New Mosque Vid Exclusive: Rep Tells Kids ‘Holy War is a False Definition of Jihad’
- Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:58am by
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An exclusive video obtained by The Blaze (produced by Americans for Peace and Tolerance) shows that the same tour guide claiming women could vote under Muhammed also claims that “holy war is a false definition of Jihad.”
In the new exclusive video, a mosque representative can be seen describing Jihad to the children:
Holy war is a false definition of Jihad, and it actually is not anywhere in the Koran that war is holy or that Jihad means holy war. The meaning of Jihad is actually struggle or striving.
Yet in the video, APT points out several passages in the Koran, as well as quotes from Muslims, that seem to contradict that assertion.
A high quality version of the video will be officially released by ATP on its website on Sunday afternoon.
View the original video here.
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Comments (153)
PATRIOTMAMA
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:34pmI am a devout Christian. I try to not only talk the talk but do my best to walk the walk. I even demand my own pastors and preachers to prove to me where in the bible they are getting their points from. PROVE IT!!! If Holy War isn’t in the Quran then prove it! Cite your holy book. Christians are constantly bombarded to cite scripture book and verse to prove what they are stating is real. I want to see Muslims start to have to defend their Holy book as Christians do.
Report Post »Byzantine-Catholic
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 7:05pm“Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book (Bible), until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.” –The Koran, Sura 9:29
Report Post »LJ_4_JESUS
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 7:38pmAmen!
Report Post »TattooQ
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:33pmIt seems that both Progressives and radical Islamists have learned the concept of deception (Taqqiya) very well .
Report Post »Airgun
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:32pmIt doesn’t matter what the Quran says, it’s what the adherents DO that qualify jihaad as a holy war.
Report Post »FamilyANDyFun
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:32pmsorry about the spelling thing administrators
Report Post »FamilyANDyFun
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:28pmI wonder if anyone looked up the history of the “religion” of Muslim. To my understanding it’s merely a battle cry that Mohammad used to conquer neighboring countries and unite the tribes into one “religion”. In My opinion the koran is no more than a book that was written by authors such as hitler or stalin. What religion tells you do deceive anyone? Or kill or convert non believers for that matter. It’s totally unacceptable that our teachers and schools are even involved in any of this. First it‘s separation of church and State now it’s the opposite. I think the computer thing instead of teachers or better yet adminestrators would do just fine and free up some very valuable money to pay people who are worth it. Sorry to all muslims but you are following a battle cry.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:30pmGood thing you are here to set everyone straight, since you must have some advanced degree in theology or history, right?
Report Post »Freedomwatcherguy
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 4:43pmNobody is setting any one straight here. Theological degrees are not necessary to evaluate the religion of Islam or any other religion. It’s a little complicated by the fact that the Koran, which was delivered in installments over 23 years, but not actually written down until long after Mohamed’s death, isn’t in chronological order, but organized according to the length of its suras, longest first. If you study it in chronological order along with the bio of Mohamed, it makes a lot more sense. You can follow his career and place the verses of the Koran in that context. Very interesting looked at that way, saying the least. Sharia is a totalitarian system covering every aspect of the Muslim’s life. Unlike Christianity, it recognizes no separation of mosque and state, and no tolerance whatsoever for any other religions, beliefs or political systems. It takes no particular depth of understanding to figure this out, or to see that it poses a real threat to free societies everywhere, especially ours, since we have become the “great satan” and the focus of worldwide Muslim hatred. They will hate us and try to destroy us until we either convert or die. Short of that, they cannot be placated. They are mobilizing within our own borders under the cover of freedom of religion and political correctness. The only question is, what can we do about it?
Report Post »FREEDOMFOX
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:51pmISLAMS ARE ORDERED TO KILL YOU!
Report Post »Scriptures From The Koran:
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. – Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. – Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
….. martyrs…. Enter heaven – Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. – 3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. – Surah 3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. – Surah 4:74
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. – 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. – 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. – 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. – 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme – 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. – 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. – 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. – 9:2-3
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. – 9:5
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. – 9:28
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. – 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. – 9:41
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey’s end. – 9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. – 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers….
As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. – 10:4-15
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. – 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. – 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. – 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Those who are slain in the way of Allah – he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. – 47:5
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. – 48:25
Muhammad is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. – 48:29
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. – 66:9
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. – 98:51..;\
This answer is for POPPOPSHELL, for a question that he asked the other day:
The Koran (also spelled Qur’an), the holy book of the Islamic religion, was written by followers of the prophet Muhammad (c. 570–632). From 610 until his death, Muhammad received visions from Allah (God). Muhammad’s followers recorded these visions in what is now the Koran. Although parts of the 114 chapters of the Koran were recorded during his lifetime, the final version was compiled after his death. Muslims (the term for members of the Islamic religion) believe that the Koran is only a copy of an eternal book that is kept by Allah in heaven as his complete message to humankind. Half poetry and half prose, the Koran has a powerful effect on listeners when read aloud. Nonbelievers often demanded that Muhammad perform miracles, but he explained that he was an ordinary man—not God. According to Muhammad, the Koran was a miracle because of its perfect use of the Arabic language. According to the Koran, Allah is God and Muhammad will be coming back on the second coming instead of Jesus! So it depends if you belive the Biible or the Koran, one is right and one is wrong!
flagbearer
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:24pmWe always had to have field trip destinations approved by administrators, and the trips had to support the learning standards/objectives. Permission slips had to be signed by parents. So, how was this field trip justified? Where is the ACLU? Why didn’t the parents object, if they signed permission slips? I‘m glad I don’t live in a state where this happens, as it doesn’t speak well of security and/or school board policies. This is clearly a violation of church and state. Even if they were studying the Middle East/current affairs, it is extemely inappropriate. I’d bet the ACLU would be all over this field trip if they had gone to a Catholic or Protestant church, a Mormon tabernacle, or a Jewish synogogue. Where’s the media coverage other than here? Thank you Blaze!
Report Post »eddie333
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:21pmFEIN Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:51pm
Report Post »said “…Judaism and Christian are being taught that it is okay to lie about their belief if it saves their life.” NO, YOU ARE WRONG OR YOU ARE LYING! Your statement requires you to list the Bible chapter and verse that states that it is OK for Jews and Christians to lie to save your life. I have four words for you: Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Read about the fiery furnace in the book of Daniel.
w4jle
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 2:49pmMatthew 10:33, 39 says,
Report Post »“Whoever denies Me (Jesus) before men, I will also deny him before My Father in Heaven… He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.”
American Dad
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:18pmIslam just like it’s self appointed originator is not to be trusted. They can say any lie as long at it promotes Islamic ends. DO NOT TRUST WHAT ANY IMAM SAYS OR DOES!
The Koran is full is lies and distortions, hatred and violence, you do not want you kids any were near it.
What the idiot cave stooge thought was the angel gabriel was actually the devil himself, the self appointed prophet was too stupid and full of himself to figure it out.
That‘s right the west hasn’t any respect for mohammad and his self serving dictates. Get over it.
Report Post »Silversmith
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:03pmI’m getting tired of all the semantic BS. Let’s redefine everything so Islam looks peaceful and beneficent. It’s like dealing with a boarder line personality disorder.
Silversmith
Report Post »w4jle
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 2:44pmHere is a link to an online Koran with a search engine. Enter Jihad and read for yourself. Enter Lie and see if any of the cr@p they are spewing is justified by the words of the prophet.
Report Post »http://quran.com/search?q=jihad
drbage
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:58pmHey, ACLU where are you and why are you NOT screaming about separation of church and state on this one? Hey, parents where are you and why are you NOT speaking up, too! Were these same students taken to a cathedral, church, synagogue, temple, or any other religious building to get a fair and balanced portrayal of those religions?
Report Post »Silverwolf00
Posted on September 19, 2010 at 1:37pmSeparation of church and state is intended to protect the church from the state not the state from the church…
Report Post »MCGIRV
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:49pmThey can lie all they want. That’s what they are supposed to do. Check out the video at link . “Three Things About Islam”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w
Report Post »Weetsie
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:02pmMCGIRV: Awsome link, very informative and frightening… Thank You
Report Post »rugin
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:45pmThe parents need to WAKE UP.
Report Post »Former Communist
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:40pmLet the women vote on this!
Report Post »msctex
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:33pmUnder what possible set of circumstances was this “field trip” arranged? If it were my kid involved, I would find out precisely who 1) came up with the idea, and 2) who in authority made the decision to allow it occur, and then do all I could to ensure they were in no position to ever make such a decision again.
Report Post »missmarie
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:04pmI agree with you. I would have been all over the school on this way before it happened.
Report Post »RememberWeThePeople
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:28pmPeople rise up at expose the truth behind global warming and they are tagged “ignorant deniers” They rise up to expose the president as the Marxist that he is and they are tagged “racist” They expose the truth about radical Islam and they are tagged as “intolerant”. On all these issues the people were right but the elites and the media turn their heads…..madness!!!
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:47pmRight on, Righton, Right on…Simply stated. Take two to the polls in Nov.
Report Post »NFYRx
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:14pmAt least muslims are not taught to practice “tolerance” that’s really annoying.
Report Post »DanniDee
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:12pmSince Muslims are godless, I want none of my family involved with them.
Report Post »QweeQwa
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 7:08pmYep I hear you. Besides that they look kinda fun too.
Report Post »Weetsie
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:11pmWho cares, I DONT WANT MY KIDS BEING TAKEN TO ANY RELIGOUS INSTITUTION WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE Peroid! This teacher needs to loose her job. The principal needs to loose his job. End of story.
Report Post »monkeymom
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:26pmI assume the school had to send home permission slips – as with any off campus trip. Do we know what parents were told/not told about this outing?
Weetsie
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:40pmMy assumption is (and you know what happens when you ass-u-me) that this mosque was not what the field trip was about. I think it may have been one of many stops. But again it’s just an assumption.
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:56pmThey just stopped off at the mosque on the way to The Center For American Progress. There are no videos from inside the Center, but it is widely thought that Van Jones lectured on the future of the green revolution.
Report Post »Weetsie
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:03pmBeckofile: Thanks for clearing that up. After all they are in Mass.
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:10pmThey are in Moseschusetts, Mosquechusetts or Massachusettstan. They don’t care about the seperation of church and state there, just seperation of the infidel from clinging to the bible.
Report Post »Weetsie
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:14pmCan I get an AMEN?
Report Post »sandiespeake
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 2:40pmThis is the correct answer to this subject ….
Report Post »wtd
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 7:20pmActually this reply is to monkeymom . . .in the first video posted at youtube, one of the parent chaperones details the goal of the field trip as outlined on the permission slip:
Report Post »“. . .learn about the architecture of a Mosque and observe a midday prayer service.” This statement is highlighted in the video. Clearly, the school program directors were well aware of the prayer time and it’s relation to the trip. What is unclear, is what discussion about mosque (lower case m intentional) architecture took place, and whether that goal to learn about mosque architecture took place at all. As a matter of fact, mosque architecture is a laudable goal to teach middle school students. If I were a parent of one of these students,I would insist the school board invite scholars to ACTUALLY TEACH ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL EVOLUTION of seized Zoroastrian and Hindu temples , Christian, Jewish and Bhuddist houses of worship seized through jihad throughout the Muslim world which were transformed into triumphalist monuments glorifying Islamic conquest. I would demand time to introduce these students and their parents to another foundational element of the subsequent application of Islamic law, the shariah, and the consequent system of extreme humiliation and subserviance called dhimmitude resulting from Islamic conquest. Yes, examine further the controversial history of this “architectural marvel ” visited by these students in May, and do discuss the growing list of individuals with terror ties who are associated with the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center. Be thorough. Consider it a make up lesson in architecture which was overlooked during the field trip.
CatB
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:11pmThis has to stop and stop now … any school that participates in this type of INDOCTRINATION needs to be shut down! Reopen it with real teachers who are not beholden to the Teachers Unions and other socialist organizations (if we can find any). How about homeschooling by computers via the internet ….then teachers could be watched CLOSELY!
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:29pmI totally agree with you CATB about the absolute necessity of having a separation between Church and State.
Report Post »trgtdron
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 6:36pmyes
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:11pmOh…Jam e’ Jam on your lies
Report Post »Weetsie
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:09pmAdd your comments
Report Post »Freelancer
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:09pmStealth Jihad with our children as targets for recruitment…. Will children be required to execute their parents if they refuse to submit?
Report Post »QweeQwa
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 7:05pmYou aren’t losing any sleep worrying about that are you?
Report Post »RumsfeldFan
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:08pmStruggle or striving against what?
Therein lies the truth.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:04pmRememebr that in the Koran it is OK to lie to non believers when describing what the Koran teaches.
Report Post »moriarty70
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:21pmAnd remember that with this logic it doesn’t matter if they tell the truth or not, you can just dismiss it as a lie. Besides, it’s not okay to lie to advance your own agenda, the actuall teaching (which exists in all 3 Abrahamic faiths) says it’s okay to lie about your faith if your life is at risk for believing it.
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:29pmThat is interesting. Lots of Americans believe Obummer is a muslim. Do you think he learned to lie from his koran or from his other bible “Rules for Radicals” , where it is taugh that it is ok to lie in order to justify the ends???? These idiologies sound similar
Report Post »justjen
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:33pmNot true moriarty70 – Lying is a sin and one of the Ten Commandments
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:50pmIt‘a one of the things you can’t do in the commandments but one of the stratagies you must do in the Rules for Rascals bible. What is the bamster to do?
Report Post »FEIN
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:51pmmoriarty70—If what you said is true, then there would be no martyr’s…they would just deny everything know that it is justified…Sorry, can’t buy that Judaism and Christian are being taught that it is okay to lie about their belief if it saves their life.
Report Post »moriarty70
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:11pmjustjen – That would mean all the Christians who managed to get their faith through the Roman purges commited sin to do so. Isn’t there a slight conflict there? I can’t think of a single divine being that would have issue with lying when faced with death.
Report Post »eddie333
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:12pmFor more on the Koran’s promotion of lying, read “Understanding Taqiyya ― Islamic Principle of Lying for the Sake of Allah”
Report Post »http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm
PubliusPencilman
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:28pmWhich commandment JustJen? Do not bear false witness against your neighbor? Sounds like you should not lie to condemn someone. It does not say, like Christine O’Donnell thinks, that you shouldn’t lie to Hitler about the Jews you are hiding. Read your Bible and pay attention to what is actually says.
Don’t you think it is a bit contradictory to say that Islam is a religion of violence because “moderates” refuse to speak out against terrorism, yet whenever they DO speak out against extremist interpretations of Jihad, you shouldn’t believe them because they are clearly lying? You are making assumptions based on who they are rather than what they say, and that is a textbook example of prejudice and bigotry. Case closed!
Report Post »moriarty70
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:29pmEddy, that article is based on individuals interpretations of the passages, not the passages themselves. Considering not all Christians are Catholics, one can’t define an entire religion on one leaders interpretation. Just because Pat Robertson said Haiti made a deal with the devil so they deserved the quake, doesn’t mean all Christians think that.
Fein, I may be wrong about the other Christianity and Judaism may not teach it, but as I said earlier I know it’s been a practice since both faiths survived. And there is something comendable for a belief that says “If you‘re life’s in danger, lie. As long as you know whats in your heart it’s all good.”
Report Post »lainab
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:40pmmoriarty70
“Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:11pm
justjen – That would mean all the Christians who managed to get their faith through the Roman purges commited sin to do so. Isn’t there a slight conflict there? I can’t think of a single divine being that would have issue with lying when faced with death.”
moriarty70–I think you are referring to “Roman purges” as the times when Christians were executed for their beliefs? If so, then, no they didn’t necessarily lie. It is a well-known fact that Christians were executed in droves, but that persecution (and their steadfastness to the death) was what helped the gospel spread so rampantly. In fact, the New Testament states very plainly in Matthew 5:11-12, “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”
This plainly states that persecution is an HONOR, NOT permission to lie about one’s beliefs. Jesus Himself did not weasel out of being executed for His claims of being God in the flesh, and every one of His disciples paid the ultimate price for their faith. Lying about one’s beliefs out of self-preservation (or to prostelytize) is in direct opposition with both the Ten Commandments AND New Testiment teaching by the apostles. Verses like Matthew are ALL over the New Testiment. In FACT, in Revelation, those martyred for their faith hold a special office in God’s Kingdom, and those who deny their faith do not make it into Heaven. Matthew 10:33, 39 says, “Whoever denies Me (Jesus) before men, I will also deny him before My Father in Heaven… He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.” Food for thought, huh?
Report Post »moriarty70
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 2:07pmAs I said in an earlier response I may be wrong, and you have proven me so.
Report Post »kralspaces
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 2:20pmOh! You mean like Global Warming?
Report Post »moriarty70
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 2:35pmkralspaces – Just a tip for the future, when you see a civil discussion going on where people are treating each other and the topic with the respect due mature adults, throwing a snide comment in with no value to the talk won’t get others to behave that way.
As well, when that discussion was filled with citations, just saying something doesn’t create a conversation either.
All I was doing was admiting I was misinformed on part of the topic and owning up to it instead of trying to spin it in my favour.
Report Post »Christi
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 5:56pmMoriarty70 – I think it’s great you can admit to being mistaken; so few of us are capable of doing so!
I *think* Kralspaces’ comment was in reply to the original comment from Contrarianthinker.
Peace!
Report Post »chai
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 10:28amMoriarity: except, of course, all the Christian martyr would not lie about their belief in Christ, which was why, of course, they were fed to lions, burnt alive, etc. So… no, if you believe in Christ, don’t lie about it. Or you are not better than a heretic.
Report Post »Texas.7
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 9:43pmIf Jihad is not “Holy War”, what is Honor Killing? Maybe some are teaching a different form of honor? While I don’t think all Muslims would endorse such violence, I think we can all learn from Jesus’ example of the prodigal son story- the father (representing God the Father), freely let his child go astray (that would be us), until hungry and filthy, we return on our knees. Instead of exterminating him for his sins, his child is embraced, forgiven and blessed. I think every human interaction benefits when we truly follow Christ’s teachings (though I would freely admit that people who claim Christ have not always done so). Christianity teaches tolerance and my impression of Islam is that it requires conformity. Is honor killing in the Koran?
I guess the question isn’t “Is Jihad in the Koran?”, but rather, “Does Islam endorse killing people because they believe differently?” If Jihad isn’t in the Koran, and we have been misinformed, what does “Soldier of Allah” mean?
Report Post »wendio
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:02pmWould Muslim parents want their children taken to a Christian church? This is NOT something teachers need to be involved in… perhaps it is time to replace teachers with computers… it worked for the auto industry.
Beckofile
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:26pmIf Jihad is the struggle in life for the normal needs then explain the beheading of westerners in the name of Jihad.
klstj
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:37pmThe goal is to convert all to Islam. The Koran preaches to deceive the infidel. I believe the bible preaches to be honest, especially in the face of death. This would be a moment where you are reconciling your life and sins. I don’t believe that Jesus would prescribe to the philosophy of deceit for conversion to Christianity. That said, leave our children alone and stop with the double standards of the acceptability of religion in regards to teaching, youth, the public debate, etc. History will explain many things, not sure on the spelling, but a robott is when they build a mosque as a symbol of Islam conquering a site, such is related to defeating the infidel. The ground zero mosque would be one of the largest in the world, a symbol of victory, using deceit to accomplish it, using deceit to defend it, using deceit and our own constitution to create a monument symbolize their success. Then recruiting, teaching, deceiving those who use this structure to defeat and infiltrate the homeland of the infidel.
Report Post »Freelancer
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:47pmYou now have to watch even the very young children as Islam has been found in several toys for the little ones…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZLXffdEBgA
Report Post »BorderCollieFeeder
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 2:21pmRight on Beckofile. If my Dad were still alive he would simply refer to it as “murder.”
Areyoukiddingme
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 3:46pmI still think Mr. O is a muslim http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY&feature=player_embedded#!
Report Post »Buck Bagaw
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 4:09pmIf the teachers took muslim kids to a church odds are that the school would burn, or at the very least the teacher would receive death threats. Islam runs on mass hysteria, I’ll bet that there is no way on Earth that you could find nineteen devout young Christian men willing to fly planes into buildings and murder three thousand innocents in the name of Jesus Christ. Religion of peace??? NOT!!
Report Post »QweeQwa
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 7:01pmGreat solution there Wendio.
Report Post »sirpaulj7
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 7:01pmFreelancer, I can only assume you are kidding! If not, you might be surprised to learn that the doll supposedly spouting “Islam is the Light” has long been shown to be an urban myth. But, I suppose we all hear what we want.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2008/10/10/talking-doll-allegedly-says-islam-is-the-light.htm
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 8:20pmIf I would say I “Hate every one ” Except for muslim.. and they were my one and whole God savior truth!!! {Blaze Mormon censorship}….HTTP http://WWW... Islamicphobia>>>>”)()()(HPPT>>Com..FTP…
Report Post »NukeHaze
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 1:06amJoseph:
Your post is a fabricated self censored spew of nonsense. If this periodical was Mormon censored, there would not be any foul comments allowed on it. They abound plentifully. You make it obvious that your intent is to smear and act as if you are a victim of someone preventing you freedom of speech.
Crawl back under your rock.
Report Post »t00nces2
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 4:30pmsirpaulj7… That youtube link takes you to a news report that has the audio from the toys. Sure sounds like “Islam is the light” to me.
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