and media Matters are not giving out prizes. They lied to you. Got it?
LibertyOrDeath12
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:59pm@Lucy Larue – You know what? I am tired of you Progressives. So called Conservatives LOL. Just wait until the Tampa Convention. You Progressives are going to be REAL mad.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:06pmHe’s a doctor. He should know that you can‘t save a patient that doesn’t want to be helped.
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:01pmGood point.
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 12:15amI surely don’t fault the doctor for trying to save the Republican Party, and I don’t much blame the Republican voters.The rotten, corrupt, criminal machine would never allow such a thing to happen.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:06pm2016 TEA party or Libertarian, or constitution if there is a republic left.
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:03pmWho’s Ron Paul?
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:23pmLOL, good one. I will help you out with who he is though. He is the only candidate different from Obama. He is the only candidate that wants to restore the Constitution. He is the only candidate that has a budget that cuts money from current spending levels.
Your “funny” joke will be really funny when your nominee( Romney ) loses in a landslide to Obama. Thank you for being uninformed and ignorant to basic economics and the principles our founding fathers built this country on.
I will be voting for Dr. Paul this November no matter who the nominee is.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:24pmgood one goodstuff. except you post anti-ron paul stuff all the time.
in a strange way – i sort of believe that was a genuine comment….
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 4:06pmWasn’t he running for president at one time?
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:01pmIts too late, Ron. The republicans can’t be saved. Everyone thought that the tea party would save the GOP. Now look at all of those small government/pro liberty tea partiers supporting Romney
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:06pmthe tea party was co-opted largely in part to fake conservatives like limbaugh, hannity and beck. they twisted the small government message to the point where people who are against centralized power will vote for people who support bailouts, NDAA, etc. because they are “anyone but obama”.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:11pmBR@DLEY:
Report Post »Cast. Troll. Cast. Troll. WOW!!!! Caught another one.
Br@dley
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:16pm@chips,
Report Post »what does that even mean? quit being simple.
LibertyOrDeath12
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:43pm@Bradley – They call you a troll because you upset them. You slam them on there own issues.
Report Post »LibertyOrDeath12
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:43pmThe Tea Party got bought. They are sell outs.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:31pm@Brad
Your called Troll because your a fraud
Report Post »MiCurmudgeon
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 2:59pmApril Fools.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:41pmAlas, poor Dumbo. I knew him well.
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