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Ron Paul to Jon Stewart: ‘I’m a Threat to the Establishment’
- Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:22am by
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Presidential contender and Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) met up with Jon Stewart on Monday night to highlight his libertarian views, to speak out against the media for ignoring him and to convince “Daily Show” viewers that he’s a viable 2012 candidate.
Paul, who is known for having some very strong opinions, also discussed his opposition to the drug war, among other related issues. While Stewart isn’t known for his niceties when it comes to addressing Republican candidates, he called Paul, ”one of the last consistent politicians that we see in this world.”
Below, watch all three parts of the interview:
Part One:
Part Two:
Part Three:
(h/t Business Insider)
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Comments (381)
Grace1798
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:21amRon Paul also says that he will not protect and/or defend our country because the enemies of USA are ALL TALK and won’t do anything. Guess he forgot about 911 huh?
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:43amNo, demagogue, he favors defense not imperialism. He favors trade and setting an example not forcing democracy at the end of a gun or setting up puppet dictatorships on foreign countries to crush democratic freedom fighters. In other words, he is not a hypocrite and lines up with the founders, W’s 2000 campaign platforms and true republican ideals. The neocon war hawks and their propaganda have infiltrated the party and need perpetual war to attempt to satiate the military industrial complex. Read RP’s book Manifesto and learn something of history and the fall of empires before parroting the pundit talking points. Wake up!
Report Post »AZDanMan1990
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 8:26pmRon Paul didn’t forget 9/11.. Ron Paul understands the need to defend. What he doesn‘t like is this constant need for us to go into other countries THAT WEREN’T INVOLVED IN 9/11, especially because its an UNCONSTITUTIONAL UNDECLARED WAR.
Report Post »RetiredSF
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:21amThe Blaze covering Ron Paul without trying to make hime look loony? Better check on the editor’s health. He will surely be removed for this flagrant violation of the “conservative” agenda.
Report Post »AZindependent
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:19pmGlenn Beck 6/14/2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyyI1EC5i2U
Abiding by the US Constitution is not an ala carte menu. You either believe in freedom and individual rights or you don’t. Like Sean Hannity said the other night in his interview with Ron Paul, “I agree with 95% of your Libertarian ideas, BUT…..” This is the same thing I hear all the time, “I really like Ron Paul, BUT…. or EXCEPT for……” I just hope a majority of Republicans are willing to see the light, and take a chance by voting for the true Constitutional candidate and for liberty. The current “two” party, one flavor reckless government isn’t working. It is time for a second revolution, and Ron Paul is the one to lead it.
Report Post »stopspendingourmoney
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:27pmI agree, WOW!! Ron Paul is the only hope to restore America back to the way our forefathers wanted it, he is more inline with our forefathers than anyone running, how can we fix the world when we as a nation are broken? Its time to vote for someone that can fix America, Instead of damaging it.
Report Post »restore America, vote Ron Paul!!
Shikezi
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:32pmRon Paul is a loon and no matter how much you all try and kiss his @ss, it will not change that fact. People like to throw around “true constitutionalist” and at the same time ignore the reality of our world here and now.
Its true. Most people do agree with a lot of what Ron Paul says, BUT it is the few things that he is extreme on that matter most. Much like you try and vilify Herman Cain for being in the fed. It is the ONLY thing you Ron Paul fanbois ever say about him. Show me where Cain is a “RINO.” Yall use that term for everything that isn’t Ron Paul, and then claim Paul is a Republican. How ignorant can you be?
Ron Paul is a TRUE RINO! Get it in your heads! He is a Libertarian pretending to be a Republican. So in truth, Ron Paul is a RINO! So get the hell off this site with your crap. Yall have your heads so far up his @ss you don’t even know what fresh air smells like anymore. When you come back down to reality, then and only then can you open your ignorant fanboi mouths again.
Report Post »eternalhostility
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:39pmTheblaze is finally understanding who the frontrunner is in this race. Unfortunately Santorum couldn’t win dog catcher so they decided to back Paul! A vote for anyone but Dr. Paul is a vote for Obama.
Report Post »azjeff1963
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:54pmShikezi show me where ANYONE has a better VOTING RECORD then Dr. Paul……dont think you can….and im waiting?????????????????????????????????????????
Report Post »Ming The Merciless
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:57pm@ RetiredSF – most def lol. Wait until Glenn or Pat Gray see this story – they’ll fire the editor!
Ron Paul 2012
Report Post »Rightallalong
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:01pm@shikezi Well at least you presented rational reasons why you think Ron Paul is a loon instead of just throwing out insults like the liberal democrates like to do …oh wait…hmmm I guess not … MAJOR FAIL!!!!
Report Post »Shikezi
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:01pmHerman Cain. Period.
You know why? Because he isn’t establishment. He has no obligations to anyone. He has no special interest groups in DC talking to him about this and that. You know why? Because he isn’t establishment.
How long has Ron Paul been in Politics? Since the 70s. How much more established can you be in Politics? What is the current issue the American people have with Washington now? Its run by politicians. So tell me, why should anyone vote for the established politician Ron Paul? His voting record isn’t spotless.
Your turn fanboi
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:05pmNo, they still take Ron Paul as a joke when he is the Frontrunner and the only true candidate, all the other candidates are trying to assimilate his message, and Beck thinks Ron Paul Libertarians are dangerous.
We are dangerous.
Dangerous to Satanists, Anarchists, Communists, Nazis, Neocons and Liberals.
Report Post »azjeff1963
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:09pmreally??? and HC doesnt even have a voting record ….so let me think ….another obama…or someone that has proven himself…..get a life….wake up….
Report Post »Shikezi
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:11pmIt is time for you Ron Paul fanbois to put up or shut up.
With some Facts, tell me why Herman Cain is not the candidate we should be voting for. I want actual facts now, based on his record, and not based on your RINO leader Paul. Use your brain for a change and pull your head from his @ss.
Second. The only argument your RINO’s come up with against Cain is his time in the Fed in KC. With facts based on his record there, what did he do wrong? With facts now please. None of your talking points from the head RINO Paul.
I’m waiting fanbois.
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:14pm“The Blaze covering Ron Paul without trying to make him look loony?”
No need to bring it up anymore. The fact that he is a loon is pretty much common knowlege… no putting that Jeanie back in the bottle.
Report Post »Shikezi
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:14pm@azjeff1963
OH! So you do want Establishment! Thank you for making our argument AGAINST Ron Paul. He is just like every other person running for office OTHER than Herman Cain. He is a politician…an established politician.
Oh, and your argument comparing Cain to Obama….Obama was a politician when he ran for office. Herman Cain is not. Herman Cain is a business man with more experience in making things work by finding out the problem than anyone else running for office right now.
So once again I say, your turn fanboi
Report Post »XiongBear
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:17pmShikezi, I have seen Herman Cain in person. He‘s the sort of guy I’d invite over for dinner, but not the guy I’d ever vote for. I’d like for you to give me an example where Ron Paul seems taken aback for being caught in an uncomfortable situation. The right of return question concerned me, not that he couldn’t answer it, but his behavior afterwards. He’s not an honest man (there have been several situations where he’s been caught lying). Ron Paul is consistent and honest. I know what I can expect from him. Everyone else is shady, with the exception of Johnson, but he can wait :P
Report Post »Shikezi
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:26pm@Xion
I’ve yet to personally meet Mr. Cain as of yet, but I can tell you that he is definitely the person everyone should be voting for. No one, not even Paul, has been giving solutions to the problems that are obvious to us all. Cain has actually put a plan out there, so has Romney but it is just more of the same, that is both radical and there for the public to critique. He isn’t hiding behind rhetoric and really has been telling the truth.
As for why I wouldn’t vote for Paul. He’s a RINO. He is pretending to be a Republican while he is obviously a Libertarian. How much more of a liar can you be? All of his ideas are Libertarian. He also is a loon. I don’t agree with his foreign policy that takes the stance of sticking his fingers in his ears so he can ignore the problems. Instead, he would rather wait until AFTER our allies and our people are attacked to do anything about it. Anyone with any intelligence and military understanding knows you do not wait for the enemy to attack if you can neutralize the problem before hand. Simply waiting for our enemies to launch attacks on us is foolish.
His domestic policy is great in a lot of respects. As I said before, most of us do agree with him on domestic issues. The problem is his stance on a few things that are a tad ridiculous and the lack of any solutions to his ideas. He simply wants to remove the IRS and DoE and so on, but has yet to state a process in how to go about the transition. Lots of issues.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:35pmactually, the republicans have swayed so far off their course that libertarians ARE true republicans and republicans (today) are progressives, along with democrats… 2 party system is EASY to infiltrate, just influence 2 leaders… simple…
Report Post »how stupid are we?
IntegrityFirst
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:35pm@AZIndependent, you are 100% square on the money. You CAN NOT choose to pick which freedoms you want and which you don’t. The second someone decides to say one of our freedoms shouldn’t be as free, ALL of them are compromised.
I think this is great argument to incorporate into any debate with a liberal. Explain and contrast how many of them choose to deny us our gun rights (abridging freedom) yet want total freedom when it comes to something the liberal wants. The Constitution was set up so that all freedoms were protected equally and wholly. No picking and choosing. If you (the liberal) want to violate one by restricting it because you believe it should be abridged, then that means other freedoms can be violated too, and possibly ones that you (the liberal) don’t want violated.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:37pm@Shikezi
I am the man for the job to put up so you will shut up.
Herman Cain’s 9,9,9 plan under the Constitution would be determined UnConstitutional. It will only be Constitutional if he uses the PROGRESSIVE income tax amendment.
Secondly, Herman Cain has ZERO foreign policy and openly admitted he will support Israel regardless, which in fact, is opposite of what the Founder George Washington advised our great Nation to do in his farewell address.
Third, Mr Cain openly criticized and mocked those protesting the bailouts. He openly defended the bailouts! Wow!
Last, as you said he worked for the Federal Reserve of KC. True story. What is also true is he openly mocked those calling for an audit and said we just do not understand the Federal Reserve and need to call them so a representative can explain what they do. We are too stupid to understand. Oddly enough, he now says an audit is a good idea. Can you say flip flop cover my tracks! Think he will flip flop again……Once you start it’s hard to quit. Just ask Romney Cain’s VP pick!
4 points of progression. Truth is truth. Now go play….Have a great day.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:42pmlisten to me very carefully. this is pertaining to laws and regulations like the “war on drugs”…
check this out.
It is PERFECTLY LEGAL to jump out of a plane, parachute with a snowboard down to a mountain, then board down to the bottom. do you understand this? OK. NOW listen to me VERY CAREFULLY.
I WOULD NEVER TRY THAT. EVER.
and THAT is what it’s like for drugs and other stuff… seriously, WHO THE FUHCK is going to do heroin JUST because it’s legal…. it’s legal to jump off cliffs with parachutes… it legal to weld, it’s legal to use a lathe a tablesaw a gun, etc , etc and i know MANY MANY MANY people who don’t use ANY of those things…
think about that.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:46pm@Shikezi
One other point to clear your ignorance on “Rino”, Libertarian and Conservative. The very heart and soul of Conservatism is Libertarianism. Ronald Reagan says that.
So, if the heart and soul is Libertarianism, it is a true statement you can’t be a conservative without being a Libertarian first…….
Those taking the name “Republican” and are not Libertarian are Republican in Name Only. Aka phony progressives….
Have a wonderful day…..
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:52pmRon Paul is obviously an anti-Semite because he doesn’t desire to waste anymore American blood and treasure in the Middle East. We Israel first folks all agree that there’s plenty of cash to throw away and American blood is very cheap as long as it doesn’t come from me and my family… lol
Mr. Cain forsees a lot of extra American cash and blood that he’s outwardly willing to put on the line.. lol Where does this unconstitutional nonsense come from?? My god these are traitors to America!
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:56pmShikezi
Herman “I worked for the Fed, don’t audit them” Cain is a Federal Reserve plant.
He is good at kissing up to Ron Paul, however… AFTER THE FACT that Paul got the Chairmanship on the Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vxB2ocXKp0
He’s a flipflopping fish out of water who tried to pander to muslim bigots, and it blew up in his face like pouring water on hot grease.
He’s a joke.
Ron Paul has a researchable and impenetrable voting record of protecting the Constitution.
I‘m not a child and I’m not gullible enough to call the Fed like Herman suggests and have Ben Burnankles lie to my ear about how the Federal Reserve isn‘t a private institution that is not a part of any branch of our government and summarily tell me that it’s none of my business what he does with our currency.
Stand for something or fall for nothing.
Ron Paul 2012.
Report Post »Hefsmaster
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:56pmSHITKEZI,
Anytime some douchebag moronic ******* from the media tells me who or what to vote for.
RUN LIKE HELL…
Paul may have some issues from the past thirty years…. at least we know of them.
WTF do you actually know about Cain. Crappy pizza maker in a world full of them.
The rest has yet to be released.
In 2 years you’ll be ******* and moaning about what a fanatical liar he is.
Try this…. STOP LYING TO YOURSELF….
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:09pmStewart paid no attention to the Florida straw poll, obviously so he could ignore the fact that Herman Cain won it.
Well guess who Zogby puts ahead in his new poll? Cain at 28%! Ten higher than Perry!
Report Post »Cain is gaining momentum. Wouldn’t it be fun to watch him as the frontrunner in the next debate?
azjeff1963
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:12pmShikezi just let me know the pizza boys # so i can call…..lol
Report Post »might just want to vote for trump while your at it……give me a PROVEN TRACK RECORD…..
he ran 1 Buisness….whoop te efen do…so by your logig 60% of Americans are ready to run the US OF EFEN A there are plenty of people that have run Successful companies…that are NOT POTUS material. we need someone with a PROVEN VOTING RECORD…..but you will never get that will you?
RetiredSF
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:38pmIve never said a word about Hermain. I listened to his radio program and think he is a good guy. Ron Paul has been elected as a republican 11 or 12 times. But, since he doesn’t believe in policing the world, you say he isn’t republican.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:39pm@Shikezi
It‘s a shame you don’t own this site,s ince it appears that calling names and telling libertarians to get out of here (and presumably the tea party movement?) smacks into a brick wall known as “make me”.
:)
I hope your day gets better and that you can learn to address others without hate and bile in your heart. Cheers
Report Post »420 Patriot
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:44pm@Shikeze
Ron Paul is the most truthful candidate running at the moment. I do not have a beef with Cain, but I believe Paul would do what he says and would not cave to the establishment. His views on foreign policy are constitutionally sound. We should never srike any country pre-emptively, no matter how much we disagree with their policies. We should try to talk to them, trade with them, try to make them listen to reason, stop trading with them if they threaten our security and only use war as a last resort if they attack. We need to stop sending aid to countries that do not have our interests at heart and fix our country by going back to constitutional principles, period. Cains plan 9-9-9 still keeps the Fed Gov in too much power over the people. We need to abolish income tax and leave these things to the states. The only regulations the Fed should be doing is to make sure the states deal fairly with one another. The states make the laws, period. This way if you do not like the laws of your state, you can vote with your feet and move to another. Right now with all the Fed regulations, all the states are pretty much the same with very few differences.
Report Post »Mr.Nick
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:01pm@Shikezi
Ron Paul has been consistent over his career…. Go to the library of congress website and look at his voting record. Most congress critters trade votes on issues (you vote for my idea and I’ll vote for yours) and it is quite clear Paul has never ONCE done that…. As a matter of fact he was so sick of resolutions he pushed to end them.
Now, his politics are very simple – communities should govern themselves – not the federal government.
We already have a constitution and Bill of Rights, and those are our founding and primary laws – beyond that let the people decide.
I like Cain, but he’s not the guy that will correct the ship….
The only guy that will give us immediate change – the change we need is Ron Paul.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:10pm@stopspendingourmoney
If Dr. Paul is the “only” one to put my country back on a course of success than God please help us all.
Report Post »sillyfreshness
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:12pmThat was, until Ron Paul said he wouldn’t defend Israel. Once RP took his stance, Glenn Beck dropped him like a hot potato. I don’t know what this love affair Beck has with Jews, but that is GB’s number one issue-Israel. I have no idea why Israel is so important to the US considering Israel didn‘t even exist at the time of the United State’s founding. And the fact that 90% of the Jews in this country are leftist liberals, I don’t see why GB worships them like he does.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:12pm@eternalhostility
Exactly! Congressman Paul is the true definition of an idiot. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting to get elected :-)
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:15pm@techengineer11
You again. If I rolled my eyes anymore to your nitwit comments, my eyes would pop out of my skull. >.<
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:18pmPaul, Cain, Bachmann, Perry, Romney, Santorum, et. al… Any of them over the present turd in office… Even the worst of the previously mentioned turds would be better than Barry Soetoro…
Report Post »Servant Of YHVH
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:19pm@AZindependent
Report Post »You are right on! I’ve met him years ago and I truly like him and I like his stances. However, I was not 100% sure that I would vote for him because I liked some of the other candidates too and I wanted to see about all of them. However, with repeated study, I am a LOT closer to voting for him now than ever. I will say that he does have some flaws but name me one person that doesn’t. He is repeatedly proving over and over as he has for years that he has his stances and he is sure enough about them that he isn’t changing from one stance to another. It is really starting to look more and more like that if God is truly blessing us then Ron Paul will be our next president.
resme
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:21pmI’m not on the cain train, go to my link below. Seriously? Supporting romney tsk tsk.
Report Post »http://www.wakeup1776.com/2011/09/herman-cain-is-bad-for-america-and-not.html
Servant Of YHVH
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:21pmHe had better be a threat to the establishment since obama is the master and leader of the establishment and that covers the establishment for both parties.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:23pm@sillyfreshness
Here we go again with the Glenn Beck detractors. First of all, his support of Israel is not the point of THIS story. Second, you obviously don’t listen to Beck often because then you would know that there is more than ONE issue than the defense of Israel.
If you don’t like Glenn Beck, don’t visit this website. You support him every time you visit it.
Report Post »resme
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:28pmhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-trice/ron-paul-11-point-plan_b_947832.html
Report Post »^^^ Read that, Explains Paul’s positions. God bless
Servant Of YHVH
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:48pm@resme
Report Post »I haven’t went on your link and read it but I do have to say: You really read HuffPo? Did you know that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results? Well, people that search for and follow truth has learned a long time ago that going to HuffPo and expecting the truth is about as big a waste of time as anything. We are not insane so we don’t bother going to their site over and over expecting to see the truth printed there. I don’t care how accurate it might seem but it is a safe bet that it is not totally accurate or truthful.
mtcountrygrl
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:51pmI have a theory about Ron Paul. I believe he is the Ross Perrot of the Republican primary. He runs every year and draws votes away from conservatives that have a chance, so that RINOs win every time. Then he says something like “Iran should have nukes”, to assure no SANE person will ever vote for him. If you truly look at his record he has put more pork in bills than any other “conservative” then he votes against them so he can say he doesn’t believe in pork. He IS the establishment, just in disguise. You are fooling yourselves Paul fans. He is just there to assure a Perry or Romney victory. Cain 2012
Report Post »LIBERTYFADING
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:51pmIt‘s been a long time since I’ve seen such ignorance from a so-called conservative. Shikezi calling Ron Paul a “rino” because he is actually a libertarian instead of a republican has got to be the weakest argument I have ever seen. If look up the stance of a “libertarian” (even the non-interventionist foreign policy) you will see that it is EXACTLY like our founders were. To be belittling someone because they don’t match the current flavor of the month policies of the republican party is pathetic at best. Do you really want to be the one standing up for the republicans just four years after nominating McCain? Ron Paul has voted against every tax increase, every unbalanced budget, and every illegal or unconstitutional bill and war. No other candidate can do that. He was voted the most conservative candidate in all of congress from the year 1937-2002, beating out 3500+ congressmen. So instead of telling people to pull their heads out of their ass for voting Ron Paul, how about you find someone with as good and consistent of a record and do a little homework.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:55pmsillyfreshness: You’ve hit the nail on the head. It appears that Glenn Beck is a shill for the Jews and the State of Israel. There’s simply no reason whatsoever that Israel should be dictating American foreign policy and that is exactly what we have today. Since Ron Paul is the only candidate who will put the interests of America first, AIPAC and their ilk attack Ron Paul relentlessly through their various Media.
No one can really refute it so they simply try to stir up as much anti Muslim sentiment as they can in order to cover up their true aims.. Although I‘m no fan of Islam or Muslims in general I do not see how poking at a hornets nest ameliorates the situation and that’s what we have been doing since the early 20th century and increasingly so over the past 20 years..
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:59pmI’m going to leave this here on the table for the fanbois:
The Trouble With Herman Cain
Report Post »http://www.tomwoods.com/cain/
resme
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:02pm@Servant Of YHVH, Nah, I only visited to read the article, I just got the link off the dailypaul. I’m sure i can find more viable websites out there. The article was pretty well detailed about Paul’s stance.
Report Post »dr_funk
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:04pmNotice how all the young retarded liberals (my peers, unfortunately) fawn over Paul. Its because he’s not a libertarian, he’s a neo-liberal. Libertarians still uphold the rule of law and believe in promoting morals. Ron Paul appeals to the “there’s no such thing as evil“ and ”let’s all get high” crowds (which, incidentally, are nearly the same crowd).
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:14pm@mtcountrygrl,
“If you truly look at his record he has put more pork in bills than any other “conservative” then he votes against them so he can say he doesn’t believe in pork.”
EARMARKS ARE CONGRESS’ CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!! It‘s the appropriation’s bills that are either sensible or not.
See here.
In Defense of Ron Paul’s Earmarks
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/phillips5.html
“As Paul notes in his answer, cutting the number of earmarks does not cut spending. An earmark is a congressional provision that directs federal agencies to spend funds already authorized on specific projects. If the funds aren’t earmarked, the agencies can spend the money any way they see fit. That is, the executive branch, rather than Congress, will determine how the taxpayer’s money is spent.”
Earmarks Don’t Add Up
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul513.html
“In other words, when a designation request makes it into the budget, it subtracts funds out of what is available to the executive branch and bureaucrats in various departments, and targets it for projects that the people and their representatives request in their districts. If a congressman does not submit funding requests for his district the money is simply spent elsewhere. To eliminate all earmarks would be to further consolidate power in the already dominant executive branch and not save a penny.”
Report Post »stpppim
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:27pmConservative Agenda???
http://cultureofreason.org/audio/ar_library/ar_conservatism/ar_conservatism_obituary_lecture.mp3
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:41pmThis country will never elect President Pizza.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:42pmWho is going to be Cain’s vice president, Little Ceaser?
Maybe he can get the NOID to be the white house press secretary.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:59pmI can’t spell! Facepalm!
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 5:26pmMR.NICK his voting record
Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005) – Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004) – Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005) – Voted NO on prohibiting suing gun makers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003) – Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004 & Jul 2006
Would a conservative pick Dennis Kucinich as a running mate? Ron Paul would! Read the comments: Paulbots think it is a wonderful idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4DRZP9JgBA
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 5:51pm@RepubliCorp,
I responded to this before (”Ron Paul Clinches California GOP Straw Poll, Distantly Followed by Perry and Romney”).
Just a quick note that your list came from here, before I continue:
The Ron Paul Voting Record
http://thesteadyconservative.com/wordpress/2010/02/09/the-ron-paul-voting-record/
“Not strong on life: Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)”
Minors are individuals with inalienable rights, too. Therefore, the federal government may not prohibit them from travelling; And only the states can punish non-federal crimes.
“Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Only the states can punish non-federal crimes. The federal government has no jurisdiction.
“Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)”
Again, only the states can punish non-federal crimes.
“Not strong on Second Amendment Rights: Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)”
The federal government cannot prohibit anyone from PURSUING any kind of lawsuit. Were Ron Paul a judge, however, he would hear the complaint and then throw it out because it’s up to the purchaser to use the product in a safe, lawful way.
“Voted NO on prohibiting suing gun makers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)”
Same as above.
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Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 5:52pm(Continued from prior post)
“Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)”
Matters pertaining to gun laws are beyond the scope of the federal government’s Constitutionally enumerated powers. This is a States’ rights issue. I would add, however, that since the State governments must also be kept in check by the threat of an armed citizenry, all States SHOULD prohibit all forms of gun control, including registration, or otherwise asking permission in any way.
But to the extent that a State government attempts to infringe on the rights of its citizens, it is a States’ rights issue.
“Not strong on traditional Marriage: Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004 & Jul 2006)”
Matters pertaining to marriage are beyond the scope of the federal government’s Constitutionally enumerated powers. This is a States’ rights issue.
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Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 5:55pm(Continued from prior post)
The Dennis Kucinich thing does bother me, though.
Report Post »azjeff1963
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 6:50pmLookTowardsTheLight
Report Post »please do!!
sonnetswan
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 7:34pmAs far as foreign policy goes: if my hands are tied and my leg broken, I am of little help to my neighbor if he were attacked. Once my leg heals and shackles broken, my ability to assist my neighbor exponentially increases.
Report Post »onlylu
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 7:40pmControl the money and you control the Country. Ron Paul would shut down the Federal Reserve.
Report Post »Just doing THAT would save the Country. Remember, the Federal Reserve is NOT Federal and THERE ARE NO RESERVES! Ron Paul in 2012!
AZDanMan1990
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 7:55pmShikezi, what you don‘t grasp is that everyone already knows he’s a Libertarian. It’s not like your shocking the world when you say he is a Rino for the Libertarian party. Also, just because Ron Paul has been in politics that long doesn‘t mean he isn’t trying to take down the establishment. You know why he is running as a Republican? Because only a Republican or Democrat is going to win. He has never voted to increase his own Pay, if that tells you how much he cares about being “established”.
You talk about Herman Cain like some sort of saint, he shows clear misunderstanding of Obamacare as if it was socialized medicine. Herman cains 999 plan is just a gimmick he uses to have you remember him.
Ron Paul does pose a solution and that is to first off cut military spending and bring the troops back home. Obviously this is the only way we can reduce debt and spending without increasing tax’s.
You see what I just did Shikezi?I presented a real argument. I didn’t just run 2 paragraphs of loaded words and insults. Try it sometime.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:23pm@azjeff1963
“Please Do”
Care to finish your thought? I’m sure it will be a knee slapper.
Oh about this comment:
“sorry Shikezi isreal is NOT our priority….AMERICA IS….we are NOT the Police of the world….WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE USA…..not isreal….”
I’d hate to be your neighbor. May God forbid if my house were to ever catch fire or my wife gets raped.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:56pm@LookTowardsTheLight,
“I’d hate to be your neighbor. May God forbid if my house were to ever catch fire or my wife gets raped.”
False analogy. Countries are not neighbors in the sense you’re using it.
Countries are groups of people who have united for the preservation of their own liberty FROM the threats of those who may not reciprocate this respect. You should not expect respect for your liberty from those who have not chosen to adhere to the principles of the society you have chosen to associate with.
Different countries have different principles, and are entitled to the same security. And in that they are a group of people who have chosen to relate to each other in a particular way, people from outside the group have no say in the matter. This is national sovereignty.
Even if we have respect for every person’s liberty, one country does not have the jurisdiction to impose themselves on another. In fact, a presumed justification to help out another country would be quite the convenient gateway to other usurpations of sovereignty under the guise of “helping”.
Report Post »CyberJocky
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:49pmSo, let me get this straight. You’re complaining that the Blaze did a fair repersentation of a story? Did you decide to do that, what just because you couldn’t think of something else negative to say? In my opinion you just made yourself sound like an idiot. Not saying you are an idiot, just that your statement sounded idiotic.
Report Post »bamafanmco
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:04pmYes I saw Hannity the other night as well. “I agree with 95% of what you say Dr. Paul,” but when you suggest we declare war prior to committing acts of war, that’s a little too constitutional and not conservative enough.
Report Post »I guess that what makes him a Republican In Name Only to some. He won’t kill people without congressional authorization.
Anarcho Capitalist
Posted on September 28, 2011 at 12:21amThey are only being nice because Ron Paul is advertising on the site right now.
Report Post »burned at edges
Posted on September 28, 2011 at 3:09am@shikezi I love Ron Paul and I really like Cain. They are not a this or that choice. I found that out last potus election. McCaine did not win the republican nomination ie:If he wasn’t chosen by the hoity toity of the republican party he would not have been the candidate. I would donate and volunteer for either one of them. But however the republican party called me recently for a donation for the presidential election, and I told them not until I see who is running because I DO NOT want another McCain. The reply I got was you have to agree anything would be better than Obama…HOW INFURIATING! My reply was NOT Perry. After hanging up I thought I should have added not Romney. If one of them gets the nomination I guess I will have to plug my nose and vote, but that is all the support the party would get from me.
Report Post »…and yes I caucus and have even been to a state convention.
Applehead
Posted on September 28, 2011 at 6:48amSILLYFRESHNESS,
Report Post »Glenn is a Zionist and admitted on his show his weakness is greed! He takes this strong Zionist turn and then tells us that are fate is directly tied to Israel’s fate is a flat out propaganda lie!!! Then he takes a trip to Israel and shortly after he’s leaving FOX to start his own network!!! I wonder what was discussed in Israel??? Then tries to frame Islam as the Anti Christ, which is not true! Radical Islam is evil but there not the most evil according to God!!!!! Gog and Magog are God’s enemies and they are the Russian Khazars who have taken control of Israel on a secular basis!!! All you have to know is that he hangs out with Hagee! Read some of the Dispensationalist BS Hagee stands for which is completely unBiblically!!! Ron Paul is the man but I do hope he reconsiders his position on abortion after rape and the morning after pill! Other than that Ron Paul has it correct in my opinion!!! Zionists like Glenn will NEVER EVER EVER support someone that does not spout UnAmerican blind support for Israel!!! The money to all the foreign countries is for Israel and so is the Iraq war!!! Zionism is rotting America from within and it seems like all the RINO’s are Zionists and are why were in the mess were in! They are wanting us to take Iran next but that never needs to happen or we will be over for many reasons!!! It’s been the biggest threat to America the past hundred years and its stealth and evil bc they control the media!!! Prayer is onl
A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on September 28, 2011 at 8:25am@Applehead,
“Ron Paul is the man but I do hope he reconsiders his position on abortion after rape and the morning after pill! Other than that Ron Paul has it correct in my opinion!!!”
I partially addressed this, above. Not only does the federal government not have the Constitutional jurisdiction over non-federal crimes (and nor would you want it to), but you couldn’t enforce a law against the morning after pill without having to also grossly violate individual rights.
“Zionists like Glenn will NEVER EVER EVER support someone that does not spout UnAmerican blind support for Israel!!!”
America was never founded to advance Christianity, but to secure individual rights for its citizens. So it’s not Constitutional for America as a nation to be pro- other countries.
That said, the land of Israel does belong to the Jews.
The American position should be to allow any individual to trade goods with any foreign individual that is willing to trade with the people of America, and to let the individual citizens decide with whom they will trade.
Report Post »faithkills
Posted on September 28, 2011 at 2:45pmThey need to rethink their threading system..
RP is not anti-Israel. (although for some reason some of his supporters sadly are). He’s anti-intervention.
Dr Paul correctly points out that we give four times as much aid to her enemies as we do to Israel.
How does that make sense? And how would stopping all of the aid be ‘anti-Israel’?
And lots of Israelis agree. I’m pro Israel. The best thing we could do for Israel is butt out and let Israel handle the issue.
Ron Paul is not a pacifist. But like any southern gentlemen should understand. You don’t start fights. You finish them. But you need to be able to afford to finish them, and we’re no longer able to. That needs to be fixed.
Dr Paul is not wrong on foreign policy, and he’s certainly not wrong on any other policy. He the only one who understands economics. He’s the only one proven to walk the walk that he talks.
Report Post »WhiteHorse
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:21amGingrich / Bachman – 2012
Report Post »UGrev
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:47amSurely you jest.. Gingrich is a RINO. You don’t get any more RINO than him without putting on a Red Fist.
Report Post »John 3:16
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:52amI wish that the good Dr. Ron was as wise in foriegn matters as he appears in domestic affairs. I still, at this point, like Bachmann and Cain but with Cain I’m not sold on his 9-9-9 plan. Can he make it 5-5-5 maybe. I love the way the government can charge you 33% for taxes they contend you didn’t pay 3 years ago while my bank pays me 0.5% interest on my cash. The government is worse than the Mofia. Well I better pay it before someone breaks my arm or worse.
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:56amA man who will betray his wife and family will betray anyone.
Report Post »RetiredSF
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:57amGinrich is responsible for helping Carter get the Department of Education. He is the worst of the republicans. Here is what the anti-commie organization the John Birch Society reveals about his real record. You might want to take a listen.
Report Post »RetiredSF
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:01amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02HX5v5Thpk
Report Post »John Birch Society exposes Newt Ginrich
KA-BAR
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:06amAwesome choices!!!! If you want the government to keep growing and America to fail
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:13amGingrich is great in debates, and would be good in the Cabinet, but he has serious problems.
Bachman finished last in the Florida straw poll. I believe her ship has sailed. It‘s Cain’s turn to surge if he can.
Report Post »veracity79
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:30amAll the “republicans” are rhinos, People please open your eyes, this site is sooo frustrating when I see people standing up for Republicans. You are FOOLS!!! ALL OF THEM are dangerous. Even if it sounds like they are saying the right things!!! They have all been hand selected…just like Gov. Christie looking to enter. If you don’t understand true Conservatism (AKA Libertarians) then you are swimming in VERY dangerous waters, you become more of a threat to freedom then the liberals who are easily identified. At least they make it obvious what they believe and what they stand for. Wolves in sheeps clothing, that is the Republican Party, THAT is their purpose, to fool you. To make you think you have a choice…when all you are really choosing is a slower death.
Ron Paul has been smeared, scoffed at, ignored and disrespected over and over. Haven’t you figured out yet that the man that speaks truth is never part of the “in” crowd? Sometimes the truth isn’t warm and cuddly, sometimes it’s just the “hard truth”. There is no easy answer out of this mess that has been deliberately created, it will get worse before it gets better. Ron Paul is purposely being ignored because he is perceived as a GENUINE threat. The wanna-be conservatives in this country will be the final nail in the coffin and when you realize it, it will be too late.
http://www.infowars.com/fox-news-pulls-poll-showing-ron-paul-debate-victory-claims-mitt-romney-won/
Report Post »RevoltInPeace
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:42amOne comment on his foreign policy. He speaks from principle, not from practical downward rationing. If our founding fathers were here, they would talk principally the same way – we should not be in perpetual wars, we should be an enemy to none and a friend to all, etc. If you read our founder’s writings, we are to be like Switzerland. That said, Paul does not do a good job in explaining how we get from where we are today to where we should be. It took 80 years to get where we are now, it can’t be undone in one presidency term and he needs to explain that. But, Paul’s principles are solid.
Report Post »MichiganPatriot
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:54amBachmann ok …No Progressive Gingrich…he is no better than the last guy…we do not want more of the same. I say Paul / Bachmann 2012
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:01pm“All the “republicans” are rhinos…”
OMG…First off, it is RINO: Republican in name only.
You are saying that ALL Republicans are Republicans in name only…WTF?
I am SO sick of this term being misused. Republicans are called RINOs for taking the REPUBLICAN stand on issues? For real? A little hint; a Republican is not a Libertarian.
Report Post »n8isgrate
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:23pm@Verasity79
Report Post »anyone who posts links to Alex Jones websites loses all credibility yes he has some good thoughts but he thinks every single thing in this world is a conspiricy including 911 so yes thanks for your thoughts but the credibility of your argument is disapated. Quit telling people what you think is conservative everyone has there own form of being conservative and voting for a republican is far better than voting for Obama so if you want to vote for a liberaterian be my guest but you are in fact voting for Obama. Ron paul is great in a lot of ways but horrible when it comes to foreign policy I dont like anti military anti israel people running this country so he is the only republican who will never recieve my vote unless its just for domestic and financial position.
DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:27pm@Trolledtrainer
Yes. ALL republicans with the exception of the Pauls are rinos. JFK was more of a Republican than today’s “Republicans” are. What does “republic” mean? What I am sick of is, your bs with standing up for a republican party that is nowhere near the original party. This party has PURPOSELY been taken over by progressives and communists to rot America from the inside. The two-party system is to keep you sheeple calm and give you the illusion of choice.
How is claiming that you are sick of the term being “misused” ANY proof that the statement is not true? Do you remember logic? A spelling mistake negates correctness? You righties sound more and more left (attack, marginalize, mock) everyday as you support people that pass the patriot act or “auditing” the fed only… while KEEPING the debt-producing (look at the text on your dollar; “note”) printing press going. You deserve what is coming. You neo-con harlots.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:31pm@N8notsomuch
Totally illogical, but that is not surprising. If a liberal, lying, pos, tells you that the sky is blue, it‘s blue because it’s blue. The statement is true. The lib is still a pos and so is alex jones. Use your brain. Alex Jones is a full-on, annoying, fat guy in a shirt waaaaaaaay too tight. However the article is true, thus the point is accurate and no credibility is lost. Now if it were about his bs conjecture of 9/11, then he is full of emotion and lacks real logic. Get your head on straight and stop thinking like a college edumacated[sic] liberal.
Report Post »quickstudy
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:34pmGinrich? ummm no. Paul / Bachman – 2012
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:34pm@N8
“I dont like anti military anti israel people running this country”
That’s NOT Ron Paul. Not even close. You need to start doing your own research and stop listening to Beck and Fox’s interpretation. You deserve what’s coming.
Report Post »n8isgrate
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:45pmIts actually my interpretation that he doesnt support israel he may say it but by stating that he doesnt care that Iran get a nuclear weapon and he said that in one of the debates. He also sounded like osama bin ladin saying it was our fault that we were attacted cause of our involvment in the middle east that is so naive thinking that if we werent there they would ignore us. They hate us because we are not muslim not cause we are over there they just use that as an excuse. And funny how you call me a lib your a joke im just smarter than you thinking that if you were to not back a republican and vote for a third party because you think every repub is a rino you are essentially voting for Obama.
Report Post »n8isgrate
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:55pmAnd no Jfk was not more a republican than any of the republican candadates today your a joke for saying that. he did cut taxes but to 70 percent come on really. everyone of the republicans believe in cutting taxes to under 25 percent so where is your logic coming from.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:05pm@N8
Come on use your head. First of all I don’t know if you are smart or not and that is not relevant. That is not logical. That‘s why I don’t attack typing errors, spelling etc. So let’s stick to “your interpretation”. Using logic why do you think our country has a right to dictate to other countries what they should have? Even if you manage to give me some bumbling neo-con talking point. Great… now show me in the constitution? Ya know… the LAW we are BOUND by in a REPUBLIC?
This “world police” cr*p is the U.N. masked as “peace-makers“ and ”Israel-supporters”. If you REALLY wanted to support Israel we would pull out of the region and let them HAMMER “palestine”. We should come TO the aid of Israel if needed. We should pounce the enemy into dust and come home. Not build freakin schools and libraries. Private charities should do that, NOT the federal government. Our constitution does not even allow for permanent standing armies so how do we have over 900 army bases around the world? If you want to change it cool… AMEND it. There is a process to change the constitution and it is NOT “foreign policy”.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:10pmDTOM,
The Republican party is a big umbrella, they come in all beliefs. Just like the Democratic party. Using the term “RINO” for anyone that disagrees with your particular ideology is just ignorant.
Am I “standing up” for the Republican party? No. But in your zeal to fight anyone and anything that dares disagree with your particular politics you are out to make an enemy of everyone. And please do not think I am blaming you alone, unfortunately most people fall into this trap. That is why these discussions get so heated. So you start calling others names. I am a sheeple even though you do not have the first clue as to my personal beliefs? That is just a blatant personal attack for no reason whatsoever! Kind of destroys your credibility and the desire to have any kind of a civilized discussion with you.
BTW, Out of all the candidates running right now? I support Ron Paul. Thanks.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:15pm@N8y
JFK ended… not was “going to end”… he ended(by executive order) the Federal Reserve and was set to print silver certificates. The constitution(republic) states that the we cannot “emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts”. If you look your “money” it is a “note”. A promissory note printed by a PRIVATE BANK. In other words it is LITERALLY DEBT. So ipso facto, JFK was more republican than ANY of today’s republicans other than those calling for and END to the Federal Reserve (private bank). That would be Ron Paul. Shhhhhh, good sheeple.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:24pm@Trolled
You showed no logic at all. That’s what I attacked. Both of your points were off the mark and based on… idk.. emotion? I don’t care if you agree with me politically or not… politics do not rule and republican is a NARROW umbrella based on the fact that the word is REPUBLICan. Broadening the scope of words is a liberal/progressive tactic. All I care about is the constitution as far as “politics” go. I have no fear of being “pc” in saying that if anyone has a problem with that you are an enemy of me and the Unites States. If you take that to mean YOU specifically you need to learn without putting in your emotions.
What I did was measure your words and there implications. What you were doing is a leftist mind-set. I don’t care if you support RP or not, your actions were leftist. Just like your assertion that you must agree with me. You must agree with the constitution until it is not law. Your logic was void. If that offends you? Good.. stop ACTING like a lib.
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:36pmANYBODY but Ron Paul in 2012!!!!
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:40pmDTOM,
I just spent an interesting few minutes going through your posts. Did you realize you language is the same in all of them? Everyone is illogical, everyone is leftist or liberal, you love the term “neo-con” but that is the typical Paul-bot ****** response. Yep, you are at war with everyone, rationality be dammed.
Bet you never even considered it but you are a troll!
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:45pm@troller,
“Kind of destroys your credibility and the desire to have any kind of a civilized discussion with you.”
Sorry, I missed this in “my zeal”. It takes a big man to admit his mistakes so… I think you need to read your post to Veracity again and think about that statement. The illogical will scrape and scrap and throw out points no matter what, hoping something sticks. Someone logical would look at this statement and say, “… hmmm, I guess I am really the one that destroyed discourse and ignited, ‘heated’ discussions”. In other words you ACTED lefty. You will take it as arrogant and I don’t care, but; you acted like that of which you now accuse me. I just set you straight. Especially on your odd infatuation with spelling on a site WITH NO EDIT OPTION! Man up… you fd up and I called you on it. I don’t care if you like what I like or not. What a stupid, childish argument. I guess I don’t have to explain that the last sentence is about your argument not you as a person? I say that because you seem to have gotten confused before.
I probably have a different mentality than you. What you call “heat”, I call DTOM.(Don’t Tread On Me). That’s NOT a request. So, if you are going to act a lib or an illogical stone-thrower, I am going to call you on it forcefully. It is decrying your words and behavior as sheepish/leftist. I don’t know you as a person; that leap of yours is illogical.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:54pm@Troll
Uh… so let me get this straight as I point out your ILLOGICAL assertion. You think that with a name like TrollTrainer and ending your post by calling me a troll that you are proving a point!?!?!? A point about name calling??? You cannot be serious. You call me a typical paul-bot and THAT is okay? A neo-con is a neo-con because of their beliefs, not because I think RP is a good candidate. Illogical people are illogical because the demonstrate a lack of logic; NOT because they haven’t been called that enough??? I think you need to review the goals of communism in the American public school system and then you will understand why so many ARE illogical, on purpose; no matter how it makes them feel to have their reasoning called that. I back up what I say. Just like I did here. Well, actually… YOU did that for me.
P.S. You said I am at war with everyone… no, just illogical people trying to tread on others. You happen to be one who demonstrated this behavior.
Report Post »n8isgrate
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:01pmDTOM_JERICHO (CREATOR VINDICATOR)
Report Post »Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:05pm
@N8
I am not the best writer but I do have a brain and can think so thanks for not attacking how I write I find people who do that resort to attacking the person vs the point being made because they don’t have a good argument.
Okay I agree your correct we are all over the world dont believe in being the world police so I agree with Ron there but I dont trust him to protect our ally israel yes israel has a powerful army but the entire world excluding us is against israel so letting our ally fight 1 vs the entire world is not a friendly thing to do. Iran having a nuclear weapon not only threatens israel but also threatens the United states. I think he needs to balance out his approach to foreign policy no to world police and having bases all over the world but I want him to show he is not anti war to the point where he wont use military force and he has not given me a reason to think he will use military force for anything. Israel is important and dont think he understands that and he defends the reasoning to attack us on 911 statements like that really make me not want to consider him. I think though he is the smartest out of all the candadates when it comes to the fed and will be great fiscally other than that he will weaken the united states militarily by cutting funding and not protecting Israel.
trolltrainer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:02pmDTOM,
How many doobs have you smoked so far today? You are sounding more and more stoned!
Report Post »n8isgrate
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:08pmIf Ron Pauls fiscal policy was mixed with Rick Santorums foriegn policy I would vote for him.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:15pm@N8
Report Post »I do disagree with you and I do trust him (as much as one can trust someone) more than any other candidate. I think we are in Israel’s way actually. I don’t think he would let them hang. However, I will say that it is impressive that you take input and actually consider it. Even if you dismiss some of it, it shows a willingness to accept that you may be incorrect. Whether we agree in the end or not, that is a rare commodity today… don’t lose it! If that comes of in anyway condescending, please accept my apologies. It is meant to be sincere praise.
trolltrainer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:19pmOkay DTOM,
In that two post long rambling pile of gibberish I think I managed to find a lucid thought. You write:
“I think you need to read your post to Veracity again and think about that statement. The illogical will scrape and scrap and throw out points no matter what, hoping something sticks.”
It was this post where I pointed out that calling all Republicans RINOS is ignorant. They ARE Republicans. It is in your silly, unrealistic, narrow-scoped Libertarian world that a Republican must fit into this percise definition which you cannot even define. The reality is, of course, that the republican party encompasses a wide and varying body of beliefs. No two Republicans believe exactly the same things, which is why we have different candidates. Some are progressive, some are Libertarian. Some are even gay. Some are moderate while others are conservative. They are all Republicans. If you want to call everyone that differs from your exact views a RINO…or a neo-con for that matter…then it only displays your own ignorance and inability to see the world for what it really is. Which seems to be the trouble with most hard-core Libertarians and what will slow Paul down. It is too bad because for the most part he is the best candidate, but he will not win the nomination. You rabid, re-tar-ded Paul-bots are not helping him any either.
So no DTOM, your posts prove nothing and are relatively pointless and irrational. Much like yourself.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:22pm@N8
“If Ron Pauls fiscal policy was mixed with Rick Santorums foriegn policy I would vote for him.”
While I obviously disagree with that, it caused something to occur to you that MAY make you feel better about Paul. He has vowed to never use executive orders to legislate so that should provide you with SOME comfort as to his commitment. Rick would probably not make that promise. Additionally, if congress passes a measure to defend Israel in a conflict, it is CONGRESS that declares war. Ron Paul is only one man and NOT a dictator. We have a dictator now that supersedes congress and that is constitutionally backwards. That’s why we back the muslim brotherhood now.
@troll.. lol, okay whatever you win.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:25pm@trol
Report Post »Your hypocritical rants mean so much to me. You deserve what’s coming. Others do not, you do.
n8isgrate
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:29pmDtom
Report Post »I am sure there is a lot we agree on I am conservative maybe not as much as you are I can see arguments on both sides of legalization on drugs or non intervention I just have not been fully convinced either is the best idea can come with big concequences in my mind anyways. Nobody is going to fit either of our mold of conservatism but would you truly if Mitt romney wins or Perry or whoever you would vote for third party that is a vote for Obama. I believe we all need to put our differences asside and unite even if we dont agree on everything and destroy obama in the polls and then we push hard on the new president to stop protecting entitlements an stop protecting social security we need real reform but they cant talk about that until they win otherwise they will lose because so many people are dependent. So will you unite with the republicans if Ron paul doesnt get nomination?
n8isgrate
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:34pmWhile I agree that executive orders have been abused especially with obama how do you repeal obamacare without an executive order and have a congress that doesnt change. I hope it does but you cant guarentee that. And in the constitution the president does have power to use the force of the military without congress consent initially if we were getting attacked with a nuclear bomb do we throw congress in session to vote if we can use a nuclear bomb to respond. Yes congress needs to be involved as soon as possilble but you cant guarentee that you will not need to use the power of the military and deal with congress in time to respond.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:42pm@N8
That’s really a great question. One I would love to sit around an discuss over a few brews(if you were so inclined). It’s hard for me to give you a quick answer but a full answer would take forever. So, IF… IF.. RP ran as an independent and IF… IF… he had a REAL shot as an independent, I could not support the republican. I think the better solution is RP for republicans and the checks and balances will keep RP in check for those worried. Any rino that would get in, cannot be kept in check and THAT is my worry and that ENDS this country. 2012 is the last shot.(I agree with Bachmann there)
I believe RP supports this country… can you understand why it would be difficult to ask a person like me to stop supporting that? For someone, I feel will continue to destroy(maybe slower) this country?
Probably not the answer you were looking for, but it’s an honest one to a tough question for me.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:47pmPlease show me where I am being hypocritical? Without making things up, please.
Once again, you are going to war with my ideology when I have not expressed ANY! You just want a fight. You say I win…win what? If this is a competition I was not aware of it. You simply attacked me for stating that calling all Republicans RINOs is ignorant. Should the term be used on some left-leaning Republicans? Absolutely. But not EVERYONE that disagrees with you! Other than that I do not believe I even mention any of my personal political beliefs? So how, exactly, am I being hypocritical?
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:00pm@N8
The president can deploy forces for up to 60 days without congressional approval. After 60 days, he can get MAKE A CASE TO CONGRESS for a 30 day extension, if he can prove the request is vital to national security. So, the president have the support of congress to fund any further action. In the absence of that support he must withdraw the forces. Obama and Bush violated this. Bush’s request was too late, is my understanding.
As for Obamascare, two wrongs don’t make a right. There are many options: 1. supreme court. 2. defunding 3. congressional repeal 4. treason charges
Yes, treason. Every member that voted for that bill violated their oath to the constitution. The problem with government is that it stands for nothing any more and neither do we. The idea of an unconstitutional executive order legislating away an unconstitutional usurp of power masked in a healthcare bill should make us shudder. The problem is, there is no PUNISHMENT for them violating their authority. Who cares about weiner’s wiener? Imprison some congressmen for laws them pass.
Additionally the constitution should supersede all laws. We don’t need a court to rule on laws we need them to rule on guilt and punishment. The law is outside the federal government’s power and should not be obeyed. Just like laws concerning free speech(hate speech?) and other amendments. Remember, WE are the government.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:04pm@trol
Report Post »Okay this is my last one/try. You are making posts about name-calling while you name-call me in the same posts! Really? That might be the actual definition for which you are looking. I said you win, man. You win. I have been bested.
trolltrainer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:20pmDTOM, did I call you a name? I suppose I called you a troll, but look at the things you called me! And your posts fit the definition of a troll. You started chewing me out for my response to someone else without even addressing what was said. I think you probably assumed something about my political beliefs that set you off. After you rambled on for a couple more posts I commented that you sounded stoned. I suppose I did lump you in with all rabid, re-tard Paul-bots…Whatever…You talk about MY emotions? Grow a skin! I may have directly said you were ignorant and narrow-scoped. Hey, you prove that in your irrational posts.
I do admit I have some hope for you seeing how you and N8 made up. Your last few posts to him make sense and I can pretty much agree with you. I have nothing against you, remember, it is you who jumped me. I am not trying to win, or best you. I would just like to understand what set you off on me. I am sure you know who I am, I have seen you around, and we have never had any problems before. I think your responses to me were rude, over the top, and do not even address my response to someone else. You called me a lib, a sheeple, illogical, emotional, and a whole slew of other things. And you continue to fight me when I have said nothing worth fighting over other than calling everyone under the sun a RINO is ignorant. I stand by that. BTW, Ron Paul could be classified as a RINO. He is a Libertarian.
Report Post »Hefsmaster
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:32pmN8, I’ll attack your writing you doofus. Where in the hell am i supposed to find respect for the wisdom from a man who couldn’t bother to learn to write in coherent sentences. If you are lackadaisical in your writing, pretty sure your mind isn’t too far behind….
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:37pm@trol
“You called me a lib, a sheeple, illogical, emotional, and a whole slew of other things. And you continue to fight me when I have said nothing worth fighting over other than calling everyone under the sun a RINO is ignorant. I stand by that. BTW, Ron Paul could be classified as a RINO. He is a Libertarian.”
Your responses to Veracity. And if you read my responses to N8, your stuff got tagged in there too and i offered real PROOF that in political arguments repubs are no longer repubs.(like jfk was more of one and why)
I don’t like when people get all spelling elite and that does not address the point either does it?
As to your last point about Ron Paul. I admit… you have me there somewhat. You could make the argument that he is one of only two true REPUBLICans. However, I will concede the point that he is a rino. But, then that makes veracity’s point even more valid about all reps being rinos?
I took on your actions, not trivial things like your spelling. You could make the case that R.I.N.O. is actually the correct way to spell it? Does spelling change the valid or invalid point? Does it mean that person is stupid?
We don‘t need word police as a red herring and we don’t need anyone defending, even if inadvertently, any of the two-party drones. Since we agree that RP is a rino that makes it easy.
P.S. Veracity did not call everyone under the sun a rino. Just reps. I agree.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:40pm@Hef
Report Post »We all have different gifts. I can’t change my brake pads. Maybe N8 is a tremendous musician with an incredible understanding of musical theory? I saw an example of him taking in critical input. That seems like a brain working, to me. Just sayin’.
trolltrainer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:57pmRepublicans are no longer Republicans? That is stupid! Maybe the Republican party has changed…ALL things change…But if they are going under the name of republicans than that is what they are. Which again returns us to the point that if a person’s political views pretty much fit under the broad canopy of the Republican party then they would indeed be a Republican and not a RINO.
As far as spelling corrections, I try to cut people some slack when it is due to haste or an accident. Notice I did not correct your earlier there/their mistake. However, a rhino is an animal and a R.I.N.O., as you point out, is an acronym. And yeah, technically you would include the periods, but being an informal discussion board and not a graduate level paper RINO will suffice, or even rino. But this is all pretty trivial, is it not?
Despite all your bluster and changing the argument the fact is the term RINO is badly misused and it is getting old. For whatever reason it is meant to label a Republican who slips to the left of moderate. This is bad enough because stances change according to the issue. A fiscally conservative Republican may even be a social liberal. This is the problem with labels. What is a “neo-con” exactly and why do ALL Republicans fit this label? Would I personally call Ron Paul a RINO? No, I actually would not because he is a Libertarian and not a Liberal Republican.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:04pmDTOM writes:
“As to your last point about Ron Paul. I admit… you have me there somewhat. You could make the argument that he is one of only two true REPUBLICans. However, I will concede the point that he is a rino. But, then that makes veracity’s point even more valid about all reps being rinos?”
Why do you continually write Republicans as “REPUBLICans”? Rhetorical question, I know the answer. While you fight the spelling elite I am fighting the label elite. :-)
BTW, your above quote is the exact reason i posted initially and it sort of makes my point. If you are going to call all Republicans RINOS then why not just be done with it and call them Republicans? The party is changing, and more people are finding themselves leaning towards the Libertarian side. Embrace it. Don’t alienate all Republicans.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:15pm@Trol
” But this is all pretty trivial, is it not?”
That’s my point and it has nothing to do with political debate. Ad for my there/their. I did pick up on it, but blaze won’t let me correct my mistakes. Which was also my point. If Veracity saw that and said, “oop”, well it’s too late. I will not post a whole new post to correct errors, personally.
As for reps not being reps… I guess you have to be semantic about it? You could not figure out that the statement means that the party has changed so much that it does not represent its foundation? You just said that’s stupid, but nobody can call your statements stupid? I will at least offer some backing for my perspective. I believe the part has changed, on purpose and there for nothing but rinos/r.i.n.o.s./rhinos.
If you want a much longer explanation please see the film below. It has some christian stuff in it. You can ignore that, I did. The rest is amazing.
http://vimeo.com/couchmode/user7320029/videos/sort:date/29163468
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:26pm@Trol
I understand your last point. I just have a different philosophy. The two-party system must end, forever, now. It is specifically there to give the illusion of choice. It’s really a choice between fast and slow socialism and socialism is simply the first step to communism. Dems stir the hornets nest so the elitist calm them down with the Herman Cains of the world.
I also believe in the Declaration of Independence which states we have a RIGHT to END oppressive government. Not “vote” in some gerrymandered, electoral collages scam… END it and REPLACE it.
“…whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;…”
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:31pm“That’s my point and it has nothing to do with political debate. Ad for my there/their. I did pick up on it, but blaze won’t let me correct my mistakes. Which was also my point. If Veracity saw that and said, “oop”, well it’s too late. I will not post a whole new post to correct errors, personally.”
You’re the one that keeps beating on that dead horse, not me! This was all that I said on the matter:
“First off, it is RINO: Republican in name only.”
But how many times have you mentioned that I corrected this? Just for the record, I wish The Blaze had an edit button too…
“As for reps not being reps… I guess you have to be semantic about it? You could not figure out that the statement means that the party has changed so much that it does not represent its foundation?…”
What is its foundation? :-) Lincoln was the first Republican President…Talk about a big government guy!!! Though granted he did have his reasons…Listen, times change, the arguments change. The question is not where they fit in, it is where YOU fit in! Where do I fit? Do I share mostly Republican beliefs or am I leaning more towards personal responsibility these days?
I am a Floridian. The state has changed, I have not changed much. Doesn’t make the new comers “Floridians in name only”. They are as much Floridians as I am, even though I miss the old days. Names are meaningless. Everything blurs. Paul wants to run on the Republican ticket. He has as mu
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:39pm@Trol
Report Post »Lincoln was a hero didn’t you know? (sarcasm) Yeah, I agree that repubs always s’cked. But to have even the party of say even 50 years ago would seem like a God-send now. You can go all the way back to Washington and his versions of executive orders. (name escapes me and I am getting tired which is showing in my spelling as you must have noticed) I can think of maybe.. maybe 2 presidents that didn’t violate the constitution. However, I am a tad worn out so I will reserve those names for a time with more clarity. Lol.
trolltrainer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:42pmMy final sentence was that Paul has as much right to run on the republican ticket as huntsman.
As for the two party system, boy is it screwed up! So many problems. I hate that I have to be a registered republican to vote in the Florida Republican primary. That is bogus…And just the fact that it is nothing but a game to congress as they vote the party line all the time…No one thinks for themselves.
But there is so much more wrong in DC than this. Where could you even start? No one can fix it, we just keep putting on the patches to keep it floating…
Romney and Perry? Just more of the same…special of the day…more of the same…
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:47pm@trol
Actually to quote you correctly would be:
“OMG…First off, it is RINO: Republican in name only.
You are saying that ALL Republicans are Republicans in name only…WTF?”
I am sure the spelling/grammar elitist in you, will concur that the text “OMG” at the beginning of a sentence in capitals denotes yelling, dismissiveness and exasperation? And then “WTF” in caps isn’t incendiary? Not to mention the condescension at the end of your post with “A tiny hint”? I‘m just sayin’… we want to quote correctly and all that.
I will at least tell you straight out… mine is payment in kind.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:50pmOkay trol, well it’s been real. I gotta go roll another fatty or whatever you accused me of earlier. Then I have to feed my sheep. Yes, I actually own sheep. Oh… the irony?
Report Post »louise
Posted on September 28, 2011 at 6:18amVeracity79,
Report Post »Great post!!!!
Any_One_But_Obama
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:13amYes he is a threat to the establishment because sometimes he may acts like your crazy Uncle Harry, though I agree with some things he preaches. Just yesterday he talked about how 8000 people died in the illegals wars we have been fighting: http://tiny.cc/6m6pg
Though on Fox, Judge Napolitano was telling the media to start reporting that Ron Paul is actually in 2nd place. (Same Link) Wait one minute I know Perry is about 28% all around while Romney is 22% and Paul is in third at 8%. That is quite the difference.
This is why we need to track our candidates and what they are saying.
Report Post »ClassicalLiberal
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:56amDepends on what polls you are looking at. Most dont show Paul off in the distance.
Harris Poll has Paul in second.
Report Post »http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/Harris-poll-Romney-RonPaul/2011/09/27/id/412375
A Conservatarian
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:21pmClassical Liberal – most excellent name.
Report Post »ecurbyy
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:12amIt’s always good to hear from Dr. Paul, and it seems he pops up in some of the most unexpected places in the media. I strongly agree with most of his ideas for restoring America to solvency. To assure a Rep. victory in 2012 we need a candidate who thinks opposite to Obama. Who will not bow to foreign leaders, or apologize for Americas arrogance, and someone who doesn’t want to fundamentally destroy America from within, and most importantly to assure victory, this candidate needs to be black. Herman Cain would be just fine by me.
Report Post »CorpsmanToPA
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:17amneeds to be black – race should never matter – period!
Report Post »WhiteHorse
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:23amECURBBY: Please stick your racist crap where the sun don’t shine, and STFU.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:15amECURBYY – Your comment makes me think that you must be a plant for the other team. Would you like to clarify? Just a reminder, genralistic descriptions (such as “black”) are a good way to point out a statist.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:21amHe doesn’t need to be black, but there’s no denying it would help. Republicans aren’t the racists that Democrats claim we are. We will vote for a decent black candidiate. But the dems are consumed with racism, and a blak man on the Republican ticket would wreak havoc with their race bating.
You can say that these things shouldn’t matter, but elctions are about more than issues, they are about group identities and solidarities. That’s why VP picks are often about balancing those appeals. An older man picks a younger to run on the ticket. A Northeasterner picks a southerner. Rubio is often touted because he is both young and latino. Those who ignore those issues will lose as idealist fools.
Report Post »REALID 239823749828-HIF
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:46amIt’s not racist to say that our candidate, if black, would be more likely to get elected than not. And that is, in fact, all the OP said. If you try to twist his words into something else, either you lack reading comprehension, you’re a shill for the liberals, or both.
Report Post »Mort
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:38pmI could see Cain winning 10 % of the democratic base. Then it would be a choice of which would be better for the country. He would also lose 10% of the republican base who would not vote at all. So he is electable. I personally don’t expect Obama to run past Feb or March.
Report Post »azjeff1963
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:06pmuh duh….see im at work right now….paying for all you efers that think the government OWES you a efen living…..and i get it …you get a good laugh at our expense……but we WORKIN people will have the last laugh……cause we are the most prepaired….you cant buy ammo with food stamps……SFU.
Report Post »Timothy_Reid
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:10amPS: If everyone that said “I like him but he’s unelectable” would ACTUALLY support him, he wouldn’t be unelectable……DUH…
Report Post »CorpsmanToPA
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:17amagreed – I was one of those last time
Report Post »beth2112
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:30amYou’re right. Even Fox News buried the fact that Ron Paul won the Fox debate, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN POLL! They instead claimed that Romney won the debate, and then buried the poll. The MSM is afraid of Ron Paul, so they keep calling him “unelectable.” He’s the only constitutionalist running, so if you tea partiers are serious, you need to support him.
Report Post »marjorie faye
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:47amPeople are referring to the general election, not the primaries, when saying he is unelectable.
Report Post »g8orballboy
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:20pm@Marjorie
I’d check this out before you assume that:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-paul-poll-20110927,0,5007276.story?track=rss
Report Post »JustJerry
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:07amAll other candidates are members of the uni-party system, this one is special.
Report Post »santramir
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:06amby the way, american stablishment means absolutism of a zionist regime. long live Jesus the Christ, the King of the Jews. in which God means the dollar bill we trust??
Report Post »willbedone
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:13amThe phrase “Thirty days has September, Julie, and NoWonder, All the rest eat peanut butter, except grandma, and she rides a bicycle.” makes as much sense as your comment.
Report Post »Blazer123
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:23amof course he is a threat to RINOs like Perry and Romney. He actually votes on principle and what he thinks is right and constitutional as opposed to just saying what he thinks voters want to hear and he has been consistent voting the same way for as long as he’s been in office.
When asked if he’s unelectable he said, “Actually, I’ve been elected quite a few times”
If you believe in liberty only when it comes to things you agree with, you don’t believe in liberty at all.
Report Post »Timothy_Reid
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:04amIf we are to get our country back from socialists Ron Paul is the…..ONLY….candidate to vote for. For everyone concerned about the foreign policy, It’s impossible for us to truly aide other countries until we fix ourselves.
Report Post »WhiteHorse
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:14amBull… Ron Paul is a whack job. “Legalize all drugs? Appoint Dennis Kusinich to his administration?” I don’t think so, and that kind of buffoonery is why he’ll never be President.
Report Post »Timothy_Reid
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:38am@whitehorse Why do you try and sum up what he is trying to say on those issues in five words or less words or less? Try to understand who, what, why, when, where, and how before you make a determination please.
Report Post »schmite123oh
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:44am@WHITEHORSE Really? Why do people spout off on Paul answering BS questions based on his principals, my guess is you bring up legalized drugs because you agree with MOST everything else Paul stands for, and need to convince yourself not to vote for him. Regardless people, wake up, Anything Paul does will be according to the constituition. BANK ON IT! He will not deviate on that, so you can worry not about the legalization of drugs or Iran’s nukes, he will let congress vote on those matters, because thats the constitution!!! WAKE UP people!!! This will be the last chance for many years to come.. Ron Paul 2012.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:48am@ Whitehorse, Why is it so whack to think that we should legalize the use of drugs by adult citizens in their own homes? Do you know the tax burden that we face yearly to incarcerate all the people we bust for drug possession or sale? Currently we have ~1% of our population behind bars. That means that 1% of our possible workforce is out of comission and that the rest of the workforce must pay to keep this 1%. And, as we all know, it takes alot of money to house a prisoner unless it is in a certain Arizona prison. This means that we then take another 1-2% of our workforce out to provide for the jailing of the first 1%. Then of course, we have to employ people to actually do the work of watching all those inmates and hire more cops to make all the drug busts and even more cops to deal with parolees.
Not to mention the fact that when trade is illegal it becomes violent. Think of prohibition if it helps. Do you really think the corporate distillers were going out and shooting cops before or during prohibition? They weren’t. This means that our streets aren’t as safe even if we do jail most of the users and sellers. Proof of this can be seen in our southern states where mexican drug cartels are kidnapping and beheading people. Do you think they‘d be here or be doing that if there wasn’t some cash in it for them? I don’t.
The war on drugs is demoralizing our society more than the drugs ever did. And we still have people using drugs daily. Seen an anti-depressant comm.
Report Post »TheWholeTruth
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:52amWhitehorse…you really should THINK before you speak. Ron Paul‘s ’legalizing drugs‘ isn’t what you think it is. We DO have a Constitution and it puts limits on the Federal Government as to what they can and can NOT make laws on. Please show me just where in the Constitution the Feds are given the authority to pass such laws on drugs? I’ll save you the trouble. THERE ISN’T ANY! If you would listen to what he says instead of relying on media sound bites you’d understand that he feels and he is correct in this, that it is the STATES obligation/right/duty whatever you wish to call it, to make those types of laws NOT the Feds.
Report Post »RetiredSF
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:54amWhitehorse, ever hear of prohibition? Do you see what is happening in Mexico because of our current prohibition? Do you see what is happening in our country because of our prohibition? People who want drugs will continue to get them, just like they did with alcohol and the results of prohibition are exacly the same.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:01amAnyone here remember the good ole days?… Back when the federal government had to ammend the Constitution in order to effect a ban on a substance. Now they just assume the powers that they want and to hell with the law of the land. And all because some pansy who doesn’t want to take personal responsibility for their safety wants to feel safe walking down a dark alley late at night. Are you safe yet pansy? I didn’t think so.
Report Post »KNaggieland
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:10amYou are correct Whitehorse, Americans are too dumb to make choices about drugs, which is why they are too dumb to make choices about healthcare, which is why they are too dumb to plan for retirement and need social security, which is why they are too dumb make good choices about food and should have salt and transfats banned for their protection from their own stupidity.
What part of freedom escapes you? I noticed you like Gingrich, even though he voted with Bill Clinton more than his own party? Why vote for Gingrich when you can get the same thing only faster with Obama? Obama, Romney Gingrich, Perry all the same general direction just different speeds.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:20amWHITEHORSE- You believe that the government should interfere with someone’s choice to make the wrong decisions in life?
Report Post »Delete the Elite
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:38amAll of you. Google “nullify now”, and learn about the 10th amendment. Ron Paul would get the ball rolling, but who says we can’t start it for him? Nullify Now! coming to a city near you.
Report Post »http://www.nullifynow.com/
A Conservatarian
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:20pm@ Whitehorse – you‘re one of those ’lets go legislate morality’ whack jobs that make conservatives look bad. What it takes to even begin understanding the Constitution, is strongs ethics and morals. If you don’t have moral discipline when trying to read the Constitution, then there is no point trying to write further laws to attempt to make society moral – you’re missing something bigtime already little buddy. If you do have a strong ethic then you know that every man and woman is an individual; further you also know it is not a crime to break any moral code as the only person that individual ‘hurts’ is him or herself. If you think it’s the governments job to look out for everyone in that capacity, why goodness, I do think you are a liberal :)
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:58amI will support and vote for anybody, including Ron Paul, over Obama,
Report Post »But then again i would vote for a door knob before i would vote for Obama.
Door knobs dont do any damage at least…
cemerius
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:57amI like Ron Paul but, I wish it was Rand instead of Ron!! If Republican Senators weren’t so darn scarce I would definitely be wishing for Rand to run!! STILL not liking ANY of the candidates worth enough to vote…..Cain’s 9/9/9 tax is inline with what the Liberals want (Income/National Sales Tax)!! National sales tax means NO INCOME tax too!!! Let’s see a 60k income would would be $5400 add that to a purchase of a 40K vehicle $3600 so a tax burden would be $9000!! Just for living and making 1 purchase!!!
Report Post »marvlus
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:10amI don’t think a person with a 60K income has any need for a 40K vehicle. That kind of attitude is what has gotten our country into trouble to begin with. It’s a want, want, want society with no regard for accountability.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:10amRand’s like Ron, without the “Ronness”.
Read that from the piece by Kevin D Williamson in this past month’s issue of National Review.
http://pastebin.com/vPwCX42G
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:52am@ marvlus,
Depends on the quality of the car and whether the person has paid off their mortgage and already saved for retirement so they don’t have to worry when the soc. sec. system fails in a couple years. Personally, I haven’t paid more than 14,000 for a car and that was a brand new sierra. I’ll drive it until the wheels fall off and then some. Literally, they are known for the front wheels trying to fall off when the bearings wear out. Mostly happens to those idiot rolling 22′s.
Report Post »crazytalk
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:57amRon Paul…you’re no Ross Perot.
Report Post »ares338
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:55amIf he has go go on this show give himself an air of legitimacy then he is dead in the water. I like him and most of his ideas but I think he is unelectable.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:02am“unelectable” is a meaningless phrase. Nobody is unelectable if people vote for him/her.
Report Post »RetiredSF
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:36amHe is on the show because many young people watch it and will vote for him. This includes Obama voters who will vote for him. How many Obama voters do you think other republicrats will draw away? He is running for president of the country, not the self-styled, lying assed “conservative” party. The republican party is absolutely without honor or integrity and many of us former republicans will never vote party line again. When you say that he is unelectable, you are just regurgitating the republican party bs.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:57amHow many people agree with him on nearly everything and then say they won’t vote for him because he is “unelectable”? I think people like that (you) have been brainwashed by the main stream media. Ron Paul has been elected to his office 12 times and is the most senior and experienced man in the running for president. He is electable and God willing he will be elected next year to replace this wannabe dictator currently staying on Pennsylvania Avenue.
Report Post »azjeff1963
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:13pmReally…you efen defeatus….why dont you just lie down and die.
Report Post »Excal
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:54amWow, the blaze covering Ron Paul? Way to go! Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »Stephan D. Markos
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:00amRon Paul is un-ignorable.
Report Post »mcFirst
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:51amCan I vote yet – RON PAUL 2012
Report Post »Stuck_in_CA
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:56amBeing a rebel at heart, I’m tiring of all the candidates the globalist-elite are pushing at us. They skew the polls, to influence the people’s decision.
Report Post »Common sense alone, tells you TPTB cannot afford to have a man in the Oval Office, who‘s wise to the global cabal’s lies.
I’m trying extra hard this time, to keep an open mind about all the declared candidates. And I‘m realizing that for every one of RP’s positions I disagree with, there are a dozen that I agree with.
The key to returning the country to the Constitution, lies within the Legislative Branch. If we don’t put more guys like DeMint, Paul, Lee, Gohmert, etc., it won’t matter which GOPer is Prez.
NEUTRON
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:48amIm actually suprised to see an article about Ron Paul on TheBlaze. Ron Paul is our last hope in turning this nation around. Ron is a breath of fresh air. We need this man as POTUS. This man loves his country and is trying to save it. He NEEDS our support. Everyone please goto his website and contribute to his campaign. RON PAUL REVOLUTION!!! 2012!!!
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:37am@NEUTRON..Everyone please goto his website and contribute to his campaign. <<< Yeah I will.. Do you know why ? Because NEUTRON said so, thats why …
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:43amOut of all the candidates there are two that symbolize pure directions. Newt Gingrich is the classic republican. Yeah, he has many skeletons in his closet but you have to admit the man is brilliant and knows the direction he wants to go. I like Newt and think we could do far worse.
Then there is Ron Paul. He has to be the most pure and the most ideological of all of them. Yeah, he is consistent…To the point where it gets him in trouble. But is it wrong to stand on what you believe? The thing most people do not understand is the President is fairly limited in his power. Congress would balance Paul and Paul would make a great president. So far he has my vote though I do not dislike Cain.
With these two candidates there is no doubt where they stand. That is something to think about. Everyone else is a butt-kisser who will tell you what you want to hear at that moment. It is unfortunate that one of these butt-kissers will be the next president, but we do have a choice. We have two stand-out candidates that represent different beliefs but who would be effective, earth-moving presidents.
Report Post »M13
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:51amMaybe Newt could make some more commercials with Nancy Pelosi and tell us all about global warming.
Report Post »RetiredSF
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:41amNewt helped get the votes for Carter to create the Department of Education. He is a farce.
Report Post »KTsayz
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:00amNewt is a Council on Foreign Relations member meaning he is for the New World Order. He would never get my vote.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:30amI agree with your general assessment of Ron Paul and don’t think he would be a bad President in domestic matters. However, the Presidency is fairly strong when it comes to foreign policy and in this area I find Paul woefully deficient. If we could have a dual Presidency in which one runs foreign policy and the other domestic Paul might work. But as our system stands now i see Paul’s strong ideological purity and consistency being a real problem when it comes to fighting radical Islam.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:54amI am surprised no one has conjured up the infamous “RINO” label for Newt yet…Which would be totally ignorant because he is the epitome of a Republican.
“Maybe Newt could make some more commercials with Nancy Pelosi and tell us all about global warming.”
One of his skeletons. So Newt wants a greener earth…Is this the end of the world? But look at his stand on this issue, at least he is not for an “anti-market” approach to this matter. I don’t agree with him, but this is a non-issue for me.
“Newt helped get the votes for Carter to create the Department of Education. He is a farce.”
The Carter administration? Really? I wonder where he stands on this now? I would imagine he probably does support the dept. of education…Bush had the “no child left behind” fiasco…Once again, is this one of the great pressing issues of our day? I disagree with Newt here too, in fact, I am much more Ron Paul than I am Newt Gingrich, my point was Newt is a pure Republican, not that I am too, but is this really that big an issue for you? Newt is a farce because you disagree with him? That is a sad comment. Newt has many great ideas and has shown really well in the debates so far.
“Newt is a Council on Foreign Relations member meaning he is for the New World Order. He would never get my vote.”
New World Order? Come on now…Would he get your vote if he won the primary? Or would you vote Obama? Or just not vote at all? Just wondering.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:57amIslesfordian,
I would be hard pressed to argue with your post. However, I do not see a war with Islam. I see the Muslim radicals wanting to gain a foothold, but we have the upper hand. We control the law here and we need to simply slam the door on the attempts. There is religious freedom in this country, that works both for and against the Muslims. We just need to ensure they have equality but no advantage…like any other group.
But yeah, Paul’s foreign policy is his Achilles heel.
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:26pmCAIN / Newt 2012
Report Post »Libertarian
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:30pm@Islesfordian,
Oddly enough, Ron Paul gets more support and DONATIONS from active military persons than ALL other candidates combined.
Our military supports Ron Paul and surely they get it?
Report Post »UnreconstructedLibertarian
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:11pmTrolltrainer and Islesfordian, I appreciate you two opening up a constructive dialogue regarding Ron Paul.
On his foreign policy – I too am reserved. However, if we don’t get our domestic house in order, foreign policy will swiftly be a moot point.
On his naievete on Islam, I’m leaning on his strict Constitutional view. If you review the recent “Blaze” story about the Tennessee coaches, then review the ACLU case against the Sumner Co. School Board, the ACLU is citing Tennessee Constitutional Law – not the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.
There is a reason for that – the 1st amendment does not pertain to the states. It is a limitation upon the Federal Congress. The 1st Amendment examination of the various State‘s Constitutions are only to empower the State’s position – not the other way around. All States have similiar language to the US Constution’s 1st Amendment, as is their right. If you really dig into those “Religion” cases and the legaleze employed – this is the case. Therefore, if the States begin amending their own constitutions to reflect their individual religious stances on the freedom to excercise – Ron would back it.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 5:52pmHere’s some interesting news:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-paul-poll-20110927,0,5007276.story?track=rss
CNN poll shows Ron Paul in head to head with Obama losing by only four points.
Why Is the blaze so slow to get this news out there?
Paul is well know now as the Libertarian contrarian and a man of principle. Clearly there isn’t that much fear about his policies among the general populace. I think, when Cain’s rising popularity among republicans gets him better exposure in the media that we will see him making those same numbers against Obama. Once he tops Obama I expecct the liberals’ heads to explode.
Report Post »SpinMD
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:40amNo candidate in recent history has had a better understanding of economic principles or monetary policy than Dr. Paul. Read his books or listen to his incredibly consistent message. Search Ron Paul 1988 or 1983 on you favorite video site to hear his words. Look back at the 2007 primary debates and compare his message with the other current candidates. In other words, Due Diligence as nothing, including you fantasy football league, is more important for my child’s future. PLEASE, wake up!
Report Post »M13
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:54amAnd as an added bonus he will have Dennis Kucinich as a cabinet member. What fun it would be .
Report Post »Brad
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:57amIt isn’t his Conservative principals that will keep me from voting for him in the primary; It’s his foreign policy that is both naive and dangerous. Right now, Newt Gingrich is the best candidate! There‘s much I don’t like about Gingrich, but he’s honest…and has valid points.
Ron Paul’s ideas about Iran is pure idiotic!
Gonzo
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:07amI’m with you Brad. It’s a shame because his domestic policy is spot on.
Report Post »RetiredSF
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:31amThe idea that we are not the world’s police is idiotic? Where in the constitution does it say that we are supposed to defend Israel? Go defend them yourself. American dollars and american military personnel are for America, not for Israel. You want to use our money, children(military) and other assets to prop up Israel because of your religion. We have no special obligation to Israel and Israel couldn’t care less about america except that we keep sending money.
Report Post »beth2112
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:48amSo how are you going to stop Iran from having nuclear weapons (if they don’t already have them)? Are we now going to start a war with them? Did you know that Turkey has control over 40 of the 90 of OUR nuclear weapons in their country? Is that a good idea now that they are a radical Islamist state? Should we invade there? Why do we allow Pakistan to have nuclear weapons? That’s dangerous too. And we send them millions of dollars. Do you really think they are our friends? I hardly think so. If we would stop funding all of these radical nations with money that we don’t have, we’d all be better off. I think this is what Ron Paul is saying, which is exactly what our founders meant when they warned about getting involved in all of these foreign affairs. For example, the very people who were fighting against and killing Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq, we are now arming in Libya. The rebel leaders are terrorists, and we are funding them.
Report Post »schmite123oh
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:53am@BRad come on man, seriously you wont vote for Paul based on one issue??? IRAN? please, Ron Paul is smart and anything he does will follow the constitution, you would be foolish to vote specifically based on one foreign issue. I dont even know why people dont like the stance Ron has on Iran, he has an awesome argument. Iran will always be a problem child and the whole world is watching, we cant afford to send troops everywhere my pan, time to accept that reality, these wars are killing us financially and you can bet your be-hind thats the #1 strategy of all enemies of the U.S. Ron Paul 2012, last chance America…
Report Post »TheWholeTruth
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:05amBrad, please enlighten yourself with this quick read.. go to page 23 of the PDF and make sure you get through at least page 25.. it will tell you why Ron Paul is spot on in his foreign policy. AND, it from their own 12th grade school books and we all know that the youth and what they are taught is what drives the world in the future. http://palwatch.org/STORAGE/special%20reports/SchoolBooks_English_Final_for_web.pdf
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:39amRon Paul is a fine man and would love to see some–some of his ideas put into practice. As far as being prez, I could not vote for him unless he won the nomination for the GOP. I am not simpatico with his military and foregin policy ideas.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:01amSo are you of the opinion that Congress has no say in what the military does then? As far as I know, the President’s powers are pretty narrow, the real power in the nation is Congress, where we *should* be focusing instead of the distraction of the Presidential election.
Congress would trim some of what you may consider Paul’s edge.
What we can’t afford, in my opinion, is electing some know nothing public pandering no belief system schmuck. They’re pre-compromised and we then get Congress triming a fellow who is already a milquatoast, leaving us in a worse place than we are now.
Report Post »scuba13
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:04amOne of those fine ideas is to let Iran have nuclear weapons. That is brilliant , he’s got my vote.
Report Post »RetiredSF
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:32amHow exactly are we going to stop Iran? Did we stop North Korea? What about Pakistan?
Report Post »M13
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:18pmretiredsf How did N.Korea get there nukes? Wasn‘t it Bill Clinton that said we have a deal they won’t go back on . And Pakistan got the plans for a nuke from N. Korea so its all Bill Clintons fault .
Report Post »RetiredSF
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:42pmM13, you are exactly correct about the nukes.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:37amRon Paul is half on and half off the rails. we agreed with a lot of what he says, we loved the America should go strictly isolationist, no more immigrants, no more foreign aid, but for him to shoot Israel in the head like any muslim would, no that is just plain delusional. he lost our vote.
Report Post »Delete the Elite
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:46amQuit putting Israel before your own country. People‘s kids aren’t going to grow up in Israel, they are going to grow up here. Make AMERICA a better place. Israel has enough weapons to hold its own in the Middle East, why should we jump into anymore pointless wars.
By now I am sure you know that calling him an isolationist is incorrect, but people will throw out whatever labels they have to smear this honest mans name, so carry on. But for the record in the future, google ‘non interventionalism’.
Other than those 2 weak strawman arguements, what else is he ‘half on, half off the rails’ about? No one can change your mind, but they can dispute your quams with him, that way people who are still undecided aren’t turned off by your negative message.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:47amHe would not shoot Israel in the head, and he sympathizes more with Israel than what we have now.
The thing about Ron Paul is you cannot just listen to a few sound bytes and figure out where he stands. His beliefs are complicatedly comprehensive. Yes, he would back off ALL American involvement in other countries but that does not mean he will simply throw our friends to the wolves.
Report Post »GERATMO
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:50amNo politician is %100 right on the issues but overall Ron Paul is the only consistant candidate we have. I think our only chance to get back to the America our founding fathers invisioned is through Ron Paul. He will not abandon Isreal in the moment of truth.
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:45am@BurntHills.. You what I can’t stand ? Is when someone posts “ WE ” as if you were speaking for all on the Blaze.. Get a grip bro, I speak for myself, course if you have a mouse in your pocket, then I understand the “ we ” when you post…
Report Post »KTsayz
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:08amdemintdisciple get a grip, he mean ‘we’ as in Americans. Americans need a president who will follow the Constitution. Americans need a president who will restore the founding principles. Americans need a president who says what he means and means what he says. Americans need a president who will abolish the FED, the TSA, end the Patriot Act, withdraw the US from the UN, honor the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th Amendment. Are you against these things?
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:40amBURN- “Ron Paul is half on and half off the rails. we agreed with a lot of what he says, we loved the America should go strictly isolationist, no more immigrants” Ron Paul did not say those things.
By saying that we should close bases and remove our troops from other nations, doesn’t mean that he wants us to be isolationists. He believes (as I do ) that we should no longer be appearing to the rest of the world as an empire or occupational force. It only adds incentive for our enemies to rally their troops.
Report Post »As for no more immigrants, he said nothing of the sort.
As for no more immigrants?
WD0331
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:34amRon Paul 2012!
Report Post »alina.bolero
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:33amRon Paul is the ONLY candidate who’s first principals have NEVER changed in the last 30 years! Sometimes he may do a poor job of justifying his positions in a 30 second sound bite, but he is the ONLY candidate that truly represents the INDIVIDUAL.
That’s ME! It’s like having my own personal candidate! I love it!
RON PAUL 2012
Report Post »mattN
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:30amAbsolutely ‘delete the elite’. I am in awe that Glenn Beck’s, The Blaze is giving Dr. Paul some promotion. Let the Ron Paul revolution begin
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:48amYes, EVERYONE PUT YOUR TIN FOIL HATS ON IT’S RON PAUL TIME !!!!!!
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:16pmDEMINT- Actually, many who are posting here in support of Ron Paul are making very articulate, precise comments. Without the personal attacks that are previlent in most of those who are against him.
Report Post »THX-1138
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:30amRevolution at the ballot box or in the streets?
Pick.
Report Post »Delete the Elite
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:29amIndeed you are, Dr. Paul. You have opened the eyes of many, but our job is not finished. You cannot get ‘everybody’ to join in on the message of freedom and liberty, but the message resonates and cannot be killed by the establishment gate keepers. Thank you for your service, RP.
Report Post »Ron Paul 2012. Let’s REALLY take OUR country back!
schmite123oh
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:17amlove Paul, give power back to the states, and dont give me the BS about slavery, thats done with and would go against our Amendment rights, Paul knows his info and knows the constitution, about time we have a president who knows every line. That should be his opening line when he debates other candidates, start citing the constitution, guaranteed to make them look like fools. Ron PAul 2012
Report Post »n8isgrate
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:36pmMr Delete the elite
Report Post »I have seen you post alot of pro Ron Paul stance I have questions for all Ron Paul supporters. I like him he is great fiscally but tell my why his foriegn policy stance is a good idea for this country. I understand having a strong military and we are scarce because we are deployed all over the world I can relate with him on that but just ignoring threats like Iran or allowing Israel to fend for themselves with out our help knowing they will have every country against them. How is this a good thing? If he stated bring our miltary home so we can strike hard and win every battle and bring home within a month every time thats fine but he is very anti war dont think he will deploy our military for anything cause he does not care that Iran is getting a nuclear weapon that can hurt us and israel.
Snorkelbacon
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:08pmn8isgrate
Can we Agree Iran is religiously motivated?
If that is true, can we both agree political moves like sanctions and unilateral millitary action wont solve the problem due to the fact that countries like pakistan also hold the same religious dogmas allowing those actions to be simply temporary? And we actually under all parties have lobbied Israel not to act militarily?
If we agree on that can we also agree the only solution is an actual declaration of war against Iran in which there is no nation building (politics) but complete and utter destruction?
What canidate is advocating an actual war with IRAN?
None
That means under all the canidates Iran’s nuclear capabilities will advance. They are all peacocking until one actual says they advocate a Real War with Iran.
At least with Paul he wouldn’t interfere with Israel if they wanted to step in.
I understand the end times view of 12ers, but it still doesn’t make sense they would Nuke and make inhabitable the second most holy site in Islam.
Report Post »n8isgrate
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:15pm@SNORKELBACON
Report Post »Yes Iran is religiously motivated. The government the way it is structured is different then Pakistan was well not anymore Pakistan now poses the same threat since the wrong people are now taking control of their country. And the problem with letting Israel go in alone which they are strong enough to do is that if we dont have there back it wont be Iran attacking them it will be the rest of the world we need to have there back and let everyone know that we will destroy anyone who attempts to destroy israel. I have no problem with Israel going in alone as long as we have there back which I am not convinced Ron Paul will have their back. We need to let them defend themselves and also defend them as well.
Snorkelbacon
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:32pmFair enough. The only way I see you ending the threat to Israel Is World War 3, b/c bottom line this is a religious war that goes back to Issac and Ishmael. I think it’s dishonest for our politicians to tell us they wont allow Iran to get nukes, but wont tell us what that implies. B/C if they are being honest that means WW3 period.
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:04pmLet me try:
Paul is NOT a pacifist. Do you realize that a formal Declaration of War was drafted, before we went into Afghanistan? Do you know who drafted it? Do you know who shot it down?
Just because he wants to do things the right way, according to the Constitution and our system of laws and government, does NOT mean that he is not a man who would lay the smack down, when necessary.
Imagine if we DID need a war. Paul goes to Congress, and asks for a formal Declaration. Congress can say “Yea” or “Nay”. If they say “Yea”, then they have DIRECTED the President to BEAT THE HOLY LIVING CRAP out of another nation. Not namby-pamby, *****-footing and nation-building. No excuses — DO IT.
Do you think Paul, a President so directed, Constitutionally, would NOT direct the military to utterly devastate the enemy, and leave no stone unturned? I happen to think you’re wrong about that.
Report Post »Delete the Elite
Posted on September 28, 2011 at 8:26am@N8ISGRATE,
I just got to your response. It appears that NORM D. PLUME and SNORKELBACON summed it up pretty nicely though. Ron Paul DOES believe that war would be the last resort after diplomacy, with that said, I know this man would not back down if the US were threatened directly.
As far as Israel goes, they have a much bigger stock pile of weapons than any other country in the ME, and it is not our jobs to tell them when they can or cannot use those weapons, nor is it our job to jump in and fight their enemies even before THEY get involved. That falls under policing the world.
We cannot affort that anymore, financially or physically. We are basically borrowing from china to fund these illegal wars. (Assuming you have children) How will you be able to look your child in the face and tell them how great democracy and capitalism really is, when we are relying on the biggest communist country in the world to fund all of our projects and wars? It is time to break that cycle, my friend.
Report Post »What we have been doing thus far, is NOT working for us. We dump billions of dollars a year in foreign aid, and for what? The end results is always more countries hating us. Let’s slow down on all of the foreign affairs and pick America back up.
Blazer123
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:52amProps to Stewart for asking real questions and doing a much better interview than I expected from a lib. It’s sad that an interview on a comedy show is so much more honest than anything you could get from the likes of CNN or even some of the Fox people.
I feel like Glenn Beck is against Dr. Paul because of his stance on drugs for religious reasons. Put aside the very sound fiscal reasoning (we’re losing a trillion dollar war on drugs) YOU CAN’T LEGISLATE VIRTUE!!!
Report Post »team1blazer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:45pmAnd just how did Cain support tarp?
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:10pmI am an Independent and am wondering why other Indy‘s and myself shouldn’t register as a Repub and vote for a true Conservative/Constitutionalist. Repubs that do not get involved always vote for popularity as opposed to credibility! Couldn’t we fix the Repub party this way?
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