Santorum Blasts Paul on 9/11 Comments: Stop ‘Parroting Osama bin Laden’
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Texas Congressman Ron Paul drew jeers during CNN‘s Tea Party debate Monday evening when the conversation turned to his views on America’s foreign policy — which he believes helped provoke the September 11 attacks.
Paul was promptly chastised by former Sen. Rick Santorum, who blasted, “On your website, on 9/11, you had a blog post that basically blamed the United States for 9/11– on your website yesterday.”
“You said that it was our actions that brought about the actions of 9/11.”
“Congressman Paul, that is irresponsible.”
Santorum also told Paul that he “should not be parroting what Osama bin Laden said on 9/11.”
Paul defended his views, however, saying, ”I agree we are still in danger but most of the danger comes from our lack of wisdom in foreign policy.”
The Libertarian explained that America could cut defense spending by removing the hundreds of U.S. military bases stationed around the world.
“This whole ‘Muslim world is attacking us because we are free and prosperous’ [theory], it is just not true,” Paul said, drawing boos from the audience.
“We’re under a grave threat because we occupy so many countries.”
But perhaps the biggest round of boos for the evening came when Paul said Osama bin Laden attacked the U.S. on September 11 because of U.S. military presence in Afghanistan and in part because bin Laden believed the U.S. treated the Palestinians “unfairly.”
(h/t: Mediaite)
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Bush Hating Conervatives make me sick
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:43pmRon Paul must be hanging out at Rev Wright’s church! Chickens have come home to roost! Anyone that thinks we deserved 9-11, is really Jacked up!
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:51pmHe didn’t say deserved. He stated their motives… IN THEIR OWN WORDS. You are a liar. Sheep.
Greenwood
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:55pmRon Paul is right we don’t need to be the policemen of the world
Report Post »dhuge67
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:58pmWhat Ron Paul did was embarrass himself and defame the United States Military. I say this as an active duty Army Officer who served in Iraq as recently as this year. I also survived an attack there. Ron Paul really upset me with his comments tonight. Not voting for him.
Report Post »eternalhostility
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:00amIf you are holding George Bush up as a conservative you are really in trouble. You should vote for Obama or not vote. Definitely don’t breed.
Report Post »ronpierce1
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:02am19 guys hit us on 9-11, we retaliated by killing hundreds of thousands, isnt this enough ?..Paul is right, its time to stop dropping bombs on other countries, terror is investigative type answer, not bombing nations type…you war mongers will answer to a God someday, do not act or vote from fear
Report Post »Libertarian
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:03amHe didn’t say deserve. lol. You sound bite conservatives need to pull your heads out of your butts. We will continue to get neo-cons and progressives as our nominee if many of you vote on charisma and sound bites.
Let me explain things from a libertarian (classic liberal) perspective so some of my fellow conservatives can understand the ideals of philosophy.
Frederic Bastiat said that “If every person has the right to defend even by force — his person, his liberty, and his property, then it follows that a group of men have the right to organize and support a common force to protect these rights constantly. Thus the principle of collective right — its reason for existing, its lawfulness — is based on individual right. And the common force that protects this collective right cannot logically have any other purpose or any other mission than that for which it acts as a substitute. Thus, since an individual cannot lawfully use force against the person, liberty, or property of another individual, then the common force — for the same reason — cannot lawfully be used to destroy the person, liberty, or property of individuals or groups.”
Having principle is about remaining consistent in our philosophy. If you as an individual has the right to give consent to who can and can’t come onto your property; does another country also not have that right? If an individual initiates force on you, do you have infinite access to his property? No.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:04amHe’s not a liar, you’re naive like Dr. Obstinate Losertarian. What Paul did was admit he BUYS Bin Laden’s excuses.
Report Post »Bush and Santorum are right. Of COURSE terrorists don’t say what their REAL motives are–those are either sub-conscious or suppressed–but make no mistake: terrorists hate the power that comes from freedom, and want to destroy it. They must lie to themselves and claim it’s not freedom, but oppression–but it is still against the ****** of liberty that they kick. You should talk to more purple-fingered Iraqis.
RepubliCorp
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:07amRon Paul votes NO!
Florida Republican Congressman John Mica offered the following morally clear Amendment (5/25/2011-H.AMDT.318 (A018) Amends H.R.1540):
Amendment requires that the rules of engagement [ROE] allow any military service personnel assigned to duty in a designated hostile fire area to have rules of engagement that fully protect their right to proactively defend themselves from hostile actions.
Pardon the expression, but WTF? How does Ron Paul explain voting against an amendment that allows troops better ROEs for their own protection?
Report Post »uhaveauniquebrain
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:12amIf you are going to criticize a great american, i request you at least give him the respect of quoting him correctly. He does not believe we deserved anything. Why did Osama bin Laden wish to attack the united states, well in his words, it was because we were in saudi arabia. Is that justification to kill 3000 civilians, of course not, but it was his justification. Wake up!!!! Its not a choice if the candidates are already chosen for you.
Report Post »IndyArmyVet
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:14amSo… why do you think they hate us? And why do more active duty and veterans donate to Ron Paul than any other candidate? Hmmm???
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:14amHere is comments from me – a rabid Ron Paul-bot.
It is indeed a complicated subject difficult to discuss in a few minute time-frame. RP was right citing what bin Laden and other muslims said. Santorum was right that we do not need to parrot bin Laden, but was wrong on the rest.
1) Muslim often lie for political purpose. Bin Laden used to work for CIA. We do not have to believe what he said.
2) If US bases in Saudi Arabia might sound reasonable excuse, Palestinian issue is not – it took 3-4 years to plan 9/11. In 1997 Israel was about to give half of Jerusalem to Arafat. Also Al-Qaeda has never attacked Israel.
True, Ron Paul has made a tactical mistake to focus on bin Laden rather than on the constitution. Libertarians are not pacifists. If people decided on a war, congress should declare the war, win it and bring the troops home. No nation building, no appeasement to Halliburton, CIA or trade unions at Boeing. I think people will understand that Ron Paul is right regarding defense vs militarism.
In conclusion remember the fact – Ron Paul was one of few politicians who defended Israel‘s bombing of Iraqi nuclear reactor in 80’s when USA government officially objected (because USA was arming its new secret friends at the time – Saddam and bin Laden.)
I hope people see that he is right on defense vs militarism issue.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:18amSantorum is right.
Report Post »It’s high time people understood what Ron Paul is all about… He is a pure Libertarian, and for those of you that don’t know… it ain’t good.
If you want someone to clean up the Fed, hire Paul, but you do NOT make him the leader of the worlds most powerful and influential country. That would be almost as bad as voting for Obama.
1TrueOne55
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:23amI agree with Ron Paul’s PREMISE that our bases in countries that we had basically defeated in WWII and then when the Soviet Union began to Usurp control of those countries that it liberated. We have basically over stayed our welcome. Especially in Europe and Japan. Since those areas are now either bound by the NATO Treaty and the Surrender Treaty with Japan to Ally themselves with the US for aggression in the future.
Report Post »But for now the only real need for US Troops would be Korea since the UN/US have not signed a formal Peace Treaty with North Korea and its aggressive tactics lead US Military to not trust them unless we have a physical presence.
Ron Paul is correct in that the Constitution does not give the Military the ability to base troops outside the US borders and that is all he is stating as facts. And if we bring the troops back to the US we can reduce the costs for bases over seas and then protect our borders better with keeping bases in the US open.
We could also task our soldiers to become the border security and they could deal with incursions across our borders.
Oh and Ron Paul is incorrect about Usama bin Laden was not upset about Afghanistan it was more to do with US Army troops during Desert Storm being allowed to be stationed in Saudi Arabia. Remember that the Kobhar Towers Bombing was in Saudi Arabia and Al-Queda’s first attack against US troops.
And I served in the United States Army
thepatriotdave
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:24amAnyone that supports and/or votes for Obama needs a psychological evaluation immediately!
The comment below wins the “Scariest Comment of the Evening”…
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Report Post »eternalhostility
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:00am
If you are holding George Bush up as a conservative you are really in trouble. You should vote for Obama or not vote. Definitely don’t breed.
blue_sky
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:26amDave (so-called patriot) is dreaming. If USA was in fact the “most powerful and influential country” it would not had borrowed money from communist China to pay for our troops. The empire is on its last leg. Anybody who supports Israel should understand that neo-cons and progressives alike made USA weak. When USA collapses, Israel wont benefit. With Ron Paul, everybody will be the winner, because liberty and free-market will benefit everybody in the long run, including the poor and disadvantaged compared to socialism, fascism, corporatism or state (crony) capitalism.
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:28am@1TrueOne55, the next day our troops leave South Kore, both Korea will compromise and sign a peace deal. Both have no energy and money (paper) to fight those wars against each other. They only fight occupation.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:28amIndyArmyVet
Report Post »Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:14am
So… why do you think they hate us? And why do more active duty and veterans donate to Ron Paul than any other candidate? Hmmm???
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That was the claim back in 2008 and it was found to be FALSE. The entire “the military is behind Ron Paul” was/is a hoax!
Imus B Crazy
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:30amhe didn’t say we deserved it…
Report Post »Nauss
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:31amRon Paul did not just draw jeers. WATCH the ENTIRE video, then judge. He actually got applause for part of his answer on foreign policy, but of course, the Blaze has become ant-Ron Paul.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:31amblue_sky
Report Post »Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:26am
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I am an eternal optimist and believe our fortunes will change rapidly after Obama is fired! We are one election away from being the greatest nation on the planet once again.
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:34amLibertarian,
Report Post »Your thoughts are well backed and well articulated, but they cleverly, carefully misrepresent the US foreign role, Bestiat’s historical context, and your own professed philosophy of classical liberalism.
The US is NOT the policeman of the world, but rather has the largest and most effective military and diplomatic influence with which to protect its own capital interests and with which to persuade an otherwise hostile world to permit at least some degree of free trade, peace, stability, and justice. Bastiat was addressing the first truly socialistic tendencies INSIDE France, and was NOT commenting on France’s relationships with other states. There is no sovereign body of international law to which to appeal for the defense of collective OR individual rights. The US must protect its own AND deal severally with individual states to secure the best guarantees of American-style liberties and defense of Americans’ collective rights possible given the general hostility to capitalism and republican rule of law in the rest of the world. A true classical liberal would agree that capital requires defense for the freedom of its flow in a globalized world, because not allowing it to go where it’s treated best is immoral.
Isolationism is NOT the solution to the human condition (or to America’s own problems), America is.
colt1860
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:38amThe bias in this debate has to be most shocking to any well informed and intelligent person. Here is a man that in all his political career, and the reason for running his first year, was to preserve our economy and restore our currency to its greatness. He has written bills to abolish the Federal Reserve, written a book to “End the Fed”, written and cosponsored bills to audit the fed, has advocated for a return to sound money (Gold and Silver Coin per the Powers enumerated in the Constitution), and has constantly questioned and challenged Chairman Ben Bernanke in numerous Committee hearings, and yet was not asked once in today’s debate about the matter, especially when specifically referring to it in a question for the candidates. All the other candidates have been parroting what Ron Paul has said and warned about in his past 30 years in office as congressman. In 2008, he challenged the Federal Reserve System, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, forced vaccinations, Executive Wars, the Afghanistan War, he promoted less regulations, lower taxes, abolishing the federal Income Tax, getting rid of the Department of Education and Energy, getting out of the UN, IMF, WTO, NAFTA, and was against a North American Union, and was called a kook, crazy and fringe. And yet these same issues are now number one questions and concerns to all these other candidates? No, they are RINOs and fake politicians who flip flop and change platforms to go with the crowds and get elected.
Report Post »robertbeatty
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:38amIn a May 1998 interview with ABC’s John Miller, Osama Bin Laden stated: “The call to wage war against America was made because America has spear-headed the crusade against the Islamic nation, sending tens of thousands of its troops to the land of the two Holy Mosques over and above its meddling in its affairs and its politics, and its support of the oppressive, corrupt and tyrannical regime that is in control.”
He went on to say, “If the present injustice continues with the wave of national consciousness, it will inevitably move the battle to American soil, just as Ramzi Yousef and others have done. This is my message to the American people. I urge them to find a serious administration that acts in their interest and does not attack people and violate their honor and pilfer their wealth. …”
Perhaps you should read the 9/11 Commission Report. This in no way “blames” the United States for the horific acts of violence, murder and terror that took place on 9/11; however, when developing foreign policy, should we not be aware of the possible adverse consequences or “blowback” to our international affairs.
When deploying troops abroad, as we now currently have military personnel in over 120 nations who are protecting our so called “interests”, would it not be prudent to conduct a risk vs reward analysis and convey the results to the American people.
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:41am@thepatriotdave, if you lie once, nobody shouuld trust your postings.
You said Military donations were in 2008 and found to be hoax.
YOU LIE. The information is part of the public record based on election commission that requires each candidate to submit the list of donors to prevent fraud. In 2nd Quarter 2011, active duty military donated to Ron Paul MORE than to all GOP candidates combined! And more than to Obama. FACT.
Report Post »In 2008 they donated more than all GOP and Obama combined!.
thepatriotdave
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:41amHappyStretchedThin
Report Post »Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:34am
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Bravo. Very well stated!
blue_sky
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:43am@thepatriotdave, more Bush=Perry ? No, thank you!
Pessimist is a well-informed optimist!
Report Post »Ron Paul 2012!
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:43am1true,
Report Post »I thank you for your service, and respectfully suggest to re-read section 8 of your Constitution which most expressly DOES empower the federal government to define military use OUTSIDE of the US.
blue_sky,
Your dream world fails to take seriously the Kim Jong Il’s of the world and the ideology that perpetuates their hostility. He hasn‘t toned down his military expenditures even in the face of his own peoples’ starvation. What makes you think he’d not continue their sacrifices and push ahead with military endeavors if the US left South Korea? The vapid but flatteringly naive platitudes of pure libertarianism, that’s what. Leave the foreign policy to the grown ups with experience dealing with the real oppression out there.
colt1860
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:45amThis article is wrong in saying, “The Libertarian explained that America could cut defense spending by removing the hundreds of U.S. military bases stationed around the world.” Ron Paul said that we should cut Military spending, not defense spending. Ron Paul is for a strong national defense. President Ronald Reagan said this about Ron Paul, “Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep fighting for our country.”
WATCH THIS VIDEO – Ronald Reagan and Ron Paul: A Comparison:
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmsP95Bl9pM&feature=related
colt1860
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:47amRon Paul’s foreign policy mirrors that of the Founding Fathers:
President George Washington said in his farewell address, “The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities”.
President Thomas Jefferson followed in his inaugural address, “peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none”.
President James Madison said, “If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.“ ”The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home.”“No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. ” “Of all the enemies of public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.” “The executive has no right, in any case, to decide the question, whether there is or is not cause for declaring war.”
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:49amblue_sky
Report Post »Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:41am
@thepatriotdave, if you lie once, nobody shouuld trust your postings.
You said Military donations were in 2008 and found to be hoax.
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NOT!
I don’t have the time to find it right now but what you said is exctly what was investigated and found to be FALSE! I will do my best to find tomorrow and post here just for you, ok?
Nighty-night
colt1860
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:49amRon Paul’s foreign policy mirrors that of the Founding Fathers:
President James Madison said, “It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad.”
President Thomas Jefferson said, “Having seen the people of all other nations bowed down to the earth under the wars and prodigalities of their rulers, I have cherished their opposites, peace, economy, and riddance of public debt, believing that these were the high road to public as well as private prosperity and happiness.”
President George Washington said, “Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty.” “The constitution vests the power of declaring war in Congress; therefore no offensive expedition of importance can be undertaken until after they shall have deliberated upon the subject and authorized such a measure.” “It is our true policy to steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world.” “Observe good faith and justice toward all nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all.” “My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth.”
Benjamin Franklin said, “All wars are follies, very expensive and very mischievous ones.” “Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:51amWho else would agree with Ron Paul on foreign policy?
President Ronald Reagan said, “A people free to choose will always choose peace.” “The defense policy of the United States is based on a simple premise: The United States does not start fights. We will never be an aggressor.” “History teaches that war begins when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.” “Peace is not absence of conflict, it is the ability to handle conflict by peaceful means.” “…no mother would ever willingly sacrifice her sons for territorial gain, for economic advantage, for ideology.” “We must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.”
President George W. bush said, “If we don’t stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, we’re going to have a serious problem coming down the road.” Before becoming president.
Alexis de Tocqueville said, “All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.”
F.A. Hayek said, “Emergencies’ have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.”
Report Post »CatB
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:55amHow about all the Muslims that are “occupying” our land ..??? Paul what about that .. what about Dearborn Michigan? And I caught what you said about supporting Palestine .. that is anti-Israel and we ALREADY have a President with that view .. we don’t need another one!
TEA!
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:57am@dhuge67
Report Post »Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:58pm
What Ron Paul did was embarrass himself and defame the United States Military. I say this as an active duty Army Officer who served in Iraq as recently as this year. I also survived an attack there. Ron Paul really upset me with his comments tonight. Not voting for him
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God bless you for your service, we‘re thankful you’re home safely. As for Ron Paul, he‘s definitely proving why he’d be almost as dangerous a Commander-In-Chief as the most lib opponent. (Look at what’s happening to our ability to defend ourselves right now!) On defense, I don’t see a whole lot of difference in him and John Kerry except Kerry hightailed it to VietNam, grabbed his medals, and rushed home to make all the fellow servicemen’s death of no lasting value in the eyes of the world, and encourage others to spit on and harrass returning vets. Guess maybe he’d be about a 1/2 step higher! ( My sister-in-law’s little brother came home from Nam and hanged himself 2 months later, We never figured it out for years because we weren’t told how they met & harrassed them at the docks!) Kerry and Fonda et al should have been charged with Treason and at least stripped of their citizenship & sent to their choice of Communist countries, PERMANENTLY!!!
Mil Mom
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:01am@Greenwood
Report Post »Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:55pm
Ron Paul is right we don’t need to be the policemen of the world
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Makes one wonder who he thinks would if we don’t, doesn’t it! Vacuums are what El Queda thrives on!
bruce_baker
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:01amHe didn’t say that it was justified at all! What he was doing was explaining what Bin Laden’s motives were; WHY the Muslims wanted to attack us.. Nobody does something without any reason, even if it’s a crazy reason. If we can understand these types of things, perhaps we can prevent or at least be forwarned of similar things in the future. One thing you can be sure of: Ron Paul always tells the truth, as he sees it. He doesn’t give the answer the polls say is safe, the way some others do.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:02amColt,
Report Post »You have a wonderful talent for cherry-picking quotations, but very little for understanding context and meaning.
Do you know how many alliances Jefferson entered into? Or what he meant by “entangling”?
What was Madison writing AGAINST?
Washington himself was a military general who defeated a superior military power because it got overgrown. Do you REALLY think the US today is acting imperial as George’s England was at the time? If so, Noam Chomsky and War Churchill agree with your use of Washington here, but Washington himself doesn’t.
Franklin was arguing FOR giving up SOME liberties, just not the “essential” ones when he wrote his famously misquoted citation.
Reagan ran down the world’s only other superpower by outspending it on military buildup, and by never backing down in his relentless philosophy of peace through strength. How you can cite such a man in defense of isolationism stretches all belief in your very ability to string together a logical thought, much less a coherent argument.
I’ll let those examples stand to discredit the other quotes you equally misunderstand.
colt1860
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:11am@Catb Sure. Play the anti-semite card. No. Ron Paul wants to cut foreign aid to all nations and put America first. He wants to stop sending funds to Egypt, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Pakistan, etc. He wants to stop giving money to Israel’s enemies. He wants to give Israel room to do what is appropriate and necessary without us interfering and giving money based on conditions. He is one of very few who supported Israel‘s decision to bomb Iraq’s nuclear facilities in the 80′s. If it weren’t for our involvement in the Middle East, Israel would have already bombed Iran, with or without us. Iran’s military is a joke. They don’t even have a missile or Air Force capable of reaching us here. Heck, the CIA has even said that Iran wouldn’t even know how to use and operate a damn nuclear weapon if it came to their possession. Israel has one of the greatest military forces in the world, and Ron Paul is the only candidate that trusts Israel to do what they must to protect themselves and respects their independence and sovereignty. He does not want us to be their nanny and telling them what to do.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:16am@ronpierce1
Report Post »Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:02am
19 guys hit us on 9-11, we retaliated by killing hundreds of thousands, isnt this enough ?..Paul is right, its time to stop dropping bombs on other countries, terror is investigative type answer, not bombing nations type…you war mongers will answer to a God someday, do not act or vote from fear
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Try telling that to the Fort Hood survivors, the many Recruiting Stations attacked since 9/11, the people on the plane with Fruity Loop, whose undies didn’t quite ignite, the shoe bomber, or the air port security people in London who thwarted the attacks over this continent with the liquids in the baby formula, the military men/women analyzing all the info on terrorists computers, and the people who thwarted the NY subway peroxide attack!
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UNLESS YOU’RE READY TO PULL ANOTHER HIROSHIMA IN AFGHANISTAN AND MAKE A POINT, WE NEED ALL THE DEFENSE SPENDING WE CAN GET TO KEEP THE BEST TRAINED MILITARY IN THE WORLD, AND BASES WE CAN QUICKLY JUMP FROM TO WHEREVER THE LATEST THREATS ORIGINATE! We get over it, when our enemies gain respect for what happens if they kill our citizens or allies, TILL THEN, WE’RE STOMPING OUT FOREST FIRES! (Not advocating another Hiroshima, that’s Adhminajahds territory!)
CatB
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:27am@Colt
We all know what it means when someone says they support Palestine .. and Paul is wrong on this .. we should stand with Israel .. and that is not something that Paul or Obama are willing to do … on that they are one in the same.
Report Post »Daniel909
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:35amWrong he didn’t say we deserved to get attack.He was just telling us the truth what was the reason for them attacking us.Don’t get it twisted
Report Post »Any_One_But_Obama
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:39amYOU KNOW THE BOOING THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT REMEMBERING…
Rick Perry was booed when he defended allowing illegals pay instate tuition and the Dream act that he set up: http://www.thedailycandidate.com/video/2011/sep/perry_booed_immigration.html
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:40am@HAPPYSTRETCHEDTHIN I believe Jefferson meant what he said. I know his biography and history of his time. According to historians Tucker and Hendrickson (1992) Jefferson believed America “was the bearer of a new diplomacy, founded on the confidence of a free and virtuous people, that would secure ends based on the natural and universal rights of man, by means that escaped war and its corruptions.” America became one of the most prosperous nation in the world because of its industry and trade, which expanded and had influence around the globe. Our non-interventionist (not isolationist) stance in the world made us one of the most admired and respected in the world. Thomas Paine, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and James Monroe followed this same drum beat, among other former politicians in our history. Jefferson dealt with foreign threats (Pirates) constitutionally. Ron Paul understands the threat of Al-Queada. He is the only Congressman that tried passing a bill to lawfully assassinate Osama Bin Laden and his minions through constitutional Letters of Marque and Reprisal. The US is not acting imperial like Britain did, but we will go broke and self destruct like Rome did.
Report Post »sambachico
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:41amWhy don‘t you look at our own CIA’s words about why we were attacked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udz5_FdoFGU
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:47am@HAPPYSTRETCHEDTHIN Franklin mentioned the phrase in his many public speeches and even in Poor Richard’s Almanac. In his time, he meant that colonists who would accept proclamations, declarations and a long list of other parliamentary acts without their consent did not deserve liberty. It was no excuse to accept tyrannical acts to avoid the alternative just because it was easier. Reagan was for a strong national defense, which Ron Paul is also for. Ron Paul is for non-interventionism, as were our founding fathers. Ron Paul is not for isolationism. He wants us to trade with other nations.
Report Post »Kalish
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:55amRon knows alot about the federal reserve and the economy and many other things, but he does not know that much about islam, the reason the terrorists do what they do, is because the koran tells them to, specifically the medina suras, hadiths, etc .. what about all the suicide bombers that have killed thousands of people in countries that have NEVER occupied arab lands ?
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:59amSummary of Colt’s reasoning:
Report Post »Context? no need for that, his words stand alone. Name drop, name drop, name drop. Ron Paul is Mr. Honesty (straw man, no one said he’s not, they just say he’s wrong and dangerous).
History lesson: Jefferson was in charge of the world’s only democratic republic, and was dealing with states with client states. From a NON-superpower status, he very constitutionally signed NUMEROUS treaties and non-aggression pacts with various foreign powers for various reasons (some even with the foreign powers we now call Indian tribes), all of which entangled the US in exactly the ways your “non-interventionist” ways naively refuse to admit work. You’re an isolationist in denial of the realities of the world and the consequences of your own childish philosophies.
Stop citing the founding fathers you know so little about, you’re embarrassing yourself and making those of us who DO understand history in its context cringe at your wildly misinformed misinterpretations.
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:11amColt:
Report Post »The 1759 An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania (whose authorship is apparently in dispute to boot) is a complaint to the king who cared enough to tax, but who would not defend his colonies adequately to the satisfaction of his subjects on the ground. The well-turned truism points out that safety should be the permanent goal of freemen (and freewomen!) who should therefore act to manage common threats (in this case: the Indians) for security’s sake without waiting upon a recalcitrant government, without which action freedom itself would be imperiled. In other words, the context of the quote is one of one branch of government chiding the other for NOT doing its job. Liberals and libertarians would have you believe that the quote was intended to stop the state from doing ANYTHING. In order to secure the Freemen of Pennsylvania better, the Assembly of the day would have had to go beyond its constitutional boundaries in protecting these frontier peoples, perhaps even restricting their inherent rights of freedom of movement, association, even property in the process. The Assembly stopped short of that, and petitioned for proper military protection, begging for the king to do his duty, pending which as many citizens were armed as could be. In context, this is NOT about the state overstepping its bounds, but rather about why the state should DO its protective duty.
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:15amColt,
Report Post »If Reagan’s “strong national defense” as you put it bears such a strong resemblance to your own and Paul‘s twisted interpretation of the founding father’s “non-interventionism”, how do you explain Nicaragua? (Watch, he’ll say he liked Reagan, except for that…)
I’m done. No use trying to convert the entrenched adepts…Neutral readers, truth-seekers, clear thinkers, you may judge between us.
colt1860
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:16am@CATB You’re spreading slander and misinformation. Ron Paul was not defending Palestine, he was quoting Bin Laden. He was informing the audience about the terrorists’ motive. He was not giving his opinion but pointing out a statement made by the terrorists. Former CIA Bin Laden Chief Michael Scheuer would agree with Ron Paul’s assessment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udz5_FdoFGU
IMHO. We need a candidate that puts the best interest of the American people first. Period. We do not need a candidate whose priorities belong to foreign nations and foreign interests. If your allegiance is not to the US above all others but is to another nation, then you should move there. We should not sacrifice the lives, honor and sacred trust of our troops for the benefit and interest of other nations. We should only engage in war (whether independently or through an alliance with other nations) under a declaration of war passed by Congress, as in WW1&2. We should go in, win, end the war and bring our troops home. Our troops should not be the personal army of another nation and be used to protect their streets and borders, at the expense of our wealth, National security and liberty.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:17amWhat did Spain do to warrant the attack on them? A question to those who think it’s our actions and the Jihadist are simply reacting to us.
Report Post »Bonnieblue2A
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:46amTime to clear up the lies of Santorum and several posters to this story!
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/09/12/ron-pauls-foreign-policy-would-make-america-more-safe/
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:47am@HAPPYSTRETCHEDTHIN Your attempt to sound smarter through name calling, insults and generalizations and missing the point of my arguments is silly. As I stated before, I know the biography of Jefferson and the history of his time. I do not need to be educated by someone who does not understand history within context and intent. To show how you have misunderstood or misread what I said, I’ll quote your argument, which actually proves mine, you said, “From a NON-superpower status, he [Jefferson] very constitutionally signed NUMEROUS treaties and non-aggression pacts with various foreign powers for various reasons (some even with the foreign powers we now call Indian tribes), all of which entangled the US in exactly the ways your “non-interventionist” ways naively refuse to admit work.” That is my point. Ron Paul is for doing what Jefferson did. Talking and coming to agreements or terms with other nations without the need to engage in wars, fights or other internal political affairs which involve us with wars or internal fighting (civil wars). Jefferson’s attempts were to avoid war and endless conflict. If there were problems, he believed in resolving them through diplomacy first.
Report Post »Libertarian
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:49am@HappyStretchedThin,
Bastiat in The Law, specifically, the quote I provided was referring to the ideals of law in general; it was in “Sophisim’s of Protectionism” that he spoke of a variety of Frances policies.
In my statement (with limited characters) I was contrasting the United States setup of military bases to that of an individual’s property. The basis of my argument was that we must treat an individuals property the same we do a foreign country’s. We must treat our neighbor like we treat a neighboring country. As Ron Paul said, do we want China building bases throughout the world? Philosophy is about consistency.
My thoughts were not misrepresentative; our 600 plus military bases worldwide do not protect or facilitate the free flow of goods. If an American corporation sets up shop in another country we no longer have jurisdiction nor can we provide safety under a different set of rules. If we intervene in the rule making of other governments so that WE can conduct business, then we are the aggressors. Justification for an American base in every trading country would be acceptable under this premise.
Our main sources of commerce, airports and sea passages are not under immediate (perhaps a few African pirates), nor require us to have over 600 military bases worldwide.
Isolationism is not what I or Ron Paul has suggested.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:52am“it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
Report Post »Libertarian
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:57am@Cold1860,
You are absolutely right.
Report Post »sissykatz
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 3:47amWell I am almost afraid to post my comment because of all the Paul supporters on here. I think
1Trueone55 stated more closely to what I believe. Except about Korea I don’t know enough to even comment on that. But I think we have overstayed our welcome in most places and I would prefer
they all come home. I think Paul has stated something similar.
I don’t agree with the way we have handled these wars. I agee with going in but I thought we should go in with everything we had and then get the Hell out. 10 yrs. Is ridiculous ……Rebuilding is ridiculous
trying to get them set up with their goverment etc is a waste of time and money. Iran will take that place over before we can fly all our troops home.
But Paul scares me to death with the Idea of it being OK for Iran to have a nucllear weapon. My God, they would send those things over here immeiately and get rid of the “Big Satan” and then go after
the “Little Satan”.
Except on TV at RAllies and debates where his devoted fans show up and the few on this site that are
Report Post »for him. I have never met a Ron Paul supporter in Person or ever talked to one.I belong to a Collectable group and we go all over the US. With all the times he has run for President I still don’t
personally know a supporter. Most people I know think he is a kook. He has said a few things I agree
with. But there is no way on God’s green earth that Ron Paul would EVER be elected President.
vindex60
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:15amI hate to contradict “Big Government” Santorum, but he‘s either I liar or a fool and I’m leaning towards both. Al Qaeda has not been been attacking us for our “freedoms.” They’re also not attacking Canada, Germany, France, Japan, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Mexico, Brazil and a hundred other countries for their “freedoms.” I’ll just quote former head of the CIA Bin Laden Unit Michael Scheuer: “On no other foreign policy issue since the Cold War’s end has the truth been so easy to establish on the basis of hard facts but so hard for Americans to see … that Muslim hatred is motivated by U.S. interventionism more than any other factor… Our growing number of Islamist enemies are motivated to attack us because of what the U.S. government does in the Muslim world and not because of how Americans live and think here at home.” Bin Laden made it perfectly clear in speech after speech — It was retribution for constant U.S. intervention in their “holy land.” Unfortunately, we are going to lose many thousand of young men and be in continued danger just like in Vietnam because politicians and the public would rather support a bad policy then admit it was a mistake. The irony is watching so-called “small goverment” Tea Partiers support Republicans who turn war into just one more big government program.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 6:30amfrom what I saw last night, Ron Paul does not have a fart’s chance in a whirlwind to get elected.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 6:40amI am no Ron Paul supporter , but we have troops in
Report Post »Countries all over the world, at the same time we are
Being invaded and colonized along our southern boarder.
I say bring them home or write us a check to cover costs.
WE ARE BROKE…. PERIOD
Detroit paperboy
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:14amIm no paul supporter , but we r broke !
Report Post »Bring them all home, put them
On the boarder, and if korea, japan , germany etc… Want us
to stay, then write us a check !!!!!
ShamanWorld
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:25amDo some research if you don’t think the USA “deserved” it. Killing natives Americans ruthlessly, enslaving millions of people for hundreds of years, nuking another country twice, using “democracy” as an excuse to invade and steal other countries resources……We do have alot of blood on our hands(collectively) and evil in our midst in this country. Anyone who denies this is the real loon. Intlife there are actions and reactions.
Report Post »bobcansee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:32amnice call DTOM_
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:13amColt,
Report Post »I’m sorry that you feel insulted when I demonstrate your illogic, naivete, and wanton disregard for interpretive rigor. You are a poor reader, and if you’ll listen, this can be remedied. The principles on which Jefferson operated are valid today, and of course you attempt diplomacy first, and of course you trade with and befriend other nations, but you misapply the principles if you don’t understand that the contexts are different between then and now. Jefferson’s America was weak and growing, but not in a position to exercise influence except in the most necessary and direct ways. The rest of the world left us alone because we were far away, and they had more interesting things at home. Today’s America is a superpower with an established democratic rule of law, that the rest of the non-democratic world would like to take down a peg or two, and they have the technology to hurt us wherever we are. But “entanglements” does not mean non-intervention. Jefferson opposed Napoleon with all he had, but all he had was diplomacy. Do you think for a second that he would have stayed out of the anti-Axis Alliance in Hitler’s time? Out of NATO in the face of Stalin? Jefferson would have been happy to use what power we have to influence, NOT FORCE, but influence other nations to behave peacefully–like when he outlawed slave buying, like when he did an end-run around the Constitution to make the Louisiana Purchase. You misunderstand my point, and Jeffersons’ actions
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:26amLibertarian,
Report Post »Thanks for your clear rebuttal, but you still misunderstand:
1. Bastiat‘s GENERAL context was France’s internal turn to socialism. His chapter on the ideals of law in general could not be thought, except in service of the larger more concurrent argument. You’ve extended those generalities to a situation he never intended them to cover.
2. I like the power of reminding a state that its right of force is to serve the individual liberties of its citizens and never more or less, but states are not people, and it’s dangerous to assume strict equality of rights between states in the way we do between citizens. We actually DO treat other democratic states mostly that way, because the states represent the people more or less directly, but most of the countries we deal with are comprised of states whose interests are not the same as their peoples’. The philosophy is not inconsistent when you distinguish between apples and oranges to compare.
3. You presume 600+ military bases are a waste because they aren’t needed to directly protect anything. That’s not their function. They’re there out of the logistical need to be able to project power anywhere quickly. It’s not military protection that our capital needs, it’s the THREAT of ENFORCEMENT.
4. Of course you back away from the term isolationism, but the consequences of your non-interventionism would result in the same thing: diminution of America’s power to influence moral behavior abroad.
rabblechat
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:30amRon is citing the reasons given by our enemies as to why they want to kill us. That doesn’t mean he agrees with them. If Glenn said Hitler killed Jews because he thought they are sub-human, would that mean Glenn thought that also? Of course not.
If you want to defeat your enemy you must understand your enemy and what motivates him.
Report Post »AQ wants to destroy us because we have troops in what they consider the “holy land”, our support of Israel and our propping up of governments in places like Saudi Arabia Not because we live in a “free” country…
I applaud Ron for having the ****** to speak the truth.
jenk99
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:35amIf we are to take “their own words” to heart when the Islamists say it is because of our presence in the Middle East, why would we not take their own words to heart when they say they want us dead because we aren’t Muslim? They keep saying they want the entire world to submit to Islam and they have no problem using violence to accomplish that. I am tired of the cherry picking.
I do not doubt that PART of the reason they attacked us we due to our Military presence in the Middle East. But that is not the only reason. They hate us. They hate us when we are on their land, they hate us when we aren’t on their land. Frankly, they just hate us period. To act like it is our fault somehow is naive at best and dangerous at worst.
Report Post »AZindependent
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:38amChina to protect their vital interest and trillion dollar plus investment in America sets up ten military bases in America with Obama’s permission. Attacks by loyal Americans known as “Militias” start on the bases almost immediately. After years of Chinese occupation of America on these bases, one of the more successful militias is able to plan an attack on the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Investments building in Beijing blowing it up and killing three thousand Chinese workers. The Chinese government have labeled the militia a terrorist group, and plan to bomb the state of Idaho where they are based out of. The bombing of Idaho is successful killing over 200 “terrorists” and 10,000 innocent civilians including women and children.
Should I continue the story, or do you Neocons get the picture? Dr. Ron Paul is right, we shouldn’t police the world, we shouldn’t have bases in 130 sovereign countries to “protect” our economic interests and one man’s “terrorists” is another man’s “patriot” or “resistance fighter”. Once and a while try to walk in another man’s shoes. I know if China set up shop in America, I would be the first in line to join the Chinese resistance fighters (and I bet many of you would, too).
Report Post »sbenton
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:43amI wonder if Ron Paul believes 9/11 was an inside job? Alex Jones, his biggest cheerleader, sure does. I have no use for any politician willing to throw Israel to the wolves like Ron Paul.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:24am@Greenwood
“Ron Paul is right we don’t need to be the policemen of the world”
That was the same sentiment prior to WWII. And it cost us many lives…
So who would you have be the policemen of the world? France? Germany? China? Iran?
Report Post »marybethelizabeth
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:35amMr. Beck declared Ron Paul the loser of the Republican/ Tea Party gathering.
Report Post »I don’t agree with Representative Paul on many issues. Still, it is very clear that Mr. Beck misstated his foreign policy position.
There is no truth in Mr. Beck’s analysis.
Mr. Beck declares old Newt Gingrich the winner because he mentioned General Electric. GE is a frequent target of Mr. Beck even though there are many, many corporations that don’t pay taxes. It humorous to just pick out one corporation as a scapegoat, but it is not the truth.
The most interesting statement from Mr. Beck this morning is he opposes fighting Israel’s wars. He no longer stands with Israel. Is his new posture sitting, crouching, or leaning against a wall for Israel; no longer laying down for them?
Force2bewreckin
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:38amIt it easy for Santorum to beat the military drum because his children will never have to sacrifice like military families do. It is easy to talk about war when you don’t have any skin in the game. Politician’s children who go into the armed services have token jobs atbest. Put his kids in the line of fire and I bet his ideas would. It is real easy to talk a huge game when you don’t have to get in the ring. We need to wake up and stop fighting wars for corporations and world governments. Ron Paul had it right. We would never accept what we are doing in the middle east here in the USA. “they hate us for our freedoms” what freedom? Between bush and Obama the have almost all have been taken away. Wake up Sheeple!
Report Post »TheWholeTruth
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:46am@DHUGE67 One thing you have to remember is that Ron Paul votes according to the Constitution. Now, IF you can find where in the Constitution CONGRESS has the power to legislate Military Conduct as it pertains to war, PLEASE show me? He voted against it because it’s UNconstitutional for Congress to make such laws. That‘s the President’s role.
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:55am@SBENTON
But you have no problem voting for a politician that will throw America under the bus?
Great logic.
Israel can and should fend for themselves. They aren’t weak. In fact, we hold them back. Let them do what they feel is necessary in their region of the world, that’s their responsibility not our.
Report Post »CulperGang
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:12amRon Paul QUOTED BinLaden as to why the Muslim world is inflamed by the US. OCCUPATION of bases all over the ME. Fundumentalist want Anglos out of the ME. Period. LOOK UP THE QUOTE.
Report Post »Paul is right; being all over the world is costing TOO MUCH. “Hearts and minds winning” IS BULL. Those people are centuries behind civility and don’t comprehend OUR VALUES. We in the US are left wide open to hostiles pouring across the border. Put the army on the border. Bring them home to PROTECT US. Let Israel deal with the ME. Let Muslims deal with Muslims. Let them fight for their own freedoms. Prescott Bush was one of the FOUNDERS of the NWO. 9/11 was about destroying the BILL of Rights, it is working. Kennedy talked about the “secret government.’ openly he was killed. George H Bush was in DALLAS standing by the depository building as a c i a officer on 11/22.
George Dubya is the POTUS on the day the Bill of Right and the Consitution was murdered. What coincidences, WOW. Wtc was brought down by insiders, traitors to the Constitution. THOUSANDS of ordinary citizens have come out of the wood work and have in their field of expertise, eye witness have DEBUNK the government lies. People that have NO personal benefit by saying what they are saying, In fact many of those people are DEAD via “accidents.”
Recently the majority of the SEALS that were at the alleged BinLaden capture died in a “copter crash.” How convenient. Everybody that knows the truth DIES.
AZindependent
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:53amGlenn Beck believes in the Founders and the Constitution, except when he doesn’t agree with them (call him Progressive). He said on one of his final shows on FOX he likes some of Ron Paul’s ideas, BUT…… There is always that “but”. He cannot fully grasp what freedom and individual responsibility means. Ron Paul is the closest thing we have to a Constitutional purist. Beck clings to the Republican “control” of personal behavior by an all knowing government.
BTW, I heard a local Phoenix radio show host ripping on Ron Paul this morning regarding the Bin Laden quote, and I quote him, “I don’t care WHY the terrorists attacked us no 9/11, I just care that they did it”. This sums up the attitude by the vast majority of Republicans. We kept kicking the bee hive, and we were stun a few times. We don’t care why the bees stung us, only that they did. In the words of Forrest Gump, “Stupid is as stupid does”.
Report Post »Gideon300
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:57amYou Ron Paul fans are as bad as Obama supporters….
How about we stop with all the: Osama Bin Ladin said X so that is why we were attacked. By stating this you show your absolute ignorance of Islam and Islamic tactics. Have you ever heard of Taqiyya? No, well in Islam this is defined as purposely deceiving infidels for the express purpose of furthering Islam. Have you ever heard of a man named Amin Al Husseini? If not, research him. He is the grandfather of modern fanatical Islam. He was a founding member of the Arab League and one of Hitler’s greatest allies. Have you ever researched the history of the Muslim Brotherhood, the terrorist organization that gave birth to all modern terrorist organizations. Husseini and the Brotherhood’s goal, wipe out the West and spread Islam for a world wide caliphate.
The fact that Ron Paul is ignorant and doesn’t know our enemies is sad and disturbing. Educate yourselves and stop being spoon fed by a politician.
colt1860 said that Paul’s foreign policy is closest to our founders…. ummm, yes and no. Our founders didn’t think with one head. Go research Thomas Jefferson and the Barbary War. Jefferson realized we could not be isolationists with a foreign nation attacking our interests and holding Americans ransome. Next, research James Madison (father of the Constitution) war of 1812. Not all of our founders believed in isolationism. Some knew it was detrimental to our survival.
Report Post »Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:13pmOh goody- now we can watch conservatives employ Saul Alynski.
Isolate and ridicule what we know little about. Ron Paul is right.
Report Post »We have jacked up most of our foreign policy.
We make“ allies” then they screw us over. Our drug policies contradict why we are in Afghanistan.
We are trying to redistribute democracy. IMPOSSIBLE.
Our efforts in Iraq is actually causing more persecution of Christians.
Our Conservative leaders are just as stupid and self serving as the Liberal ones.
With one hundred years of revisionist history do you all honestly believe they know what the heck the are doing?
Our CIA has the intelligence of a gnat. TSA is looking for Osama in granny’s panties and some of you want to label Ron Paul a fringe type???
It’s like Perry and the ponzi scheme of social security.
It IS unconstitutional, It IS broke and when it‘s my turn it won’t be enough to buy bread.
Since when is telling the truth scaring people.
The fact that Truth is scary is frightening.
republitarian
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:15pmGood points are made on both sides here. But I think we are debating what is, and what should be. If we did not have military bases all around the world, I would not support building them now. Maybe we should not have become the “policemen of the world.” But we did, and for 60 years it has been so.
I believe that this has resulted in a “Pax Americana” and the whole world has flourished during this time of peace much the same as in Ancient Rome. And we all know what happened when “the policemen of the Mediterranean” left the stage.
Maybe there are some places where we don’t need to have a military presence anymore. I don’t know. But I do know that we need to honor the commitments we have made.
Report Post »Malightfoot07
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:32pmI deff agree with you man , I just think it’s funny even if what DTOM said is true
Report Post »That Ron Paul believes Osama bin Ladin is a creditable source?!? DTOM look like your the sheep lol
Rowgue
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:33pm@GREENWOOD
He‘s right that we don’t need to be the policeman of the world, but he‘s wrong for saying that’s why the 9/11 attack happened.
The 9/11 attacks happened because radical muslims believe their religion should rule the world, and the US is the greatest hurdle to that goal. It’s that simple. It had nothing to do with ‘palestine’ or afghanistan or anything else. Those are just excuses they use to try to justify what they do so morons will sympathize with them.
Report Post »Seasoldier
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:18pmRon Paul would have fit right in with the 1930′s isolationists who insisted that we should just stick our heads in the sand and let Germany take over Europe and the Japanese take over China and Southeast Asia while we reduced our own defense budget to the point where our troops had to train with wooden guns instead of actual weapons. He certainly would have fit in with the Jimmy Carter administration that nearly completely destroyed our ability to defend ourselves while they got good men killed and let Iran occupy our embassy and hold Americans hostage for months. Ron Paul is a scary dude.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:49pmAmerica has become so arrogant it does not listen. This will be America’s downfall.
Osama Bin Laden said he issued attacks for occupying their holy land.
President of Iran said he will wipe us out for occupying their holy land.
Google it and see yourself, unless you are an ostrich with your head in the sand.
When China builds it’s base in Montana from the land it bought under agenda 21, don’t get mad, for it’s the same agenda we have used around the world.
Wake up before it is too late, or keep your head in the sand and take it in the rear.
If the Blaze had any integrity or honesty, they would post Osama Bin Laden’s words for issuing the attack. Cowards.
Google CIA on why attacks were issued.
It is everywhere, if you just take time to look.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:03pmRon Paul was correct and even Fox news said the same in 2004:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00.html
This article is from 2004 and quotes Osama Bin Laden directly and uses the same words Ron Paul quoted.
Americans have become that dumb. This is why we are broke, have less freedom and why our country will fail. Wake up idiots, wake up.
Report Post »EpsilonEridani
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:03pmRon Paul was right on the money regarding the reasons they attacked us, and if you actually did some research, you would find he is indeed correct. But instead, you and the others who booed, want to believe the USA is so great and they hate our freedom is the cause we were attacked. That makes the US the equivalent of a snotty uppity upper class woman stereotype who thinks everyone hates her because she is so pretty and wealthy, and they are all just jealous………
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:35pmIn the video, bin Laden accused Bush of misleading Americans by saying the attack was carried out because Al Qaeda “hates freedom.” The terrorist leader said his followers have left alone countries that do not threaten Muslims.
“We fought you because we are free … and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours,” bin Laden said.
He said he was first inspired to attack the United States by the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon in which towers and buildings in Beirut were destroyed in the siege of the capital.
“While I was looking at these destroyed towers in Lebanon, it sparked in my mind that the tyrant should be punished with the same and that we should destroy towers in America, so that it tastes what we taste and would be deterred from killing our children and women,” he said.
“God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind,” he said..
Fox News Article 2004
Irresponsibility is not taking responsibity for your actions, like Rick Santorum. Didn’t Glenn say we need to be responsible? But then the candidate he backs acts irresponsible. Shameful.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:51pmI hope this last point hits home; Agenda 21 is coming and has already begun. Montana or Idaho has already sold China land. Other states have proposals to do the same. As this agenda continues you will become angry especially when your not allowed on such land and see foreign military on this land. So angry you might decide to raise up “in the name of God”. Just think, people want to rise up now because their dumb enough to think Obama’s Muslim.
Read your Bible. Irresponsibility and arrogance destroys nations. Please God forgive us and please Jesus wake up Americans to see truth. May God help us all.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 3:30pmJeremiah 23:14:”…among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen something horrible: They commit adultery and live a lie. They strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that no one turns from his wickedness. They are all like Sodom to me; the people of Jerusalem are like Gomorrah.” Jeremiah compares the actions of the prophets with the adultery, lying and evil of the people of Sodom.
Ezekeiel 16:49-50:”Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.” God states clearly that he destroyed Sodom’s sins because of their pride, their excess of food while the poor and needy suffered.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 3:46pm@Rowgue
Your full of crap. Listen to the THREAT and the WHY.
You are the guy who runs to the police because someone shot at you. When the police locate the shooter he informs them you were trespassing on his land, tried to come in his house and refused to leave.
Who is wrong? They guy shooting because you trespassed and tried to enter his house or you because you were trespassing and trying to enter where you weren’t wanted?
Go ahead make my day law says you were in the wrong. No difference.
Also note the FoxNews Article quoting Osama Bin Laden and WHY he issued the attack.
Go listen to Iran’s President as to WHY he hates us.
Are you made China bought land in the USA and will build a plant guarded by their MILITARY?
Arrogance and irresponsibility doesn’t listen and do what they want saying they never did anything wrong. Wake up.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 3:55pmHey Colt,
Believe what you will about the Founding Fathers; as HappyStretchedThin noted, we were not a superpower then. But don‘t mess with Reagan’s legacy, you fool. Reagan was the antithesis of Ron Paul in matters of foreign policy. He MADE the world respect America. Add to Happy’s list:
LIBYA, dodo. GRENADA, lamebrain
We the rational people of America reject Ron Paul’s insane non-interventionism a la Jimmy Carter. We don’t want to see the 1980 Iranian embassy siege replicated ALL OVER THE MUSLIM WORLD, which is EXACTLY what would happen if that loon got elected.
LISTEN to Islamists for a change, instead of letting Paul brainwash you. They have unequivocally stated that they will DESTROY DEMOCRACY AND CAPITALISM. They have bragged that they now control Europe and we are next. Scr*w what al-Qaeda says. UBL became a jihadist-Islamist when he was a teenager. Study the Qur’an. If you don’t stop analyzing like a stupid Westerner, switch your mindset for that of the typical MiddleEasterner, and apprehend how they view the world and the afterlife, you will remain in the dark about the political forces at work in the world today. You may not realize it, but your ideological paradigm (non-interventionism) is as rigid as Usama’s (interventionism), which means you have already been defeated. Congrats.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 3:55pmHey GREENWOOD! I’m glad that we can agree from time to time :)
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:22pm@Kryptonite
You should be ashamed of yourself.
You come on acting as a Christian and then touts a World Government agenda. Shame on you.
You advocate a Holy War which the Bile completely teaches against. Shame on you.
Arrogance….You and those with you brings about the persecuting beast. Shame on you.
You are fake and phony and use God’s word in your convenience. God will punish you. Shame shame shame.
You are not Christian and you do not follow Jesus Christ’s words. You are a poser. Those plagues will be poured on you for your encouraging the beasts agenda. You have been warned.
Report Post »azjeff1963
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:27pmhey…..you can deny all you want….ITS not our responsibility to police the rest of the world…..and IF you dont think our government is corrupt as all get out then obviously your head is too far up your ass to count or figure it out….go back to sleep dip ****.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:27pm@Gideon300
“Have you ever heard of Taqiyya? No, well in Islam this is defined as purposely deceiving infidels for the express purpose of furthering Islam.”
Yes, I have heard of Taqiyya.
See here.
Taqiyya: A Concept of Deceit that Security Professionals Must Know
http://bigpeace.com/teamb/2010/09/22/taqiyya-a-concept-of-deceit-that-security-professionals-must-lnow/
(this misspelled URL is the actual URL)
(Continued on next post)
Report Post »azjeff1963
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:29pmAMEN greenwood….let the rebuilding of AMERICA start with him…..spread the word….Dr.Paul for POTUS
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:29pm@Gideon300
(Continued from prior post)
“Go research Thomas Jefferson and the Barbary War. Jefferson realized we could not be isolationists with a foreign nation attacking our interests and holding Americans ransome.”
The Phony Arguments for Presidential War Powers
http://www.tomwoods.com/warpowers/
“Another incident frequently cited on behalf of a general presidential power to deploy American forces and commence hostilities involves Jefferson’s policy toward the Barbary states, which demanded protection money from governments whose ships sailed the Mediterranean.”
…
“In the event of a declaration of war on the United States by the Barbary powers, these ships were to “protect our commerce & chastise their insolence – by sinking, burning or destroying their ships & Vessels wherever you shall find them.”
“In late 1801, the pasha of Tripoli did declare war on the U.S. Jefferson sent a small force to the area to protect American ships and citizens against potential aggression, but insisted that he was “unauthorized by the Constitution, without the sanction of Congress, to go beyond the line of defense””
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:31pmReposting. Geez, Betsy moderators.
@Colt
I edited that comment and toned it down a little, but pasted my rough draft by mistake. Sorry, man, I try to be civil to non-liberals — although you are pretty close to being one. Just sayin’.
I need to clarify one important point of contention: I am against “nation-building” when the enemy has not been defeated, which is what Obama is doing in the ME. The concept can be negative or positive, depending on how it is applied. “Nation-building” worked in Japan, because the conditions were entirely different. There is no way we can engage in “nation-building” under the current Islamist Spring. No way. But know this: Unless we get rid of Obama, we will perish as a nation, and Paul supporters will be morally responsible if they split the Republican vote.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:39pm@Kryptonite
Be responsible and truthful Kryptonite if you are the devout Christian you proclaim.
Reagan’s years included BACKING of SADDAM in Iraq/Iran war.
Reagan’s years included ISRAEL selling WEAPONS to IRAN for US in Iraq/Iran war.
Reagan’s years included using the money from ISRAEL selling IRAN WEAPONS to fund rebels in SOUTH AMERICA to overthrow a GOVERNMENT in which these REBELS SLAUGHTERED woman and children.
ISRAEL bombed IRAQ’S nuclear facilities and what was said by US? We CONDEMNED it!
You think Reagan made anyone respect the USA? Absolute LIE and the reasons above are WHY…..Are you blind, stupid, or just straight up lying? It is one of the 3!
Be not being truthful you yourself are a liar. NOT TO SPEAK IS TO SPEAK.
You are no Christian being an absolute liar. Shame on you. What a fake.
Report Post »azjeff1963
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:40pmgreat milmom….ive had four generations in the armed services….grandfather shot down over normandy….father and uncle in veit nam….i get your patriotism…..my falg fly’s 24/7….but how do you like sending your sons/daughters off to fight for $….and lets face it its all about the almighty $ and if you think its not…..get a clue. i would give my life for this country and HAVE served……we the US of A cannot sustain being the police of the world……we are bankrupt……..i have a son 8 and a grandson bourn feb 1st of this year………and i dont to leave this efed up USA to them…..LETS FIX IT.
Report Post »3monkeysmomma
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:51pmRon Paul was trying to explain the terrorist mindset but an intelligent explanation is lost in a sound bite world.
And he’s right, we are going to kill ourselves, literally and economically, trying to police the world and our enemies will have gotten exactly what they wanted.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:13pmJust listen to how hypocritical Kryptonite is:
Kryptonite parrots Glenn Beck that Islamist extremists want to take over America and we need to fight them. Then neither will admit why this Islamic war began, because we (foreigners) tried to take over the Arab world, thus leading to fighters against the USA.
Kryptonite keeps the same view as Arabs in the Arab world. Kryptonite doesn’t want Islamists taking over here and declares war. Islam Arabs in the ME didn’t want the USA to take over their land and declared war.
What is the difference?
It can not be any clearer then that.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:41pmOkie,
Carter was president when Israel destroyed the Osirak nuclear reactor.
Listen, I realize I offended you way back when we debated the issue of God’s covenant with Israel. I apologize. I don’t hold anything against you, Okie. I did not mean to offend. I am forceful when I spar over matters close to my heart. That’s all. Peace. :)
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 6:04pm@Kryptonite
Good try on trying to deflect. Your ignorance on a matter before has no issue here. The only apology needed is one to yourself for refusing to accept truth that doesn’t fit your agenda. Now, we see the same thing occurring by you again.
So be truthful Kryptonite and tell us what is the difference in your view of Islam coming here and Arabs view of USA going there?
Why are you encouraging wanting our troops in other countries when you do not want other country troops here? Is that loving your neighbor? Is that doing to your neighbor as you want them to do? NO. You are preaching opposite of GOD’S LAW.
Christians do not lie, mislead, or leave out facts on purpose. Any one doing such is not being like Jesus but being like Satan.
Be responsible Kryptonite as believers in Jesus should. Responsible means taking the blame, the fault, for ones actions. You clearly deny we have done wrong. That is lying.
You have been exposed BEFORE as YOU brought up and YOU have been EXPOSED NOW by CONTRADICTING GOD’S WORD. That is what Satan does. Wake up Kryptonite.
Report Post »ACLUHater
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:13pmPaul is an unelectable dunce
Report Post »AZindependent
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:07pmAl Gore has done more harm to America than Al Qaeda.
Restore America, Ron Paul 2012
Report Post »TotallyBelievableGuy
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:15pmNo, Ron Paul does not blame america, and that is far too quick a generalization, any dope can realize this.
At worst, Ron Paul is an isolationist.
Report Post »Anti-War Vet
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 1:49amAt no point did Ron Paul make a comment saying that we “deserved” to be attacked on September 11th. He was simply quoting the person whom the United States of America has said across the board was responsible for the acts and stating that not all Muslims are out to kill Americans. This is THE TRUTH! I have been there repeatedly, I’ve fought, killed and watched friends die, received the Purple Heart after being hit by an RPG and being peppered by shrapnel and thrown 20 feet through the air into a ditch, but I in NO way feel that every Muslim wants to kill Americans because of our cultural differences is what is crazy. What real life experience do you have being involved with Muslims? Probably none, so how on earth can you have ANY clue what you are talking about in this matter! Ron Paul stands for the constitution, wants to protect our country from top to bottom and stop giving people excuses to come and attack us. All he was saying is that by us being in 130 countries around the world we have given extremists an excuse for why they attacked us and will attack us again. You can fall in line with what big government wants you to believe or you can get off the couch and do a little research. Muslims are not bad people, in fact they are damn hard working and as we sit over there currently and abuse our occupation and take their lithium in Afghanistan, send DEA agents into homes and have people arrested and taken away from their families for 15 yrs. for growing pot, WE are WRON
Report Post »dwilco77
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 2:32am‘Let’s be nice to them and maybe they won’t hurt us.’
Report Post »Get this wimp off the stage. His kind of thinking will get us all killed. There is evil out there wanting us all to die. The best defense, is a strong offense. Fear of their own mortality if they mess with us is our best defense. Sticking our heads in the sand will not work.
A comment made by a radical Muslim at the beginning of our war in Afganistan was that they would win because ‘we love life, and they love death’. Therefore, I think we should go over there, and make them happy
IreBelle
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 3:32amRon Paul has never said we deserved this or that we had it coming. He is only restating the reasons the terrorists themselves gave. Ya know, from their own words. Kinda like Beck always preaches to do. You are entirely to dense if you can’t unterstand that 9/11 would not have happened had we not been involved in the dealings of every middle eastern country. Unwelcomed at that. He is not siding with the parasitic terrorists, he is simply being a realist. 9/11 was a result of our unconstitutional interferences in the worlds affairs. The only way this is going to end is if we start minding our own business and cinch up our own domestic affairs as well as get back to the constitution. And don’t misconstrue my point. I believe Islam is a hateful disgusting “religion” that was probably the work of satan himself. But 9/11 was not a result of muslims disdain of our freedom. Open your eyes people and see through the fog. LOOK AT RON PAULS VOTING RECORD FOR CHRIST’S SAKE. I can‘t understand how any conservative who has actually done 10 minutes of their own research couldn’t like Ron Paul. Your name sums up your depth pretty well though I suppose……
Report Post »Rmpltzr
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 5:03pmIf you were listening to his statement with the ears of another crappy politician then that is what you would have heard – that Ron Paul is the next AMERICA HATER in a long line… but if you were listening to the Ron Paul that is a true patriot and a writer of reason you would have heard something else: what he was saying was EXACTLY what Osama Bim Laden said was HIS reasons for attacking us, that we have our hands in “their” business. Ron Paul was not agreeing with the lunatic, he was simply stating facts. Ron Paul made a statement (not in the debate) once, saying (not a direct quote) “we are spreading ourselves too thin, and giving terrorist an open door to attack us, we need to worry about policing our homes before we send our defenders elsewhere.” He is right… spending so much time and OUR resources to monitor the other playgrounds of the world is leaving ours free for trouble.
Report Post »If you would read just one chapter out of any of his books you would see that although NOT made for public speaking, government and constitution following is something RP is great at!
uberninja101
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 5:16pmtelling you why UBL attacked us is like a sheriff explaining a murderer’s motive. he isnt excusing UBL or the murderer from blame. hes explaining why he killed those people. stop being an idiot.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 5:34pm@Steve Trying to fight terrorists in the ME is like trying to fight off every mosquito that irritates you. You aren’t going to win. Santorum’s policy is un-American in principle. He wants the US to go attack another Nation because of their religion and what they preach. An American would not assault a Muslim because of the religion he exercises or book he preaches. We Americans believe in the freedom of speech and religion for all people. You don’t see Muslim Indonesians trying to kill us Americans because of our freedom and wealth, although they have the largest population of Muslims in the world. We must pick our battles and enemies wisely. It is immoral and unjust to hurt innocent people and not expect retaliation. The end the does not justify the means, as many Communists believe. Sure, once in while extraordinary actions must be taken to terminate grand threats and assaults, but they should not be arbitrary and with no end in sight. The religion of Islam does not motivate all Muslims to commit acts of terrorism. We would not want others that see lunatics that kill in the name of Christ to label all Christians as violent extremists, which the uber left and liberal news media already does. We Conservatives should be beyond their deceitful tactics. I believe Islam is a false religion of devils. But even here in the US we allow the Church of Satan to exist. We should go after those in charge and in leadership of evil plots, through Constitutional means and the Rule of Law
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 6:24pmRon Paul is totally right on this , my God if any country (he referred to China) Bombed my
home town with DU I would do anything I could to destroy them.
And I can’t believe these Hate Filled Kill them all and let God
sort them out NeoCons would just sit by and do nothing if their town was bombed.
Iraqi citizens were bombed for NOTHING.
ARE YOU PEOPLE THAT STUPID ?
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 6:30pmUS invaded Iraq in 1990 desert storm 1
after we told Saddam we didn’t care what he did to Kuwait
The American ambassador declared to her Iraqi interlocutor that Washington, “inspired by the friendship and not by confrontation, does not have an opinion” on the disagreement between Kuwait and Iraq, stating “we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts.”
She also let Saddam Hussein know that the U.S. did not intend “to start an economic war against Iraq”. These statements may have caused Saddam to believe he had received a diplomatic green light from the United States to invade Kuwait.[20][21]
According to Prof. Richard E. Rubenstein, Glaspie was later asked by British journalists why she had said that, her response was “we didn’t think he would go that far” meaning invade and annex the whole country. Although no follow-up question was asked, one might assume that what the US government thought in July 1990 was that Saddam Hussein was only interested in pressuing Kuwait into debt forgiveness and to lower oil production.[22]
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on September 16, 2011 at 9:04pmThe Blaze will always delete you best most informative post, what are they afraid of ???
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:42pmWhat a great string of comnents tonite! Lots of “grrrrr” but fun. As stated many times, anyone on that stage would be better than that liar, Barry.
Ok, more “grrrr”…….
Report Post »crusinforgood
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:41pmThere was no U.S. presents in Afghanistan prior to 9/11 DR. PAUL!!
Too Bad Rick Perry doesn‘t have Newt’s knowledge!!
Report Post »The Eradicator
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:58pmToo bad Newt doesn‘t have Perry’s level of support, charisma, and truthfulness. I’m sold after tonight. Perry for President!
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:02am“presence” and yes we did… we tried the mujahadeen, that is bin laden, to defeat the soviets. Too bad you don‘t have Paul’s knowledge.
Report Post »eternalhostility
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:04amCruisinforgood – you do know that most of the terrorists that day were Saudi right? The Saudi’s practice hard line extremist beliefs like the Afgans – why aren’t we fighting Saudi Arabia?
Ron Paul supporters are not making excuses for why we were attacked all we are saying is you are picking and choosing never ending wars and it isn’t helping. If you want to drop a nuclear bomb on the middle east say it – advocate for it. Because that is all someone like Santorum wants. Otherwise he will be fighting decade long wars.
Report Post »The Eradicator
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:05amDTOM…
No, no…Paul can stay to himself for all I care. Guy’s a nutt. Seriously, a nutt.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:05amtrained*
Report Post »The Eradicator
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:13amYes sir, trained to think for myself. Paul is a loose cannon who would jeopardize our Nation’s security.
Report Post »Specialeduc8r
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:18amRon Paul is a kook. Guy has about as much a chance of winning, as well…Charlie sheen.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:45amThe Eradicator
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:58pm
Too bad Newt doesn‘t have Perry’s level of support, charisma, and truthfulness. I’m sold after tonight. Perry for President!
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It is waaay too early to be ‘sold’ on any one candidate. There is a LOT of campaigneing to go and we still may have some late comers to the party.
This is the time to be clear on who you DO NOT like.
This is NOT the time to pick your fav.
Besides, Perry is weak on Illegals. That for me is a “NOT like”.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:51amQuote “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.” End Quote
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:11amQuote “it is believed by NeoCons, that all Americans who have not have accepted their foreign policy are anti-American, that it was their right and duty to malign whomever they could find disagreeing and to make Enemies of all they could find dissenting, and that every Politician who should be for endless wars was sure to be re-elected.” End Quote
Report Post »Steve
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:22amcolt1860
Report Post »I posted a historical quote directed to the United States Of America. over 200 years ago. Your quote was directed to those whose heads remain in the sand.
colt1860
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:06am@Steve 200 years ago our founding fathers would not engage in endless undeclared wars with other nations. They would obey the federal Constitution and make a Declaration of War through the US Congress. They would, as President Thomas Jefferson did, write Letters of Marque and Reprisal, as authorized in the federal Constitution, to deal with individual foreign threats and assaults. Ron Paul understands the threat of Al-Queada. He is the only Congressman that tried passing a bill to lawfully assassinate Osama Bin Laden and his minions through Constitutional Letters of Marque and Reprisal.
Report Post »escape_from_socialism
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:48amTo all you saying Poul is a kook, loon, etc.. just go to books and do your damn home work!!!
Report Post »and stop being chicken s…t. We are Americans, we should be brave and moral, not a bully.
blaze7c
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:56amIt must be horrible to be scared to death by those Muslims. You people who bash RP on here are just plain ignorant. I guess you guys want a flip-flopper to go save us here and in the ME. Really, you guys must be hiding under your beds with the laptop to even comment on here.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:17amAfghans wern’t killing americans prior to us going there. Alquada was in afghanistan first to defend the afghans in the struggle against the soviets. Why would or should the afghans have a problem with them? They are empoverished and if alquada gave them money to keep bases there so what- why would they not? It doesn’t mean they knew or cared or should have cared about why they wanted training camps there? Are there militias training in parts of the US?Ron Paul told the unvarnished truth about alquada, the mass murdering americans ,their unjust policies which led to alquada attacking us to show us there are consequences for our unjust policies-that the days when we could act in the world without considering the reality of the people in whose lands our policies affected-were over. Acting in the world for our interests as opposed to the peoples interests with impunity is no longer a given. And he dared remind us of the fact that we ourselves atre guilty of mass murder.
TheWholeTruth
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:53amHave you never watched the movie “Charlie Wilson’s War?” We funded, armed and trained them for crying out loud! Then just left them, sorta. I can prove that what Ron Paul says is correct. The reason’s they hate us. Can you prove that it’s incorrect? How do you know that it‘s for the reason’s the GOVERNMENT says it is? You really trust our government to tell you the ‘why’ of things? Have you ever heard of a little thing called a “false flag?” Our government has used them over and over again to justify going to war. We keep sticking our noses in their business and the one thing all these places have in common is OIL. We aren’t in Afg. to fight taliban, we’re there to protect that pipe line they are building.
Back to the PROOF of what he says; read it in their own words of what they are teaching their 12th graders about the conflicts between the Muslim world and the West. DARE YA! Start on page 23 and just keep going. pg 25 is really interesting. http://palwatch.org/STORAGE/special%20reports/SchoolBooks_English_Final_for_web.pdf
Report Post »TheWholeTruth
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:00amROSE-ELLEN
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:17am
OMG! I never thought I would agree with something Rose Ellen said!!! But KUDO’S Rose, on this, you are right!
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:50pm@DTOM
Yes we trained them, so they could fight off the Soviet Union when the Soviets were invading. That was in the 1980s and we never actually had a presence there. We sent a small contingent of special forces to secretly train the afghans. We didn’t set up bases there, we didn’t keep a permanent presence there, and we certainly weren’t “occupying” the country.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 6:34pmcolt1860
I agree with you in respect to
” federal Constitution and make a Declaration of War through the US Congress. ”
What I don’t agree with you is
Report Post »Ron Paul understands the threat of Al-Queada.
WINTERSET, Ia. – Two weeks away from the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, presidential candidate and Texas Rep. Ron Paul says that U.S. intervention in the Middle East is a main motivation behind terrorist hostilities toward America, and that Islam is not a threat to the nation.
At a campaign stop on Saturday in Winterset, one man asked Paul how terrorist groups would react if the U.S. removed its military presence in Middle Eastern nations, a move the candidate advocates.
“Which enemy are you worried that will attack our national security?” Paul asked.
“If you’re looking for specifics, I’m talking about Islam. Radical Islam,” the man answered.
“I don’t see Islam as our enemy,” Paul said. “I see that motivation is occupation and those who hate us and would like to kill us, they are motivated by our invasion of their land, the support of their dictators that they hate.”
colt1860
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 5:39pmSteve
Trying to fight terrorists in the ME is like trying to fight off every mosquito that irritates you. You aren’t going to win. Santorum’s policy is un-American in principle. He wants the US to go attack another Nation because of their religion and what they preach. An American would not assault a Muslim because of the religion he exercises or book he preaches. We Americans believe in the freedom of speech and religion for all people. You don’t see Muslim Indonesians trying to kill us Americans because of our freedom and wealth, although they have the largest population of Muslims in the world. We must pick our battles and enemies wisely. It is immoral and unjust to hurt innocent people and not expect retaliation. The end the does not justify the means, as many Communists believe. Sure, once in while extraordinary actions must be taken to terminate grand threats and assaults, but they should not be arbitrary and with no end in sight. The religion of Islam does not motivate all Muslims to commit acts of terrorism. We would not want others that see lunatics that kill in the name of Christ to label all Christians as violent extremists, which the uber left and liberal news media already does. We Conservatives should be beyond their deceitful tactics. I believe Islam is a false religion of devils. But even here in the US we allow the Church of Satan to exist. We should go after those in charge and in leadership of evil plots, through Constitutional means and the Rule of L
Report Post »SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:40pm~^~v~~^~~v~^~
Ron Paul IS NOT a conservative. He is hardcore right Libertarian (borderline from Anarchy) his views from what I am seeing are even off the wagon with the TEA Party at times. I highy recommend listening to the Jeffrey Lord interview on Mark Levins show from Aug 25th, its HIGHLY enlightening! If RP gets the nomination I GUARANTEE all you Obama WILL HAVE a second term. RP CANNOT beat the BHO ELECTION machine. Read it again before you jump on me, the machine behind BHO! Heck anyone can beat BHO 1 on 1! RP is not what this country needs, put him in charge of the Fed and call it a day!
Paul as usual leaves out the crucial issue its US INFLUENCE on the islamic people that is a threat to the islamic extremists. Its our influence of FREEDOM and PROSPERITY on the oppressed people of the ME that the islamic extremists who want power and control over all that are threatened by. Yes Im sorry to say its that simple!
Report Post »Oh and Ron it didnt start in ’53 with our “blessing” of the Shah in Iran. It started turn of the century when Americans stepped foot on Arab soil. The hatred originated with the Wahhabia and continued on through the years as American/Arab relations increased which incited and angered the religious extremists… http://SavingtheRepublic.com
DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:52pmAn example is not “started”.
Report Post »eternalhostility
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:07amYes listen to Neo Con Mark Levin trash Ron Paul – I can’t wait until Romney who lost to McCain last time loses to Obama or better yet Perry loses to Obama. It will be great.
Report Post »Belteshazzar
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:21amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6YpP80_J5N8
Report Post »Tom Woods destroys Jeffrey Lord’s arguments.
colt1860
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:56am@SAVINGTHEREPUBLIC.COM You’re spreading misinformation, slander and hearsay.
In a 2005 interview, columnist George Will and William F. Buckley explained:
WILL: Today, we have a very different kind of foreign policy. It’s called Wilsonian. And the premise of the Bush Doctrine is that America must spread democracy, because our national security depends upon it. And America can spread democracy. It knows how. It can engage in national building. This is conservative or not?
BUCKLEY: It’s not at all conservative. It’s anything but conservative. It’s not conservative at all, inasmuch as conservatism doesn’t invite unnecessary challenges. It insists on coming to terms with the world as it is …”
Will then noted the radical transformation the right underwent during the Bush era: “But something odd is happening in conservatism. And we have a president and an administration that clearly is conservative, accepted as that. Yet it is nation-building in the Middle East. And conservatism seems to be saying government can’t run Amtrak, but it can run the Middle East.”
Will outlines an obviously un-conservative premise of the Bush-era right. Buckley would go on to denounce Bush as not a real conservative and, as early as 2004, would admit concerning Iraq: “If I knew then what I know now about what kind of situation we would be in, I would have opposed the war.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/25/was-bill-buckley-a-foreign-policy-leftist/#ixz
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:56am@SAVINGTHEREPUBLIC.COM Former senior Reagan adviser Pat Buchanan reminds us of his former boss’s more traditionally conservative approach: “[Reagan] took the world as he inherited it. His mission was simple and clear: Defend the country he loved against the pre-eminent threat of the Soviet Empire, avoid war, for time was on our side, and accept the assistance of any friend who would stand with us. Reagan did not harbor some Wilsonian compulsion to remake the world in the image of Vermont.”
Of course, Reagan was part of a generation old enough to remember conservatism’s origins. So was Buckley. In a 2007 interview with Townhall.com, just a few months before his death, Bill Steigerwald asked Buckley:
“You know who Ron Paul is — the congressman. He’s derided and discounted by many conservatives and his fellow Republicans as a kook. Yet his strong stands in favor of limited constitutional government, lower taxes, more personal freedoms and nonintervention overseas make him in many ways sound like a conservative of old — a Robert Taft, or a Coolidge kind of conservative in some ways.”
Buckley replied: “I agree.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/25/was-bill-buckley-a-foreign-policy-leftist/#ixzz1WH5EqeBi
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:59amRon Paul understands the threat of Al-Queada. He is the only Congressman that tried passing a bill to lawfully assassinate Osama Bin Laden and his minions through constitutional Letters of Marque and Reprisal.
Report Post »Libertarian
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 3:21am@colt1860,
Kudos. You have way more persistence than myself. It is exhausting fighting liberals in utilitarian debates by trying to move it to a philosophical one. It is even more exhausting seeing other conservatives use the same methods of debate that liberals do (defamation) to propagate their guy.
Keep up the good fight
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:01amQuiet the opposite, RP is the only Republican that CAN beat Obama.
You think any disgruntled democrat, libertarian, independent, etc will vote for Rick Perry? Nope
Guarantee you that RP will steal a significant amount of votes from Democrats. LIbertarians won’t even run a serious campaign. And you NEOCONs will vote for him too, because you have to (what, are you going to vote for Obama, come on!)
Report Post »TheWholeTruth
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:19amThe textbooks teach that relations between Islam and the West weren’t always negative. In earlier
Report Post »periods the West and Islamic world had positive interactions, with mutually beneficial exchanges of
ideas:
Most of the earlier cultures influenced one another… every side benefited from the
achievements of the other…
[Contemporary Problems, grade 12, p .91]
The causes of the current clash between the West and Islam are said to be:
1 European colonialism
2 Human rights abuses by the US and the West
3 International humanitarian law violations by the US and West
4 The “tensions # following the events of September 11# “; the European prohibitions of Islamic
Hijab headdresses in schools, the Danish cartoons of Muhammad.
5 The West is “not serious about having a dialogue” with the Muslim Arab world.
http://palwatch.org/STORAGE/special%20reports/SchoolBooks_English_Final_for_web.pdf
3monkeysmomma
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:57pmI think you are wrong. There are many independents, liberatarians, and even democrats who will not be able to vote in the republican primary who WOULD vote for Ron Paul in the general.
His biggest barrier will be the Republican primary.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:36pmLove your comment, KUSO!
Report Post »TennesseeConservative
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:49amPeople saying He has no chance are brain dead., Parroting the media. Who says so, who thought Obama could win? Stop following and start leading, vote for change. Ron Paul says what he thinks, like it or not. At least he has the courage to say so. The rest are looking at poles, and opinions before they speak. Have some courage for a change vote for Paul. Make the established canned politicians gasp with fear, OH NO, they wont follow us anymore.
Report Post »thajuggla
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:33pmAnyone who still believes the garbage of they attacked us for our freedoms need their head examined. This is why I cancelled my subscription to Glennbeck.com. I firmly believe in most all of what Glenn says, but when it comes to our Foreign Policy, Glenn, you sir just drive off the reservation.
To think that we have ANY business in other countries, just as we would think other countries have NO business in our country, is an insanity argument. To not read the words those people put up as their defense, and not head those words as we rightfully would our own is insanity.
To think that after 50 years of meddling in affairs that are not our own, and be obliged to do it is insanity.
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:57pmi call bs you dont have a subscription , neither are you a frequent poster here
Report Post »Giveitrevolution
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:20amthajuggla…Perfect comment!
Report Post »Alucard
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:21amYou sir have NO understanding of history. I mean seriously read a little of it outside of the 20th century. Do you honestly believe that it’s as simple as getting out of the middle east? Ever heard of Cordoba Spain or maybe Istanbul Turkey? I’m sure you also believe it’s perfectly fine for Iran to have nukes. You much like Ron Paul have a very limited and incomplete understanding of Islam and its history. I like Dr. Paul on some issues but his views on just pulling up anchor and hoping the radicals stay away is ridiculous.
Report Post »Specialeduc8r
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:25amAmerica is and has always been a positive force in the world. You make me sick you pathetic isolationist. People like you would have sat idly by as Jews were massacred. You should watch your words about America…
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thajuggla
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:25am@Specialeduc8r
There is nothing wrong with being a NON-INTERVENTIONIST. You should try it sometime. One question, were you the playground bully in grade school?
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:33pmI love ya Beck, but pleeeezeeee; don’t do the frog voice anymore. Yikes!
Report Post »Youthofthenation
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:32pmMr. Santorum would do wise not to repeat the mistake of our great Rudy Giuliani. Dont debate Ron Paul when you dont know what your talking about. Your just gonna get a buncha bare-knuckled common sense and honestly that gives every other piece of trash in D.C a severe case of hives.
Freedom is gonna win this one. Sorry guys.
Report Post »smartgirl
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:31pmWe have bases overseas because we have historically protected the interests of ourselves and allies in those regions and we do so by agreement. We aren‘t colonizing and we aren’t occupying. We do side with and are allied with Israel. It isn’t our freedoms that make them hate us; it’s that we are infidels; we’re the Great Satan. It‘s a religious war but it’s also a war to protect the franchise of the very wealthy leaders in the Middle East who have an interest in keeping their own people repressed.
Report Post »Kellyirishtoafault
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:44pmGood post.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:48pmWow that statement is so muddled with half-points all of which are neo-con. You actually managed to not provide one shred of backing and then believe it’s our job to disprove YOUR “points”. Shhhh… good sheep. Go back to sleep.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:06amWow! Ron Paul exposing the false self serving narrative about alquada and all those who resist our invasions and occupations. Thank you Ron Paul- The world and it‘s peoples don’t belong to us and we are responsible for the blowback we get-propping up dictators, and keeping military bases in their homelands, unjust support of israeli policies etc. That he exposed the fact that we ourselves are mass murderers [either directly like now or via proxy regimes] was courageous ,true and something the american people needed to hear.A rare thing indeed – a true blue american who wasn’t amenable to brainwashing!
Report Post »salmonslayer70
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:31pmRon Paul has been the leading force for our freedoms and liberties for the past 30 years he is a constitutionalist the rest of the canidates are frauds and part of the establishment the reason they attack Paul is because there afraid and running scared they try to twist his word we he is clear and precise in his answers and how he stands on them go Ron Paul
Report Post »Specialeduc8r
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:34amYou’re kooky and are hopeless…
Report Post »Giveitrevolution
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:38am100% correct
Report Post »escape_from_socialism
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:58am@salmonslayer70
Report Post »you are absolutely right.
I will make a scale of NWO complaint.
Paul 0%
Bachmann 10%
Cain 15%
Newt, Santorum, Huntsamnn, Romney, Perry 100% comply with NWO.
TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:30pmI love sheep; had lamb chops for supper this weekend. {:
Report Post »KusoJiJi
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:29pmsometimes ron paul is right on the mark, other times grandpa goes way off the reservation. i’d put him in charge of the EPA, Department of Education or any of the agencies that need to be downsized or eliminated completely.
Report Post »Kellyirishtoafault
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:54pmThere are many things I agree with when it comes to Ron Paul and he is even right on some of the foreign policy issue. I for one don’t think we should of ever of gone into Libia or chose a side in Egypt.
Report Post »It always goes wrong for us remember we were best buddies with that b as tard Sudam at one time.
However I don’t think he will get the endorsement either. I would love to see him in charge of the EPA and the FED so he could abolish both of them.
I also really like his son Rand.
cpowers
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:47amlol, how can you put someone in charge of what they would rightly abolish? I’m just curious as to the answer.
Report Post »eternalhostility
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:22pmRick Santorum is not going to win anything. Every MAJOR issue they discussed tonight was shaped YEARS ago by Ron Paul. Not asking him about the Fed is insane and shows how staged and rigged these debates are.
Let me break this down for you babyboomers, retirees and neocons. I want it to be very clear, because I think most of you think Obama is going to lose no matter what. If you do not nominate Ron Paul you will get four more years of Obama. Ron Paul’s base is a solid 10% of the Republican party. his supports own’t vote for a neo con or fake conservative – we either won’t vote OR those Galt enough will vote for Obama to teach you one final leason.
Romney and Perry – the two msm front runners – will perform exactly how the house did with last months vote on the debt ceiling – meaning they will do nothing and things will remain the same. The spending will remain the same – it might not be on pet climate change bs the left loves or the teacher union but it will be replaced with military spending. Unending wars. More TSA scanners. More security. The left is worse no doubt but a right under Perry or Romney won’t be much different than under Obama. They think they know more than you but they come at it from different ways.
To all seniors reading this, you vote neo con and you will be destroyed. Your grandchildren will be slaves to the Fed, the Chinesse and the governement. You will eventually be judged.
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:40pmRand can run HAS BETTER CHANCE OF WINNING !
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:13amIf Ron Paul does not win the nomination, I will be voting for Obama. That’s a promise. I’d rather an outspoken socialist remain in power during further decline of our nation then to have socialist-lite neo-con in office during further decline where conservatism will be blamed for our demise. They’ll blame conservatism and capitalism even further, making it less likely AGAIN to get a real conservative, constitutionalist in office in 2016 or beyond.
Don’t forget how many Libertarians, Independents and disgruntled Democrats who will vote for Ron Paul but not a neo-con.
Report Post »alamo
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:20pmSantorum claimed at the beginning of the debate that he would be the one to speak the truth; but it is obvious he refuses to see the truth in America’s role in creating hatred towards us. Ron Paul is the one speaking the real truth, contrary to what The Blaze claims. The self-righteousness has to end.
Report Post »eternalhostility
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:26pmI am a Paul supporter but I am not sure I agree that we caused all the hatred. But either way the solution isn’t never ending wars that cost lives and trillions of dollars.
We should re-institutate a draft AND make it required that each child of every member of Congress serve in active frontline duty. Meaning if you run for office and you have a kid and the Country is at war or votes to go to war (or just rushes into an unconstitutional war) your son or daughter MUST go fight. Literally fight.
If we pass that one little law they will carry Ron Paul into office faster than you can blink an eye.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:32pmI certainly don’t blame the US for 9-11, but I will also quote Mathew 5:9: Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.
Sorry all you Christians, but the Bible doesn’t say “kill your neighbor.” I’m not naive, but we owe it to the world to press for peace, rather than try to kill everyone who is not Christian.
Report Post »endgamer
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:56pmThat’s right JZS, War is peace.. Totally understand your logic.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:31amjzs
OK well that settles it. We must all submit to the ideology that is mandated by it’s pagan God to rule the world.
There will be no fighting back. Do not resist.
All homosexuals please line up for extermination.
All women please line up for for your proper clothinh fittings.
All young women between the ages of 6 and 12 please submit your names for marriage to your conquerors. Also we need you to be available for castration.
All men must pay the Jiza tax if not converted. If you wish to not accept Allah and his prophet please stand in line with the homosexuals.
That is all for now. More to come.
Report Post »AverageLibertarian
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:20pmPaul was right on the money with his statements. The truth hurts doesn’t it.
Report Post »conservative_teacher
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:27pmAgreed. 100%.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:00am@AVERAGELIBERTARIAN You know.. I didn’t hear Ron Paul say that he was for pulling benefits from illegal aliens which amounts to 338.3 billion a year.. and I don’t think that he gets what the Islamic agenda is all around the world. Do you? Paul calims to be a Constitutionalist..yet he doesn’t seem to understand that Islam is theocracy..not just a religion which has embedded itself into our own government. He thinks..if we leave them alone that they will leave us alone. Why don’t you ask the UK how they are doing with that idea? DId you see Oskar Freysinger’s speech in Berlin today? We are in deep. Doesn’t look like any of them have the answers to everything needing to be addressed.
Report Post »The Eradicator
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:00am*mouth drops to floor*
Look who’s calling who sheep?…lol, Paul supporters.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:20amPaul means leave them alone in their Countries. Paul would NEVER allow Shari’a to abrogate our constitution in any shape, fashion or form !!!
Report Post »They are a long term threat, but that is not why they attacked on 911. they attacked because of our invasions and cause of innocent civilians deaths.
Let there be no doubt that in IRAQ in the past 10 years we have killed non-combatant civilians.
Let there be no doubt that we will be attacked by 20+ IRAQIs that loathe us, years from now.
We are just fueling a FIRE !!!!
RON understands the dangers of their worldwide caliphate ideology.
He understands what TAQIYYA is. You probably do NOT !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY
He understands that eventually this will be a problem, but that is NOT why we were attacked!!!
It is a lie, propagandized by the Main stream media, which is owned by the global elite.
IT IS THAT SIMPLE !!!!!
Nauss
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:29amRon Paul is right as usual. If people think we should polce the world and nation build, then they are dumb as a rock. BRING THE TROOPS HOME AND END THE WARS!
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:32amRon Paul has made a tactical mistake to focus on bin Laden rather than on the constitution. Libertarians are not pacifists. If people decided on a war, congress should declare the war, win it and bring the troops home. No nation building, no appeasement to Halliburton, CIA or trade unions at Boeing.
I hope people see that Ron Paul is right on defense vs militarism issue, about detriment of expending the empire and cost it brings to our taxpayers.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:34am@ashestoashes
I haven‘t heard any politician pledge to cut the illegal’s 300+ billion in benefits.
Report Post »Giveitrevolution
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:35amAverageLibertarian…
Report Post »Excellent!
ashestoashes
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:07am@ Problem Solver..I don’t think that she got that chance tonight..so I looked up her platform and she is for pulling all benefits from them. That would go a long way for helping with our deficit. That border fence building is not going to work and will cost a fortune. If we pull their reason for being here, they are more likely to leave. We need someone who will go about everything in a no nonsense logical, intelligent way. Get rid of Supreme Court judges who don’t work in our best interests and root our enemies in our government. I know a retired General and he thinks its imperative that we have bases all around the world for security. He fought in World War 2. I don’t know. The figues for costs for illegals came from an environmentalist friend. .
Report Post »Daniel909
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:33am100% agreed The truth hurts.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:41amProbIemSoIver
RON understands the dangers of their worldwide caliphate ideology.
I respectfully disagree.
WINTERSET, Ia. – Two weeks away from the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, presidential candidate and Texas Rep. Ron Paul says that U.S. intervention in the Middle East is a main motivation behind terrorist hostilities toward America, and that Islam is not a threat to the nation.
Report Post »At a campaign stop on Saturday in Winterset, one man asked Paul how terrorist groups would react if the U.S. removed its military presence in Middle Eastern nations, a move the candidate advocates.
“Which enemy are you worried that will attack our national security?” Paul asked.
“If you’re looking for specifics, I’m talking about Islam. Radical Islam,” the man answered.
“I don’t see Islam as our enemy,” Paul said. “I see that motivation is occupation and those who hate us and would like to kill us, they are motivated by our invasion of their land, the support of their dictators that they hate.”
Steve
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:43amProbIemSoIver
I respectfully disagree.
Paul cited a University of Chicago professor, Robert Pape, whose research argues that most of the suicide terrorism in the past 30 years was caused by military occupation. Pape’s research, funded by the Defense Department, shows that suicide bombings in Afghanistan went up one third after the Obama administration surged 30,000 troops into the country.
Not only is Pape wrong; he’s on the dole of Hamas-linked CAIR
When CAIR cofounder and longtime Board chairman Omar Ahmad said in southern California that “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth”
Report Post »“After 9/11, (people said) ‘Oh yeah, it’s those very bad people who hate us,’ but 15 of (the hijackers) came from Saudi Arabia,” said Paul. “One of the reasons they attacked us, is we propped up this Sharia government and the fundamentalists hated us for it.”
Paul is totally clueless. They attacked us because we were propping up a “Sharia government” and “the fundamentalists hated us for it”? Since when do Islamic “fundamentalists” disapprove of Sharia governments? They attacked us, according to Osama bin Laden, because, among other reasons, we were in his view “prevent[ing] our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah,” not propping up a Sharia state.
RepubliCorp
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:36amRon Paul’s vote of YES on investigating Bush impeachment for lying about Iraq in 2008. First, Bush and his administration were very careful about their statements on affiliations between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Second, evidence supports these claims even if they were made as well as Iraq’s support of numerous other terrorist organizations. Denying this fact does not make it any less true. Third, information from intelligence agencies all over the world agreed with the threat that existed. Decisions were made based upon this intelligence, they were not lies. And lastly, this evidence was not something that was cooked up by “Neocons to start a war” as Ron Paul would say. The issue of Iraq has existed and been discussed for over 2 decades so the only reasonable explanation for such a vote would be if you believed in some type of 2 decade long conspiracy. So does Ron Paul really believe that or did he just make another dangerous politically motivated vote. I will let you decide on that one.
Report Post »UrsaMajor
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:16pmI believe that Ron Paul is correct in taking the words of Radical Islamic Fascists at face value.
Worked just swell for Chamberlain.
Report Post »WATCHMAN15
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:19pmWow! Paul is parroting bin Laden and the boos of the audience demonstrate that the people know it.
Report Post »alamo
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:21pmRon paul was quoting what Bin Laden said was the reason for Al Qieda’s attacks against America. Why would Bin Laden bother to lie about why he attacked the U.S.?
Report Post »eternalhostility
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:28pmYou should write Santorum’s name in when you vote in 2012 – just because anyone running against Obama will beat him.
It’s going to be funny watching you all deal with another 4 years for a socialist because you hate hate hate the only true conservative and constitutional candidate running – RON PAUL.
Report Post »Master_and_Commander
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:02amfunny how Ron Paul supporters would like to just dismiss the fact that these same radicals also have made innumerable very public threats against us not because we have bases there, but because the American culture is directly antithetical to their culture of hate. Try explaining that away Ron Paul, or are you just gona continue to bury your head in the sand by blaming the US like everyone else likes to do these days…
Report Post »The Eradicator
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:09amAlamo,
This is the reason I am scared people like u get to vote. Get a clue man. Islamic extremists HATE us and our way of life. Period.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:44amThe boos were coming from the Neo-Con “conservatives”.
Report Post »They are FOX sheeple, that haven’t yet realized that FOX is MSM.
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:48amWatch for this booing incident to dominate the global elite’s MSM outlets tomorrow, trying to make Paul look bad because a handful of FOX sheeple neocons went ‘baahaah’ !!!
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:18pmI know one guy–one guy, who wants Ron Paul as prez. I have a radio show–I ask people who they like. I’m in a small town of 500k but one guy–likes Paul I‘m convinced he’s got worker bees on this site, at debates, etc. He is soooo unelectable.
Report Post »TINFOIL HATS
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:18pmthe majority of you are SHEEP…..we call you sheeple…….you will only do something if someone else does it first….they will come for your guns and they will continue to rape you with taxes and regulations and you will continue to vote the status quo and then one day you will wake up and realize that the America you grew up in no longer exists because you sat back and took it while they raped you over and over and over until you started to like it and you know what…. you deserve what is coming to you…enslavement at your own hands…..what you don’t understand is that “Don’t tread on me” isn’t a T-Shirt for you to wear on the way to you AARP meeting…….. It is a direct warning to the government, I hope all of you realize that it IS going to take blood in the streets before anything at all will ever really change, I love Glen Beck with all my heart but like Rambo said to the missionaries on their way up river “ Are you bringing any weapons”, he asked, ” No, of course not” the little liberal man answered, “Then you’re not going to change a thing”, he answered.
Report Post »eternalhostility
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:36pmTinfoilhat – great commen about Don’t Tread on Me and AARP – these people have no idea. They really think Perry or Romney will change things. How did Bohner change things will the debt limit? How did that work out? How he slowed the rate of growth – that is pathetic. They don’t get it, they don’t understand the constitution. Half of them think the second amendment is about hunting and the other half think the fourth amendment doesn’t count if the goverment is “keeping them safe.”
They 100% deserve what they are going to get. The boomers deserve the HATRED their grandchildren will show to them. I have a young son. My parents are boomers. They aren‘t liberal in any way but they also don’t understand things and they think stuff like ending the Fed is extreme. When I was young I looked up to my Grandparents. I will assure you my son will not look up to his grandparents. Their views will be belittled when he is older. They are to blame for ruining the republic – this is how the people that know in my generation think. So boomers need to ask themselves if they feel lucky.
Report Post »adjams
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:37pmyou listen to the survival podcast dont you…
Report Post »Doc Gunz
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:45pmHooRah! Tinfoil Hats. Well said, I believe that people who think otherwise for the most part have not seen the rest of the world with their own eyes. “Dont Tread On Me” take away our right ro firearms and the goverment has an open door to do whatever they want. Similar to events that happend all over the world most noteable in Germany. To say that cant happen hear because this is America is just horrible ignorance. Freedom is not free and it is up to every generation to ensure that it continues and we are “dropping the ball”.
Report Post »TINFOIL HATS
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:15pmHere we go,,,,,,,now everybody is going to start defending our foreign policies just because Santorum beat the 9-11 drum……..yep….. thats right…..we were attacked for absolutly nooooooooooooooooooooooooo reason whatsoever……we have every right to be in 130 countries, and that had nothing to do with it whatsoever, right? Hey guys….. heres an idea….. lets just keep rolling on as buisness as usual and we will see if we still have our country in 5 years…….keep up the status quo establishment sheeple
Report Post »Master_and_Commander
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:58pmOH, hey TINFOIL HATS, here’s an idea!
Maybe you and all your little libertarian buddies should wake up out of your libertarian paradise fantasy, AND ADMIT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE RADICAL ISLAMIST ORGANIZATIONS WHO WANT TO DEFEAT THE UNITED STATES SOLELY BECAUSE WE ARE WHO WE ARE!!!
Get out of this idiotic fantasy your living in!!! Do we need to lower our troop levels around the world?? DUH, yes, and EVERY other candidate agrees. Did the US foreign bases maybe have a little bit to do with the anti American sentiment in the Middle East? Yes they did to a small extent, but that hardly can be blamed as the sole reason we were attacked! To dismiss Al-Qaeda and Hezbollah groups and put the blame for 9/11 on the US troop presence around the world is just lunacy.
You people politicize this bad situation we have with the war in Iraq and Afghanistan to advance your little agenda of portraying the United States as a militaristic oppressor. Yeah, we need to pull out our troops drastically, WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT. But don’t dismiss the threat of radical Islam as if all they cared about is their territory.
If you actually did your research, rather than just gobbling up what Ron Paul and his supporters tell you, then you would see the cold reality of this world we live in, that there are people who hate us for no other fact than that we are alive and have a different world view of Christian based values.
And that, pal, is why you and Paul will lose, America doesn’t bu
Report Post »WireWizard
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:14pmI watched this debate and that isn’t the way it went down. Ron Paul was reciting a list of reasons that Bin Laden gave for the attacks. They have turned it around as if they were Ron Paul’s statements.
Report Post »1casawizard
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:10pmBitch fight. nuf said
Report Post »bloptop
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:10pmPaul is the only true conservative on the panel. It’s a damn shame that all of those neo-cons get more attention
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:34amlibertarians are actually just social liberals who don’t want any of their money used to fund the natural consequences of a socially liberal society. They pretend to be conservatives, when all they really are is money conscious liberals with an isolationist view of the world they live in. Anti-war, pro- marijuana, pro- gay rights and abortion under the guise of privacy, anti-trade and Paul believes that America is the bad guy around the globe
Report Post »blaze7c
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:38pmHey Repugnantcorp,
Report Post »Your comments here just make you look stupid. A Libertarian believes that we should mind our own damn business. Quit trying to push your neocon views on everybody else. Believe it or not, Americans can make it without big brother trying to run our lives and tell us what we can and cannot do.
TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:09pmI was very disappointed with all on stage tonite. Though, still like Perry best. Paul, Santorum, Newt, and most of all Huntman; need to go. But a bad night for all.
Report Post »Old Paint
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:19pmWould you view Perry in a different light if you knew that he attended the Bilderburg meetings the past two years?
Report Post »Vunks
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:09pmPerhaps Santorum should read the 9/11 commission report.
Report Post »Koz469
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:18pmSantorum is too busy trying to force his religious beliefs on people to read the 9/11 commission report.
Report Post »sambachico
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:57pmAMEN to that. He should also read his bible once in a while. I remember there was a passage that said blessed are the peacemakers…
Report Post »Koz469
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:08pmDr. Paul is clearly the only candidate in the field who understands how messed up our foreign policy is. Even the chief of the CIA’s bin Laden unit says we were attacked because of our foreign policy, not because of our freedoms, yet all of the other doofuses think we were attacked because they hate our freedoms. Think about it, would you want to attack another country if they put bases over here that were unwanted, of course you would. Dr. Paul is the only one with a brain in this group. Perry and Romney should be running for the Democratic nomination in my opinion, they are clearly not conservatives.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:39am@Koz469
Report Post »Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:08pm
Dr. Paul is clearly the only candidate in the field who understands how messed up our foreign policy is. Even the chief of the CIA’s bin Laden unit says we were attacked because of our foreign policy, not because of our freedoms, yet all of the other doofuses think we were attacked because they hate our freedoms. Think about it, would you want to attack another country if they put bases over here that were unwanted, of course you would. Dr. Paul is the only one with a brain in this group. Perry and Romney should be running for the Democratic nomination in my opinion, they are clearly not conservatives.
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You’ve been watching the lame stream media too much! There’s a HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONSERVATIVE & STUPID! Dr Paul‘s foreign policy isn’t that much different than what EVERY LIB HAS RUN ON SINCE THE 1970′s . Do some web searches, listen to gbtv or Glenn’s radio show, Read the UK papers on line, you’ll get a whole nother perspective. (If you’re really brave, occasionly either drudge report or front page mag .com have a link to an Arab newspaper with Adhminajahd‘s ramblings of how he’s been chosen to set the world on fire and bring in the 12th Imam. And how he needs to heat the ME to 7000 degrees, to bring in the Caliphate! (If you don’t want to search for his rantings, try Chavez’ from just down South of Mexico (Venzuela) they’re nearly identical in what they want to do to the US.
freedomcatcher
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:15amIslam in general and radical islam in particular does hate us for our culture and freedoms. To them we are the great satan and the infidel and their koran commands them, in no uncertain terms, to defeat all others who are not of the muslim ideology. But this is not enough to explain all that has been happening recently. It is most likely a combination of several different aspects ( occupation being one of them, but not the only one ) that drives the jihadists past their breaking point. I am resonably certain that all the complex mix of reasons for their terrorism have not been dicovered yet. even by them.
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