Saudi Cleric Issues Fatwa Defending Pedophilia as ‘Marriage’
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It is difficult to imagine defending pedophilia at all, let alone issuing a religious decree officially condoning it through the act of marriage. Yet that is what one Saudi cleric has reportedly done by issuing a fatwa defending Muslim “child marriage” or, pedophilia.
Dr. Salih bin Fawzan, a cleric in Saudi Arabia’s highest religious council, has reportedly issued a fatwa asserting that there is no minimum age for marriage and that girls can be married “even if they are in the cradle.”
According to FrontPage:
Appearing in Saudi papers on July 13, the fatwa complains that “Uninformed interference with Sharia rulings by the press and journalists is on the increase, posing dire consequences to society, including their interference with the question of marriage to small girls who have not reached maturity, and their demand that a minimum age be set for girls to marry.”
Fawzan insists that nowhere does Sharia set an age limit for marrying girls: like countless Muslim scholars before him, he relies on Koran 65:4, which discusses marriage to females who have not yet begun menstruating (i.e., are prepubescent) and the fact that Muhammad, Islam’s role model, married Aishawhen she was 6-years-old, “consummating” the marriage—or, in modern parlance, raping her—when she was 9.
FP reports that the point of the fatwa is not so much that girls as young as 9 can follow Muhammad’s example and have sexual intercourse, but that there is in fact no age limit at all for the children to be taken as wives. FP asserts the only question posed by the cleric is whether the child is literally physically capable of “bearing the weight” of her new husband, or, molester.
Fawzan reportedly illustrates this point by quoting Ibn Batal’s authoritative religious text Sahih Bukhari:
The ulema [Islam’s interpreters] have agreed that it is permissible for fathers to marry off their small daughters, even if they are in the cradle. But it is not permissible for their husbands to have sex with them unless they are capable of being placed beneath and bearing the weight of the men. And their capability in this regard varies based on their nature and capacity. Aisha was 6 when she married the prophet, but he had sex with her when she was 9 [i.e., when she was deemed capable].
Fawzan then reportedly concludes his fatwa with the warning:
“It behooves those who call for setting a minimum age for marriage to fear Allah and not contradict his Sharia, or try to legislate things Allah did not permit. For laws are Allah’s province; and legislation is his excusive right, to be shared by none other. And among these are the rules governing marriage.”
FP reminds us that Fawzan is not the first Islamic leader to legitimize pedophilia in Islam and that the former grand mufti of Saudi Arabia himself also supported “child-marriage,” citing the Quran and Sunna as proof.
Needless to say many young girls are falling victim such rulings. FP relates the circumstances surrounding the horrific death of a 13 year old girl who was reportedly raped and killed by her husband:
Recall, for instance, the 13-year-old girl who died while her much older husband was copulating with her (it was later revealed that, due to her reluctance, he was tying her up and “raping” her—as if there is another way to describe sex with children); or the 12-year-old who died giving birth to a stillborn; or the 10-year-old who made headlines by hiding out from her 80-year-old “husband.”
But there are likely numerous other instances that go unreported as the victims’ fear bringing any attention that might result in further abuse, or even their murder.
Where are the human rights abuse investigations at times like these?
The picture above features a Muslim cleric who was jailed for marrying and having intercourse with a 12-year old he took as his bride.
The pictures in this article have been updated for clarity.
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Comments (609)
Sunnyr
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:02amDisgusting vermin! Is it any wonder these people are held in such low esteem by most decent people in the world? They should all be castrated!!
Report Post »Hula Calhoun
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 11:56amUnfortunately the only people castrated in that society are the girls.
Report Post »palrider1
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 11:56amCastrated? Off with their “head”!!!!!
Report Post »Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:13pmlet’s do something more constructive..
Let’s try to think of a Muslim invention (Besides torture). Like an actual invention…
Report Post »JimConstitution
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:58amWe continue to kill one million babies a year. Where is the same out rage? Child marriage as bad as it is, is not a bad as murder of a innocent child, or is it?
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:15amJim, in case you haven’t noticed, I don’t see any Far-Left freaks posting on this story. My guess is that most posting here are Pro-Life, instead of Pro-Choice. (The baby doesn’t get a choice – does it?)
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:26amWell the last time I posted the full names of every baby butchering doctor who has been assinated, The Blaze blocked my post. I guess it was too inflamitory or maybe they are worried about lawsuits from surviving family members. But there is plenty of outrage.
Report Post »Wilkins
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:01amLOL Islesfordian, like the gentleman he is, rushes to Rose Ellen’s aid. Islesford, Rose is a strong, modern, progressive woman and is quite capable of spewing her own drivel when she chooses.
Anyone who doesn’t understand that Sharia law is incompatible with the west, or indeed with any society that doesn’t condone and even institutionalise pedophilia, needs to listen to these imams, and to islesfordian’s defense of the indefensible.
Do it for the children.
Report Post »Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:17pmMuslims want as many babies as possible. Outgrowing most families 7 to 1.
At least they are being fruitful and multiplying. Imagine if Christians obeyed God’s commandment. Would the world be a better place?
Report Post »Christians now believe in cultural theocracy with a dash of Christ.
Psychosis
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:58amthese are rose ellens heroes
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:06amNo one can defend this crap….Oh My God!
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:33am@ GODLOVINMOM
Rose Ellen can .
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:38amThere is only one man that knows what Islam wants from us, and he could be our next president.
Who said this?… “The Soul of our Country ‘depends’ on who we send to Washington DC”
Go here to find out… http://tinyurl.com/3rn5kkn
Report Post »MartyTr
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 3:01amDoes Rose Ellen know they cut off the girls clitoris’? Polygamy, rape, honor killings, beatings, lies. All based on what the perfect mohammad did.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:07amThis is a very badly written and biased article. It assume there are universal and objective standards for defining when children reach adulthood. There aren’t. In fact, if one where to go by biological standards alone the Islamic standard is the most rational one. The demarcation between childhood and adukthood is clearest with the onset of puberty. After that there are no recognizable physical threshholds. It is like the definitio of when life begins. Conception is the only one that makes sense, because everything after that is just a series of continual developments.
To say that a 13 year old girl is emotionally a child is not an objective staement, because it is based upon no clear definition of how emotionally maturity relates to biological age and when it is acheived. I have known some really immature 21 year olds. I think most of us over 40 would consider that we were young fools in our early twenties. So what makes an 18 year old girl old enough to marry?
Report Post »aesaac
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:46amwhat a religion
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:46amI am not surprised that there is so little desire here to engage in a idspassionate analysis of the foundational for the ethics surrounding marriage and sexual behavior. People are encouraged to be rather hot-headed here.
But I AM surprised at the blatant acts of censorship against comments which are entirely non-obscene, which engage in no personal attacks, but which seek to lay out some rational arguments. It seems to me that the only reason can be that they don’t like rational critiques of some of their reactionary and emotionladen positions.
Report Post »Sheepdog911
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:52amPIGs in rut. This is coming to a neighborhood near you as we allow sharia a foothold in our legal system. Sharia compliant lending and multiple wives … our own presdient is the product of just such a marriage. We must say ‘no” while we have the chance.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:55amI think rose ellenmust be the screen name for a Muslim man who is also a pediphile if “she” defends this. I was molested at a very young age, and it scars you for life. This shows they have absolutly no regard for women and just considers them property.
Report Post »GRAMPA-D-NH
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:55am@ISLES
“It behooves those who call for setting a minimum age for marriage to fear Allah and not contradict his Sharia, or try to legislate things Allah did not permit. ”
Judging by the volume of your posts on this topic, it seems to have struck a chord with you. Lectures on history and culture will never change my mind that this is fatwa is evil. I think it does us good to call evil out clearly and stand against it, especially when the practitioners have designs on infiltrating and eventually extinguishing our culture and religion.
Report Post »wesleyapril
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:21amAnd to think liberals love this slimy religion. Doesn’t it do you good knowing that you can marry days old girls – and as for the Muslime saying that there is no clear indicator when a child becomes a adult – you are one sick puppy and your religion is straight from H E L L
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:25amJudging by what the Blaze lets get posted here I would say that they do not want discussions or reasoned arguments taking place. Just post your angry reactions. The more emotional and/or violent in rhetoric the better.
Report Post »decendentof56
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:26amSO….let me see if I have this straight.
Report Post »In Islamist eyes, beating or stoning women is ok, even if they are raped or if they have sex out of wedlock. I forget the punishment for a woman walking out of her home without a ‘proper’ escort, but there is one for that, right? and….
Haven’t I read that Muslims think the West is a decadent society without morals?
OK…got it! I’m good!
BIGJAYINPA
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:45amWell of course they condone and approve of pedophilia. After all the psychotic, mysoginistic pervert they call their prophet set the standard from the get go. Religion of peace, religion of tolerance, yea right……Just sayin’
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:05amwhat perverse society and religion. we will never be able to live side by side with that. they have to go not just from here but from everywhere on the planet.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:11amBTW, has anyone noticed that the character counter when commenting overcounts the characters you have left by 10 or so? You can easily wind up having the end of a sentence cut off.
Report Post »vincere vel mori
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:13amWTF? These people are sick in the head. They criticize christians, they call us infidels. Yeah ok, Im a proud infidel, you guys are perverts and child molesters. Oh yeah, toilet paper works alot better than your right hand you rag heads.
Report Post »Romanticpoet
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:15am@THEPATRIOTDAVE
I totally agree with Allen West for POTUS 2012. A statesman, a supporter of America, and a Liberal’s worst nightmare.
Allen also said “A man must stand for something; or he will fall for anything”……
Report Post »Shiroi Raion
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:20amI haven’t seen any censorship on The Blaze. That aside, I agree with Gramp, Isles; this post does seem to have struck a nerve with you.
Yes, I find 18-25 year olds immature. Most 18 year olds don’t seem mature enough to raise children, but they are legal adults and must take responsibility for their own actions. Infants, 10 year olds… that’s an entirely different matter. These children are too young to even realize the consequences of their actions and aren’t even old enough to make informed decisions in most cases. That’s common sense. 150 years ago, children too often didn’t see adulthood. Before that, children were treated as adults by the law. Again, there is no valid comparison to today. This is pedophilic sex slavery. There is no valid comparison to adults. Your arguments were well worded, as if you’re trying to impress someone, but that didn’t make your argument logical.
The censorship? That may simply be a spam filter. You’ve posted a ridiculous amount for a single story.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:56amYou beat me to it… Yeah..I logged onto here just to talk to her. Rose Ellen. If you are the good Catoholic like you say you are and you serve Jesus..His Word in the Bible says those who curse Israel will be cursed and those blessing Israel will be blessed. Rose Ellen..you need to learn the bible. In 2001, 6 million muslims were converting to Christianity. You need to be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem. The Jews are God’s chosen people. You can’t help the muslims if you are going against Jesus and His Father God. muslims think it is blasphemy to believe that God has a Son. God said, if you do not believe that Jesus/Yeshua is My Son and died for you and rose on the third day, then you have no part with me.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:01amIf your comments haven’t been deleted you may not have seen the censorship. I have tried posting long and short posts and there is no rationale for what gets through and what doesn’t. No automatic filter can account for it. It can only be that someone is heavily “monitoring” my comments. Censorship by any other name.
As for whether this post struck a nerve with ME; it clearly struck a nerve with everybody else, juding by the emotions displayed. Few want to reason out the issue or have their judgments analyzed. I don‘t think I’m the one with my nerves exposed her. I confess to being a stubbirn argumentative contrarian, but when I see very inflammatory words like rape and pedophile being thrown around with little regard for important distinctions my instinct to defend elementary logic kicks in, and I get bull headed about logic.
For me, one of the hallmarks of liberalism has been a willingness to change definitions and using words with flexible meanings that can snare our emotional loyalty without engaging our critical thinking. Social Justice, paying their fair share, discrimination, equality rights, environmental stewardship, quality of life, et cet. What do these words and phrases really mean? With liberals they are never fully defined. that’s their game. And if they can’t get us to buy into their new terminology I think they win the battle down the road if they can get us to abandon being precise about our own definitions. They’ll just wait for next time.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:01amI don’t defend it but come on here in the west we have a history of young gitrls marrying and arranged marriages and children getting rape and abused and murdered by american men.You cite instances of abuse and murder of children there,you could cite instsnces of abuse and murder here too.marrage traditionally occurred at very young ages throughout the west and one cleric is not all clerics and all muslims.you story as usual is skewed for genocidal anti-muslim ppurposes!
Report Post »NotFooled
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:39amI’m disgusted and the people who defend this should be ashamed yourselves. You also need to be put on the predators list to be tracked. I don’t care if the people doing it, do it for religious reasons or anything else. IT”S STILL CHILD RAPE! These are babies. Dishonorable acts.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:48amClitotorectomy happened among christian too [it is cultural,not islamic]as have honor killings ,rape and beatings of women and children.It happens every day in this country you hypocrites!.growing up it was standard for american parents to beat their children [and many still believe in beating children-not my parents than God].And many still beat their wives. Polygamy is in the old testament and if you believe in secularism and freedom which legitimizes gay marriage why not polygamy for those who freely choose it?Of course i don’t believe in child marriage but they are laying down the bare minimun of when a girl can marry[that she must be pubescent recognizes that biologically that is when a person becomes sexual [in terms of hormones and therefor possibly sex drive and of course conception] it is a minumun recognition of the facts of life and does not mean that it is optimal .But again it has been more the norm for people to marry young much younger then today and even biologically having children at older ages is not without problems either.This is just a guide based on biology .Of course you twist it out of proportion.In empoverished traditional societies where people have alot of children,knowing that each of your children have a future[economically] because they have been married is a relief for these large empoverished families living in the desert! It does not mean they should be abused and it is not as optimal as choosing to marry someone you happen to meet.& love
Report Post »wesleyapril
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:50amRose Ellen isn’t American – when have you ever heard another American refer to their countryman is American? Nope. Glad to finally have seen the person that we are all arguing with.
Report Post »Attention2Detail
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 10:10amISLES
Report Post »Are you insane. Have you ever noticed that children continue to grow to the age of about 18? Just because a girl menstuates does not mean she is physically mature. Having sex with children is wrong, and you can argue about the age, but until a person has stopped growing, she is a child. This is not at 13. At the very least it would be 16 and I would argue that it is about 18. Isn’t it a strange coincidence that these are the ages adopted by most civilized peoples to allow marriage?
NotFooled
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 10:25am@Wesleyapril. Rose defends the “Culture of Death” at every opportunity aka Islam. As disgusting and morbid as it is she is entitled to her opinion. Can’t say she would have the same rights in an Islamic country. But she is blind to that fact and that is what makes it so sad. No she is not American. She is European and wishes us to be just as broke and voiceless as they are in their Governments. She is in love with the Islamic culture, so it made me think she was Islamic but she is not.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 10:31amThat’s a valid point. Girls and boys do stop growing around that age. But I’m not sure it is an obvious moral truth that Girls should not get married until they are finished growing. I don’t see the necessary connection. You don’t think that mary was 18 when she gave birth to Jesus, do you? that would be a rather late age in that society and I think it would have been mentioned. So, if tradition is right and she was ayoung girl of 14 or 15 then God apparently thought that was a good age to have the Mother of God be pregnant. God could easily have waited until the cuture changed, but he didn’t.
Of course, that is purely a religious argument, and that may mean nothing to you. My point is that I am reluctant to call “wrong” the early marriages that my forefathers approved simply because we think 18 is better.
Report Post »Hula Calhoun
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 12:07pmWesleyapril: I don’t know about Rose-Ellen not being American, but in a comment she made recently regarding another article she did out herself as a member of Code Pink.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 12:24pm“For laws are Allah’s province; and legislation is his excusive right, to be shared by none other. And among these are the rules governing marriage.”
Kind of sounds like the Right Wing Christians here when they talk about marriage equality and the right of a woman to seek the medical care she desires for her body.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 12:46pmThe right to get rid of her baby, you mean encinom. Yeah, we Christians are all about imposing religious laws like “Thou shalt not muder”. Let’s scrap all that stuff, then.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:27pmIslesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 12:46pm
The right to get rid of her baby, you mean encinom. Yeah, we Christians are all about imposing religious laws like “Thou shalt not muder”. Let’s scrap all that stuff, then.
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Thats the problem, the Christians of this nation are so small minded, they fail to realize, we are not a theocracy, are laws are not based on collections of fairy tales. Like the right of a woman to make decisions on her health care and not seek the approval of a shaman, witchdoctor or priest. Like the right of individuals to decide who they wish to spend their lives with.
The Reich Wing Christians of this nation are an infection that seeks to destory what make sthis nation great.
Report Post »Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:22pmOh Rosie, Give me proof of Christian “clitoralectomies”.
Report Post »You give no proof. You just say it happened and we are all supposed to believe it?
Give a history timeline and a bibliography. I’d like to read up on it.
NotFooled
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:36pm@Encinom. So killing of children is cool in your book. Wow, Religion aside, killing of innocent children under any conditions goes against any sane person’s moral standards. We as Americans have a love that the world exploits. We are the most giving Nation in aid on this planet. So we as a people have a moral conscience. So the abortion clinics that are set up in the low income areas were put there out of Love from the left? SMH! Ask Russia how their population is doing from an open clinic/abortion policy of the USSR era. They may not recover from the decimation of their little one. Not all Atheists are Communists but all Communists are Atheists. I’m sure the Chinese will be happy to fill in the vacuum just as Mexico has done for us.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:43pmso, in your world, without a divine authority standing above the state, what is to prevent the state changing the law to allow murder of unwelcome minorities? It’s not like THAT has never happened. Democracy is, after all, two wolves and a sheeep voting on what to have for dinner.
Report Post »SHOWMESTATEGUY
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 10:43pmrose-ellen knowns . The reason rose-ellen knows is the fact that he is a muslim man.
Report Post »sisserydoo
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 11:25pm@Islesfordian “You don’t think that mary was 18 when she gave birth to Jesus, do you? that would be a rather late age in that society and I think it would have been mentioned. So, if tradition is right and she was ayoung girl of 14 or 15 then God apparently thought that was a good age to have the Mother of God be pregnant.” There is a big difference between 14 or 15 and 6 or 7. In general a child of 6 or 7 is still living with her parents and being taken care of by them. That’s because she’s not an adult!!! It’s pretty clear around the world that a child of 6 or 7 cannot take care of herself properly and needs to live with someone who can, and by that I mean a parent or other guardian, and not some creepy old pervert. To marry at 12 or 13 would be incredibly borderline, but 14 or 15 is almost like an adult. I know it’s not accepted in the US, but if these girls were that old I don’t think we’d be seeing this kind of disgusted reaction.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 11:26pm@old white guy
Report Post »Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:05am
what perverse society and religion. we will never be able to live side by side with that. they have to go not just from here but from everywhere on the planet.
****
Isn’t this the same evil people that the Bible says God was Wrath with, and sent Israel to destroy them and possess their land!
Why do we and the UN want to give it back to the perverted people??
sisserydoo
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 11:30pm@Islesfordian Also, you said,” The demarcation between childhood and adukthood is clearest with the onset of puberty. After that there are no recognizable physical threshholds.” The onset of puberty is incredibly variable. One of my daughters friends started her period when she was 9, and I did when I was 16. (I can’t believe I’m discussing this here ) Does that mean she was an adult when she was 9 and I was when I was 16? I really don’t think so. Also, adulthood is not only determined by physical thresholds, but also by mental and emotional thresholds.
Report Post »Bids
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 9:31pmISLESFORDIAN, the people here just vomit out hate towards whatever the topic is, connecting it with liberals every time. THat’s all this site is about. Hate, closemindedness and ignorance.
Report Post »martinrnelson
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:57amI have a little girl and to think this M-F’er believes that girls of any age can marry is just reason 5000 why Sharia and any Muslim religion is screwed up. So if I can some up a little of Mohammeds teachings…he believes that innocent women and children should and can be blown up if it supports their terrorist agenda of world domination. Women are the property of men and honor killings of family members are condoned if their actions embarrass the man. Little girls, lets say 6 years old, can marry and although it’s not necessary, can have sexual intercourse with their sick Muslim pedophile husbands. That’s just the wave tops.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:10amRead the Koran it does get a lot worse…….
Report Post »Please people READ IT!
But don’t allow yourself to be deceived by it. Know the truth first then the lie is easy to spot!
Dustyluv
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:57amI have read it. I have also read the Bible. In the end only one holds water. In the end of that one…we win and these pephiles go to hell…
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 4:03amWhat’s your minimum age? Not for your daughter, because as a parent you have the right to make that judgment. But what age do you as a rule hold to be the mininum for any girl whatsoever, such that you would judge it morally wrong for her to be married younger than that?
I ask this because I think many people here naively assume that their recent age definitions are a part of the Christian tradition, rather than a very modern and evolution.
As a Conservative I am instinctively wary of and often hostile to any attitude that says our modern ways are better than the old traditions merely because we know better than they did. that way of thinking is the grease that oils the slippery slope of moral moral relativism.
loriann12
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:12am@Islesfordian
Let me start with I have sons, not daughters. I believe the minimum age should be 17 for girls to marry. You can be graduated from high school at 17. I understand that some cultures say whenever a woman starts menstruating. I started my period at 12 years of age. I don’t believe 12 year olds have that ability to make that decision. They are too influenced by adults, and still seek adult aproval, depending on adults to make the right decision. If it was a cultural thing and they wanted to lower the age to 13, I would almost accept that. But there is no way I could accept a 6 year old. I can almost understand betrothal of children that are the same age, when they marry once they get older. But these people aren’t discussing that. They are discussing grown men, in their 20‘s and 30’s marrying 6 year olds, or younger.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:53am@Lorianne
Good. Thank you. Your position sounds clear. I would put the minimum age lower than you, with parental consent, or course. But understand I am not agruing to accept six year olds getting married. I would not be comfortable with that at all.
But, and this is a big qualifier, I am also aware that what I am comfortable with doesn’t always have to do with what God says is right or wrong. A lot of our thougts about what is right for marriage and when is “old enough” comes from our ideas about what marriage ought to be. But not all these ideas are laid out in the Bible, and some may be wrong, or at least unimportant. I hear often that marriage should be between equals, kids roghly the same age and all that. But I know that wasn’t the idea of marriage centuries ago, and it wasn’t the idea in the days of the Bible. Women could be much younger than the men. Women died in childbirth a lot, so there is that natural explanation ther. But still, I don’t see much support in the Bible for taking the position that marriage MUST be between people of the same socio-economic level and of roughly the same age.
In our culture where individualism is so doiminant and marriages sink or swim ontheir own it makes sense to requiere emotional maturity on the part of both. But if the marriage is supported within the community different calculations come into play. Of course I don’t think much about the health of Muslim communities. But ther are Christian models for community t
Report Post »NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:49am@Isles
How about when their last teeth come in? Like when their 25!
I fear that you‘ve been up all night drinking because you’re not making a lot of sense. The age of consent may vary among individuals but as a whole, is very reasonably placed around a time period when a person becomes an autonomous, freely thinking individual who is capable of choosing her mate. At least in this species, that doesn’t happen until a girl finishes her development, which includes the development of her brain. Additionally, our species is a long lived one, so to argue that a girl is ready for copulation when “she can bear his weight” shows absolutely zero regard for her as a human being but instead treats her like a gilt. (A gilt, for those of you in Loma Linda, is a young female PIG that’s not ready to be bred!) THAT’S THE POINT, GENIUS! And that, my friend, is what clearly demarcates US from THEM!
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:54amI have 9 year old daughters. There is NO WAY on God’s green earth I would EVER permit them to get married at this age – not to another 4th grader & certainly not to a middle-aged, smelly dust dweller. Heck, I even joke with them that they can‘t date until they’re at least 30, that they have established themselves as financially independent women, & that all prospective dates must pass a full background & credit check. One of my girls is remarkably mature while her sister isn’t quite on the same level. At what point would you permit a marriage for 2 girls like that?
Report Post »Some girls start menstruating as young as 8 years of age. Is that an appropriate age if she is “emotionally mature” enough to handle the enormous responsibilities of marriage & motherhood? How about the virtual lack of education & access to health care for these girls? While working in & for various hospitals, I have seen girls as young as 10 deliver babies & the “father” is considerably older. These girls typically have a wide range of issues from lack of self esteem & self-respect to distorted ideas of what love is to a total lack of understanding as to what being a mother really is. They are usually coerced into sex by a manipulative older guy who exploits these issues. After seeing first hand how these girls suffer as a result of grown-up behavior experienced at such an early age, I just can’t see how anyone can advocate marriage for “responsible” young girls.
Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:17amAs for how I would arrange society, I would take the traditional Jewish age of adulthood at 13 and allow marriage, with parental consent, at that age and marriage without it at 16 as long as they children can be legally emancipated. I definitely don’t like the ideas of ten year olds getting married, but I’m not happy with the idea of arranged marriages.
But the Bible doesn’t say when girls are old enough to be married. Nor does it say that arranging marriages for children is wrong. Is it a problem for some of you that I remain less than adamant in making moral judgments where the Bible is silent?
Is polygamy the ideal for marriage? No way. Was David wicked for taking more than one wife? The Bible doesn’t seem to take a stand. yet the church DID take a stand forbidding polygamy. I have no problem with that. The church is almost always smarter than I am, and I‘m not smart enough to know when it isn’t. Yet I’m not aware that the church has anywhere made a formal statement on what is the minimum age of marriage. So I guess we’re back to marriage at 12, which was acceptable when the church had real power over society. But that position would be condemne by many here.
So what‘s our basis for making more judgments and how adamant should we be if we’re making the without the Bible and long standing tradition backing us up? I‘m not saying we shouldn’t make judgments about these things. I just think we should not try to speak with divine authority on this.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:28am@Shirelover,
I think you have hoit the nail on the head. I am trying to reason on things that people get emotional about. I know how irritating tha can be. I am implicitly offending their moral sense. I get it. It’s very easy to deal in emotions on blogs. Reasoning is harder, especially when the site administrators don’t encourage it, which apparently the case at the Blaze.
“throughout the rest of history, when a girl began menstruating, she became a woman. That is a historical fact. That does not mean it is morally right.”
Yes, but what makes it morally WRONG? Simply asking this question seems to offend many.
A ten year old dying in childbirth is awful. But have you heard the phrase, “Hard cases make bad law”? Making rulsed based solely on a particular instance rather than clearly defined principles always results in poorly crafted law and usually many bad unintended consequneces.
But agian, this is trying to call for calm dispassionate reason when dealing with a very passionate concept. what a dope I must be.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:38am@Islesfordian
If you’re going to use the Bible as a reference, marriage is supposed to result in procreation. Women too young to breed should not be married. Girls that haven’t gone through puberty yet should be off limits. Yes, Mary was supposedly 14-15 and Joseph was in his 40′s (from what I’ve read), but 14-15 is a far cry from 6. The outrage with this fatwa is that it is making it ok to wed girls as young as still in the cradle. I‘m not sure in today’s society a 13 year old can make accurate decisions. This culture devalues women so badly, it’s purely to satisfy the male. Did you look up thighing?
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 10:45amLoriann, you’ve missed an important point. The story does not talk about sex at 6. Marriage does not mean automatic sex. the consummation comes when the girl reaches puberty. that’s standard Islamic teaching, regardless of what this cleric says. So if marriage is made for procreation a marriage formally conducted with a prepubescent girl couldn’t be consummated until after puberty.
Look, I have no brief for Islam. it’s vilent, oppressive, it has no serious ethic of sexual purity or marriage that isn’t geared to defending the power of the man over the woman. It is a perversion of religion. BUT, when I attack it for its evils I want to do so with clear and precise accusatins founded on cold reason and solid principles so that my argument can’t be turned against me. People here like to throw out bold words to bolster their argument regardles of how accurate they are. lot’s of people like to shout “Treason!” and call Obama or Pelosi a traitor. Well those words have clear meanings and they don’t fit obama or Pelosi, not in the legal sense. Being poetic with language is fun, but it makes your argument less useful.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 10:46amNot american? Oh my what a crime! Americans are one identity among others in the world-no more no less hence I do what you do regarding everyone else[label used to marginalize i.e..place outside the [american]standard] .I’m a cultural relativist [though I subcribe to my western american culture]. I don’t dehumanize or demonize other no matter how backward their mores.I try to understand where they are coming from and there is always a logic or meaning consistent with their environment and their history.Their backward moral codes have internal consistency and being backwards [morally] doesn’t make you evil. Though the acts themselves are evil the people themselves are not they believe their codes protect women and society and are in keeping with natural law.Our morality has evolved and continues to and the fact that our moral codes are far in advance of theirs does not prevent us from going outside our morality and committing the most grieveous immoral acts at least as often and probobly more often then they do[wife beating,murder, child abuse,rape etc].Culture is passed down by women and i hope they change their culture.But it‘s their business and I’d love to hear their perspective on their culture.i’m not jumping on your genocidal anti -muslim agenda.No matter what you tell me about them![and coming from a nation of wife beaters,child abusers and murderers ,clean up your own house before you go on your genocidal campaign against muslims]!
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 3:27pmRose-Ellen…thank you once again for your meandering, incoherent rant. Your flaccid defense of all things not American is noted. You conflate domestic violence, genital mutilation and corporal punishment into a disjointed, incoherent ball of nonsense. However, this high-ranking cleric uses the Q‘oran and Q’oranic scholars to declare that a girl can marry even when in the cradle but that sex should only take place if the child can “support the man’s weight”. Your paltry “pubescent” defense is duly noted and discarded. You defend the indefensible and your attempted relativism (a distinct and sad trait of liberals) on Islamic society betrays your befuddled mind.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:56amWhen will the World condemn this hideous, so-called, religion? How is Islam any better than the KKK, who claimed to be Christians?
The KKK were racist against Jews and Blacks, and hated Catholics. The Muslims are racist against Jews and hate all Christians, not just Catholics. Only the color of their robes are different.
They take little girls as “wives” because they’re easier to subjugate at an early age. They don’t know any better.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 3:25pmMuslims are not against christians and jews.Until western[anti-muslim] colonialism and european zionism they lived as arabs in arab land and each religion had the right to its own religious hence penal codes.sounds stange but in a predemocractic secular world it was more enlightened then what was happening in europe between the different faiths and denominations!The conflicts now result from western dominationwhich favored christians over muslims and of course allowed for european zionists to create a jewish state where arabs[non european zionists ]were cleansed by hook or by crook from their homes where they had been living for hundreds of years or more!.
Report Post »Inour society we all have alot of autonomy of movement and over our security.In pre advanced societies security is not easy to come by hence marrying young met that need for survival and economic and human security.You can’t say all arab women are mistreated by marrying young any more then that women here are all treated well.early arragened marriages met the human need for security in a society where food, home and income are not easy to come by in a deseert pre industrial people.The culture lives on and perhaps it will change as they globallize. it is their business-as the women get more educated[and they are there]let them effect cultural change,if they so choose.And here autonomy also has its price as the rincrese in mental illness and other problems of our enlightened society reveals.
AvengerK
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 3:39pmRose-Ellen..you offered this idiocy earlier- Posted on July 27, 2011 at 3:25pm
Muslims are not against christians and jews.Until western[anti-muslim] colonialism and european zionism they lived as arabs in arab land and each religion had the right to its own religious hence penal codes.sounds stange but in a predemocractic secular world it was more enlightened then what was happening in europe between the different faiths and denominations!
You couldn’t be more dishonest and wrong Rose-Ellen even by your standards..I quote the Hadith one of the three holy books of Islam- ‘The Last Hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: `Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him’; but the tree Gharkad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.’ (Sahih Muslim, Book 40, Number 6985). You’re not fooling anyone Rose-Ellen.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:56pmJust knowing your actual age is a relatively modern development.No birth certificates are given out. in these tribal societies .what mattered is that you are here and a part of the community and your relationships;not your age.Hence again you’re seeing this from a very narrow lense.[as you do with everything islamic or what you call islamic and which more often then not is tribal ,and cultural].
Report Post »When you refuse to translate the arabic word Allah for God which is accurate then all your quotes and expressed “knowledge”about islam and its’ history is suspect.And the gospels make derogatory references about jews which was the impetus to 2000yrs. of european anti-semitism culminating in attempted genocide.There are pleny of saudi women around today.Ask them if they feel enslaved and afraid. i‘m sure some find their society oppressive and some don’t.some find it freeing compared to western hyper individualization. Either way they pass on the culture and when and if they experience their lives as more oppressive then liberating then that tipping point will influence their culture. You want to call islam a gutter religion then go head,we as a secular democracy have our own systemic evils to challenge.[pre-emptive mass murdering wars,abortion,massive abuse of children in foster care industry[including many deaths],criminal injustice.etc.I‘m not attacking a religion i don’t belong to [or a culture].And “facts” presented coming from atmitted opponents of islam i don’
mossbrain
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:55amI just ordered some Knights Templar T shirts and baseball caps. If I see anyone else wearing them I’ll say “In Hoc Signo Vinces”. We’ll both know why we wear this decorative clothing. Not that we are going to do anything illegal but to show our disgust of Muslims. There are a bunch of different designs at various online shops. I like the two knights on a single horse design best.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:54amROSE-ELLEN, I saw tickets to Saudi for less than $1000. Hurry and get one for your little bride-to-be!
Report Post »Lou Ellen Brown
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:53amI do not understand how centuries old tribal pederasts are even allowed to exist in what is supposed to be a civilized world. Even in the ancient times men who did evil such as this were considered to be spawn of the devil and were exterminated by the Israel. Idol worshipers were to be shunned or eliminated, and children were not used for whatever that “marriage” represented, then or now. For God’s sake, save those little girls! Oh, and an occasional little boy, too, I have read. Why does America send money to build mosques for those creatures? Excuse my unPC attitude.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 3:44am“Even in the ancient times men who did evil such as this were considered to be spawn of the devil ”
I don’t know if you really are aware of marriage practices worldwide and throughout history. Child brides have been common in many cultures, even in ours, and accepted by all levels of society. Henry VIII’s grandmother was 12 when she married, and a widow at 13 when she gave birth to the future Henry VII.. The minimum age for marriage in Christian Europe was 12. This is close to the Jewsih age of 13. Islam sets no specific age except that for the marriage to be consumated the girl must be an “adult”, which means she has reached puberty. That is why they separate menstruating girls from the others in schools. They consider, regadless of what our society thinks, that girls who have reached puberty are no l,onger “children”.
I think Islam is a vile and oppressive religion, yet posts like these encourage a kind of modernist chauvanism that recklessly lifts up arbitrary (and recent) cultural norms as absolutes. 150 or so years ago 16 year old girls were not considered children but young adults. Unmarried girls of 25 were considered risking being old maids. Times change and our standards change, but we are on thin ice if we judge another culture by our own modern standards as if they came down from Mount Sinai, which our own history shows that they didn’t.
Remember this fact: It’s common tradition that Joseph was fairly old and that Mary was the 14-15 when they mar
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:14am@Islesfordian
Why do you keep talking about 12 and 13 year old girls? This isn’t the problem. Did you READ the article? They’re allowing marriage of girls STILL IN THE CRADLE. If you condone this, maybe you’re a closet pediphile.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:32amI read the article. I’m responding to some of the comments here and in the article which clearly take the position that marrying a 13 year old is “rape” because she is a “child”. I am challenging the weak argument behind that, or rather the refusal to gave any argument, implying that those positions are unrgauable, when our own history shows otherwise.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:55amunarguable, i meant. i’m not even sure that THAT is spelt right.
Report Post »shirelover
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:13amIsles – I think the real problem is that you are trying to reason with us and we tend to get emotionally upset at the idea of child brides. What you are saying is correct. In fact there are still some states here in the US that allows girls 13 to be married. For an example, Loretta Lynn. However, the article was not talking of romantic matches, but arrainged matches made for these children. I am horriffied and grief stricken for these GIRLS. I think you are trying to say that our “standard” age of late teens to early twenties is modern and throughout the rest of history, when a girl began menstruating, she became a woman. That is a historical fact. That does not mean it is morally right. There is no reason on earth you could give that would make this right. NO ONE should ever have to live what these children have to suffer. Come on, a 10 yr old dying in childbirth???
Report Post »nestbuilder
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:49amThe last line of this article says it all. Where are the Human rights activist? Where is the outcry for these little girls and their mothers. I just can’t imagine how they must suffer. It’s like the World really is upside down. God tells them to kill whole countries of people, to hate, to cheat on their wives with his blessing, to repeatedly rape young girls, stoning women for leaving the house alone, beheading those accused of aiding a Jew, etc. If this were any other religion we would be arresting their leaders and there would be nonstop hounding from the press until the UN took military action to remove the Clerics.
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:59amThis whole story is sick. I would love to meet these “husbands.” The problem with your post is that the UN isn’t capable of any meaningful military action. I have seen them in “action.” The bad actors laugh whenever they see the powder blue helmuts!! Matter of fact we did too!!
Report Post »MartyTr
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 3:05amN.O.W., the UN, none of these hypocrits care what happen to muslim girls and women. What is their agenda???? Liberal women are cowards, they kill the unborn too.
Report Post »wesleyapril
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:25amNot to change the subject, but where is the UN, ANY World Leader, ANY Religious leader – when they burn, murder, decapitate men/women and children that are not of their religion? Where is the outrage for the Copts? Where is the outrage when they kill buddhists and hindus? By their inaction, they are supporting these slimy devil worshippers.
It’s probably to late for Europe to save them, and folks its getting to be to late for us.
Report Post »PASSIONFORCHRIST
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:47amIf bo is truely a muslim , I wonder what his answer would be if one of his mentors in the middle east were to ask for one of his daughters in marriage, publicly? Would he be outraged and consider it a pedophiliac act and condemn it or simply decline. SURE HAVEN’T HEARD HIM CONDEMN IT SO FAR!!!!!!!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:24amWell, Malia is 13, which according to ancient Jewish and Christian law is old enough to marry.
But given Obama’s “evolving” stance on gay marriage I’m not sure what relevence ancient Jewish and Christian teaching holds for him.
Report Post »NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:09am@Isles
OK now I‘m absolutely sure you’ve been up all night doing LSD or something.
Of course The Marxist in Chief doesn’t care about Judeochristian teachings, history or anything else Judeochristian. You’d have to be living under a rock the last three years to NOT know that.
You continue to miss the point in every one of your posts on this subject (why so many, hmmm?). You persist in using history as if it were case law that ridiculously gives authority for The Culture of Death’s pedophilic practices.
Human beings live longer in this century than they did in biblical times. So females have the freedom to make their own choices when they are actually mature enough to make their own choices because the pressure to reproduce is not there. This enlightened tradition is more contemporary for the aforementioned reasons. However, you might note that I’ve outlined a Western way of living that assumes 1) FREEDOM, 2) GOOD NUTRITION, 3) GOOD PARENTING, 4)JUDEOCHRISTIAN VALUES and last but not least 5) THE ABSENCE OF ISLAM.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:44amI haven’t been up all night. I’m five hours ahead of you.
In the list of things you give that set out why our culture has raised the minimum age of marriage I think only the first is relevant. The absense of Islam should not be a factor considered because Islam and its basis for morality is the issue we are arguing. Good nutrition and good parenting i don’t think really account for the age rule, and Judeo-christian values aren’t dispossitive because we have seen that they have allowed for lower age limits.
Freedom is the critical issue. We value individual freedom. For that reason we do not like arranged marriages. And the more the concept of freedom is absent within a culture, as it is in Islam, the more offensive arranged marriages will seem. I don’t think we would react quite as passionately to the marriages arranged in 18th century America because the overall society was less cruel and if a girl really wanted to fight for her freedom she would be more likely to find sympathetic defenders. Islam is cruel and domineering, so the forced marriages are like real slavery. No, they ARE real instances of slavery.
THIS is the real issue. But in too many comments it has been mixed with disgust at the mere age of the girls. This confuses what we should be fighting. The slavery in these Muslim marriages are no less if she‘s 18 then if she’s 8. I’ve been fighting to take the sexual disgust out of the equation so we can highlight what really matters. Perhaps a mistake
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 12:56pm@Islesfordian
I can almost see the logic behind arranged marriages (though I don’t agree with it). Most cultures that have arranged marriages (and Ellen, Americans used to do it, the fundamentalists), say that people who know the people involved, ie their elders, are more likely to find a suitable mate based on characteristics. I prefer the meeting and falling in love, myself, but they believe love is a choice and will come (no pun intended). But, when you arrange a marriage between a 6 year old and an 80 year old, something is wrong with their logic. And just because they can bear the weight of the man doesn’t make them desire sex. I realize their culture is different than mine, but sex was the last thing on my mind even at 9. Children of 9 are USUALLY not capable of bearing children, because puberty typically takes place between 12 and 16. And in the Bible times, they married young because their life expectancy was only about 40-50 years old (unless you go WAY back to before the flood). They wanted as long as possible to have as many children as possible. If a man is having sex with a 9 year old, procreation is probably not on his mind.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:02pm@ilesfordian
“THIS is the real issue. But in too many comments it has been mixed with disgust at the mere age of the girls. This confuses what we should be fighting. The slavery in these Muslim marriages are no less if she‘s 18 then if she’s 8. I’ve been fighting to take the sexual disgust out of the equation so we can highlight what really matters. ‘
I have to agree with you there, see we can agree. The abuse would be there were the girl 9 or 19. The reason for my disgust is not merely the age, but the fact that 6-9 year old girls are incapable of defending themselves. BUT, with this society, which has brainwashed their women, I wonder if a 19 year old under that abuse would feel she has a choice? In the end, we can only regulate their behavior when they come to the United States. When I read stories of thighing going on in Detroit, I get infuriated.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:22pmOK, I just googled Thighing. THAT is in NO WAY anything that is defensible!!!
It shows how little respect Islam has for women and how little it teaches men to be pure or decent human beings. All that matters to islam is power, the power of Islam over the believers, and the power of men over thier wifes and children. It is a filthy disgusting culture.
I have been arguing perhaps on too abstract a level, allowing for the hypothetical possibility of a marriage between a man and a very young girl that still seeks to honor the act of marriage. But practices such as THAT show that Islam cares NOTHING for the HONOR of marriage. Their concept of honor is totally screwed up. For them a man is dishonored by a woman not respecting him the way he thinks she should. For me a man is dishonored when HE doesn’t respect OTHERS as he should.
It is a vile religion from a vile man.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:29pmI was imagining a marriage to a six year old like the child marriages used to be in Christian society centuries ago. They would be technically married but she would not live with, let alone sleep with him until she was old enough to be a wife. If this is what Muhammad was doing to six year old Aisha, what a filthy dirtbag pig!! Men who do that should have their manhood ripped off! THAT is pedophilia.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:33pmThanks a lot, Loriann!!
I was trying to stay in the comfortable academic realm of principled theory and now you had to shove my nose in Muslim filth and get me angry.
Evil, Evil, Evil, Evil, Evil, Evil, Evil, Evil, Evil, Evil, Evil, Evil, Evil, Evil, Evil, Evil, Evil,!!!!
I need to wash my mind out now.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:48pm@Islesfordian
I guess you can see where some of us are coming from, after doing your google search. And sorry to make you have to wash your mind out….
Report Post »NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 11:05am@Isles
NOW what do you say to ‘the absence of Islam”????? Welcome to the real world my friend.
Good on you Lori for persevering to get Isles off his high horse and into reality!
Report Post »NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 11:10am@Isles
“Good nutrition and good parenting i don’t think really account for the age rule, and Judeo-christian values aren’t dispossitive because we have seen that they have allowed for lower age limits.”
Really? Look up good nutrition as it relates to when a girl starts to menstruate. Good parenting is a no-brainer. I already blew the lid off your Judeochristian value argument so let’s hear now how Islam is great for kids. You must now understand how the LACK OF ISLAM is the best thing for girls and women in any society, including an Islamic one.
Report Post »texaspatriots
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:47amStories like this just drive home the fact that Christians and Muslims will never find peace. We are polar opposites in just about every belief! There isn’t a terrorist war with radical islamist – make no mistake this is a religous war. I only hope the Christians of today have the devotion they did during the Crusades. Their laws will not ever be accepted here in Texas – anyone trying to marry my 6 year old grandaughter will die from lead poisoning.
Report Post »pschlentz
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 4:32amAMEN TexasPatriot!!
Report Post »Lee Ann
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:46amTeary eyed here.. But I’m no big person..
Report Post »uncensoredTalmud
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 4:48pmEven though there was a post earlier that proved this story is bogus, we still need to nuke all those Islamic countries. Nevermind the women and children would get nuked too.
It’s like when we “liberated” Iraq. 1 million people died in a country of only 30 million people. We call it “Human Rights”. But Saddam had WMD so…
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:44amThese are some very sick people. If I ever find myself in a position of command in the coming crusades I will personally order the castration of any Islamofreak who has had relations with a child-wife. I do believe those wars are coming.
Report Post »Say what you mean and mean what you say.
drattastic
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:52amHow would you determine that Commander ? As your trusted adviser I’d have to recommend annihilation.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:02amOne witness.
Report Post »Lee Ann
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:43amAhhh, I think maybe burying their bodies in the ground and stoning their heads are in order… Makes you wonder why no one wants to report these evils among us.. Hell lets just keep sitting back and watch it as it unfolds, when Oh when will this Country wake up.. Why do w keep trying to be nice to these countries that do these things.. All we need is GOD the ALMIGHTY.. God bless these innocent babies, kids. Anyways where are the Mothers protecting their babies from the evil they probaly went through themselves.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 3:55amImagine yourself as a visitor from Mars and looking at these two cultures: Islam and the West.
In the West children have sex at an early age outside of marriage and public schools pass out condoms so they won’t get diseases or pregnant, and if the girls get pregnant abortions are provided. Sex before and outside marriage is ubiquitous and proclaimed as the norm in all the dominant media, and many people enter into sexual relationships without getting married. Those that get married divorce almost as much as they marry, without social stigma. Adultery is not a crime and no longer factors into penalties in a divorce. And sexual relationships between the same sex are considered marriages in many quarters.
Contrasted with all that, is the mere practice of child brides going to sway the visiting Martian into thinking that the West has it all over Islam?
Report Post »Shane the Golden
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 4:52amWhat a compelling argument! You leave out the fact that as young as six the child “bride” can marry and as young as nine (or when they can bear the weight of the husband(who decides that?)) they can be bedded. You leave out the killing of innocents to further the spread of Islam. You leave out the beheading of infidels. you leave out the stoning of women who merely to out unescorted. You leave out the “honor” killing of women. You leave out the misogynistic out look. You leave out the rape of male children. You leave out so much!!!
Report Post »Just Saying
Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:20amWhat’s with my comments being deleted here? Is someone afraid of a little arguument?
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:26amIs it the Blaze’s actual policy to delete comments which might argue against the premises within its posts?
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:28amI highlight only child marriages because that is what is being codemned here. All the other evil thingsabout Islam is being lumped in as if it is all the same. The same thing could be done against our culture. How do we separate all the sexual dgeneracy of our culture from our modern ideas about marriage?
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:30amWaht’s going on Blaze. Someone is preventing any substantive comment of mine coming through here. They have nothing obscene or abusive in them. They are mostly just socratic questions. What is so threatening?
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:17amI don’t know of any 6 year olds having sex outside of marriage…why do you prattle on about 12 and 13 year olds?
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:37amThe article had a quote from FontPage making the argument that a 13 year old is a “child’ and that to marry her and have sex with her is “rape”. I‘m pointing out that our own history doesn’t justify such an absolute moral stand. So if we are going to argue against six year olds getting married let‘s do so with arguments that won’t blow up in our faces when our own history is pointed out.
It’s better to stay silent than to offer bad arguments.
Report Post »Rapunzel
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 11:31am@Isles – the Blaze doesn’t moderate your posts although they will review posts reported by other members and delete those they deem offensive. However it can take up to 5 minutes for your posts to appear. Also pay attention to your sort order; if you are viewing newest to oldest your new posts will be at the top. More information can be found here: http://support.theblaze.com/entries/256062-why-isn-t-my-comment-showing-up
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 12:49pmNot true, Rapunzel. There are some of my posts that have never appeared, after several hours, and after several attempts to repost them making minor adjustments. There was nothing offensive in language in these posts.
Report Post »ktowers
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:50pmIsles, what is the Martian’s yardstick? If it’s respect for individual freedom (self-ownership of mind and body), as it should be, then the West wins hands down.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:39pmWell, that’s an argument Ktowers. But how far do you press that “self-ownership of mind and body” with regard to children? What authority do parents have in that area? That’s just a question to be considered.
Report Post »Lee Ann
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 11:54pmBlah don’t excuse the behavior… Here in america you have a choice to marry or not. There you don’t, no freedom..
Report Post »uncensoredTalmud
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 4:54pmIslesfordian, your posts had to be deleted because you are an anti-semite.
We jews moderate all mainstream media forums as well as wikipedia and others. If there‘s anything that we don’t like or that goes against our agenda, one jew reports the post to another, and the message is “cleaned”.
They have special seminars in Israel for how to edit on wikipedia. Also, thousands do their duty for Israel by joining the JDF, and Internet “defense”. This mostly consists of putting posts like “Hail Hitler” and “Hail Satan” on any thread that has any truthful merit.
Report Post »In The Right
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:43amThis is proof that Islam is a deviant cult created by the Child Raping Mentally Impaired Muslim Muhammad.
Naive Liberals refuse to admit they are being used by the Jihadists to strip women and young girls of their rights. I don’t see NOW or other female oriented organizations coming forward to denounce the pedophilia rampant in the Muslim culture likely because as a minority in the “West” (USA) they are favored and fawned over just like the criminal Blacks and ILLEGAL Aliens.
Report Post »Able1
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:41amSo turns out the profit Muhammad is a low down dirty child rapist!! Boy I cant wait to roll with these sick demented perverts. So when exactly are we gonna call these people and there low down dirty religion for what it is. EVIL Boy I tell you what you come around here talking that sick stuff and you gonna get a taste of my muslim wacker.
Report Post »questing4
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:40amThese old F666s & their Withered D666s are Disgusting!!!
Report Post »John-Mary
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:35amA great site for up to date examples of islam
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GBMBulletsSKNRD
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:33amI am crying for these children. And I am a big bad mother F&c&er.
Report Post »Middle Finger
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 10:38pmDitto.
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:29amGutter religion,pure evil.
Report Post »GBMBulletsSKNRD
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:35amYou will burn in Hell.
Report Post »GBMBulletsSKNRD
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:36amI could not even read the artical. The headline made me sick.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:43amThe headline is cr*p. It typically blurs crucial distinctions and distorts the issue merely to provoke emotional reactions. Typical Blaze fodder.
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:28amThis is the work of the devil and there is no other way to explain it.
Report Post »jeffile
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:34amI can’t believe you never understood that Allah is satan. Islam is a false copy of Christianity and is satins last attempt to deceive mankind.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:08am@jeffile
Report Post »This is not his last attempt only his latest.
I have posted on this site before that Mohamed is a pedophile. This is common knowledge believe it or not :(
bullcrapbuster
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 4:21amI agree with Jeffile
Report Post »Large Eagle
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:26amTurn the hogs loose – Santan will run with the swine
Report Post »Shiroi Raion
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:24amAnimals.
Report Post »cookcountypatriot
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:22amthese are the people the leftist progressives adore..lol
Report Post »nailsin
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 3:31pmAs long as no water boarding was involved the left will be fine with it.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:20amNAMBLA will like this ruling… give the left time, this will be considered protected civil right…
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 4:14amI’m not sure, but I think Islam has no teaching against men having “sex” with young boys, as long as they are prepubescent. I could be mistaken here. I am pretty sure that Muslims don’t consider a man a homosexual if he “gives it” to another man, only if he “takes it”, if you know what I mean. Some macho “Christian” latin american cultures think the same thing.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:43pmYa, boy/men thing is big under Pashtun culture, as I understand it, in Afghanistan.
Back to the article, well the information seems to be valid, but the image itself used to headline the information on Frontpage, is out of context.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/masswedding.asp
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:34pmGood one checking that out. I wonder if the Blaze will take it down now that we know those weren’t brides in the photo.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 1:41pmOh good, they actually changed the picture, good for the Blaze!
Maybe next time they can make sure to vet their pictures before making this mistake again!
But thank you for fixing it.
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