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‘I Want You to Kill all Infidels’: Boy Draws Controversial Image of Jesus — Should School Take It Down?

School Posts Kill All Infidels Jesus Poster in Lobby | Hamilton ElementaryChildren show their creative imaginations in some intriguing ways. The artwork and storytelling they engage in often illustrates the ideas that are bopping around inside of their heads. Take, for instance, a student-drawn picture at Hamilton Elementary School in Fresno, California. The image, which has become intensely controversial, portrays Jesus Christ, with a caption that reads, ”I want you to kill all infidels.”

Under this shocking line are two others: “meet me in Jerusalem” and “get a free ticket to heaven.” Obviously, the picture, which is hanging prominently in the school’s lobby along with others, is causing a stir. While some claim it‘s merely a creative work spawned by a child’s imagination, others see anti-Christian sentiment at play. A 7th-grade student, who has not been named in media, created the drawing as part of a history assignment.

But, despite the educational elements associated with its creation, at least some parents have voiced their concern over its prominent display. One couple claims that school officials have done little to listen to their qualms — that is, until media began reporting on the story.

“I do believe common sense tells you, hey this may not be appropriate for a k through 8 school, right in the main lobby where each child passes on their way to school and home.” said Chris Alfaro, who is a parent of a second-grade student at Hamilton and a Christian.

Hamilton elementary has been quiet in terms of handing the criticism. A spokesperson for the Fresno Unified School District issued a statement to ABC30, telling the outlet the following about the picture’s creation:

“Students at Hamilton were assigned to create a help wanted poster for soldiers needed to fight in the crusades and write a poem about Joan of arc, the Black Death, or the Magna Carta and create a visual background for it. This was one of several posters displayed.”

Anti-Christian bias or merely a drawing created for a specified assignment? You decide. Watch more about the controversy from KSFN-TV:

(H/T: Gawker)

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  • GETLIFE
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:37am

    This is a History class, not an “Art in Politics” class.
    Kid has obviously not been taught the “Who’s Who” of prophets.
    Also surely prohibited in school to read the Koran OR the Bible, which would immediately clarify the question of which prophet personally called for the killing of his enemies.

    We actually have a hidden amendment, it’s called “The separation of History and Education.”

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    • rangerp
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:32am

      yea, I think the lad is a bit confused, but then again, what should we expect from out multicultural indoctrination machine (public schools).

      I think he meant to draw a picture of the false prophent muhammed.

      If not mistaken, the word “infidel” only shows up once in the Bible, it was not spoken by Jesus, and has nothing to do with killing folks.

      1 Tim 5 8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

      From the Unholy Koran- When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. – 47:4

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    • Nasado
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:02am

      Actually, the kid probably has been taught the “Who’s Who” of prophets. Did you read the article? Did you not see that the assignment was create a recruitment poster for the crusades? DO you know nothing of history, because most of the people commenting are obviously as either ignorant or stupid as 90% of libs are! Do you know why the men went to fight to take back Jeruselem? It is because the pope and bishops were telling the people that if they went, their salvation was certain. Oh, and they were also stating that killing muslims (or any infedel for that matter) was not a sin. Sound familiar to another religion? So please tell me how this poster does not fit with the assignment or how it is hateful? You need to grow a pair and accept that terrible things were done in the name of Christ. He did not preach that but others did in His name as the kid accuratly portrayed. Christians slaughtered everyone who was in Jeruselem when they sacked it. Do not complain because they are teaching historical bad things about your faith. Also, learn a little history befor you comment!

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    • TomSawyer
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:04am

      It shows what they are teaching the kids. They are talking about the crusades and showing Christians in a negative light, yet I doubt they will tell the kids that Jesus said “love you enemies” etc.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:06am

      rangerp

      That was a really good post. So it is not going to be answered by a troll or a liberal apologist.

      1 Tim 5 8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

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    • black9897
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:10am

      They got the wrong name with the phrase. That would be from the koran.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:15am

      Nasado

      Not buying it. This was a liberal teachers way of taking a stab at Christianity on the sly.

      Does this not matter to you?

      “Muslim Seljuk Turks who had cut off Christian access to Jerusalem, and were also sparked by the destruction of many Christian sacred sites and the persecution of Christians under the Fatimid caliph Al-Hakim”

      Not to mention the robbery & killing of people on pilgrimage. There were no Crusades in the 7th, 8th or 9th centuries by Christians going to Jerusalem. but they hadn’t faced the Fatimid Caliphs.

      You are so quick to cast stones.

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    • 1proud_Texan
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:22am

      Good thing he didn’t draw a gun. THAT would of been a problem.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:38am

      Nasado

      How is a poster about the crusades related to Joan of arc, the Black Death, or the Magna Carta?

      Maybe a historian could show a relationship between the former & the latter. But could a grade school kid. Joan of arc, the Black Death, & the Magna Carta were added so that it wouldn’t just be about the Crusades.Therefore the teacher could deny that they had an agenda. The teacher though that if they had 30 or 120 students make posters, one of the students would draw exactly this. This is political/cultural warfare via proxy. If we look into the teacher’s background this will become apparent.

      For history poster why not have students draw posters about Exodus, the Crusades & Jihad? After all we are sooooo multicultural. Oh wait this was all about denigrating Christians. Besides a poster about jihad might get the conniving teacher’s head cutoff by a jihadi

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    • golfer8805
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:47am

      @rangerp – Deuteronomy 17
      If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

      God wrote/inspired the bible, and Jesus is God (supposedly), so…looks like you are wrong.

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:52am

      Given the recent comments by Pastors, on beating the gay out of children, on teaching children to sing songs of hate, on preaching hate from the pulpit, not even mentioning the Pastor in Florida. Given the hate from christian teenagers over the airwaves or the Chrisitian hate posted here, its clear that the kid who drew this poster was only drawing the ugly truth about the average American conservative Christian. Christianity as preached in the bible belt or other conservative hot spots is not a religion of love and peace but one of bigotry and hate.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:05am

      golfer8805

      You just showed your ignorance of the Bible.

      You got that from the books of the law. It was a covenant between God and the nation of Israel. They were a people set apart, and had specific laws to them. This is prior to Jesus walking the face of the earth, his death and resurrection. it was prior to “grace”.

      In the NT we are not commanded to go kill non believers. The verses dealt with the children of Israel following other false gods “little g”, and did not command them to go kill non believers.

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    • OldVet
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:12am

      GOLFER8805
      You need to learn context. Deuteronomy was Old Testament and it was establishing laws for the Hebrews. It established for the Hebrews how they should interact with their own people and was not a rule book on how they should treat non-Hebrews. The Holy Spirit breathed/inspired the Bible, but obviously you don’t have a clue as to the context of the Scriptures. But, this to be expected from the un-believing skeptics.

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    • mtcountrygrl
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:18am

      Since it was for a “history” class, maybe they could try teaching the crusades accurately for once. The crusades were in response to two things. 1. In what is called the “first jihad” followers of Mohammad captured all of the middle east and much of Asia and were on there way to taking Europe when they were stopped. They cut off access to the holy city and sites to both Christians and Jews and slaughtered or enslaved those living in the area. 2. The King of England wanted to re-capture the holy land for the crown. Both to expand his empire and to “get back at” the Muslim raiders who nearly marched through Europe. He used the church (England had an official church) and the fact that the land was religiously sacred to rally men to fight. This was not a Christian thing, it was an English thing. No where in ANY Christian doctrine does it say “convert by the sword” (unlike the Muslim doctrine which has this at it’s foundation). This “example” has been given for years to show that Christians are as bad as Muslims. Athiest socialists have killed more people than anyone, if you are an athiest, does that represent you? One bad apple, or even a thousand bad apples, does not speak for an entire group. The Bible (or Koran) should be your source for the beliefs of it’s followers.

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:21am

      OldVet
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:12am
      GOLFER8805
      You need to learn context. Deuteronomy was Old Testament and it was establishing laws for the Hebrews. It established for the Hebrews how they should interact with their own people and was not a rule book on how they should treat non-Hebrews. The Holy Spirit breathed/inspired the Bible, but obviously you don’t have a clue as to the context of the Scriptures. But, this to be expected from the un-believing skeptics.
      _________________
      Yet Christians have little problem screaming Deuts adn Lev. in their attempts to justify their bigotry againt gays. So either Deuts doesn’t matter any more or it does and you have to explain how a just God approves of honor killings and genocide.

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    • VastRightWingConspirator
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:29am

      ENCINOM
      I feel bad that your fear of God forces you to cast stones at those who know him. I will continue to pray for you, even when you are demanding my death for following Christ for that time will come.

      GOLFER
      Jesus taught love. He sacrificed himself because of His love for us. He told us to love everyone, even our enemies and to let much of the laws of the Jews go away. Although he taught from Deut. during the sermon on the mount, ALL of His teachings were of love and not one time, that I remember, did he command Christians to kill anyone. In fact, He stayed the hand of Peter when he took a sword and tried to defend Jesus.

      I know all of you who look for every reason to not follow Christ will continuously try to use a small statement from the Bible to hold it against us, yet those who follow Christ are commanded to know the Bible so that we fully understand what is written and why. In the passage from Deuteronomy which GOLFER pasted Moses did indeed say those people should be stoned to death. Of course, no one wants to talk about the period of time when God’s law was first being implemented and how Moses went on to say it was important to not let evil take hold and how you must have multiple witnesses and that the witness must throw the first stone to be sure they believed their own accusations. It was a hard time in a hard world.

      Christ, however, taught us to love all. He is the conclusion of God’s teaching and His sacrifice removes the need for many of the

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    • golfer8805
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:32am

      Rangerp and Oldvet – So what you are telling me is that your god/Jesus at one point ordered his people to kill unbelievers, but now he doesn‘t say it in his newest book so it doesn’t matter. Im sorry but because god “at one time” did command the hebrews to kill non-believers, I see no difference between the bible and the koran.

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    • VastRightWingConspirator
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:33am

      As for this boy’s drawing, I have learned enough to know that evil men in the Catholic Church used people to do their own bidding instead of teaching people to do Christ’s. The Crusades may or may not have been God’s will. God did tell us the Jews would control Judea when the man’s rule on Earth ends so He not only knew it would happen but told us it would. The boy’s drawing is factual for the assignment. False teachers told people Christ wanted them to kill the Muslims.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:07pm

      The poster is historically accurate, with one exception – it was NOT Jesus who said this, it was the corrupt religious leaders who claimed to speak for Jesus and perverted His teachings for political gain.

      The student was just correctly depicting a recruitment poster that could have been on display during the Crusades.

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:38pm

      BROTHER_ED — I hope you had a great weekend with the wife!

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    • Independent4233
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:42pm

      ENCINOM
      “Given the hate from christian teenagers over the airwaves or the Chrisitian hate posted here, its clear that the kid who drew this poster was only drawing the ugly truth about the average American conservative Christian.”

      More likely than that it was prompted by a homosexual in the background, probably a tercher, who saw it as a way to demonize Christianity, because some homosexual activists believe if they hurl enough intimidation toward christians that will somehow cause them to bow and scrape before the god of political correctness as they do when they are called racists for complaining about being beaten by black mobs.

      “Christianity as preached in the bible belt or other conservative hot spots is not a religion of love and peace but one of bigotry and hate.”

      Vigorously rejecting homosexuality is a natural instinct inculcated in each of us to reject those forms of sick deviations that stifle the embeded instinct for survival and procreating their own kind.

      Behind everyone: Priests, preachers, imams, Hindu leaders, rabbis, etc, and their congregants, are people who first obey the laws of nature in rejecting homosexual deviancy, and that instinct is evident in all of them.

      Intimidating religious believers into accepting homosexuality will not stop these people from obeying and reacting to the natural instincts they are born with, which have nothing to do with religion.

      It isn’t possible to fool mother nature for very long.

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    • osgeek
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:46pm

      To assist with who actually started what, we have Charles “The Hammer” Martel to thank for stopping the progression of islam into Europe. He effectively ended the muslim equivalent of the crusades into Europe, which they started first. There might not have even been the crusades without the muslims first attempting to invade Europe.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel

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    • PaxInVeritate
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 1:08pm

      WALKABOUT… This is how they are connected to European studies.

      “Crusade” is also used to describe religiously motivated campaigns conducted between 1100 and 1600 – ( http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades )
      I think, in some regards, one of the other reasons for the Crusades was about the control of spice trade route (money) in the Middle East as well as “freeing” Christian Holy sites held by Muslim Seljuk Turks.

      Joan of Arc was born around the year 1412.

      Pandemic years of The Bubonic Plague; the plague of Justinian (Constantinople) in the 6th and 7th; Western Europe, 700s and the “Black Death” of the 14th century.

      Magna Carta, issued in the year 1215 and reissued later in 1297 (modified version).

      The years found in common: 5th – 1400th centuries, which is called Medieval Period (aka Middle Ages), and center around the collapse of the Western Roman Empire ( Dark Age of Western Europe 5th – 10th century: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)  ). If anything, the child should had drawn a Pope with a Merchant (businessman) behind him.

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    • Nasado
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 1:25pm

      @Walkabout
      I did not mentionthe purpose of the crusades (for there were many) but no matter the reason, that does not change the fact about what I said. Bishops did tell the knights that killing infidels was not a sin, it ensured salvation, and the “Christians” slaughtered everyone when that sacked Jeruselem in the first crusade. Heck, they even sacked Constantinople, a christian city in their way in one of them. (can’t remember off the top of my head which one) Christians did some horrible things thanks to the religious leaders of the day. We should not hide from that fact but accept it and learn from it. Obviously Muslims have not and we see the cestpool most still live in. Now, does the teacher have a liberal agenda? Maybe, but everyone here making accusations knows nothing of the individual. They speak on that which they do not know. She could be a Regan conservative just tryign to have a fun assignment for the kids to do.

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    • Muskratstail
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 1:28pm

      The whole thing is unbiblical. Jesus said let the wheat and the weeds grow together, do not remove the weeds for fear of losing some wheat. God will manage the “great harvest” in God’s own time; we on the other hand should show kindness, even to our enemies.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 1:52pm

      @BRUCE P

      We had a great time, thanks!

      Hope you had a great wedding. That’s quite an honor your friends bestowed upon them! Here’s hoping they have a long and prosperous life together!

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    • rangerp
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:06pm

      @Golfer

      No, Deuteronomy does not command Christians to go kill non believers, and you will not find true Christians today saying we should go kill non believers. You just like ENCINOM try to attribute what muslims do to Christians, and are wrong. Google honor killings and jihad, and you will find that the Muslims do this.

      In Deuteronomy, it was not commanding the children of Israel to go kill non believers. It was directed at keeping the children at going over to false gods. They were basically policing themselves as God’s chosen people.

      ENCINOM.

      Sins of the old Testament (adultery, homosexuality, bestiality, murder,) are still sin today. read both books. Homosexuality is a sin in the New Testament also. What we do not do, is stone people for it. Once again, google honor killings, and you will realize it is the Muslims, not the Baptists that do this practice.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:27pm

      Proof that we’ve allowed the Muslim Cultists to totally infiltrate our Text Books. Jesus would never say anything like this, only the Muslim faux information. This Child needs help, the teacher needs help, whoever posted this needs help. Islam is not a religion. They are a cancer; out to ruin the USA, helped by greedy groups like Soros et al; Communists; Marxists and Socialists. The perfect storm of Anti-American creeps. I find this so offensive: it’s not true; it promotes faux ‘faith’; it promotes mis-information.

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:41pm

      RANGERP — Muslims are not the only ones to commit honor killings. They happen in the United States all the time, committed by white, Christian Americans. We just call them by a different name, crimes of passion.

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:44pm

      PATTY — so teaching kids that the Church claimed Jesus wanted crusaders to kill “infidels” (used by CHRISTIANS back then to describe Muslim. It is from a LATIN word; it was not invented, or used exclusively by Muslims) that is somehow proof that Islam has infiltrated our textbooks?

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    • Truthbeliever2
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:45pm

      @Nasado
      In case you did not notice, the time we live in is called; get this…”the present time.” That means right now… Right now “the present” Christianity is under attack by murdering savages who call themselves Muslims. They like to saw peoples heads off with big knives. They like to bury women up to the neck in the sand and throw large stones at their head. The men have it much better they are burried with the arms exposed and stoned. It states in their holy book that to RAPE the wife of the enemy INFIDEL is a good thing.

      So don’t even compare the two jackass. Muslims have always been murdering animals, so to focus on Christianity’s past is totally irrelevent.

      We need to nuke radical Muslims off the planet. Now don’t get mad and try to come cut my head off or some other crazy **** you people do Nasado-rag-heado.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:54pm

      Bruce P.

      You are confused my friend.

      When we speak of “honor killing”, we are talking of a religion sponsored, excused, OKed, allowed… killing. Muslims in the name of their religion, and with the green light from religious leaders commit honor killings. They kill young girls that refuse to marry old men, they kill those that speak out against their religion…

      Christians in the US, with the OK from the church are not killing people. If you believe this to be true, then show me some examples. Once again, google honor killing, and you will find the Muslims are the ones that do it, not Christians.

      ENCINOM and others like to quote old testament law in regards to the people of Israel, and then try to show that it is the “Christians” doing the killing (with help from the church). This is false, and he knows it is.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 3:20pm

      @BRUCE P

      I meant to say it was an honor they bestowed upon ‘YOU’” not ‘them’, but I think you figured that out.

      Too bad so many people don;t understand the nature of the project that was given this calss.

      To deny that people were promised a spot in heaven – or at least a forgiveness of their sins – for fighting in the Crusades would be an extremely apologetic view. The church at that time was corrupt. There is no denying that.

      This student was just stating the facts as they existed at that time, not denouncing Christianity today. I hope they got an A+

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    • golfer8805
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 4:59pm

      @rangerp – I didn’t say christians. I said your god at one point sanctioned the killing of disbelievers (it doesn’t matter who it was directed to). This equates the bible with the koran.

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    • bigdogmom48
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 6:03pm

      How does this poster even make sense? The Christians were the “infidels”.

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    • Susie40
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 6:12pm

      I think the mistake is assuming this is a picture of Jesus. I think it is a picture and saying of Mohammed.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 6:15pm

      golfer8805
      “I see no difference between the bible and the koran.”

      Then you are blind.

      If there were no difference, then there should be no difference between Christians & Muslims. Well there are big differences. If Christians acted like Muslims, you would been too afraid to speak or if you did you would be in fear now.

      Your logic is wanting.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:02pm

      Nasado

      Off the top of my head they sacked Constaninople during the 4th Crusade. the F_cking Doge of Venice had that as payment for transporting the Crusaders. Since you are listing massacres in a 1 sided way, you left out the massacre at Acre. You also left out how the Muslims would sell everyone in Jerusalem into slavery except for the Franks & Templars. Those they beheaded.

      Would you martyr your whole congregation & then rinse & repeat until you ran out of congregations?
      Christianity spread throughout the Roman Empire for 3 centuries under persecution. It spread to Ireland, Scandinavia, east of the Rhine & England without conquest. The same bishops spread the “Peace of God Movement” to reign in the warfare of the nobility. Regardless you are judging the bishops with your 20th century “security” provided by the CIA & U.S. military. If one was to judge a Crusade harshly it would be the Teutonic knights. They were not fighting a defensive war. Like the crusading wars in Spain or in the Middle East. If you would judge the knights harshly then you had better judge the father who beat to death the rapist of his daughter. To remain consistent you must do so.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:08pm

      PaxInVeritate

      “I think, in some regards, one of the other reasons for the Crusades was about the control of spice trade route (money). ”

      Only in regard to the 4th Crusade. Venice wanted Constaninople. Taking Jerusalem does & the Levant coast does not take Persia or the Arabian peninsula out of the spice trade.

      If the wanted to relate Joan of Arc to the Black plague to whatever to whatever they could have connected many dots & left the Crusades out of it. I am not buying it. The teacher is suspect.
      I could do a better job than the teacher with his or her MisEducation major.

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    • MistyBlueAngel
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:33am

      @ Golfer8805, please cite the exact text in the Bible that gives you the impression that GOD wanted people killed for being un-believers. Though GOD did command that people be killed for commiting some sins like murder, he did not command that people be killed merely for not believing in Him. If that were the case, why would Jesus have been sent to die for our sins to save us? Why not just leave the world alone, or better yet, why not just let the fire and brimstone start raining down? Because “..GOD so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16
      I wonder if it is possible that you have taken some scripture out of context, or perhaps you are one of the many who have never really read the Bible in depth, in it’s entirety, but just think you know what’s in it by things that you hear other people say, or things you hear on tv.
      At any rate, you are mistaken.

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    • Nasado
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:56am

      @Truthbeliever2
      First off, you post made absolutly no sense and secondly, I am a Christian just like you. The difference is you seem to want to hide the fact that terrible things were done in the past falsely in the name of Christ. The Muslims did terrible things (just as many if not more during the time) but that does not diminish what Christians did. We should be better because we have the truth. But hey, if you want to do the “its ok if we did it because they did it too” game than feel free. This article and the assignment given to the kids is based on the past and what happened during the Crusades. Are you saying that the schools should not longer teach about that part of history? How does focusing on what Christianity is suppose to be have anything to do with this article or my posts? I was simply stating that people are being ignorant for claiming there was some vas anti-Christian conspiracy because of the assinment given to kids dealing with a specific time period they were learning about. Yes, Christianity is under attack and yes, we do need to oppose it, but it is not behind every corner as some of the posts suggest.

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    • Nasado
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 10:10am

      @Walkabout
      Actually, yes, I do judge the religious leaders harshly during that time and for good reason. They preached that killing infidels was good, (where does Christ preach that) there was the Spanish Inquisition (don’t recall Christ teaching convert through torture), the faact that the bishops tried to keep the scriptures out of the hands of the common man, the teaching of indulgences, and the list goes on and on. Your argument about want the Muslims did is invalid as well. First off you are basically saying “they did it so we should do it too” and secondly who is more accountable, one who has been taught lies, or one who has been taught the truth but goes against it? They had the true gospel but what did they do with it. The kid was given an assignment and he did a really good job. Don’t you think the bishops told the people that Christ wanted them to do these things? They even carried the cross, a symbol of Christ into battle with them. The kid used the common Uncle Sam posters from WWII and used it for his idea. Very creative of him. If you cannot accept the past crimes of those of our faith then your personal faith has no strength behind it and is meaningless.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:59pm

      A lot of you keep equating the dictates of the Roman church during the Dark Ages with Christianity. The Popes, Bishops and Cardinal did ungodly and ubiblical acts during the Dark Ages that would rival anything the muslims have done. Christ spoke for Himself and it’s called the Bible.

      Also, to my christian bretheren. I empathize with your frustration that the God-haters on this board does not understand Old Covanent theology in contrast to New Covanent theology. I would remind you that the Bible says “the natural man can not understand the things of God”. Mostly, they don’t care to understand it. They are “kicking against the ******” as Jesus told Paul.

      Yes, God had a very strict moral law for His chosen people which were the line to bring Messiah. If God created us, He can deal with us however He likes. If God were to deal with us justly, we would all be in hell. We “have all sinned and come short of the glory of God”. “There is none righteous, no not one”. “For the wages of sin is death BUT, the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord”. “For there is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we MUST be saved”. “If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”

      I have given in a nutshell everything they need to know but they will scoff at it anyways. So, let them. I will not “cast my pearls among swine”. Keep up the good fight.

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    • ccfonten
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:33pm

      What happened to the “zero tolerance” nonsense about promoting violence/bullying?? How many little boys have been suspended for carrying a toy soldier with gun attached to school? How about the kid with the spit ball/ink pen nonsense?/
      Does this picture not encourage violence?? Typical liberal crap.

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    • FoxholeAtheist
      Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:37am

      Nasado, I’m a liberal and not only did I understand it, but I approve. It is accurate.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on June 17, 2012 at 7:07am

      I think… he was a KNIGHT TEMPLAR in a previous life!

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  • IslandMama
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:32am

    Maybe it’s irony??? Can’t tell if that is an exclamation point or a question mark on the wording. Maybe this kid is smart enough to create artwork that is political satire. Either that or he is really confused.

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    • HKS
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:41am

      Well, this is OK and but “god bless the USA has to go” is this a great country or what.

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    • DimmuBorgir
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:35am

      IT’s from a damn 7th grader. Most of them should just shut their mouth. They think they’re way smarter than they are and just as deep.

      HS kids really piss me off. Please lets get the draft going again so they can grow out of their facebook lifestyles of thinking they’re more important than anyone else.

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  • sawbuck
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:24am

    Pretty sly…Cloaking their hatred for Christianity ..In a history assignment about the darkest time of Christianity.

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    • venerablebede
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:30am

      Who says it was the ‘darkest time’. If it weren‘t for those brave Frankish Warriors we’d be all wearing Burkas.

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    • Independent4233
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:40am

      sawbuck
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:24am
      “Pretty sly…Cloaking their hatred for Christianity ..In a history assignment about the darkest time of Christianity.”

      That was my exact immediate conclusion when I read just a bit of the story.

      The greatest vicious hate attacks against Christianity are coming from homosexual activists, as is evident from reading their posts on this site, so it is quite possible there is a homosexual activist behind this recent display of anti-Christian hatred.

      Oddly, they don‘t seem to be concerned that every religion I know of doesn’t accept homosexuality and their leaders preach against it as an evil sin, especially Islam which advocates killing them. And Muslims are now about 6 to 8 million of the population, obviously a growing threat to homosexuals.

      It is Christianity and Christians they froth at the mouth over spewing their anti-god hatreds.

      I’m not saying positively homosexual activists are behind this, but it is very likely they re.

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:20am

      “…The greatest vicious hate attacks against Christianity are coming from homosexual activists….”

      Jihadis hide behind children. Jihading muslims hide behind the skirts of women. And they do not mind if the women and children are killed in the process.

      The attacks against Christianity are coming from The House of Islam, not mincing homos. The jihadis are hiding behind the gays while continuing to push forward their Jihad.

      The goal of the muslims and their socialist co-conspirators is to so inflame the Christians that they begin calling for, and committing, violence against gay people. The muslims and socialists will then point at the Christians and make them out to be violent and crazy people killing for Jesus.

      Do not swallow the deceptions of the muslims.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:49am

      Independent4233

      Don’t know if it was a gay activist. It doesn’t matter. There is the religious left but there is also the rabid anti-religious left. Why bring up a homosexual angle in this news story?

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    • Nasado
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:51am

      Do any of you actually know the history of the crusades? The soldiers who went to “free” Jeruselem were constantly told by the reigning bishops that their sacrifice would grant them a passege into heaven. They were also told it was not a sin to kill musilms. So basically what the muslims teach today. Also, you recall that the “Christians” slaughtered everyone when thy sacked Jeruselem? This poster is very accureate toi what was being taught by the religious leaders at the time. I expect ignorence from libs but not from most of you.Learn history before you comment.
      @sawbuck
      So should we no longer teach about the crusades since it is the darkest time in Christian history? Maybe we could stop teacghing about the holocoust since it is the darkest time in Germanys history? Yes, Christians did terrible things! I have gotten over it and so should you. Don’t look at it with shame because you nor your faith had anything to do with it. Look at it as a learning experience.

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    • sawbuck
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:32am

      Nasado
      I was just getting ready to explain what the crusades were about.

      Anyway in regards to your question.. No I do not…You should no better .
      It all about how something is framed … packaged and served…

      If this was world history ..
      I would expect a parallel similar to what you delivered in your comment ..
      How the crusades were like what Islam is today.. Not just leaving it hang
      in a gallery like some Poster making a BROAD …GENERALIZED statement.
      wiith no back-story..!..to the History Lesson…….Displayed how long ?

      Was their equal time given to the atrocities that Islam has brought to the
      Other faiths …In bold words Kill the infidel.. Or Kill the Jews ..?
      With a Picture Of Mohammad ..with the words under a picture of him..?

      Was there a poster proclaiming this “History Lesson”..?

      We both know that will never happen.

      There is a full on assault ..On Christianity…

      Any Blind man can see this…!

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:05am

      Walkabout
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:15am

      Nasado

      Not buying it. This was a liberal teachers way of taking a stab at Christianity on the sly.

      Does this not matter to you?

      Anyone who mentions the Crusades without mentioning the jihad that preceded it or the slave raids conducted by Muslims in France & Italy is a person with an anti-christian agenda.

      “Muslim Seljuk Turks who had cut off Christian access to Jerusalem, and were also sparked by the destruction of many Christian sacred sites and the persecution of Christians under the Fatimid caliph Al-Hakim” -wiki

      How about the Muslim slave raids from their base in southern France at Fraxinetum from 889 Ad to 975 AD.

      The Popes were well acquainted with Muslims slavers. There was a Muslim post at Minturno a day’s ride from Rome. The Muslims destroyed the old town in 883 AD & were fun ally driven off in 915 AD.

      You castigate the Crusaders from a semi-safe temperature controlled domicile in America. If you had lived in 8th 9th or 10th century Europe you would have thought differently.

      Or maybe you are Muslim practicing taqiyya.

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    • Independent4233
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:26pm

      Walkabout
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:49am
      Independent4233

      “There is the religious left but there is also the rabid anti-religious left. Why bring up a homosexual angle in this news story?”

      Because behind so much of anti-Christian hatred nowadays are homosexual actiists who pull all sorts of tricks, manipulations and chicanery in an attempt to demonize Christianity some way. It’s very common. I’m betting that much of what you believe is coming from the radical left really is coming from that faction of the left that is homosexual.

      No one hates Christianity so much as homosexual activists who are screeching hysterically trying to intimidate them into accepting them. Homosexuals rabidly froth at the mouth, because they perceive Christians as being their greatest obstacle to being accepted on a par with normal people.

      Others have pointed out that the left in general are mostly secularists and also don’t like Christians, and they’re right about that, but nobody despises and loathes Christians as much as sexual deviants. Nobody. When you see hate-filled rhetoric or actions, first consider whether there are homosexuals behind them before anything else and you will see the truth of the matter more often.

      Trickery is second nature to them. We have one on here who pretends to be a Christian to gain credibility with Christians, disavowing homosexuality, but everything he writes concerns mostly support for homosexuals, and his radical promotion of them.

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  • WakingSheep
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:21am

    Homeschool

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  • Pat Alexander
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:16am

    The NEA libs at that school are laughing their azzes off.

    Here’s a message from Wisconsin: Enjoy while you can. The voters are coming for YOU.

    ROTFL…

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  • Nemo13
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:11am

    MOST important: This kid obviously is getting this from his parents / community. Maybe they should be investigated? If this is being hammered into this kid’s head, imagine what the parents are like.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:17am

      I have to agree with you on the parents may need major investigating; now if this picture of Jesus had said “love your neighbours” and such, then CAIR and the ACLU would have come unglued and gone down the schools collective throat in a heartbeat on grounds of church/state seperation.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:23am

      I noticed that they were asking the children to make posters advertising for soldiers to join the Crusades,,in which millions of Christians were murdered and millions of bibles were burned to keep the truth from the Roman Catholics and the Muslims. Very interesting read..One of my fellow posters led me to this..and my mom actually saw this guy speak at a church in my city shortly before he was poisoned…the link following this one is a link from an Israeli newspaper confirming a full circle.
      Keep in mind that the Catholic Church didn’t teach Jesus until the 15th century via Martin Luther.
      http://www.remnantofgod.org/books/docs/How-the-Vatican-Created-Islam.pdf
      http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150757

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:31am

      Almost every single person in the West has been told many lies regarding the Crusades.

      This poster by a child deceived is testament to those lies and ever-so-subtle deceptions used to undermine and destroy the Christian West.

      The Crusades, the real history of the Crusades, must be taught to all children of The West. What is being taught to them now is Saudi funded dawah designed to deceive children to hate Christianity and to respect to Islam. To despise and spit on baby Jesus and to prostrate in fear before the “prophet” Mohammed. To turn from God and to fall before the Allah deity.

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:44am

      “…Very interesting read….”

      Indeed. Interesting in so far as it reveals the depths and breadths muslim jihadis will go to promulgate deceptions in an effort to spread Islam. The Vatican did not create Islam.

      I am pretty sure Americans are done entertaining the un-ending lies and deception of the muslims. Americans have realized that Islam is a bad pony.

      And this whole “The-Pope-Made-Islam” deception is just about as desperate as it gets. Now, we are asked to believe that the muslims are not even responsible for their own religion! That they are all victims of Papal intrigue!

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    • destrecht
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:17am

      ashes- As with much taught about the church, you’ve been lied to. There are letters that show what the church taught from the beginning. It believes and taught exactly what it believes and teaches today.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:32am

      There is no debate that millions of protestant Christians were murdered and millions of Bibles were burned to keep the truth from the Roman Catholics and the Muslims..In the article..at the end of the Crusades when the Muslims were running out of manpower…but had overtaken Portugal and wanted Spain..they negotiated with St Francis of Sissisi to allow them occupation of their mosques in the European countries and the Catholics could occupy Musoim countries with their Churches and Schools and it remains so today..A funny thing about history..it all comes back around..That second article was the Vatican in talks with Netanyahu telling Bibi that unless he relinquished control of the Holy sites in Israel to the Vatican.. that there would never be peace in the ME..now what kind of control is that? As I understand..the Catholic Church rules the earth..She is top in command here…God has allowed her that..and from what I understand..she has spawned many other religions..such as Mormonism..etc..which all give her respect.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:57am

      @DESTREGHT With all due respect..Martin Luther made a huge change in the Catholic Church in the 15th century..here is the read.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther

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    • MistyBlueAngel
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:21am

      @ Snowleopard, I have to agree with you. Any positive portrayal of Jesus would have sent the Principal, the teacher and the administrators into a tailspin, and in all probability the poster would never have made it to the display at all, and if it did, it surely wouldn’t have been right out front and center. No, I have to agree with Walkabout, this is just a way for a teacher to take a cowardly swipe at Christianity while hiding behind a seventh grader.

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  • Beckster2
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:10am

    The assignment question was asked to elicit exactly this kind of response. This is not History, this is indoctrination based on Lies. The problem isn’t the 7th grader, it’s the teacher, the teacher’s union and government run monopoly indoctrination factors, aka….public schools. HEY! TEACHER! Leave that kid alone.

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  • Nemo13
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:07am

    It’s clear many who run public scholls are crazy. Be carful with your children, home school or private school with a clear backgroud seems the only way to keep them safe.

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  • RamonPreston
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:06am

    Start with the teachers and the school administration.

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    • tracer51250
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:11am

      Hamilton Elementary
      102 E. Clinton
      Fresno, CA 93704
      (559) 248-7370
      Principal: Jan Zoller
      Vice Principal: Nancy Harris
      Office Manager: Eliza Gallegos-Cerda

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:00pm

      Call the principal! Demand they stop teaching history! Teaching history is anti-Christian!

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  • Jeff Bassett
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:02am

    I would be interested in knowing the background of the student.
    Islamist are taught that the Christian God and their own are the same. Islamist believe Jesus is an important prophet who will slay non-believers in the end times. Given the “infidel” note, this poster would be correct theology and acceptable to Islamist.
    If a Christian created this poster, the idea that Christ would want and target to kill anyone shows a fundamental flaw in the teaching of theology with Christianity.

    Either way, it was poor judgement to allow such showing with a school project.
    It is a statement though of the division that exist and how prevalent such issues are.

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    • Quixotic-911
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:48am

      You’ll note that Jesus is wearing a crucifix, since Muslims don’t believe in the crucifixion I can only conclude this is the “Christian” Jesus returning to slaughter the infidel Muslims as the bible states Christ will do during Armageddon. Also the term infidel was used by both the Crusaders and Jihadies alike during the course of the crusades, although the Christians prefer the word heretic. I must admit this drawing made me laugh.

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    • MistyBlueAngel
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:24am

      @ Quixotic, actually modern Christians usually use the words “athiest” or “unbeliever”. I haven’t heard the word “heretic” since the movie “Exorcist III- The Heretic”.

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  • Baddoggy
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:59am

    I am an Infidel and a Christian. How would Jesus’ peeps handle me? The child and the school are confused. Mohammed wants the Infidels dead. Christ came to save the world not to kill the people in it.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:14am

      crusades ?

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    • The_Cabrito_Goat
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:53am

      The crusades were self defense.

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    • destrecht
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:21am

      About the crusades- There’s an important Catholic town called Fatima- it’s in Portugal. It was called Fatima because it was named after Mohamed’s daughter in law. WHEN THE MUSLIMS OCCUPIED PORTUGAL.

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  • nilo
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:55am

    It time for parents to home school, or private school them where their children are taught accurate values.

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:02am

      Yeah, you don’t want your children learning about history.

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  • stormerwasright
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:55am

    Wouldn’t have been allowed if it had any other message…like Jesus loves you

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    • RamonPreston
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:04am

      You can say that again. Everything is anti-Christian in America today. Everything is backwards of what the Founding Fathers intended. No God, champion gays, etc.

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  • Quasimofo
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:55am

    Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter

    <>

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  • countryfirst
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:51am

    I feel that America is waking up to the threat to our founding principles, At least I pray for it.

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  • layla
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:45am

    i thought schools had a problem with anything Jesus.

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    • Quack Addict
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:47am

      I find this blasphemous and am highly offended. I wonder if the ALCU will take up my case?

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:51am

      For this particular piece of ‘artwork’ they will gladly make an exception.

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    • RamonPreston
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:08am

      They do. Anti-Jesus is okay.

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    • ADNIL
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:03am

      I want to know what he received for a grade on that poster.

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  • kaydeebeau
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:44am

    Considering the leftist, anti-christian slant of the lessons concerning the crusades as was most likely presented, this drawing represents the basic point of that which was incorretly taught. Though it is also possible that this isn’t Jesus but could be the islamic pervert Mohammed – the caption makes more sense for that to be the case

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  • Crazy Times
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:43am

    Good for him.

    Now, I dont believe Jesus wants us to kill other people, (unlike that guy that starts with a M and ends in a D), but at least some of those kids there will actually look at it and say to themselves, “Who’s Jesus?” – only one can hope, at least it is a start.

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  • Susie
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:42am

    The student created a drawing from his/her imagination, but the school (supposedly adults) hung it because of ant-Christian bias. I can prove it. Ask them if they would have hung that picture if the kid had drawn Mohammed instead of Christ.

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    • Crazy Times
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:54am

      Good Point Susie,

      If that was Muhammmammamamed, that poster would not have seen the light of day on the wall which it was hung.

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  • huey6367
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:41am

    “it‘s merely a creative work spawned by a child’s imagination”. Left unchecked you have created a liberal.

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    • Link8on
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:06am

      The assignment was :

      “”"
      create a help wanted poster for soldiers needed to fight in the crusades
      “”"

      The assignment sounds very liberal to begin with.
      I bet this teacher will give the kid some arbitrary grade, and then use liberpointspeech to deflect away any parental or media criticism.

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:41pm

      Unchecked imagination makes one liberal, does it?

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  • kickagrandma
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:41am

    Public school? Shut it down.

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  • Meyvn
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:39am

    We’re all infidels.

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  • ComingUnglued
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:39am

    I thought you couldn’t have any pictures or talk about Jesus or God in school. I guess it is ok as long as you distort Jesus‘ ’message of love thy neighbor and thou shall not kill..

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  • Walkabout
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:31am

    Context is important. We do not know anything about the kid. Certainly is not like anything I was taught in Church.

    I’ll take it as a glib anti-Christian propaganda until I know otherwise.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:50am

      This poster and what it says reveals what this child has been taught in this particular school.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:31am

      RJJinGadsden

      If true, we need to stay on this story to fix the target & makes sure the parties responsible are unemployed.

       
  • AJAYW
    Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:27am

    Do you think that if a kid made a poster that said fill all Muslims it would be put up???

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