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S.E. Cupp Responds to Olbermann Tweets: He‘s ’Misogynistic‘ and Has ’Huge Problems With Women’

S.E. Cupp appeared on Glenn Beck‘s radio show today and offered her first response since Keith Olbermann tweeted that she’s an example of the “necessity” of Planned Parenthood, essentially wishing she had never been born. According to her, this is just one more example of Olbermann’s misogyny.

(Read Olbermann’s initial tweets.)

“No one is going to be surprised to learn that Keith Olbermann is incredibly misogynistic and has huge problems with women,” Cupp told co-hosts Pat and Stu who were filling in for Beck. She also chastised Olbermann for using abortion as a “cheap punch line,“ and accused him of hypocrisy after calling for tolerance and then going on to ”spew that kind of vile in a public forum.”

Olbermann’s initial comment was in response to Cupp coming out against public funding for Planned Parenthood earlier in the week.

“I didn’t find it very funny,” Cupp said, before explaining, “You never get used to someone wishing you were dead.”

Olbermann wrote a blog post yesterday in response to the controversy. In it, he accused Cupp of perpetuating “the lie that Planned Parenthood does nothing but conduct abortions.” But as Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher pointed out in the comments section of that post, that’s not true at all:

However, your assertion that “One of their stooges (SE Cupp) goes on and perpetuates the lie that Planned Parenthood does nothing but conduct abortions” isn’t actually true, either. I’ve read the transcript you tweeted, and watched the video, and Cupp does no such thing. In fact, when Behar points out that PP does cervical cancer screenings, Cupp replies “You`re right. They do.”

The worst thing she says about Planned Parenthood, throughout the entire clip, is “I don`t believe in what they believe in. I don`t want to have to pay for it.”

The crew over at Fox News’s “Red Eye” tackled the controversy in a humorous way. You can watch that here.

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  • miles from nowhere
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:36pm

    Well, now we know what is wrong with this fruitcake, nobody likes fruitcake.

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    • Jabber
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 5:09pm

      Rofl!!

      And yet it keeps turning up year after year…..regifted from one network to another….because no one wants to keep it around for long….

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  • nappy
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:35pm

    Folks.. you’re doing what the left does when anyone complains about Obama. They call him racist.

    Cupp, as far as I am concerned, is indeed an empty suit. I haven’t seen any real substance from her. In a way this is sad that so much energy is being spent on two people who are rather meaningless.

    But to start whining about Olberman’s misogyny instead of just stating the facts is pretty poor form.

    Olberman is a dog. He’s an P.O.S. Whatever. But let’s just stick to the facts and not resort to such silly bantering. Prove he’s wrong and leave it at that. Unless you prefer to be called racists for your opposition to Obama.

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  • bjt141
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:33pm

    As a liberal I think what he said he pretty absurd. I actually like S.E. Cupp. You all seem to think Olbermann is somehow different from Beck though. They are both absurd. They both started out relatively tame and saw that there was big money is getting ridiculous and making outlandish statements. All of the major news channels are full of “turds” as one person put it. In my personal opinion I would be happy is MSNBC, CNN, and FOX were all shut down. Maybe people would learn to think for themselves again.

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    • UpstateNYConservative
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 1:18pm

      There goes that moral relativism crap again. If Beck said something outlandish, and Olbie said something outlandish, well…they’re the same! So we have ‘no right’ to complain about Olbie.

      Bullsnot! The devil is in the details.

      Olbie regularly goes on rants against women, including Hillary. He once said he’d like seeing her taken into a room by a man, and only the man walks out.

      Beck never said something like that of which I’m aware.

      Olbie on Michelle Malkin: “…a mashed up bag of meat wearing lipstick…”

      Beck never called Rachael Maddow anything like that, of which I’m aware.

      Need I go on?

      BTW–the subject of the thread is Olbermann and Cupp, not Beck. It‘s totally disingenuous to pull Glenn’s name into EVERY defense the Left tries making here. And I don’t care that Glenn owns this site, BTW. The liberal tactic of relativism doesn’t work well here, for simple fact we Cons on this site, overall, DO think for ourselves.

      What will the Left do next–being relative and all–justify Obama’s bombing of Libya because Nixon bombed Cambodia in 1970?

      Pfft!

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 1:56pm

      @ UPSTATENYCONSERVATIVE:

      Progressives pulling Glenn into every discourse here is like blaming Bush for everything that has occurred in the last two years. They have to “assign blame” and of course it’s not one of them, they’re so “sensible and considerate”–like an evil spirit!

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    • bjt141
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 3:50pm

      you two are kidding me right, sorry but this is a website started by Glenn Beck, frequented by Glenn Beck loyalists. Don’t really understand how bringing up Glenn Beck is so out of bounds. This isn’t a news site, it’s a site for propaganda from Glenn Beck and people that work for Glenn Beck. If you think otherwise you really need to take a look at yourself in the mirror. This site is basically a copy of the Huffington Post but to the extreme (Daily Caller is closer in terms of fairness to the Huffington Post even though they are both skewed). There is a reason that we constantly see stories about Piven and Soros on here, it‘s because it’s what Glenn Beck talks about. The S.E. Cupp thing is a huge story on here because she works with Glenn Beck now. I don‘t understand why you people don’t realize how much you are being brainwashed to think what he thinks. I THINK OLBERMANN IS ABSURD as stated before. I was simply comparing the two because I guarantee 95% of the people who frequent this website think Olbermann is terrible and Glenn Beck is a saint even though they are pretty similar. I will even give you that Olbermann name calls and stuff a lot more. But you know what, Olbermann also shows a lot more facts and doesn’t call himself an “entertainer”. I have also seen Olbermann talk with people of the opposite viewpoint. GLENN BECK WILL NEVER TALK TO ANYONE WHO WILL TRY TO PROVE HIM WRONG. There is a reason for this. If he is so confident that everything he says is correct, then why doesn’t he ever have a debate. Bill O’Reilly, Hannity, Olbermann, Maddow, all of them will at least talk once in a while to someone of the opposite view. They both however started out tame and have gotten progressively worse the more they see they can get rich off of it.

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  • matinva
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:32pm

    What really surprises no one is that Keith Olbermann continues to stick both feet in his mouth every time he opens it. It’s just typical of elitists like Olbermann to render judgment and issue comments about the statements of others without actually reading the statements in their entirety. He is just an obtusely hateful creep who actually thinks he’s scoring some kind of point with his crap.

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  • BubbaT
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:28pm

    Olbermann is an immature turd and a huge hypocrite but then he’s a Democrat pos. Stands to reason.

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  • coffeeking425
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:28pm

    I have nothing but good things to say about Cupp. Definitely a rising star in my mind.

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    • decendentof56
      Posted on April 16, 2011 at 12:34pm

      The issue, I thought, was should the taxpayers pay for an individuals abortion. S E is right that they should not. Individuals should be responsible for not getting pregnant. There are ways to do that. If you believe that we should fund abortion, then you believe in large government. Our government has few rights as defined in our Constitution. Look it up.

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  • The Gooch
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:26pm

    Ah, the enlightened and measured utterances of liberal talking heads. Isn’t it a bit telling that the self-professed champions of free speech, free thought, and human well-being tend to want to dismiss opposition by killing the messenger… and whoever else gets in the way of their utopian society? It is to laugh. A general review of nuts who make the news (e.g., Loughner, Windels, Barnette) indicates the left does not play well with others. That‘s not to say the right doesn’t have it’s share of goons and goofs, but there appears to be a disparity in activity and general venom.
    Way to go, Keith! You are just reaffirming what many of us already knew: Liberals believe their sacred cows and emotions excuse any reprehensible act. Hell, you’re not just a misogynist; you’re a full blown misanthrope. That seems to be liberal trademark: Save mankind from itself… by killing off those you deem unworthy, limiting choice in all matters (except, of course, killing the unwanted) and keeping people in fear of govt.
    I will never understand the embrace of liberalism by people who assert the believe in freedom and open and honest discourse. That’s not what liberalism promotes in my experience. You’re just another generic specimen of the liberal creature, Keith.

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  • theduchessofkitty
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:22pm

    You’re absolutely right, Woman!

    KO has some serious issues in regards to women. In fact, it is already public knowledge that at least one woman who has had a date with him thinks he’s a pathetic creep.

    Wishing someone was never born is an insult that goes to the core of a person’s humanity. He has committed a cardinal offense, and he should be publicly and irreparably shamed for that.

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  • Hickory
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:17pm

    It’s obvious, the best part of Olbermann ran down his father’s leg.

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  • sooner12
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:16pm

    hahahahahahahahahahaha

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  • ilovetheusa1
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:03pm

    S.E. big Cupps has so much more class than Olberdork. She can tear him up in a debate.

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  • Fight for America
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:59am

    Keith O. =’s juvenile, brat who thinks he‘s God and you’re not.

    His jerk comments are intentional – he wants attention.

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  • AmbroseTurdside
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:56am

    S.E. and I should have a ton of little turdsides.

    -Turd

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  • sonofoursigners
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:55am

    Funny how Olbermann/the left will tell you exactly what PP is all about when they are trying to offend the other side of the debate.

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  • sonofoursigners
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:52am

    Abortions should be performed in a hospital. Not in one of their freak rooms. We shouldn’t, that is more than half the country, have to pay one cent for their practices. Tell PP to get rid of the abortion services or give up your funding.

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  • NHwinter
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:52am

    I’m so tired of the misinformation and hate speech from the left/liberal/progressive/socialists including Obama. Also calling the conservatives violent, etc. All you have to do is watch them to see what they are doing. It is exactly what they accuse us of doing. Will it continue to work for them? I pray not, and come 2012 I hope they all crawl back into their holes.

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  • alr79
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:48am

    She is still freaking hot!!!!!!!! I love her and do’t even know her. lol

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  • NickDeringer
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:43am

    S. E. is a class act. Sorry, but she has way more brain power than Pat and Stu put together. She handled this with grace and courage. Olbermann doesn’t deserve the attention he gets and all he does is dumb down the national debate.

    S.E.: “It would be nice if we could have a serious discussion about the issues.”

    Amen!

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  • workin4alivin
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:42am

    He‘ still suckling his mama’s teat… like most libs-not ready for real food.

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    • Jabber
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 7:00pm

      Oh please…..stopppppppppppppppp!!! THAT is an image I’m going to spend DAYS scrubbing out of my head thank you very much! Ack. PLech.

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  • ProudConservative1
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:40am

    Stay STRONG, S.E.!

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  • rightwingheroes
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:40am

    hope and change

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  • lynnissmart
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:38am

    I think Olbermann needs to jump off a bridge.

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    • Jabber
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 5:08pm

      And contaminate a water supply? Or force someone to scrape THAT off the ground? Shame on you…

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  • BIGJAYINPA
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:37am

    I am sure that Sloberman has “big” trouble with real women. He always struck me as the type that had to blow up his date beforehand. A real woman with a real brain and the ability to form cogent rationale thought and not just regurgitate scripted talking points probably scares the snot out of him.

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  • Florida_Freedom_Fighter
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:36am

    This is what hypocrisy looks like……

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    • Mhockey1505
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:43am

      Show me what hypocracy looks like

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    • axel@25
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:58am

      look in the mirror

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:35pm

      IF Olbermann actually believes what he is saying, then it does not meet the definition of hypocricy. It qualifies then as hatered and hate speech, bordering on the line of actual threats and intimidation.

      By the standards of anyone with the least bit of sanity (there goes most of DC and also the extreme fringe like Olberman), it is sheer insanity, hate filled vitreolic, and hypocrisy to the decency of life and love shared for one another.

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  • ozchambers
    Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:35am

    More hate speak from the right wing nuts! ;-p

    (it’s sarcasm, folks)

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    • Revere1
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:37am

      There are plenty of misogynist liberals. But the liberal feminists always cover for them because they’re in lockstep with the rest of the Democratic party: http://www.battlefield315.com/2011/02/feminism-explained.html

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    • CatB
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:39am

      Yes .. she‘s got little Keithy’s number!

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    • Showtime
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:59am

      I WISH the leftists could just GET OVER their plaground mentality and have some mature thoughts. If all they have is inane, they would do better to just leave their lips closed and their tweets untwittered. That’s just my opinion. I am so tired of the sniping from the leftists! It is not “how to win friends and influence people.” They do not ever pay even one compliment, acknowledge what we are trying to do, or listen to what is being said.

      Reminds me of my first husband’s first wife: “It’s MY WAY or NOT AT ALL!” Well, leftists, you are not the ONLY ones in America. If you don’t like it here, go to where the climate is REALLY hot!

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    • democratgirl
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:10pm

      I used to be one of those FEMINISTS and I can truthfully tell you, IT’S A LIE OF THE DEVIL. IF you are a Godly woman, who believes in God, the Bible, and all things moral and good, you will recognize that FEMINISM is a lie of the left and of the devil. WHY? Because feminism tears down the family and its values. I used to be a member of NOW and all I can say is I AM NOW ASHAMED TO TELL ANYONE THAT. Most of them are immoral (you figure that one out).

      ChildOfTheKing  
    • I Love Section 8 Housing
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:10pm

      man, she’s SUPER HOT for a total moron. She’s probably the HOTTEST idiot on earth. She’s like Sarah Palin except younger and hotter but just as dumb.

      Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American  
    • the_zazzy
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:14pm

      Keith just has a crush on S.E. He probably wants to pinch her and pull her hair to make her think he doesn’t like her. They are so cute at that age!

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    • abc
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:16pm

      I really wish someone could articulate for me Cupp’s argument for why promotion of female health is not a function that rightfully should include the use of public funds. It’s soooo fun watching famous pundits throw barbs at one another, and the Blaze is always dutiful in posting these spats on its site to boost ratings, but they are just reflecting what their audience wants. It’s capitalism.

      But what is sad is that everyone here knows who wins American Idol and who was involved in a verbal throw-down with whom and what crazy thing Donald Trump or Charlie Sheen said this week, but few know what the SUBSTANCE of S.E. Cupp’s argument was and whether it is factually accurate and logically sound.

      I’ll wait for someone to respond and clearly and accurately state what Cupp actually said, why it does or doesn’t make sense, and what the implications are for the debate. I know that such a discourse is really rather boring and doesn’t attract the ratings necessary to fire up 24-7 cable news or political blogs on either the right or the left, but it IS important to making policy in a democracy. People here complain constantly about their government, not realizing that their government is kind of like their home’s interior. You only have as much order as you have invested in. And since the voters are clueless and focused on the wrong things, so is their government.

      I won’t hold my breath, but I am hoping some well-informed voters can post something intelligible here…

       
    • True2The_Word
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:25pm

      So once again commentator (Olbermann) can spew the hate and deception that he chooses without Fact one. We need to find a way to hold “those who intentionally miss-lead the public” legally accountable. I don’t know where the right to “LIE” is protected by Free speech Laws. If there were a way to deter the spreading of false-statements and out-right lies, Free speech would come closer to the truth. If there was a $1000 fine for each first incident we could make a big dent in our national debt. In a case like this one, where it is all on record, it would take very little adjudication. For each repeat offense the fine goes up by a factor of 10. After the 3rd offense the offender can no longer use the public-airwaves. So we get truth or silence. I’m just saying…

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    • J.C. McGlynn
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:27pm

      To all of those who believe that Planned Parenthood needs to be tax-payer funded are admitting that the “Affordable Healthcare Act” aka “ObamaCare” are will NOT work by the simple reason that women will not be able to get any kind of healthcare unless they go to PP.

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    • SavingtheRepublic.com
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:27pm

      Haha SE Cupp calling Keithy out! Ya know Ive always wondered about him, always got the impression he “played on the other team”!

      SavingtheRepublic.com  
    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:30pm

      Olbermann is a perfect example of what is WRONG with the talking heads of the left; I will respect his right to freedom of speech and expression, yet the fact simply is that there is a line where one’s own commentary reaches into threats and actions, he is at the line and crossing over it.

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    • ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:31pm

      Seriously. Who is S.E. Cupp? (And what her sister’s name? Sippy Cupp?)

      I got a million of ‘em, folks!

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:40pm

      Anyone seen any pictures of Olby with a woman? Not just standing next to, but actually close, as in holding hands or arm in arm.

      Anonymous T. Irrelevant  
    • UpstateNYConservative
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:43pm

      @abc

      In a nutshell, Planned Parenthood is a billion-dollar-a-year corporation. Isn‘t it ’corporate welfare’ to give a private entity public funds? I believe PP is filed as a a ‘non-profit’, which limits any tax liability if not outright eliminates it. Thirty-four percent of their income is from the Federal Government. Since the budget battle started, private donations to PP have increased. Imagine if any bank got 34% of its income from We the People. You can bet we TEAs would be joining the Left in our outrage. (well, I would be, at any rate)

      This isn’t PP getting a tax break. This is PP getting direct government handouts.

      There are plenty of clinics belonging to state and local governments that provide even more than PP does, at minimal to no cost for the poor. Some hospitals also provide free services, with further access to various charities that will pay if the patient can’t.

      In sum, PP is a privately-own corporate money pit that fills no gaps.

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:44pm

      @True2The_Word
      You’d break Obama, but then again, he would probably pay with public funds :-)

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    • Professional Infidel
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:50pm

      Keith?? more like “Buckteeth”

       
    • SmokinBugsy
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:50pm

      I have a HUGE problem with S.E. Cupp………..problem is, she is not my girlfriend.

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    • mrlogan3
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 12:52pm

      It’s never a good thing when you have to say when your being sarcastic.

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    • GETLIFE
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 1:29pm

      “Female health” is just another piece of progressive poetry. Subsidize the care related to the female reproductive system, and you can nudge around all sorts of things.

      “Female health” as opposed to …”health?”
      Why should the government subsidize “female health” and not all kinds of health?……oh, yeah, they’re trying to do that…. subsidize health and nudge around–gee… a whole lot of stuff.

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    • gotta light
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 2:07pm

      AS A CONSERVATIVE GAY MAN I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT KEITH WAS GAY…. AND HE GIVES ALL GAY MEN A BAD NAME. TELL ME HE DOESN’T GOT THE “I‘M LIVING IN MOM’S BASEMENT WITH A PET CAT” VIBE GOING….

      hey bug gotta light?

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    • abc
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 2:15pm

      Upstate,

      That is very helpful. I now understand your position.

      Two questions:

      1. which corporate welfare is worse? the one that goes to non-profits or the one that goes to for-profit companies? many view the significant tax breaks and bailouts given to private companies, with dollar figures that are orders of magnitude larger than PP’s federal funding, as corporate welfare. do you agree? and does this bother you more or less than PP funding?

      2. are you also bothered by the hundreds of millions that go to non-profit churches to supply charity to people? Bush’s faith-based programs are identical to Nixon’s decision to fund PP, so are you equally appalled by this?

      Also, can you definitively say that the money to PP wouldn‘t be needed by other entities and shifted there if PP didn’t get those funds? Just curious.

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    • SLAPTHELEFT
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 2:16pm

      @ABC

      Her I’ll make it easy for you, you little lefty scumbag.

      What the beautiful and brilliant Ms. Cup meant was that if Obama can be projected to raise a billion dollars for re-election and most of the donations come from babykillers, then why dont you scumbags fund planned parenthood out of your own pockets? Oh I forgot, you libs are the greediest damn people alive when it comes to your own money. Since obviously we on the right cant convince you scumbag hippies that murdering the unborn is wrong, we have now decided that you can pay for your own pet projects. The murder of these infants will be between you and God and dont forget that.

      And FYI, just to let you little a-holes know how we Conservatives spread the wealth, check out Rush’s money bomb for blood cancer research- he started by giving, yes giving, as in charity, 500k followed by Trumps 100k. How much of your hard earned money did you donate to charity you little filthy communist hippie?

      So theres the clearest way to answer your question. now grow up, be an adult, and pay your own way. We dont want to pay for your sex or your birthcontrol abortions anymore. And God is watching you as you fight for legalized murder. Punk.

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 2:37pm

      @ABC

      Hi, ABC.

      Regarding your beliefs: Humans have intrinsic value, just as they have intrinsic rights. It is not your right to force me to work for you. Is it?

      If you come to my home, can you compel me to let you sleep on my couch? You have value, don’t you? If you were cold, hungry, and without money, it would be the moral thing to do, wouldn’t it? Should I be legally obligated to allow you to sleep in my home whenever your needs arise?

      Now, try applying this same logic elsewhere in your life. If we are free citizens, we must be free to refuse to help someone else. We must be free to NOT work for someone else. We must be free to refuse to pay for someone else.

      I think many young people today assume freedom is freedom from want. True freedom begins with the “freedom not to participate”. This derives from property rights. If I truely own my property, then nothing in the world can take it from me. Thus, income taxes and property taxes are antithetical to freedom. Our freedoms were eroded when we allowed the government to collect those taxes.

      You could make the argument that I still have to pay taxes for things other people use. Only if I want to use them, too. If I want to drive, I need a license, and plates and tags. That’s how you catch my money for public roads. That way, I’m free not to participate. If I don’t want to pay for roads, I choose not to drive. Simple.

      Otherwise, you are on the fast track to Fascism. Congratulations.

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    • UpstateNYConservative
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 2:39pm

      @abc
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 2:15pm

      To answer your questions:

      1. I oppose, as a matter of personal Conservative principle, all corporate welfare (a plain old handout); let the free market decide. I have no problem with tax breaks and lower taxes in general, and loans to a business on a per-case basis. I recall the stink back around 1980 when Chrysler got a paltry(?) billion dollar loan to stay afloat. Lee Iacocca repaid that loan plus interest in a year or two.

      2. For faith-based programs, I think of JFK’s Inaugural Address: “…On earth, God’s work must truly be our own…” That means that churches and such charities need to go out and do the leg work, not sit back and have government give them money when an atheist, let’s say, doesn’t like that. It’s the same as we who oppose abortion dislike having our tax dollars paying for it to a private corporation of any stripe. I do not believe, again as a matter of personal Conservative conviction, government should be doling out cash to private entities beyond the scope of the Constitution.

      No one can definitively say anything, really. Times change and so do needs. You know that already, I imagine. What I would tend to believe is that, someone somewhere, would push for those funds not allocated to PP to go to similar services provided by state and local governments. I can see, for argument’s sake, Schumer saying, “Well, if we de-fund Planned Parenthood, lets transfer some of that money to this county clinic in Erie County to take up the slack.”

      I would find that preferable, because that county clinic helps the greatest number of people, men and women. Which, if we’re going that route, is more a legitimate government function than doling out cash to a rich private corporation.

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    • RJO
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 2:39pm

      @

      ozchambers
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 11:35am

      More hate speak from the right wing nuts! ;-p

      (it’s sarcasm, folks)

      ******Oh really? Not. This dultz hides his verified, pure hatred of individuals and groups who don’t drink the OverBiteMe kool-aid, within his “diagnosed” sarcasm.

      You have no clue…..

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    • abc
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 2:43pm

      Slap,

      Why am I a scumbag, hippie, or punk? Why do you assume that the Obama campaign funds come largely from abortion mongers? And why do you call abortion murder when the Supreme Court said it most definitely is not?

      I am merely asking questions that any intelligent person on the right ought to be able to answer. Your hostility is rather strange, since you do not even know what my personal stance on abortion actually is…

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    • abc
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 2:47pm

      Jaycen,

      There are positive and negative freedoms and it is hard to demand the latter without the former. And a great many philosophers have debated the right mix of each without calling someone with an alternative view a fascist.

      You are right that negative freedoms demand that others cannot compel me to do something. These are the classic freedoms from. Yet no one really believes that they can construct society with only these. You have to pay for roads even if you personally think that they are being placed in an unnecessary location. But the thinking is that there are also positive freedoms (freedom to) that are important and which cause us to give up some of the negative freedom. I am compelled to tell the government of an insider trading violation even if I am not guilty so that the market remains efficient. And there are millions of examples like this. If the freedom to enjoy our life requires a minimum safety net and we decide collectively that this includes public funding for women’s health, this hardly qualifies us to be grouped with Hitler. Get real.

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    • RJGUSA
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 2:57pm

      I love S.E. Cupp..She’s Hot & Conservative (politically) lol…Wonder if she has sister’s D.D. Cupp & C. Cupp..bet they’d be as hot. She needs to marry me & I‘ll kick Keith Blowbermann’s Bum all the way back to PMSNBC so he can be with his Tranny GF, MaddCow.

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    • RJO
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 2:59pm

      @

      abc
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 2:43pm

      Slap,

      Why am I a scumbag, hippie, or punk? Why do you assume that the Obama campaign funds come largely from abortion mongers? And why do you call abortion murder when the Supreme Court said it most definitely is not?

      I am merely asking questions that any intelligent person on the right ought to be able to answer. Your hostility is rather strange, since you do not even know what my personal stance on abortion actually is…

      ***************HE’S BACK boys and girls………the arrogant, pompous twit – just can’t stay away with the condenscending crap that this Liberl/Progressive/Marxist spews. How are “things” at Media Matters. ABC is on Georgie Porgie’s payroll to attack sites like this. Consider the source of comments…….the “ABC” source reeks. I’m sure we will be graced with a witty-high brow (yeah right) rebuttal……

      Pompous Twit!

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    • RJO
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 3:07pm

      Not sure how this site can transfer copy and misspell wording…………for that……thumbs down. However………the content of my last posting concerning “ABC” stands and is re-enforced with the knowledge that self-imagined “eggheads” like ABC are a dime a dozen….although they see themselves much differently………talking down to the ignorant….condescending in their attempts to help us appreciate the kool-aid.

      This may come as a shock blow-hard….but lengthy, dull, propaganda that produces 25 paragraphs is both ineffective and reeks of the POMPOUS self-perception that you neglect to understand or suppress.

      Try the Huff Post………and say “HEY” to the gang at Media Matters for us!!!

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    • exdem
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 3:28pm

      Dumb people live in section 8 housing.
      That makes you dumb, not Cupp and Palin.

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    • UpstateNYConservative
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 3:35pm

      @ABC

      One thing I forgot: It’s also a matter of numbers to me. PP gets $350 million a year. If we took that cash and divvied it up in $1 million block grants to similar government clinics, that’s 350 neighborhoods helped out instead of this one rich private enterprise. Spread a little thinner at $500K, and 700 clinics nationwide can do a little more.

      Just an idea…

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    • exdem
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 3:35pm

      Wishing people dead (while killing millions of babies through PP) is the lefts version of civility.

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    • restorehope
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 3:43pm

      Libs love to say how much they want to help people and save the planet, but they have no problem with being accessories to the murder of innocent babies. We should not allow them to use our tax dollars for abortions, as that makes us complicit to murder as well.

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    • lillymckim
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 4:10pm

      Why do you give this (man) ? Olbermann any news coverage at all?
      if the media and this site would just ignore him he will just go away …

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    • tomh57
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 4:28pm

      ABC,
      Why don’t you read and decide for yourself? Apparantly you have made your decision as you are trading barbs with SE, Trump and others. It is easy to see that your a bleeding heart liberal Why should we fund the largest baby killers in America “Planned Murderhood”? That is their primiary function to being in a slaughter house business. Read, go on line and look at PP financial statements.

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 4:50pm

      DEMOCRATGIRL…you are exactly right, my friend..I am a stay at home mom, homeschool, God fearing woman, NOW’s worst nightmare!

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    • Warphead
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 4:57pm

      Say it ain’t so Keith. Say it ain’t so.
      Poor Olberman, I mean, he being born a male but secretly wishing above all else to feel the strong powerful embrace of a man, to actually have a strong virile man with insatiable lust bring out his innermost woman. How could he display any other emotions other than confusion, hate and bigotry? As described by numerous psychiatrists, from deep unfulfilled feelings of incompleteness, poor Olberman lashes at the one thing he wants to be more than anything else, a happy, beautiful young woman, or Glenn Beck, either would do. Quit pretending Keith, we got your number now.

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    • abc
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 5:08pm

      Upstate,

      I now understand your point of view and commend you on the consistency. You are opposed to George Bush’s “conservative” faith-based initiatives as well.

      Are you also against public school education? Should all schools be privatized? Are you in favor of public roads or should they all be private toll roads? Should we pay into private insurance pools to obtain private police and fire services? I am trying to understand what public goods can be funded and which ones cannot, according to conservative principles. I assume the government can pay for armies and prisons and courthouses, but not for healthcare facilities. What is the principled line being drawn by the archetypal conservative mind?

      RJO, you are an embarrassment, in my humble opinion.

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    • WHIITETEAPARTY
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 5:22pm

      Did everyone forget that palin is responsible for the attempted murder of arizona rep Giffords. I dont understand why republicans hate people so much.

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 5:36pm

      Palin is responsible for Gifford’s attempted murder?…I thought it was some libral loon from arizona that was a follower of Giffords…you might want to go back and check that one out again.

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    • RJO
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 5:54pm

      @

      abc
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 5:08pm

      Upstate,

      I now understand your point of view and commend you on the consistency. You are opposed to George Bush’s “conservative” faith-based initiatives as well.

      Are you also against public school education? Should all schools be privatized? Are you in favor of public roads or should they all be private toll roads? Should we pay into private insurance pools to obtain private police and fire services? I am trying to understand what public goods can be funded and which ones cannot, according to conservative principles. I assume the government can pay for armies and prisons and courthouses, but not for healthcare facilities. What is the principled line being drawn by the archetypal conservative mind?

      RJO, you are an embarrassment, in my humble opinion.

      ******Really? I’m shocked to read your analysis. Embarrassment is a relative term and the way it was used in your appraisal is similar to ending a sentence with closure. As for “humble”……OMG…ooops…OMD (Oh My Darwin)….the word humble hardly describes you opinion, your perspective and your view of the body politic.

      Again ABC…you are the poster boy for POMPOUS TWIT. Arrogant, condescending trash talk that only serves to legitimize your hard-left existence. Liberal?Progressive/Marxist like yourself have little time for true “debate” as the ends justify the means.

      L/P/M’s have the “need” to dictate and control and little room is left for serious consideration of alternative opinion. I expected more from you in way of clever retort.

      George Soros…aka…God….is spending 10 million greenbacks to “take down” Beck and other undesirables…..ABC is on the payroll. Looking forward to your next 35 paragraph babble…for the L/P/M perspective is BABBLE.

      Keep trying ABC……….POMPOUS TWIT!

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    • UpstateNYConservative
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 5:58pm

      @abc
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 5:08pm

      Oh, c’mon now!

      Seriously–I thought you and I were having a discussion on a limited topic, where we might come to some common ground.

      Now you try expanding the issue?

      You see, that’s why liberals are held in such disdain among us Conservatives. YOU libs seek to ‘win’, by changing and/or expanding the matter at hand–to take it all to a place that has nothing to do with the original matter.

      Do what you need for your own head. I explained myself, for whatever it might be worth to you and anyone else. I’m clear–no bones about it.

      YOU, however, just shot down your own side, your own way.

      You know, ABC, I thought I was having a genuine conversation with a liberal, maybe a meeting of minds on friendly terms. But your expansion into other realms and facets, that you might feel justified, tells me I messed up: I should NEVER trust a liberal in any discussion.

      I was honest with you. YOU seek to ‘win’. That‘s not what I’m about; let the chips fall where they may. YOU need a ‘win’, when I don’t. I state my case, and that’s it.

      YOU have just proven to me that I no longer need to be ‘fair’ with liberals.

      Good job there! YOU, because you are the way you are, not only lost a peaceful discussion but also validated the reasons why Conservatives hold such disdain for liberals.

      I regret, ABC, you are so partisan. Being the way you are–by your own ways and words–you are an epic fail. YOU do not persuade to your own side.

      Pffft!

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    • abc
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 6:13pm

      Upstate,

      I think you misunderstood me. I am not seeking to “win.” Heck, I haven’t even really stated a view, but have asked to understand yours. I am not expanding the topic at all either, since I am trying to understand what areas are allowed to be funded with public dollars and which ones are not and for what reasons. If I were conservative or at least libertarian, I might argue that defense cannot be easily paid for with private funds, but education can. I am trying to understand the thinking behind the comments and views, the values behind the rhetoric. I am not asserting a position, much less attempting to say it is better than yours. I do, of course, have a view, but you really don’t know what it is fully, since I’ve hardly revealed it. I think you are letting RJO influence you, but he is not interested in thinking, just name calling. But his name calling should be viewed as far more offensive than my asking questions. I hope that clarifies things. Hopefully, you’ll choose to respond, as I’d really like to understand why the distinctions are being made where they are. Otherwise, I’ll just thank you for the conversation that we did have. It’s been nice hearing your ideas.

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    • UpstateNYConservative
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 6:21pm

      @abc
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 6:13pm

      No, I got you clear–by your own actions and words.

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    • RJO
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 6:25pm

      @

      abc
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 6:13pm

      Upstate,

      I think you misunderstood me. I am not seeking to “win.” Heck, I haven’t even really stated a view, but have asked to understand yours. I am not expanding the topic at all either, since I am trying to understand what areas are allowed to be funded with public dollars and which ones are not and for what reasons. If I were conservative or at least libertarian, I might argue that defense cannot be easily paid for with private funds, but education can. I am trying to understand the thinking behind the comments and views, the values behind the rhetoric. I am not asserting a position, much less attempting to say it is better than yours. I do, of course, have a view, but you really don’t know what it is fully, since I’ve hardly revealed it. I think you are letting RJO influence you, but he is not interested in thinking, just name calling. But his name calling should be viewed as far more offensive than my asking questions. I hope that clarifies things. Hopefully, you’ll choose to respond, as I’d really like to understand why the distinctions are being made where they are. Otherwise, I’ll just thank you for the conversation that we did have. It’s been nice hearing your ideas.

      *****Lame ABC….let’s highlight the latest condescending response…. “I think you are letting RJO influence you, but he is not interested in thinking, just name calling. But his name calling should be viewed as far more offensive than my asking questions.”

      ******I have a hunch I’m getting under the skin of this loser………………influence void of the L/P/M rationalization is indeed viewed as a “negative”…I wear your claim as a badge of honor – minion of Soros.

      Reduce it to “name calling”….when in fact ABC it is an accurate description of an individual who does not seek dialogue, but to “conquer” those who dare challenge the great mind of a run-of-the-mill L/P/M.

      You bore me Twit……..

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    • UpstateNYConservative
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 6:31pm

      @abc
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 6:13pm

      Seriously–how did YOU go from PP to education? What is in your liberal head that can find parallel to dichotomy?

      What the frack is WRONG with you?

      I was fully honest, to the matter at hand.

      Do what you gotta do.

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    • JoeBtfsplk
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 6:32pm

      @DEMOCRATGIRL;

      Good on you D-girl!!!

      Concise and to the point. I applaud your comment!

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    • PuddinSkins
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 6:54pm

      @ABC

      “I do, of course, have a view, but you really don’t know what it is fully, since I’ve hardly revealed it.”

      Then please “reveal” it. What seems to be happening here is you wish us to reveal all that we believe, but you reveal very little. I also noticed that when we do reveal our thought process all you do is try and make it even more complicated by factoring in all sorts of other issues.

      I have no problem telling you what we should spend public money on, but I would like to hear what you have to say first, this way I can tear it apart just like you would like to do with any response we give you.. tag, you’re it.

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 7:14pm

      @I Love Section 8 Housing,

      “man, she’s SUPER HOT for a total moron. She’s probably the HOTTEST idiot on earth. She’s like Sarah Palin except younger and hotter but just as dumb.”

      LOL!

      I would respond to that, but that’s just too much funny to get in the way of. :D

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    • cruzinbill
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 7:27pm

      what are you a left wing commie.

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    • abc
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 7:29pm

      Upstate, I don’t think you do have it. You are describing that you think that public funds should not go to PP, and I am trying to understand why. We’ve ruled out the abortion issue, and we’ve established that even churches should not get those funds. So I’m wondering about other entities. That is a totally fair question to ask in the context of the wider debate on the budget, which is the context in which PP is being debated. There is no trickery in attempting to understand what government spending a conservative approves of and which spending is deemed wasteful. If you are not in favor of government support of church charity programs or PP, then perhaps you are not in favor of public education spending. Or maybe you are. Either way, there is no shame in admitting what the principle is that informs where you draw the line. I didn’t betray your honesty nor attempt to put words in your mouth. I merely asked questions to see where the lines are drawn and why. Why you are getting upset is beyond me.

      Puddin,

      I’m happy to answer that. You’re the first to ask. I think that the market and private organizations ought to operate wherever they can as freely as they can. But I think that the inherent limitations of the private sector ought to be acknowledged and the government has an important place to operate where those limitations exist. For example, we ought not worry that China will outbid us for the army that we are paying to defend us, so that would be a proper government function. We also ought not have fights over which private fire department we are going to hire as our house is burning down, so a public function works better than how it worked a century ago–and the inherent insurance function of us all paying for a service that only some of us need, thereby lowering the cost to the victims is an added benefit. I think public schooling is a public good, since there is a minimum amount of knowledge that we all need to have to operate in a democracy effectively, and we all ought to pay to ensure that everyone get that. Now, that is not an excuse to eliminate competition to public schools, so choice is good and even subsidized choice is good in my book. I also think that the EPA is necessary, as is the FDA, since companies can often deny that they have poisoned us by cutting safety corners to increase profits, and companies that pollute the commons ought to pay for the damage done to property that they do not own. I think that the government also has a role in regulating health care services and costs, since there are tons of market failures in that area–from information asymmetries to abuse of monopoly power. I could go on and on, but the basic principle is that wherever there is a market failure, then the government ought to correct the problem. The intervention ought to be the most minimal one possible that addresses the issue, and the intervention ought to cease when the failure is no longer there, for whatever reason (e.g., technological obsolescence). I am happy to argue which areas of market failure lead me to support a government role when most conservatives don’t think one is needed, as these are mostly cases in which the rhetoric and blind faith in the market causes people to ignore the factual problems with a free market system.

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    • Professional Infidel
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 7:55pm

      democratgirl, Congratulations, you escaped the the clutches of the Devil.

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    • thebarbarian
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 8:34pm

      whew, the computer was slow uploading and got hot. glad to see it was just a funny :)

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    • ThinkDeeper
      Posted on April 15, 2011 at 9:33pm

      ABC,

      “Upstate, I don’t think you do have it. You are describing that you think that public funds should not go to PP, and I am trying to understand why.”

      Well I dont know how many more times Upstate has to say it but its not their fault you cant understand things above your IQ. Just because you dont like their answer doesn’t mean you can go on a journey to muddy the crystal clear waters. You can be obtuse all you want. Just stop trying to hide behind “I dont get it”.

      Just realize you have no idea what you are talking about or simply state your opinion so we can pick it apart like you are trying to do. Its easy to pick apart an opinion when you dont state yours.

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    • DaveChen
      Posted on April 16, 2011 at 1:39am

      According to the Center for Disease Control, there were 11,156,700 black babies aborted between 1973-2001. Today, that number is estimated to be at least 13,000,000.

      I have something for you Conservative “racists” and you liberals to think about. Since about 90% of the blacks would likely vote for Democrats, the Liberals have lost about 11,000,000 potential voters to abortions and for you Conservatives, that’s about 11,000,000 Liberal voters that you don’t have to account for. Who are the REAL racists here? Confusing isn’t it? Are Liberals willingly giving up 11,000,000 potential voters and are the Conservatives fighting to protect 11,000,000 potential Liberal voters?

      Seventy eight percent of the Planned Parenthood abortion clinics are placed in or convenient to minority neighborhoods. Blacks make up about twelve percent of the American population but account for about thirty five percent of the abortions. Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s Web site shows that it performed a total of 332,278 abortions in 2009 and charged between 350 and 950 dollars for each.

      Cecile Richards Planned Parenthood president received a salary of $385,163, plus another $11,876 in benefits for the year 2008. Five other officers received approximately a quarter million dollars each in 2008. The president of the United States receives a salary of $400,000 plus $50,000 expense account. Is Cecile Richard’s value approximately equal to that of the US President? Their annual lobbying budget for 2008 (a presidential election year) was $1,000,000. They expect and get a very good return on their investment from our federal government – Planned Parenthood received $349.6 million in tax dollars in the fiscal year ending on September 30, 2008.

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    • Mohawk1773
      Posted on April 16, 2011 at 2:00am

      Comrades like ABC intend to babble you into a corner. Do you hear that? That is the sound of the ever running babbling brook of progressivism bound in post-modern nihlism.

      It’s simple, some people disagree with the moral charter of Planned Parenthood, so it should not be funded by tax dollars. Mind you, this is a moral charter founded by the Eugenicist Margaret Sanger who’s primary motivation was to rid society of what she considered undesirables, primarily black Americans. Please read Margaret Sanger’s treaties, Comrade ABC. This form of “Third Way” politics is supported by former KKK elite, Metzger and many in the know. It’s a dirty little secret that the party of the KKK (Democrats) do not wish revealed.

      So ABC, I don’t suspect you are for government funding for churches, so in this same vain these Christian people are not for Government funding for your love of Eugenics.

      @DEMOCRATGIRL — Much respect for your journey, many have been there, some come out the other side with clarity and grace. Betty Friedan’s intent for what many call this “Second Wave” of Feminism was founded in the doctrines of Marx to destroy the “bourgeois family” and replace it with the State. The many references to said social change can be found in the Communist Manifesto and treatise from the Frankfurt School.

      All — you would be wise to watch the “Politically Correct” documentary on the Frankfurt School, this would give you a window into the works of Marcuse and the Hegelian Dialectic and just why these so called “liberals” are so brainwashed and so full of hate and hypocrisy. There is nothing Feminine about Femynism. There is nothing Liberal about Liberalism.

      Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyu-9-OhHog

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    • Mohawk1773
      Posted on April 16, 2011 at 2:14am

      Chen, humans with any sense of humanity don’t care about “liberal” and “conservative” when it comes to who will benefit from genocide, unless of course your the guilty party trying out some doublethink. I would venture to guess that the conservative TEA Party of Constitutional values is looking to set the record straight and stop the dubious works of Government. You know that entity that has caused more tragedy in human history than any tribe or religion could ever fathom. Even the Inquisition holds no dark flame as compared the trespasses of government endorsed genocide.

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    • lucitee
      Posted on April 16, 2011 at 10:09am

      Too bad Keiths MOM didn’t use birth control! But on SECOND thought it may be good that she DIDN’T! It is always better if you can put a “face” on a “mistake”! Rarely do we get to DO that with RABID, CLUELESS LIBERALS! They always blame the Conservatives for their non-action which has devastating results!

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    • daveg64
      Posted on April 16, 2011 at 5:15pm

      And thats news? Well liberals are also the biggest racists as well, they just flash their “get out of racism, D card”, and all is forgiven, especially by their targets who are still on the liberal plantation.

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    • ThinkDeeper
      Posted on April 16, 2011 at 9:25pm

      ABC,

      Good job on doing the right thing and shutting up when you knew you were had. Thanks for playing. You are the weakest link, Goodbye!

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    • cruzinbill
      Posted on April 17, 2011 at 12:37pm

      The only hate i hear comes from the idiots on the left like you.

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    • abc
      Posted on April 17, 2011 at 4:44pm

      ThinkDeeper ought to learn to do what his moniker implores. I DID lay out my opinion, but you didn’t bother to read it. I merely asked Upstate questions, and when he realized that he didn’t have answers that he could square across the whole gamut of spending areas, that is, he couldn’t state concisely what principles guided his spending decisions, then he suddenly became offended that I had asked such an unreasonable question. I still don’t know how it can be unreasonable, since only a moron would say that one shouldn’t have principles to determine how they act in society and how they expect government to act toward society. But apparently you, like many others here, are not capable of the kind of deep thinking that you claim you have. And please don‘t claim that I didn’t clearly lay out my position when asked, because I did.

      Thanks for playing. Better luck next time.

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