Science Can‘t Design Away Tornadoes’ Deadly Threat
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Storm science has greatly improved tornado warnings in recent years. But if that’s led anyone into a sense of security, that feeling has taken a beating in recent weeks.
Super Outbreak 2011, on April 25-28, killed more than 300 people in the South and Midwest. Less than a month later, a devastating tornado took more than 100 lives around Joplin, Mo.
This despite warnings of as much as 20 minutes, thanks to improved weather radar installed across the country in the 1990s. Before that, tornado warnings often weren’t issued until a twister was sighted on the ground.
Scientists see a variety of factors that helped make this year’s twisters deadlier — from La Nina to public complacency, from global warming to urban sprawl.
“We thought for the longest time physical science could get us by … that we could design out of disaster,” said meteorology professor Walker Ashley of Northern Illinois University. Now scientists are finding they need to take human nature into account.
What is clear is that certain factors add to the risk of death. The most vulnerable folks are those living in mobile homes and houses without basements. For a variety of reasons, a lot of homes don’t have basements.
Twisters occurring on weekends — like the Joplin tornado — and at night tend to be greater killers because they catch people at home. At night, twisters are harder to see and sleeping people may not hear a warning.
Those less likely to be killed in a storm tend to be more educated and to have a plan in place beforehand.
In Sedalia, Mo., 30-year-old Sean McCabe had the right idea when the tornado struck, heading to the basement. He said the storm shoved him down the final flight of steps. He had scrapes and cuts on his hands, wrists, back and feet. Blood was visible in the house, and much of the roof of the house was gone.
“I saw little debris and then I saw big debris, and I’m like OK, let’s go,” said McCabe.
Having a plan was a lifesaver for Tuscaloosa’s LaRocca Nursing Home in Alabama. As the storm howled, four dozen residents massed in the hallways as trees crashed down and a cloud of dust rained upon them. When the dust settled, the staff realized their drills had paid off. Not one patient was killed, and the worst injury among them was a bruise.
Hundreds have not been so lucky, with more than 500 deaths and counting so far this year, a toll not seen in more than a half-century.
The National Weather Service said 58 tornadoes touched down in Alabama on April 27, killing 238 people in that state alone and injuring thousands. Scores died in other states from twisters spawned by the same storm system. Put together, emergency management officials say the twisters left a path of destruction 10 miles wide and 610 miles long, or about as far as a drive from Birmingham to Columbus, Ohio.
Statewide, Alabama officials estimate there was enough debris to stack a football field a mile high with rubble.
Contributing to the massive loss of life is the growth of urban areas, suggested Marshall Shepherd, a professor of atmospheric science at the University of Georgia.
“Historically, the central business districts of cities have not been hit that frequently,” he explained. But as you increase the land area covered by homes and businesses, he said, “you’re increasing the size of the dartboard.”
An expanding population does increase exposure to the danger, agreed Ashley, who fears deaths could begin to rise in the future as a result of sprawl and more people living in vulnerable residences such as mobile homes.
If the Tuscaloosa and Joplin tornadoes had each been a few miles to the south, on farmland, little would be heard about them, Ashley said, but when extremely violent tornadoes mingle with urban sprawl “you’re going to have a disaster.”
“I hope this will be an outlier year, very much like Katrina was to hurricanes,” he said in a telephone interview from a field trip to chase tornadoes.
But no one can guarantee that, and weather experts are becoming increasingly concerned about how people respond to tornado warnings.
“A lot of it is complacency,” Ashley said. “The population seems to be becoming desensitized to nature. I don’t know why.”
Studies have shown that 15 to 20 minutes is the most effective amount of warning time, and longer warning times can increase deaths. Weather experts aren’t sure why, but worry that people think that if a twister hasn’t appeared in a certain amount of time, it must have been a false alarm.
Yet a long-track tornado can be on the ground for 30 miles.
“If you have a basement, you don’t need 20 minutes warning, but if you are in a mobile home park you may need more than 20 minutes to find a shelter,” commented Alan W. Black, a University of Georgia doctoral student and co-author with Ashley of a recent study of tornado and wind fatalities.
Jerry Brotzge, a research scientist at the Center for Analysis & Prediction of Storms, University of Oklahoma, said many people who hear warnings will look outside to see if they can see the tornado — “they need some kind of confirmation, they want to see it.”
But the Joplin tornado was at least partly rain-wrapped, meaning that a powerful rainstorm obscured it from some directions and “they wouldn’t have seen it coming.”
“Even when people are sheltered in their homes, if they are not underground they can die,” Brotzge added.
But asking people to evacuate an area is also a difficult decision, he said, “what if you have a traffic jam and the tornado hits that.”
Ashley concluded: “The take-home is, people have to take personal responsibility for their lives.”
Why there have been so many tornado threats this year is harder to say.
Viewing pictures of the tornado aftermath it’s hard to overestimate the power of such storms, and records bear out how strong they can be.
“You see pictures of World War II, the devastation and all that with the bombing. That’s really what it looked like,” said Kerry Sachetta, the principal of a flattened Joplin High School. “I couldn’t even make out the side of the building. It was total devastation in my view. I just couldn’t believe what I saw.”
And that movie image a few years ago was no joke: A cow was transported 10 miles by a twister in Iowa in 1878 and a tornado in Minnesota moved a headstone three miles in 1886.
One Joplin resident said a picture that was sucked off his house’s wall was found in Springfield, 70 miles away. An insurance policy was found more than 40 miles from its original residence in Oklahoma in 1957 and a 210-mile trip was taken by a canceled check in Nebraska in 1915, according to a study several years ago by researchers at the University of Oklahoma and St. Louis University.
Typically, tornadoes spawn in the clash between warm, moist air from the Gulf of Mexico and cooler, dry air from the north and west — conditions that mark Tornado Alley in the Midwest and South, the most common breeding grounds for twisters.
Factors in this year’s excess may include La Nina, a periodic cooling of the tropical Pacific Ocean which can affect weather worldwide. In a La Nina year there tend to be more tornadoes than average. If that is a factor, the good news is that La Nina is weakening and is expected to end in a month or so.
The meandering jet stream high in the atmosphere that directs the movements of weather also has been in a pattern that encourages warm Gulf air to move in and clash with drier air masses.
While studies of global warming have suggested it could cause more and stronger storms, National Weather Service Director Jack Hayes isn’t ready to blame climate change — at least not yet — saying it’s too soon to link individual events with the ongoing warming.
Tornado researcher Howard B. Bluestein of the University of Oklahoma says his best guess is this unusual outburst of twisters is due to natural variability of the weather.
“Sometimes you get a weather pattern in which the ingredients for a tornado are there over a wide area and persist for a long time. That‘s what we’re having this year,” he said.
“If we see this happen next year and the following year and the following year,” then maybe climate change could be to blame, he said.
Whatever the reasons it’s an extraordinary year for tornadoes and the worst may not be over. May is usually the peak month, but June traditionally gets lots of twisters, and they can occur in any month.
“You can never completely breathe easy,” concluded Russell Schneider, director of the government’s Storm Prediction Center in Norman, Okla.
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Associated Press writers Nomaan Merchant, Alan Scher Zagier and Jim Salter in Joplin, Mo.; Jay Reeves in Birmingham, Ala.; and Kristi Eaton in Norman, Okla., contributed to this report.
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thebarbarian
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 2:20amok all . i just got the low down on tornadoes from the guys at climate gate. here it goes . according to al the gore it’s global cooling in the ionispere due to the hyper human activity creating the global warming thus it can be traced back to haliburton/big bad oil therefore it‘s BUSH’S fault. you see the libs did it again . they figured it out! just like the katrina hurricane the Bush created he is using global cooling to induce global warming that makes big storms.
Don’t make any sense to me but libs like it……Bush’s fault.
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 2:06amLesbian isn’t as smart as she or he? thinks. I have seen tornados twist steel i-beams so they looked like pretzels. Concrete and steel doesn’t withstand 200 mph winds. The only safe place in a storm like that is underground and even then you could become trapped by debris above you. Lesbian reminds me of a democrat, constantly belittling others for what they can or can’t afford, running your mouth about things you know nothing about, and offering absolutely no solutions to anything. Go back in the closet bc your opinion stinks.
Report Post »Danny Newton
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 1:15amThe first time I ever heard of using a laser to modify the weather was an experiment by the Japanese to reduce lightning damage by attracting it along an ionized gas path back to ground. Even if I fired a laser into a mirror first, I don’t think I would want to pull the trigger unless it was a very remote trigger. I also don’t think I would want my laser to be used in the experiment since it might get fried by the lightning. If a channel of ionized gas kills a tornado by serving as a conductor between positive and negative zones of the tornado, why doesn’t a tornado slow down after passing through a conductive power line?
Report Post »AGbrando54
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 7:53pmLesbian Packing Hollow Points,
Report Post »Your posts are descriptive, factual, and to the point. For those reasons people will argue with you and your screen name and use what generated fodder they can for their own purpose. With that said, you freakin ROCK, thanks for the info, and keep kicking these fools to the gutter with intelligence and facts.
Bhaub
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 1:40pm+1
I can’t agree with that enough. :)
Report Post »Bhaub
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 7:05pmHow come we can’t just pray them away? Can’t GOD stop them? Or is the LORD making them? Probably as punishment for our sinful, sinful ways.
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Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 11:17pmTornadoes are god’s commentary of trailer parks and stick-frame construction.
And considering how many trailer homes I’ve been in with crosses, crucifixes, and Walter Sallman’s hyper-feminine Jesus, god doesn’t even like his own people much.
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 1:24pmMess like this is what we are dealing with. It is so many thinking green I am beginning to wonder if some of us came from Mars….lol.
Report Post »http://green.yahoo.com/blog/ecogeek/838/could-wind-farms-change-the-weather.html
It doesn’t matter what kind of home you live in but what kind of life you are living in that home is what is important. Not saying the good don’t die but the good has a chance to live again through Jesus Christ. Science might keep us living a little longer, but as proven in many cases it can take us a lot sooner too and will never be able to restore our souls. I am not ruling out scientific thinking as good, but spiritual thinking as the best.
pwatkins
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 1:03pmWe need to get politicians that will stop playing with mother nature. That belongs to God and He will eventually show us and them the Truth. Many of us already know things aren’t right. We have just let evildoers go too far to prove what is happening and there is a strong need to ask God to intervene in the mix. I pray 2012 is the change we are all waiting for, not more diaster for us but an Awakening of what is going on around us. May God Bless America again.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 12:56pm“The take-home is, people have to take personal responsibility for their lives.”
I think that’s another way of saying that government is there to protect us from each other collectively, not ourselves individually.
Want to build a stick-frame home in tornado alley without commercial tornado insurance? Want to build a home in the Mississippi flood plane without commercial flood insurance? Want to build a home in a seismic zone without commercial earthquake insurance? Want to build your wooden house in an area prone to wildfires without commercial fire insurance?
Fine. Just don’t crying to the government to force the rest of us to bail your ignorant arse out when your house is a pile of rubble.
Report Post »Hep Cat
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 8:58amI guess I am way off topic now talking about tornadoes. A subterranean home would be ideal. Living in Oklahoma it is not feasible in almost all cases. The water table in central Oklahoma (where most, not all) tornadoes occur is usually less than 4 feet. A basement will leak, flood and usually have severe mold issues. In the area, the cost of install can be exorbitant and make it difficult for a homeowner to recoup that cost. It would be ideal though…
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 7:58pmWhat’s the cost of fill, cause if it came to it, I would scratch my way down to bedrock or the water table, which ever came first, poor my basement slab, build my basement walls, and build my house on top of that, then back fill so it didn’t look like an architectural mistake. With enough back fill, it’ll just take on the appearance and effect of a house on top of a hill.
Oklahoma subterranean basement without going submarine.
Report Post »eramthgin
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 12:47pmIt happens because they are ignorant of the danger (thanks public schools) and too arrogant to care.
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 12:42pmSomeone knows what is going on and pretty much knows when most of it will stop. I know normal weather patterns can bring diaster but this is getting out of hand. We need to vote all of these global warming, climate change goofballs out that are making money like crazy and laughing all the way to the banks they are also condemning. How far will people go in an attempt to prove their point? If we knew the truth of everything going on many could not handle it. I am not desensitized to nature, this is not nature as we know it.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 1:15amGore will protect Us, He has already Made Billions of $$$$$$,
Report Post »So I know he will look after Us, We must Trust Him !!! The
Experts say we will be OK, if we just put up some wind mills.
kingssman
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 12:17pmshould we even bother in trying to fix the weather to our needs?
I’m sure Tornados are natural occurances that are all part of the climate system and thus need to run their course like its always done for the past 10,000 years.
Mother Nature has a specific system in place where one region is warm, the other gets cold. Where one gets wet, the other stays dry. this is all for a good reason.
We can’t let mankind go around and make it rain on wednesdays and prevent rain from forming on saturdays and sundays. Just like we can’t let mankind kill twisters, end hurricanes, and promise constant 72* weather all year round.
Despite as deadly as the twisters were, i’m sure they bring balanced weather patterns to other portions of the US.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 11:57amWhy don’t we just drop a mini nuke into the thing and stamp it out? Yea!!!
Problem is we have created a sense in todays society that anything is possible…fact is many things are impossible including stopping this force of nature and hurricanes. We are not Gods despite somes peoples imaginings. So I guess we can stop earthquakes too right? What about the earths wobble due to the sun blasts it has been receiving over the past 8 years. Wake up! They don’t call this the end times for nothing. Man is being humbled and ppl like the poster above refuse to sit down and be humbled by God. Some will curse God in these times and they will get much worse than this. Ppl like this poster above will be the first in line to curse God because they think they are gods.
I blogged that this year of 2011 would make 2010 look like a cake walk…it will get worse from here on out. You and I cannot escape what is coming to this world. Get your soul ready and be prepared in the interim.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:29amThey have become desensitized to nature because they‘re being convinced it’s man’s fault because of man-made global warming.
Report Post »wildbill_b
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:58amOR more likely because people are less educated each year and suffer from massive ego trips wherein they believe that Man is so powerful that we can control the Earth which barely notices the infestation called mankind. One merely needs to look around and see how we build pathetic walls to “stop” the ocean from going where it wants, such as the 14ft BELOW sea level New Orleans.
Report Post »thebarbarian
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 2:03amcommon Tex. you should know by now that there is only 1 man to blame for everything. BUSH.
i’m poking fun at the demoncraps of course.
Report Post »Miyegombo Bayartsogt
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 7:14amBack in the day the old black and white cartoon character Astro Boy was scientifically modified with special equipment to battle tornadoes. While the outcome of his cartoon tornadic battle was unclear, Astro Boy fired special pants bombs into the twister before he was knocked unconscious by the wild, windy weather. Science has the answer and the answer is called ‘Astro Boy!’
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 1:25amScience can indeed design away tornadoes’ deadly threat.
The most efficient design would be to utilize a strong laser to ionize the air (creating a laser-induced plasma channel that acts as a conductor) throughout the forming storm cloud to produce a good conducting connection between the earth and the cloud, as well as within the potential well of the cloud itself.
Tornadoes are formed by separation of charges in the same manner as a capacitor. Drain the capacitor and no vortex will form. Those who study physics know that electrons and positrons are spinning vortices and as they travel from positive potential to negative potential they do so in a vortex and induce vortices in the dielectric medium through which they travel, in this case, the gas of the cloud and air. Positrons (holes/antimatter) actually tunnel through everything in a vortex. The positron flow is the hole in center of the tornado vortex, and the electron flow is the vortex wall itself. You can think of it in terms of hot and cold air rising, but on a more fundamental level it is electricity. On a more fundamental level, it is BLACK HOLE magnetohydrodynamics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d9VfAwZdjA
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 1:31amYea, I just said you can tap electricity from a thunderstorm and weaken it to the degree that tornadoes won’t form, using the same idea of a taser, but with a “laser taser” (laser-induced plasma channel)…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tJF3qBWyUk
Report Post »awizard
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:53amUh, I hate to rain on your “laser taser” but, where would you put this device and who would maintain it / deploy it?.. We can do a Great many things in theory in a laboratory that are not possible or practical in the real world. Take “Rain making” if there was a practical way to do it, we would end drought, fusion is possible but not practical. Science has come a long way, but it hasn’t gotten that far … Maybe that’s what they mean by “design out of disaster” How would you do it?.. in the real world …
I applaud the early warning ability we have developed over the years and blame public complacency, urban sprawl, lack of awareness, and “The population becoming desensitized to nature” for many of the recent deaths.
My condolences to the families of those lost … But folks have to be aware, have a plan and pay attention to what’s going on around them … In a Great many areas of life.
Report Post »ObliviouslyAware
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 12:34pmI say the most efficient design would be to make it a moot point as to whether or not a tornado is on your property or not, build underground, like a hobbit… Tornado’s are definately powerfull but if you “little piggies” would just stop making your homes out of straw then this would’nt be an issue…
Report Post »As for people who live in flood plains… hope you can swim, but please dont build there, definately grow food there just dont live there.
Earth>Brick>Wood>Straw,
I guess I‘m just say’in dont try to prevent it, work with it, since it’s inevitable…
Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 12:38pm“Tornadoes are formed by separation of charges in the same manner as a capacitor. Drain the capacitor and no vortex will form.” Where did you get your meteorology degree? A ******* Jack box?
Tornadoes and lightning are both powered by the same thing, heat. It is heat that makes low level clouds rise through upper level clouds, stripping off electrons as they go. It is that same heat that drives convection within the cloud system that grows into tornadoes. Even assuming your high school science report works (and how many decades until there’s an actual working prototype?) Taking energy out of the storm cell through lightning discharge would not touch the energy of convection.
It would be like a hybrid car. You’re trying to stop it by draining its battery pack while it has a full tank of gas.
Although the mad scientist in me still hopes they try. Laser Lightning rods would be cool even if they didn’t kill tornadoes.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 12:46pm@Obliviously Aware
That‘s one of the most intelligent comments I’ve ever seen in a Blaze thread. Subterranean architecture is a bit of a passion of mine. That and concrete geodesic domes, both of which have a reputation for shrugging off twisters.
For as long as humans desire to live in suburban sprawl or trailer parks, tornadoes with do the lambada through their homes. The only alternative is to ban both. Who wants to take bets on how soon it will be before the Liberals try?
I recall a story of a Texas housing developement, the buy your plot and build your own house type. Every other house in the developement just built right on the hard pan of bedrock. One guy jack hammered out a small basement. Everyone told him he was stupid… until the first tornado. His was the only family to escape alive.
Report Post »Texas Grasshopper
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 1:47pm@Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Report Post »why cant ya just use “ gal packing hollow points ” or something else rather then telling everybody what you like to do sexually …..personally I dont care what you do in your own life but you wonder why people [ like me } get annoyed . dang just keep to yourself and quit walking around yelling ” I am gay ..look at me ” . Just great …..I read some of your posts and we could probally agree on most issues but why do you think I want to know about your sex life or anyone else for that matter ( doesnt matter if they were straight and gay ) . It has to do with respect . I am respectfully asking that you consider changing your nickname to something that might be something a litte more appropiate around the “ Water Cooler ” . There are younger people thats read these posts.
Sinista MACE
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 2:01pmThe Navy already has a free electron laser.
In regards to rain making or weather control overall, I would suggest you research what HAARP can REALLY do.
LESBIAN LACKING ANY POINTS
I never discounted the thermodynamic aspects of weather. I suggest that on a more fundamental level there are magnetohydrodynamic forces that can be exploited to control the weather. If you have a hard time understanding that, that’s YOUR problem. Even heat is nothing more than Infrared Radiation, an electromagnetic spectrum. Get a 3rd grade science book. That’s how a laser-induced plasma channel works. Electric current is propagated down a plasma wire created from ionizing the atmosphere in a coherent beam, and applying the current at the same frequency as the laser.
Obviously Aware, you can live like a hobbit if you want to, that’s your prerogative. I‘m not a hobbit and I’m not living like one. You and those hobbity folks who think that’s a good idea can go fly a kite in a lightning storm.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 2:02pmWhat EGOS!
To even THINK we could EVER significantly control nature. Look at the levies and dams along the Mississippi and around New Orleans. Nature always wins.
The ONLY solution is to:
throw ManBearPig at it!
I’m thuper therial !!
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 2:04pmI don’t have a large ego, I do have a large amount of information in regards to manipulating natural forces.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 3:35pm@Texas Grasshopper
I’ve had this discussion with other commenters before, but let me lay a new fact on you. I originally took the screen name Dλke Packing Hollow Points, only the y wasn’t upside down. That word got censored, so I compromised with what you see me using now.
Now, what if I took umbrage at people with state names in their screen names? No one gives a crαp about where you are from. Why do you have to be so hyper-patriotic and provincial?
Sounds pretty stupid, doesn’t it? That’s what everyone complaining about my screen name sounds to me. We pick our screen names to be descriptive, and differentiating. It would be pointless if everyone in here were named “White Male Christian # 6752″ or similar. We pick those qualities of ourselves that make us stand out, like “Atheist Liberal Rational Thinker”, or similar.
The more people in here complain about my otherness, the more you confirm for me how much you need to be exposed to people from different backgrounds. It’s for your own good.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 3:48pm@SINISTA MACE
I’ve read up on the High-altitude Active Auroral Research Project. There’s more out there from paranoid conspiracy theorist ravers than legitimate scientists.
And if a stormcell were ruled by magnetohydrodynamics, it would squash itself due the huge voltages they create. Opposites attract, after all. The top of the stormcell would attract the bottom of the stormcell and *splat*. If you want a more concrete explanation of magnetohydrodynamics, read “The Hunt for Red October”. The book, not the movie. The movie screwed it up.
And now you’re only contemplating radiation as a form of energy transfer, completely discounting conduction or… CONVECTION! The definition of temperature is “average molecular kinetic energy”. Heat only transfers by radiation with a molecule with a high kinetic energy throws off an infrared photon to drop to a state closer to its ground state. Most molecules in a stormcell don’t do that, preferring to CONVECT a lot. Thus, yielding tornadoes when the convect the right way.
Report Post »Texas Grasshopper
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 4:40pm@ Hollow points ..no problem but when you force your uncouth disgusting lifestyle on OTHER people and expect them to accept you …good luck with that ….like I said ..the less respect you have for other people the less they have for you …I wont take your issues serious when all you really want to do is annoy people . But just remember people will take the issue that you are “ forcing ” on them and take it to thier communities and VOTE agianst the so called gay rights movement … REREAD THIS The more people in here { force thiew disgusting lifestyle on ME } complain about my otherness, the more you confirm for me how much you need to be { reguted to protect my family } exposed to people from different backgrounds. It’s for your own good
have a good day
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 4:53pmLesbian
You said “There’s more out there from paranoid conspiracy theorist ravers than legitimate scientists.”
Apparently you have become accustomed to calling anything that a “legitimate” scientist doesn’t advocate a “conspiracy theory”, but you haven’t provided any mechanism that would debunk the science I just presented, because there are none.
It isn’t my science. It is the science of Joseph Newmann.
“And if a stormcell were ruled by magnetohydrodynamics, it would squash itself due the huge voltages they create.”
You obviously have no clue what the hell you’re talking about. Everyone knows storms build up energy and release it in the form of lightning, thunder, precipitation, and wind. All of these forces are ruled by vortex dynamics.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 5:40pm@Texas Grasshopper
Sorry, but I don’t read illiterate.
And as for turning people in here off about GLBT issues, I’ve long since ceased to care one way or the other about the opinions of others. I didn‘t say I’m here to change your minds about gays. I said you need to be exposed to different people, and to that I hold. Maybe you missed the old thread about how even the fire and brimstone Focus on the Family is throwing in the towel on gay marriage.
And remember what happened with black people were just meekly moving to the back of the bus because whites thought they were “disgusting”. That got them really far. Keep voting to deprive GLBT people of their human or civil rights and… well, there‘s always the other half of my screen name which you haven’t mentioned.
@Sinista Mace
Report Post »I have refuted your points. point for point, actually. You now want to explain how your new topic of “vortex dynamics” is equivalent to “magnetohydrodynamics”? This is the end of my participation in this thread with you until you care to start citing peer-reviewed literature.
Sinista MACE
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 6:08pm“The top of the stormcell would attract the bottom of the stormcell and *splat*.”
Um, no it wouldn’t… the energy is constantly released in the form of lightning strikes (dielectric breakdown of the air and cloud insulator), thunder from the lightning strikes, precipitation, and wind.
I don’t need a concrete understanding of magnetohydrodynamics from a FICTION novel. I have studied real science and presented experiments from accredited universities to back up my claim. The claims of Joseph Newman are backed up by numerous scientists and government institutions.
You’re talking about the transfer of heat by radiation, and I’m talking about a laser induced plasma channel acting as a wire to extract ELECTRICAL energy (of which heat in any form is also a part of due to its electromagnetic nature) from a tornado in order to drain the capacitor and reduce the vortex created by the separation of charges between the top and bottom of a storm cloud, and the bottom of the cloud and the ground.
It’s right here in your face. You drain the capacitor or turn off the voltage and the vortex STOPS. The aluminum foil is a conductor/dielectric and is being vortexed by the separation of charges, the same way the atmosphere (a charged gas) can be vortexed by a separation of charges.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d9VfAwZdjA
You cancel one vortex with an opposing vortex. That’s how you stop a tornado.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 6:20pmExcept you weren’t talking about an opposing vortex. You were talking about laser lightning.
And YouTube is not peer-reviewed.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 6:28pmLesbian Lacking Any Points
You haven’t refuted anything, what you have done is conflagrated radiative heat transfer with electrical conduction over a laser-induced plasma channel.
All of these forces are governed by golden ratio vortices originating from the vacuum expectation value. Magnetohydrodynamics simply states that a magnetic field can induce changes (um…such as vortices) in dynamics (you know, vortices) of fluids (such as a CHARGED GAS like…um..an ATMOSPHERE, or um…a STORM CLOUD…)
Since the electric field can induce changes in a magnetic field and vice versa, an electric field can be used to induce changes on a magnetohydrodynamic level in a charged gas such as a storm cloud. It isn’t some mystery science, and I’m definitely not about to glean anything from a FICTION novel and try to have a battle of wits with a person who studies in reality.
You and your “peer reviews” can kiss my rear end. These are the same cuckoos who’re trying to attribute the normal changes in weather that is increasing temperatures all over the solar system to carbon dioxide emissions. I do my OWN research, and I don’t need any “peers” (establishment shills). The fact that they can’t understand (or refuse to acknowledge for other reasons) doesn’t change anything. It just makes them look tenacious in defending their farce of domination in the scientific field. Peer reviews don’t make or break anything.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 6:39pmLesbian Lacking Any Points
If you we’re paying attention, I wasn’t talking about vortices initially, I started to mention vortices because you were apparently, and still are, having a hard time understanding how an electric field propagated down a laser-induced plasma channel can have a magnetohydrodynamic effect on the vortices that are created from a storm cloud, based on the “virtual photon flux field” that you probably are used to calling the magnetic field. Virtual photons vortex from pole to pole at the speed of light, creating magnetic flux lines.
But you already knew all that, didn’t you, you pretentious idiot? So quick to denigrate video evidence of a vortex between the charged plates of a capacitor.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 6:47pmLesbian
An electron is a vortex.
A positron is a vortex.
They are opposing vortices. one cancels, or annihilates, another.
One is the antimatter equivalent of the other. When matter and antimatter combine, they annihilate, releasing energy in the form of gamma photons (another vortex).
Report Post »Texas Grasshopper
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:40pmlike I said , uncouth and vile
Report Post »chazman
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 7:40pm“SCIENCE CAN‘T DESIGN AWAY TORNADOES’ DEADLY THREAT”
Why not? They designed Global Warming didn’t they?
Liberals lie …
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