Ron Paul Has ‘Secret Meeting’ With ‘Evangelical Powerbrokers’ in Iowa
- Posted on November 19, 2011 at 3:58pm by
Christopher Santarelli
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Six Republican candidates for president will meet Saturday night in Iowa at the “Thanksgiving Family Forum” hosted by the Family Leader, a new Evangelical group trying to leave its mark in the critical early caucus state. Support from social conservatives is integral to winning the GOP Iowa caucus, a real opportunity for several candidates as the national front runner Mitt Romney will not be attending Saturday’s event and has been criticized by Republicans in the state for putting more effort into other early primary contests like New Hampshire and Nevada, before Iowa.
In a campaign that has seen candidates rise and fall month-to-month, the level of support for former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney and Texas Rep. Ron Paul has remained steady throughout. With the Iowa caucus only six weeks away, AP reports that the outspoken libertarian-leaning Paul continues to accumulate support in the hawk-eye state:
“His campaign here is a stark comparison to the shoestring, rag-tag operation of four years ago that attracted a narrow band of supporters.
This time, he has built an Iowa organization with the look of a more mainstream campaign.
He has raised more money, hired three times the staff and started organizing his campaign in Iowa earlier than before. Paul was the first candidate to begin airing television ads this fall, and has maintained the most consistent advertising schedule in Iowa.
‘We have a more structured, methodical, traditional campaign with Ron Paul here in Iowa more often,’ said Drew Ivers, an Iowa Republican Party central committee member and Paul’s Iowa campaign chairman.”
Focusing on his pro-life views rather than foreign policy statements that have at times alienated Republicans, Paul came in a close second at the Ames Straw Poll in August. Paul finished less than 200 votes behind the Iowa-born Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, who has seen her national support decline significantly since early August. As Paul continues to gradually pick up steam and fad candidates rise and fall, the senior congressman has an opportunity to win the early primary state and stun the so-called GOP establishment.
Business Insider reports that Paul, Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry, met with “Evangelical powerbrokers” at a secret meeting in Iowa last week, a state where 60 percent of Republican primary voters identify as born-again Christians. BI reports that the event was organized by powerful Christian activist David Lane, who the Washington Post reports has been working with Bob Vander Plaats to find a challenge to Romney. Vander Plaats will host the forum Saturday night. BI reports on Paul’s success in meetings with Evangelical political leaders:
“The surprising beneficiary of these divisions is actually Ron Paul, the libertarian stalwart who can’t seem to break 19% in Iowa polls.
Last week‘s conference gave Paul exposure to Iowa’s Christian leaders, the gatekeepers to the Iowa caucuses. Unlike Perry and Gingrich, Paul has an active field organization in Iowa, and consistently polled at the top of state polls. But he has struggled to expand support beyond his cultlike base.
With evangelical support split between his lower-tier rivals, however, just a small portion of the Christian vote could be all Paul needs to break his ceiling and become a real contender in the 2012 race.”
A recent Bloomberg News poll shows Paul in a close second place in Iowa behind Herman Cain and narrowly ahead of Romney and Gingrich. The same poll showed more Iowa caucus-goers had been contacted by the Paul campaign than any of the other six GOP campaigns actively competing for the Jan. 3 caucuses.
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Welfare-Warfare State
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:58pmPaul will probably win Iowa because it is a caucus state. In 2008 he polled at 3% but got 9% of the vote. His people will trudge through three feet of snow if that’s what it takes. Caucus states are about supporter enthusiasm and organization. A guy like Romney doesn’t engender enthusiasm because he is a hollow man. Romney only believes in Mitt Romney.
And Paul isn’t catering his views to religious conservative. He’s the same guy. Look at how the man lives his life. His personal life is as conservative as it gets. I think some of these people are catching on that the strategy of using national politics instead of local and state legislatures hasn’t born fruit. Besides, the Constitution limits the federal govt.’s role on matters like abortion, the drug war, etc.
Some christians would do well to listen to Paul when he points out that while morals can affect laws, laws can never make a people moral. Prohibition does not work. Did Jesus petition the Roman government, or did he advocate free will and to live one’s own life morally and set an example?
The article touched on fad candidates. It looks like big government Gingrich is the latest statist flavor-of-the-month.
Does anyone think that Dr. Paul would whore himself out to Freddie Mac for $1.6 million dollars on several years? How about the ethanol subsidy racket that Newt prostituted himself for?
Newt said he would’ve voted for bailouts. Remember the Pelosi/Gingrich global warming commercial? He only bel
Report Post »garyM
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:43pmYou can‘t legislative morality but you sure can put your approval the devil’s agenda and it‘s not hard to see those who do and their liberal views which is why I’m not a Pallie!
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 6:07pmRon Paul is a true Christian and a true patriot…He is the only one using sound logic to get this country turned around
Report Post »smokeysmoke
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 6:18pmim a ron paul fan…. if i was going to make a list of my favorite candidates… ron paul would be second based on his record of BEING CONSISTANT. and i mostly agree with him… i just with he would say he would be more willing to help ALLYS…. BUT LET US NOT FORGET THAT IT WAS LARGE DRAWN OUT ALLIENCES THAT STARTED WW1…. and you dont know how a strong president would respond to an ally in need, when a problem arises….. but for the most part i really like ron, HE IS A GOOD MAN
Report Post »AZindependent
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 6:35pmRon Paul is “In it, to win it!” They won’t be able to hit the “ignore” button, if he wins Iowa.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 7:20pmSome of Ron Paul’s most avid (some say “rabid”) supporters are not friends of America. The Marxist group “Code Pink” are frequent and vociferous supporters of the good congressman
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/ron_pauls_poisonous_partisans.html
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 7:29pmLook at your own liberal name, RepubliCorp, and then tell me about Code Pink. Code Pink and Veterans for Peace are nothing but George Soros puppets. They are Democrat to the hilt and would never support Dr. Paul — ASK THEM!
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 8:01pmREPUBLICORP Code Pink describes itself as “a women-initiated grassroots peace and social justice movement working to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, stop new wars, and redirect our resources into healthcare, education, green jobs and other life-affirming activities.” They might support Ron Paul because of his stance on peace. I don’t belive that they have much in common other than that..People are so afraid that we will be taken over by Muslims..What happened in 2008? How many top level jobs in our government were then opened to arab muslims in the CIA. FBI, EPA, military, etc. Look at Obama using our military to take down our allies via the Arab Spring..even their protestors were more than likely subsidized by us.. Now we have found that our “ally” Pakistan. whom we subsidize by 3.5 billion I believe.. has been sharing nuclear weapon technology with Northern Korea, Iran. China and Lybia.. Look at our neighbor Mexico..Obama and Holder furnishing weapons to the Hezbollah Drug Cartel..now Mexico is held hostage and Hezbollah is making threats to influence voting…while Obama files lawsuits against Arizona and all states who try to enforce laws of illegal immigration.. so you think that all that war is helping us?
Report Post »garyM
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 9:30pmIf someone is gonna quote the Bible they need to know what they are saying, Jesus came to be a Savior for whosoever would repent and make Him the Lord of their life. Any other man other than Jesus can die on a cross and can’t save anyone or by any kind of moral example they might set. The Old Testament gives us the 10 commandments which if anyone is honest they can see we all have broke God’s moral law, if we have broken even 1, we have broken them all says the Bible. The only to escape judgment for breaking God’s law is to be forgiven and born again of the Holy Spirit which Jesus gives. In summary everyone is hell bound and are sinners lest Jesus saves them. No one can live a moral enough life to satisfy God. Through His Son Jesus who died on the cross and all the sins upon Him and rose again is the only way God can accept our sinfulness! It is through faith and by grace that anyone is saved! Jesus is the only man that ever walked the earth that was without sin, He became sin for us that we might be the righeousness of God in Christ Jesus!
Report Post »YoungBloodNews
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 10:33pmThis title is misleading, in the article it says: “Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry” also met with church leaders. So, if it was secret then how did you know about it…. Silly BLAZErs. I support Dr. Paul 100%, however I have no hope in my fellow man. I have studied history and sadly think we are already doomed as a nation. Too much multi-culturism and failure for immigrants (most illegal) to melt into the American way will divide this nation in the for the worst. War is coming friends, I hope your getting ready. Doubt me? Look at the fall of Yugoslavia, the break up of Soviet Russia, or even the cause of the rise of the nazi party (not saying they were right in action, just telling it how it was). This was all due to people desiring their OWN heritage and culture. I for one am sick of MY ancestors, and hero’s, being called old dead white men and their legacy, that ‘stupid’ piece of paper being trashed. Compare this to the Che loving, sickle and hammer waving losers who cry for change, yes there is tension, yes it will rise, yes we will break apart because of it. Are you prepared?
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 10:38pmShyLow
Report Post »Posted on November 19, 2011 at 6:07pm
Ron Paul is a true Christian and a true patriot
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Wow, one lie and one half lie in one comment. You Paulbots are really getting desperate!
jmiller_42
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 10:40pmWatch out youngblood, the blaze will start removing your posts when you call them out on their title changes. They deleted both my posts and one of them was about the article, but they leave up posts that lie about Ron Paul. The censorship has begun.
Report Post »YoungBloodNews
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 10:46pm@JMiller
They probably delete a post of mine daily. However its rarely stuff like this (as they probably consider me a tin-foil hat guy). They typically delete my posts that call their attention to more important news stories and articles. Point in case, I called them out on not writing about the MF Global scandal; well they deleted that a few hours after I posted it and then the next day wrote their own story hahahaha
Again, BLAZErs are always late to the party ;) Oh and mods if your reading this please change the comment section layout. We all know any page after the first is comment purgatory. There are many better structures you could use (and yes Im web-programer too, for hobby, so I know its not to hard to change).
Report Post »Patrick Henry II
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 10:52pmRon Paul did good I thought. Cain, Gingrich, and Perry all seemed presidential material. While Bachman and Santorum showed there true conservative values.
The true losers tonight were Romney and Huntsman. Wow, what a mistake of epic proportion to avoid a national debate/forum! Especially of this type.
I really appreciated Paul’s attendance.
Cain 2012!!!
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 11:07pmYoungblood
lol So I must be doing good for so few of my posts being censored?
Patrick Henry thanks for your kind words on Paul even though he is not who you support.
Report Post »YoungBloodNews
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 11:32pm@J and Patriot
Patriot, I respect your open mind and kindness, I stated awhile back (on here actually) that I won’t attack candidates, just engage their ideals on the battlefield of ideas.
@J
yeah the mods are pretty docile unless you go against their grain. And by grain I mean the paid positions they stand for. Whatever, I am an internet activist, Im only 25 and have been doing this for years. Yes, Ive posted before Im a P.I., this is legit, I could give you my DCJS 99# if you’d like. I am also a web programmer by hobby, mix the two and you have a real citizen journalist who wont stop till the truth is out (my first piece was a website that spoke out against the fraud H1N1, to date I have tens of thousands of parental emails thanking for my work, heck even FOX tried to get me to do an interview lol). Bottom line is I love my fellow man WHO loves others as well. I do my online activism/website making FOR FREE.
Anyways, sorry to rant, just want to show that there are young people who care about this nation and will fight for the principles our founders championed….
Report Post »gemologist
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 12:29amAgreed, I support the gov’t allowing drunkenness, prostitution, gambling, drugs, But would not engage in those activities, nor condone it for those I care about. This is supposed to be a land of freedom, and that means freedom to do things I think are wrong personally.
Just because it has been outlawed does not make it a good idea to keep them that way.
If freedom is to be applied only to what is considered safe for everyone, then what is considered “not safe for everyone” will be slowly changed to suit those with the most power, and more freedom always means less “safety” (meaning the appearance of safety, not the actual numbers of being hurt, because as there is less apparent safety, people are more wary and take more precautions personally).
However, I can’t support abortion, it is murder of the most innocent of all, I will not accept or support half-measures that entrench the idea that abortion is fine within limits, it’s not. (E.G. parental notification, etc) I believe RP believes the same.
I have never considered myself a paulite, I just think he would be the only one that says and does what he says he will that I can possibly agree with as a God-fearing person.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 12:51am@THEPATRIOTDAVE You Paulbots are really getting desperate!
Report Post »Yes Dave…we are desperate to see this country saved..I was told by a former mercenary today that we are to be in the world and not of the world…and that we are not to worry about the state of the world…I just never would have expected to see this state of affairs in our once beautiful country. I can see by the comments of the people sold on war forever..that they do not understand what is happening…it won’t be long until it no longer matters…
Veritas Libertas
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 3:08amNice, a new slur “Pallie”. It should really be “Paullie” but I’ll give you some credit for not following the heard with “Paulite” or “Paulbot”. Anyways, you strike me as more of an Obama follower (the temptation was unbelievable to make a zombie reference). Gary, I even respect the fact that you’re playing by the Alinsky/Sunstein rules. In a strange way it shows the respect and fear you progressives (Marxists) have of Representative Paul. It’s duely noted. Now run off and play with the other useful idiots on the little red playground.
Report Post »KTsayz
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 3:30amDid you see this video? It‘s a ’reality check’ by a Ohio news network. Great, fair and balanced reporting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EKaq4qoQvOs
President Ron Paul 2012
Report Post »louise
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 4:57amKTSYS, what a great find that video was. Thanks for posting it!
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 8:34amThat is a great, short video that is very factual. I wish all the name-callers would view that video, and THEN post their objections to the nomination of Dr. Paul. Fact is, I doubt they could object to anything.
The thing I like best is that Dr. Paul wouldn‘t have riots in the streets because he’s keeping government assistance as it is while bigger problems are solved ex: Obama cut Medicare, Romney’s plan will cut Medicare more, Dr. Paul’s plan does NOT cut Medicare. These things are important to know about candidates.
Video referenced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=EKaq4qoQvOs
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 8:46amI have been watching Ron Paul for some time and the actions of the GOP concerning him. Ron Paul achieved 19% of the popular vote in the 2008 presidential election. that is nothing to sneer at folks as it represents those who are tired of the same old Stoic-Sophists who are all now liberal and Zealot believers in Stoic-Sophism.
The GOP has been attempting to unload both Ron Paul and Herman Cain for the past several months , simply because Romney (a liberal Stoic-Sophist) is their chosen man. Romney is Obama lite. But watch Ron Paul and Herman Cain folks. Obama can not make the lift this time not if Ron Paul enters the race as an independent with Herman Cain. The best either existing party can hope for is some 30%. Ron Paul and Herman Cain can absorb all those in the middle and some from the left and some from the right, providing them with a decisive win in 2012. Ron Paul is quite tired of being side stepped by the GOP and this is his last time out. He will most likely run independent with Herman Cain and he will win. The only alternative for this country is to allow Romeny to run against Obama which leaves us with Obama for another 4 years (a debilitating thought).
Besides, Ron Paul and Herman Cain’s actions match those of prophecy as it is written in the book of Daniel, Obama’s do not. Paul & Cain will downsize the federal government by deleting entire un-constitutional departments. which will cause prosperity in the USA over a very short span of time.
Report Post »theaveng
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:34amIT AMUSES ME HOW PEOPLE EXPECT PERFECTION FROM PAUL
wile ignoring the obvious flaws in their own favorite candidates. Like Rick Perry’s ordering all girls to get Gardasil shots (violating both the girls‘ and the parents’ rights). Or Mitt Romney’s Obama-like qualities such that he seems more Democrat than Republican. Or Herman Cain’s own history as a chairman in the Fed Reserve (the source of many of our problems).
Ron Paul isn’t perfect.
Report Post »But he’s still 10x times better than any other Republican big-government guy currently in the running.
joe1234
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:59am‘Some christians would do well to listen to Paul when he points out that while morals can affect laws, laws can never make a people moral. Prohibition does not work”
prohibition was not a christian idea, rather a PROGRESSIVE one.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:00am“Ron Paul isn’t perfect.
But he’s still 10x times better than any other Republican big-government guy currently in the running.”
I‘m beginning to think you’re right….
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:39amIn the decrepit state which has America has sunk do we even deserve such a courageous stalwart as Ron Paul? I think not. We need another Neo-Con that can find us another War to waste another trillion dollars on.. We need another Neo-Con that will double the funding of the DHS so they can continue to probe our little girls and grandmothers and we need another Neo-Con that will continue to allow illegals to pour over our Southern border while being Obama light on spending issues ensuring another financial downgrade.
Paul supporters should not even waste their time on the Blaze trying to persuade these imbeciles. They have a gun to their head and they are eager. Let them do it. We will eventually be forced to pick up the pieces and put the country back together again and then they will appreciate Dr. Paul and his supporters. Right now they are just too drunk on the Beck juice to think clearly.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:44amHere is a video from this “secret” meeting (jeessshhh what a mis-title) with the other candidates:
What is the moral justification for war?
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=27mHQP6Gw2k
ldwaddell
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:54amVote for Ron Paul, he will save us from the illuminaughty, the build-a-burgers, and the Jooos who run the world. He will also find out the truth about 9/11 and will pardon the innocent mooslims who were nothing but pawns in the governments plot to kill its own people so it could support the military industrial complex. He will stop supporting Israel and he will help Iran with their nuclear program so they will like us. Remember Ron Paul is against laws because they can’t make people moral, they can only act as deterrents for those who don’t want to go to prison. Those who do want to go to prison will not follow laws anyway and will kill everyone in sight. No more stop lights I tell you, the moral people will stop anyway and will lovingly wave everyone through the intersection just before the guy behind him blows his off due to road rage. Vote Ron Paul he is a better messiah than Obama.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 12:33pmldwaddell, since your last 5 posts on the Blaze at other articles say the same thing, I think you’re derranged. Stop TROLLING to trash GOP — go support Obama elsewhere (if you can think of one positive thing he has done).
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 3:42pmI’m new to Dr. Paul’s campaign (just this year). I always pulled the “R-lever” before. Obama showed me how much money Bush spent. LOL I was also ticked at Bush II for not closing the borders. What the heck is wrong with America? Neither Democrats, nor Republicans want to close the border – even after 9/11? I was also tired of constant war, so I started searching for answers. I stumbled upon an Alex Jones YouTube and was shocked. Fox News had already told me Jones is a conspiracy nut, but I investigated anyway. Once I found United Nations Agenda 21 was real — all the light bulbs went off. Everything in the political scene since Bush I made perfect sense. The light bulb went off “Both parties want the same thing!”
Jones also mentioned Ron Paul. I didn’t know much about him, but I started listening to the great YouTube videos supporters uploaded. I’m a 60 year old Christian Tea Party lady and you must imagine my shock at thinking about legalizing drugs, and such. I was also shocked by the crude language of some of the supporters. The truth I settled upon is that I could TRUST Dr. Paul. Even if I’m afraid of some things that could happen, in the long run I was convinced that Dr. Paul could save America and the Constitution! The few negatives I perceive are nothing compared to the greatness that Dr. Paul can give America!
I’m like a new religious convert now when it comes to Dr. Paul — I want to tell the world!
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 4:04pmLIBERTYGIRL2 said “This week, I was on Glenn Beck to discuss Occupy Wall St. and the SUNY walkout to protest tuition hikes. I was on the show on October 19th via Skype. I was wearing a Ron Paul shirt. When I first got on the camera, one of the producers asked me to tip up my camera. In my frame, I could still see the Ron Paul shirt. When I watched the clip today, I saw that the producers cut the frame in size so none of the lettering on my shirt could be seen. This is especially frustrating because one of the other students on the show had a “My Man Mitch” poster in the background that was clearly visible.”
Report Post »Glock22
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 5:11pmI was a republican for 20+ years, because of what I learned in advanced placement government, and american history in a high school. I learned just how much school did not teach me, when I saw this youtube video on the constitution and the bill of rights they don’t want us to learn, but every american citizen should learn. How can you defend your rights if you don’t know them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px6egpcIoTo&feature=player_embedded
Ron Paul supporter here now!
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 7:11pm@ldwaddell Can you debate any Law, policy or philosophical idea? Or do you only throw insults, hearsay, denigrating comments, slander, and malign people you don’t agree with? How can someone be against the Law, and yet strictly adhere to THE LAW OF THE LAND, the US Federal Constitution? How can someone be aiding Israel’s enemies, when they want to stop foreign aid to ALL OF THEM? Your comments have to be one of the most exaggerated and irrational rants I’ve ever heard by a user on the Blaze. I challenge you to actually discuss and argue an actual topic or issue with real facts, primary sources and credible references. I will support any candidate that has a Conservative Plan. Cut spending, lower taxes, no new taxes, no bailouts, don’t raise the debt ceiling, stop borrowing, stop printing, downsize the federal Government, secure our borders, end benefits to illegal aliens and their anchor babies, balance the budget, dismantle the DOE, IRS, TSA and ATF, protect our gun rights, seek free market solutions, etc.
Report Post »SonOfaCommunist
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:33pmGo Ron Paul! This statement comes from an immigrant from a communist country. He’s the only real Non-Communist candidate running!
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 11:57pmashestoashes
Report Post »Posted on November 20, 2011 at 12:51am
@THEPATRIOTDAVE You Paulbots are really getting desperate!
Yes Dave…we are desperate to see this country saved
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Not true. If you really felt that way you would not be supporting Ron Paul, instead you would be supporting someone that has a real chance of beating Obama.
It is going to take winning against Obama by at least a 20 point margin in order to fire Obama. No matter if you like Ron Paul or not, he is not the person that could pull that kind of win out of his magic bag of tricks.
At this stage of the game I really don’t care who wins, I will simply support the one that can beat Obama in a landslide. That person is… one that can strip away 30% or more of the minority vote from Obama will be the winner of the POTUS election of 2012. Period.
colt1860
Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:24am@thepatriotdave You have NOTHING to prove that Cain can take away 30% of the minority vote. If you do, please show it. Come election day, Democrats voting based on Race, will not vote for a black conservative over a black liberal. Unless Cain can offer affirmative action, welfare, free school lunch, food stamps, housing, medical care, free college education, etc. Progressive minorities will not vote for Cain over Obama.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:32am@thepatriotdave
“Cain… attends a church whose majority African-American congregation has traditionally supported Democratic politicians… He’s on a national stage, taking aim at President Barack Obama, who overwhelmingly carried the African-American vote in the 2008 election and still enjoys an 85 percent approval rating among blacks.
“AS FAR AS [CAIN’S] POLITICS GOES, NOT EVERYONE [IN THE CHURCH] AGREES WITH THAT,” said church member Monroe Scott…
Mr. Cain is a friend of mine and a fellow church member,” said Beasley, the Southern director of Rainbow/PUSH, a social and civil rights organization created by the Rev. Jesse Jackson…
The church, said Beasley, has a history of welcoming political candidates, Republican and Democrat…. But it’s opened doors to far more Democrats. Andrew Young, former Atlanta mayor and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations; U.S. Rep. John Lewis, famed for his civil rights activities; Jackson, who twice ran for president; and former Mayor Shirley Franklin, to name a few, have been guests at the church.
Former Gov. Roy Barnes, a Democrat, has been to Antioch several times. A visit to Antioch, said Barnes, “is like a homecoming.” Church members, he said, do lean toward Democratic candidates.”…
“The hardest to sway may be the pastor himself. Alexander for years has been active in civil rights and other issues traditionally associated with the Democratic Party. He’s mentioned Malcolm X and Rosa Parks a
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:32amHere’s the link to the Article:
http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/churchs-pride-in-cain-1208642.html
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:37am@thepatriotdave Cain can’t even get 15% support from his own black church.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:40am@thepatriotdave
“The hardest to sway may be the pastor himself. Alexander for years has been active in civil rights and other issues traditionally associated with the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. He’s mentioned MALCOLM X and Rosa Parks as influences in his life.”
Cain will not take away 30% of the minority vote from Obama.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on November 21, 2011 at 8:09amDo you realize the UNITED KINGDOM is having this very same argument?
Here’s a UK radio announcer talking with a listener about Iran/Israel:
Report Post »George Galloway talking about war with Iran http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtw5Zy2M6rk
Vechorik
Posted on November 22, 2011 at 10:01amI’m upset at the land grab of MS and LA: Proposed designation of 7,015 acres of land in Mississippi and Louisiana as critical habitat for the Mississippi Gopher Frog. It’s part of United Nations Agenda 21 — LEARN what Agenda 21 is before you vote!
Congressman Ron Paul, Texas, has introduced H.R. 1146, The American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2001. H.R. 1146 would get the United States completely out of the United Nations.
SIGN THE PETITION HERE:
Report Post »http://www.petitiononline.com/petiti…146/signatures
TheCalvinistPastor
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:54pmRon Paul is consistent because he draws his political opinion from a moral standard, not a political landscape of popular opinion. Its this type of canidate that I can look to at face value and know what I am getting, despite if I agree or disagree with him (Which I happen to agree with a lot!)
Report Post »I
KidCharlemagne
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 6:03pmTheCalvinistPastor
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:54pm
Ron Paul is consistent because he draws his political opinion from a moral standard, not a political landscape of popular opinion.
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That is an EXCELLENT point!
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 10:05pm@THECALVINISTPASTOR…I attended a conference by the President of World Ministries..and he stated that he did not know if this country could be turned around…but he said that if it had any chance at all of survival..we would have to return to the Constitution…So many are being suckered into this war thing while we lose countless lives and our men and women suffer physical and mental injury and it has bankrupted us.just to line the pockets of politicians..We are feeding the snake.
Report Post »YoungBloodNews
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 10:40pm@Calvinist
Im a Calvinist-Methodist myself. I had to spend 30 minutes explaining the difference to my parents (who are Wesleyan, but could not tell me the difference lol). I also had to lecture them to use the original King James and no other – greek textus receptus baby!!!
Report Post »standupbcounted
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 2:49pmObama is going to be hard to beat and I am an independent who does not think independents will vote for Ron Paul myself included. He has less of a chance of beating obama than McCain did. I won’t vote for obama either . Could vote for some of the other candidates. Hope I don’t have to sit this one out.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:03pm@standupbcounted In a new Public Policy Poll, 2012 Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul bests President Obama 48 to 39 percent among independent voters. The poll also showed Paul as the only Republican candidate leading President Obama among independents.
ronpaul2012.com/2011/11/16/ron-paul-leads-obama-among-independents-new-poll-shows
whiteoutpress.com/articles/wach/ron-paul-wins-independent-voters-poll378/
http://www.economicsjunkie.com/ron-paul-head-to-head-with-obama-in-new-poll/
Paul has actually constantly won the most votes from Independents in many polls and studies.
GOP outsider Ron Paul gaining traction in Iowa
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garyM
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:51pmAfter reporters started asking questions, the Congressman disclosed his requests this year for about $400 million worth of federal funding for no fewer than 65 earmarks. They include such urgent national wartime priorities as an $8 million request for the marketing of wild American shrimp and $2.3 million to fund shrimp-fishing research.
Report Post »Welfare-Warfare State
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:06pmYes, but he always votes against the original appropriations bill. Once the bill is passes, a person like Paul is put in a bad spot. That money is going to be spent by somewhere. It’s already appropriated. He’s just trying to get some of the money back for Texas taxpayers that the federal government confiscated.
Some people still don‘t understand that earmarks don’t increase spending. The federal budget is marked by an appropriations bill. So: the spending levels are already decided. If the individual representatives don’t earmark (meaning to “set aside”), govt. bureaucrats in the executive branch will.
If you want less government spending, you have to start with budget cuts. It’s starts with appropriation bills.
I’m glad you are so concerned about spening though. Paul has a plan that cuts $1 trillion in the first year. No one else comes close. His plan balances the budget within 3-years. Again, no one else even comes close.
He has proposed the elimination of 5 unconstitutional departments in the first year with more to follow in subsequent years. Again, no one else comes close. I think Perry, to his credit, came up with 3, though he couldn’t remember the third :) Poor fellow.
Paul is the only one that will address the government’s unconstitutional monetary system. The monetary issue is a huge issues. The FED facilitates big govt. spending, causes the boom/bust cycle, transfers wealth to finance sector, and causes inflation/dollar debasement. It’s
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 9:28pmWelfare-Warfare State is right,
Dr. Paul is just trying to get some of the money back for Texas taxpayers that the federal government confiscated. Also Ron Paul is willing to take a $39k a year salary as President and has a plan to cut $1 Trillion in the first year in spending. Who else is willing to do that?
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 4:24am@KICKILLEGALSOUT If what you say in anyway true, it is a very small part of why he does it. He has not speaches on the House Floor lecturing congress that it is there RESPONSIBILITY to have more earmarks so that the spending isn’t left up to the executive branch.
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:45amIgnore it, its simply flack brought up by the democratic-socialist to spin the story sideways and provide a political black eye for Ron Paul. Notice there were not facts stated as to where and when the supposed activities occurred. This is a common trick of the democratic-Socialists, to provide unfounded data which has no historical specifics tied to it. Ron Paul has been working in the congress for some time now and the data could be 20 years old or older and spread over an entire career in congress. Take in consideration 20 years service and 65 earmarks and that equates to about 3.25 per year, hardly and abuser eh?
Watch for trip wires of this sort, the democratic – Socialists who work for the Center for American progress are on this web site posting constantly. They hurl out these little hand grenades in order to create doubt in the mind. They think we are simple trolls who lack the understanding to observe and determine facts. They think themselves superior in intellect as does their mentor Mr Obama. They are about to face sound defeat in 2012 and humiliation which their inflated egos can not comprehend.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 12:15pmGarym, I will add to Welfare’s statement that Paul also returns money not used in his district back to the Treasury every year. Who else does that? Do you know or do you just spew hatred and do not do real research. I will apologize to you for saying you are a Marxist without really knowing. I do stand with the part that you are a Progressive.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on November 21, 2011 at 7:47amGARYM, you must be going to leftist sites for your fake attacks. To clear up earmarks realize this:
Ron Paul only ever earmarks a part of funds already designated for a bill, he doesn’t add money to it. So if a highway bill is $20 billion, he might try to get a billion for a highway in Texas. If that money is NOT designated by congress, the president gets a blank check for highways for $20 billion and it is doled out to the favored cronies behind closed doors by administrators. That is crony capitalism. That is wrong.
So Ron‘s earmarks never add to a bill as the ’Cornhusker Kickback‘ for Nebraska’s senator would have.
And Ron NEVER sells his vote for earmarks as happened when the Cornhusker Kickback was used to persuade Nebraska’s Senator to vote for Obamacare. Because while Ron Paul will put in an earmark in an amendment for IN CASE the bill is passed so his constituents who will be forced to pay their share get some of the benefits, when amendment voting is over and they move to voting on the bill, he ALWAYS votes against the bill.
So he never adds cost, never sells his votes, and pushes for transparent funding where the electorate can see exactly what happens, then votes against the spending altogether.
Report Post »grayd88
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:50pmThe MSM has got some of you believing Romney is the nominee already. If you are truly a Conservative you have only one choice for R nominee, and it is not Newt or Herman. Dr. Paul’s foreign policy is sound. If there were a threat he would go to Congress for Declaration of War against an enemy, with clear objectives, go, win it and come home. We are tired of never ending war stealing our wealth and youth.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 6:53pmIf you are truly a Conservative you would want Kucinich as VP? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4DRZP9JgBA
Report Post »fatjack
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 7:55pmKucinich and Paul are one. Extreme left.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 9:13pm@REPUBLICORP THe only thing that I see is that both men have respect for each other and that they both want to abolish free trade agreements such as NAFTA and they both want to end war.. War drains us..builds up everyone’s military but our own at our expense..and we are not helping our country while trading with everyone else..China doesn‘t get involved in everyone else’s problems and nobody messes with China..It should speak volumes that our warmongers have to beg China for money to fund these ridiculous wars..
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 9:21pm@fatjack Yep. Because we all know the extreme Left wants to cut spending, lower taxes, make no new taxes, pass no bailouts, not raise the debt ceiling, stop borrowing, stop printing, downsize the federal Government, secure our borders, end benefits to illegal aliens and their anchor babies, balance the budget, dismantle the DOE, IRS, TSA and ATF, protect our gun rights, seek free market solutions, appoint conservative judges, pass pro-life bills, get out of the UN, the the UN out of the US, promote home schooling, end birthright citizenship to anchor babies, prevent amnesty to illegal aliens, end the IRS, replace the national Income Tax with nothing, end all welfare, stop the Nanny State, etc.
Oh, wait. I’m pretty sure it was the other candidates that supported TARP, bank bailouts, and raising the debt ceiling. Silly me.
Who’s Consistent?
youtube.com/watch?v=B7RaYbToq7Q
Who supported TARP?
youtube.com/watch?v=A2EqhZND1_I
Who’s the only candidate that has a Second Amendment web page on their website and has been Rated A by the NRA?
ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/second-amendment/
“Rep. Ron Paul of Texas has a perfect voting record on Second Amendment issues. He has sponsored legislation to repeal most gun laws dating back to 1968 — as well as, introduced legislation to get the U.S. out of the anti-gun United Nations. Ron Paul has an A+ rating with Gun Owners of America.”
gunowners.org/ronpaul-gunrecord.htm
Report Post »Silverwolf00
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 1:33pmMaybe people forget or better yet my guess is they never knew that originally after the election 1st place went to the Presidents office and 2nd place went to the Vice Presidents office… Go figure… That infers that both views were represented in the executive… Notice I didn’t say both parties… We were also warned by probably the greatest American ever to live George Washington that parties would serve to divide the nation and that people should vote as Americans and not because of whether they had a R or a D after their name…. Get It People….. Party affiliation is part of the problem… Be Independent in you vote forget about Republican or Democrat.. Be and American first and foremost.
Report Post »The-Real-Enrico
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:48pmI don’t understand why people hate on Paul so much. He is right on almost everything(but not everything). Paul is not even my guy.
There is no hate here, but I just think that Dr.Paul underestimates islam and does not get whats going on in that region.
I believe he thinks its about politics in the middle east and with his plans it could be scary.
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Welfare-Warfare State
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:13pmI think Paul has a much deeper understanding of foreign policy than the others, with the possible exception of Gary Johnson. He was the one who warned about Iraq. His predictions were right on the money.
He warned that we should sent a tactical team after Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden instead of a wider war and nation-building in Afghanistan. How did the govt. catch Bin Laden in the end? In the manner that Paul proposed. He advocates Letters of Mark and Reprisal. The Founders used those to good effect with the Barbary pirates in their time.
The neo-cons came out of the left, and they brought a Wilsonian foreign policy with them. It calls for nation-building, foreign-aid, propping up of “allies” who are oftentimes corrupt autocrats, and “making the world safe for democracy.”
The traditional conservative foreign policy was one of non-interventionism. We trade, engage in diplomacy, travel, etc., but we don’t try to centrally plan the rest of the world with the point of a gun. I don’t understand why some neo-cons think it’s a bad idea for the govt. to attempt to centrally plan society and the economy domestically, but think the govt. can centrally plan the world. It’s a glaring contradiction.
The reasong that some in the M.E. resort to terrorism is because that’s the only weapon they have. The U.S. govt. has overthrown 2 democracies in the M.E. over the last 60-years. It has propped up countless tyrants in others. It breeds resentment of the U.S.
Report Post »Secessionista
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:26pmPeople hate the truth. That is why they hate Paul. They hate that they are bigots, racists, sexists, and hypocrites. These people could never accept Paul, because his truth exposes their lies. Democrats hate him because he knows the state can never solve our poverty woes. Republicans hate him because he refuses to murder innocents merely on here-say.
Only the pure at heart love Dr. Paul. That’s why servicemen in Afghanistan love him – because they have seen the truth of war. That’s why a impoverished bum on a park bench loves Dr. Paul – because he has seen the truth of our social programs.
All around the country, a few of us have found the truth, and it is in limited government contained by a strong prison called the constitution.
It‘s not my fault that the rest of the world doesn’t get it. They will pay the price most dearly, as they are beginning to now. You reap that which you sow.
Report Post »bringiton
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:38pmIt’s not Paul. It’s his zombie followers. Same as O-bots. I will NOT worship or be a part of people like that. If this is you, TFB. His lemmings pack polling, speaches by conservaitves, Talk shows, interrupt meetings, just like community agitators. Nah, not me.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:57pm@BringItOn
That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. You are so shallow of a person you will not vote for someone because of how some of such candidates supporters act? Because they support their candidate and are enthusiastic about him? Would you rather have supporters who were quiet and unenthusiastic? Lol absurd!
No one worships Ron Paul at all. We do support him and will stand in truth about him.
You must think we Glenn Beck supporters worship him? Don’t be hypocritical now…..Think….
Report Post »mathews2113
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:57pmI like Ron Paul, but if he‘s president our enemy’s will be knocking on our front door. all your troops that died to keep us safe will die in vain because with Dr. Paul as president our enemy’s will get stronger
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 6:17pm@Matthews2113
I would say you are way off base. How safe are we now? bin Laden’s jihad is still going strong as long as we are in the Middle East. Drug cartels run our borders, and al-Qaeda has spread from Afghanistan when we started to Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, and more…..TSA now searches us at airports and some highways….We are less safe now then before we waged this 10 year war.
Those fine men and women who have given their life will always be honored and it is time to say enough shedding American blood for the security other countries and for a progressive agenda to control the world.
Look at the big picture. Ron Paul is right on foreign policy. Progressives are wrong.
Report Post »kwolfburg
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 6:29pmYou are right. If we cut off all aid, including Israel, Iran, China, and the Saudi’s will step in to support other Arab nations. Who will support Israel? I believe in pulling troops out of Europe, but not out of Asia and the Middle-East.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 6:49pm@KWolfBurg
Israel can handle her own…Israel even says that herself, look at BiBi’s own words…..
Arabs already support Arabs….The longer we stay, the longer the jihad against our troops will be. In fact, being there legitimizes bin Laden’s jihad and actually makes it stronger and makes thing worse for Israel…
Foreign aid is welfare. It teaches other nations to be dependent on us and not think and work through problems on their own. It’s the same principle as domestic welfare (aid)….The only reason many of theses Arabs have any military is because of the aid we have given them!!!
Report Post »KTsayz
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 8:00pm@Welfare-Warfare That is one of the most brilliant, sober comments I’ve ever read on the blaze. You do Ron Paul proud.
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louise
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 11:08pmBring it on,
Report Post »A zombie is defined as a soul-less corpse.
I have been a Ron Paul supporter since 2006. I am not a soul-less corpse. I am a Christian who understands that this nation has to turn back to God and turn back to our founding principles and liberty. People seem to be afraid of liberty for some reason. I do not know if you are a Christian, but scripture teaches us that “where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty”. Why should we be afraid of something our heavenly Father gives us? Liberty is good thing when experienced within the boundaries of good morals.
Ron Paul is the only candidate that not only knows why we are in this mess, but he has the best plan to help start restoring America. Do not be afraid of his foreign policy because it lines up with the Constitution. Non-interventionist foreign policy makes us stronger not weaker. Israel is stronger when we stop acting like we know what is best for her. Israel can take care of her own business. No foreign aid to anyone….allies and enemies alike. Right now we are aiding and abetting the enemies of Israel by giving them aid. We are giving our own enemies aid. Not good.
I could go on, but not enough space. I just want to encourage you and everyone else to do your own homework. You will find the truth when you do.
Vechorik
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 8:44am“When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.” I was told that by my pastor once about people not listening to the word of God. You can talk until your tongue will fall out — it will make no difference. When a person desires the truth, they will find it.
That’s what happened to me in finding Dr. Paul. I always pulled the “R-lever” and was almost afraid to even start listening to him. What made me do it was when I became sick of war (friends killed), and I asked “Why didn’t Bush close the border? Why didn’t Obama close the border?” I learned about United Nations Agenda 21 — and then the only answer I saw was Dr. Paul (yes, even when I didn’t agree 100% with his policies, I knew only Dr. Paul could save the Constitution from being trashed by globalist. Romney and Newt are GLOBALISTS.
I hope many more of us become “students” SOON!
Report Post »louise
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:33amVechorik,
“When the student is ready the teacher will appear”
What a wonderful truth that comment is. What is even more wonderful is knowing that the Teacher is the Holy Spirit given to the born again person who has a new nature.
Report Post »ldwaddell
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 4:42pmSome people think that a parody of Ron Paul’s supporters is somehow a show of support for Obummer. Just goes to show you that too much Alex Jones can cause a narrowing of mind and myopic vision. Ron Paul is a libertarian not a conservative. He operates under the GOP label but if he were honest he would run under the libertarian parties banner. He complains that doesn’t get press coverage just so he will get press coverage. Ron Paul is a johnny one note the fed, the fed, the fed. He told a bunch of 9/11 truthers that he would investigate 9/11 further if he could. You can find it on U tube if care to. If you think that nothing gets done in Washington now, wait until Ron Paul sits in the Oval Office vetoing every piece of legislation that comes his way. They don’t call him Dr. No for nothing. The cult members who follow Ron Paul are nearly irrational in their commitment to him. As an example of the cult leader power Ron Paul has we have the new believer in the Ron Paul VECHORIK said earlier in this post. his new found faith in Ron Paul is like a religious conversion and he is on a mission to convert everyone else. It is sad that rational thought is so easily lost.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:19pmI was talking about spread to word to people like you, ldwaddell. Who thinks they know what a Libertarian is and then write falsehoods about Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul is about as Libertarian as Willard Romney is conservative. You can’t just use LABELS — look at the person, their history, then decide.
Report Post »OperationNorthwoods
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:43pmHere is a man who is consistent,honest, votes on principal and supports the Constitution. He’s what most conservatives say they want in a candidate. Yet many will vote for someone else because they are still under the influence of the Main Stream Media which tells them he can’t win. Here’s the good news. He can win!!! and all you have to do is ignore the media and vote for him.
Report Post »getalong
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:53pmNO, NO, to Ron Paul. His views on protecting our country are from the 1960′s. Plus, he has been in politics for too long. If he really felt the way he does about how corrupt government is, he should of quit his job working for the government, and created a group to fight the corruption. We need someone who has not be tainted by the water in D.C. I sense Paul has disdain for our military, and a horrible understanding of what our soldiers are doing for our country. I don’t think we need a leader who is going to bury his head in the sand and ignore what happens in other countries. That is not the way our country stays safe.
Report Post »UrbanCombatSurvivor
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:13pmI think you are confusing “Conservative” with “Constitutionalist.” They are NOT the same thing. The right has been no less infiltrated and hijacked by the progressive movement than has the left, they simply come at the same issue from opposite directions because it has effectively blinded the masses to the fact that they’re all moving towards the same goal: Complete Government Control.
Progressive Left = Communism
Report Post »Progressive Right = Fascism
They are both heading towards the same thing, and so long as people don’t see it, they will continue dragging us all towards the end goal: Totalitarian Collectivism. Which form it takes at first doesn’t matter.
Buck Shane
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:56pm@ UrbanCombatSurvivor
Progressive Left = Communism
Progressive Right = Fascism
Actually, there are two branches of socialism. Communism and Fascism. The opposite of either is capitalism. Capitalism = FREEDOM.
Report Post »JonnyMuffin
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 6:04pm@ getalong
You said ” I sense Paul has disdain for our military, and a horrible understanding of what our soldiers are doing for our country.”
If this is true, then why does Ron Paul receive more donations from active duty military than all other candidates combined?
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 7:21pmRonald Reagan spoke in support of Paul’s foreign policy views, stating, “Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country.”
Reagan was very confident in our defense against any foreign threat. He joked, “My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes.” During this time period it was the Progressives who were most paranoid over an imminent attack or show of power by the Soviet Union. The left’s fear mongering and delusional concerns were soon enough discredited and mocked. They sought a Progressive foreign policy; democracy through military might by whatever means necessary. The liberals and those in the left wing media thought Reagan was stupid for not militarily confronting the threat the Soviets posed. Reagan‘s confidence in our safety and his understanding that the economy mattered most in a Nation’s survival or destruction had the Liberals outraged. Reagan did not adhere to the UN’s philosophy of our Military being used as a sort of Peace Corps around the world. Reagan understood the priorities of our military and wisely sought not to put our troops in unnecessary danger. Reagan was strong in National Defense and yet sought diplomacy.
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 4:39am@OperationNorthwoods He certainly can win, but his biggest obsticle is the blood thirsty war mongers or their supporters that pee their pants at the slightest mention of Islam. Now they latch onto the third world cult leader of Iran as the beg boogie man. They even tell me that he is a greater threat than the Soviet was with their thousands of nuclear missiles – and they have actually killed 10s of millions of people.
Ron Paul would beat Obama with no problems. The most difficult challenge is the primaries because of the war mongers and bed wetters.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 8:50amJeff65 said “… (Dr. Paul’s) biggest obsticlel is the blood-thirsty war mongers or their supporters that pee their pants at the slightest mention of Islam”
I tend to agree, but it‘s not the people’s fault entirely. They have been manipulated by the media into fear, so the bankers/military complex can gain their desires with the support of the people. It‘s a game and voters that don’t do their homework and only watch tv “get sucked in” — in a bad way.
Report Post »getalong
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 2:22pmWhy is it that Ron Paul only pipes up during elections. Give me a list of bills he has co-sponsored or sponsored. If he runs as a 3rd party, he will guarantee that Obama will win. If he has any patriotism in him, he would understand how high the stakes are if Obama gets four more years, and he will throw his support behind the nominee. He is a poor loser. Probably never played any sports when he was a kid!
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 7:07pm@getalong I’m not going to do your homework for you, but I will state a few things to give you some direction to help you get started. First, all the things that he is talking about now are things that he is and recently has been, actively pursing by introducing bills.
Some big items that he has benn working at for 40 years (year after year) has been bills to do with monetary policy, auditing the Fed, making Roe vs Wade powerless, voting against the Patriot Act, trying to get the impeachment of Clinton to focus on his war crimes instead of the silly sex scandal, always pushing to stop spending, making currency competition legal, pushing free trade. terminating the UN, defining life to be at conception.
Is that a good enough start – these are just a few things off the top of my head, so don’t consider this anything near comprehensive.
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:42pmI will say this, the Paulies are very dedicated.
Report Post »garyM
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:45pmyes very dedicated turnips!
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:47pmTake notes Shasta, and Gary, get a life, you’re one of the biggest tool bags on this site.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:50pmShasta, do not listen to Garym, he is a Progressive, the type of Western Marxist that got us into this mess.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:24pmTheir problem is, they have been programmed with certain lines to use and all their discussions look like political ads.I came here to see a little discussion and all I find is the same old posts that I’ve been seeing on every internet forum over and over for more than three years. It’s more like some kind of software program is coming on and automatically posting them. Spooky.
Report Post »bringiton
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:39pmThink, Obot.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:49pmQP Willie
I‘m more then willing to openly debate any of Ron Paul’s views with you..
-Non-Interventionist vs progressive foreign policy
-Sound money vs fiat money
-Constitutional law vs crony law
You name it, we can debate it. Just let me know…
@GaryM
That goes for you as well….You and Willie talk smack on every post about the “hate” of the Paulies yet look at you all up and down this board. Does that make you a hypocrite? Anytime you’d like a honest debate, I’m game.
Report Post »garyM
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:41pmSpeaking of the 3 AM call, you’d need to worry about the 3 PM call with Ron Paul, he’d be taking a nap. He might as well be taking a nap, we wouldn’t have a defense force under him anyway!
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:49pmLook at you go dumb ass, keep it up, please.
Jeff65
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 4:50amRick Santorum – the biggest war monger of the bunch had said that even though he disagrees with Ron Paul 100%, he has a deep understanding of foreign affairs and would be the only other one that would be ready for the 3am phone call. — Strike one.
He is for making a stronger defense – it is the militarism that he wants to cut back on. — Strike two.
Report Post »garyM
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:32pmCome to think of it, I haven’t read any negative stories about Paul on the Blaze either, along with Huntsman and Romney!
Report Post »Founding Father2
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:44pmTHE GOP PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IS AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW: http://www.thedailycandidate.com/video/2011/nov/thanksgiving_gop_debate.html
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:50pmi’m surprised the BLAZE posted this story. i agree with Dr Paul on most things and only a few paulbots are truely annoying and only a handful of neo-morons. Cain/ Paul 2012
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 7:04pmHe has been on the government dole for 30yrs and somehow became a millionaire……..one the 1%
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 4:58am@RepubliCorp I don’t know what his net worth is, but I do know that he has voted against his raises every year and that he is not enrolled in the pension plan. Not only is he a wise man, but he is frugal. Anyone can become a millionare in 30 years (more like 60 years for Ron Paul). Try reading The Millionare Next Door. You can do it in a very low risk manner – it just takes a frugal and disciplined person and time.
It’s the congressmen that get 30 million in 8 years that you need to worry about.
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 5:01am@RepubliCorp You got something against the 1%? Are you one of those Marxist OWS guys?
I qualified OWS with Marxist, since I believe that not all of them are that.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:09amRead the definition of REPUBLICORP on internet — a group of CORPORATIONS of the GOP (probably part of the military/bankers complex I would guess from the posts I’ve seen).
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 7:11pm@Vechorik Ha – that’s funny. Placing his true nature in front of everyones face where everyone ignores it.
Report Post »garyM
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:28pmThe Ron Paul mentality is how we ended up with Obama last time, you don’t go with what someone says they will do but by what they have done, if Ron Paul was all he says he is, congress wouldn’t have an 8% approval rating! How many bills has Ron Paul sponsored and how many has he got through the house? I rest my case! If he wrote a bill he couldn’t present it!
Report Post »Bakko Bomma
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:37pmYour thinking is illogical. You deride the man for not being the Status Quo when the Status Quo got us all into this mess in the first place.
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:40pmWell there is 435 members of the house 8% approval, I am guessing Ron is in the 34 or so that make up the ones that they of approve. His district sure does love him.
Ron Paul sticks by his beliefs and morals. He has done it for 30 years in congress.
Look I am voting for Ron Paul regardless. I would rather lose with Paul, then get a guy that says one thing to get elected and does another. Do your research on Cain, Romney, Perry, and Gingrich. You will see.
Dont allow the media to tell you who to vote for. Come on sheep.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:42pmActually, the mentality that it’s ok to just vote party line gave us the likes of Bush 1 and 2 and all the constitution destroying that went on between the two of them, granted the son did a bang up job compared to his daddy. Your vote is not supposed to be cast for whom you would think sucks the least. I vote for who I want and if they aren’t there I do not vote for them.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:42pm*do not vote for any other, not ‘them’.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:44pmHe is fought by Progressives on both sides of the isle because he fights against the status quo constantly. Do not listen to this moron, look at Pauls voting record. He always stands for the Constitution in everything he does. He will not waiver, he will fight for Individual Liberty for everyone. He does not think in collective terms but in the rights of individuals. He does not have to move his position in order to get elected as his position is always backed by the Constitution. We have too many in Washington that think the Constitution is outdated and irrelevent. Wake Up.
Report Post »Swalker
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:46pmgaryM
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The Ron Paul mentality is how we ended up with Obama last time, you don’t go with what someone says they will do but by what they have done, if Ron Paul was all he says he is, congress wouldn’t have an 8% approval rating! How many bills has Ron Paul sponsored and how many has he got through the house? I rest my case! If he wrote a bill he couldn’t present it!
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Wow You are a smart man. you want people who pass laws ( a law is a right taken away) and you blame the Approval rating on Ron Paul. the only man who will stand up for the Constitution. Cute. I suppose you want him the vote for taking a little part of you free speech away or emanate domain to creep into your yard! He Got a bill passed in the house to audit the Federal Reserve. The only reason they got 8% was because of Ron Paul Without him there it would be 0% . I rest my
spankadonkey
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:56pmGARYM, you are so right again. For three weeks now I have been asking the Paulbutz to name three significant accomplishments from their boy. The only half baked response I have seen so far points to all the things he has said, but nothing he has done. I’ve said it before and I say it again – Ron Paul is all talk and no walk.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 7:27pm“At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.” (A. Lincoln)
Report Post »arndl9933
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 8:13pmHe has wrote a bill you fool, audit the fed. He has been talking about it since before he was in congress. You should do more reading and less watching msm.
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 9:39pmIf you want to waste a vote just because you think someone will win then you might at well let the stench of BO hang around for 4 more years. We have been so brainwashed to just pick who we think will win against someone because we are so influenced by the corrupt media. That is what they want. They want to give us only 2 of THEIR choices. BO or Romney, the corrupt puppet establishment. People should vote who they feel is best for this country. I am going to support Ron Paul in the primaries for the GOP candidacy no matter what because I think he is the ONLY one who can help turn things around and knows how to do so. I mean really, if it was Ron Paul and BO head to head for the 2012 presidency only an complete fool would vote for a man who had doubled unemployment, increased the wars and some unconstitutional, solar loan scandals, Fast and Furious, his corrupt administration, signing pacific free trade deals, suing states for enforcing immigration laws they are already supposed to etc. Dr. Ron Paul is highly educated, no one can play the stupid uneducated conservative card with him and he will destroy the stench of BO in any debates even if there allowed Obama to use a teleprompter. The only change people got from Obama is the change they get from begging on the streets after losing their jobs because of his policies.
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 5:13am@GARYM and @spankadonkey
It all depends on how you are measuring success. If you measure success by the number of bills successfully passed then you are on a fools task. (GaryM – that’s strike three).
Dr. Paul has introduced many bills, but he has naturally failed because there aren’t enough of him to get his bills passed. He has had many bills passed successfully, but not enough to give an appearance of success to shallow minded people.
His greatest success has been in turning the conversation to the things that matter. All the other candidates are trying to copy the things he has been saying for years (except foreign policy), but it is all a cheap copy.
Report Post »resme
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:27pmI’ll write Ron Paul in or vote for a third party.
Bring on the hate.
Report Post »garyM
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:35pmLike I said that’s how Obama got elected last time! I warned and the turnips voted!
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:37pmNo hate here. Just sadness to know that if there are enough people like you, Obama wins. Just like Ross Perot who gave us Clinton. I am hoping that Mr. Paul does not think so much of himself that he would do that to our wonderful country.
Report Post »momsense
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:38pmYou use a write in or vote for a third party and we’ll have Obozo re-elected. Is the death of this country worth your ego?
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:39pmHere is a post from another blog. I am seeing this more and more. I will vote for Paul if I have to write him in.
Attention Republican Parties of America….
Here this and hear it well. Ron Paul is your only chance to win the presidency in 2012. The formula is simple. If you keep ignoring him and pushing him away and pretending he’s not the best candidate, he WILL run as an independent or Libertarian candidate. If this happens, he will take many votes from the Republican puppet, lesser-of-evils candidate and Obama will win.
If, however, you embrace Paul and run him against Obama, he will win the presidency. Why? Because Paul has a HUGE Democratic party following who will switch parties to vote for him. The independent vote will go to him. He’ll get ALL the Republican votes. He’ll pull people to the polls who haven’t voted in years. Name one other Republican candidate that can claim all that!
There is not a snowball’s chance in hell that Obama could beat Paul as the Republican nominee. Obama can and will beat any other candidate you put against him.
You lose Paul to the independents or libertarians and you lose the race. Write that down.
Choose well.
I do not agree that BO will win but that Paul will win with write in votes or a third party run.
Report Post »resme
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:43pmYou are telling me to vote for another republican that continues democrat policies, Just at a slower pace, No thanks.
Whats the difference in obama and bush?
Sorry guys, tax reform won’t fix the country.
Report Post »resme
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:52pmbetween*
Report Post »burned at edges
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:04pmMcCowski from alaska won in Alaska with a write in campaing why not Ron Paul…except this one would be grass roots done by the voters I think. I would do it in a heartbeat! Maybe then the Republican party would realize that the Tea Party is serious!
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:42pmLBJ, Nixon, JFK,Ike and I believe a couple of other all won thru write in….
Ron Paul will be my vote no matter what…
Report Post »BenFranklinLivesHere
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 6:09pmmomsense
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:38pm
You use a write in or vote for a third party and we’ll have Obozo re-elected. Is the death of this country worth your ego?
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That’s the kind of brainwashing that keeps us getting these dirtbags for representatives. The narrative is always, “If you vote for Ron Paul, Obama gets elected”. Or, “Ross Perot got Clinton elected”.
WTF is the matter with your brains? It‘s the people that don’t vote for Paul that gets Obama or another progressive R elected. I‘m with those who say they’ll write in Paul or vote 3rd party if another dirty lying politician gets the nomination.
Paul 2012!
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 6:22pmhow did voting for Mccain work out? NO Romney, No Obama i like CAIN but will gladly and proudly vote for Paul …. even if i have to write his name on the ballot
Report Post »Rob
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 8:42pmBring on the socialist victory….
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 9:47pmYou could easily flip this around, people say it is the fault of those who voted for Ron Paul and Ross Perot that gave us Clinton and Obama, but why do you single out them? Couldn‘t it easily be said that those who didn’t vote for Ron Paul and Ross Perot gave them the election because they held on to the view they MUST vote for the corrupt establishment or who the media has chosen for them. The American people just need to flips sides and support the real candidates 100% no matter what. Our country is going to fall whether regardless if it is Obama or another RINO, Only those like Dr. Paul have what it takes to turn things around that is why I will support him no matter what the consequence people need to come to our side, not try to convince us to compromise like ignorant sheep and slowly walk to our destruction.
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 5:17amGARYM – you already have three strikes — your out!
You better vote for Ron Paul or Obama will win.
Report Post »Love_John_Galt
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 6:34amMy entire family will write in Ron Paul‘s name if he’s not on the ballet.
I will not be ‘forced’ to vote for another dishonest/corrupt candidate just because they can beat the current dishonest/corrupt president. If there are not enough principled people at the polls – then we deserve what we get!
We must stand on Constitutional principles if this country is to survive this mess.
Report Post »Gauleiter
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:27pmI changed my party affiliation to vote for the good Doctor. Hopefully the corporate press’s strangle hold on American minds will fad away. If not we can all look forward to the collapse of our once grand country…
Report Post »momsense
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:40pmThe good doctor will have you annihilated with an Iranian bomb— will you vote for someone who is living in the international land of La La?
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 6:59pmThe tuff talk about Iran is what got Obama elected last time…Iran gets a nuke wether they make it themselves or Russia,North Korea,Pakistan,China or some other country hands one over to them…It has been Russia helping them along…Iran would be a proxy-war with Russia…
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 7:51pm@momsense Iran is a joke. Iran is not able to militarily or technologically compete with any highly developed Nation. A nuclear weapon is much more difficult to use, then it is to make it. Look at North Korea and their many failed mini missile launch tests. Iran just recently blew up one of their own facilities! These suicidal idiots are playing with fire, and they’re going to get burned. Sorry, but I find Freddy Kruger scarier than Iran. I will lose no sleep or run scared like a sissy because of Iran. Our collapsing economy and the immorality and ignorance of our youth is a bigger threat than Iran can ever impose.
The defense policy of the United States is based on a simple premise: The United States does not start fights. We will never be an aggressor. We maintain our strength in order to deter and defend against aggression – to preserve freedom and peace. – Reagan
America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She well knows that by enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standards of freedom. – JQ Adams
Just my two cents.
A Conservative realistic view of foreign policy. Check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 10:22pmWho takes a country to war? People keep talking about this Ron Paul/ Iran thing and I have a couple questions. If Iran is a real threat, who initiates war? The congress! So what are you worried about Ron Paul for on this issue. Ron Paul has repeatedly said that he will go to war in defense of this country, he is trying to end the endless worthless world wars that we are end now that are plunging us into bankruptcy and making us more enemies. Besides, Iran is not some small country like Afghanistan they also enjoy Russian and Chinese support. I think in my opinion it is dangerous talk when our economy is about to collapse and $15 Trillion in debt to already be thinking about who we are going to go to war with next as if our money is limitless and the blood of our soldiers is expendable. Besides we can’t even go to war anymore with country. When a country goes to war you annihilate it as quickly as possible and immediately return. What do we do, we bomb a little, then we set up bases, and nation build and reconstruct and try to set up a government and all that nonsense, that is not war it is foolishness.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:01amI agree 100% with ShyLow
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 6:59pm
“The tuff talk about Iran is what got Obama elected last time…Iran gets a nuke wether they make it themselves or Russia,North Korea,Pakistan,China or some other country hands one over to them…It has been Russia helping them along…Iran would be a proxy-war with Russia…!”
Why do you think Obama put a base in Australia, right next to CHINA! All of these “I fear for Israel. I fear Iran people” better take a look at history, the map and learn how countries are CONNECTED as far as beliefs/military.
China has warned the US already “hand off Iran”
Report Post »Who is the US going to run to next time we need money? Huh?
Swalker
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:16pmI have searched and searched and can find not one who could stand up to Ron Paul. He is and always has been on message, Truth is all this man knows and he knows the Constitution.
Report Post »He has my vote.
Shasta
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:22pmAs long as he has this ludicrous foreign policy stance, in such a dangerous world, I could never vote for him.
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:28pm@sha
What is crazy about his policy?
Dont be the army for other nations?
Dont be the police around the world?
Dont give other nations money to be our friend?
Go to congress to get a declaration of war before committing troops to attack?
Man you are right. Those are CRAZY IDEAS!!!!!
Report Post »garyM
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:30pmShasta
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:22pm
As long as he has this ludicrous foreign policy stance, in such a dangerous world, I could never vote for him.
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Report Post »A man as ignorant about foriegn policy as he is has got to be totally ignorant and he acts like it to me!
Swalker
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:31pm@Shasta So you choose to have a Foreign policy of police actions that last decades and negotiations with other countries that cost us billions of aid and gain nothing in return. You would that we give arms to countries that hate us and build them up so they can be the next police action we have to fight with our hands tied. You would have us send our young into a war zone and be nice and friendly while they die. Nice choice. Ron Paul believes in answering the aggression with War, Real devastation and total elimination. That is a real bargaining position to work with.. I like his way better.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:33pmSaid it on another page already, but looks like I gotta again about his foreign policy. Our own FBI and CIA have stated our foreign policy is largely to blame for 9/11. That is not ludicrous, that is a large part of what made the world so dangerous as you see it today. Reagan pulled our troops out of the middle east, do you think he was ludicrous for doing so? Reagan recognized that region should be left along so they can just war all they like. His position is to stay here at home, be friendly and trade with everyone and ally with no one. We have bases in 170 nations effectively occupying those nations. That is ludicrous. Our military is stretched way too thin and the spending on military that goes on is mind boggling. His stance is to stop that spending and seriously curtail it and direct all that money into defense spending. No, Shasta, I’ve liked your other posts, but I do not agree that the United States of America is the police of the world and the personal guard for corporations.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:35pmOh look, Gary showed up, you missed my other posts then to you on other pages :) I’ll put them here for you.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:36pmShasta, he is right on in his foriegn policy stance. Quit listening to the media. Do you think that we should police the world and spread democracy through military force? We are broke! Do you know that or are you thinking we can just continue to spend trillions to take care of everyone? We would be better off stopping the insanity, bringing our troops home and making our military the strongest in the world. Noone but Russia and China would ever be a threat to us. We now have a guided jet bomb that can reach anwhere in the world in an hour!! If we fall financially, where will we be then? Liberty lost and under the control of the U.N. Our military is streched so far around the world that they are in more peril for being there. Scenario: North Korea decides to nuke South Korea, we have 25,000 troops there that would be in peril of being wiped out in an instant if they did. Would that make us more safe? Eveyone needs to start using common sense here. The Constitution, which most in Congress and the Administration think is a joke anymore. Wake up people.
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:40pm@martinez012577, he is fine with Iran, who vows to destroy the US and Israel and bring on WW3, to have a nuclear weapon. Sorry, but the world is far to dangerous for a separatist. He wants open borders and blanket amnesty for illegal aliens. Sorry, just could not vote for the guy.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:06pmgaryM
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:30pm
A man as ignorant about foriegn policy as he is has got to be totally ignorant and he acts like it to me!
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Oh man!…..you just characterized President George Washington as ignorant!:
“Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.
The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible.”
Report Post »-President George Washington, September 19, 1796
KidCharlemagne
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:13pmShasta
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:22pm
As long as he has this ludicrous foreign policy stance, in such a dangerous world, I could never vote for him.
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What’s ludicrous about it? He‘s using President George Washington’s foreign policy:
“George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796″
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp
You don’t think George Washington had a good foreign policy?…..
Report Post »smokeysmoke
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 6:27pmim just afraid that with a billion dollars the O team could make his just look like a senile old man…. dont get me wrong i really like ron. but for those idiots who dont pay attention i think the media would have an easy time misrepresenting what ron is saying……
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 8:02pmYeah. Our founding fathers knew a thing or two about war.
Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few … No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. – James Madison
The constitution vests the power of declaring war in Congress; therefore no offensive expedition of importance can be undertaken until after they shall have deliberated upon the subject and authorized such a measure. – Washington
The power to declare war, including the power of judging the causes of war, is fully and exclusively vested in the legislature … the executive has no right, in any case, to decide the question, whether there is or is not cause for declaring war. – Madison
I have ever deemed it fundamental for the United States never to take active part in the quarrels of Europe [insert the Middle East here]. Their political interests are entirely distinct from ours. Their mutual jealousies, their balance of power, their complicated alliances, their forms and principles of government, are all foreign to us. They are nations of eternal war. – Jefferson
Jefferson, Washington and Madison were absolutely right.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 8:18pmHitler said, when announcing the Gestapo to the people, “An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great Nation. We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland.”
The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. – Madison
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. – Madison
Each generation should be made to bear the burden of its own wars, instead of carrying them on, at the expense of other generations. – Madison
Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad. – Madison
History teaches that war begins when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap. – Reagan
A nuclear war cannot be won, and must never be fought. – Reagan
Where is it written in the Constitution, in what section or clause is it contained, that you may take children from their parents and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battle in any war in which the folly or the wickedness of government may engage it? – Daniel Webster
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 8:21pmThe founding father’s foreign policy ALWAYS put the interest of the American people first; taking into consideration OUR personal liberties and wealth above every Nation. I don’t fear men in robes living in caves with goats in the middle of a desert. My concern is an arbitrary all encompassing all knowing Centralized Government that unconstitutionally expands its federal Powers to pursuit special agendas and foreign interests because it believes that it knows whats best for you and me.
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 10:22pm@sha
Isreal can take care of Isreal. Iran poses no real threat to us. Lets say they did try and launch a missile at us. We have the technology to shoot it down. Isreal also has the technology to shoot it down. Once the missile was down, the Isrealies would wipe Iran off the map. The Isrealies have our jets, bombs, and other tech. Iran has sand, camels, and rugs.
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 5:29am@SHASTA Where did you get the idea that Ron Paul wants open boarders with blanket amnesty?
He has said that he wouldn’t try to round up 12 million people, but he would stop giving them things that only citizens should get. He would stop this anchor baby stuff. If they want to become citizens then they would have to go throught the normal processes and if they were caught doing something illegal, they would be sent back.
Report Post »Underground Man
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:15pm*sigh* If only there were a presidential candidate with Paul’s views, Cain’s charisma, Gingrich’s brains, and Romney’s looks.
Report Post »AmericanPatriot01
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 3:57amWell there will never be that until Christ himself comes back to Earth, So my advice is to choose the one candidate that will return the USA to its rightful heritage and restore God’s nation, here on Earth. Ron Paul.
Here is the one thing I am sure of; The constitution is what made this country great. restoring the Constitution, Free Markets and personal liberties will put us on the path to healing our great nation. It is the RIGHT thing to do, for the country. NO ONE has promoted those policies more (and Consistantly for the past 3 decades) than Ron Paul.
WAKE UP!
Report Post »Underground Man
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:41amAMERICAN PATRIOT01,
I am wide awake, thank you kindly.
Report Post »SheriS
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:14pmPaul and Gingrich are two candidates I would never give my vote to! Held my nose as I voted for McCain the last time and I won’t do that again. Gingrich is such a phony with so much disgusting baggage and yesterday we found out he worked for Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac! What a sell out he has become and so full of himself as he has always been! Calista best watch out as he has dumped at least a couple of wives, one on her deathbed! Yes, he is smart in the brain way, but stupid as far as reality goes!
Report Post »Underground Man
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:27pmWhat is your problem with Paul then?
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:14amYour pont will be the down fall of the Romney – Gingrich campaign as the democratic – socialists attack them. However you are not correct concerning Ron Paul. There is a very good chance he and Herman Cain will pull together as an independent team and move against both the democratic-socialists and the GOP. They could secure an easy majority if this were to occur. Ron Paul pulled in nearly 20% of popular voted in the last election. Imagine what he could do with Herman Cain as a running mate? Neither are politicians and owe no allegiance to any party or person, they are exactly what is needed to set this country back on its constitutional tracks and remove it form its socialists bound communist tracks.
Report Post »We are left with the choice of Romney (socialists lite), Obama (Socialists – Communist Zealot) or Ron Paul (Constitutionalist). Herman can easily balance out Ron and I think Ron is wise enough to listen to Herman concerning the issues of this country. They disagree on the FED and that is a good point as it brings balance to the issue. These two do agree that the Socialists departments which have been constructed in Washington DC for the past 50 years are unconstitutional and need to be dismantled. They can accomplish this action and put this country back on the right tracks. Obama is part of the ongoing global socialists movement, he is useless to the future of America and Romney is simply Obama lite.
BJColter Country Music Iconoclast
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:14pmI like Paul, and will vote for him if he wins Repub, or goes third party. It’s time. He really reflects Christian values. If a politician is not aligned with Jesus, he’s out, as far as I’m concerned. Here’s a song about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHswcsw6O_0
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:12pmWe know who the smartest guy on stage always is (and it ain’t Newt by a longshot!):
“Congressman Ron Paul
U.S. House of Representatives
July 16, 2002
However, despite the long-term damage to the economy inflicted by the government’s interference in the housing market, the government’s policies of diverting capital to other uses creates a short-term boom in housing. Like all artificially-created bubbles, the boom in housing prices cannot last forever. When housing prices fall, homeowners will experience difficulty as their equity is wiped out. Furthermore, the holders of the mortgage debt will also have a loss. These losses will be greater than they would have otherwise been had government policy not actively encouraged over-investment in housing.
Perhaps the Federal Reserve can stave off the day of reckoning by purchasing GSE debt and pumping liquidity into the housing market, but this cannot hold off the inevitable drop in the housing market forever. In fact, postponing the necessary but painful market corrections will only deepen the inevitable fall. The more people invested in the market, the greater the effects across the economy when the bubble bursts.”
Report Post »http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-09-26/ron-paul-on-the-housing-bubble-july-2002/
rock-n-roll-rebel
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:10pmHe is still the most honest contender.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:14pmI will not argue against Freedom and the Constitution!
Report Post »Thurston Bell
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:10pmGood for the Evangelicals (who James Dobson reported in the 90′s receive 60% of Abortion Services in America).
Those folks need some sanity, and need to learn responsibilty and self-reliance.
I have been there and done that, and glad for the few who held the line as I awakened..
Report Post »nobummer12
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:09pmRon Paul is the only real American I see running.
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:26pmSo once again the Paulies are saying that anyone who does not agree that Mr. Paul is the best and only choice for president is unamerican. I disagree with Mr. Paul on several major issues and I disagree with some of his supporter’s tactics, but I have never called any of you unamerican.
Report Post »resme
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:29pmThey’ve always implied Ron Paul was un-american in 2007 and 2008.
Report Post »endgamer
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:34pmShasta, Who TF cares what you think.. We do not need your vote. We paultards don’t care about your opinion.. We get it, you don’t. Real simple.
Report Post »Bakko Bomma
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:39pmSHASTA
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:26pm
So once again the Paulies are saying that anyone who does not agree that Mr. Paul is the best and only choice for president is unamerican.
No we say that anyone who doesn’t agree is an idiot. Being an idiot is pretty damned American.
Report Post »mathews2113
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 6:14pmi like Ron Paul in a lot if way‘s but i sure hope Ron Paul isn’t anything like his liberal acting supporters. If he is, in no way i would vote for him. If he wins the primary . I would have to write in mickey mouse instead.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 7:21pmmathews2113, what’s liberal about Ron Paul supporters? I’m a Tea Party Christian VietNam vet and Dr. Paul is my choice for the nomination. I’m definitely not liberal in any sense of the word. Neither is Dr. Paul.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 12:10pmShasta, Now you show your real colors. You acted as if you were a person teetering on your views of Paul, but you are a plant that is just trying to sway Paul supporters just like Garyn. Progressives both of you. You will not sway us as we are on a mission. As the Blue Bros said: “We are on a mission from God” We will vote for Ron Paul, We will write him in if we have to and if that means four more years of BO then so be it. It will prove that people just mindlessly vote for whom they are told and we are toast anyway. If conservatives are so concerned about this, their only hope is to vote for Paul.
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:09pmKeep your religion out of woman’s privacy decisions.
Report Post »Underground Man
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:21pmThe termination of human life is not a “privacy” issue. Pro-life and pro-choice libertarians at least respect each other’s opinions because, unlike traditional conservatives and moonbat progressives, they assume good faith and recognize it’s a complex ethical issue.
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:31pmKeep your women that dont understand what birthcontrol and adoption from taking money from the federal govt. to kill babies. Since you are so concerned about rights, what about those childrens rights?
Report Post »rock-n-roll-rebel
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:08pmHe is still the most honest guy running for president.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:06pmHo boy, bring on the Paul haters.
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:31pmWow, just because most of us do not agree with Mr. Paul, does not mean we hate him. Take a breath and relax.
Report Post »The-Real-Enrico
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:59pm@Shasta Agreed. Infact I believe that he is right on ALMOST on everything. We do need a Ron Paul. I just don’t if it is this one.
Report Post »spankadonkey
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:11pmYes, I don‘t hate Ron Paul and I don’t wish him any ill. It’s the actions of the Paulbutz that make me very leery of him. I can’t support him because he has never accomplished anything significant.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:30pmShasta I wasn’t meaning someone like you who stays logical. More talking about Gary and others on this site that comment pretty viciously against him, they can be defined as haters.
Report Post »Bakko Bomma
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 5:53pmIf “most of us” don’t agree with Ron Paul then refer to the 80/20 Rule.
Report Post »No Free Beer
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:02pmRon Paul is the ONLY candidate…
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:28pmThen he has already won? Good, they can stop these ridiculous debates.
Report Post »ShawnB
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 2:23pmAgreed
Report Post »LiberalMarine
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 4:01pmRon Paul is the only person I could see myself voting for at this point.
Report Post »Mr. Oshawott
Posted on November 19, 2011 at 8:48pm@LiberalMarine
Same here. As of right this moment, Ron Paul is the only candidate that has proposed the idea of ending the Federal Reserve and returning to the gold standard, ending the 10-year-old unjustified wars of Iraq and Afghanistan, and exercising a $1 trillion cut in spending. All of the other candidates running against him seem to be only interested in preserving the status quo.
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