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Rumsfeld Describes What 9/11 Was Like as Secretary of Defense and at the Pentagon
- Posted on September 11, 2011 at 6:02pm by
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Joining former President George W. Bush and former Vice President Dick Cheney, former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has taken part in a recent video interview describing his experience on 9/11. The video was released today by The Daily, and features Rumsfeld describing the day through the eyes of the Secretary of Defense, in addition to describing the Pentagon in the aftermath of the attack over gripping footage.
Rumsfeld has been in the news of late, making several comments calling attention to the risk of another attack if fiscal hawks choose to cut defense spending rather than entitlements to ail the nation’s current fiscal woes.
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snufy
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 9:16pmWhy are so many people here trying to make sour grapes out of Secretary Rumsfeld? Is this a hate forum, or is it about his involvement at the pentagon? Try to keep on the subject, children. I have worked at the pentagon and know many who still do. Maybe you think Obama is more qualified and makes better decisions. Many of you would critisize Jesus Christ if he had been there in the flesh. This is exactly why more qualified people do not want to run for political office. You always get a rectal exam by the media. I’m sure many of you are qualified to throw rocks at our people in charge. If you know it all, why don’t you run for office?
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:49am@snufy, This is not about who is better in office or who isn’t. This is about how lacking Rumsfeld was as a government employee. Obama is no better. In fact, there has not been anyone in the government that has cared for or will care for the people since before my life-time. If you think we went to war with Iraq for our protection, then you have either been fed the lie and believe it, or during your tenure in the Pentagon you were not in on the key “goings-on”.
Report Post »As for qualifications to throw rocks, you bet I am. As long as the government lies to the people I will “throw rocks” at them. As long as the government helps to dumb-down the population, and then make up excuses for sending our troops to war, I will “throw rocks” at them.
“Running for office” is not the solution. While I’m not quite sure of a solution, I’m pretty sure JFK is the answer to “running for office.” If you think that ANYONE can be president, maybe you should look at history and see exactly who ALL of our presidents were affiliated with. I’ll let you decide.
Peace
1casawizard
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 8:55pmI wish there were some S.O.B.s on all those planes that day. I wouldn‘t mind to have been one of’em.
Report Post »thecrow
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 10:12pmTell us again why you were playing paramedic outside for the cameras and doing God knows what instead of issuing orders from the NMCC where you belonged, Mr. Rumsfeld. We know you were No. 2 in the chain-of-command behind Bush and that Cheney could not lawfully issue military orders.
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2011/02/07/unknown-knowns/
Report Post »Lamarr01
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 12:10amThis is a good article on Rumsfeld’s role on 9/11. The rules for engaging a hijacked aircraft were changed on June 1, 2001. Previously, the National Military Command Center (NMCC) and operational commanders had the authority to scramble fighters to investigate a hijacking. The new rules deferred the decision to the Secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld.
Before June 1, 2001, when an aircraft shut off its transponder, the decision to launch fighters was given. The typical response time was 7-8 minutes. It’s not clear that Rumsfeld gave any orders but deferred to Dick Cheney.
Any orders would have been carried out by the NMCC. Navy Captain Charles Leidig was in charge of the NMCC (national military command center) on 9/11/01 from 8:30am — 10:30am
ONLY BECAUSE
Gen. Montague Winfield asked Leidig to stand part of his duty that morning.
specifically the 2 hours that coincided with 9/11/01 alleged hijackings and plane crashes — including NORAD & other military failures.
Why did Winfield ask a rookie to sit in for him, on a day when 4 or 5 major war game exercises were going on — during a time when all intel & military forces were on high alert?
Report Post »TheWholeTruth
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 3:08amWasn’t just ironic that he had just had a grilling by Congress about the 2 TRILLION dollars MISSING at the Defense Department and the very next day, a ‘plane’ hit the very office that had all the records destroying ANY possibility of finding it? hmmm Guess he was just ‘lucky.’
Report Post »SHOWMESTATEGUY
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 4:01amLet me think here. Bill Clinton had just left office a few months before this attack. Clinton had been in power eight years. So you are saying the Bush people planned all this and put it into action in the few months they were in power? You people are nuts.
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 4:43am@Showmestate…I think Clinton was in it up to his eyeballs
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 6:11am@SHOWMESTATEGUY, Bush people? If you’re talking about Rummie and Cheney and Rice….. Listen, my friend, there is no left and there is no right. It’s an illusion to make enemies out of would-be allies. They need conflict. They? The government. Those behind the government. They want you at odds with others. While you‘re distracted with each other’s different view points, they are sitting in the back ground taking your freedoms away. They planned this. They had been planning this for some time. They needed “a new Pearl Harbor.”
Report Post »Peace
jzs
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:35amHello Speckchaser. Okay, here was the specific reference I had in mind as far as the NRA. The NRA opposes any rescrictions of buying guns, including anything that prevents people on terrorist watch lists from buying guns. Maybe you’ll believe this, since it is from FOX:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270142,00.html
The same applies to gun shows, where any person can walk in and arm themselves to the teeth without a background check of any kind (if you want references I’ll supply them, but there have been plenty of “sting” videos on this, including with people explicitely saying they could not pass a background check). So go ahead and get upset at Obama when some suspected terrorists walk into Times Square and blow away 100 people with guns bought at a gun show, but I’ll have a different opinion. You can now cancel your NRA membership, as you promised.
I have answered your question about the liberal ideas, several times I think. You are just not getting the answer you want, especially given you emphasis on the “benefits I reap.” If you are a Christian, what immediate benefits do you reap by helping the poor? If your focus is benefit reaping, why do Tea Party people support policies that are against their and their families best financial interest, to increasingly elevate the “richest among us”, and increase the divide between the richest and the rest of us (easy to supply references).
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:11pmHey JZS,
You should really learn to reply in the correct area of the thread if you want the intended replyee to see it.
JZS WROTE: “why do Tea Party people support policies that are against their and their families best financial interest, to increasingly elevate the “richest among us”, and increase the divide between the richest and the rest of us (easy to supply references).”
You are a class war monger. And nice punt by the way.
Oh, and happy GBTV day !!!!!!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 2:38pmFrom CNN today: “Al Qaeda central’s media arm As Sahab recently released a video titled “You are Only Responsible for Yourself,” encouraging followers to carry out acts of individual terrorism in the West – by buying weapons at gunshows in America for example, where background checks are not carried out. In it, American al Qaeda propagandist Adam Gadahn said: “It’s simply a matter of taking precautions, working in total secrecy, and making use of all means to do damage to the enemy.”
Gun attacks by terrorists are one of the scenarios that are now causing most concern to Western-counter-terrorism officials because of the relative ease with which such weapons can be acquired.”
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/12/al-qaeda-2-0-what-the-next-10-years-will-bring/?hpt=hp_bn3
Thanks in part to the NRA, and there continuing effort make sure even suspected terrorists can buy guns, and that gun shows allow terrorists to buy guns without so much as a background check, Al Qaeda is promoting the use of those NRA promoted loopholes to kill Americans. Think about that next time you are in the mall or other crowded place.
The NRA, working hand in hand with Al Qaeda and drug lords to slaughter Americans. Thanks NRA and don’t worry, when the slaughter comes, just blame Obama!
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 6:09pm@JZS
No dice as you say. Your argument is fundamentally flawed and therefore irrelevant.
The flaw is numerous people ended up on a watch list for different reasons, none having to do with suspected terrorism. Once you make the list it’s a headache to be removed. You’re condemning the NRA for not backing legislation that could catch law-abiding citizens in a dragnet for having the wrong name, stripping them of their second amendment rights for no reason.
The following is from the link below.
“Over the past three years, 81,793 frustrated travelers have formally asked that they be struck from the watch list through the Department of Homeland Security; more than 25,000 of their cases are still pending.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/nyregion/14watchlist.html
You’re ideas for gun regulations are based off the exception not the rule. Less than 1% of guns used in crimes were obtained though gun shows according to “Firearm Use by Offenders 6 (Bureau of Justice Statistics, Nov. 2001).”
What would you think about legislation that says since some are abusing and committing fraud with government assistance, we will no longer give assistance to anyone, to stop the abuse? Sound logical, like your plan for gun control right?
You were not too impressed with my remark about 9/11 but you missed the joke. You took offense to a liberal talking point, which I found funny. I was simply applying liberal logic to your statement. Sorry you missed it.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 6:52pmHey Spec. No, I got your joke, only it’s not a liberal talking point, it’s a conservative one. How long can the democrats blame Bush? The answer is that when, after seven years of Bush policies, the deficit has soared, we’re in an unnecessary quagmire in Iraq, and the economy completely collapses, then you can blame him for awhile, history will anyway.
Honestly I really appreciated your argument comparing the abuse of gun laws to abuse of fraud with government assistance programs. For certain, some people have and do abuse government assistance programs. You are more subtle than most to make that point that many, especially the TP, would eliminate those programs based on the fact that there is some abuse (just as some rich people cheat on their taxes). You see it on FOX and read it here all the time, good Christians demonizing of the poor as lazy bums, forgetting about how many people are able to survive (like Joe the Plumber) on government assistance until they get their act together.
In any case, I see your point. But the fact is that the NRA fought tooth and nail against the Brady Amendment for seven years before it became law and have fought every other peice of legistlation to restrict any gun ownership. The NRA is partly responsible for the fact that terrorists are advertising the loopholes in our laws. Maybe only 1% of guns used in in crimes were obtained from shows
Report Post »jzs
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 7:12pmMaybe only 1% of guns used in in crimes were obtained from gun shows (although it doesn’t say how many were obtained illegally). But likely close to 100% of terrorists will go to gun shows to buy guns, thanks to the little tip from your friends at Al Qaeda.
In any case, my point is that yes, it’s a hardship when deserving people are denied the help they are eligible for to feed their children. And, it’s a hardship that people end up on a no-fly list because of mix upup. And, I guess your point is that it’s a hardship when people have to clear their names before buying a gun. Fair enough, that’s a trade-off I’ll accept, in both cases.
But why is it the NRA objectedstrenuouslyusly to background checks? Why is it you‘d wouldn’t want to sit next to a person on the no-fly list on a plane, but don’t care if they but 10 automatic weapons? Why is it in Texas you can’t vote without a government issued ID, but you can buy a gun? There are 12 to 14 million guns sold yearly in the US. Why is it the NRA objects to laws based on the exception (somebody might be on a no-fly list by accident), and the TP objects to government assistance based on the exception (somebody might cheat the system)?
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 7:58pm@JZS
I’m not calling to end government assistance just giving you a glimpse from my point of view. I’m for helping those who can’t help themselves but I feel something needs to change. I know a family currently on their fourth generation of govt assistance and housing. It’s terrible. They have most the problems you associate with the poor. They are excited because they have recently had their first member enroll in college. My concern is I see no way to break the cycle but I know habitual welfare is not the answer.
The gun debate is quite simple but often over complicated. They object because the 2nd amendment is an unalienable right. I equate it to the phrase it is better to let 10 guilty men go free then to sentence one innocent man. Another thing is if you are denied a gun you do not get a chance to clear the air.
You asked about 10 auto weapons and I’ll answer with a question. Would you feel safer in the house of a law abiding citizen who owned 1,000 ak’s or in the home of a serial domestic abuser with a baseball bat?
By definition, laws don’t affect criminals, only law abiders. It is naive to think stricter laws will affect those who don’t follow them. The problem is and has always been enforcement of the law. Ever wonder how someone gets 20 separate rape convictions, it boggles the mind? Remember, Gun free zones are the most dangerous place to be.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 8:00pm@ JZS
On a side note, I posted some terrible things about you quite some time ago. I know you have a memory like an elephant so know need to emphasize what I said but I am sorry.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:59pmSpec, you’re one of the good guys, that much I know. There are legitimate differences of opinion between conservatives and liberals based on individual values and what – I’d like to believe – is best for the country and the world, rather than what is best for a given individual. That’s certainly what most people claim to believe outside the Ayn Rand crowd.
On the one hand we in America could have something like the oligarchy in Russia when capitalism was introduced. In Russia, after the Soviet Union collapsed and businesses were privatized, tens, not hundreds, of billionaires emerged who owned the means of production and all the wealth, while the rest of the country was dirt poor and starving or dead from starvation (historians are welcome to correct if I’m wrong). That was pure, Ayn Rand capitalism, something no country will long endure without revolt.
On the other hand there is the absurd, never realized idea of Communism, where everyone is economically equal and there is no extra reward for productivity. No educated person believes that communism is economically viable, that’s is a fact that has been proved over and over (China, Soviet Union). Communism ignores the basic human motivation to be rewarded for effort and is a fantasy. Heaven is supposed to be a communist-like place, with everyone equal, but here on Earth that is fantasy.
The answer is somewhere in between those extremes. And that’s where the debate is.
Report Post »libertymeteor
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 9:43pmRumsfeld is a real patriot….unlike rachel maddow……….MSNBC is a disgrace…..did anyone see their special that they aired in early prime time called ‘days of destruction’……this joke of a journalist rachel maddow hosted a show that pretty much accused the american government of torturing, fraud, you name it……it was a real hit job on our country……on a day when our nation is reminded of the threat of radical islam, this network decides to slam our country.
Report Post »………visit http://www.LibertyMeteor.com to read more about this…….
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JediPatriot
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 9:57pm@libertymeteor, Although I don’t like Maddow and her truth-twisting and sometimes out-right lies, she appears to be right on this one. However, it’s not just your buddy Rummie. The entire government, past and present, including the one in office right now, is guilty of these crimes. If anyone says that they had no idea about it, they are liars (like Eric Holder with Fast and Furious). I’m not attacking our country. Our government is not our country. We the people are. I almost gave my life for this country and I’m not about to let the deception continue to erode our liberties. It is still “We the People.“ Religion was the number 1 cause for war prior to becoming ”civilized”. Radical Islam, radical Christianity, radical Judaism. My religion is freedom. And that could not have been given to us by any man. If we take the God out of our country, then we take those freedoms, that are God-given, away. However, there is the Freedom of Religion.
Report Post »Peace
TheWholeTruth
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 3:17amYou need to open your eyes. They ARE doing all of that. 9/11 is a shame because it was an inside job. Why do I say that with such conviction? Because I have commercial contractors, engineers and such in my family that say there is NO WAY IN HELL those THREE buildings came down by airplane strikes. It is against the laws of physics the things they saw. Their own pictures show one of the steel girders that was left at the base was CUT, there’s **** dripping down the entire clean edge. The central core of the buildings were triple reinforced with steel. The structural steel at the base was massive and though it gets smaller as it goes up due to not needing the strength, the steel would not have given way. The core should have been left since the concrete floors were simply attached, not a solid piece across. It just COULD NOT happen that way. They at the MOST would have leaned and sheered at the strike. The steel would bend from the weight causing the top to lean and fall sideways. Anyway. WAKE UP!
Report Post »TheWholeTruth
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 3:21amOkay Blaze, what’s wrong with the word s l a g?
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 4:04am@Wholetruth….right on
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 5:02am@THEWHOLETRUTH…..I’ve heard it said ” It’s like dropping your pants and your legs disintegrate”.
Report Post »rick4aces
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 8:20pmRandyrocker your a 100% correct, I find it odd that the supposed plane hit the pentagon right where all the computers that track those trillions were……….HMMMMMMMMM
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 9:20pm@rick4aces, Well, all we have to do is look at all of the footage from the pentagon cameras to find out the reason why. What? There is no footage from the one of the worlds most secure and camera-laden building? All we get is camera footage from a gas station across the street? Where’s the proof that it was a plane? Where is the wing damage? The engine damage? Hmm…. Indeed.
Report Post »Peace (and good, intelligent, informational post)
Randyrocker
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 7:45pmDid Donald Rumsfeld also describe where the $2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS disappeared in which he had raised in question just the day before 9/11 on 9/10 2001. Or are reporters and those asking questions either too frightened or too dumb to ask him what happened to the money or even why he raised these concerns just one day before the collapse of the Twin Towers?
Report Post »Well if this insider‘s story and explanation doesn’t do it to you, what more will?
Circulate this far and wide.
http://presstv.com/usdetail/198639.html
jzs
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 8:29pmHere’s Donald Rumsfeld creating and recreating history. He’s on the day of the attack, how he had a hunch something like this would happen, so he’d already taken actions to increase the military budget. What fore sight, what a visionary! And he’s blameless, because he had already taken action against this very thing! Actually of course, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush completely ignored the Clinton warnings they should aggressively pursue Bin Laden. The did exactly nothing in response to Clinton’s warnings.
All this coming from a man who, against the advice of Powell and other advisors kept the US invasion force to a minimum. That worked at first – the government of Iraq was overthrown – but then led to disaster once the government fell. The lack of a stabilizing force lead to the sack of the country, chaos, religious warfare and the death of thousands of US soldiers and tens of thousands Iraqis. Let’s not forget that Rumsfeld was fired when it became obvious to the entire country his policies were failing. He was no Rommel, or Paton or Lincoln that’s for sure, he was a disaster.
BTY, that comment about not going to an “undisclosed location” was a slam against Cheney. I think few of you understand the battle of these guys, nearing the end of their lives, are having to put their actions in a good light.
Report Post »READRIGHTHERE
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 9:05pmAnd heading warnings regarding Osama would have resulted in what? It has taken ten years to root out that slime-wad, and we have regrets about that operation as well. What precautions could we have taken prior to 9/11 that would have affected the day’s events? Hind sight is 20/20 but even with clear vision the reality is their strategy worked that day. They got us. And we have spent the last ten years hunting and eliminating them and their buddies alike and will continue until they are all gone, so that every would be “martyr” might reconsider their foolish ambitions of glory and free harems.
We will never be able to control everything that others choose to do to us, but we can control our respnse. Your vitriol is unnecessary and sadly pathetic.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 9:11pm@READRIGHTHERE, You should read history again. Not only did we make Osama Bin Laden, we own him too. Bin Laden is/was our “scary make everything evil” guy. We created him against the USSR. We have employed him on several occasions to get into other countries that we consider terrorist countries. I for one believe that we should come home and protect what freedoms we have left before we lose all of them. Don’t believe me? Look it up.
Report Post »Peace
Mil Mom
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 9:44pm@jzs
Report Post »Posted on September 11, 2011 at 8:29pm
Here’s Donald Rumsfeld creating and recreating history. He’s on the day of the attack, how he had a hunch something like this would happen, so he’d already taken actions to increase the military budget. What fore sight, what a visionary! And he’s blameless, because he had already taken action against this very thing! Actually of course, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush completely ignored the Clinton warnings they should aggressively pursue Bin Laden. The did exactly nothing in response to Clinton’s warnings.
***
Is this the same Clinton who when offered Bin Laden said we had no legal standing to prosecute him so we tried to get____ to take him but they wouldn’t?
Yep, good thing Clinton warned Bush about him or he might actually have prosecuted the guy or arrested him, then Clinton couldn‘t have complained he wouldn’t heed his warnings?
jzs
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 10:01pmMil Mom, you’ll have to quote a source on that to be taken seriously. I challenge you to do so. That didn’t happen. I won’t call you a “liar”, but I will challenge you for claiming as fact something you heard from the bartender.
At least Clinton tried – he followed up on his best lead with cruise missles, which reportedly just mist Bin Laden. At least he tried.
Don’t post unsupported nonsense on this website please Mil Mom. Just quote your source. But I know you can’t, because you simply made it up out of thin air.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 11:56pm@JZS
9/11 happened before the liberally imposed three year grace period. Blame for failures or bad decisions during that time frame should be placed squarely at the feet of his predecessor.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 12:08am@JZS
You also said “But, like Sarah Palin, I don‘t think you have an opinion except the coward’s position of being a backseat driver with only criticism without ideas of your own. No wonder you are where you”
I would like to emphasize the “without ideas of your own” part of your quote. As you know, I’ve been asking the following question for several months now with no response. This seems like another opportunity for me to ask you what liberal ideas have you implemented in your personal life and reaped the benefits. I would like personal examples from your life if any exist. As always, I will assume no response means you didn’t read this post, not that you’re ducking the question.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 12:16am@JZS – Not trying to overload you on this post but conversations are being deleted.
Let me pre-apologize if these posts are from someone pretending to be JZS
JZS, YOU SAID “The NRA actively supports the right of anyone, including terrorists to buy all the weapons needed to slaughter innocent Americans, all in the name of freedom.”
RIGHT BEFORE SAYING…
“you’ll have to quote a source on that to be taken seriously”
“I will challenge you for claiming as fact something you heard from the bartender”
“Don’t post unsupported nonsense on this website… quote your source”
“But I know you can’t, because you simply made it up out of thin air”
“pathetic is that you feel like you’re in an environment that any ludicrous comment you make…will be applauded and accepted as truth”
“it’s not acceptable to simply make up any kindnonsenseence… and think it will stick”
“your a product of this website, where any idiotic comment is accepted”
So I ask, please hold yourself to your set standards and produce a source on your NRA statement, so I can cancel my membership.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:40amHey Speckchaser,
All three of these posts are great, but that first one is PURE GOLD. $1858.00 an ounce gold.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:02pmSPECKCHASER, I think I answered another post in the wrong place but it’s up there somewhere. With regard to responsibility for 9/11, I think I understand the conservative line. Yes, 9-11 happened on Bush’s watch, but it‘s Clinton’s fault.
The countries debt ballooned after two large tax cuts, an unfunded Medicair program and two wars started by Bush. And then economy collapsed in a way unrivaled since the Great Depression. The world economy didn’t recover for 10 years following the Great Depression. Ten years. And the weird thing is, that the right wants to pursue the exact same policies as Bush followed, which I think is the definition of insanity.
So, although Billy – who was probably the guy that hacked my account – thinks your remark is cute, I’m not too impressed.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 2:20pmHey JZS,
Do you think the Fannie / Freddie / Barney / Bubble thing had anything to do with the collapse?
And, you can criticize me all you want, I would expect nothing less, but please refrain from the
Report Post »false accusations.
SpeckChaser
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 6:52pm@Billy
Don’t go complicating the issues with facts or anything.
Thanks for the kind words.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 7:17pmYou’re welcome Speckchaser, but no thanks are needed.
I just like to acknowledge greatness when it presents itself.
I laughed for a good while from that post. And we sure some laughter now and then.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 6:56pmIf you believe that this man, and other men like him, had nothing to do with 9-11 and the attacks on our own people, than you are drunk on an illusion. We need to ask more questions instead of believing a government, democrat and republican, that would kill their own people. “Where is the truth?” you ask. The truth lies in the past. Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen. How many brave soldiers and innocent civilians died in world war 2. Sure, Hitler was “the devil”, but we could have found another reason. There were plenty. But we can only enter a war, according to the Constitution, if we are in immediate danger or attacked. The Gulf of Tonkin was a lie. It never happened. How many more brave (and drafted) soldiers were killed in that war? When will you people wake up to the fact that you federal government, past and present, will lie to you to get what they want?
Report Post »Peace
MODEL82A1
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 7:10pmIf you believe that and continue to live in the USA, then you are a
Report Post »Fool, Squared.
JediPatriot
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 7:18pmSo, because I believe in the truth, I am a fool? Did you know, that your government wanted to dress Navy SEALS up in Iranian uniforms and have those SEALS attack U.S. sailors in order to have a reason to go to war with Iran? Golf of Tonkin. If you think Rummie or Cheney weren’t involved with that, perhaps you should look at the president’s staff. Look with your own eyes, not theirs. They lie, they cheat, they steal. And when they can’t get what they want, they murder.
Report Post »Peace
MODEL82A1
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 7:25pmWas I not clear? You are a fool.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 7:28pmI give you the truth (with example), and all you can give me is name calling. Truly, who is the fool?
Report Post »Peace
Seede
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 7:40pmAsk Rummy what happened to two trillion bucks that his watch can’t account for –
Report Post »Here is a drop in the bucket–
Spent & Approved War-Spending – About $900 billion of US taxpayers’ funds spent or approved for spending through November 2010.
Lost & Unaccounted for in Iraq – $9 billion of US taxpayers’ money and $549.7 milion in spare parts shipped in 2004 to US contractors. Also, per ABC News, 190,000 guns, including 110,000 AK-47 rifles.
Lost and Reported Stolen – $6.6 billion of U.S. taxpayers’ money earmarked for Iraq reconstruction, reported on June 14, 2011 by Special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction Stuart Bowen who called it “the largest theft of funds in national history.” (Source – CBS News) Last known holder of the $6.6 billion lost: the U.S. government.
Missing – $1 billion in tractor trailers, tank recovery vehicles, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and other equipment and services provided to the Iraqi security forces. (Per CBS News on Dec 6, 2007.)
Mismanaged & Wasted in Iraq – $10 billion, per Feb 2007 Congressional hearings
Halliburton Overcharges Classified by the Pentagon as Unreasonable and Unsupported – $1.4 billion
Amount paid to KBR, a former Halliburton division, to supply U.S. military in Iraq with food, fuel, housing and other items – $20 billion
Portion of the $20 billion paid to KBR that Pentagon auditors deem “questionable or supportable” – $3.2 billion
YepImaConservative
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 7:42pmSomeone has played a Jedi Mind Trick on you JEDIPATRIOT or were you just dropped on your head as a baby. Either way… may the force be with you if that helps.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 8:09pmYepImaConservative, Even you only attack me. Facts. I give you facts and you respond out of fear (or ignorance) by trying to make fun of me. I’m sorry. I’m not your enemy. Read the facts. Look them up for yourself. I’d leave you links, but every time I do, this site refuses to post my response. So wake up, get up, and go look. It’s all right there in front of you. Grab your potato chips and your kool-aid. Start reading.
Report Post »Peace.
YepImaConservative
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 8:37pmYou’re right JEDI… I retract the “dropped on your head as a baby” comment, but I will reiterate the Jedi Mind Trick assumption. I will also agree with you that some “lie, cheat and steal” as you put it.
All better now?
Report Post »READRIGHTHERE
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 8:55pm@ JEDIPATRIOT
You need a long term and expensive relationship with a professional psychologist, topic of 1st discussion: “Why do I need to cling to the image of a United States of America that is capable of controlling all outcomes in our engagement with enemies foreign and domestic, is it because I cannot handle the randomness of the 9/11 events and my own fears of being victimized in a similar manner?” You may also want to reduce your marijuana intake. Dude, no matter what your friends say, it is never 4:20 where you are again.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 9:07pm@YepImaConservative, Go look for the truth. It’s out there.
@READRIGHTHERE, I noticed that you, like the others who defend the government’s story of 9-11, have nothing to share other than insults. FYI I don’t do drugs. I’ve been “drug-less” since I joined the Military in 1993. 9-11 was so random, that we were conducting an exercise on the very same subject on the very same day. The TV show “The Lone Gunmen” had an episode about it just months before it happened. Operation Able Danger. Ever hear of it? Look it up. Quit attacking me with petty insults and go out there and investigate. The mass media isn’t doing it for you. Neither is the government.
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Mil Mom
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 9:50pmKool Aid’s extra strong tonight, Right?
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 10:00pm@Mil Mom, Indeed, Mom. Indeed.
Report Post »Peace
jakartaman
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 6:40pmHe is a mans man and not a liberal metroman.
Report Post »Thank God this team was in place during and post 9/11
I can’t imagine if it actually took place now with this 3rd rate amateur administration what would happen!
Thanks Rummy for your decades of strong service
tower7femacamp
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 6:52pmhas he remembered wtc tower 7 yet ?
Report Post »escape_from_socialism
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 8:15pmnope, rummy don’t remember tower 7 at all. I wonder is he is aware when, and why they rebuild it.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 9:14pm@escape_from_socialism, They already rebuilt tower 7. 2006.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 10:03pm@jakartaman
Report Post »Posted on September 11, 2011 at 6:40pm
He is a mans man and not a liberal metroman.
Thank God this team was in place during and post 9/11
I can’t imagine if it actually took place now with this 3rd rate amateur administration what would happen!
Thanks Rummy for your decades of strong service
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Compare the attacks on our shore and our response and relative safety since, with the wiki leads revealing our National Security Secrets and Hillary’s comments, “We don’t like it, but there’s not much we can do about it! ” Is our nation safer today than it was in 2003 when most nations at least offered to help descreetly by permitting us to use air space, or freezing terrorists funds. Today even France has said they probably can’t count on the US if attacked.
Our friends and allies, doubt our commitment and our enemies openly laugh at our weakness.
Essa
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 6:23pmWhere are the men like this one. Not in our gov
Report Post »Nlitend1
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 6:45pmHe’s an interesting guy…went to Princeton on academic scholarship but has held anti-academic views like so many other conservatives. He also was a sponsor of the freedom of information act, but pushed hard for the patriot act and worked in the least transparent presidential administration in american history. He has a few other conflicting/hypocritical beliefs/acts but generally, he seems to be a common sense guy who made tough decisions when they were called for. too bad he was wrong a bit too often
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 10:30pmIn prison
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 10:38pmJust kiddin people
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 4:09amNot
Report Post »neverending
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 6:22pmThank GOD they never had to shoot down any planes. I just can’t even begin to imagine what it must have been like to not only be there but make instantaneous decisions. It is just like it all happened just yesterday. I also thank GOD that we had President Bush at such a time as that as I truly believe things would have been even more horrific had we not had a leader like him. This just reminds us that cooler, more mature and more experienced people need to be leading this country. I hope I am 100% wrong but I believe it is not IF but WHEN this will happen to us again and GOD help us all if it does because seems there are far more enemies dwelling among us now then ever before.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 6:11pmI’m a Bush guy, a Cheney guy, but thought Rummy to be a double talking A-hole type of guy.
Report Post »jeffyfreezone
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 6:31pmI’m a Rummy fan. His book was GREAT! Did you know ALL the proceeds are going to the military? He is a great American who has served this country faithfully his entire adult life! Because of him I found the book Horse Soldiers, one of the best I’ve read this year. I thank God for men like Rummy.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 6:58pmAll that’s well and good JEFFY. As a retired member of the US Military (Army), I am sensitive to how Rummy ignored many Military experts in the prosecution of the war in Iraq. there are boat loads of Generals/Colonels on down who would agree with me. Even Dick Cheney had a major problem with this guy and his know-it-all arrogance and failure to admits his wrongs Militarily.
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