Feel Safe? Two Young Girls Climb US/Mexico Border Fence in Under 18 Seconds
- Posted on January 3, 2011 at 1:57pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
- Print »
- Email »
Remember Homeland Security Secretary Jane Napalitano’s mantra from last year the border is “as secure now as it has ever been”? (See here and here.) No one better show her the following video, which claims to show two young girls tackling, and conquering, the U.S./Mexico immigration fence in under 18 seconds — by hand:
The video comes from the creator of a film called “The Other Side of Immigration.” Interestingly, the goal of that film and the above video is not meant as a statement on the necessity of increased border security. Rather, the film bills itself as a documentary purporting to show the plight of Mexicans, why they are flocking to the U.S., and an alternative theory on how to stop illegal immigration.
“The film explores why so many people leave small Mexican towns to work in the United States and what happens to the families and communities they leave behind,” the film’s website says. “By understanding ‘the other side’ of the story, we’ll begin to think about new and more creative ways that the U.S. and Mexican governments can work together to solve our undocumented immigration problem.”
According to the YouTube video’s explanation, “new and more creative ways” include investing in Mexican infrastructure.
“How many greenhouses could we build for the cost of that wall?” the video’s creator, Ray Germano, asks. “If we invest in Mexico, people won’t want to leave.”
Germano currently holds a Ph.D. from the University of Texas and a master’s degree from the University of Chicago. In his bio, he wonders if Americans would turn to illegal immigration to support their families under the right circumstances:
I wonder, however, how many Americans wouldn’t hesitate to violate the immigration laws of a foreign country if doing so meant vastly improving the life chances of their children. Would you think twice about migrating illegally to Canada, for example, if the U.S. economy was in ruins, your children were destined for a life of poverty, and there were plenty of high-wage jobs to be done in Canada?
The description ends with a final question: “Would spending a dollar to reduce poverty in Mexico be a more effective way to reduce undocumented immigration than spending a dollar to build more fencing along the border?”
However, neither the author‘s bio nor the video’s description say anything about the deadly drug cartel violence gripping Mexican border towns, which many cite as evidence for increased border security and consistently enforced immigration laws. Those people, like the video, also note that the money spent on the fence is worthless without accompanying enforcement.
(H/T: Gawker)
Popular Stories
Paper Details Obama Admin’s Alleged Secret Note Sent to Iran: If Israel Attacks, We Won’t Get Involved 583 Comments
‘Made Up Religion’: TV Historian Enrages Muslims, Receives Threats After Producing UK Documentary Questioning Islam’s Beginnings 413 Comments
This Is the Creationists‘ Response to Scientist Bill Nye’s Viral Pro-Evolution Video Claiming They Harm Children 410 Comments
Roseanne Barr: Most Billionaires ‘Violent Pedophiles’ & ‘Heartless’ Cocaine Addicts 374 Comments
President Obama Issues Major ‘Green Energy’ Executive Order 367 Comments
Faith
- This Is the Creationists‘ Response to Scientist Bill Nye’s Viral Pro-Evolution Video Claiming They Harm Children 410 Comments
Pakistani Muslim Cleric Accused of Framing Disabled Christian Girl in Koran-Burning Case Read More- ‘Made Up Religion’: TV Historian Enrages Muslims, Receives Threats After Producing UK Documentary Questioning Islam’s Beginnings 413 Comments
Meet the Controversial German Imam Accused of Brutally Beating His Wife & Pushing Sharia Law Read More
‘Self-Proclaimed Messiah’ & Unification Church Leader the Rev. Sun Myung Moon Has Died — Here’s His Life Story Read More
Business
- President Obama Issues Major ‘Green Energy’ Executive Order 367 Comments
- Germany’s Upcoming Court Ruling Will be Huge for the EU Read More
Ford Looks to Beat Toyota for Best-Selling Car in 2012 With This Model 151 Comments
Bernanke & QE3: Here’s What You Need to Know Read More- ‘Extortion’: Why Did the Labor Department ‘Drop the Hammer’ on Oregon Farmers? 302 Comments
Technology
- This Is the Creationists‘ Response to Scientist Bill Nye’s Viral Pro-Evolution Video Claiming They Harm Children 410 Comments
‘TaserDrone’: Hackers Weaponize Quadcopter With Actual ‘Shocking’ Technology Read More
Ever Heard of the Wild ‘Burning Man’ Festival in the Middle of the Nev. Desert? Here’s Your Primer Read More
Stanford Develops Technology ‘Better Than Steroids’ for Athlete Recovery Read More
Have You Pretended to Know What ‘the Cloud’ Is? You’re Not Alone Read More
Submitting your tip... please wait!
Comments (273)
Digger-HR
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:54pmAre we sure these young ladies weren’t attempting to flee Obamaland?
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 10:33pm(Posted by: TRACKING) I do not feel safe, nor do my neighbors or my State. This is a real problem for everyone, including those who are here legally. This Country takes in more foreigners and immigrants than all other countries combined. We take in apx 3 million each and every year. These people are NOT immigrants as they would (politicians) like you to believe and keep telling you. Immigrants came to this country legally and we invited. They had papers, health records and we knew who they were. and where they were coming from and if they were criminals, etc… Illegals and Immigrants are NOT the same thing.
Illegals are also not displaced travelers or undocumented workers either. That’s like calling a Doctor a undocumented or unlicensed medical worker. Hardly the same thing is it? No matter how “politically correct” you want to “name it”, it is still a crime and they are illegals who knowingly broke the Law.
The Department of Justice, through the Obama administartion, gives millions to States now that refuse to deport illegals and agree to provide ‘Safe Harbor” to illegals. Many of which are in jail or prison on serious charges and committed serious felonies and over one million on rape charges. Calif. 88 million in 2010. New York, 14 million and on it goes.
States, many of which are now bankrupt, face a crisis every day with budget cuts and trying to meet their financial obligations. Our systems, social and community, are stressed to the point of no recovery. Yet this administration has done very little to ease the border crisis and the harm it has placed on this country and it’s citizens. The government is not doing it‘s job to protect it’s citizens from all threats, domestic and foreign and in fact sue States when they try to protect their own citizens from peril and harm. We should ALL be very concerned and expressing outrage over this. There are no countries that have “open borders”. There are no countries that want open borders. The money that is spent on illegals is overwhelming this country and not because they are hated or because of any racial connotations, just simply because we are broke and cannot afford to support the global world. We also, in no way can afford to NOT know who is coming into this country. We pay the price for that every day when we fly, go into a building or face a threat. Our first consideration, above and beyond all others, should be to keep this country and it’s citizens safe. Our Borders, all of them, every mile, could be secure IF they wanted them secure. The money that has been spent on cyber fences, patrol officers, cameras, gov. contractors,( billions and billions) and the cyber fence that has never worked, THAT money could have secured the border AND paid for the deportation costs. This country spent over 408 billion dollars a year on illegals, in ADDITION to the already spent money I just listed and it isn’t over yet. This doesn’t even include the foreign aide we give to Mexico and others nor the money we spend to assist Mexico with their police and enforcement, nor what we spend on our own enforcement in Mexico, whom I might add, face incredible danger every minute of every day.
The spending continues because this President and his administration want a Global Community. A Global World with open borders. That kind of thinking is insane. What the government wants, the government gets. They do not want secure borders. Period. If they did, we would have had them a long time ago. Instead, we keep spending billions on the same problem,on the symptoms, not the cause or solution. To be fair, no President or Congress has solved or attempted to solve this problem either except with amnesty and we all know that doesn’t work. In ten years, we are facing the same problem all over again because they keep coming. Why do they keep coming? Because they can.
It is also been said by those in the know,( Congressional Hearings and Testimony) that we have thousands of terrorists crossing over as well. Every day. That is alarming to me. It isn’t just Hispanics looking for a better life, it’s terrorists from Saudi Arabia and Yehmen and many other places. That reason alone should be enough for DHHS to secure the borders and keep us safe. The DHHS can implement and spend on security at airports, Agents, Air Marshalls and every place we go but they will not spend to secure the borders nor will they deport. To actually pay a State NOT to deport is beyond my comprehension. Taxpayers foot the entire bill and not just once but over and over again every single day and it grows $$ and grows as more cross over. How much more can we afford and how much more are we, as taxpayers, willing to pay?
Let me give you a few statistics, you can all get the information from govt. agencies and sources. It is public information, readily available.
In 2005 alone, there were as many as 10 million, that we know about, that crossed over illegally. In addition to those that are already here.
There were apx 19,500 illegals from Terrorist Countries that came over, that we know about in 2005 alone.
The National Policy Institute estimates that mass deportation would cost between 206 and 230 billion, or an average cost of 41 to 46 billion annually, over a five year period. To deport.
Over 200 billion a year in suppressed wages are caused by illegals.
3 to 5 million a day is spent by taxpayers to incarcerate illegals in jails and prisons in this country and that figure is growing. That is billions of taxpayer dollars a year.
190 million and growing, estimated a year is being spent on social services and welfare for illegals.
27 billion is spent, a year, every year, on “Anchor Babies” born here. Over 400,000 a year are born here and they pay no medical or birthing cost. Look up the EMTOLA act passed by Congress. Free Medical.
Enacting more and more laws and infringing on the Freedoms and Lberties of citizens of this country is not going to solve this issue. You don‘t treat the symptoms of a disease or danger to your body and you don’t keep using the same medication knowing it isn’t working. You must treat the cause.
I could list more. I have the breakdown and the actual costs as far as they have reported and determined. I will be happy to post more if asked. Education, Medicaid for illegals, and so very much more.
Just remember that if we deported 20 million illegals or they returned “home”, the US Economy would return to the Rule of Law. Employers would hire american citizens at a living wage and everyone would pay their fair share of taxes b/cause they would not be working “off the books”. Also, this would result in 401 billion dollars in IRS revenue, annually, and an EQUAL amount for State, local and city coffers.
And they want me to believe that we cannot secure the borders and protect this country and it’s legal american citizens? They want me to call them undocumented workers because it sounds better? Better for whom? When you are broke, you are broke. We have no jobs, the economic outlook is dreary, we borrow billions and trillions to give away and keep this country going financially. We have no budget and Congress has set nor given us one yet they spend and spend on idiotic things that make no sense. They expect us to live with less, give more, work harder with no raises, pay more for goods and services and gas and power and this is what we get. Go Congress and the President! Hooray for you! This is the best you can do for this country and Americans? Please wake up and do your jobs that WE pay you to do and do it in the best interest of the citizens of this country. Can you at least do that little bit? Oh, and congrats on your raises last year. America did not get one.
Report Post »VANCE200
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 12:15amJust spray some oil on the fence– not thin oil medium to thick
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:54pm“There are more creative and effective ways to manage ”undocumented immigration”…
YEP…
SURE IS…
SHOOT EM’!
Riddle of the Day:
“How many bullets can Jane buy, for each mile that she must patrol of the Mexican border, if she ONLY has $4M to spend?”
Winner GETS THE FIRST SHOT!
I know this sounds awful people…but…GIVE ME A BREAK…have we totally lost our “collective” minds?
Report Post »Non-sequitur
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:09pmI still believe the correct way to keep illegal immigrants out would be not to block their passage into America but to take away the reason they come here. Keep companies from hiring them, attach hefty (and I mean HEFTY) fines to that to give it some weight.
Report Post »haddol01
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:18pmClearly you’ve lost your mind. Your “solution” sheds light on your ignorance of the problem. But don’t worry, practically everyone else who commented on this story is just as ignorant.
A few things: first, big businesses scramble at the idea of tightened border security, as it means economic catastrophe for those who thrive on cheap labor, which is increasingly not provided by the new generation of educated U.S. citizens. But guess what, conservatives? You vote for big business advocates every election. It makes zero sense to support corporate America with your voting habits, while condemning the corporate practices that allow illegal Mexican immigrants to survive in this country in the first place.
Second, would you all listen to yourselves? I have never heard this much racist bigotry in my life. I think I read one post that referred to Mexicans as “tunnel rats.” Get off the internet, go read a few books, and learn a) why the Mexican state has HISTORICALLY failed to provide stability for its citizens (in some cases, the story makes the U.S. look horrifying) and b) learn why NAFTA and subsidized imports from the U.S. ag industry (remember, subsidies do not allow for consistent free trade policy) have screwed over Mexican farmers. Also, if you spent 5 seconds in a conversation with a Mexican, you would learn that they are friendly, hardworking people who have just the same materialistic desires as yourself. No, they aren’t perfect. And neither are you.
The U.S. has created this problem for itself. I‘m not saying we shouldn’t secure the borders or crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants. But we should also examine the policies that have had devastating indirect consequences for Mexico’s economy, policies that go way back to the Nixon era. And we need to stop calling people tunnel rats, and calling for the genocide of all illegal border-crossers. That does absolutely nothing.
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 5:40pm@HADDOL01…You’ve got to chill out my friend…my “solutions” are no less insane than those employed by this government!…You must be new to all of this debate…if so, you‘ll find out in time that the only way to survive all of this is to employ a lil’ humor…don’t take yourself so seriously…the Cavalry is on its’ way…the Republic will be saved…maybe a bit scraped and bruised…but we’ll be stronger for the experience!
Report Post »Deda1
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:48pmI wonder how long before the feds try and charge them with some baloney charge for embarrasing them?
Report Post »UpstateNYConservative
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:48pmWhy weren’t they shot?
Report Post »JohnQTaxpayer
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:02pmI marvel at the brilliance of Castro, and later in time Vicente Fox of Mexico, and other Caribbean leaders. They realized the opportunity to rid their countries of a high percentage of the lower class, criminals, chronically poor, chronically ignorant, etc. so they did. That is brilliance, genius, and forward thinking, they took bold steps to save their countries.
It should be no surprise; the Mexican government does not want them back. And they will not want any of those poor dumb Americans either
I bet we will be shot if the reverse were happening, you know, when we are fleeing this country because we let it be taken over by Marxist and Illegal aliens.
Wake up America, the trash is winning
Report Post »Stu Pedaso
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:44pmI would not want to see the inside of any other countries jail. That is what happens when you break the laws in another country, except Mexico if you have enough “Bail” money. Ever been to Tiajuana on Revolution Blvd? You can get away with a lot if you can afford the fine.
Report Post »kedward
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:28pmMexico controlled parts of the southwest for less than 30 years. Before that time, it was Spain.
Report Post »The Toad
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:28pmFences just won’t work. You need landmines and booby traps. And bunker buster bombs for the tunnel rats! They might think twice about unlawfully entering the United States!
Report Post »Camo Pants
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:25pmTBH, Ellis Island 2.0 is needed. If you don’t pass you get black listed if you try again. If you make up the req you failed you get in.
Yay
Report Post »Nay?
TheBMT
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:24pmDo we need this drug war? Do we need the cost of added security and enforcement in OTHER countries, because we need to have this drug war? Granted, violence from drug cartels would not go down immediately, but breaking up their profit would hamper them for some time.
I say communication with both sides would allow us to develop a stronger border between Mexico and the US.
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:05pmSo you suggest we let the drug cartels flood this country with drugs? You think that will make us safer? How many people are harmed by drug addicts looking for a means to get more drugs? How many peoples’ lives are ruined by drug abuse? Do you want a guy out in front of your childs’ school offering up any kind of dope imaginable?
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:22pmthey don’t understand our laws……now the muslim that is charged with killing his daughter in an honor killing is claiming he doesn”t understand our legal system……..i was always told that ignorance of the law was not an excuse!!!!
Report Post »Non-sequitur
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:35pmIt isn’t, but it’s an easy way to get a more lenient ruling depending on the judge. He’s just saying what his lawyer tells him to say.
Report Post »MamaofJ5
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:48pmLegal system aside, can‘t believe the guy doesn’t understand killing is wrong morally, don’t care what his religion teaches. Don‘t tell me he doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong. He just didn’t want to look bad to the other idiots who believe as he does. I guess when he burns in hell he’ll figure it out.
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:45pmNICE- Do you think the excuse of NOT KNOWING THE LAW flies as a defense in a Middle Eastern country?
Report Post »Tri-ox
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:20pmObviously these young girls are in labor – no one can climb that fence quicker than an anchor-baby-Mamacita who is about to pop.
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:20pmThere are people all over the world that want to come here for a better life but we can not take them all. It is impossible for us to provide for them. Heck right now we can’t provide for our own people. We are not responsible for them, I am sorry. They come here illegally. They are a drain on our economy. Practically every state is suffering from the expence caused by them. Are we supposed to sit back and watch our country go downhill while they recieve the same benenfits as citizens that are legally here? To gain the latino votes this administration welcomes them with open arms at the expence of our homeland security . Also without regard for the American tax-payers that are already barely making it themselves.
Report Post »iheartusa
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:39pmYou make a good point. Go to http://www.numbersusa.com and watch the “immigration gumball” video. It is very makes a very compelling visual argument for why The United States of America cannot continue with the same immigration policies.
Report Post »countryboy42
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:17pmReminds me of the old joke: Why doesn’t Mexico have a summer Olympics team? Anyone who can swim, jump, or run is allready in the U.S.
Report Post »TERMLIMITSNOW
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:31pmHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I never heard that one!!!! That’s a classic!
Report Post »Flux
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:04pmHAAHAAAAHAAAA!!! That is a classic. I’ve heard it, but it never gets old. As for the fence, they should build a huge wall and have elecrtic fencing or barbed wire at the top, and guards with high powered rifles stationed along the top of the concrete wall every hundred yards or so, like in a prison. It’s sad that it needs to be that way, but it is what it is. The gov‘t could keep ’em out if they wanted to.
Report Post »NE12012
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:16pmone word – VOLTAGE
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:51pmSnipers.
Report Post »WAR PIGS CRAWLING
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 11:47pmJust make sure it’s green energy…solar or wind…and the lefties will have to vote for it.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:14pmBuild it higher and deeper.
I don’t care if it has a moat with rattlesnakes, gators and sharks! Just secure the border!
If two girls can get up and over in 18 seconds, how are we supposed to believe quasi-bootcamp-trained Al-Qaeda operatives will be kept out by this abysmal mess of a bad joke of border security?
To be fair, though, this isn‘t just Janet Incompitano’s mess. This goes back as long as people have been illegally crossing the border. Incompitano is just the most recent failure to sit in that seat.
Report Post »crossdraw
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:13pmIsn’t it war when a country is being invaded?
Report Post »MamaofJ5
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:41pmI think it use to be in some far off world that no longer exist. We can test that theory, how about 10mil Americans flood the border tomarrow. You know just for fun. Betcha Mexico would not take kindly to that.
Report Post »highcarry
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 6:50pm18 seconds, eh? my 30.06 moves a projectile at 2,920 fps. i win.
Report Post »vic138
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:11pmIf they had actually climbed over the fence and entered mexico illegally they probably would have gotten in trouble with ice (serious trouble if caught by the mexican federales.)
Report Post »The Bees
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:11pmIt’s like a national nightmare.
Q – Why would we build a fence that is so easy to climb?
A – Because our government has no idea how to enforce it’s own laws anymore.
What is it that our government doesn’t understand here? I predict this will get more lame liberal vermin kicked out of office in the next election than anything else. Including Barry!
Report Post »Kandisue
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:33pmAre you kidding?
They don’t want to enforce the laws.
Isn’t it Murdock the owner of Fox who wants amnesty for illegal aliens?
What would it be like if we had a conservative version of CNN?
25 American citizens are killed every single day in America by illegal aliens.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:08pmI watched the referenced video. The village is beautiful, the people seem to be hard working, and hate their government. Rather than leave and come to the US, I wish there were a way for them to ‘reform’ the corruption. I fear we may be looking at our future, except there is no US for us to escape to.
Report Post »the_ancient
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:07pmthat just proves that even when they build a “fence” they do not do it correctly, It Should be a WALL not a Fence and is should be Topped with Razor Wire
Report Post »right-wing-waco
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:15pmAnd maybe sprayed with light oil to make it very slick.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:27pmright-wing-waco;
Try heavy crude.
Report Post »neverending
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:00pmhow about electrified wire???
Report Post »jbh
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:03pmQuestion? Do other countries anywhere use land mines on it borders? Like mexico to the south? Or Russia?
Then maybe you don’t need a wall with razor wire. Just a sign in 17 different languages. Drugs have been killing the young people in our country for far to long. And past time to get very very serious about the health of the people in our country.
But maybe first we should secure the borders in Afganistan?????? DA
Report Post »HairRazor
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:51pmGood idea Waco, Taco grease. That’ll keepem on the bottom rail.
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:07pmOn one hand the illegals violate our laws, and life and limb, to get here to “make a better life”; then once they are dug in they want to take back the parts of the US that were once Mexico. If they turn the US back into Mex won’t the conditions then force them to immigrate farther and farther north?
Report Post »neverending
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:07pmSafe? what’s safe? I am surprised there wasn’t at least 3 – one being old nappie leading the way. I sure it is safer in afghanistan since the moron got those borders all secure.
untameable-kate
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:53pmI’d love to see old Nappy Jan trying to heft her big butt up over that fence, What a hoot!
Report Post »mrmikejohnson
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:06pmTwo words….razor wire!
Report Post »TheBMT
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:19pmtwo words:
Wire cutter
Report Post »mcpbob
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:28pmelectrify the fence…
Report Post »Non-sequitur
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:32pmWear rubber gloves/boots
This is fun! I’ll go next:
A moat of rabid leguans!
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:41pmWhat is a leguan? Tried looking it up in my dictionary and it isn’t in there.
How about mile posts and snipers?
Report Post »HillBillySam1
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:42pmA moat, you say?!? Have at thee, knave!!! A pox on your moat!! A fine catapult will undo your fiendish plot!!!
Report Post »Non-sequitur
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:56pm@Kate
A leguan is apparently the spanish word for Iguana. Weird, I never knew those were the same thing. Look ‘em up on images.google.com, they‘re pretty cute if they’re not rabid.
Also, @Hillbillysam: Archers with burning arrows to take care of that catapult! Your insolence shall not stand!
Report Post »Reagan/DeMint.deciple
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:16pmTwo words , SHOT GUN !!!!
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:16pmrazor wire and LAND MINES
problem solved
Report Post »cavscout107
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:20pmtriple strand concertina wire will do the trick!!!
Report Post »Xcori8r
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:33pmThe purpose of a fence is to define a boundary that is not to be crossed. It works just fine for people not inclined or motivated to cross the boundary. Razor ribbon, electrification, height, layers, moats, armed towers, land mines etc. all provide degrees of deterrence to intruders or potential intruders. Security professionals know that simple fences only delay a determined intruder. Without effective intruder detection and response, a fence or wall is just an obstacle to overcome for someone determined to cross the boundary.
I vote for armed towers and land mines.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {cat folk art}
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 5:26pmThree layers of concertena wire interspanned with crossed razor wire, electrified grill working, a moat between each layer; Guard towers with fully loaded machine guns, rocket launchers, and controlls to the robotically mobile claymore land mines (in case the DC crews try to run out of the country when they face trial soon).
In place of rabid iguanas, have rabid coyotes backed up with packs of african baboons and man eating jaguars. Let loose packs of chiuauas (yeah I know) and to counter the catapults, have backing all this up a deployment of heavy mortars and howitzers for the long range effects.
For the drug lords coming north, a flight of B-52s overhead on constant extermination call.
That might do the job.
Report Post »Xcori8r
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 6:29pmAll that might be needed then for a complete layered protection system would be a well marked boundary space maybe 800 yards or so wide that cannot be violated without encountering a fleet of autonomous unmanned aerial vehicles armed with .50 cals, cluster munitions and auto targeting systems. The gun videos would be wildly popular on the Internet.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:00pmSECURE THE BORDER NOW! Janet Napalitano is a joke and needs to GO! Send her to Mexico!
Report Post »hickoryrat
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:11pmSend her to Jesus
Report Post »HillBillySam1
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:13pmSo the idea of this video is for the United States to PAY Mexico to keep illegal immigrants out?? Sounds a lot like extortion to me…..Mexico can take care of it’s own problems…..they do on their southern border….as for the illegal immigrants themselves, I do not have that much animosity towards them. I would do whatever I could to support my family. However, if I had to break the laws of my country, or some other country, in order to do it, I would know that the consequences of breaking the law could catch up to me. I don‘t owe Mexico anything and I don’t want taxpayer dollars going into a corrupt government’s coffers for their citizens to obey our laws. It would be similar to Mexico paying the U.S. to not send our troops across THEIR borders to annihilate every one of those drug-smuggling gangsters camped out on our borders.
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:51pmPut some electricity thru it.
Report Post »Reagan/DeMint.deciple
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:15pmYou know what’s funny ? China had the wall , Berlin had the wall, Israel has the fence.. Korea.. those seem to work, But here ? Nah, it will never work.. Sarcasim
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:36pmHadrians wall, all of them were fortified. we just put up a wall and said OK we’re done. The few border agents can’t hope to defend it.
Report Post »HairRazor
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:47pmI’m with you BULL, run some current through it. (you know,solar powered)
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {cat folk art}
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 5:21pm@Regan
Got the picture in full details. Dead on.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 6:34pm@Reagan/Demint
Uhm, so your saying China, Korea, and Berlin’s (communists) use of a wall is the same view you would use for the U.S.? (Freedom)
Israel only has a wall because the world will not allow them to do as the wish and eliminate the thorn in it‘s side put there by it’s enemy. Otherwise there would be no wall and all of Israel would be under Israel control.
I do not think a Communist program (wall) is a good practice for the U.S.
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:00pmThey probably didn’t want to walk to the next fence opening. It was easier to climb over.
Report Post »tobywil2
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:09pmNo border barrier will be effective as long as immigration laws are not enforced. http://commonsense21c.com/
Report Post »Cleveland
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:10pmFences will never work. Everyone that calls for bigger and more fence is braindead. Ladders and shovels will always defeat them. Armed guards and/or drones are the only real hope. But that’s rather creepy. How about we just kick out all the politicians that make benefits available to criminals, and make the tax codes prohibitive to international competition?
Unrelated: Here is a newly released cartoon video, 30 minutes long, that explains EVERYTHING about how and why America is where it is financially. PLEASE watch this and spread it around. It covers the Fed, the IRS, Kennedy, Woodrow Wilson, gold, everything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv2oCXbW4r0
jhaydeng
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:13pmLol!
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:30pmTOBY, no fence or wall or moat or anything will stop the invasion of our country without military enforcement. Until our government commits itself to our safety and sovereignty the border will continue to be stormed by illegals pouring across and bankrupting our border states.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:31pmCleveland;
While reading your post, I had a strange thought. Communist countries build fences to keep their population in – we attempt to build a fence attempting to keep others out. This is not new, however, and here I hope you are right; if the progressives finally manage to take power (I don’t think they will), will they then put sufficient resources to complete the fence?
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:36pmI always find it interesting that those who FOOLISHLY say a fence “won’t work” ignore Israel, where things are FAR worse and it DOES “work.”
Of course NOBODY EVER said ANYTHING is 100 effective, but leaving it open is definitely 100 effective in that they will continue to pour in and harm the USA.
Report Post »Cobra Blue
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:45pmIts important that we maintain free flow at the border. We want to be sure the “incoming” save all their energy for that landscaping job waiting on the other side.
Report Post »hkyfan36
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:06pmGun turrets. You only need to kill a few for the word to get out to the masses.
Report Post »TrueGrit
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:13pmWhy is there no razor wire on top of those barriers?
Wolverine
Report Post »cavscout107
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:19pmI’m sure we can find some East Germans that could show us how to build a good fence!!!!
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:32pmActually the government is doing a very fine job with the illegal immigration problem! These people come into this country to get jobs to make money …for a better life for themselves and their families………..Well, it won’t be long, due to the administration’s economic policies, this will no longer be a viable option. They just won’t be able to find what they snuck across the border for. HA ha…the jokes on them.
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:54pmmaybe we can use that fence to grow tomatoes or green beans
Report Post »mtnclimberjim
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 3:59pmGuns, land mines, with a dual fence. Border crossings stop.
Report Post »Rogue
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:08pmKate is right. The border security is a non-issue….. until some terrorist smuggles a dirty bomb over the southern border and detonates it in one of our cities. I’m not sure how many thousands of lives will need to be lost for the feds to militarize the border, but it’s not going to happen based on pesky little drug cartels and unlawful immigration. Politicians don’t want to touch this issue with a ten foot pole, so it will remain a non-issue utill many lives are lost.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:09pmDefinitely safer! Did they happen to have burkas in their backpacks?
Report Post »Major Infidel
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:14pmStart returning them in body bags. After a few dozen deliveries, they’ll stop coming.
Why do we insist on making things so difficult on ourselves? Why are we always the ones to sacrifice? When will American men reclaim their balls from their wives politically correct purses?
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:36pmMajor Infidel you are so right. Us men have been nuetered by our women wanting us to play nice. We have been pusyfied. The Liberal men cant even own a gun…ir makes theor wives “anxious”
The good news is that the Rwpublic will be easy to take back after it all collapses. The Left are a bunch of unarmed dopes..
Report Post »ilovethiscountry
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:37pmI feel more secure already LOL.
Report Post »BMartin1776
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:51pm2 more voters for the socialist party!
Its clear they dont want the border secure Napolitano is more concerned about Afghan borders than the US. Its all a set up by the PTB. We are way over due for an “event” but Im sure it will catch everyones attention when it happens and whomever pulls it off will probably come from the border. Heck is so wide open you could pilot an aircraft carrier through it!
They havent even gone after that one in CA that worked for Meg Whitman, you think they are going to do anything about those hopping the fence!?
http://www.savingtherepublic.com
Report Post »IntheKnowOG
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:51pmTry this fence out for size: http://www.americanborderpatrol.com
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:56pmI’d love to meet a man who has a pair and stands up to his wife and insists on being a MAN. I’m sick of these metrosexual manscaped crybabies. Men, pick up your balls and don’t let a bunch of sissygirls tell you how to behave, believe me when I say alot of us women want you to be real men.
Cobra Blue
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:59pmA double fence like the one Steve McQueen jumped in the Great Escape using a healthy top row of razor wire with the interior laced with land mines and an assortment of booby traps and gun turrest every mile will do the job. Pretty simple. Figure with all the entitlement dollars we are spending annually on these folks…we could build on hell of fence and have mucho bucks left in the bank. Simple…decisive and effective..
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {cat folk art}
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 5:20pmNo, a fence by itself will not stop the imigration problems; even when backed up with guards and other hardware it will make it much more difficult to succeed in crossing. Anyone who thinks the fence alone will stop people just remember this part of history…
France built a fence of fortresses called the Maginot Line, and said it was impossible to cross; guess they forgot to tell that to the germans who went around it.
Things make it more difficult to cross, as do the people watching it, not impossible.
We do need to do more.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 5:40pmA wall will never work. In fact, it will only make things worse and make Americans look even dumber then we already are. All the terrorists on 9/11 and since have been legal, so safety won’t come from a wall.
What reason would we not want people to come to America? Why would we not want to share the God blessing of freedom with everyone so they can in turn teach and share with someone else allowing us to win the battle of hearts and minds…
The reason we have problems with illegal aliens is all due to our immigration laws. We pick and choose who to allow in and then make it as tough as possible and as long as possible to become a citizen. 99% of immigration was written by progressives. To agree with those immigration policies mean you agree with progressives. Americans unite, progressives divide.
Fact is the only issue with people coming here illegal is they use the Socialist programs of America and income tax. Both, Socialist programs and Progressive income tax, are progressive ideas. Why are Americans defending that?
True Americans would read the feet of the Statue of Liberty, understand it and spread it to as many as possible. Either your progressive and believe in dividing and limiting freedom to those you choose or you are American and believe in Freedom and try and give it to everyone. You can’t be both.
The same ones calling to defend these progressive laws and a wall are the same ones saying they are ready for arms to fight Progressives and Van Jones’ radicals… How stupid and hypercritical is that….
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 5:54pmOkie, we’re not opposed to immigration, we are opposed to illegal immigration. When these people flood across the border in droves and tap into our social services and commit crimes and take our jobs then there is a problem.
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 5:59pmLapob1
The Israeli’s build fences with the intent to make it hard to climb or circumvent, we don’t.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 6:22pm@untamablekate
Yes and they flood to the U.S. why? For freedom
Do you not want people to flood to freedom?
If your for immigration, why back and cheer for restricted immigration? Why not lower your restriction and allow them in?
I do not support illegal alien immigration but I believe in finding what’s called “The Root Cause of the Problem.”
I do believe we allowed Progressives to change how we think and our laws creating this mess pitting us against anyone else searching for freedom making us, Americans, have Progressive views toward sharing Freedom.
Easy way to explain: Progressives are elitist thinking. American immigration law is: if you pay X amount of doe, jump thru hoops, and wait 7 or so years we might let you join us in Freedom.
Does our laws sound like what the Statue of Liberty says or more like a Progressive Elitist thinking?
Report Post »rgranger
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 6:26pm“What reason would we not want people to come to America? ”
Report Post »Because we can’t afford them? How many millions of poverty level immigrants do you suppose that the working members of society can support? How many millions can our schools support, how many different languages can we print forms in? How many millions more will our waste disposal systems support? Contrary to what “Big Thinkers” believe, there are not unlimited resources, we can’t support everyone! At some point they must make their own countries habitable, we can’t take them all in – FACT.
rgranger
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 6:33pm“Do you not want people to flood to freedom? ”
Report Post »No, we want them to experience freedom in their own countries so that we are not responsible for them until the end of time, which may be only 36 months away… I know that I cannot afford more mouths to feed. I want what I earn to go to my family, that is my choice. When the government takes my money to support others that come here without my permission, that is stealing. I promise you, the people climbing over that fence, will not be able to support themselves without government assistance, in other words, without reaching into my child’s future inheritance.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 6:42pm@Rgranger
So your not gonna allow others to have freedom because of a Socialistic program we passed in contradiction to our own Constitutional beliefs?
Why not repeal the socialist programs and allow the U.S. citizens to be free and make their own way?
Your thinking on this is Progressive…
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 8:37pmReally Okie?? You don’t understnd the word. If they want freedom come through the front door.
Report Post »You are the progressive thinker…and an imbecile I might add…
TRUSTNO MAN
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 9:10pmTime for a couple thousand volts and a few thousand claymores…..what is that smell??
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 9:22pm@Dustyluv
I agree come thru the golden door we Americans have setup up to help others obtain freedom.
Not come to the door, give us money, wait a while and then we will decide if we want you or not. That is dividing, progressive. Our responsibility is to create the golden door. Is a wall a golden door?
Again I’m against illegal immigration. I just think we are naive in immigration law history and then by defending those policies, look stupid and actually create more problems and play right into the hands of those wanting to destroy us.
An imbecile or silly stupid person calls name when actually trying to have a conversation. A distraction.
So what is your solution?
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 10:11pmOkie,
Report Post »I don’t think you get the problem. These people, for the most part, don’t integrate into our society. They don’t even bother to learn the language here. Maybe you should come to a border state and visit some neighborhoods that have been destroyed by these people. If they would come in legally and respectfully then no one would have a problem, but they sneak in and destroy the areas they occupy.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 10:43pm@Kate
I live in the OK and visit relatives in San Antonio. I understand the problem quite well. Illegal aliens is a problem everywhere not just on the border. The border is more extreme due to cartels and coyotes capitalizing on this situation.
What you see in the non blending into society is the result of our progressive immigration laws. Resentment. We should welcome them and by not doing so create this resentment and division. Exactly what the progressive punks wanted. Divided we fall. By being illegal they submit to slave conditions and work resulting in the nasty neighborhoods you described. They cant integrate, their illegal.
But this should also show you how great freedom is for these people are willing to live in these horrible conditions just to have a chance at freedom.
I’m not defending anyone coming illegal. I also can’t defend progressive laws and ideas. Restricting people from freedom is progressive.
What is your solution?
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 12:47amOkie from Muskogee, you are either not serious or you are clueless.
The “solution” is for US in the USA to control who is allowed in or not.
At the present, we make approximately 1 million people new US citizens yearly – NO MORE ARE NEEDED and the option to allow them in at all is rightly that of the USA (this is CLEARLY the belief held from the very inception of the USA and ALL nations have historically held this as appropriate)
This simply is not confusing and every common sense American KNOWS it (that is why the American PEOPLE agree on it en masse, even though the extremists and the politicians choose to get it wrong repeatedly)
Report Post »slimster
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 1:44amI’m from az, but I’ve been in Mexico for a while. Some parts of az are exactly the same as most of Mexico. It is dirty and run down. Really though, we shouldn’t have to focus on a fence like this. It is stupid. It fence would work, only if it really big and strong or if it is defended with guns and an intent to kill. I don’t think either of those things are going to happen, after all, we don’t want to be called racist any more for defending our boarders. What really needs to happen is a change in government and policy. We need to change our economic policies to match the constitutions idea of limited government. The Feds need to change their policies and actually get back to the constitution an focus on things they are supposed to, like immigration. If the Feds never created the federal reserve act of 1913, which was unconstitutional, the U.S.A. would not be any where close to operating as socialistic as it does today, nor would it be run by corporations and the free handouts they get from congress and give to some illegals to save money. Also, the fed. Gov. Is supposed to use tax money to handle immigration cost and pick the best candidates the will enhance society. Instead, immigration is handled like a money making business that just needs to make money to operate, thereby making it very difficult for people to come “through the front door”. We have created so many bad policies in the USA and they attract illegals to the country…. All I can say is I am excited for the newly elected tea partiers and I hope to see some good changes in the future. Maybe they can fix the problem, policies, and not focus so much on the symptoms, the boarder.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 1:59am@Lapob1
The “NO MORE ARE NEEDED” says it all. That is elitist thinking, progressive. Not American. In fact pretty selfish. You are no better then the humans looking for the freedom you were given thru birth.
That is not the attitude of America. Who are you to decide who has freedom and who doesn’t if one comes looking for it? Can you not share your freedom?
I do not support illegal immigration. I have to be honest with myself and in doing so I can clearly see progressive manipulation and influence thru our history in immigration policy.
Just do yourself a favor and look at the immigration policy thru history.
Anyone could be American and until progressives came in it just cost the way here. Progressives began limiting who came, restrictions by race, started charging, etc. I can’t support those any more then I support Income Tax, welfare, social security or any other schemes put in place by Progressives. I have to be consistent in my view. Hope you learn to do the same.
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 3:16amOkie, No the “NO MORE ARE NEEDED” says it all is NOT “elitist thinking”, nor is it “progressive” and it IS 100% American.
You wrote that it is “pretty selfish,” yet I would BET you that in YOUR own hometown there are people sleeping out on the streets that YOU DO NOT invite into YOUR home. If you are not “selfish” in what you AREN’T doing, then America is in NO WAY “selfish” for not allowing every person in the frickin’ world into the USA.
That PROVES you are a hypocrite in your actions compared to your words here, son!
You see, I AM VERY familiar with historical US immigration policy and you don’t know what you are posting about.
Controlling who comes into the USA is NOT “progressive,” as you have FALSELY posted here…it is as American as apple pie!
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 5:27amThere are 2 very easy solutions to this problem that would almost completely solve this problem.
1. Lots of people with guns on the borders with orders to shoot to kill. Is the government too burdened? Call the local militias into action to help.
2. End birthright citizenship for foreign nationals!
Call your governor, senators, and congressman to DEMAND that our borders be enforced and birthright citizenship for foreign nationals be banned NOW!
Report Post »taskmaster78
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 7:15amHow about a little razor wire on the top, that might do the trick, you think?
Report Post »psst
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 9:59am@Truegrit
Report Post »Many are wondering the same thing.
The fence is for show.That something IS being done. BS.
There would be razor wires,spikes and kinds of crap on top that fence.
Then again. Maybe the government is afraid if illegals get hurt seriously invading the country illegally, they will get lawyered up and w/ the help of the ACLU, bring law suits in the millions of $$.
I remembered a case 20 or so yrs ago. A family went on vacation. Before they left, the homeowner placed traps under each window.Along comes a burglar.Snap. One of his legs had to come off.
He sues. And won.
If this fence is so easily scaled, why the hell are we spending billions building the damn thing.
Just put welcome wagons along the border.
click4cheapandeasyweb
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 11:52amTrueGrit…
You know the answer as well as I do. The spineless politicians in D.C. din’t want any illegals getting cuts coming over the fence. How are they going to pick the elitists Arugula with cuts on their hands?
If someone would hire me to design the fence guarding our borders I’m sure I can build one that is not so friendly to law-breakers. Back in the day when we still had 8 track players (yeah im old as dirt) I always had to have the best players available in my car. Short version of a long story >>> I got tired of getting my 8-track players stolen out of my car so I came up with a fail-safe way to keep my property. After purchasing the best unit on the market I could find I took it home and soldered broken razor blades to the bottom, towards the rear of the unit. Before I destroyed the car in a wild accident I had 3 attempts at stealing my player. The players were intact but there was always blood to clean up off the floor and seats. My guess is that I convinced 3 people to give up stealing for a living.
An interesting version of that idea has been with me over the years, but you won’t know about its effectiveness >>> unless you try to break into my home.
Report Post »click4cheapandeasyweb
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 12:30pmOkie from Muskogee….
You are one very confused person. We already have the welcome mat out for those that want to immigrate. You follow our rules, you are welcomed with open arms.
Illegals are another story. I am a citizen and I am not allowed to break the law, so why would we allow illegals to get a privelege thats not afforded to our own citizens?
Clear headed Americans want the border sealed and I support that idea 110%.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 1:17pm@Lapob1
If you know history, you would no how dumb you sound. You are the ignorant, arrogant, self centered American the whole world hates. Why, cause all you think of is you and yourself. The Indians said no more of you are needed so take you and your family and leave. Wouldn’t like that would ya…dumbass. Who is the hypocrite? Indians said leave, bye bye.
If you would like to go over Progressive immigration policy thru history we sure can and I will prove your ignorance to everyone reading. Then you really will be the dumbass and for all to see.
As far as people living in streets…Blah blah distraction. They have a chance at freedom, just as I did.
Progressive immigration law has created the mess we are in now, FACT. And the mess will only get worse till changed.
Why do you not want others to join you in freedom here in the USA? But yet we will send troops to die all over the world in freedoms name sake.
You do not know how hard it is to become a citizen. Freedom should not be that hard to obtain. That’s my view, and being American I’m allowed that.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 1:28pm@click
If you notice I say I’m against illegal immigration because I am. I’m not confused one bit. I think all should be able to experience freedom.
My argument this whole time is the laws that have been made by progressives should be looked at and changed to fit the freedom loving country we are. I believe anyone coming for freedom should have it.
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 4:27pmOkie wrote: “If you know history, you would no how dumb you sound.”
After reading your above sentence, Okie, I “No” why “yu tink I m so dum”
Beyond your grammatical/spelling incompetence, you can’t even post a coherent (let alone fact-based) post.
Get this: YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO MAKE UP HISTORY AS YOU GO, Okie!
We on this board WILL hold you to the facts, not the lies you want to believe in and post.
And, you speak of hypocrisy, Okie, but then you wrote: “As far as people living in streets…Blah blah distraction. They have a chance at freedom, just as I did.”
THAT, Okie, THAT is the VERY THING many on this board have said of illegals, yet you think you can choose to apply it one place for yourself, yet not allow others to apply it to the wetbacks…you just gave PROOF of your hypocrisy.
You simply are wrong and you do not have the power to control TRUE Americans nor to alter history as you want to do, Okie.
Of course “Progressive immigration law has created the mess” but you are trying to make us wallow in the poo, Okie.
As to your statement that: “You do not know how hard it is to become a citizen. Freedom should not be that hard to obtain.”
B.S. – we granted citizenship to about ONE MILLION people last year alone…NO MORE ARE NEEDED (in fact, IMHO, that is far too many)
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 5:51pmLapob1
You did not bring one fact to your argument. Just your opinion and it shows you for the arrogant miserable misinformed ***** you are. Why use the word “wetbacks”? I’ll pray for you.
If someone who has an opportunity at freedom legally and chooses to live in the streets, that’s their choice, I can‘t fix that as an American otherwise I’m giving a man a fish. But as an American I can fix giving freedom to someone whom comes to the door and asks for it, teach them to fish. That in fact is my responsibility as an American so that Freedom spreads.
I said from the beginning, I’m against illegal immigration. I am 100% and until bout 6 months ago I was a wall supporter and about volunteered to join the minutemen I became so mad.
I then chose to look at history, our policy on immigration and what drove it. Once you take the time to do that, and be honest with yourself, you will see the progressive influence there. I can not support those laws. I think we can make better laws and need to do that.
Progressive law contradicts freedoms law. Freedoms law gives Freedom to anyone searching for it. Progressive laws pick in choose by race, creed, $’s, education, and any other divisive way. Which is our current laws?
You never said why you are mad people are coming to freedom?
Again, if you think we have enough “wetbacks” here and do not need more then practice what you preach, pack you and your family’s bag and make like a tree and leave. Being a part Native Comanche I think there is enough of you and your family so bye.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 6:50pmLapob1
My ancestry owned legally all the land south of Muskogee, almost to Durant. My great grandmother said she owned as far as the eye could see and then some. Government FORCED her to break her land up for you Settlers. Luckily she was paid a few cents an acre instead of just taking it. Then you settlers obtain power and make laws limiting people to freedom because they will “take” from you or you have enough and don’t need more. I do know history. You and these laws are the hypocrite. Learn true history jackass.
You are worried with illegals using your socialistic services, social security, welfare, now healthcare, and all the rest that I do not believe in as they contradict the view of the Constitution and my beliefs. If America did not have these services, everyone wiped their own butt, would there be a problem? So you are protecting, “no more needed” as you said, socialistic programs. You do not even know your own views, Jackass.
Know what you stand for before you release any more hot air, Jackass.
Report Post »click4cheapandeasyweb
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 8:20pmOkie from Muskogee
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 1:28pm
@click
I’m not confused one bit. I think all should be able to experience freedom.
——–
Nah, I’m sticking to my first observation. You are VERY CONFUSED, or you are a liar, which is it?
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 9:01pmClick
Liar about?
Please explain what I am confused on and lying about….
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 9:13pmAhh, so NOW we see the REAL root of your problem, Okie: you are a disgruntled Indian who lost his ass and is trying to blame the victors by playing racist political games in your posts!
As I wrote above, You would be well advised to NOT assume that my race is white, Okie…none of that trying to play the race card (as you are OBVIOUSLY attempting to do in your post towards me b/c you will be shooting yourself in your own foot.
Okie wrote: “Learn true history jackass.”
YEssum Kimosabe!
You need to visit a psychologist to help you with your many issues.
Fact is, this is the USA, NOT Spain or Mexico, so grow up!
Report Post »henryclay
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 10:24pm@Okie
Quit wasting your time with Lapob1. He is not trying to debate or find a solution. He just wants to bicker instead of find truth. Apparently he believes Mexicans are invading his country to take it over, when actually they just want freedom like you and I. Paranoid! I believe we can amend laws and fix the problem as well without a wall. My options are either take out the Cartels and amend immigration policy to lower fees, accessibility, and a lot more oversight. If we spend half the time teaching and sharing freedom as we did trying to keep seekers from it we would have a much better country. Your thoughts?
@LAPOB1
Report Post »Whether you like it, are too stupid to realize it or just a plain moron Okie is right. To become American in the past was simply finding a way here. Once you got here, Government gave you land. That is FACT. After this Progressives began to worry about natural resources, land and passing it on the their heirs so they limited who could come. That to is FACT. Neither of those can be argued. That is why you haven’t with Okie. This also make a hypocrisy of immigration laws now and of our Statue of Liberty creating resentment I saw earlier in the posts. When this country collapses LAPOB1, and it’s coming, you will have no one to blame but your progressive buddies who created these laws. A collapse is exactly what they want and attitudes of yours will give them just that.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 10:30pmlapob1
You have traveled so far from the topic at hand, progressive immigration law, it’s not even funny. Not points.
Nope not a disgruntled Indian, nor do I believe this land is Mexico. Im Part Indian, German, Irish, English and more Indian. Good try but wrong. Yes any person off the street is allowed in my house once they seek my door or yard. Per my faith, that’s my duty. Same faith that founded our country by the way. Be a servant FIRST.
I don’t care if your black, white or green. If you aren’t “Indian” your family immigrated here. Period. And per immigration rules at the time you were either a slave or an immigrant whom only had to pay their way here. Once here you could apply for the Homestead act. Government gave your poor, illiterate, sick, weak, and yearning for freedom ancestors free land. To share freedom, to allow it to grow. Soon after progressives began limiting by race, creed, sex, etc and that is wrong, PROGRESSIVE.
My point is that now that your enjoying this freedom GIVEN to you for FREE from your ancestry why would you in turn would not want to do the same. Is that hypocritical? YES!
The other point is the only harm, if you view it that way, is the use of Socialistic programs. The same very programs I think are unconstitutional and are schemes. Therefore, by not wanting to share your freedom with those searching for it means you are a racist or your wanting to protect the progressive socialistic programs already destroying America. You pick.
I believe Americans should share freedom, especially to those seeking it. If you believe you should wall up freedom and only allow people you like or who you agree, fine, that’s you. I’m not that narrow minded nor self centered and you do not represent freedom. You represent a controlled box, just like the government we have.
Yes it is wrong to come illegal. I think as American we can achieve better laws and that will only happen thru dialogue. Not name calling and gotcha dancing around the problem. Peace out homie.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 10:50pm@Henry
Thank you.
If we take out the Cartels we might as well take over Mexico and make about ten more states. I don’t see that happening. Mexico is a failed state so something has to be done there.
Amending immigration law to make citizenship more attainable I think would change a lot. I believe there would be a lot of great things come from it.
If progressives created these laws knowing it would cause an issue such as creating a in limbo group (illegal aliens) who would flood the very social services they put in place to destroy America (income tax, social security, healthcare) I say remove the progressive law and their plan will fail. Did that come out clear?
Thank you again for the dialogue.
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 11:34pmOkie wrote: “I don’t care if your black, white or green. If you aren’t “Indian” your family immigrated here. Period.”
AND if you are Indian (as you are) YOU ALSO migrated here, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PERSON HERE (unless you are so foolish as to ASSUME that God created your kind here and you have been here from that day, which is a crock of ____)
AND EVERY immigrant (Indian and all others) had to follow the laws that governed this land and that is what they need to do to this day.
If a Frenchman wants freedom, the answer is NOT for him to illegally move to the USA, it is for him to WORK IN HIS OWN COUNTRY TO FIX IT FOR HIS FREEDOM.
BTW – the ONLY ones who “created” illegals are the illegals who don’t stay in their own damned countries.
Report Post »henryclay
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 12:44am@LAPOB1
Is 1 million your magic number? How did your ancestry get here? If it cost nothing for freedom before why can it not be that way now? Laraza preys on the illegal aliens. Changes their view and tells them America doesn’t want them. That causes civil divide which leads to civil unrest which leads to country collapse, exactly what they want. The immigrants coming don’t come with that intent but after rejection by “the beacon of liberty” I’m sure they are easy prey for an evil group as laraza. Cause and effect. War of hearts and minds.
You are very wrong. Europeans coming to America killing Natives is not obeying immigration policy. Im pretty sure the Indians didn’t have that law. Today it would be called an illegal killing a citizen. Hypocrite. The last thing Progressives want is for freedom to grow. How can they stop freedom from growing? Think real hard.
I believe Okie was looking at the big picture, I know it’s hard for you to look past yourself, so your lack of contributing anything worth reading is understandable. An useful idiot.
Israel only has a wall because of the thorn put there by it enemies. (imagine that, Palestinians, really immigrants being used by an evil group to bring down Israel. Familiar? ) If Israel had it’s way it would have zero walls and rule all of Israel.
LAPOB1 going back to playing in your LAP OB1. Us adults are trying to save America thru civil conversations.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 12:58am@Lapob1
When natives came there was no policy. Good try. Easy way to solve, I’m for freedom and sharing it and you are for enjoying it and keeping to yourself. Your choice. Your FREE to think as you please. Isn’t it great!
What is it I’m lying about? Still waiting for that.
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:17amhenry, no one million is no “magic number,” but it shows the asinine views of you progressive/regressives who let FAR the heck too many aliens in and grant them citizenship. We do not need them and we do not want them in that large of a number.
My ancestors are of varied origin, but EVERY ONE OF THEM WAS LEGAL (ie – they didn’t come in against the laws of the land).
La Raza is a racist group that has been slowly planning the takeover of the USA for decades via the millions of illegals that come here every year, so don’t lie to everybody telling them that when we use OUR RIGHT OF COUNTRY-HOOD to protect our borders WE cause illegals to come here b/c we “reject” them – what a HUGE, smelly pantload of poo that is!
You put out broad categories, henry and write that “they” do this or “they” don’t do that. “They are NOT monolithic (look it up, it will be good for you). Some of “them” come to work. Some of “them” come to traffic in drugs. Some come here to escape punishment for crimes they committed in their country (they go to sanctuary cities here, then harm Americans b/c they are sociopathic). This doesn’t even include the HUGE group known as “OTM’s” (Other Than Mexicans) that pour across the Mexican and Canadian borders. Many of them are from the Middle east and are set on murdering Americans and various Jihad activities.
Bottom line: “they” aren’t ANY ONE single thing, time for you to learn about reality, henry.
Henry wrote”…Europeans coming to America killing Natives…”
I reply: Can you get anymore politically correct in such lies? You show extreme lack of grasp for reality/history.
Henry wrote: “The last thing Progressives want is for freedom to grow.”
I reply: you are correct, so why are you progressives that way?
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:27amOkie, are you really foolish enough to believe the Indians were mere savages who had no code of conduct? Do you REALLY believe they had no “laws” of their own? Of course they had ways by which people were to enter and traverse the land and they rightly expected said methods to be abided by.
I am for freedom in YOUR OWN COUNTRY…civilized people understand that concept VERY well.
Yes, the USA is “great,” but that entails following laws, otherwise there is no country called the USA.
The lie was what Click posted about: “You are VERY CONFUSED, or you are a liar, which is it?”
Here, for ONE thing, you have lied in telling us that only progressives have laws governing the legal entry and exit of the country, which is 100% false, America has ALWAYS had laws regarding immigration.
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:56amHenry, if you could actually read and evaluate words and sentences in a cogent manner, you would KNOW that “freedom” is not “progressive,” allowing non-citizens to run rip-shod all over the USA in an anitinomian manner, however, IS progressive (at least if the Progressives thought they could buy tons of votes by giving the illegals legal citizenship.
Also, before you spout off about somebody being “stupid” for calling progressives “regressive” you need to go to college and study some of the notable psychologists regarding that matter and the proper use of the words (obviously you’ve not done that one bit).
You still don’t grasp the concept of protecting the borders, now, do you?
Got an idea: why not ask ANY child what they do to protect their property while at school…they will fill you in on the basics that all the rest of us learned while our ages were still in the single digits.
You obviously still don’t grasp the meaning of monolithic, now, do you? Go back and have somebody read my post to you (perhaps they will explain the meaning of all of those pretty, pretty words for you, too).
You love the word “Stupid,” obviously…perhaps you are simply a ****** (they are mostly stupid and make no sense, just like you.
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:58amHenry, if you could actually read and evaluate words and sentences in a cogent manner, you would KNOW that “freedom” is not “progressive,” allowing non-citizens to run rip-shod all over the USA in an anitinomian manner, however, IS progressive (at least if the Progressives thought they could buy tons of votes by giving the illegals legal citizenship.
Also, before you spout off about somebody being “stupid” for calling progressives “regressive” you need to go to college and study some of the notable psychologists regarding that matter and the proper use of the words (obviously you’ve not done that one bit).
You still don’t grasp the concept of protecting the borders, now, do you?
Got an idea: why not ask ANY child what they do to protect their property while at school…they will fill you in on the basics that all the rest of us learned while our ages were still in the single digits.
You obviously still don’t grasp the meaning of monolithic, now, do you? Go back and have somebody read my post to you (perhaps they will explain the meaning of all of those pretty, pretty words for you, too).
You love the word “Stupid,” obviously…I suppose that proves how smart you are.
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:01amHenry, if you could actually read and evaluate words and sentences in a cogent manner, you would KNOW that “freedom” is not “progressive,” allowing non-citizens to run rip-shod all over the USA in an anitinomian manner, however, IS progressive (at least if the Progressives thought they could buy tons of votes by giving the illegals legal citizenship.
Also, before you spout off about somebody being “stupid” for calling progressives “regressive” you need to go to college and study some of the notable psychologists regarding that matter and the proper use of the words (obviously you’ve not done that one bit).
You still don’t grasp the concept of protecting the borders, now, do you?
Got an idea: why not ask ANY child what they do to protect their property while at school…they will fill you in on the basics that all the rest of us learned while our ages were still in the single digits.
You obviously still don’t grasp the meaning of monolithic, now, do you? Go back and have somebody read my post to you (perhaps they will explain the meaning of all of those pretty, pretty words for you, too).
You love the word “Stupid,” obviously…perhaps you assume that makes you smart.
Report Post »henryclay
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:44am@LAPOB1 aka STUPID
Freedom isn’t progressive. Didn’t say it was. Progressives restrict Freedom. Just as you restrict Freedom. Thus progressive influence in the laws you support. Thus you having progressive views on this issue. No one said allow illegals to run rip-shod all over the US, like they are now with a partial fence you support. Just look at laws is all that’s being said.
Using a Childs mentality for an immigration policy isn’t bright. Some would say stupid. You use all those pretty pretty words instead of talking subject at hand. Yes stupid I do understand. They all have searching for freedom in common. I try to K.I.S.S., keep it simple Stupid and talk to direct points. Solves problems. You put up walls and distract and do not solve problems. Be you LAP OB1, you believe in walls, your belief. Other people here in American can actually solve problems at a higher level then a child mentality and just build walls.
Raquel
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 12:13pmTo all you hater comments….lets fry up your balls and eat them with a little salsa….muy pica.
lapob1
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 1:48pmhenry, post again AFTER you have had somebody explain the difference between progressive and anarchy to you.
BTW – since you love calling other people by the moniker “stupid,” perhaps you ought to take a basic grammar class prior to proving your own lack of intellect by posting such gems as this: “Other people here in American can actually solve problems”
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:37pm@Lapob1
I know Natives were not savages, very sophisticated in fact. Honored for it. The FIRST natives broke no immigration policy, no one was here. Also smart enough to know relatives would follow. Yes they broke into Tribes, had boundaries and yes they took in and helped anyone seeking their help, even those trespassing. (Google Pilgrims and Thanksgiving) What do you think they are, savages?
Yes the US has always had immigrations laws. Never said otherwise. I did say Progressives influenced the law of immigration over time. That is true. Never said to not have law, just a better solution then a wall.
I agree with Henry, you are stupid and just wasting time.
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:05pmOkie wrote: “The FIRST natives broke no immigration policy, no one was here.”
Ok, Okie, so you agree with me that Indians were not savages…WHY did you ASSUME they had no policies regarding entry into the land they lived on? That is ridiculous!
IF by “natives,” you simply mean the first people to set foot on North American soil, then Ok. However, if you are saying that there was nobody here before the Indians, then you are ASSUMING that, since there is NOBODY that knows nor can prove that.
Finally, Okie, you have admitted to what I have been asserting from the beginning: “Yes the US has always had immigrations laws.”
Now, to follow by necessary logical reasoning:
1) Progressives were not in control of the USA until the early 1900′s or so,
therefore:
2) The immigration policy that the USA has a right and it is appropriate for us to control the flow of people across the USA borders is NOT a progressive thing…IT IS AN AMERICAN AND RATIONAL THING TO DO!
I agree with you: “you are stupid” and I agree with Click: “you are a liar”
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:07pmOkie wrote: “The FIRST natives broke no immigration policy, no one was here.”
Ok, Okie, so you agree with me that Indians were not savages…WHY did you ASSUME they had no policies regarding entry into the land they lived on? That is ridiculous!
IF by “natives,” you simply mean the first people to set foot on North American soil, then Ok. However, if you are saying that there was nobody here before the Indians, then you are ASSUMING that, since there is NOBODY that knows nor can prove that.
Finally, Okie, you have admitted to what I have been asserting from the beginning: “Yes the US has always had immigrations laws.”
Now, to follow by necessary logical reasoning:
1) Progressives were not in control of the USA until the early 1900′s or so,
therefore:
2) The USA has a right to create immigration policy…it is appropriate for us to control the flow of people across the USA borders is NOT a progressive thing…IT IS AN AMERICAN AND RATIONAL THING TO DO!
I agree with you: “you are stupid” and I agree with Click: “you are a liar”
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:28pm@Lapob1
Nope Indians were not savages, they feed and helped those pilgrims trespassing. They didn’t deport them and let them starve. If Indians did have “immigration policy” were the Pilgrims obeying it? Pilgrims were illegal stupid.
Lapob1 wrote:
Finally, Okie, you have admitted to what I have been asserting from the beginning: “Yes the US has always had immigrations laws.”
Said this from the get go, And to look at the progressive influence of the law.
Now, to follow by necessary logical reasoning:
1) Progressives were not in control of the USA until the early 1900′s or so,
This is a complete lie. Bull and mouse party of Teddy Roosevelt. President 1901-1909 PROGRESSIVE L-I-A-R
therefore:
2) The USA has a right to create immigration policy…Yes said this from get go
it is appropriate for us to control the flow of people across the USA borders is NOT a progressive thing… Talk about my grammar. How embarrassing for you. You are a hypocrite as well and gave proof.
IT IS AN AMERICAN AND RATIONAL THING TO DO! Yes sure is, but not in a progressive way.
Thank you for proving the Progressive influence since Progressives were in power at those times. Thank you for proving how stupid you are. Peace out homie.
lapob1
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:47pmSo, Okie: please prove that the “pilgrims (were) trespassing,” as you falsely asserted above. (This ALSO contradicts your earlier assertions that preventing people from coming into America is wrong (even “progressive”)…how is it that you lie about the pilgrims in this manner? Oh, tha’s right…YOU ARE a progressive).
You are obviously used to writing your name (ie – “stupid”) and you forgot that you are using the moniker Okie…Might be good for you to be more aware of what you are posting.
Interestong that I wrote that the: “Progressives were not in control of the USA until the early 1900′s or so” You responded to that by posting this: “This is a complete lie. Bull and mouse party of Teddy Roosevelt. President 1901-1909 PROGRESSIVE L-I-A-R”
Now, for those who can BOTH read AND rationally understand sentences, you have done nothing but call me a liar regarding the time sequence, then re-assert the EXACT time frame I posted about as true…you are psychotic, obviously (or, as Click wrote earlier, you are a liar).
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 6:06pm@Lapob1
Report Post »Pre civil war immigration policy was to just show up here. After civil war right before the 20th century Progressive began influencing all laws including immigration all the way up till now. This whole time I have said let’s look at the laws and progressive influence on it. You have argued with me progressives haven‘t and didn’t influence law. I have been saying they have influenced. How many changes in immigration policy since 1900? And you do not think Progressives influenced? Come on OB1, you really think there wasn’t Progressives before 1900? Maybe not by name of a party but wait, they have no party now either by name. They were here, Stupid.
You are what Beck described today, feel the anger, the dark side. You do not want to solve problems, you hold onto anger and only cause more problems. OB1, the force isn’t with you. Only your anger you said above we should hold onto, exactly what Beck said we shouldn’t do today.
You whether you can see it or admit it to yourself have a Progressive view on immigration. To divide or segregate who comes in here by Race, Creed, or anything else besides looking for freedom is Progressive as it Progresses past the basics of our Constitution, all men are created equal. Have a nice life holding onto your anger. See where it gets you, Stupid.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 6:44pm@Lapob1
Massasoit Indians were in New England when the Pilgrims showed illegal. Some hostile, like you wanting to stop and possibly kill anyone coming here, and some friendly, like me who try and solve problems by helping our brothers and looking at the laws that created this mess. If it were not for friendly Indians, Pilgrims would have starved. Just like the hostile Indians demise, your anger will give you the same demise. You can’t stop the flood to freedom. You have to be smart enough to realize that and not fight it but create good laws to preserve it and grow it. Not isolate and restrict. Big picture thinking. That’s all I got to say bout that.
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 6:57pm1). Okie wrote: “right before the 20th century Progressive began influencing all laws including immigration all the way up till now. ”
Okie, if you could read with comprehension, then you would know that I said that and gave the time frame in my earlier posts (but I did it using correct grammar).
2). Okie wrote: “You have argued with me progressives haven‘t and didn’t influence law.”
That is a patent lie, Okie and everybody knows it. PLEASE PROVIDE QUOTES FROM ME THAT PROVE IT IS NOT A LIE – IOW SHOW MY QUOTES WHERE I SUPPOSEDLY DID THAT…that’s right, YOU CAN”T DO SO, you big liar!
3). Okie wrote: “you really think there wasn’t Progressives before 1900? Maybe not by name of a party but wait, they have no party now either by name. They were here, Stupid.”
Yes, you ARE indeed “stupid,” Okie, b/c you have AGAIN falsely misquoted what I wrote (and your grammar is AGAIN incorrect in that sentence).
I CLEARLY wrote: “Progressives were not in control of the USA until the early 1900′s or so…”
4). Okie wrote: “You do not want to solve problems, you hold onto anger and only cause more problems.”
Ok, let’s see who it is that keeps calling the other “stupid” angrily…you’ve done it like 20? 30? 40 times.
Sadly, I’ve done it a time or two b/c I allowed you to provoke me with the TONS of times you’ve done so…anger?
Yeah, YOU ARE THE ONE BECK HAS DESCRIBED, OBVIOUSLY
5). YOU, Okie do not even grasp the idea/definition of Progressive, b/c you ARE a regressive/progressive.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 7:38pm@Lap ob1
What did you mean by below. All I was saying was Progressives influenced immigration law.
“Get this: YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO MAKE UP HISTORY AS YOU GO, Okie!”
Again, I do not know what I’m talking about when saying Progressives influenced immigration law according to you,
“You see, I AM VERY familiar with historical US immigration policy and you don’t know what you are posting about.”
I have only used your nickname given by Henryclay, Stupid, a few times and not once angrily but yet smiling and laughing.
“You speak of anger, EVERYBODY who is being invaded by enemies from other countries had better be angry”
Funny I never said angry in my posts. The quote above is you peddling fear and creating anger. Exactly what Beck described.
:-) have a great day Stupid.
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 7:42pmSince you’ve not dealt with the issues at hand, I will repost:
lapob1
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 6:57pm
1). Okie wrote: “right before the 20th century Progressive began influencing all laws including immigration all the way up till now. ”
Okie, if you could read with comprehension, then you would know that I said that and gave the time frame in my earlier posts (but I did it using correct grammar).
2). Okie wrote: “You have argued with me progressives haven‘t and didn’t influence law.”
That is a patent lie, Okie and everybody knows it. PLEASE PROVIDE QUOTES FROM ME THAT PROVE IT IS NOT A LIE – IOW SHOW MY QUOTES WHERE I SUPPOSEDLY DID THAT…that’s right, YOU CAN”T DO SO, you big liar!
3). Okie wrote: “you really think there wasn’t Progressives before 1900? Maybe not by name of a party but wait, they have no party now either by name. They were here, Stupid.”
Yes, you ARE indeed “stupid,” Okie, b/c you have AGAIN falsely misquoted what I wrote (and your grammar is AGAIN incorrect in that sentence).
I CLEARLY wrote: “Progressives were not in control of the USA until the early 1900′s or so…”
4). Okie wrote: “You do not want to solve problems, you hold onto anger and only cause more problems.”
Ok, let’s see who it is that keeps calling the other “stupid” angrily…you’ve done it like 20? 30? 40 times.
Sadly, I’ve done it a time or two b/c I allowed you to provoke me with the TONS of times you’ve done so…anger?
Yeah, YOU ARE THE ONE BECK HAS DESCRIBED, OBVIOUSLY
5). YOU, Okie do not even grasp the idea/definition of Progressive, b/c you ARE a regressive/progressive.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 7:58pmLapob1 wrote:
“2). Okie wrote: “You have argued with me progressives haven‘t and didn’t influence law.”
That is a patent lie, Okie and everybody knows it. PLEASE PROVIDE QUOTES FROM ME THAT PROVE IT IS NOT A LIE – IOW SHOW MY QUOTES WHERE I SUPPOSEDLY DID THAT…that’s right, YOU CAN”T DO SO, you big liar!
@Lap ob1
What did you mean by below. All I was saying was Progressives influenced immigration law.
“Get this: YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO MAKE UP HISTORY AS YOU GO, Okie!”
Again, I do not know what I’m talking about when saying Progressives influenced immigration law according to you,
“You see, I AM VERY familiar with historical US immigration policy and you don’t know what you are posting about.”
I have only used your nickname given by Henryclay, Stupid, a few times and not once angrily but yet smiling and laughing.
“You speak of anger, EVERYBODY who is being invaded by enemies from other countries had better be angry”
Funny I never said angry in my posts. The quote above is you peddling fear and creating anger. Exactly what Beck described.
:-) have a great day Stupid.
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 8:09pm1). Okie wrote: “right before the 20th century Progressive began influencing all laws including immigration all the way up till now. ”
Okie, if you could read with comprehension, then you would know that I said that and gave the time frame in my earlier posts (but I did it using correct grammar).
2). Okie wrote: “You have argued with me progressives haven‘t and didn’t influence law.”
That is a patent lie, Okie and everybody knows it. PLEASE PROVIDE QUOTES FROM ME THAT PROVE IT IS NOT A LIE – IOW SHOW MY QUOTES WHERE ISUPPOSEDLY DID THAT…that’s right, YOU CAN”T DO SO, you big liar!
3). Okie wrote: “you really think there wasn’t Progressives before 1900? Maybe not by name of a party but wait, they have no party now either by name. They were here, Stupid.”
Yes, you ARE indeed “stupid,” Okie, b/c you have AGAIN falsely misquoted what I wrote (and your grammar is AGAIN incorrect in that sentence).
I CLEARLY wrote: “Progressives were not in control of the USA until the early 1900′s or so…”
4). Okie wrote: “You do not want to solve problems, you hold onto anger and only cause more problems.”
Ok, let’s see who it is that keeps calling the other “stupid” angrily…you’ve done it like 20? 30? 40 times.
Sadly, I’ve done it a time or two b/c I allowed you to provoke me with the TONS of times you’ve done so…anger?
Yeah, YOU ARE THE ONE BECK HAS DESCRIBED, OBVIOUSLY
5). YOU, Okie do not even grasp the idea/definition of Progressive, b/c you ARE a regressive/progressive.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 8:17pmThank you Lapob1, you show yourself by resorting to reposting the same crap instead of facing truth.
I addressed the subject at hand and provided you with your own words. Sorry you do not like the truth. It’s still the truth. Deal with it.
From the first post till now, Progressives have influenced immigration law and we should look at them. If you agreed, then you would not of argued senselessly like you have. Have a great day Stupid. :-)
lapob1
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 8:32pmYOU, Okie do not even grasp the idea/definition of Progressive, b/c you ARE a regressive/progressive.
Report Post »lapob1
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 8:36pmOkie wrote: “You have argued with me progressives haven‘t and didn’t influence law.”
That is a patent lie, Okie and everybody knows it. PLEASE PROVIDE QUOTES FROM ME THAT PROVE IT IS NOT A LIE – IOW SHOW MY QUOTES WHERE ISUPPOSEDLY DID THAT…that’s right, YOU CAN”T DO SO, you big liar!
Okie wrote: “you really think there wasn’t Progressives before 1900? Maybe not by name of a party but wait, they have no party now either by name. They were here, Stupid.”
Yes, you ARE indeed “stupid,” Okie, b/c you have AGAIN falsely misquoted what I wrote (and your grammar is AGAIN incorrect in that sentence).
I CLEARLY wrote: “Progressives were not in control of the USA until the early 1900′s or so…”
YOU, Okie do not even grasp the idea/definition of Progressive, b/c you ARE a regressive/progressive.
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on January 6, 2011 at 9:01amHow about putting barbs (like on razor wire) on the poles. Then lets see how fast they can climb. BUILD THE DAMN FENCE.
Report Post »