Ron Paul‘s Lesson on the Benefits of Freedom Stuns ’Morning Joe’ Panel
- Posted on June 20, 2012 at 6:30pm by
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During an early morning interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Ron Paul tried to educate the Mika Brzezinski-led panel on American freedom vs dependence on government. “Morning Joe” regular panel member Mike Barnicle chimed in, asking Mr. Paul a curious question:
“Do you feel, in speaking to this next generation that you just spoke of, any obligation to talk to them, perhaps instruct them about the fact that there has been a social contract among Americans from one generation to another to help those that need help the most?”
The Congressman and perennial Presidential candidate delivered a clear and concise reply that started with his shooting down Barnicle’s alleged “fact” about a social contract. (There is no such thing in our Constitution.)
And then, the interview took on a more confrontational tone as another MSNBC regular, Sam Stein of the Huffington Post asked Ron Paul if and why he takes Social Security checks. Mr. Paul answered by educating Stein that there is a difference between something like Food Stamps and Social Security.
Watch the exchange, including Brzezinski’s abrupt ending of the segment:
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MPFree9999
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:54pmKid Charlemagne is right. Maybe you can help me find what Ben Franklin said exactly; but it goes like this– When the public masses can vote themselves money from the treasury; then the Republic is lost. With 47% of Americans on food stamps or Social Security; We are approaching what Ben Franklin was warning us about!!
Why do you think this “executive order” to not deport is about? Why does the Homeland Security order 2,000,000 rds of hollow point ( not typically used for target practice) for the National Army Obama proposed in 2008? Follow Beck my friend; God is showing him the path. If you don’t have {Cowards by Glenn Beck} yet- GET IT! and pass it on to your doubting friends. I know I get it all the time- Beck is a true capitalist; but he does present a true message that anyone can ignore at their own peril. I truly believe that he has pledged his fortune to this cause.
We are witnessing the repeat of history. Only 4 of 10 colonial americans supported the revolution.
WE WON BY GOD’S GRACE!!
Rush is on the same chapter, but Beck gives you the pages too.
Report Post »beckyspatflaveredstew
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:14pm“The children of this world are wiser than the children of light”
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:38pmAnd… I truely hate to say it… The Help of French Army & Navy!
Report Post »Wartface
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 9:20pmThis is one of the best quotes from Benjamin Franklin…
Quotes from the Founding Fathers
“Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin
“… God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty…. And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:13amThe Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.” – Patrick Henry
“Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.” – Thomas Jefferson
“Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” George Washington
“If we wish to be free, if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending, if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained _ we must fight!” – Patrick Henry
“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death” – Patrick Henry
“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves … and include all men capable of bearing arms.” – Richard Henry Lee
Report Post »chucksue351
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 5:34amthe rain from heaven falls on the just and the unjust, so how many unjust people’s have won a war, you can‘t just say that this country was because of God’s grace, it was just the rain of a just Father in heaven.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 6:54amI heard it was fast approaching 50% that get all their taxes back or more. Did you know if you have a part time job and pay ANY taxes and have children that you can get back THOUSANDS more than you paid in? You have the child credit, earned income credit, etc. They should give you credits up to the amount you put in, and that’s it. I‘m not against if you’re poverty level but you had a job, that you get the taxes back at the end of the year. But if you paid $2,000 in taxes, but get back $8,000 at the end of the year because you don’t know what birth control is? You should only get back your $2,000. If you’re poverty level or below you already get free health care (on my back), free food, and even free money. You really think that money at the end of the year pays their bills? It buys video games for the kids, nice shoes for momma, or weaves or nail jobs or whatever. Don’t stimulate the economy with my tax dollars.
Report Post »johnpaulkuchtajr
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 7:30amI am reminded of an address that little Tommy Jefferson made to his classmates one day at recess when some red-headed kid smarted off that he kinda’ liked King Charles: “From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.” Everybody stood there and thought about that for a moment and then they went in for Latin class.
Times being what they are, I’ve been eating a lot of liver.
None of us live happily ever after in this fairy tale.
Report Post »happ77
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:28am“Find out just what people will submit to and you
Report Post »have found out the exact amount of injustice and
wrong which will be imposed upon them….The
limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance
of those whom they oppress.” Fredrick Douglas
OhioRifleman
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:30am@ John Paul
Your last line is key.
I have long maintained that I would live to see the second American revolution. I have also long maintained that I would not survive said second American Revolution. Call it pessimism, realism, cynicism, what have you, but that is my expectation. It is a creepy feeling, but one that I have grown used to over the years.
God help us all, for we will need it.
Report Post »drhunt
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:53am“When the People find they can vote themselves money, it will herald the end of the Republic”-Ben Franklin
“The tick is now as big as the dog it feeds on”-drhunt
Report Post »kay2861
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:23amThe quote is actually from Alexis de Tocqueville’s “Democracy in America”: “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”
Report Post »BeerSnob
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:31amIt’s over people. We are unable (and unwilling) to stand up and do ANYTHING about this mess we are in. You all just post on this forum about how “It’s time to stand up”… but you all just continue sitting at your keyboards. Glenn is just telling you what you want to hear, and making lots of money doing it. His solution – VOTE. Really?!?!?! Is that going to work? There aren’t enough of us left who can fix it at the ballot box.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:51am1871 – U.S. becomes a Corp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOixE2ZFYtE
1913 – Corp. U.S. is broke and turns to the Global Elite ( Federal Reserve PRIVATE BANK ) for a loan.
Income tax begins. FBI and IRS are Est.
1933 – Corp defaults, Declares Bankruptcy and surrenders ALL collateral which includes Government Branches, land and PEOPLE
1936 – The creditors of the bankruptcy need a Bond for their livestock. Social Security begins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlCs7u1ihws
1937 – The International Banksters built Ft. Knox to hold all the gold they seized from America.
1944 – The lien on the bankrupt “United States of America” was transfered to the IMF and World Bank.
http://www.teamlaw.net/history.htm
1945 – The World bank and IMF create the United Nations, Which is the governing body of a One World Government.
1992 – Under Executive Order 12803, America is for SALE !!!! This was the SAME YEAR AGENDA 21 emerged.
http://www.rense.com/general86/nomis.htm
This explains why the Department of Justice is a PRIVATE COMPANY !!!
http://www.manta.com/c/mmcmldj/united-states-department-of-justice
This Country has rapidly deteriorated since 1992.
2012 – Panetta Admits that the President follows the orders of the UN, and NOT congress !!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSzZAOQnYFI
2012 – Americans Still believe they have representatives in Washington and that there is a difference between DemocRAT or RepubliCON Politicians.
Report Post »Knight Templar
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:04amCHUCKSUE351—Seriously?
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:09amJust keep in mind MSNBC is owned by GE.
They bring Good things to life.
They are obligated to serve the American people and report the truth. (excuse me while I rofl, interrupted by the occasional regurgitation)
The Global Elite have purchased all the media and school textbook publishers, to perpetuate their lies and indoctrination.
Social Security being a retirement package is a LIE !!!!
Social Security is a Debenture Bond for the creditors of the 1933 Bankruptcy to hold.
You were pledged as collateral to the Federal Reserve Private Bank for the 1913 loan.
In 1933, we declared Bankruptcy and the “gov’t” promissed the PRIVATE BANK that you would pay a percentage of your lifetime earnings, to pay off that debt.
90% of all the media in America is owned by 6 companies:
Report Post »http://www.infowars.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america/
2GurlsGramma
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:43amIf you don’t vote you have no right to complain.
Report Post »BeerSnob
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:03am… and if I do vote, I have every right to complain – especially when my vote carries no weight!
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:38amMaybe you can help me find what Ben Franklin said exactly; but it goes like this– When the public masses can vote themselves money from the treasury; then the Republic is lost.
Report Post »~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~.
Tocqueville made a simuler observation about Democracy. He wondered what would happen when the voters discovered they could vote themselves …Well more of everything
theblazerunner
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:38amnice qoutes and info , thanks all
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:20pmSen Paul knows what he is talking about and can school those lame stream media pukes all day long. Good Job Sen. Paul
Report Post »Mr. H.
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:42pmA democracy can survive only so long as the pubic does nor realize they can vote themselves largeness from the public treasury.
I believe this came from a Greek citizen over 2000 years ago.
It is the reason we have 3 separate but equal branches of government. Our current status exists because so many presidents have failed so miserably to provide adult leadership of Congress.
Government is never the solution. It is always the problem. That is why our Founding Fathers left us with a Constitution where government is supposed to have a small set of limited powers.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:09pmDemocray was never mentioned in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or Declaration of Independence.
The Founding Fathers Hated Democracy and thought it was the worst form of government there was.
They also realized it is a necessary evil and must have limits.
The limits are very simple to understand.
Democracy DOES NOT apply when it comes to a decision regarding my Constitutional Rights.
This 3 minute video explains this brilliantly
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RewUP-Fdhqk
West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 3:22pmTruthBeliever2, You must vote, but vote your conscience. Federal law says all votes must be counted, so regardless of state law, write Ron Pauls name in, if for nothing else to protest the criminal establishment RNC/GOP. Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXhY1j3ZAMs&feature=youtu.be
Report Post »Vote and have a say to everyone that you did the best you could to stop the tyranny which is now our government.
West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 4:17pmJSCIAI, Just so you know, it is Congressman Ron Paul. Rand Paul is the Senator.
Report Post »DareToBeWise
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 4:46pm@LukerW: Hahaha!
Report Post »justangry
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 5:38pm@Problemsolver, Did you also know that ALL 6 of those companies have membership in the CFR?
Report Post »moose8684
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 5:57pmYou have got to be kidding me, Beck may be reading from the right book, but he is on the wrong page. Do you not remember that a year ago he said that Ron Paul was a true patriot and the closest thing to our founders left, then for months he ridiculed Ron Paul because he did not support offensive wars around the globe. Beck is a shill, he can only go so far in speaking the truth before his handlers pull him back in. Anyone who can support Mitt Romney has compromised their values, and that is exactly what Beck has done.
Report Post »Unix
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 6:59pmOld Ron Paul schooled a few clueless liberals again today…I do like the man, but will vote for ANYONE but Oblamer, and you should too! Don’t go there libertarians…I said I like Ron, but will vote for the Republican winner, nuff said….let’s not throw daggers at each other, we are on the same side right? We hate the nanny state, correct. Just nob your heads up and down, thank you!
Report Post »Airbornedevildog
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 7:35pmWhen the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
Report Post »-Ben Franklin
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:54pm@Justangry
I did not know that. Thanks.
It’s another piece of the puzzle, that fits perfectly.
Report Post »Libertarian
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:42pmI am a Ron Paul supporter, county coordinator for his campaign and a WA state delegate for him. I am actually disappointed that he is on Social Security. If you hold a philosophy that you do not support involuntary social contracts, how can you justify taking from the very thing that you do not support.
I have no choice to pay into social security, unemployment but I sure as hell will not take any money out of these forced distributions. I also refuse to take a penny more than was taken from me on my income tax return. Would Mr. Paul also take a farm subsidy on property taxes or a senior exemption for property taxes?
If you have a philosophy, then live by it dammit. The basis of a philosophy is consistency.
Report Post »We are not all perfect, but Dr. Paul is inconsistent here.
arnobp
Posted on June 22, 2012 at 2:18am@libertarian
This is not inconsistent in the least. It’s HIS money. Is it inconsistent to take your tax deductions if you are trying to abolish the income tax? SS is compulsory just like the income tax, it is not inconsistent to get your own damn money back that you didn’t want taken to begin with.
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:50pmWhile I love some of what Ron Raul has to say he is not one of the two choices we have .I have tried to get used to the idea of Mitt Romney as our leader but he is going to have Henry Kissenger headline a event for him at trump towers july 12. I wrongly thought they obama / romney were fast vs slow destruction . Now back to reality, i fear that the only thing that can resolve this is to” Water the Tree .
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:05pmSadly I think that is the case because we’ve never been ruled by a Marxist regime like we are now.
Report Post »He isn‘t governing he doesn’t know how,he‘s RULING that’s the only way he knows.
He fooled the young gullible people,everything will be ‘free’,there‘s nothing ’free‘ in this life and there never will be anything ’free’.
ashestoashes
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 9:01pmObama was raised as a Communist and a Muslim…perfect for the Rothchild/Rockefeller un Federal Reserve..He takes orders well..you must know that he would have never been placed in office otherwise..Romney is no wild card..he is a liberal in Republican clothing and is a bankster boy also..He admits he is a progressive..That is what the Rothchilds need to continue the bringing in of the NWO in which Henry Kissinger and George H Bush spoke..Kissinger said that we would not like it but would be best for us..the NWO= Communism where all the wealth is transferred to the Rothchilds and government bodies..the rest to serve.. Kissinger was said to have had Ben Laden as a client and it has been noted that he stated that Military men are dumb stupid animals used for foreign policy.. Remember that 700 billion in TARP went to Sharia Compliant Banks whose boss it the Federal Reserve.and those banks fund organizations funding terrorism..meaning that the terrorists are used as mercenaries..to help with the persuasion of the masses..for that Zionist/Communist land and monetary acquistion. here’s a little history of them here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USGSOViaulc here’s the reason behind WW11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw9Qm_TejCo&skipcontrinter=1
Report Post »The amazing Rothchilds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUTJIsEGJLA
hidden_lion
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 9:04pmThe tree is shriveled and dry and in serious need of watering. The neglect of freedom in this country has brought us to the brink.
Report Post »black9897
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 9:11pmStand up for what’s right. Both suck. Make them understand we want freedom, not Romney or BO. Don’t give in.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:23amScout, Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHkPgBVQ8_8&feature=youtu.be
The race is not quite over yet. We will not know who the nominee is until after the first vote at the national convention, it could be Romney, but it still could be Paul if this lawsuit is successful.
I am wondering if The Blaze or Fox wil actually have the fortitude to put this story out. I doubt it.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 6:58amI’ve been saying for at least a year and a half: we are becoming a guided democracy. That‘s why we don’t have Herman Cain in the running anymore. Face it, we only get to vote on who they tell us we can vote on so that nothing ever changes. Obama nor the establisment Republicans could have handled an intelligent conservative black man in the running. The conservative blacks would have voted for Cain just because he’s black, and maybe some of the “don’t care” blacks just because he was black, not knowing/caring what his policies were. That’s fine. We’ve voted on personalities before. I heard one black conservative admit he would have voted for Obama had he been Mexican, just because he’s a minority, but he’ll be voting for Romney this time because he sees what O is all about.
Report Post »Truthbeliever2
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:23pmI’m voting for Ron Paul. If I am unable to vote for Paul I will not vote. Yep that’s right. I would rather watch this country crash and burn under Obama than have to vote for another progressive politician like Mitt Romney for president.
I will vote for a man based on my values. I will not vote for a man so that I can be part of the winning team in a RIGGED contest.
Individuality vs. flock of SHEEP
Communist U.S.A. is very close if not already here…
Report Post »theblazerunner
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:23pmnice links , thanks
Report Post »beckyspatflaveredstew
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:49pmIf given adequate time Dr. Paul would have educated the commies further. He would have explained that there is no dedicated “fund” for Your SSI payments. It along with the rest of Your hard earned wages stolen from Your paycheck, goes into the general fund to be squandered at the federalies discretion.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 9:33pm@SOYBOMB Thank you..I did not hear that he would not support Romney..That makes him even more my man.. I lost respect for Rand throwing his support behind him.. Rand will never be the man his father is.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:54amYou guys are so fickle it’s incredulous. So easy to hide behind that keyboard and criticize every politician sans Dr. Paul. Can anyone provide a healthy list of reps or senators that meet your expectations that have denounced the Romney candidacy?
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:14am@INLIGHTOFTHINGS Can you provide a healthy list of reps or senators that meet your expectations who support Romney?
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:06amASHES:
…I’ll start with Bachmann, Rubio, Christie, West, Ayotte, Pawlenty, Gingirch, Ryan, Walker, Palin.
Where’s you 10?
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:42pmIn Light of Things..Isn;t Rubio’s citizenship in question? Palin is a warmonger..Gingrich is a Communist..was behind one of the biggest land grabs in history..supported Obama Care, global warming Cap and Trade before it was exposed..There is another big land grab spanning millions of acres from NM to Montana..voted for a 50 billion dollar land increase..Bachman flat out lied about the letter saying that Iran was a couple of months away from getting the bomb..another war monger..I know nothing of Pawlenty..but Christy was all for muslim judges..and the rest..I have not researched..but most that I have mentioned..except for Palin who just buys into the BS are Communists..THe Republicans who haven’t awakened are supporting the NWO Communist agenda and do not realize it..but people are waking up on both sides..
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 3:17pmIn Light of things..I meant to say that Gingrich voted for a 50 billion dollar tax increase… I’m in a hurry.
Report Post »resme
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 4:50pmrubio just voted to continue the sugar subsidy, lol.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:48pmA good week for Ron Paul. Did you see him on the media yesterday emphatically saying he would not endorse Romney?
Also, if you want to watch the whole Ron Paul appearance, go here (of course theblaze wouldnt link to it).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=axOPWXLxmh0
Wasnt Glenn talking the last 2 days about how unfair it is to not show the entire video clip????
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 4:49amNo, Glenn said it is wrong to edit videos in such a way that alters the original context. Something that we all can agree on.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 7:32amyou’re right. But this is the internet – they should also link to the entire video in the name of information. Isn’t Glenn always talking about doing homework/being informed?
I just have a feeling that Glenn knows that if republicans truely understood Ron Paul, they would be supporting him and not Mitt Romney
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 7:44amOf course he doesn’t endorse Romney…he’s still campaigning for the Presidency. I‘m certain he’s still talking with Rand though, who has endorsed Romney.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:05amRon Paul: “There‘s no way I’m endorsing Romney”
http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-theres-no-way-im-endorsing-romney/
Watch the video troll
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:41amIf I were a candidate for POTUS, I would say the same things I’ve said the whole campaign. Won’t you just $hi+ if he comes out and endorses Romnay at some point….
Based on this…who here is NOT a troll…you guys crack me up and don’t even know the definition of the words you use….ignorance is what makes you so dangerous to liberty. You must work for NBC or something…
Report Post »TROLL
1a. Noun
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
ashestoashes
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:22am@INLIGHTOFTHINGS Before I knew who Romney was..I was keeping him open as an option..Since I have found out who he is..a liberal running as a conservative..and who is financed by the banks..and has suppor,abortion gun control..global warming Cap and Trade., the Patriot Act along with NDAA ..big government, and war mongering. all designed for the Communist NWO. .I really see no difference between him and Obama, . .THey will both do as they are told..Both are willing..Ron Paul is the only man with the courage to tell it like it is and brave enough to stand up to them. He’s been doing it for 10 yrs.. And the man has been in the business of saving lives..not taking them.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:33am@Inlightofthings
“TROLL
1a. Noun
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.”
________________________________________________
“Of course he doesn’t endorse Romney…he’s still campaigning for the Presidency.”
False and deliberately disruptive and argumentative statement.
1. Ron Paul admits to supporters and media he will not have enough delegates. Continuing campaign only in order to maximize message. (watch ron paul media appearances for the last 2 weeks)
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/07/ron-paul-admits-he-wont-be-nominee/
2.”There is no way I’m endorsing Romney”.
http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-theres-no-way-im-endorsing-romney/
I would say you are either ignorant or a troll. Or we can prosecute you under the NDAA for being a spreading knowingly false information….also known as a suspected information terrorist
Report Post »sonnetswan
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:46amFor the last 50 the presidents have been sucking in the power of the federal government to the point that we are in now, nearly a dictatorship. The only person who would return the rightful powers back to the congress is Ron Paul. This administration has appointed UN advisors to help it, through regulation, comply with the UN treaties we signed onto to years ago. If you think Romney will be any different you are kidding yourself.
So, if either Romney or Obama are elected all of us Christians will need to get their resolve in place to accept or deny the mark of the beast.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:20amWow SOY,…
“Continuing campaign only in order to maximize message” Last I knew it was President….motivations aside….
Sorry I didn’t site my source for Troll…urbandictionary.com
Frankly…you freak me out just a little bit…first you go haywire that Dr. Pauls’ message is not resonating leading to the nomination. Now you get unhinged because no-one understands the “motivation” for his continued campaign. It confuses people and you won’t litigate your way into the WH.
Report Post »Liberty_Effect
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:08pm@inlightofthings
I do my homework before spouting off – you should do the same. To continue saying the things you do is pure madness. You obviously know nothing about his campaign. There is a difference between trying to become president and running a campaign.
Just because Ron Paul knows he will not be the nominee, does not mean he has nothing else to do. He continues to campaign because there is a tremendous amont of work to do in the Republican party. You only recognize the power hungry politicians so i know this is strange to you. It is because of people like you that Ron Paul’s campaign has sooo much work to do in the party. At the end of the day, he is trying to make it a better party so people like soybomb can actually vote for their nominees
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:40pmLIBERTY:
BROTHER WINSTON SMITH
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:47am
One CRITICAL part of Ron Paul’s liberty movement MUST BE MEMORY!
REMEMBER WHO SUPPORTED US… AND WHO REJECTED US!
THE GOP MUST FULLY BE REJECTED!!!!
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And you say:
LIBERTY_EFFECT
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:08pm
@inlightofthings
“He continues to campaign because there is a tremendous amont of work to do in the Republican party….At the end of the day, he is trying to make it a better party so people like soybomb can actually vote for their nominees” (sorry for the paraphrase).
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I’m sure I could another that uses the word DESTROY
My opinion is that the 4-5 staunch Paul supporters deliver a fractured and inconsistent message that makes you entirely incredible. Not that you can’t put together some cogent thoughts but if you are carrying the Paul flag, in the collective you are doing a lousy job and providing a monumental dis-service to his campaign, candidacy, movement, run for the Presidency or whatever you call it today. The reason I ask for the “Blaze-Like” chat site for Paul is to get a sense for the real message since it’s all over the map with you 4-5. And I think if you look back…I’ve mostly challenged your process…not your content.
Just the other day I used the process vs content re: F&F saying it needs to be about the process ie Constitution. Sure enough, 2 days later Kirsten Powers on FOX said “people don’t care about the process, just the en
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 3:16pmit is really hard to follow your logic…are you saying that all Ron Paul supporters should think the same? Doesnt sound like freedom to me
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 3:18pmsorry abou tthe liberty effect posting, i had to switch computers and that is the name i use when theblaze has soybomb blocked. i was obviously referring to myself in 3rd person in previous post
Report Post »Freebird
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:33pmI just finished watching the entire interview on you tube.If you think this little bit was good,I recommend seeing the whole thing.Mr.Paul not only shines as a true conservative,but this panel’s true color comes out also.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:22pmI watched the entire interview as well and the students just need more time to figure out what Paul was telling them,they‘ve been taught that government is the be all and end all to every problem so it’ll take time for them to comprehend what he was saying.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 10:30pmActually, as a libertarian.
Report Post »DetritusScreener
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:32pmRon Paul is HONEST and FEARLSS! Regardless of what you think of his stance on political issues, he has more INTEGRITY in is pinky than any other candidate.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 9:10pmRon Paul is not bought..the un Federal Reserve could not buy the man..He is a man for the people..Too bad that they are being led gleefully down the Commie Brick Road.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:30pmIt‘s too bad Paul didn’t get the nomination,I particularly like his monetary policy and mantra of smaller government.His foreign policy is pretty straight forward,you go to war have it declared like it states in the constitution.We‘ve strayed so far from the constitution that we’ve created an imperial presidency where we go to war based on the presidents decision alone and that‘s clearly unconstitutional but we’ve been doing it so long like that people actually believe that’s the correct way of doing it.I especially like to read the comments from the people who think a Paul presidency would result in our certain annihilation, these people are not only irrational but I find them amusing as well.I guess we’ll have to settle for progressive light in ole Mitt,maybe he can reduce the debt? Don’t hold your breath though.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:01amProgressive, Wait until we see what the lawsuit does, then we will see what happens at the convention. No candidate can have the nomination as long as their is another candidate fighting in the race and Ron Paul is not out, the media just says so to distract.
Report Post »Lawyers for Ron Paul have taken over the Ron Paul campaign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHkPgBVQ8_8&feature=youtu.be
Jenny Lind
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:29pmReally? Ron Paul needs social security? Hmmmmmm.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:33pmWell he did say he paid more into it then he got out of it,I’ll take him at his word.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:38pmLike Ron said, social securty is a wealth transfer program from the rich to the poor. If someone makes $100,000 a year, and the government takes 6.2% (12.4%) every year….Will that person pay more in social security than the person who makes $50,000? Dont they get the same amount of social security when they retire?
Why would Ron Paul turn down his own tax money? That doesnt make any sense unless you are a socialist
Report Post »Bracsim
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:40pmshow me when did he say he needed social security, show me please????
Report Post »Ztclarke
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:50pmWouldn’t you want to get the mOney back that was promised to you? Just because I‘m against paying into it doesn’t mean I don‘t want my money or my money’s worth.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:55pm@progressiveslayer
Report Post »ROTFL!! You’d take him at his word if he said the moon was made of monkey poop.
The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:59pm@progressiveslayer
As of 2009 the maximum you were allowed to have deducted in SSI was $106,800 LIFETIME. Once you hit that you stop paying into it.
As of 2009 the maximum amount you were allowed to pay into it per paycheck was 6.2% (your employer also pays 6.2%).
There is also a yearly max which I could not find a valid site for…but I know when I got my yearly bonus of $25k or so in May, it usually put me over the top and I stopped seeing deductions for the rest of the year.
If I was 69 right now I would be getting $2,700.00 a month in SS according to the last mailout I got from them. That is $32,400 a year. Divide that into $106,800 and see how many years on SS you would have to be to get your money back…then check RP’s age. I already did…he is 76.
This takes you back to the tired arguement about how you’d have a lot more than that $106K if you had been able to invest it yourself…excuse me? Live until 90 on $32k a year in SS that you started receiving 21 years earlier…that comes to $692K. That is a pretty decent return on $106K.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:11pmQPWILLIE The juvenile remarks aren’t necessary and why are you so afraid of personal liberty?
Report Post »You just got to have that big government right.
resme
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:27pmCough cough, Do not forget the inflation that has happened to your money.
Let’s say ron paul put 20$ into social security in 1950.
What cost $20 in 1950 would cost $179.12 in 2010. Let’s say he put 6k in 1970.
What cost $6000 in 1970 would cost $33308.04 in 2010.
So no, He will never get back what he put into it.
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:38am“This takes you back to the tired arguement about how you’d have a lot more than that $106K if you had been able to invest it yourself…excuse me? Live until 90 on $32k a year in SS that you started receiving 21 years earlier…that comes to $692K. That is a pretty decent return on $106K.”
Oh yes… The tired argument… Lets see… If the compounding term is annually, then yes, over 21 years a return of 692K with an investment of 106K, is an interest of ~ 9.3%. That is a good interest rate… Oh, but wait, most private investments have a compounding term of semi-annual… With a semi-annual compounding term, over 21 years with 106K investment and 692K return yields an interest rate of ~ 4.5%… Not so good…
With the correct portfolio (ag/land, metals/metal miners, currencies, bonds, T-bills, domestic and international stock), one could easily obtain ~ 10% interest… But, for arguments sake, lets go to the low end and say it would yield 8%… 8% interest, semi-annually compounded, over 21 years yields ~ 2.69 million… Yes… Such a “tired” argument… Those that want S.S. to be public and not private are those that are to LAZY to do their due diligence researching investment opportunities…
And this does not address the problem of the difference between 692K and 106K… That money is supplied by others paying in to the system… Can you say Ponzi scheme?
Report Post »Mike Benton
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:26pmA ten year old could set this panel straight.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:49pmRomney could/would not
Report Post »Kenszen
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 4:31am@Soy I’m not the biggest fan of Romney, but oh yes he could.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 7:34amhavent seen it yet!
Although when the republicans have completed their months long coaching job on him, he will be able to rattle off a couple conservative things. We’ll see
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:23pmI no longer consider poor people needy , I consider them lazy and stupid…..my girlfriend I consider needy…….
Report Post »3monkeysmomma
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:27pmOh, God bless her!
Report Post »We’ll all chip in and get her a “device”.
justangry
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:55pmNah man. Disabled veterans are poor. Not Africa poor, but… You don’t consider us lazy and needy, do you? I’ve never asked for any help other than from the VA though I probably qualify. I don’t want to live off them the rest of my life. I’d prefer they figure out how to fix me up so I can do it myself, but they’re contracted out to Humana with little oversight, fraud, and embezzlement, so I’ve just accepted the hand I was dealt. Still others can’t cope. Remember, we’re averaging 18 veterans a day killing themselves. I consider them needy, don’t you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNzTCBCxnqo
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LeadNotFollow
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:23pm…
Don’t like Ron Paul, but he does have every right to draw a Social Security check. It’s not a freebie from the Government. He paid into S.S. It’s his money to draw out.
The Government spent our S.S. money on other things. It’s a Government controlled savings account, that was suppose to have been there for us when we retire. It was not to have been used for other purposes, but it was. Now S.S. is nearly broke.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:30pmHis response was perfect. He talked about how they didnt give him a choice, how they already took his money (by force). Then we talked about how silly of a question it was, since he also uses roads and post office. It was a classic response to shut up the progressive fools in the media
I hope he sticks around after he retires – the progressive’s worst fear is a Ron Paul with no congressional commitments
Report Post »barber2
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:04pmHope his son has some of his frugal, direct, and brave genes .
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 10:41pm@barber
Why so you can call him crazy also?
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:06amBarber, just to let you know, Rand Paul gave back $500,000 back to the treasury of the money he saved from his Senate budget.
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:21pmI think she was right about it “not making sense”…on my paychecks, SSI deductions stop part way through the year because, by then, I’ve paid the max that is called for.
Not to mention, what you will receive in less than 2 years collecting social security, will pay you back for every penny you’ve ever put into it. The argument that if you had kept that same amount you actually paid into it and invested it you would be set for life without need of goverment assistance…is a laughable joke. Either you (we) would have spent –as we do everything else we make– every penny of it on crap, or the amount upon retirement would be almost nothing…unless you are a wizkid of Wallstreet…because it is just that little that you pay into the program.
Report Post »Wannabfree
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:43pmNot sure how you figure things but I doubt that I will ever get back the 12.4% of my salary I paid in. Remember, your employer (or as in my case if you are self employed) must contribute the same amount you do. Over the 50 years I have paid into the system, I could have amassed a very tidy retirement if I had been able to keep my forced contributions and invested them instead of the paltry sum I will now receiver from the government. I supposed you learned from government schools and do not realize the true cost of hiring someone when you have to include the matching employer contributions for SSN and Medicare and Unemployment.
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:40pmAs of 2009 the LIFETIME max you could have paid into SSI was $106,800…if I was 69 right now, I’d be receiving $2,700 a month in SS, that is $32,400 a year…so it would take less than 4 years on SS to get all of YOUR money back. According to Wikipedia, the average lifespan in the US is 78 years old…so for almost 6 years you are living off of what others have paid into it who are not able to go on it yet. I think 78 is rather conservative tought…most of my “oldtimer” relatives are in their mid to late 80′s.
Bottom line? If people no longer had to pay into it and were allowed to open an IRA or something else, then you would get ZERO from age 73 to 78…and beyond. Or everyones taxes would go through the roof for the government to subsidize it.
SSI has been a BAD idea from the getgo. The only way to fix it now is to abolish it and tell all those retiring that their money is gone and they are on their own…and tell those that are still working that they no longer have to pay into it, but when their time comes they better damn well be prepared to take care of themselves.
Or get everyone (and I do mean EVERYONE) back to work and paying into it and kick this ponzi scheme can further down the road.
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:44pmSorry Wannabe…I missed the part where you are self employed and had to pay out that other 6.2% yourself.
Yeah that hurts…I can only hope you’ve invested elsewhere and can actually afford to retire without even taking SS into account.
Stay well & take care!
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 5:15amNone of what you said is even remotely true. You don’t have to be a sophisticated investor to save for YOUR retirement. You are just wrong. People do it every day. My parents did it and I am doing it. My neighbors are doing it as well. Chances are someone in your family is saving and planning for their retirement as well. But you go ahead and count on ss being there for you when or if you retire. Don‘t let it keep you awake at night thinking about how 1 worker will be able to take care of 5 retiree’s or when the ratio is at 1 to 20. Oh that will work out just fine. Or when you need 50$ for a loaf of bread because they continue to inflate/steal money from you. The checks will never stop, they’ll just be worth a lot less. Besides‘ they’ll fix it before it gets that bad, right?
Report Post »G-WHIZ
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:13amSoc-Sec. has always paid 1-1&1/2%/yr. If you were to have invested it privately, you would have averaged 8-15%/yr. Also. with SS, if he dies his wife gets 1/2 of his original payback. With the [private-Investment], she gets 100% of his monthly-withdraw…he sets-this-up when he originally set-up the private-inveatment-account, or before he dies-off.
Report Post »with SS, there is NO-WAY to give your spouce or others any bennifits before or after you die. The SS is just like the Nazi–SS…THEIR-WAY OR NOTHING!
RougeFastFingers
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:13pmBoy was Paul in the wrong place for that message, communism central.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:26pmHe popped them on the nose with a rolled up newspaper….
Report Post »BSdetector
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:29pmThe quickest, simplest way to smack down any commie asking if you do or would set an example by not applying for/collecting Social Security is this:
“Absolutely! I WISH they would ban me from Social Security for the rest of my life… just as soon as I get back every single penny I ever paid into it, and exempted from ever having to pay into it again!”
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:08pm“Do you feel, in speaking to this next generation that you just spoke of, any obligation to talk to them, perhaps instruct them about the fact that there has been a social contract among Americans from one generation to another to help those that need help the most?”
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Once again, this question has already been answered by America’s Founding Fathers long ago:
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“If Congress can apply money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may establish teachers in every State, county, and parish, and pay them out of the public Treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post roads. In short, every thing, from the highest object of State legislation, down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress; for every object I have mentioned would admit the application of money, and might be called, if Congress pleased, provisions for the general welfare.”
-James Madison, House of Representatives, February 1792
Report Post »Coonshine
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:32pmJames Madison’s insight was right on the money. What can we do with all the peoples money,,,,,,,,,
Report Post »RepentYe
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:20pmWow. And it happened just like he said. The Feds have their fingers in everything. Thanks for that one.
Report Post »OperationNorthwoods
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:02pmCan’t wait for the excuses the Romney supporters here will conjure up when he gets elected and immediately sells out. Then again if you have no core principals can you actually sell out?
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:17pmThey will blame Obama just like Obama blames Bush
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:23pmI don’t think that Romney could or would do anything near like 0bama to destroy this country any further. I for one am not a fan of Romney in any sense of the word, but, and only because of 0bama, I am now one of Romney’s largest supporters. I do expect him to disappoint me more than once once he takes office, but hopefully not as much as W. did!
Report Post »barber2
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:50pmI admire Paul for going into the Lion’s Far Left Den ! I do hope his financial frugality takes hold and the “entitled” are able to be weened off the government breast without throwing us into chaos/ revolution which the Obama OWS/ anti-rich rhetoric seems aimed to create. Oh, we are going to feel the pain from the damage that this administration has wrought for YEARS to come. And they have set back race relations for decades by playing the Race Card both to excuse their inadequacies and also to stir up anger and social unrest . Nasty bunch of ” anti-capitalists” – as Bill Ayers so “ eloquently ” stated in that infamous OWS video !
Report Post »Koz469
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 9:08pmWhere Obama is a Marxist, Romney is a Socialist just like George Bush. I expect nothing from Romney but more big government just like he gave Mass. and just like we got from George Bush. To be honest we might as well have Obama so we can go bankrupt faster and at least get it overwith.
Report Post »Liberty Over Democracy
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:01pmI think Ron Paul is the most consistent Constitutionalist that is part of the mainstream political mechanism that we have today. However, he is wrong in taking the social security when he doesn’t need it financially, when he could set an example for many others to follow. I recently told my parents (85/79), with only $350/month income from a lousy union pension that my dad paid in for 40 yrs, that their great WW2 generation should set the example by giving up social security and let their children provide for them in their “old age”. Unfortunately,like Paul, they feel they paid in, so the “earned” it. But it is even more unfortunate that if we don’t do something to change that attitude, the US that we alll have known is doomed – it is the single largest threat to our country, with the FED and the Corporate/Government corruption that created it and continues today in a close second place.
Vote with your dollars and your feet; don’t try to maintain the status quo and the path we are on, as there is a cliff ahead. Open your eyes, and bond with those like minded people, get off the train and we shall overcome.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:09pmNO. not takig social security only makes the governent stronger and perpetuates a broken system. Better to take the social securty money (that he paid into) and use the money for charity or whatever in the free market
Report Post »Rightallalong
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:11pmI pay in, and I want it back – ITS MY MONEY. If they would let me opt out and return all my payments then I would agree.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:13pmLiberty Over Democracy
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:01pm
Unfortunately,like Paul, they feel they paid in, so the “earned” it.
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He didn’t have a choice though….
You can go to jail if you don’t pay social security withholding….
It would be a different story entirely if Social Security had been entirely optional since its inception, however you have to pay into it……..or else!
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:28pmSocial Security is money the Government stole from me. I want it back. F the Government! That money is MINE!
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:37pm@Liberty. When my dad started collecting S.S. I told him to get his share plus mine. I am not planning on recieving S.S.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:23amLiberty, From what you say rich people, if they sere to say, wreck their automobile, and even though they have paid their insurance company premiums for three or four decades, they should not accept an insurance check to fix the vehicle? Kinda the smae thing.That does not make any sense.
Report Post »Liberty Over Democracy
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:16pmYou dont get it, WE must take the action. Waiting for the seriously corrupt government and corporations will only yield a train wreck from a course that is already set. Stay on the train…. I am not.
All of these “bloggesr” need to stop the judgemental, name calling, opinionated crap comments; and look inside===the answer comes from within, Try to convince others to see that they hold the key… quit trying to change the world or the system… and change thyself. Others will follow.
Report Post »libertyandresponsibility
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:00pmIf you go back and actually read The Constitution, what the founders wrote and did, you‘d see they don’t match Ron Paul’s message.
Report Post »KC1
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:50pmHa, one just one example please!
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:48amLiberty:
Report Post »I don’t know about that one. I think the good Dr. got it right…the founders were pretty tough on the slackers in the day from what I was taught. The “it takes a village thing” was made famous by Hillary but I’m sure came up before her. Founders gave up businesses, lives and security, but not to care for their lazy a$$ neighbors through government programs. It was all personal philanthropy…like Doc said.
TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 6:59pmRon nailed it in this segment; too bad no one watches this cheese channel, MSNBC.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:12pmCan you imagine Romney being asked a question like that and then proceeding to smack them down with principles??
No, Romney would have talked about he wants to help the american people, blah blah blah
Report Post »barber2
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:00pmSOY: Please. don’t be so hard on Romney. He is running against the American Lefty/ anti-conservative Lap Dog Media and the American people who, for the love of heaven, elected Mr Hollywood / My Life Is Fiction Obama to be the last present ! This is a difficult “ audience ” to sway ! You have to “ entertain” them before you can “ change ” things ! Look what Lefty Obama has accomplished after smoozing his way into office ! You must GET IN first !
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:32amBarber, We Paul supporters are not giving up. I have been posting about the lawsuit brought against the RNC but nobody seems to be interested in that, as though they do not believe me or something. Lawyers for Ron Paul have taken over the Paul campaign without asking, I might add. This lawsuit, although called frivolous by the RNC, looks viable to me. It is in the 9th circuit which Romney, Gingrich and Santorum slammed during the debates. I am not sure what is going to happen, but it very well could unbind all the delegates on the first round in Tampa, now that would be something, it would change the way we do elections from now going forward.
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jsciai
Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:11amwpc, first off, thanks for the correction on Congressman Paul.
Report Post »Ya know, here’ s the thing. What would happen to conservatives if RP did get the nomination via the lawsuit? Do you think there would be enough folks to support him in the chaos that would follow? What about all those folks whoe voted for Romney/others? Do yo think they will take kindly to losing their candidate to a lawsuit? I know you like to talk about delegates, but there is no disputing the fact that Romney got the vast majority of votes over RP. At any rate, Would RP have enough time to even campaign before the election? What about funds? RP didn’t have enough to keep on campaigning much less go up against obama. Wake up man! Four more years of obama will decimate this country to the point you won’t be able to pick up the pieces. RP’s role in this country is not over, he will be appointed to a cabinet position or continue contributing as a congressman. Romney’s not perfect but he will get us started on the right track, along with a conservative congress. Really, that whole lawsuit thing is such a loser.
progressiveslayer
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 6:56pmPaul schooling the ******** at msnbc on the constitution is priceless,the msnbc drones have no knowledge of our constitution,they’ve bought the progressive lies about it hook line and sinker.
Report Post »Social contract? That must be in the ‘free stuff’ clause of the constitution and libs bore me with their idiotic BS they continually spew.
welovetheUSA
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 6:54pmSocail security was designed for widows after the war……….now everyone is on the band wagon, illegals get social security..their kids get social security in disability..People who do not need social security claim it none the less…..its out of control and must be delt with, period. Ron Paul should not be on socal security..nor should 30 million others who have incomes above 40,000.00 ..it has to stop.
Report Post »Rightallalong
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:00pmI would agree that people that do not need social security should not receive it provided they are given the money back that was taken from them … if not then it is theft. Its been taken from me and I will sure as hell want to get my SS payments even if I don’t need it.
IT’S MY MONEY!!
Report Post »3monkeysmomma
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:03pmMy cousin, a profoundly disabled veteran can’t get it or barely any help from the military.
Why the hell is that? Why do career low-lifes get it but not the people who paid into the system for years and served their country in uniform? She would be homeless if not for her parents who can barely take care of themselves.
We come from a family with a long military tradition but when my little boy said he wanted to join the army when he grew up my husband (a veteran) and I told him absolutely NOT! The way we treat out servicemen is shameful!
Report Post »scuba13
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:13pmSo you want the government to take the taxes for Social Security, but if you earn to much you shouldn’t get your money back? Spoken like a true progressive.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:52pmDang, if you really think about how wrong SS is…it’s hard for me to believe the people let that pass at the time! I guess it was after a war..there always has to be a disaster of some kind to get socialist policies thru. Can you imagine if they told us they are going to now take money out of our paychecks every month for Obamacare on top of everything else the government takes out??? Oh wait….thats what theyre going to do…..very soon now!
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 6:53pmI’d say they just got SCHOOLED!!
Dr. Paul is a brilliant man, and a Constitutional SCHOLAR, for whom I hold great respect.
He’s not that great at being a candidate, but, I’d sit in his classroom ANY DAY.
(Yes, I can disagree with him on foreign policy, and still respect him)
Great job, Dr. Paul !
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:33pmTrue. It should almost be common knowledge now that anyone who is principled and a great thinker – will not good at “politics”. Of course, it is the other way around for the best politicians – they are the worst at principles and constitution
Makes you wonder what kind of hope there is – since americans obviously only vote for the ‘good politicians’
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:25amSOYBOMB315
Report Post »Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:33pm
True. It should almost be common knowledge now that anyone who is principled and a great thinker – will not good at “politics”.
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I can’t let that simplistic declarative go by without Challenging it. If it’s just your personal opinion please change your comment to reflect that fact. If you base that opinion on the works of others please share how being a good politician and being a principled great thinker are mutually exclusive.
Liberty_Effect
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:12pmstudy history of the amerian government over the last 50 years. I am not here to educate you – that is your job
Report Post »freeberty
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 6:50pmDo you think he can come on the blaze and educate those that are voting for Romney and Obama.
Report Post »3monkeysmomma
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 6:56pmDon’t you love all the friendly articles the Blaze is running on Congressman Paul now that it hardly matters anymore?
Two weeks ago, according to them, he was a cross between Satan and PeeWee Herman.
Report Post »scuba13
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 6:59pmWhat do you need to be educated about?
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:01pm@freeberty
People are voting for 0bama or Romney because those are the only two candidates in the major parties. Ron Paul didn’t get the nomination.
Maybe somebody needs to educate you on how these things work.
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:04pmIt would not help. Some people are stuck on stupid. If you are anti-obama you are a racist. If you are anti-romney then you are anti-mormon. Obama should drop bitme and have romney as his running mate. Romney should have obama as his VP choice. Oromney for prez.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:18pmqpwillie
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:01pm
People are voting for 0bama or Romney because those are the only two candidates in the major parties.
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That’s false……
People are voting for Romney or Obama because they want government-run healthcare:
Romney In 2009: “Glad To Hear” Obama “Copying” RomneyCare
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:33pm@KidCharlemagne
Report Post »People are voting for Romney or 0bama because those are the candidates. Anybody but a Paulbot would be smart enough to know that.
freeberty
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:49pm@QPWillie
I believe Gary Johnson will be on everyone’s ballot, also a space for a write-in. Thanks for showing us how smart you are.
Report Post »mudbitedlite
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:09pmOh man you beat me to it Freeberty but thank you for pointing out the intelligence of the average Romney supporter.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:14pmqpwillie
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:33pm
@KidCharlemagne
People are voting for Romney or 0bama because those are the candidates………..who want government-run healthcare………..
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Fixed it for ya’, QPWillie :)
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:19pm@freeberty
Yes there are always various minor candidates on the ballot but there are only two candidates who have any chance whatsoever of being president. I’m very sorry that you are not smart enough to realize that.
A write-in vote is what people use to take votes from a real candidate. Nobody really believes a write-in vote will get that person elected. That’s why the Paulbots will be using it to help 0bama.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 9:18pmqpwillie
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:19pm
A write-in vote is what people use to take votes from a real candidate.
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What if I don’t want government-run healthcare though?..
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:50amQP, You are dead wrong, as Paul is still in the race, the nominee will not be known until the first round of votes in Tampa, wise up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHkPgBVQ8_8&feature=youtu.be
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 6:49pmRon Paul again schools the idiots.
When you are complaining about the devaluation of the dollar blame yourself. You chose not to elect the guy screaming to stop it.
When we continue the endless wars by being tied to the UN and Nato and we continue the nation building blame yourself. You chose not to elect the one guy trying to end them.
When you get mad about the freedoms you are losing on a monthly basis, stop and blame yourself. You chose not to elect the one guy that would fight to restore the Constitution.
Dont scream and yell about abortion when you support a guy that created Romneycare that allows 50 dollar abortions and in 2009 called for a national health care mandate. You chose not to elect the guy that would fight to have abortion deemed as murder.
We told you people. You didnt listen, we will all suffer. Bankruptcy is on the horizon from the same things crazy Ron Paul has been saying for 30 years. You may not agree with everything Ron Paul says but if you are a true conservative you are closer to Ron Paul than Mitt Romney.
The definition of conservative is not blind support for Israel and a desperation to control their foreign policy.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:02pmWhen is he going to explain why he is working with George Soros groups and why he believes 911 was an inside job?
Report Post »KC1
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:58pmNeofan are you purposely mis representing Pauls positions or are you just really smart and actually think thats what he has said? Perhaps you don’t understand his positions because he doesnt speak in bumper sticker philosophy like Romney.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:20pm@NEOFAN Ron Paul‘s public statement was that the CIA’s findings was that 9/11 was blowback. This is why it was more than likely an inside job. and the reason was to start these wars to cause us so much debt that the NWO could be ushered in.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USGSOViaulc
Report Post »This is what they did in Germany. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw9Qm_TejCo&skipcontrinter=1
And this is what they most likely did here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28tE0fKpISM
And this is said to be their Biblical routes.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUTJIsEGJLA
riseandshine
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:50pm@Neofan……9/11 absolutely WAS an inside job. I’ve never heard Paul say he believed that though.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 10:11pm@NEOFAN As far as I know..Ron Paul was working with some like minded people who wanted to work on stopping the war..George Soros happens to have a lot of groups working in Washington..People like Barney Frank had worked in Soros groups..but Frank is a fellow Congressman.. they do tend to work together for common causes..Ron Paul is against the unFederal Reserve..Georger Soros is a frontman for them.. You don’t hear any of the other candidates being against them.. Not even Rand Paul holds a candle to his dad.. This man is smart..he calls a spade a spade..he is principled, honest..and someone who has always worked for our Constitutional rights..who else has done that?
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 10:15pmWhen Ron Paul leaves the revolution it ends. It rises and falls with Ron Paul. The tea party will survive and win because it’s not a cult of a personality. The death threats from Paul supporters are not working. The behavior of Ron Paul supporters is the biggest red flag. His followers are violent and mentally ill.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 11:39pm@neo
Well arent you a typical uninformed sheep.
Ron Paul didnt say 911 was a inside job. Post the link and prove me wrong.
Ron Paul works with both political party. The one you are speaking of was a way to cut military spending. It was a panel put together to find ways to stream line the military for the future. Do you not think there is government waste in the DOD budget?
You referred to Paul supporters as violent. Again, post the link and prove it. Last time violence surrounded the Paul supporters it was at the LA state convention where the newly nominated chair(a Ron Paul supporter) was attacked by police and knocked down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k884ZKUNwbo
Now, back the pen sheep.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 11:41pmNeoFan
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 10:15pm
When Ron Paul leaves the revolution it ends. It rises and falls with Ron Paul.
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Think again:
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Report Post »“Karen Kwiatkowski, a Republican candidate for Congress in Virginia, rarely passes up an opportunity to scold Washington politicians about runaway defense spending, which she says is an egregious waste of taxpayer dollars that does little to make Americans safer. Halfway across the country, Tisha Casida, a Colorado Independent, says she’ll push to end the drug war and legalize marijuana if she’s elected to the House. In Florida, Calen Fretts, a Libertarian seeking to unseat a veteran Republican congressman, promises that if he’s elected he’ll begin working to abolish the U.S. Federal Reserve. “As people increase the size and scope of government,” Fretts says, “there’s got to be a few of us to resist it.”
Bloomberg Businessweek: “Ron Paul’s Torchbearers”
ashestoashes
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:05am@NEOFAN I do not believe for one moment that Ron Paul supporters ever made death threats. I believe every effort has been made to marginalize him and you are just falling into the manipulation of the masses….it‘s a fool’s game..Lucifer leads the way for you and your ilk..good luck!!
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:05amNeo, Ron Paul i a catalyst for a Liberty movement by patriots who have woke up to tyranny. This movement is not about any one man, it is about our freedoms. We have taken over many GOP positions in many states so far and we will continue to do so. Our first objective is to get Paul nominated after the lawsuit unbinds the delegates. If that does not work, we will write Pauls name in so as not to have a progressive Republican POTUS for eight years and we can try again with another Liberty candidate in four and finish taking over the GOP.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXhY1j3ZAMs&feature=youtu.be
West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:15amNeo, One other thing you should know, Ron Paul supporters ARE the Tea Party. The Tea Party is not the co-opted neocons that say they are Tea! It is Romney forces that have been violent, not Paul supporters, take a look at this video about the lawsuit that will expose the RNC, GOP and Romney campaign of election fraud, coercion, brutality to the point of breaking bones, etc…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHkPgBVQ8_8&feature=youtu.be
Suits and charges on RICO statutes will be next. If convicted on RICO, some could face life.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:00amWEST COAST PATRIOT
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:15am
Neo, One other thing you should know, Ron Paul supporters ARE the Tea Party.
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WCP:
Just FYI…not even close to accurate in my neck of the woods. The understanding here is that the splinter to a 3rd party gained no traction so Paul supporters back tracked by co-opting TEA to move fiscally right in the GOP. A LARGE % of both GOP and TEA believe Pauls views on foreign affairs and national security are suspect.
I agree with the need to rid the rino’s and it is happening every election.
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:41amYes neofan you have impressied us, with your obvious degree from the russian school of propaganda and brain washing.Head of your class weren’t you.Ron paul supporters are violent and mentaly ill.Hum I think not.Thats a con game used by pseudointellectuals who’ve lost the fight, as they never had any platform to fight on.Distract defect and obsfucate.You are one poor pathetic individual.Please go back to the communist party where you belong.Stop bothering sane rational people with your bs dribble and lies.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:07am@WESTCOAST thanks for the great videos.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:30amInLightofTHings, Not sure where you are from, but wherever it is, you are all being misinfrmed.Ron Paul planted the seeds of the Tea Party in Dec. 2007. Wtch this video and maybe you can pass it on to all the misinformed in your area. http://teapartyeconomist.com/2012/05/03/the-orogin-of-the-tea-party-movement/
Ashes,I try to get all important videos on The Blaze as I can for Paul supporters. I really do not care about all the NEOCONS or Fox Sheeple, as they are just those type of people who would crap their pants if some star walked by them, buckling at the knees as they think all stars are gods,
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:48amWCP:
Report Post »Just saying that all the folks I know will NOT vote for Paul for his views on foreign affairs and national defense. Fiscally he’s dead on but sends mixed messages on the latter items. I formed that opinion myself during the debates as well…
theblazerunner
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:32pmlove tthe info ashes, thanks
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 3:12pm@BLAZERUNNER My pleasure ..Blessings.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 3:38pmInlightofthings
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:00am
The understanding here is that the splinter to a 3rd party gained no traction so Paul supporters back tracked by co-opting TEA to move fiscally right in the GOP.
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Looks like you received bad info then:
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“On December 16, 1773, American colonists dumped tea into the Boston Harbor to protest an oppressive tax. This December 16th American citizens will dump millions of dollars into the Ron Paul presidential campaign to protest the oppressive inflation tax.
Please join us this December 16, 2007 for the largest one-day political donation event in history. Our goal is to bring together 100,000 people to donate $100 each, creating a one day donation total of $10,000,000.”
Ron Paul Tea Party ‘07 (December 16, 2007)
YouTube: “The Tea Party Started In 2007 And Ron Paul Is The Godfather”
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 4:08pmInLight, So Pauls foreign policy scares you guys? You just want the government to continue sending yours, mine and everyone elses money overseas to dictators and comunists? You want our young soldiers to continue to be in harms way every single day so they have the chance to come home minus limbs or in a casket? You want to leave our borders less secure while our troops guard foreign borders to protect foreign oil interests? You think that Iran is a real threat to us, or is your loyalty to Isreal? You are against the Constitution and only going to war when war is declared by the people, or are your loyalties to the U.N. and NATO?
“I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.” – Ron Paul
“We must only send our men and women to fight for our country when the mission is clear, every necessary tool needed to win is provided, and we respect the Constitution by declaring war.”
- Ron Paul
“As President, I give you my word that I will only exercise my authority within the confines of the Constitution,…” – Ron Paul
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 4:15pmUnbelievable, I tried twenty times over and over again to post my reply above. The Blaze blocked it everytime. They have blocked every attempt of mine since I started posting when I would put in Ron Pauls quote from his statement of faith where he talks about binding the government, the last quote above, so I had to take that part of the quote out in order for them to post it. Why? any answers from anyone? Go here to read Pauls entire statement of faith: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/statement-of-faith/
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 6:52pmIs there anyone that wants to comment on my post above? If you are for continuing the status quo with Romney at the helm, then all I said above is directed to you.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:00pmWCP:
To be clear there are no “you guys” with me. Not to be confused with ITSJUSTTIM…but it’s just me observing and speaking for myself.
Your questions, with due respect are somewhat rhetorical at least for the moment. I will say this…I’ve been vilified here for not jumping on the Paul train. I’m on record saying 3-4 elections cycles for real results toward a constitutional republic and was called a fool since we only have months, perhaps a few years before we implode. Paul is the only savior…
I’ve been called unprincipled, a progressive, a hack, liberal, troll, ignorant, stupid, uninformed and on and on.
What I will not do in November is willingly turn over the next 2-4 SCOTUS appointments that I know will result in more Kagans and Sotomayors; the math gets no simpler which means 2/3 of the 3 co-equal branches are controlled by the FAR left – POTUS and SCOTUS. Call it the NWO, big banks, big money, establishment or whatever you want but I don’t think Paul can win. It doesn‘t mean I support NWO but it means I know they can’t be beaten this go round. Your points are valid and you present good information. You, SOY, ANGRY, the GOP, me, we’ve all had 4+ years to find the right candidate and here we are.
I’ll elaborate some other time but I am only working to figure out how the Paul / TEA / Conservative movement failed to produce their “ideal” nominee. I see plenty of conflicting messages and the discovery process has been interesting
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:07pmStatement of Faith
Report Post »“I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.”
-Ron Paul
My faith is a deeply private issue to me, and I don’t speak on it in great detail during my speeches because I want to avoid any appearance of exploiting it for political gain. Let me be very clear here: I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.
It is God Who gave us life. As He is free, so are those He created in His image. Our rights to life and liberty are inalienable.
I’m running for President of the United States because I believe that our traditions and way of life are under attack from an out-of-control federal government and reckless politicians who show no regard for what our Founders entrusted to our protection.
America became the greatest nation in human history because a dedicated band of Patriots believed their God-given rights were worth fighting for, even if it meant challenging the world’s most powerful nation in what many deemed a “hopeless” cause.
Being free meant so much to our forefathers that they put everything on the line – and thousands sacrificed their lives – to give the promise of liberty to not only their children and grandchildren, but to generations they knew they would never even meet.
ashestoashes
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:19pmPart 2 Statement of Faith
Report Post »Their courage and determination guaranteed they would defy the odds and achieve victory.
In this critical election, you and I must decide if the principles of limited government and personal freedom are worth fighting for once again.
Since I’m asking for your vote and your trust to lead this nation, let me tell you a little bit about my background and beliefs.
My parents raised my four brothers and me on a dairy near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, where they set clear examples for each of us about faith, honest living, and individual responsibility. Their Christian values helped inspire two of my brothers to eventually enter the ministry, and provided me with the foundation I needed to practice medicine and one day become a U.S. Representative.
In addition to my time in Congress, I am proud to have delivered over 4,000 babies as a country doctor in Texas. As I trained to practice medicine, I became convinced without a doubt that life begins at the moment of conception. I never performed an abortion, and I never once found an abortion necessary to save the life of the mother. In fact, I successfully helped women struggling with their pregnancies to seek other options, including adoption.
I am running to Restore America Now, and by that I mean that it’s time to protect and promote the basic God-given rights inherent in the promise of America.
Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 6:37pmEducate the Commies and the Big Government Republicans,Doctor. Amazing how a “Crazy Old Man” has more sense than any other politician.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 6:36pmHes a great speaker and his platform is great but Gary Johnson has the credentials you need to take the office of president than Ron Paul doesn’t have. His movement is great and i can’t wait till it gets to the top than USSA can become the USA again.
Report Post »Bonnieblue2A
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:12pmGary Johnson is clueless about the problems with our monetary system and the banks. Check out Bill Still‘s video on Johnson’s insane comments about how the robo-signing mortgage forclosures and the banks committed no crimes.
Ron Paul speaks the truth with the conviction of a true statesman. He walks the walk while others merely talk the talk while they diminish our liberties and grow government.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:53pmINDI: Duh. We’s so dumb dat we don know dat you is tryin to divide us dum “ right wing ” crazies…so you yes stay here and keep tellin us dat stuff you is telling us ’bout dat John-son guy…
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:11pmyeah i guess its true inbreeding does lower intelligence of people perhaps it should be banned.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:42pmINDI: whys they lets you be here….
Report Post »DeltaCharlieCain
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:59amBetween Gary Johnson and Ron Paul… I like both, I am a libertarian and either one of them would be better than Obama or Romney, but I cannot vote for Johnson over Ron Paul. Johnson is not pro-life.
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