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Seattle Atheists Erect Holiday ‘Knowledge Tree’

Seattle atheists say they are celebrating “human knowledge” with the erection of a “knowledge tree.” But their cryptic message will likely be lost on many passersby as the not-so-uniquely atheist symbol bears a striking resemblance to… a Christmas tree.  Via the Spokesman Review:Seattle Atheists Erect Holiday Knowledge Tree

OLYMPIA — With little fanfare or complaints, Seattle Atheists have erected a decorated tree and a sign on the Capitol campus in honor of not-Christmas.

A tree? As in, a Christmas Tree?

Not exactly. The group calls it “A Tree of Knowledge” — although it’s unclear if they’re unaware of the Biblical implications of such a title, or co-opting it.

But their tree looks suspiciously like a Christmas Tree, considering it’s about a 6-foot conifer with decorations hanging from the boughs. No toys or angels or smiley snowmen for the atheists, however. Their decorations consist of pictures of famous scientists like Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein, covers for books like “Cosmos” and a small copy of the Periodic Table of Elements.

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  • dcenac
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:28pm

    They put pictures of Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein…….really….Neither embraced atheism. Can’t they find their own scientists. They have to co-op a symbol of Christmas and use the effigy of scientists who never disavowed God to make their point of what exactly?

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  • ChipK
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:27pm

    I am offended! I demand it be removed. that is their line… not mine. and oh, the tree of knowledge..hmmmmm now where have I read that before.

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  • capitalismrocks
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:23pm

    So essentially they are a religion – the religion of science, and/or the religion of no God…. but therefor, a religion nonetheless… therefor if they have their bullcr*p tree, then there’d better be a Christmas Tree, Manger, Star of David, a Menorah and Kwanza display to put all around their “thing”

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    • timm84
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 11:27pm

      Not so much a religion. I am an atheist and my belief system revolves around reason. For more reasons than one, I have trouble with the concept of faith. I like having concrete reasons to explain my answers for how the world works. The world is constantly adapting, and science is adapting to it. Want to know what ****** off an atheist? the arrogance of the faithful. The reason science uses the word theory, is because we can only prove what we can observe and reproduce. For something to be a scientific fact, is a great feat. evolution is the theory that makes the faithful annoy me the most. If evolution does not exist, can you please explain for me how a virus/disease becomes drug resistant? For another theory that some people bring up, relativity. This is still a theory, as scientists say, but we used this “theory” on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I’m pretty sure they would call it proven law. heck gravity is still considered a theory

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    • dawgPound
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 6:21am

      Here we go folks, PAY ATTENTION: Atheist’s do not believe in ANY god. Not christian god, not muslim god, not greek god – NO GODS. By extension, telling us we will burn in hell don’t cut it either, yep don’t believe in the devil either. So save your bible passages and let us be.

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    • VinnieCCT
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 12:35pm

      @TIMM84

      In your haste to discredit believers you failed to realize that viruses do mutate to adapt to changes, however, they DO NOT mutate into completely new species. Micro-evolution exists and can be easily seen and understood as survival. That does not prove macro-evolution exists. You assume.

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  • milkah
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:22pm

    Foolish athiest, God did that ages ago.It was called The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil

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  • mossbrain
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:22pm

    These atheists mistake knowledge for reality. Absorption in a bunch of thought patterns only interferes with the perception of reality.

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  • mtnclimberjim
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:19pm

    And the blaze beat the Enquirer to the story again.

    This is nice peanut.

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  • timber wolf
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:17pm

    So the atheists put out a tree to mock the christian holiday, I would personally walk up to everyone near the tree and say (that is a nice Christmas Tree, Merry Christmas), regardless of what messages are hanging from its bows.

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  • PatriotDaze
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:16pm

    Why are you all so offended by this. Why do you even care. Is your faith so week that you feel this lame demonstration is in some way a challenge to your beliefs? It would appear that they have accomplished their purpose through this stunt.

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  • pinkphone
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:15pm

    Idiots

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  • Silversmith
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:14pm

    It always strikes me as odd that atheists feel the need to contend with religion instead of live and let live. They choose a symbol that is clearly a Christian one and alter it’s decorations to what? — Steal the symbol?

    Nice, Peaceful, Welcoming. — NOT!!

    Silversmith

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  • paperpushermj
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:13pm

    A Rose by any other name is still a Rose.

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  • VanGrungy
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:11pm

    Thank a Dhimmi Christian or Jew who saved the great books of Reason from the hell fires of islamic intolerance…

    muslims burned down the Library of Alexandria, the greatest intellectual crime of all time…

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  • phineas
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:07pm

    oh my! i am very offended by this…where can i send my letter to have this display removed…one letter should suffice…it works everywhere else in the country!

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    • White Devil
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 9:12pm

      Christians in Seattle need to focus their outrage at that tree, the city council and picket, protest and all the things the left do to us Christians when they claim they are offended and have a nativity scene, a cross, a bible, 10 commandments, caroling, yodeling, the name of Jesus, praying outlawed and removed. Turn about is fair play. Put your money where your mouth is and get protesting! If I don’t hear about that offensive tree removed and an apology from that group, I will know either you don’t really care as much as you claim you do, or you a too lazy or maybe ashamed of God? Fight for crying out loud FIGHT!

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  • temple62
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:06pm

    Sure, these are the same dysfunctionals that continue to elect “big spender and WIA advocate” Patty Murray into office!

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    • iheartusa
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:37pm

      Patty Murray stole the election, just like most democrats do in our beautiful state. PLEASE do not judge those of us on the right side of the Cascade Mountains! Seattle is our own San Francisco right here in the Northwest, very shameful!

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  • NHABE64
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:03pm

    For these bonehead atheists I would think putting up a “lack of knowledge” tree would be more appropriate.

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    • Nvrforget
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:06pm

      You mean something like.. a Christmas tree? *puts on sunglasses*

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  • Sledgehammer
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 7:59pm

    Stilh, Echo, Husqvarna. They all make chainsaws, very good chain saws, need I say more?

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  • petey
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 7:56pm

    If they have such knowledge ,they would put a tree up and make it an oak or maple tree.Why put up a tree of the season.?They’re not so smart are they.Let’s see what stunts they pull during ramadan.

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  • Awakenow
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 7:56pm

    What is wrong with these people why not get their own holiday instead of insulting ours, Let them habe the first week in February for . . . festivus! Christmas is a RELIGEOUS HOLIDAY back off of our religeous convictions and traditions if you want to boycott boycott the retailers that support our beleif, it is way too commercial anyway.

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    • LibertyGoddess
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:00pm

      They are doing this to insult us and rub it in that their tree would never be legally banned. Buy more guns, this is going to get ugly.

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    • septembermorn
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:42pm

      The Bible says that a fool in his heart says there is no God. They do have their own holiday. It’s April 1st.

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 9:01pm

      Why worry about it? Let them have their tree and their beliefs – and don’t worry about it. Just go ahead and celebrate your faith and your beliefs about Christmas and let these people not interrupt your celebration! Life is too short to stress over this – really!! http://maboulette.wordpress.com

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    • Awakenow
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 10:00am

      Life is too short? That is my point, what we do here and the grace of God determines our eternity and I will step up for my God given rights everyday!

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  • mischiefman2000
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 7:55pm

    So…did the Christmas tree evolve, or is it just a random bunch of crap that nobody created after all? I standing there and there was a big bang and this polished turd was just all of a sudden there!

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  • Masamune
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 7:54pm

    If they‘re so knowledgeable why couldn’t they come up with a different tree? Some people just don’t get it. Merry Christmas everyone!

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  • AmericanLass
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 7:54pm

    And while decorating the tree all sang the heart warming song, errrrrrrrrr……………………ok, no song, just read from their favorite quote from Darwin.

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    • dawgPound
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 6:15am

      Yep, fairy tales are usually more “heart warming” than reality. But i prefer reality and living a good life because it’s the right thing to do, not because i‘m gonna burn in hell if i don’t. Who is more moral, the person who does good for goods sake? Or the person who does good under threat of punishment?

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    • frgough
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 1:45pm

      @Dawgpound,

      When “good” is measured by your own yardstick, you never grow taller than the height of your arm. But, that is the comfort of atheism and its “reality.” You get to think you are among the intellectual elite, and you get to decide what is “good.”

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  • SND97
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 7:52pm

    I am SO offended by this tree, HEY Michael Morre where are you, you defender of the offended :-)

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    • jbl8199
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 9:41pm

      Maybe we should take it to court and claim this as unconstitutional. I think we could win. Everyone else gets their way when they’re offended.

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  • psst
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 7:50pm

    So they had a group erection undera or around a tree. Big deal.
    The Flower chirrens of the 60′s had those right out in the open. Not under or around some tree.
    Sheesh. These Left Coast marxists don’t have as big a set as their parents used to have.

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  • angelcat
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 7:49pm

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I guess these atheists are envious that Christians get to put up Christmas trees at this time of year. It is too bad they can’t just look at them, enjoy their beauty, and not see them as a threat to their atheism. Perhaps they fear the joy, beauty, and excitement of Christmas will lure their children away from atheism or something. You know, the last tree of knowledge I heard about resulted in Adam eating an apple and caused lots of grief for humans after that. I hope this tree of knowledge isn’t quite as troublesome.

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    • NoName22
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:43pm

      “You know, the last tree of knowledge I heard about resulted in Adam eating an apple and caused lots of grief for humans after that. I hope this tree of knowledge isn’t quite as troublesome.”

      ZING

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    • komponist-ZAH
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 10:12pm

      Well, the inference is that religious people don’t have a respect for knowledge and science, which is a very arrogant and ignorant supposition. (Much like Bill Maher’s “all the intelligent people are atheists” remark.)

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    • DeVain
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 12:05am

      Imitation is flattery….which is why the church copied pagan rituals, like Christmas and Easter.

      I think the atheist tree is silly too, but you need to keep it real.

      DeVain  
    • patriotwoman
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 4:38am

      Angelcat, I agree. I wonder why atheists don’t have their own special holiday? They could choose any day or season and come up with their own atheist traditions, games (Pin the Tail on Darwin, Survival of the Fittest, Evolutionary Bingo), songs (Hark, the Non-Believers Sing, Oh Unholy Night, Nobody is Coming to Town), symbols and foods. But I guess you have to have something to believe in to go to all that trouble.

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    • Dustyluv
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 6:22am

      That tree will be good kindling in hell. He should bring it with him…

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    • Tofu
      Posted on December 19, 2010 at 5:40pm

      “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.”

      Indeed. Perhaps that is the reason Christians adopted the Pagan tradition of decorating an evergreen tree for the festival of Saturnalia.

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  • NE12012
    Posted on December 17, 2010 at 7:49pm

    they suck.

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    • TXPilot
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 7:58pm

      It must suck to be as hateful, spiteful and lost as atheists obviously are. I just wish they didn’t always try to force us to be as miserable as they are.

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    • lovenfl3
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:02pm

      It’s just like liberalism TX.

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    • bjornskis
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:27pm

      Welcome to Berkly north

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    • Whats up with that
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:30pm

      I’m offended…Lame

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    • Montana Made
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:44pm

      Funny how scientists are all about THEORY instead of fact (i.e. THEORY of evolution; THEORY of relativity). When are the athiests going to PROVE something instead of knocking SCRIPTURE (which oddly enough more and more scientists are proving to be true!). Seems they can’t get their own point across without looking desperate.

      Only in Wacky Washington state would they be dumb enough to pull this…

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    • NoDaDAZone
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:45pm

      Atheists are stupid, arrogant and ignorant. A bad trifecta.. Athiests think life came out of nowhere? That we are a chance universe like so many popping soap bubbles, each one more insignificant than the next?

      Atheists have no idea of the LONG history of humanity on this earth, and how interesting it is.
      Habitable planets run on a universal time-clock, just like megalithic structures are built to coincide with astronomical phenomena such as alignment with the center of the universe.

      Earth was seeded with life. We are not unique, and we are not alone.

      Ancient History Interview on Israel National Radio“ ”Revising the Revisionists and Conquerers” http://www.marcrubin.com/judean-eve.ivnu

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    • White Devil
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:59pm

      Atheism is a religion. How can they get by the phony “separation of church and state”? The hatred of the left against the one true God makes one’s stomach to turn.

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    • broker0101
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 9:06pm

      The Blaze and its Comments section (which is, let’s face it, the only reason any of you are here) has become the perfect reflection of its founder, Glenn Beck and his disciples/followers/sycophants. All any outsider needs to do is peruse these comments and it becomes clear that the Beck Faithful are, in fact, barely literate, mindless idiots being led without question to a gold and food hoarding future of pseudo-survivalism that none of them can possibly afford. How many ounces of gold and how many Food Insurance backpacks have you all hoarded thus far? Glenn wants to know.

      broker0101  
    • lovenfl3
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 9:14pm

      Broker0101 – And yet here YOU are. You liberals are so funny. I couldn’t spend 5 minutes at huffington post, yet you’re here every night. Lol.

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 9:19pm

      they do realize that Einstine was a Christian don’t they?

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    • Silversmith
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 9:43pm

      @ Broker — zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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    • Bounder
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 9:58pm

      @Betterdays

      Actually, Einstein was a Jew, but he believed in God.

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    • Bounder
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 10:03pm

      @NODADAZONE

      I hate this name calling from people opposed to atheism. We believers should be better than that. Atheists are not stupid. They are intelligent people who base their conclusions on provable facts. There is nothing scientifically provable about the existence of God, although there are a lot of very strong hints sprinkled throughout His creation. We who have the holy spirit are open to seeing beyond that, but the atheist can not. We should be willing to help them, rather than condemn them. I hope God is less judgmental with you.

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    • komponist-ZAH
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 10:07pm

      Blaze-obsessed Broker,
      I would test my literacy and intelligence against yours any day.

      If you have nothing to contribute to an actual discussion, then shut up.

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    • komponist-ZAH
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 10:08pm

      Well said, Bounder.

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 10:19pm

      Jewish, I sit corrected.
      I live too near Seattle, I think I just might go “practice the Freedom of religion” the constitution guarantees me, by hanging a few Bible tracks upon the tree, after all truth is knowledge? But I hate casting pearls before swine, socialist swine too boot.

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    • NoDaDAZone
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 10:57pm

      @Bounder

      I was harsh, and I apologize. I know many atheists have been pushed not to believe in God because they deplore dogmatic organized religion and what is done in its name. So they throw the baby out with the bath water. But to crown themselves with the “tree of knowledge” is a bit presumptuous.

      It is sad when people can’t believe. Do you think every person is born with an innate sense that he/she is part of God’s creation? Do people need to be “taught” about God, or do they just know.

      It takes all kinds to make the world go around.

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    • The Libertarian Atheist
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 11:22pm

      I am truly proud to have evolved beyond a belief in mythology, and hope that all of you can manage to do the same some day. We don’t hate anyone, or anything, we don‘t force our ideas down people’s throats in weekly meetings, door to door campaigns, and the like, we don’t fly planes into buildings, or burn people at the stake…

      It is truly too bad that you are all so offended by the notion that someone doesn’t buy into your ideas, and requires actual evidence to establish the validity of ideas… I don’t hate any of you. I am a staunch libertarian, I fight socialism/marxism because if its detrimental effect on people, and because of its tendency to violate human rights, etc. I believe in our constitution whole heartedly…

      Frankly I’m amazed that all of you get so wound up about a single tree when you are plastering your ideas all over the place during the holiday season… and frankly offending _me_… I’m not complaining, or attacking you… You are attacking people like me who believe in just one less god than you do.

      It’s funny that when these subjects come up, the people who you label Atheists behave more christ like that christians… funny how your god seems to hate all the same people that you do.. regardless of who your god is… think about it.

      Now lets get back to fighting the real enemy… ********…

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    • Silversmith
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 11:50pm

      @The Libertarian Atheist – Not trying to pick a fight here, but it seems to me that, as an atheist, you would not have a “season” for celebrating your non-belief; or your belief in science over religion. That your brethren choose to make the Christmas season their moment to make their statement makes me ask “why now? Why not Newton‘s or Einstein’s birthday?”

      It sure looks like some atheists ARE trying to “force their ideas down peoples throats”. The use of the tree, billboards etc. and all during the one of the highest feast of Christianity is not so considerate.

      To me that seems contentious, not evolved.

      Silversmith

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 1:02am

      Montana Made.. A theory is all you have when you have no facts.. it’s like listening to all these studies on this and that .. the next week they have different studies that contradict what they previously said.. know what people do now (at least thinking people) don’t you?? Ignore all theories and studies.. NOW that’s where they have information overload..

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    • jzs
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 1:03am

      Wow, I love the posts on this topic! Personally I treasure the teachings of Christ as understand them. In my view Christ’s words advocate a way of living and interacting with people, and groups of people that bring the world closer to peace and something like coexistence although that seems like a distant goal.

      I also don’t believe there is a single finding of science that necessarily conflicts with Christianity or any other religion for that matter. In my opinion, God, if there is a God, didn’t give humans brains and inquiring minds to test their faith. He gave us minds and logic to think, to learn, to understand the world. If He gave us a test, it was to save the world or destroy it, and whether to create something like Heaven on Earth, or to give the wealth of the world to the powerful few, a vision in contradiction to my view of Heaven.

      No comment on whether I believe in God or not.

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    • CYCLONE
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 2:07am

      welcome to the “CHAINSAW MASSACRE” … !!!!!

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    • dawgPound
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 6:09am

      Montana made said: ” Funny how scientists are all about THEORY instead of fact (i.e. THEORY of evolution; THEORY of relativity) ”
      Wow, you are REALLY dumb. Did you know (probably not) that a scientific theory is different from a persons “theory” ? Why don’t you tell me how you feel about the THEORY OF GRAVITY…OR DON”T YOU BELIEVE IN THAT ONE EITHER??

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    • criticalpuppy
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 9:18am

      I am an extremely odd duck, I guess: a bonafide conservative atheist. It strikes me as interesting that in an article about a “tree”, that “christians” take to name calling and insults about atheists. Quite honestly, I really don’t care what you call me, because I am confident about what I believe, and I don’t care what you think about it. But, I’d just like for you to look at yourselves and your “christlike” responses about this tree and ask yourselves why you are so offended. Do christians have a patent on trees? If you’ll notice, the article states:

      “With little fanfare or complaints, Seattle Atheists have erected a decorated tree and a sign on the Capitol campus in honor of not-Christmas.”

      Where does it say that this was done to spite christians? What harm was done by putting notes on this tree? As far as I see in the article, there is no one standing there with a gun, making you walk any where near the tree, much less read any of the notes.

      For some reason, many christians seem at times to feel very threatened by atheists. I am who I am. I don’t hate christians. I don’t begrudge christians their beliefs and their holidays. I don’t call christians names because of their beliefs. To each their own. What is it about tolerance that you are afraid of?

      Just as there are many kinds of christians, there are many kinds of atheists. Like most christians, most atheists mean you no harm and will respect your right to believe what you want. Who am I to tell you what to believe? On the other hand, many atheists hide just because they don’t want to be abused and called names (as is evident in the comments to this harmless story).

      What’s with the vile comments and the name calling? WWJD? Shame on you.

      BTW, a sincere MERRY CHRISTMAS to all of you christians, and to fellow atheists, be proud of your beliefs, and respect others’.

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    • Silversmith
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 10:06am

      @ Criticalpuppy I agree with you, that name calling is just silly and that we all have a right to believe as we choose. But I think you are not looking at the real issue folks take with these kinds of actions. Of course there is no harm in putting notes on a tree. And it is the right of every American to express themselves as they see fit. But the idea that atheists are JUST expressing themselves as atheists is a little disingenuous. To choose this time and symbol, is NOT about atheism. It is clearly responding to the Christian Holiday in a way that conveys contention, not the tolerance of which you speak.

      I think there is an inherent problem with a belief system that, in a large part of its definition, identifies itself with what it DOESN’T believe. I would think that a tolerant non believer would “let them have their fun” and just not participate. But actions like this seem to point out that atheism NEEDS others with a belief in God to have an identity.

      Silversmith

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    • AmericanSoldier
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 12:15pm

      I am an Agnostic, so I get belittled at times by fellow Atheist as being a “weak” Atheist. It does astonish me how some people here on the Blaze reacts and responds to Atheism. If any of you are familiar with Fort Campbell, every day when I go to work, I drive through Oak Grove, KY (which is where gates 5-7 are located) and just as I turn into that road there’s a huge sign promoting Christianity. It‘s been there since I’ve been stationed at Fort Campbell (Over four years) but you don’t hear me complaining about it, do you?

      It’s on private property and paid for by private donations to that church. As a libertarian, my belief in agnosticism doesn’t trump my belief in freedom and private property rights. Until Christians can believe in these rights wholeheartedly and without compromise, which you believe was given to us by your creator, there will always be problems in this country.

      You cannot pick and choose which liberties and freedoms you support because when you do, the left will easily pick you off as a hypocrite, which you are.

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    • Dustoff
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 12:42pm

      Very true and I live in their state. )-:

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    • JustPeachy
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 1:13pm

      @ BOUNDER

      I agree that likely atheists are like all other groups of people–some are likely brighter, more intelligent than others. But unfortunately this may actually mean that some of them are stupid–just as any other group of individuals we may find stupid people.

      But this particular act–regarding the “tree of knowledge” – - well, my first reaction was to think the ACT is stupid–and I still do. In my opinion, it’s stupid.

      OK, perhaps it makes some kind of statement (lost on most because they‘ll likely just assume it’s a Christmas tree), but what other purpose does this serve? To me it also shows anger and hostility towards those who simply are enjoying a holiday and a God in Whom THEY believe. Truly–what is it harming them?!? They can ignore them if they like–big deal. They don’t have to erect Christmas trees themselves or attend Christmas parties, services, exchange presents or whatever. And if they want to, that’s fine too.

      Just seems like grinches and scrooges out to spoil enjoyment for others–joy-killers. I’m not “opposed” to atheism. Everyone has rights to believe (or not believe) whatever they wish. But if some atheists want to ruin fun for others, even a sort of mocking them with the use of decorated trees–then IMO they are going out of THEIR way to be mean and deserve any criticism they may receive for their ACT–not their beliefs (or non-beliefs ;-) ).

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    • frgough
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 1:40pm

      @dawgpound

      Which theory of gravity? There are several, and it’s an area of debate within physics.

      Oh. Wait. You meant the LAW of Gravity which is a mathematical description of the observed attraction between two physical objects possessing mass.

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    • ENDTIMES2220
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 2:00pm

      We have 2 choices, Heaven or hell. I hope they have a good back up plan.

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    • Rational Man
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 2:26pm

      Judging from that picture it looks like quite the celebration. Very festive! And what an overwhelming response to the secular tree. Just look at that crowd! Traffic must of been terrible!

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on December 18, 2010 at 8:36pm

      http://prorege-forum.com/forum_entry.php?id=6537

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    • Rowgue
      Posted on December 19, 2010 at 1:41am

      I would have to describe myself as an atheist since I don’t subscribe to an established religion. But I’m the first to say how idiotic the activist morons that wage war against anything related to christianity are.

      Atheist simply means that you don’t follow a religion. I have no interest in denying anyone their perrogative to practice their religion. That’s not being atheist, it’s just using a term in an attempt to justify your hate for a religion.

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    • dawgPound
      Posted on December 19, 2010 at 3:38am

      @ FRGOUGH
      Actually, we should be talking about both. To understand why, we need to understand the scientific mean of the words “law” and “theory.”

      We can use Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation to calculate how strong the gravitational pull is between the Earth and the object you dropped, which would let us calculate its acceleration as it falls, how long it will take to hit the ground, how fast it would be going at impact, how much energy it will take to pick it up again, etc.

      While the law lets us calculate quite a bit about what happens, notice that it does not tell us anything about why it happens. That is what theories are for. In the language of science, the word “theory” is used to describe an explanation of why and how things happen. For gravity, we use Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity to explain why things fall. Your snarky comeback was seven seconds on wikipedia or some crash course in christian apologetics to refute my post. Go read the post i was responding to. The simpleton who wrote it may be looking for a friend. You two will get along weel with one another.

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on December 19, 2010 at 3:02pm

      Tree of knowledge aye? I think I heard about this before somewhere Ummm?

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on December 19, 2010 at 3:05pm

      TX Sky Pilot.

      They need company as in the saying of old,,misery loves company. Its more than just that of course. Evil needs to destroy good and all that. But I am trying to get more focused on the real meaning of the season and I am not going to let these lost people rain or snow on my parade as it were.

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    • Resolved
      Posted on December 20, 2010 at 7:09pm

      I don’t know too many atheists that I would categorize as stupid, and I can’t bring myself to care that a group of them wanted to put up a tree of knowledge. I get the outrage at the “You Know its a Myth” board, that was a bit over the line in my opinion, but this? There’s no reason for us to get angry every time an atheist asserts their atheism, just like they have no reason to get angry when we believers assert our Christianity. My nativity scene is not an affront to an atheist’s values, and if he thinks it is, tough. Likewise, I don’t see any reason a tree of knowledge should be an afront to mine. Though I wonder if Capitol Campus would be as forgiving if it WAS a Christmas Tree.

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