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Santorum: Equality ‘Doesn’t Come From Islam‘ But From ’God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob’

Santorum: Equality Doesnt Come From Islam But From God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob

AP

Republican presidential contender Rick Santorum provoked an angry response from the Council on American-Islamic Relations Saturday for saying equality “doesn’t come from Islam“ but ”from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.”

“I get a kick out of folks who call for equality now, the people on the left, ‘Well, equality, we want equality.’ Where do you think this concept of equality comes from?” Santorum said during a South Carolina campaign stop Friday, ABC News reported. “It doesn’t come from Islam. It doesn’t come from the East and Eastern religions, where does it come from? It comes from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that’s where it comes from.”

The former Pennsylvania senator, a Catholic, has spoken openly about faith on the campaign trail.

“So don’t claim his rights, don’t claim equality as that gift from God and then go around and say, ‘Well, we don’t have to pay attention to what God wants us to do. We don’t have to pay attention to God’s moral laws.’ If your rights come from God, then you have an obligation to live responsibly in conforming with God’s laws, and our founders said so, right?” Santorum asked.

In a statement, CAIR communications director Ibrahim Hooper called Santorum’s remarks “inaccurate and offensive,“ and said the organization was sending the candidate a copy of the Quran so he could ”educate himself.”

“The Quran, Islam’s revealed text, is the best refutation of Mr. Santorum’s inaccurate and offensive remarks, which are unbecoming of anyone who hopes to hold our nation’s highest office. Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the same God and share religious traditions that promote justice and equality,” Hooper said. “We suggest that Mr. Santorum educate himself about Islam and the American Muslim community by reading the Quran that we will send to his campaign headquarters next week.”

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  • Kitsune
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:32pm

    And if you don’t listen to Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR will come to your house armed with Scimitars, rape your wife and kids, then chop all of your heads off!

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    • iStorm
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 9:41am

      Wife and Daughters. No Boys. They hate the gays. Hate em.

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    • ChartreuseMuse
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 1:12pm

      Well so far, there have been only members of one religion that feel the need to interrupt my day and appear at my door. They lack scimtars but their printed words basically threaten the same thing by indirect hand.

      Has anyone found adherents of any other religion coming to your door, accosting you on the street, bellowing at you on streetcorners? There is much wisdom to be found in practicing by quiet example that speaks volumes.

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    • PRRedlin
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 2:27pm

      Logic: If you believe in god, and if there is only one god, and a religion prays to god, regardless of their beliefs about this god, then they are still praying to your god.

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    • timber wolf
      Posted on January 23, 2012 at 3:25am

      @PRRedlin
      your logic suggests all religion is true, and here lies the problem with that logic. When someone dies they could go to Heaven or Hell, they could be reincarnated or they could turn to dust but they can’t do them all at the same time. Every religion could be wrong on every single point, but they can’t all be right.

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    • ahull15
      Posted on January 23, 2012 at 11:20am

      @ ChartreuseMuse

      Are you compensating for something with your fancy rhetoric?

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    • ahull15
      Posted on January 23, 2012 at 11:23am

      @ ChartreuseMuse

      Oh, and don’t you mean “scimitars?” If you’re going to write like that then you may want to make sure you at least spell the words correctly.

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    • FightingforTruth
      Posted on January 23, 2012 at 9:13pm

      The suras listed below were taken from Al-Qur’an, a contemporary translation by Ahmed Ali.

      Sura 19:27, 29-31 “Then she brought the child to her people. They exclaimed: “O Mary you have done a most astonishing thing!…But she pointed towards him. “How can we talk to one,” they said, “who is only an infant in the cradle?” “I am a servant of God,” he answered. “He has given me a Book and made me a prophet, and blessed me wherever I may be, and enjoined on me worship and zakat for as long as I live,..”

      Sura 61:6 “And when Jesus, son of Mary, said: “O children of Israel, I am sent to you by God to confirm the Torah (sent) before me, and give you good tidings of an apostle who will come after me, whose name is Ahmad (the praised one).”

      Sura 9:30-31 “The Jews say: “Ezra is the son of God;” the Christians say: “Christ is the son of God.” That is what they say with their tongues following assertions made by unbelievers before them. May they be damned by God: How perverse are they! They consider their rabbis and monks and the Christ, son of Mary, to be gods apart from God, even though they had been enjoined to worship only one God.”

      Enough said!

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  • Mr.Fitnah
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:27pm

    I support reading the Quran, It only makes sense when read in order of “revelation” chronological order.
    I calls for the oppression transgression against and eradication of none believers.
    The problem is Rick, you cant blow up Islam or even fight it if your financial house is not in order.
    Islam will be abandon by the muslims when they dont anyone ignorant of Islamic scripture left to lie to . Learn Islam and makea case for the superiority of western thought,

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    • Spinnacre
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 10:39pm

      Wow! Nicely said.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 1:30am

      There is No Equality… promoted in the Koran (Men are superior to Women) nor in the Old Testament (with Tribal Chiefs and Kings). Only The Gospels promote Equality!

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    • JUDGEMENTDAY
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 8:31am

      What?

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    • Rational Man
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 8:35am

      “The Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations.”
      John Adams

      “The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”–Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

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    • iStorm
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 9:38am

      To me it looked like Rick was saying we all have the same god. Thats what the Muslim group was saying as well. Islamists remind me of wild pigs. Just mad about everything. No telling what they will do. Of course these are my opinions. And look at that down to the right new story just popped up. “Radical Islamic Attack KILLS at least 143.

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    • Alvin691
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 12:24pm

      Jefferson read the Koran, how better to know your enemy. They printed them for the citizens of the young United States so they would understand what they were fighting.

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    • ChartreuseMuse
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 1:25pm

      If the Gospels truly promoted equality then why did slavery persist until recently? Why were women still treated as chattel for centuries? Why did nations, this one in particular, persist for years and years in not allowing non-white men and women of all colours to vote, own property, or become educated?
      I do not think we can thank religious thought for our freedoms but rather the maturing humanist philosophical thoughts of an increasing population of learned people who rationally thought beyond conventional paradigms and gradually gained acceptance, dragging the rest of civilization into the Enlightenment. This was repeated again at the turn of the 19th century and during the Civil Rights era, often sadly with the tacit opposition of the greater Christian church crowd and then a divided faith. Things looked rosy for continued evolution until recently.

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  • SENIORCHIEF
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:26pm

    Hate to say it but Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all come from Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.
    Now, CAIR is getting their tit**** in a twist because Rick said this? Hey, you moronic CAIR idiots, why don’t you call out your sheeple when they blast Judaism and Christianity? Oh yeah, you know that those religious groups wont blow you to hell.

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    • mikeyhdinde
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:48pm

      You have fallen for a very old lie. I recommend a visit to the website prophetofdoom for a little re-education. Allah is a false god and in no way the God of Abraham.

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    • SENIORCHIEF
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:02pm

      MIKEY, if you read the Qu’ran, the basis of the religion dates back to Abraham and Issac just as Judaism and Christianity. The main difference (well, besides the kill all non-believers mindset of radical muslims) is that they view Jesus as just another prophet, not the Son of God. This is the same belief that Judaism believes; Jesus was a prophet not the Son of God. In regards to Islam, they believe that Muhammad is the final prophet.

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    • marvel
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:10pm

      @mikeyhdinde

      I recommend you and the rest of you bigoted buddies get an education. Allah is the word for God in Arabic, and is, in fact, the same word used by Arabic speaking Christians when speaking about the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The word for God in the Arabic Christian Bible is… you guessed it “Allah”.

      Arabic, like Hebrew, is a Semitic language and as such the word “Allah” is a cognate of the Hebrew “Elohim”, Aramaic “Elaha”, and the Syriac “Alaha” (see Columbia Encyclopaedia, for instance), which are all used by their respective native speaking Christians, Jews, and Muslims in a way that is synonymous as the English “God”, the German “Gott”, and Finnish “Jumala”.

      The God of Abraham, is the God of Ishmael (the son of Hagar), whom was blessed by God and was promised that He “will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.” (see Gen 17)

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    • marvel
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:56pm

      @AB5r

      You are either ignorant then, or simply intellectually dishonest. Tell me, what is the word for “the God” in the Arabic language? Do you deny that Arabic speaking Christians worship Allah, or that the Arabic language Christian Bible also uses the word “Allah” when speaking of God? What word should be used in Arabic instead?

      I have already shown you that Allah, Elohim, Elaha, and Alaha are cognates found in Semitic languages that mean “the God”.

      No one is claiming that Muslims have a correct understanding of “the God”, and his true religion, which is the only point you were arguing.

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    • marvel
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:03pm

      Well no one besides Muslims are making that claim.

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    • AB5r
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:08pm

      Don’t get hung up on the word “allah” as meaning god in Arabic. You have to examine the character of the entity as described in the texts of the Koran vs. the Bible. The Bible explains how Satan is the father of lies, he is cunning and crafty, it was very simple for him to take the illiterate Muhammad and use him to create this work that slyly uses many of the same places and names as the Bible but explicitly rejects the versions of the stories, the character of the God, and the overall message of the Bible. It is enough to confuse the simpleminded, don’t be simpleminded. The words we use to describe anything, an Apple, a Pen, are just that words, the thing that is being described is the real thing, not the word. Some now call a computer an Apple, but it isn’t something you can eat. Allah schmalla, it isn’t the God of the Bible described in the Koran and known there as Allah. Or do you believe God is schizophrenic, being one way in the Bible and 180 degrees opposite in the Koran. No one wants a God that is schizophrenic.

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    • AB5r
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:14pm

      Here is an excellent explanation of the name of God which actually is not even written in the Bible, but in any case, it is NOT Allah:

      http://www.yhwh.com/gingn/gingn.htm

      Transliterated into English: YHWH

      With vowels added: YAHWEH

      Translated: I AM WHO I AM

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    • WISEPENNY
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:16pm

      @MARVEL Half truths is what you muzzys dwell in. Read the very next verse in Genisis 17.

      Ge 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
      Here is another tidbit regarding the decendants of Ishmael that’s an undenialble fact:

      Ge 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

      The writings of Muhammed make it abundantly clear that the goal of Islam is to exterminate anyone opposed to it until there are no unbelievers left alive. Refute that. In almost every book of the minor prophets, when the warrior version Jesus Christ returns to fight the Mahadi and the fake Jesus, Issa, the nations that are mentioned are Muslim nations. Are you aware of that? You should read up on the real Word of God, The Bible, not that mess you call the Quaran. Also while I’ve got my soapbox out, the Book of Mormon is also a counterfeit mess in the same catagory. Mormonism is nothing better than a western version of Islam. Jesus Christ is GOD!!!

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    • marvel
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:25pm

      @AB5r

      I see, well in case you didn’t know, Allah means “the God” not just generic “god”. It is a name/title used exactly like Elohim and Yahveh is used in the Hebrew Bible, and “God” is used in the English Christian Bible.

      The problem with your argument is that Muslims believe that they worship “the God” of Abraham, who is the creator of heaven and earth, just like Christians and Jews do. The same who created Adam. They just happen to understand incorrectly his plan of salvation, and that he has a Son, who is the Redeemer of mankind, and many other things concerning true religion. Same God, wrong understanding – wrong doctrine.

      The same cannot be said of Buddhists or Hindus, who do not claim that “the God” of Abraham is the one true God, and they would not be upset if we pointed that out. Different God, and different doctrine. Though, I believe that “the God” is also their God, and not just ours (though they may not know it), and that He does enlighten everyone of his children to a degree. Any principle of truth is acceptable to me, no matter who utters it.

      It’s pretty reasonable to me.

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    • marvel
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:38pm

      @WISEPENNY

      You did not even address the issue of whether Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews. The only thing you did was show that God established a covenant people through Isaac (and then Jacob/Israel), which is completely true. though, he clearly blessed Ishmael and his people as well, under the covenant he had already made with Abraham.

      Also, I do not believe the Quran is the word of God. I think it teaches false religion, and an incorrect understanding of the God of Abraham. So, I think you need to slow down and read people’s posts more carefully.

      As for me personally. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the creator of all that exists, the God of the Old Testament, the Messiah of the New Testament, and is the Judge of both the quick and the dead. Under the direction of his Father, Christ is the Lord of the whole Universe.

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    • AB5r
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 6:01pm

      Marvel, you are still seriously missing the point. There are even Christians who “think” they are worshiping the one true God but who are deceived, it says that in the Bible, so how much moreso the followers of Muhammad who broke all ten of the Ten Commandments! Please stop and think for a minute, get past this hangup you have that just because Muslims claim to be following the God of Abraham that they actually are. If it is true that Satan created Islam, it was done to fool and confuse, and what better way to fool and confuse than you CLAIM they are worshiping the God of the Bible!?! The whole purpose of Islam was to keep people away from the true God of the Bible.

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    • Blacktooth
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 6:35pm

      AB5r, – Here is an excellent explanation of the name of God which actually is not even written in the Bible, but in any case, it is NOT Allah:

      Actually God’s Name, written using the Hebrew Tetragrammaton (YHWH or JHVH) is written in the Holy Scriptures, over 7,000 times, and many Bible translations use “LORD” in the place where God’s Name should be. Today those four Hebrew letters, (the Tetragrammaton), is pronounced either as Yahweh or Jehovah. Exodus 6:3 – KJV

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    • AB5r
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 6:49pm

      black, i responded twice but the censor is blocking it

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    • marvel
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 7:13pm

      @AB5r

      My goodness… I’m not hung up on anything. You were simply wrong when you said “Allah is a false god and in no way the God of Abraham” and I have demonstrated it.

      I have shown that:

      1) Allah is “the God” in Arabic, comparable to Elohim, Elaha, and Alaha in other Semitic languages.
      2) Arabic speaking Christians worship “Allah”, which is “the God”.

      Marvel

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    • marvel
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 7:14pm

      Sorry I meant that I was demonstrating to @mikeyhdinde based on his original post, and to anyone else defending his point of view.

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    • AB5r
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 7:25pm

      Marvel, you are a fool, and you didn’t refute a single thing I said, you merely ignored it.

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    • AB5r
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 7:41pm

      Marvel, look up on the internet how Malay Muslims attacked Christian churches, who knows they probably killed some Christians, BECAUSE THE CHRISTIANS DARED TO USE ALLAH AS THEIR WORD FOR GOD IN THEIR VILE FILTHY EVIL CHRISTIAN WRITINGS!!!!! So who knows better, you sitting in your Western society with human rights and still a small percentage of Muslims, or Christians who have to coexist with large numbers of Muslims? If you went to a Muslim country and stated spouting your ridiculous views on Islam and Allah they would just kill you and be done with it. At least here we can debate and part in peace.

      http://www.hearkenthewatchmen.com/article.asp?id=73 – article chosen at random about the Malay Allah issue

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    • marvel
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 9:26pm

      @AB5r

      Okay, I am not arguing that Malay Muslims would not kill you for using the word Allah in a way that they deem inappropriate. Nor am I arguing that I understand the conditions Christians face among large Muslim populations better than the Christians living in those conditions do. And I am not arguing that the same freedoms and peace that we enjoy are enjoyed in other parts of the world, Muslim countries or otherwise.

      However, if you are trying to use the evil acts of Muslims to disprove my argument that the Arabic “Allah” is the same as the English “the God”, or my other point that in Arabic, and to Muslims, Allah is the God of Abraham, then you must apply the same standard to Christianity.

      Has evil ever been done in the name of God or Christ in the past, or even today? The answer is obviously “yes”, and the Christian scriptures have been used to justify those evil acts. So, by your logic that proves that Christians must not worship the God of Abraham.

      You can’t have a double standard. Plenty of Muslims live in peace with us here and are Americans and do not commit evil acts in the name of God. So, whether the Muslim religion acknowledges the God of Abraham (Allah in Arabic) or not cannot be determined by your methods. You have to come up with another argument if you are to prove your point.

      Marvel

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    • YAHSHUARULES
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 9:36pm

      Islam is Ishmiel not Isaac. The seed of Abraham is Yeshua – Jesus Christ. Of the line of Ishmiel it is said “he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.” Gen 16v12.

      Of ISSAC YWVH said: “And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.” Gen 17v19

      and again: “But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.” Gen 17v21. Many other times Isaac is the son of promise.

      YHVH said son of the bond woman (Ishmiel) was to be cast out – he had no place with the son of the free (a picture of the difference of works and law based attempt to eternal life as opposed to a gift of grace of the Almighty by Yeshua -Christ) Ishmiel represented works (Islam is all about works – there is no salvation, no redemption only works. Allah will decide if you have done one more good deed then bad. Yet one deed will get you and your whole family a guaranteed ticket to paradise. Jihad, being martyred killing infidels anyone who does not bow down to the moon god (term lunatic comes from luna moon – just an additional thought)

      Christians can study Koran but know the bible:MIXING Islam and Christianity: Chrislam is not biblical. Counterfeit truth is a lie. Islam is a counterfeit.

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    • marvel
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 9:52pm

      @YAHSHUARULES

      You must have accidentally posted on the wrong thread. I don’t see anyone here saying that Christianity and Islam are the same religion, only that both religions worship the God (Allah in Arabic) of Abraham, even though there are big differences in their understanding of God, his Son, and essential doctrines.

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    • AB5r
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 10:28pm

      Marvel, I seriously regret wasting any time arguing with you, what a pathetic twit, get over it, Allah is not the God of the Bible, they are two entirely different entities, and no amount of you stomping your feet on the ground and jumping up and down and making the absurd simplistic claim that allah is how you say god in some other language is going to change that. What a moron, sorry but you are ridiculous.

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    • lanurse1
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 12:52am

      burkha = equality? ~~NOT

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    • ilovestock
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 12:53am

      not so much seniorchief. Elements of islam refute the OT view of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob. Claim Ishmael was the only son of Abraham and Abraham was to sacrifice ishmael on the alter at Moriah. They are a deceitful religion and are to monotheism what branch davidians are to Christianity.

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    • TheJeffersonian
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 5:29am

      Wow. Marvel was a steady wall of logic, support, and politeness in the face of utter idiocy from Abr. Good for you.

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    • Quixotic-911
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 10:00am

      Islam does not come from Isaac. According to christians and jews Gods promise passed though Isaac. But, the muslims believe it was passed down through Ishmail. That’s why they are often referred to as Ishmailites or Hagarenes. Hagar was Ishmail’s mother. Jews decend from Isaac and arabs from Ishmail.

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    • jeffile
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 10:25am

      Marvel, you referred to God giving a blessing to Ismael. I suggest you read and understand. Yes, it is true that God did give Ishmael a blessing and promised 12 princes and a great nation to come from him but that was it. There is nothing promised that his descendants would receive a promised land or anything else. End of the story of Ishmael. However, Isaac was given an everlasting covenant which passed to all his descendants.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 9:21pm

      well said YAHSHUARULES: The Beast is the Arabic بسم الله‎ ! Even in the greek texts of the Dead Sea Scrolls. The point is: we are all children of God, but the Islamic Allah is not the god of the Torah, The one true God ELOHIM. Muslim, moon/crecent rock worship, muhammadism political idiology does not follow the God of the Christians and Jews, Issac and Jacob. Just listen to Walid Shoebat for 5-10 minutes folks….
      no covenant for muslims!

      Theese people are worshiping the great deciever:

      warning GRAPHIC IMAGES of muslims being “normal”

      http://www.ajuaa.com/lookme/play.php?vid=958

      boyee

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  • LeadNotFollow
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:24pm

    …
    Rick, you’re our last hope. The GOP pickings are real slim now.
    Anything is better that Ron, Newt, or Mitt.

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    • ShyLow
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:05pm

      Rick Santorum means more wars and less freedom…Who in their right mind will volunteer to go fight unjust wars for a country in which they are no-longer free

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    • Love_John_Galt
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:01pm

      So true Shylow — If Santorum is such a Christian why does he advocate killing others that dare stand up for themselves? He’ll soon outlaw our freedom to speak out against our own government. “Off with our heads for not believing in his religion.” He’s a real ‘danger’.

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    • TRONINTHEMORNING
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:06pm

      @FAITH

      And that’s exactly what Christ meant..He is the only door to salvation. That drives a lot of people nuts, but it should drive them to the cross and Christ.

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    • TommyGuns
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:40pm

      During the primary and caucus season, at least on the GOP side of things, you have candidates trying very hard to become the anointed values candidate. Once the nomination is in hand, they move to the middle to attract more voters than the relatively small number available from the religious right. In the past elections, the platforms of the two parties have meant absolutely nothing, and the candidates feel free to disavow what they don’t like.

      My hope is that two things happen. The Republican nomination battle goes on until the convention, and that the delegates realize that none of these guys are equipped to be our President, and the party elders – the real movers and shakers behind the scenes – get us a candidate like Marco Rubio, or Chris Christie, or Mitch Daniels. Any of them would be better than what’s on offer right now.

      I don’t particularly care if Obama wins re-election. I‘d prefer that he didn’t, but at least with him in office you know that there is no hope and only a little change left in your pocket and can plan accordingly. The real fight is over control of the Congress. We need more real Conservative Republicans – whether from the Tea Party or not – and real Blue Dog Democrats – fiscal conservatives but social moderates. They need to control the Congress and stop Obama’s excesses and pandering to special interest groups, get us on a sound financial footing, and work to solve problems and not win re-election. If they don’t get it done, get

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    • Chuck Stein
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 7:24pm

      Rick isn’t our last hope — only the best one in the field.
      Why, why, why, didn’t Paul Ryan run?

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 7:29pm

      Lead, Listen to Rick in his own words: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1Gwwmm-cQxU#

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  • Jude 4
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:22pm

    Only the follower of Jesus (denying themselves & taking up the cross) are able to offer genuine worship to the one true King of all creation. The only worship that God will accept is that which is founded “in spirit and in truth”, all other worship being an “abomination”; Go actually is incensed with anger at fleshly and false worship. Therefore, even the orthodox Jewish form is an abomination, since they who “deny the Son, deny the Father also.” The Jewish people continue to deny Jesus as the only way, and honor Him as the true Messiah (God incarnate), whom they crucifed. They themselves said “let his blood be upon our children, and our childrens children”, which means succeeding generations. All those that are not presently following Jesus, are only deceiving themselves when they try to worship in their own way; Protestants, Mormons, JW’s, Catholicism, Islam, Hindu, Buddah, Calvanist, etc.. Jesus will crush all these promoters of a false christ, when He comes to judge the living and the dead, unless they repent of the ungodly wicked ways. “God knows how to reserve the ungodly for the day of judgment.”

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    • Blacktooth
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:31pm

      Jude 4,

      In your superior righteousness and clear thinking, which form of “Christianity would you recommend, and why?

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    • Faith1029
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:43pm

      Rick Santorum is correct. The Christians, Jews and Muslims do not worship the same God.

      John 14: 5, 6

      5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”
      6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

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    • marvel
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:22pm

      @Faith1029

      Jews, Christians (including Mormons), and Muslims worship the same God. You are being illogical.

      Just because someone in those groups does not understand the true nature of God, or the fact that he had a Son, through which savation is made possible, does not mean that they worship a different God. It only means that they are lacking in understanding. Big difference.

      I think my dad is great and has done many great things, and I know other people close to me who think that he is terrible and has done many bad things, but it would be nonsensical to argue that both of us are talking about different individuals. We are merely describing the same person from two different understandings. Don’t be ignorant.

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    • pickiter
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:25pm

      Is it the “followers” or the “obeyers”?? Do not all the various demoninations claim to follow? Why follow a million miles behind ? Would it not be better to be side by side – even yoked with?

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    • NewAge_of_Reason
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:03pm

      “All those that are not presently following Jesus, are only deceiving themselves when they try to worship in their own way; Protestants, Mormons, JW’s, Catholicism, Islam, Hindu, Buddah, Calvanist, etc.. ”
      You need to do your homework before you speak and make yourself sound like a fool.

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  • whatthehellbook
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:21pm

    Ron Paul is the only one who stands for anything. He leaves the campaign trail to vote against the debt ceiling because he cares more about principle than a few damn votes. I’m thankful for his honesty and consistency, agree with him or not. He’s got my vote even though I disagree with a few of his stances. At least I know he won’t go back on his word.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=262l6tbHSlU

    http://www.whatthehellbook.com/2012/01/17/to-hell-with-peace/

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  • DLCraig
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:21pm

    Great..! People are now asserting that all religions are the same… Well I guess they are; they only differ on matters of Creation, Sin, Heaven, Hell, God and Salvation. Other than these few minor points you could say they’re identical… Now run along and slap a “Coexist” bumper sticker on your car which has the immediate affect of relieving you of all responsibility to lear anything about the religions that wish you harm.

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    • marvel
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:25pm

      @DLCraig

      Who is asserting that all religions are the same? The only thing that is being asserted is that three of the worlds major religions worship the same God, albeit each with a different understanding. Of course each one asserts that their understanding is the correct one.

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  • Jeff Bassett
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:17pm

    I would suggest people study eschatology, the study of the end times via the Bible and the Qur’an. in doing so, you will find Santorum is absolutely correct. By the very nature, CAIR is incorrect and is willing to repeat a false message in order to further their own means, which is allowed as long as it benefits the growth of the Islamic faith in their own ethical standards.

    If there is any doubt to the differences, I would highly recommend the book “The Islamic Anti*Christ” bu Joel Richardson, who has studied both faiths and lays out the perspective of each faith and it’s views from a theological perspective.

    To say there can be a Unitarian view with this subject is false, one which CAIR is more than willing to claim given the goal of spreading Islam on a world wide and as a totalitarian religion.

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    • Exrepublisheep
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:23pm

      Well said.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:24pm

      Yes. Sure. Equality come from Christianity. That’s why after 1,900 years of Christianity the vast majority of Christians still lived in unequal and rigidly hierarchical societies.

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    • kschmud
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:03pm

      Read this and you will understand.

      http://www.amazon.com/Miracle-Freedom-Seven-Tipping-Points/dp/1606419633

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    • db321
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:31pm

      Jeff – Your Correct – the problems we face today is Theological – Not Political! The Bible told us in the end times that the Whole World would come against Israel – However, When the dust settles the Bible tells us who the Victor will be – I don’t care what Obama or Mohammed say – Israel will still be standing! God Bless Israel!

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    • circleDwagons
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 6:56pm

      so is little ricky the 13th iman?

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    • ChartreuseMuse
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 7:33pm

      Gee, I wonder where they got that idea?? Next thing you know they’ll be going door to door, sticking tracts in every space they can, planting their book in every motel bedside table, and sneaking singers into public high school assemblies and prayers into locker rooms everywhere!!
      Uhoh, they’re at my door now!

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    • Jeff Bassett
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 4:52pm

      A quote from CAIR president Omar Ahmed:
      “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur’an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”

      Understand, CAIR is willing to do anything to further that goal it is their core religious principles to do such.

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  • MrMagoo
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:15pm

    Keep at it Rick.Fearless and truthful.

    “Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.”
    Charles Carroll, signer of the Declaration of Independence

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  • JustPeachy
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:14pm

    So any candidate has to be politically correct–is that what the real message is here? He/she dare not voice his own beliefs, own opinions, etc?

    By even claiming to be a Christian (as even Obama has done) means he/she is a believer and follower of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Period. To claim another faith simply means other beliefs.

    What it boils down to is that the Council on American-Islamic Relations was offended by Santorum’s beliefs.

    Tough.

    They need to get over it.

    Next?

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    • Joshua7
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:22pm

      Pretty much. Nailed it right on the head.

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    • ChartreuseMuse
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 7:38pm

      Well, it means too that Santorum, for all his jawwing, really has a huge knowledge gap about the background and history of his religion, and perpetuates his ignorance safely within his equally ignorant fan club.

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 1:30pm

      Any american would be offended.he is spreading religious bigotry and blatant falsehoods.allah means god and to assert it is not the same god as christan or jewish god is deliberate casting sspersions on another religion. That is classic anti-semitism[against islam this time]. There ain’t nothing christian about his bearing false witness and fueling religious bigotry. Nor is he in conformity with catholic doctrine in believing in pre-emptive war as just. catholic doctrine opposes pre-emptive war and of course murder which the assassinations of bin laden and other unarmed citizens was. His real religion is right wing americanism and as jesus says-you can’t serve two masters.In attempting to do so,he has undermined catholic doctrine and made an idol out of right wing version of americanism. I pray he repents and comes back to Christ and the teachings of the Chruch.

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  • ShyLow
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:11pm

    All Santorum supporters should have a card-board standy of Santorum in their bedrooms…Santorum wants the Government in your bedrooms…those words came from his mouth

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:17pm

      Camera in every bedroom – Santorum 2012

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:51pm

      As a 53%er, The Gov is already in my bedroom, stealing from my wallet. So are the 47%ers in my bedroom, stealing from my wallet while carrying no load,.

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    • JQCitizen
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:41pm

      Shylow:
      I don’t think we need the government in our bedrooms; – but we certainly need a whole lot of people’s bedroom preferences OUT of our government:

      - Militant gays, Abortionists who want government subsidies, Thumb-sucking deviates who want the schools to hold “I’m-Okay, You’re-Okay sessions in our schools as low as elementary level; etc.,etc., etc….

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  • Detroit paperboy
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:08pm

    Lost his last senate race by 20 points and supported ARLEN RECTUM…. sorry Rick… I cant support you… Or your Religion…

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    • aconstitutionalistlivesinbrooklyn
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:40pm

      It is because he lost his last senate race by twenty points and that he endorsed Arlen Spector that I support him. If you look at the context of those events, you will see what Santorum did was principled, pragmatic and showed strength. It was 2006 in a state which trends blue more than red. Popular opinion, especially in his state was against the war in Iraq, yet he steadfastly supported the war effort (principled). Santorum was going to lose that race just based on that. In 2004, Spector’s primary opponent was Pat Toomey. Pat Toomey is conservative and a good man, but not a vote-getter. He’s a numbers man, an analysis man, someone that would be valuable in the Senate, but not guaranteed to get elected or reelected in PA. Last year, a conservative’s year, he just squeaked by, while the conservative candidate for governor won by 10 points. Spector was the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, had the support of his President and the party leadership and was guaranteed to win in a presidential election year. If Santorum backed Toomey, Toomey may have still lost in the primary or the general election and Santorum would have alienated his President and his party leadership. By backing Spector, he assured the appointment of Alito and Roberts to the Supreme Court (pragmatism), even though he knew he would take a hit from his conservative base (strength).Santorum’s good character and strength derives from his faith, so yes, religion matters.

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    • Steverino
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:56pm

      CONSTITUTIONALIST:
      Very nicely laid out. Seems to me in those instances, whether you agree or disagree with Santorum, he stuck to his core philosophies with his eye on the bigger conservative picture. Supreme court justices are a just a little bit important and a wee bit powerful in the USA of 2012.
      He could wear his loss as a badge of honor, depending on your perspective.
      Steve

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  • ThankBabyJesus
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:07pm

    freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.

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    • CatB
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:07pm

      Exactly .. and Islam along with athiests are trying to wipe out both Christians and Jews. I find it refreshing to have someone running who is NOT afraid to be who he is.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:11pm

      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,” it doesn’t say “a religion,” it doesn’t say “one religion over another,” it says “establishment of religion.” Whether you like it or not, that includes establishing religion as preferable to non-religion.

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  • democritusoilder267
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:07pm

    Rick Santorum is just trying to get votes from the Christian Right. Nothing new here. I pray that this individual will know that Muslims follow the God of Noah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, David, Jesus, and Muhammad (PBUT).

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    • democritusoilder267
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:12pm

      A beautiful verse from the Holy Qura’n about Isa (Jesus-PBUH) and his beloved Disciples

      “And (appoint him) an Messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay as it were the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave; and I heal those born blind, and the lepers and I quicken the dead by Allah’s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe. (49) “(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me, and to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me. (50) “It is Allah who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a way that is straight.” (51) When Jesus found unbelief on their part, he said: “Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?” Said the Disciples: “We are Allah’s helpers we believe in Allah and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims. (52)

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    • Hollywoodron
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:17pm

      The Quran is not the same God at all. It is a corruption. The Bible explicitly says, allow not even an angel to come and add to this for the message is complete. The Quran knows it insults the God of the Bible and Jesus Christ and Christians and Jews… It knows it does. And so do you.

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    • democritusoilder267
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:23pm

      When have I ever insulted my God or Jesus (PBUH). Do you the “PBUH” stands for in Islam? It stands for Peace Be Upon Him. I use this to respect the prophets and messengers of the True God; Jesus (PBUH) is the Messiah in Islam as well. I have always respected non-Muslims. Whether they be Christian or Jewish or whatever. My faith teaches me to love others and forgive error. I forgive you.

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    • taksavillage2
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:30pm

      Where does this say all men are equal?

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    • democritusoilder267
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:46pm

      Goodness and evil are not equal.
      Repel evil with what is better.
      Then that person with whom there was hatred,
      may become your intimate friend!
      And no one will be granted such goodness
      except those who exercise patience and self-restraint,
      none but people of the greatest good fortune.
      Qur’an 41:34-35

      Here is a ‘good’ verse about equality in Islam.

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    • ChartreuseMuse
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 7:50pm

      Democritusoilder267, I am not a Muslim, and I must admit that I have a very dim view of most organized religion in general for the vitriol it often elicits. I must say though that your words are amongst the most civil and compassionate here. I hope they will serve as an example and a challenge for positive words and deeds. The lofty ideas of either religion in this wrestling match are not well served by nasty exchanges. If God is love, words of God should not deviate from love.

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  • TrailBlazer66
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:06pm

    Well, I’m not Catholic and the statement Rick made was based on Biblical historical FACT. If I were Rick, I would burn that evil Koran or refuse it. CAIR needs a little dose of Ann Barnhardt!

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    • Baddoggy
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:11pm

      Burning the Koran will lead to burning Bibles…Are you really that dense?

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    • JustPeachy
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:16pm

      Baddoggy, people already DO burn Bibles! Just I’ve never heard of anyone being killed or beaten for doing so. . .

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    • SENIORCHIEF
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:36pm

      Hey BADDOGGY, they already burn the Bible on a regular basis and no one gives a crap. I am not religious in any way but the bull crap pulled by these idiots as well as all the idiots that slam Christianity with complete and utter immunity is pathetic.

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    • Baddoggy
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:52pm

      I am talking about Facism…In this Country, not around the world. It will come if one of these so called religious candidates come to power and starts legislating his religious views. That will lead to all out war on all religions in time,,,here in the USA.

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  • wordweaver
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:05pm

    I don‘t understand CAIR’s problem with the senator’s statement. Islam did spring from the God of Abraham, through Ismael, etc. You don’t have to read the Koran to know that. The senator could have talked about a lot of other things the Koran teaches that are pretty warped, but I don’t see that he did that from this article.

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    • outofthemire93
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:18pm

      He was talking about equality. Islam and the Koran surely does Not promote equality. The God of the bible does. That is the point.

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  • ThankBabyJesus
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:03pm

    “Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the same God” Nope

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    • R0bespierre
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:06pm

      According to their own Holy Books, yeah, yeah they do.

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    • Baddoggy
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:10pm

      I am an Evangelical…I do not want my views legislated any more than I want Sharia Law or Jewish Laws legislated. If you legislate religious views like DOMA, just call yourself a FACIST. Keep the Government out of our religious lives. If you dont think DOMA is a violation of the second ammendment then you do not understand the fullness of the Constitution.

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    • Hollywoodron
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:18pm

      The Bible explicitly says, no other add ons, no more messages… so the Quran is a lie.

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    • SoulReaver
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:06pm

      god did not change his name to Allah. islam is a false religion

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  • ShyLow
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:03pm

    the Quakers produced the best fruit from what I have seen of all the different forms of Christianity…root beer,hot chocolate,ended slavery and created the rough draft to the Constitution

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    • Dahart
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:11pm

      Honestly I don‘t care about someone’s religion and I don’t care about the color of someones skin…but I am tired of it being thrown in my face all time

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  • The_Jerk
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:01pm

    Madeleine Morgenstern and company are busy blocking today.

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  • Detroit paperboy
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:57pm

    Blah Blah Blah… Can someone just balance the budget…. Can we quit mortvaging our kids futures ??? If lo lifes want to abort their kids, let em, if gays wanna marry let em.. Can someone just balance the damn budget ? Or what..

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    • barber2
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:22pm

      DETROIT: It must be as hard for the current Democrats to balance the budget than to calculate how many angels can dance on the top of a pin ….

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  • ShyLow
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:56pm

    Cathlocism is probably the worst form of Christianity

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    • Detroit paperboy
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:04pm

      @shylow
      Yup, just ask the alter boys…..

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    • TrailBlazer66
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:12pm

      It is a perversion of Christianity but not a cult. Once a Catholic ever becomes born again they usually leave that faith once their eyes have been opened to the truth of erroneous catholic doctrine. Perhaps Rick is somewhere in between. He sure hit this one right on target. God knows each heart – it‘s the fruits that reveal where one’s heart is and all that will remain in the end.

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    • inblack
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:14pm

      Catholicism is Christianity. The rest of the 100s of so called “christians” just ignore the bible and make up their own rules to suit themselves.

      You people who follow a “King James” version of the bible create by the “church of engand” started by a king who murdered his wives and rejected Christianity because he wanted a divorce.

      That is your authority?

      I suggest you look at where the Bible and the Church came from and realize your so called “christian” past is a denial of Christ. When you look I think you will be praising the Catholic church and all it has done to try to follow Christ and spread the Gospel.

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    • JustJason
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:35pm

      That is an ignorant statement a void of history. You owe a little to the catholic church.

      http://youtu.be/NK1rvaijZOI It starts at 4:20
      (this steam of morality exists today in the military and in the citizenry) this is where it comes from. I been to places where there is no Christianity and this does not exist. this is why the US military behaves the way it does and get upset of urination. Communists (stamped out God) and Islam (falsehood) do not have this code in battle or their society.
      http://youtu.be/qlKVlq_herE Islam invaded first, Charles “the Hammer” Martel and the Catholic Church stopped it.
      During the failed resurgence of Rome, the black plague, viking violence, islamic invasions… it was the Catholic Church that kept scripture, literacy, science, mathematics, medicine, and most things you hold dear alive.

      I think maybe if you think about it, you disagree with the Church a bit. But to say it is evil when you hold so much benefit from it is ignorant.

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    • grman
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:36pm

      “You people who follow a “King James” version of the bible create by the “church of engand” started by a king who murdered his wives and rejected Christianity because he wanted a divorce.”

      You need to review your history. Henry VIII is the king that you are referring to. While you review, check out Martin Luther and educate yourself about the reason for the break from the Catholic church.

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  • Grace1798
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:55pm

    Then why did he side with Senator Arlen Specter who never believed in Jesus and who changed to the Democratic Party……..a Flaming LIBERAL?

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    • outofthemire93
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:33pm

      I don’t remember exactly why but it had to do with the Supreme Court nominee coming up. You might want to look up his explanation of why he did that. Just saying.

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  • The_Jerk
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:55pm

    If equality truly came from the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, how is it that one people can claim to be the chosen? Is there a different definition of equality out there?

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 1:55pm

      In islam all are equal-none of this divine right of kings or karma.

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  • ModerationIsBest
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:54pm

    Judaism, Christianity, Mormonism and Islam all share the same God.

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    • Grace1798
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:56pm

      Not true, the god of Islam is the moon god. Not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Look up their history.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:56pm

      This is a factually false statement.

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    • Grace1798
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:00pm

      ISLAM is the MOON GOD……………not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Look it up.

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    • JustPeachy
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:10pm

      No, actually–they don’t.

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:16pm

      Christianity hijacked Judaism.

      Mormonism hijacked Christianity and Judaism.

      Islam hijacked Christianity and Judaism as well.

      Judaism hijacked their stories by taking a buffet style selection to the religious beliefs of people before them and forming into a story that fit their people.

      When I talk to believers I always get the feeling that they think Judaism was the first religion to ever exist.

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  • ShyLow
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:52pm

    Islam also can be traced to Abraham

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:58pm

      As can Judaism and Christianity. The religion of the Israelite’s is not the religion of Judaism which was founded in 300-500 AD.

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    • littleQueenie
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:17pm

      Not really – not with any historical or archeological evidence.
      Muslims claim it through Ishmael even though there has never been any solid evidence that Muhammad was a blood relative of Ishmael.
      The Qur’an speaks about Abraham but changes the story. Instead of Hagar being a slave woman, she becomes Abraham’s wife and (most important) instead of Abraham offering Isaac to God their version makes it Ishmael that was offered up – therefore making Ishmael the linage of God’s covenant with man.
      Both sides cannot be true because they contradict each other.
      Anyway you know what the Bible says about Ishmael –
      He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.” (Gen. 25:18)

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    • ChartreuseMuse
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 7:58pm

      If there is such contradiction then how can there be any historical or archaeological evidence for either mythology???
      Oral stories handed down by generations of shamans that are finally written down by different peoples are simply that, stories. He said, she said.

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    • littleQueenie
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 8:55pm

      @chartreusemuse
      Archeological or historical records can largely confirm the scriptural record of the Bible.
      The same claim cannot be made about the Qur’an.

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    • Welcome Black Carter
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 8:32pm

      The only way to make sense of islam is when you realize satan is the god of the muslims. To say it is the god of Christianity is one of the great lies of all time.

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