Ron Paul Would ‘Cut All Foreign Aid’…Even to Israel
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As Tuesday night’s GOP presidential debate turned to the topic of foreign policy, Ron Paul said he would cut “all foreign aid.” When asked if such cuts would also apply to Israel, Paul said, “I would cut all foreign aid. I would treat everybody equally.”
“That foreign aid makes Israel dependent on us…They should have their sovereignty back,” Paul reasoned.
“To cut military spending is a wise thing to do. We would be safer if we weren’t in so many places…We have an empire. We can’t afford it,” Paul asserted.
Rick Santorum disagreed, however, stating, “I would absolutely not cut one penny out of military spending…The only thing that the federal government can do that no other level of government can do is protect us.”
Michele Bachmann also blasted Paul’s comment, stating, ”We should not be cutting foreign aid to Israel…Israel is our greatest ally.”
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Fella
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:37pmWhy do people accept the false premise that Israel even needs our aid? Aren’t they capable of funding thier own defense? Lastly, why are we led to assume that the U.S. would not lend aid if the situation were to arise that called for it, either militarily or financially?
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:40pm@Fella, good question. The answer is that with aid comes the leash. Thus Bush and Obama did not allow Israel to take out Iranian nuclear plant the same way as USA government in the past forced Israel out of Suez canal and Sinai. Aid is the bullying in practice.
On top of that Pentagon wants to harvest the superior know-how Israel can come up with (without paying fair market price.) Affirmative action education here at home does not cut it anymore,… look at NASA.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:01amGood points. May I add, concerning Congressman Paul. We’re not a Global Communist Government and Police Force that dictates to other Nations what they can and can’t do within their own borders. Ron Paul said that if Israel feels threatened by Iran that they should go right ahead and take care of them. And that if they are in need of aid and ask for help that he would not decline. He actually respects Israel’s independence and sovereignty. He understands that our subsidies and meddling in the Middle East keeps Israel from making its own decisions. Israel knows what’s best for itself. I think we should trust Israel and stop thinking we know better than Israel. Ron Paul supported Israel when they bombed Iraq’s facilities, when many others didn’t. He wrote a constitutional Letter of Marque to go after Bin Laden and his minions. He co-sponsored a bill to go into Afganishtan to capture those responsible for terrorist attacks, like Al Qaeda. He urged Congress and the federal administration to go into Pakistan to get Bin Laden, when most other officials doubted he was even there. He is in favor of Pilots being armed and ready for defense, and that we should profile and investigate real suspects in an airport. He is in favor of stopping all foreign aid, and thus stop funding Israel’s enemies. Israel is one of the greatest powers in the Middle East right now. They know about a thing or two about fighting against several enemies all at once. Of course we got their backs.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:13am@REPUBLICORP You really should stop using the Marxist’s tactics.
Paul is stealing votes from Obama and getting people to support limited Government and Constitutional principles. I thought that’s what candidates in a race are supposed to do to WIN in a general election. TRY TO GET THE MOST VOTES. AND TO TAKE VOTES AWAY FROM THE OTHER GUY. Heck, that’s one of the most American things to do. To persuade and convince voters to come and vote for you, to abandon the other guy. Unimaginable, it is to me, how that can hurt anybody or our cause. Getting people to vote for a Constitutionalist Republican is seen as concerning? And once again, Paul has not personally been affiliated or associated with these groups or persons. Do you forget that we live in America, one of the most diverse Nations on earth, both socially and politically? We have free and open elections. Our Citizens, no matter the class, political or religious presuasion or status, may vote for whomever they want. And there’s nothing a candidate can do stop them. To think that a candidate must keep a watch over every supporter, group or voter is plain nonsense. Paul doesn’t beleive in Big Government nor impleming it in his personal life against others.
Report Post »LIBERTYFADING
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:47amrepublicorp’s comments never have any substance to them, only petty name calling. Hard to take someone seriously or have a debate when he/she uses emotion and derogatory names to get a point across…
Report Post »nmgunman
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:55amAmen brother! We are broke as hell and don’t have the money to fund other countries in the first place. Plus, Ron Paul made a good point about dependency also. Like he said too it softens their economy. Cut all the foreign aid and save our government billions of dollars! Ron Paul is the only candidate that makes any sense…people have just been brainwashed over the years to think that we MUST give money to other countries to be our friend. Do the people thinking this way buy their friends? I doubt it.
Report Post »Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:02amThere’s an agenda to keep Ron Paul with the kooks. Look at the headline.
Conservatives act as if we are not policing the world with our exorbitant military spending. But we are.
Israel isn‘t always right because it’s Israel that is foolish, ask Isaiah or Ezekiel!
Report Post »ClassicalLiberal
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:22amOur aid hurts Israel. A free market think-tank has shown this in studies. Neocons dont care. They like welfare for some, not others.
Here is another piece on the negative impacts of US aid from the Jerusalem Institute of Market Studies by Yarden Gazit.
http://www.jims-israel.org/pdf/PPusaidEnglish.pdf
Short version:
Report Post »http://www.jims-israel.org/pdf/PRUSAidEnglish.pdf
Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:23amBecause you want to cut aide to isreal, does not mean you are Anti-Israel. Because we Aide Israel, they have to come to us and ask if they can protect themselves.
Now everyone here (well most), says that the government should not get in the way of the people protecting themselves. Should we get in the way of Israel protecting themselves?
Now if they pretected themselves and we went after them, then we would be Anti-Israel and I Don’t think Paul would go after Israel for protecting themselves.
We also give Aide to countries that want to wipe Israel off the map, and if we quit that aide also, Israels form of gov would prosper, while the other sank because they are no longer getting their hand outs…..Is cutting aide to Israel a bad thing…..I don’t think so, as long as we are cutting aid to everyone else as well….
Report Post »Applehead
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:30amIt’s sad when we vote for President of the United States based on what he will do for Israel a independent nation!!! We have a serious Zionist problem in the USA or it would be treasonist to do so!!!
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:34amYes, we need to get the f out of Israel’s way. “They should have their sovereignty back. The should be able to deal with their neighbors at their own will.” If you disagree with that, then you are no better than Hitler(not the mass murder side) or Rome. Are we the fourth reich? We should not be building an empire, neocons. Foreign aid is not authorized by the constitution! It should be done by private organizations, churches, etc. Borrow money from China with oppressive interest to taxpayers to GIVE money away to other countries?? You cannot be that stupid!
Some how Beck’s little minion Pat says that Paul is not a friend to Israel. HOW!?!?!?! That is such a liberal leap in logic. IT IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL. Does Paul give personal money to Israel? Does Paul’s christian faith support Israel? Pat, you don’t know s***. I am Jewish and I want America’s money and influence out of the middle east. I want Israel to be FREE to destroy anyone that attacks them. I don’t want to deal with some idiot like Clinton, Bush, Obama with regards to Israel’s “peace”. How’s it working so far?
We are not the world peacemaker and should not be dealing as such. We are a haven of liberty and if you **** with us we crush you… then come home.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:40amIsrael doesn’t need the aid of any man.
They have the divine hand of YHWH covering them. They shall not be harmed until YHWH removes his divine hand from covering them. It‘s YHWH’s decision. They know that.
They know that Yahushua Ha Moshiach IS YHWH (Jesus Christ the Savior is GOD) and that their rejection of Yahushua is why they have so much unrest at the hands of their enemies, which are surrounding them.
They simply must return to Yahushua, return to YHWH.
Ron Paul 2012
“I was naked and you clothed me. I was sick, and you took care of me. I was in prison, and you came to me.”
Feed the hungry. Clothe the naked. Heal the sick. Minister to the prisoner.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:45amIt‘s not the government’s job to give to foreign nations on your behalf. It’s up to you to personally do that, or do that through your church by donations and tithing.
The government wants to take that responsibility from you so that they can steal your inheritance in Heaven, because giving out of the kindness of your heart is storing up riches in Heaven, but when the government takes it from you, and gives it on your behalf, they steal your gift and give it on behalf of Satan, and they use the gift they stole from you to lend the giftee into debt bondage.
Report Post »Callisto
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:25amAgreed. It hurts Israel to even be receiving our welfare money (when of course we can’t afford it ourselves). When we cut off all foreign aid, including Israel’s, the Arabs will have one less excuse to recognize Israel as a truly sovereign and independent state. A country that cannot survive without another’s money being simply given to them is not sovereign or independent at all. Dr. Paul does believe we should be friends and trade partners, however – just that we shouldn’t hand out money. I don’t just give over my money to my best friends just *because* we’re friends. Israel is the most powerful country in the region and would be more powerful without our welfare money. Instead, American businesses should go to Israel and do business with them, and vice versa.
Report Post »American_Made
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:42amExactly, why are we borrowing money from china to give to anyone? Paul is correct.
Report Post »Pyronaught
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:47amSo then the next question is why does Isreal take our aid? I would think they would rather not have the leash that comes with it.
Report Post »motonutt
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:48amI would say…..let’s deeply revue the aid that Israel is getting and totally revamp it. Israel IS an island in a sea of sharks wanting to devour them. They may need our help, but lets see what they are getting and get them what they need, and stop giving them what they don’t need.
Report Post »SeanW
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:56amAn alliance denotes equality. There is no equality between us and Israel. Without our $6 Billion in aid annually (the largest recipient of financial assistance from the United States pre-Iraq war) they cease to exist. What have we gotten in return? Not a damn thing but pain and suffering, ours and the Israeli’s neighbors. Let them lie in the bed they have made without us paying for the house, the bed, and the security.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:07amIf nothing else observe how effective the Media’s use of pro Israeli propaganda has been. When someone attempts to make well reasoned logical arguments that do not necessarily put Israel’s needs above the interests of the US then they are attacked in every conceivable way..
The propaganda is very effective. You can’t even reason with these people. Really sad that so many can be do deceived and so downright ignorant.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:23amFrankly, that is one of the largest “wealth redistribution” schemes and we’ve been doing it for decades! Worse, we have been giving money to regimes we would insist on ‘regime change’ in as though we were allies. Israel has been #1 for decades and Egypt has been #2 (in more ways than one, IMHBLO). Yet, they are mortal enemies. We have bought and paid for peace in this region for a long time. Now, we may have to shed some blood, too.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:26amRon Paul is wrong on somethings but right on a lot of things. If he was a little more pro-active on stopping unstable countries from aquiring nukes he would have my vote hands down. As far as his views on economic,shrinking government and returning defense department back to a defense the department and not an offense department I with him 110%
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:36am@VMAN
Report Post »I agree, and it’s refreshing to hear that argument without the christian/pagan white-washing. Sometimes it feels lonely when the Jews dislike you because they think you are too Christian and the Christians dislike you because you are too Jew. Lol.
motonutt
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:36amI want to clairify so I don’t get lambasted here…..the aid I’m talking about is military technology, equipment if they need it, not us giving it to them, they would have to purchase it. I agree, no more welfare, no more paying for every jew on the planet to come to Israel and live on our dime. I’m mainly talking about our industrial might to supply them with what they need to protect themselves. Not a hand out from the american taxpayers.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:23pmsmithclar3nc3: Realistically how do you accomplish that? That’s all Paul is saying. We’ve lived with Russia, China, Israel, France, etc for decades.. Mutual destruction is really the only option for the problem/issue you raise.. We can‘t invade or bomb every nation that we don’t approve of that desires to go Nuclear.
Report Post »Biscuit Feed Bubba
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:26pm** http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Laffer-Cain-tax-plan/2011/10/19/id/414998?s=al&promo_code=D49D-1
Economist and former Reagan adviser Arthur Laffer says Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 tax plan is a good one.
“(The) plan was designed to be what economists call ‘static revenue neutral,’ which means that if people didn’t change what they do under his plan, total tax revenues would be the same as they are under our current tax code,” Laffer writes in The Wall Street Journal, adding that he believes that with the boost Cain’s plan would give to economic growth it would bring in even more revenue than expected.
“Once the dynamics take hold, many of those below the poverty line will find good jobs and thus will rise above the poverty line and start paying taxes,” says Laffer.
Report Post »AZindependent
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:42pmWell given the positive comments on this issue, who you going to vote for? Time to take a closer look at the man who has a slight chance at saving this country. He would cut $1 trillion in his first budget, now we’re talking. He would not cut social security or medicare, hear that seniors, he would take back the control of our money from the PRIVATELY OWNED Federal Reserve Bank and give us sound, stable money to build a sound, stable economy. He promotes FAIR trade in which companies here in the United States can compete with slave labor countries around the world. He would like to cut enough government spending to end the Income tax (not this tax shifting and raising 999 tax scheme crap coming from a former FED director). Come on America wake up and take a chance, vote for liberty and freedom, vote for Ron Paul.
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Applehead
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:54pmDTOM, I agree with everything you said! Israel should be able to do anything they want as a independent country! We should not tell them what to do to defend themselves! You get call anti semitic for using the word Neocon or Zionist but all they mean is not to give your blind support to Israel on everything and not to make war to control the world! I just want Israel out of our business and us out of theres!! No foreign aid to any country! Every country need to figure out a way to make it on their own like every individual!
Report Post »Clive
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:09pmtotally agree with Libertyluvnmomma. ron is right on this one. To think that we borrow money from china to give it to ANYONE besides ourselves is ludicrous. Like he said, if the situation arises, where they need our help, we will be there to help, but the era of giving them cash and weapons for nothing should come to an end.
the reason i would vote for paul is because he has always been consistent. and i believe that mitt, cain, perry, etc. are essentially the same person as obama.
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:41pmsounds like you all would be fine if obama cuts off the money to israel. just wanted to be clear.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 4:17pm@RIVERDOG1 That would not be fine. To cut off financial aid to Israel while yet providing financial aid to every other Nation including Israel’s enemies is stupid. Paul is proposing to cut off all financial aid to all foreign nations, especially to Israel’s enemies. Nice try on trying to slander the intention and purpose of cutting all foreign financial aid. But it didn’t work.
Report Post »Vindex.Dogood
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 4:25pmWOW! I am very encouraged by all the positive, clear thinking, posts on this issue. People finally seem to see through the big government propaganda. Maybe this country still has a chance to return to liberty, sound money, and Constitutional values!
Report Post »Vindex.Dogood
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:12pmThis story really backfired on the Blaze. They underestimated how the readers felt about foreign aid (as Paul said, taking money from poor Americans and giving it to rich leaders in poor countries). Trying to play the Israel sympathy card has failed them. “Bachmann also blasted Paul’s comment…” We see the journalistic bent.
Report Post »jgsr
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:14pmFELLA, look at a globe….Israel would fit into Louisiana 4 times, and there would still be LA left over.
Report Post »They are tiny.
They are the ONLY friend we have in the Mideast. The Mideast is where the world’s largest oil reserves are.
EVEN if we make the smart choice to become totally self reliant for our oil needs, we still have to assure the continued flow of oil to other Countries that owe our Country money. Nations not paying us because of going bankrupt due to the cut off of their imported oil needs, changes America….ask any lawyer to explain the ripple effects of what any person/any entity filing bankruptcy does to ALL that entity’s creditors.
We have so many bases seemingly unnecessary around the world, it’s a simple misconception of what the “value” of all those bases ARE.
Most likely you do, or certainly know people that have rented storage rooms to store their “stuff”…IN CASE they might need something in storage……might need quick access to their “stuff”
Every Military needs 500 times more “stuff” than they need personnel.
Read the book Into The Storm….it’s an entire book devoted to how much “stuff” the US had to move in order to supply and re-supply all branches of our Military for the very short ‘91 1st Gulf War….
You will be amazed at how much “stuff” our military branches all need. It’s overwhelming in magnitude.
We need places around the world to store our “stuff” if and when we need it.
You pay a “monthly fee” to store YOU
Captainshays
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:15pmWe subsidize Isreal to the tune of $3.5 Billion per year. We subsidize Israel’s enemies to the tune of $7.5 Billion per year. If we ended ALL subsidies to ALL countries Israel would be much better off. Also, during the Bush administration and after 911 the Palestinians built a school with a portion of the $1.5 Billion per year subsidies we give to them…….then……they named that school after a suicide murderer.’
Report Post »Because of the subsidies that we give to Israel people in our government think they have a say in how they defend themselves and or deal with their enemies. So, during the Oslo accords Bill Clinton sided with Arafat in his demands to release 1,000 Palestinian prisoners held by the Israeli’s. Israel gave in and released them. One of them was Mohammod Atta who flew a plane full of people into the World Trade Center on 911. AGAIN Ron Paul is right
spurjimmy
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:42pmRon Paul for Fed Chief
Report Post »RONALD A PAYNE I
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:49pmI agree with what he say’s. The constitution does not provide for it, regardless of what you want. We can,t have it both ways. I will stand with the Constitution and it’s control it represents for the Federal Government. HOWEVER, IT DOES NOT STOP US AS A FREE PEOPLE FROM SEND OUR MONEY DIRECT TO ISRAEL, AS WE SHOULD. This will keep our money out of the hands of the EVIL ONES, THE ONE,S THAT DESPISE THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:47pm@smithclar3nc3,
“Ron Paul is wrong on somethings but right on a lot of things. If he was a little more pro-active on stopping unstable countries from aquiring nukes he would have my vote hands down.”
Countries have sovereign jurisdiction over themselves. It is not OK for one country to tell another what weapons they may or may not produce. If they attack us, that’s one thing. But if they don’t, then it’s none of our business.
If you want to help Israel, then trade with them. If you want to set people free in tyrannical countries, then trade with them so that they will have to begin to give the people some freedoms to create capital so that they can compete with a free market Capitalist United States.
Report Post »LibertyFirst
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:19amCould the US be the 4th Reich? If so, it makes perfect sense that she would want to control Israel,i.e., tie her hands behind her back while her enemies create havoc against her. Remember Lebanon firing scud missiles every day and night (in the latter ‘80s or early ’90s?) What did we tell Israel? “Don’t retaliate! Wait! Don’t do anything!” And don’t do anything about the Palestinian (Philistine) suicide bombers! Had it not been for the U.S. controlling Israel, there might have been fewer Arab countries for us to be fighting now.
The Bible says that in the last days, Israel will be surrounded by the whole world. I assume that means the U.S. unless she is not here to be a part of that group. Something to ponder.
Report Post »Libertarian
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:08amYa, but my fellow Republicans have to remember this is good socialism. Redistribute the American citizens capital to foreign nations, but not our countrymen and women to feed their children with food stamps. Lets cherry pick which welfare we prefer, or lets be philosophically consistent and condemn ALL forms of welfare.
Report Post »Bible thumper
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 8:19amGreat comment. Now just get BECK and the idiot Pat to realize this, and stop there smug comments on Mr. Paul. If Glenn or the Idiot Pat had a full understanding of the constitution and original intent as they claim i would be able to listen to the show again. As of the 10-20-11 show i have thrown my hands up and given up on the GB show. They claim to understand the constitution, BUT they only get some of it. Granted they are better then msnbc or fox news but they have a LONG way to go…… Anyone interested go check out Mike Church between mike and the REAL QUALITY guests he has its a show BASED in and on the founders. Now if only GB was humble enough to go there and learn. Sadly I expect not
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 8:32amTech 11,
Report Post »That is the real question what do you do when a nation with an unstable leadership cast desire to make nuclear weapon. I tell what you don’t do is throw on the pollyanna glasses asnd say they have a right. If that’s the case I guess we should repeal all laws barring felons from hand gun ownership as well. Using that logic. Paul‘s suggestion that if you openly trade with countries they won’t attack you isn’t logical at all. When you’re dealing with a religious calafate idealogy of a one world religion. I say let them get their nukes and at the first sign of them threatening countries with their WMD’S we unleash hell on them or allow the country they threatened to level the country as make an example of them. With great power comes great responsibility thus great power should not be in the hands of the irresponsible.
A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:45pm@smithclar3nc3,
“I tell what you don’t do is throw on the pollyanna glasses asnd say they have a right. If that’s the case I guess we should repeal all laws barring felons from hand gun ownership as well.”
The alternative to allowing every country to have a right to make whatever they want, including nukes, has far worse consequences. You would have to let some other country tell you what to do. Our Founders listed “pretended legislation” as one of tyrannies of the King of Great Britain, from which country they broke allegiance to be free.
And regarding hand gun ownership, the alternative to not interfering with people’s inalienable right to protect themselves from corrupt government (which is why the 2nd Amendment was written; not for protection from rogue citizens) is also far worse. You don’t want the greatest possible source of violence, which is the government, to be able to tell you what weapons you may or may not have.
And if everyone has guns, this is a restraint on the misuse of them, because you can only kill so many people when others are armed. And in a society of armed citizens, yes people would naturally acquire the training that comes with a desire to both hit your target and also to avoid breaking the law.
You would also behave differently, in relation to your weapon. Certain motions would be indicative of ill-intent, and people would tend to avoid making them.
Report Post »hud
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:55pmPaul knows that we are 80 trillion in debt, not 14 trillion.
Report Post »Jethrodood
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 7:12amGod has a plan for Israel. All things are predestined. As a country we are broke! Let us stop overlooking that fact while pretending were not.
Report Post »ares338
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:37pmI agree with Ron Paul on this. We need to draw back to this country and make it safe once again. The Founding Fathers were against having favorite countries and it was wise counsel!
Report Post »Principlex
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:47amIf people in this country want to support Israel then they ought to be able to. I agree the state should not support any other state – any more than the state should have welfare. We have a tremendous breakdown in community because we don’t have to value it. Government takes our money and then uses it for whatever it wants – and we see now that that is against the US and its Constitution.
I can‘t see that it is anything but immoral to take people’s money and give to some 2-bit African dictator.
Report Post »Brizz
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:43amRon Paul has more respect for the constitution than any other canidate. It’s a shame the media makes him look like a nutjob.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:10pmWhen Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck hijacked the Tea Party (Palin for the GOP and Beck for misguided personal reasons) the Tea Party was automatically labeled racist and war-mongering because of their evangelical belief re: gay marriage, Israel, etc. The Tea Party WAS NOT a Christian mob-rule movement!
It’s a sad, sad thing that so many of you good people don’t realize that Fox News and the GOP has guided you exactly where they want you — asking for the bankers control and the endless military machine. God have mercy on you, because I know you want to be “good in God’s eyes” and that‘s the reason you can’t see the error of your ways.
THE GOP hijacked the Tea Party for their banking/military machine!
Report Post »“Occupy Wall Street”people warned not to let their efforts get hijacked (like the GOP hijacked the Tea Party)
Napolitano suggests common goals.
End the Fed
End the wars
End the income tax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF30eMuWFHI
DrFrost
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:58amBurying your head in the sand at this point would be akin to ignoring the drug lords moving in on both sides. If we move to an isolationist stance now, when we do get around to pulling our heads out of the sand we may find a global community much darker and more dangerous than the one we abandoned. That being said, I don‘t think staying involved means using our Military to solve the world’s problems. Iraq was probably a mistake. Libya was definitely a mistake and sending troops into Africa is insane. Iran, on the other hand, is doing their best to pick a fight and I think a powerful short term response is called for.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:35pmI would cut all aid too, even Israel.
Foreign aid is the same thing as welfare. It is dependence upon another group. Israel is not weak and does not need to be weakened by becoming dependent upon the USA foreign aid.
So you decide, do you support making Israel stronger by allowing them to be independent or do you support making Israel weaker by making them dependent upon our foreign aid?
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:42pmObserve good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it – It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt that, in the course of time and things, the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages which might be lost by a steady adherence to it ? Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue ? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices?
Report Post »In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:44pmThe nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.
Report Post »So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:46pm. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.
Report Post »As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:51pmAgainst the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.
George Washington
Stop making Israel a welfare baby of the USA. Allow them to be strong! Listen to the Founders and George Washington!
Report Post »chicago76
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:19pmGeorge Washington was a truly great and wise man. It is not the Revolutionary War that made him great. It is what he did not do after the revolutionary war ended in victory that made him great.
Report Post »krjones
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:22pmBest post ever on the blaze
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:23amNice post Okie.
I recommend that people take a look at Paul’s Plan on his site. Whether you disagree or agree with the guy on some things, one thing is for certain, his Plan makes the most sense concerning huge spending cuts, ending welfare programs, not raising taxes, not creating new taxes, ending certain federal agencies and departments (Education, EPA, Energy, etc), slashing funds for other bureaucracies (FDA, etc), limiting the size of the federal workfoce, giving some things back to the States to take care of, and many other TEA Party advocated positions. One should look at his stance of cutting foreign subsidies wihtin context. He’s trying to save our economy and keep the US from going bankrupt. You can’t deny the effectiveness of the plan to help in those goals. Rush also said that Paul is the only candidate that has proposed such a plan, which we Conservatives have been demanding for years now. Definately something interesting to look at, no matter your candidate of choice.
Report Post »Libertarian B 4 Libertarians Were Cool
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:50amSalient post Okie…Nice job!
Report Post »Vindex.Dogood
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 4:53pmBravo Okie! Good post. The founders had it right and right is timeless.
Report Post »LibertyFirst
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:32amExcuse me, but am I on the right forum? There seems to be an awful
lot of support for Ron Paul on here. ;)
Carry on!
Report Post »Cymry
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:35pmThe marxists are using ron paultardians as useful idiots. Straw men/ad hominem/bold face denial are the weapons of choice of progressives as they have no integrity.
Report Post »barry soetoro has gotten away with a fake social security number and birth certificate…….at this point, little barry probably thinks he can get away with anything without consequence and it is usually at that point that such criminals completely screw up and are arrested.
C.Gallicchio
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:46pmLibertarianism is 180 degrees from Marxism. Liberty= Ron Paul/Collectivism =Dems&Rinos. Liberty,Trade,Peace and Prosperity Ron Paul 2012
Report Post »Fella
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:46pm“Straw men/ad hominem/bold face denial”
You just used all 3 of these in your post. Just saying…
Report Post »Caunotaucarius
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:50pmThat is not true. We can not save Israel or even begin to really help them if they are attacked because Marxists have invaded your party as well and it’s called Neo-conservativism, founded by Irving Kristol a Marxist. This is where the term compassionate conservative comes from that Bush used. The Marxists know that they can not succeed when the constitution still holds sway in this country, so they seek to intervene in other countries just as they intervene in our economy, they know that both of these things are necessary to bring down this country. Try doing some reading on the subject. Israel is more than capable of handling its own problems. Ron thinks that they are free to make whatever peace deals or tactical military actions they need to to protect themselves where as our leaders keep telling them whether or not we approve (which comes with the revoking foreign aid), we are not the one’s being used by Marxists you are. Why do you think all socialist countries with the exception of Sweden have been militaristic. Military power = growth of the State, more wars = times of war and the necessity to take the American people’s rights, hence Patriot Act which violates American citizen’s basic fundamental constitutional rights. And guess what all your candidates but Ron have voted for the Patriot Act. Don’t be a fool, talk about useful idiots, all the evidence is there that I am right.
Report Post »unholy1
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:25pmCMRY – You do realize that foreign intervention is Wilsonian/progressive? Of course you do.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:57pmI’m an American Conservative. I can think for myself. Integrity and respect is still valued in America. My effort is to elect a Constitutionalist Conservative into Office for the President of the Unites States. I hold no other agenda or association with any left wing groups. There‘s no need for anyone to lose civility or respect for another’s right to free speech and assembly. Let’s not forget that. We’re all Americans here. No need for Marxist tactics in trying to fight among ourselves when our goals for this Nation are pretty common. Let’s not lose focus. Debate on facts, not emotions.
Report Post »Cymry
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:28amyou don‘t know what you can’t understand. if libertarians are useful idiots, then they probably don’t know it. In every good lie there is a kernal of truth and even satan quotes scripture. there are some “sexy” (as glenn would characterize it) proposals in libertarianism but the package deal is rotten. mormanism accepts Jesus but it’s the other stuff that pushes it into heresy. remember kids, in the end times even the elect will be deceived.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:51amA natural born citizen is a person born in America with two American parents. That solves the issue with the ineligibility of Barry. I believe Ron Paul is an old Conservative, not Libertarian, which tends to be more pacifist and amoral when it comes to most aspects of Government. Read this article http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/25/was-bill-buckley-a-foreign-policy-leftist/ which explains Paul’s Conservative foreign policy.
Report Post »faithkills
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:55am“in the end times even the elect will be deceived.”
And you, in supporting collectivism ARE the elect. And so you are deceived.
Individualism rejects the elect.
When you accept that you have no moral authority to force people to fund foreign aid they oppose, JUST AS it is immoral to force people to fund abortions they oppose, OR ANYTHING ELSE then you will no longer be the elect, nor abet the elect.
When you reject that I welcome you.
Until then .. CRAM IT PROGRESSIVE
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:42am@CYMRY
Idiots? I see. Those with whom you disagree are idiots. Nice tactics there Saul.
Now I kindly request that you ask yourself if the person whose post you’re reading right now is an idiot and incapable of effortlessly dancing around you with logic, reason and Aristotelian rhetoric. Think hard before lashing out with more ad hominem.
That said, I despise having to write things like that, however it really bothers me when people ostensibly on “my side” start lashing out at libertarianism. Libertarian intellectuals and think tanks are where most of the GOP takes its ideas from, it‘s hardly becoming to gnash your teeth at the source of your party’s intellectual ferment, CYMRY.
Or put another way, in the 21st century you have the Socialists as the prime source of the Democratic philosophy, and you have Libertarianism as the prime source of GOP philosophy. While Dems may not hold fully with Socialism, and while GOP folks may not hold fully with Libertarianism, there’s no denying the source of their intellectual arguments.
In short…get a grip.
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:59pmi keep looking for these marxists you all keep talking about. is this some kind of a time warp site that takes place in like 1953?
Report Post »kspatriot
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:35pmForeign aid is simply “foreign welfare”. Just as welfare is meant to make the recipients dependant on the government, foreign aid is used to make other countries dependant on the United States. IT’S ALL ABOUT CONTROL! Ron Paul is right. Zero out ALL foreign aid and then let’s reform the welfare system at home.
Report Post »SERUM
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:35pmTo turn your back on an ally is just wrong…says a lot about Mr. Paul’s character.
Report Post »C.Gallicchio
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:38pmGet your facts straight , he would help if they were attacked and they asked us.
Report Post »Blazer123
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:42pmHe’s not saying to abandon Israel. Just stop giving them free money.
Report Post »Secessionista
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:43pmYes, Saudi Arabia and Egypt are great allies, we should not turn our back on them either. So is Sudan and Ethiopia. And South Korea. And China. And Taiwan. We must not turn our backs on these allies. Oh, and the other 154 countries that are also our allies.
Dummy. You think in black and white, linearly. You cannot see truth, you only see hyperbole.
You sound like the drunk Uncle who comes for money every week and claims I don‘t love you because I won’t spot you another Benjamin for another hit of mad dog 20-20.
Report Post »SERUM
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:00pm@ secssionista
Report Post »Good one…good way to win people over. Apparently you don’t know what an ally is by you just attacking everyone that has a different opinion. Man…you’ve got some issues, looks like it involves uncles and beer….
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:21pm@Serum
You actually hurt Israel with aid just as you hurt those who recieve welfare. Foreign aid is welfare. If Israel is our friend and we are theirs then no money needs to be exchaged in order to be friends. Encouraging Israel to become dependent on us is the same as Obama encouraging our Citizens to be dependent upon our Government. Do you support more welfare for Citizens here? Have a great night.
Report Post »hochnessmonster
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:30pmYou wouldn’t be turning your back.
“My friends, you don’t need to do nation building in Israel. We’re already built. You don’t need to export democracy to Israel. We’ve already got it. You don’t need to send American troops to defend Israel. We defend ourselves.”
~ Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu,
Report Post »May 2011 before the U.S. Congress
TeaParty_RonPaul_R3VOLUTION
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:31pmturning our back on our allies? That is like saying we hate poor people because we are against welfare because it worsens the economy and destroys capitalism.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:11amLike other’s have repeated here before. He is not stoping all help and assistance to Israel. He is stopping all foreign aid, period. We’re going bankrupt and are in huge debt. And if our alliance is defined by the amount of money we give them what does that say about our character and theirs? We’re beyond this childish nonsense. Israel is our friend. Of course we have their backs, as Paul has said before.
Report Post »stopspendingourmoney
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:38amIt’s impossible for us to truly aide other countries until we fix ourselves.
Report Post »jose wasabi
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:34pmExplain how Israel is our greatest ally? I think Ron Paul is right to cut aid to all foreign nations. If Israel needed help, of course Ron Paul would help them. But why do we need to subsidize them?
Report Post »Blazer123
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:34pmWe can still be an ally without giving them free stuff…
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:33pmGood for Ron! I support the opinion that we should stop sending bribe money overseas. If Israel wants to be our friend and sign a treaty that allows us to work together and sell or exchange weapons and goods, then so be it. But we should not have to pay to be anyone’s ally. Last I checked, if you were small and wanted a big guy to hang around for protection you had to pay him, not the other way around.
Report Post »Blazer123
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:40pmExactly! We have been giving them money and military equipment which they could be paying for. I have no problem with letting them have state of the art technology, just let them pay for it.
We also give quite a bit more aid to Arab nations afaik, so cutting all aid could be seen as a net gain for Israel.
Report Post »Steverino
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:43pmSGTB-
Report Post »I disagree with Paul’s foreign policy in general, but I must give you credit for a VERY concise point.
It’s all about perspective. Twisted the ol’ lens a couple of degrees…
Steve
colt1860
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:37amI must agree with SteveRINO, great perspective. Cuttin financial aid does not mean we stop being freinds with them. Heck, my parents stopped financially aiding me once I grew up and was on my own. They still love me and would assist me if I am need of help. Common sense should rule the day here.
Report Post »kcinco
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:32pmHonestly, I believe Israel would be fine financially without U.S. support. It is a strong nation, with plenty of contingency plans that we don’t know of, I’m sure. I don’t believe we should withdraw our allied military and moral support, however.
Report Post »Drakkhanlord
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:31pmCut all funds …National Guard on the Border with all needed to get the job done…
Btw , Anyone name one thing Israel has done for the USA…? bailed us out ? gave us money , weapons , jobs , what ? what have they done that deserves billions a year …?
What has any of the Countries done that deserve Billions a year ..?
Report Post »FaithUsa
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:32amI would hope you don’t choose your friends, or they don’t choose you based on what they give you, or do for you. I would hope that shared values are an essential ingredient. That being said, you have hit the problem with foreign aid right on the head. It comes with strings attached and if the federal government is handing out taxpayer money, there should be strings attached. That doesn‘t make the strings right and it is those strings that expose our reputation and intent to unsavory interpretation by both those that we aid and those that we don’t.
Report Post »Financial assistance as an exception after World War II wasn’t a bad deal for the American taxpayer. It has turned into a common habit and as such results in a heavy hand of corruption and authority that is inappropriate to our values.
We don‘t have to manufacture an anger or engage in a value test of who is worthy or who we don’t like. It simply is not in anyone‘s best interest that we use money we don’t have to leverage ourselves globally. That is not the Constitutional function of our government.
Norm D. Plume
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:21pmWell, they nearly helped us to put the U.S.S. Liberty on the bottom of the ocean. With friends like that, who NEEDS enemies?
Report Post »C.Gallicchio
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:31pmTo give foreign aid makes a Sovereign Nation beholden to us, and then they will expect us to help them all the time , seems to me just like welfare. Israel can stand on their own,they have nukes and the best Military in the Mid-East. And to say that Ron Paul would just let them be over-run by enemies is just wrong. Paul would go to Israels aid if they were invaded and asked us for help, should he be President at the time.If you want to return to the Constitution then Ron Paul is the answer. Also he has the only plan that can do something about this-http://www.usdebtclock.org/#. To think that any of the other candidates would try ,well I have not heard anything from them . This is the most pressing thing that threatens our Nation.Liberty,Trade,Peace and Prosperity. Ron Paul 2012
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 8:37amThe chinese have a saying ‘IF YOU SAVE A MAN’S LIFE YOUR ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE” I guess that could apply on large scale as well. And if you look at our entiltlement systems you can see what the long term results are for saving someone. The wisdom of that phrase is beyond enlightened.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:28pmThen Ron Paul is obviously an atheist who hates Jews…right?
Report Post »C.Gallicchio
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:34pmTongue in cheek I hope.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:36pmYou nailed it! If the President of the US doesn’t desire to borrow money from China to give to Israel then they are obviously an anti-Semite hater of America..
Seriously how do you fools justify this? Are you really that damn stupid? What part of broke do you not understand? Certainly nothing Conservative this idea of foreign aid eventhough Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Levine, Oreilly, Wilcow, etc all believe we have extra cash for Israel.. lol Wonder why? Because the ones signing their checks are dual citizens? lol.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:46pmJust using some Glenn Beck-type reasoning… ;>)
Report Post »Secessionista
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:46pmHe’s racist too, because he won’t take money from white people and give it to black people. LOL!
He also hates religion and christianity, because he is against the government giving money to churches.
Report Post »Duck and cover
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:28pmHey beck, instead of cutting him down, convert him….
Report Post »Secessionista
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:30pmBeck should study the constitution a little more and he would find that sending money to foreign states while our own borders are porous is a travesty against the founding fathers’ intentions. We get no security from this ignorant behavior.
Report Post »Duck and cover
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:03pmagreed, however i would want someone to help me out when the ******* come knocking at my door
Report Post »Jason K
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:27pmRon Paul is the ONLY possible candidate to disrupt the status quo. Think long and hard about what you’re doing before you support one of the established picks. They will only bring us more of what we already have.
Report Post »chicago76
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:36pmAmen brother. None of them will change anything. Even Cain won’t know how to cut the budget. Paul is the only one who really has a plan to preserve our currency and stop the destruction of our country. You cannot cut the budget without cutting military spending and foreign entanglements.
Report Post »bpitas
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:03pmSpot on Jason – Ron Paul is the only electable candidate up there. When you really listen to what they said during the debate, only Ron Paul talked about cutting anything. How is that even possible?!?
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:41amNice job on pointing out that no one can deny that Paul is the only candidate up there that has offered real spending cuts and elimination of certain programs and departments. The rest are worried about what he said or didn’t say about this or that. We can look at MSNBC and Joe Biden for that childish behaviour.
Report Post »Secessionista
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:27pmMoney does not buy happiness. Ron Paul is right. Stop the foreign bribe money now. Americans cannot afford it. Israel is our friend, and they will still be our friend when we stop wasting money on them. We give them money and they turn around and buy our fighter jets with it. That’s stupid. Just build the jets and bomb Iran ourselves if that is what we insist on doing. Israel will not cease to exist without our money. For those of you who truly believe the Bible, you know that is true.
How many of your friends say that if you don’t give them money, that you don’t love them? Are they true friends, or are they just black mailers?
Report Post »Drakkhanlord
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:26pmRon Paul states the obvious again…cut all aid , Let them stand on their own .
We can still have allies without paying for them…
Report Post »chicago76
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:38pmProbably will be better allies. What kind of friends do you buy with money?
Report Post »Libertarian Atheist
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:23pmWe should cut foreign aid to israel, our govts. job is to protect us not other nations. The thing they also leave out is if we cut all our foreign aid that would include to the palestinians who get money from us directly and also through the UN which is funded mostly by us
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:45pmWhy does Israel needs financial assistance anyway? I thought they had one of the best economies in the world and are the leaders in technological manufacturing?
Ron Paul is the only anti-establishment candidate that can save our country from the Global elite and their various destructive entities such as the federal reserve, and all the agencies they have implemented, to ensure that you and your children and grandchildren are collateral for the bailout of the U.S. Bankruptcy of 1933.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlCs7u1ihws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UqcY8lGUUE
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:23pm1.6 trillion for all these wars, money VERY poorly spent when a single drone can accomplish what 150,000 troops took 10 years to not accomplish, but that makes too much sense for GLOBALISTS !
Report Post »Washington, Maddison , Admas, all the founders warned about “ wars of empire ” or “ never ending wars ”, answer this question to yourselves. What kind of wars have we fought since 1945?
Israel, should receive military aid, Ron Paul would defend an ally if attacked.
But why, WHY should we borrow from an enemy ( CHINA) to lend to enemies and call that GOOD BUSINESS.
the hawk
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:22pmI’m with him on this one ! NO FORIGN AID UNTILL ALL NATIONAL DEPT IS PAID !
Report Post »we owe this to OUR children !…………………………………………
Jeff65
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 6:25pmThanks for you honesty Hawk in supporting Ron on this even though you are a Cain supporter.
On your disagreement with Ron on his position with Iran – do you support going to war with Iran? If not then what is it that you disagree with Ron Paul on?
Report Post »netmail
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:22pmConversations amongst the GOP candidates are almost as mind numbing as the crap the left puts out every hour. We can‘t put a fence up around the United States and make believe the rest of the world doesn’t exist. How about just ONE smart conversation to start things off…just one. This subject here is not it.
Report Post »chicago76
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:12pmThis subject is everything. If spending is not cut drastically like Ron wants to do, soon we will not be able to protect ourselves or Israel or anyone else.
Report Post »netmail
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:43amChicago76….granted, fiscal responsibility is THE issue of our age, but blanket, simplistic statements of ‘do this’ and ‘end that’ like it’s no big deal defies reality. Anything that appears to be unrealistic will automatically stiffle conversations. Now then, if Ron Paul would lay out examples of wasted foreign aid and fraud and how HE would have handled the same situations differently, THEN we can have a conversation about that…..a conversation he could probably win. Afterall, wasting money is killing our country as much as the lack of morals, principals and values are.
Report Post »Swifty_s
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:01pmnetmail: “if Ron Paul would lay out examples of wasted foreign aid and fraud and how HE would have handled the same situations differently, THEN we can have a conversation about that…..a conversation he could probably win.”
If you are looking for examples, Ron Paul has left a vast archive of this in his Congressional record. An unofficial – searchable – archive of his writings can be found here:
Given the subject of your comment, I have linked directly to the category Foreign Policy / Aid
http://www.ronpaularchive.com/category/print-articles-writings-congressional-statements-etc/foreignpolicy/
He has also written a book: A Foreign Policy of Freedom ‘Peace, Commerce, and Honest Friendship’ that can be downloaded (pdf / ebook) free here:
http://mises.org/resources/6062/A-Foreign-Policy-of-Freedom
Within these resources are many examples of what you seek, and how HE would have handled the same situations differently.
Hope it helps.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:20pmSo Dr. Paul is the only real consistent Conservative in the race?
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:40amYes.
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:50pmNo doubt about it.
Report Post »DrWho
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:19pmYes.
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 8:26amAbsolutely true.
By the way the posts on this story alone should prove to any objective reader that Ron Pauls supporters in general, are very intelligent, rational, and civil. You all make me proud to be associated with you.
Report Post »In contrast, the few Paul critics who have dared to put forth their ad hominem, straw man, slanderous comments here have been quickly and effectively dispatched.
Great job fellow freedom lovers! Keep spreading the message.
Benetto
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:20pmI DO NOT AGREE WITH HIM!!! Won’t be voting for him!!!
Report Post »Secessionista
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:28pmSuggest you don’t vote at all if a one-liner is the best you can muster.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:57pmOkay..this is the deal….there were secular Muslims (who were not Quaran abiding idiots) that Obama and Hilary helped the Sharia Law pushing Muslim Brotherhood take down with our own troops. They destroyed all strongholds standing between the Muslims and Israel. Israel has some 300+ nuclear weapons. We helped Israel get a small part of her country back. Islam wants it…they intend to take it. If they are successful.. then that means 300+ nukes in the hands of a Caliphate Islam. They want to establish a Caliphate over the entire world and force Sharia Law (ROSE ELLENS DREAM) on everyone. Those not accepting will be destroyed. It is prophesied that all nations will go agaisnt Israel..there will be confusion and Islam and the Socialist/Communist who are co-joined will turn on each other…for each uses the other but neither will submit when it comes down to it. Two thirds of Israel will be destroyed. I don’t know what happens to us. The Socialists/Communists and Islam are in the Whitehouse now. I don’t know if we who are Spirtual Israel will be spared…but it’s all lining up. Islam plans to kill all of us who will not submit to her. Israel does not have an enemy in office…we do.
Report Post »arewefreenow
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:07amASHESTOASHES
“It is prophesied that all nations will go agaisnt Israel..there will be confusion and Islam and the Socialist/Communist who are co-joined will turn on each other…for each uses the other but neither will submit when it comes down to it. Two thirds of Israel will be destroyed. I don’t know what happens to us.”
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Since the prophecy says that 2/3 of Israel will be destroyed and if one totally believes every word of it, then Israel will be toast whether we support Israel, or not. So your argument, and fear, over not supporting Israel is illogical.
I would like to add that an economically strong United States of America would certainly be in the best interests of Israel IF she were not capable of defending herself, which she certainly is. However, we will not be able to do that if this country is on its knees economically … a fate that we will suffer if we do not start tending to our own, severe, troubles right here at home.
Ron Paul is correct. Stop all foreign aid, bring the troops home, and cut those 5 Cabinet departments, too. He has my vote.
Report Post »chewfatlip
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:38amI also won’t vote for crazy Uncle Ron. He sure has lots of supporters, but I can’t imagine him as President.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:45amAREWEFEENOW I’m not arguing. I was just thinking out loud so to speak. I have been thinking and people have been confirming that what is going to happen to Israel is going to happen to Israel…if we are to believe prophesy.Something that had concerned me was our possible demise should the muslims lay hold of their nukes, say if it wasn’t yet the prophetical time However..I believe that this is going to be the showdown. After all… this is the first time in US history that we have a muslim leader. Europe has never had one that I know of. This is one of those… unreal kind of things. Like I said.. I still don’t know what will happen to us…but I am ready for a big change because I am sick of the “politics as usual” putting it to the American people. I do fear for the people who become elderly with having no social security or medicare…but if we don’t have a country…guess that wouldn’t matter either. We all need to hang together no matter who gets the GOP nomination. I would definitely vote Ron Paul. But he needs that nomination.
Report Post »logjam
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:02pmTo Chicago 76, re comments on us never giving aid to Britain: you need a history course, my friend. We gave them billions during their dark days of WW2, and at the end, when they couldn’t repay it, we forgave the debt. Same with Russia, by the way, who never said, “Thanks”. I don‘t know that we’ve never given aid to Australia, but when threatened by Japanese invasion early on in WW2, we drove the Japanese navy back at the battle of Coral Sea, then invaded Guadalcanal to keep them back.
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:20pmIsrael is the one country on planet that we can readily rely on for assistance if they could ever help us. No other country would do so, and in most cases were we to ask the other nations would take bets on how deep they could drive a knife into our back.
For us to turn our backs on Israel is insane and an insult to our one true ally.
For this alone, I cannot vote for Ron Paul. You NEVER screw a buddy, period.
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:30pmYou arent screwing a buddy. Isreal is a rich country that doesnt need our help. If we quit giving our friend’s enemies ( the countries surrounding Isreal) they wouldnt need it. Hell they dont need it now, they would wipe the floor with all of them now. Currently us giving them money handcuffs them.
Report Post »Secessionista
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:32pmHow many troops did they send with us to Afghanistan? … Iraq? Uh, how about Vietnam? None? Really? That’s interesting!
Report Post »chicago76
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:59pmNot true. Britain and Australia have been our oldest and truest allies. We have never given either of them any money. It would be an insult to them if we did. They have stood by us through all the wars of this century. They have fought for freedom alongside us and asked for nothing in return. That is true friendship. Glenn really thinks too apocalyptic about Israel to be clear minded and sensible. If Israel really is a friend we will support them in any battle, but we should not have to pay them for friendship.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:04amRon Paul has never said he will not help Israel. Where is this nonsense coming from? He said he would cut all financial foreign aid, period. No more money to the enemies of Israel or anyone else. Israel is not a child, they have one of the stongest Militaries in the whole region. Paul has stated that if Israel is in need of our help and they ask for it, that he would not decline. He has never turned his back on them. If not giving money to all nations equally means screwing a buddy, then you my fellow American, don’t know what freindship is. We have not given Money to many of our Allies and they nor we have ever turned our backs on each other. The love of money is the root of all evil. I say we get our priorities straight before we wake up dead broke for our irresponsible spending behaviour. Has anyone asked how Israel feels about this? Or has everyone just been assuming?
Here one respond from them:
“My friends, you don’t need to do nation building in Israel. We’re already built. You don’t need to export democracy to Israel. We’ve already got it. You don’t need to send American troops to defend Israel. We defend ourselves.”
Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, May 2011 before the U.S. Congress
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:46amPaul wants to stop the constant spigot of money to all other nations. He has stated that if Israel actually needs our help in time of crisis, we’d assist them. They are a first rate economic power, they do not need our “aid” at all, and it’s foolish to continue funneling my and your hard earned money to them or anybody.
Paul does not abandon Israel, as you think. Read his words outside of last night’s debate.
It’s striking to me that people will say “Wow, Paul does one thing I disagree with, I won’t support him. On the other hand, Candidate X stands against 80% of what I believe, but because he does one thing I like, I’ll support him”. And we wonder how we’ve gotten to where we are today.
Report Post »Hank Xavier
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:45pmFirst thing… this report is remarkably journalistic. So a lot of PRAISE for THAT! Although I would not use words like “blasted” in a news report. It’s too editorial.
Second, there are many comments here that effectively argue the case that yet AGAIN Ron Paul is RIGHT, so I won’t bother. I will only add one thing. A reminder to conservatives to remember the roots of the ideology which is when government subsidizes a thing, you always end up with the WORST elements rising to the top. You know this is true in any market, including the global market of ideas and gunpowder which is geopolitics. A guy commented that you never screw a buddy but sooner or later your buddy has to get off YOUR couch and get a job.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:20pmThe FIRST reason I could not vote for Obama was that I knew he would not support Israel. The reason I cannot support Ron Paul as the GOP candidate is his stance on Israel.
Report Post »Libertarian Atheist
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:27pmsounds like you care more about israel then you do the US
Report Post »Libertarian Atheist
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:27pmsounds like you care more about israel the you do the US
Report Post »Secessionista
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:36pmSounds to me like you didn’t win the brain lottery. Obama did not play his Israel card until long after he was elected. And to think you considered voting for a socialist, but the reason you couldn’t, was his stance on a middle eastern country, betrays your ignorance of the constitution.
You should have never considered voting for a socialist in the first place. But then again, maybe you are a “soft socialist”, aka a “republican”?
Secessionista
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:39pmAnd maybe you should consider a candidate that supports the US of freakin’ A, not some third world fiefdom. You priorities sound so messed up it’s hard to know where to start.
But mostly, I just know you are lying, your statement has not a shred of truth in it.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:17amThe best candidate is one who knows what’s best for the American people, Period, not foreign nations. America above all other nations and America first. I don’t apologize for being a strict constitutionalist and loyal patriot to my Country and my people. I love Israel and we as a Nation will always help them out. BUT RIGHT NOW, at this moment, we’re going broke and are tight on money. We can’t just print money out of thin air (atleast not forever).
On a sidenote. This is for anyone. If your allegiance is to another nation, then move there.
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