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See Beck‘s Passionate Interview With Allen West Over ’Indefinite Detention Bill’ Stance

[Editor's note: the video below is choppy in some places; we are working on getting a higher-quality version.]

In a radio segment Monday morning, Glenn Beck and Congressman Allen West had a lively discussion– and voiced some strong points of disagreement– on the current language of the National Defense Authorization Act, also referred to as the “Indefinite Detention Bill.”

Glenn kicked off the discussion by putting all cards on the table — namely that he holds Congressman West in high regard both personally and professionally, but has a point of real disagreement with him on this policy issue. And he didn’t mince words when discussing his concerns.

Glenn is not alone. Senator Mike Lee voted against it,  and Senator Rand Paul has been the most vocal critic of the bill under the interpretation that it could indefinitely imprison a U.S. citizen captured on U.S. soil without trial.

Rep. West tried to set some context for the discussion by saying that certain language could be ironed out in conferencing the House and Senate Bill before it’s presented to the President. But he did not disagree with the fundamental concerns of those who oppose the NDAA in its current form.

If the NDAA passes as written, U.S. Citizens suspected of terrorism and caught on U.S. soil could forfeit their rights to due process and the presumption of innocence underlying the Constitution.

In fact, the bill is so controversial that Obama and his entire senior national security team strongly oppose it on the grounds that it would limit their flexibility.

But Congressman West still believes the NDAA, in some form, is necessary to protect the American people from the continuing threat of Islamic terrorism, and that includes military tribunals for U.S. citizens.

This it where Glenn weighed in with markedly different point of view. While the discussion was among two people with obvious and deep respect for each other, the policy disagreement was spirited.

Rep. West offered that the “21st century battlefield is completely different” than anything the U.S. has dealt with before, and that there is a profound inability on the part of the U.S. government to define the terrorist threat.

West specifically mentioned the Fort Hood terrorist attack committed by Major Nidal Hasan, and now-deceased American-born terrorists Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan who engaged in war against the United States.

While Glenn agreed that the battlefield is different now and needs to be clearly defined, he parted ways with West on the issue of Constitutional protections for U.S. citizens captured on U.S. soil in all cases.

Simply put, Glenn felt that U.S. citizens caught in the Homeland get a trial, no matter how heinous the terrorist act. Rep. West believes U.S. citizens can head straight to GITMO to face a military tribunal, no trial needed. The Congressman tempered his comments by saying he was focused on the “strategic vision instead of tactical vision.”

On the issue of “suspected” terrorist ending up in detention, Glenn hit hard that this point would have been unacceptable to the Founding Fathers. “We are crossing all boundaries that our founders warned us on,” Glenn said, and West seemed to agree, but could only offer that he hoped Congress would “Conference out the language suspected” before Congress sent the law up for Obama’s signature.

West stated that he was “not talking about going after Branch Davidians” and stated “I’m not saying we should have military start patrolling our streets and shooting people,” but Glenn countered that that’s where the NDAA could lead us.

Glenn heard the Congressman out, and before the segment ended, summarized his position on the NDAA ‘Indefinite Detention Bill’ as “I Can’t go down the road with you on this one.”

“Government is fire, you must treat it like fire,” Glenn said, ”if fire controls you, you are in trouble.”

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  • Ready2greettheMessiah
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:00pm

    Should this administration find away to steal the next election, you can be assured that anyone who stands up against them will be labeled a “terrorist” .i.e. Christians and be sent to Gitmo. Doesn’t take a college grad to figure this one out. Trust me they wouldn‘t be working on this legislation if it wasn’t going to serve a purpose in the near future. B.O. and his peeps are just getting the ducks in a row and should you get in their way, they will just call you a terrorist, no trial and no jury = No more good ole’ American Freedom. Thanks again to all of you that voted for this Hope and Change, we sure need 4 more years of this.

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:09pm

      West is using scare tactics to trash the Constitution with the “indefinite detention” bill, just as the GOP-backed media use terror tactics to get the foreign policies they want.

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    • Heffe44
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:30pm

      POTUS has said that he will veto the bill. Doesn‘t that kind of shoot holes in your theory that he’s the one pushing this?

       
    • recoveringneocon
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:36pm

      I wonder how the people who support this man feel after this? He is saying it will all be ok to PooP on the Constitution as long as the right people are in charge. Can you believe this? Our Constitution was written so that the government, no matter who was in charge, could not trample on the GOD given rights of its citizens .. Now West wants to play God. This man is the enemy of the People and the Constitution.. Wake Up People!

      Remember this?
      The Blaze
      Allen West: Ron Paul ‘Not the Kind of Guy You Need to Be Sitting at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave’

      Well Allen, Ron Paul is the only Candidate standing between you and the Consitution. No wonder you don’t want him in the White House. Its called a VETO!

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    • Krazy_Kreepy_Ketchup
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:37pm

      @Ready2greettheMessiah

      I couldnt agree more. My personal take – the Jews get sent to the ovens, the Christians and other religions head to gitmo and the current gitmo terrorists/enemies are given beachfront homes owned by the former.

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    • Norm D. Plume
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:37pm

      Potus is blowing smoke up your bum.

      According to Sen. Levin, he was the one who required that US Citizens be part of this dragnet.

      He won’t veto it, if it passes, unless by some miracle the Congress writes some protections for citizens into the bill.

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    • neuneo
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:46pm

      watch?v=PLiKvSz_wX8 This says it all…the Admin is playing the American people, thats for sure. They are ALL corrupt, top-down

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    • AZindependent
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 5:00pm

      The military will be patrolling our streets. Posse Comitatus is thrown out the window. West turns out to be another fear mongering, Constitution ignoring, right wing control freak. This bill is such BS.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 5:06pm

      First of all I applaud Glenn for finally coming around to small gov’t little r republicanism and most of all allegiance to the US Constitution. Unfortunately Glenn knows that there is only one man in the Republican race willing to stand up for Freedom and Liberty granted to US citizens under our Constitution but since he refuses to prosecute these asine Wars for the “ellte” (like that Blaze? lol we know they are really being fought for though right? lol) you continually express your disdain for him and marginalize him at every opportunity…

      Anyway, this piece of legislation should leave every god fearing american shaking in their proverbial boots! You just don’t pass this type of legislation for fear of what could happen.. for fear and an understanding of how easy it will be to abuse it.. My god I simply can’t believe that this is being shoved before the American people with hardly a peep of protest! It took 100s and thousands of years to procure these Liberties which we have enjoyed in America over the past several 100 years.. My goodness what fool would risk it?

      Well our Neo-Con fools in Congress and the Senate at the direction of their Neo-Con leaders like McCain, Graham, Lieberman, Levine, Boxer, Feinstein…etc

      Please get on your phones to your local Congressmen to have this stopped and amended now!! Be safe rather than sorry!

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    • Wolf
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 5:12pm

      @Heffe44- there’s not a chance the Turd will veto this- unless any authority to wantonly arrest citizens is removed. Anyone who thinks he‘s got America’s best interests in mine when signing bills is crazy: in three years he hasn’t done one thing to help this country other than blame Bush for his problems.
      How does that fit your theory he’s not going to sign it? Go troll somewhere else, lib.

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 5:36pm

      I just lost a lot of respect for West.

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    • DrFrost
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 5:48pm

      1) We really need to have personal ignore lists on these forums. Enough said.
      2) I agree with Buck Shane… Allen West just took a big step down in my book. I’d like to hear how the republican candidates feel about this bill.
      3) I’m with Glenn Beck all the way on this issue. I would hope that if this bill passed it would be struck down by the SCOTUS as it obviously violates the constitution.

      Any candidate that does not vehemently stand against this bill will lose my support then and there.

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    • tbl10
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 5:55pm

      The reason Obama said he would veto this is because the White House has repeatedly said they don’t need Congress permission, they can do the very same thing through executive order. They do not want their hands tied that is the reason they will veto this bill if it passes. They will not give up the executive power to determine who and who is not an enemy of the state.

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    • LOJ
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 6:29pm

      The patriot Act under Bush was safe because he could be trusted..How do you trust Obama with a law like this, after seeing the ulterior motives of Fast and Furious to stop Gun sales and disarm American citizens? This National Defense Autorization Act of arresting US citizens without a civilian trial or jury could be used against people for something they said in a blog, or just a disagreement of policies. There need to be specific language on What a Terrorist is, someone who commits Jihad, bombs installations, or threatens bodily injury, not just an innocent citizen. This is not the Role of the US military and once again, due to terrorism our laws are being used against Ordinary Citizens and the Politicians had better wake up here! In their Tom Foolery they may be lining us up to be victims in an Internment Camp.

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    • patriotsrn1
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 6:46pm

      (SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY/ (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens) seems to indicate that Citizens of the US are excluded from being Detained, was only a Smoke Screen to divert attention away from other sections buried deep in this Bill including “SEC. 5201. RURAL AND STATE OUTREACH” which looks a heck of a lot like Agenda 21??? Tell me what in this section has anything to do with Defense???

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    • recoveringneocon
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:34pm

      LOJ
      “The patriot Act under Bush was safe because he could be trusted”

      I hope your kidding. Please tell me your just joking aroud.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:34pm

      Yo Buck:
      Feelin the same. This administration already does not call terrorists as such. This bill will be twisted to label christians as terrorists. It is already being done in certain circles in this nation. Beck is absolutely correct on this issue. All it takes is a little WISDOM to see the direction this could take.

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    • FourthGenFarmer
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 8:44pm

      I wonder where all of you “Constitutionalists” were during the Bush presidency. You sheeple were too busy calling people like me an anarchist or terrorist (or worse) when Bush was laying the groundwork for the institutional tyranny that is about to bloom across this land.
      Good job, you idiots made your beds, and now you are complaining that the warm embrace of a tyrannical govt really doesnt feel so good. Anyone remeber this blast from the past “if you arent doing anything wrong you shouldnt be worried” Though I dont really believe in organized religion the saying ‘YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW” seems to be applicable.
      Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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    • SlimnRanger
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 8:58pm

      Well now ain’t this something ,I am not in agreement with Allan West on this,and i sure did like that man,i am disapointed in Herman Cain also, not disapointed in Obama i had him pegged right from the begining,and i am not happy with any Rep. running for President, Ohh Lord what to do,what to do?

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    • sambachico
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 11:18pm

      Good for Glenn – he stood up for some constitutional integrity. Proud of him to see this.

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    • rc30
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 11:26pm

      Now am really scared. Its a crazy time in history to live. Just crazy what do you do. Food water ammo is all us simple people can do. Not enough cash to do much more. Looks like my dream car may have to go.

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    • Fusion Center Commander
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 3:06am

      And many on here wanted Allen West to run for President? Hope this shows you where he really stands on the Constitution and Freedom. In his view the whole world is now the battlefield. He is a Globalist in Conservative clothes. Ron Paul is the only answer that rings true. Wake up America or stay asleep till they pick you up for your ride to the FEMA Camp closest to you.

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:56am

      When the ‘Pilgrims’ made their journey, they demonstrated a conviction and determination that was, for the time, in a word; incredible.

      What did they leave behind?

      Hundreds of thousands of people without their convictions or beliefs. Around the world literally Billions of people PREFER to live under some ones boot because they don’t have the commitment or strength of character to stand up for themselves. Untrue is the belief that ALL people wish to be free.

      America used to be a nation of the former not the later. Today, a staggering number of people who live in our nation claim to speak for the rest of us in their genuflection to tyranny and are in fact pleading to be dominated.

      As GB states frequently: America is an idea. Without the individual conviction to pursue the ‘idea’ America doesn’t exist.

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    • stopspendingourmoney
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:42am

      This is why we need Ron Paul as POTUS.

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    • KICKILLEGALSOUT
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:51pm

      They will and already are in the process of trying to steal ALL elections, local, state and on the national level. This is exactly why we need more people to get trained and mobilize as many as they can in their community to be poll watchers and election judges. Find out more about it here.
      http://www.truethevote.org/

      Don’t let the corrupt Democrats and their activist organizations steal any more elections!

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    • ConstitunalAmerican
      Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:12pm

      Its already being done by silencing the factual news, sending drones over the us, and those who represent us are only representing themselves and push these type of laws. The writers of this law, written in secrecy, by John McCain (R) and Carl Levin (D) and was passed 97 to 3. Even Marco Rubio signed in favor.

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    • Red Meat
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:20am

      West is a dem operative and a consummate liar. It disturbs me some people still support him after reviewing OR NOT reviewing his voting record.

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  • junior1971
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:54pm

    It’s like invasion of the body snatchers. They go to washington as patriotic freedom loving Americans and then come out supporting dictatorial, militant, oppressive government initiatives. Up is down, down is up, left is right right is left……. dear Lord I’m confused…. :o) ………..which way did he go George?????

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    • escape_from_socialism
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:08pm

      Darn, you absolutely right.

      I went to Washington once, with my lovely wife……month later we were in a court room, fighting over kids and a house…..

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  • fishlore
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:54pm

    If this passed, the first thing that should happen when Obama looses reelection is he should be put away for life using this new P.O.S. law and he should never have a trial. Same goes for Holder and other libs. Only then will they see the folly in their ways.

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  • Dakota Hawk
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:52pm

    I am slowing converting to a Ron Paul supporter. I’m so confused!!!?? I may error to the constitutionalist M. Bachman and R. Paul. ughghgh! Can someone bring Cain back?

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:56pm

      Cain was a joke. He is as weak on foreign policy as Ron Paul is.

      There is no answer…Not this time around…sorry…

      Romney or Gingrich, same difference. At least a bit better than Obama…

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:00pm

      You can never “err on the side of the Constitution”

      Presidents have a hard time getting 1/3 of what they want done.

      You want 1/3 of Dr. Paul — or 1/3 of a progressive/non-constitutionalist Republican?

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:02pm

      Well, I can agree with Ron Paul, but Bachmann scares me. She voted for the antiPatriot act, which led to this “indefinite detention” bill. She thinks like West!

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:14pm

      vechorik,

      I will “probably” vote for Paul in the primary because there simply is no other choice. This has not changed for me from the beginning. But have you not gotten it through your head yet that he has NO chance of winning the primary?

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    • GoodStuff
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:26pm

      Newt, Romney, RuPaul – they all suck!

      If this is the best we can do, we’re screwed.

      And, you guys are goofy. Beck and West were is agreement here. Both said the bill is irrelevant as long as the government is unwilling or too cowardly to differentiate between “bubba and his three shotguns” versus an “islamic jihadist terrorist.” If you listen the the interview carefully, West says he won’t vote for the bill if there is any wording that includes “suspected.”

      Plus, this whole debate is pointless, the bill won‘t pass because Obama won’t sign it.

      P.S. Can we purge the Paulbots from the The Blaze? They are the most ridiculous, obnoxious clowns in the history of the Internets.

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:28pm

      Yes, that’s the point to get through the primary.
      We’ll talk more after the Iowa vote ;-)

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    • escape_from_socialism
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:33pm

      @trolltrainer – if we will continue to trust MSM and un-scientific polls, payed by MSM, we will always end up with half baked morons-in-chief like we had in the past and now.
      They change colors and names so fast, most people can’t keep up. And they always have enemy for us.
      Oh…snap……now we are all the enemy.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:45pm

      Well then guys, here is a little advice: Tone down the rhetoric and quit ******* everyone else off!!! You need to get the message across that Paul is the only chance to make any difference. Calling everyone neocons and slamming everyone else is not the way to do this. Because whoever wins the primary will get the vote of anyone that sees Obama is a dead end. I know many dems and even some liberals that can stomach Ron Paul over the other RINOs.

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    • escape_from_socialism
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:46pm

      @GOODSTUFF.
      Blahhh-blahhh-blahhhh. West, with all respect, show his disrespect to our constitution voting to extend PatriotAct. Now is just cherry on the icing with NDAA.
      Argument, Our founding fathers didn’t foresight islamist terrorists, is just bogus. They have studied human nature, really, really good. They design this type of governance really carefully and in time of peace, so to the contrary, most of legislation created in rush and time of war or unrest, usually gives government too much power, even if given in good faith it will eventually end up in used against it own citizens.

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    • neuneo
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:50pm

      I was for Cain, but he’s out and our constitution is getting destroyed before our eyes.. I really fear for this country.I am leaning to Paul now. The others aren’t even close when it comes to the constitution. Either we live in tyranny or we stand for freedom people, which is it going to be?

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  • gftw48
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:50pm

    Allen west Is a weasel
    The republican politicians Are weasels
    Democratic politicians are weasels
    And the american people Are cowards
    And obama is right Americans are lazy
    And you all deserve what you’re going to get

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:57pm

      As much as it is bound to piss everyone off…I cannot disagree, sir…

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  • cromag11b
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:49pm

    Anyone who supports this bill as it stands is anti-American. Its pretty simple to see this is a thing designed to undermine the last remaining liberties we have.

    And West is just another idiot who can’t let go of the Cold War.

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    • Mtroom
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:47am

      To prove to those that don‘t agree that this man’s an idiot….He keeps using “I” when he talks about the view of this bill…West stated that he was “not talking about going after Branch Davidians” and stated “I’m not saying we should have military start patrolling our streets and shooting people,”..He’s not, but others will be looking at it like that Mr. West…You are opening a door to things that will get out of control quickly…I wonder if Mr. West will be there every time this bill is misused by someone else?

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  • Roaran
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:48pm

    Allen West is such a joke…. He used the founding fathers and the constitution to get himself elected, then betrayed them. Intentionally or not… west has got to go.

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    • ShyLow
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:01pm

      I agree…vote in someone that follows the constitution…anyone that deviates from it is a progressive…I wish Glenn would quit with his progressive war-mongering policies that go against the constitution

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:20pm

      I agree. The progressives that we have had over the past decades were smart. They trained young progressives in their government schools over the years so as to create a demand for progressive politicians. Now we are stuck with screwed up citizens and politicians to boot. There is no way to correct it all at once and we can only hope to do the best we can.

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 8:01am

      I disagree, MR.West still presents the best military mind in Congress. I agree with what he said.I can see both sides.IF our government (including the Judiciary) yet reflected the Constitution in all that they do –i.e. if it remained the supreme law of the land. and every judge or public officer subject to the terms adopted by the States in 1789 .It is wrong to hold Mr.West to a standard different that one does the rest of our Government. IMO the Founders would have executed Major Nidal Hasan for the murders done in his little Jihad at Ft.Hood -had such a case been found. Was Benedict Arnold given such benefit by our Government? Understand the bloody freaking Islamists have NEVER had any allegiance to America. IMO the moment anyone takes up arms against our Military– or our system– Occupy dupes included (in their intent to destroy America) They cease to be citizens but become instead enemy combatants. As such I agree with Mr.West. Is there high risk of abuse of such legislation?No more and no less than the risk of abuse of any other written law. Look at what has been done to the Bill of Rights in my lifetime .

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  • garbagecanlogic
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:45pm

    I like Allen West. I like his answer – however if there are not changes made to the proposed law, then it is flawed terribly.

    The U.S. Out Of The U.N.
    The U.N. Out Of The U.S.

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    • ShyLow
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:17pm

      Allen West is only looking to word-smith this bill into something that will fool the stupids

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  • BacktotheFounders
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:40pm

    Col. West, please do some more thinking about this. You are seeing this as if the military will always remain as it was when you were in it. There was no difficulty figuring out who the good guys were. Imagine a few years down the road when there will be many more Muslims in it. Some of them will surely be sitting on those military tribunals. What if Homeland Security declares that some U.S. citizens, such as former military people or people who display their Christian faith, should be declared terrorists? (Actually, this has already happened.) Would you want to be brought before one of those tribunals?

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:52pm

      What freshman congress person gets the media coverage of West? None
      Why? Because he’s part of the GOP war machine and progressiveness. That’s why.

      You tell West to “think again” — He’s not thinking in the first place.

      He’s just following orders, like any good soldier.

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  • stickandtwig.com
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:40pm

    As much as it may pain us to accept, accept we must. To put it in the same military terms as he tried to use to defend himself: Rep. West is advocating fratricide in the name of force preservation.

    Or in the words of our founders:

    “People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.”
    –Benjamin Franklin

    For Americans to accept a compromise of its founding ideals and principles is to admit we no longer support those ideals and principles. Therefore, what – exactly – do we pretend to be defending?

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:52pm

      All of this is being done in the name of diversity…We can’t call out (or at least won’t) call out the group in which terrroism is fostered and supported. For not all islamist are terrorist however all terrorist at this time are Islamist. How about we do simple and band the religion of Islam instead of subjugating everyone to a one law fits all rule.
      West lost a lot of respect from Americans for defending tyranny for the little security.

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  • MarianS
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:39pm

    I’m in a pickel here…I love both these guys and agree and disagree with both, Too many Valid points made !
    I sat and watched CSPAN for 13 hrs with the Senate and I guess I’ll do the same with Congress, The wording of S1867 was really bad before the Senate pulled it apart, We’ll just have to see what Congress does to it.

    I’m so confused …….

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    • Rightallalong
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:52pm

      Its not that confusing. An American citizen must be protected by the constituion. Any variation from that and we slide into a police state.

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:05pm

      Yes, instead of minorities and class warfare, it’s time to speak out for the smallest minority — the INDIVIDUAL (got that from Ron Paul) LOL

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  • wewantchillywilly
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:35pm

    when you sacrifice your liberty for protection, you sign over your life to the government.

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  • Moozmom
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:34pm

    Trust no one now and I do not trust this bill The marxist enemies in power in Washington have no problem eventually confining and killing ordinary citizens. They will eventually need to do this to prove themselves as “in control”. Poor Mr. West; he does not see the forest for the trees.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:45pm

      DAMN, I had so much hope for Allen West. He just lose everything he gained on the national stage by supporting anything like this. This is the nuclear option of the tyrant. There an old saying “hang out with a barber long enough and you’ll get a hair cut” Look’s like COL. West has hung out too long in Washington. There another saying as well“ those willing to trade liberty for security end up with neither” the American people must stop this bill at all cost.

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  • Micmac
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:30pm

    West’s arguments are false and based upon false premises after listening to him. Another clueless politician. Paul is so right-on on this one. Taking away freedom for “security” on the surface, but West is still for it. And, he says we need the right leadership to handle this…what happens when it isn’t the right leadership. A free ticket to a “Not get out of jail card.”

    NoBama 2012
    Reboot Washington

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  • isobamamadd
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:30pm

    here is some viewing for you. Gingrich is an anti- constitution ,internationalist. really helped the New World order in his time,Weather he knew it at the time or not..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02HX5v5Thpk

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  • diablamonkey
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:27pm

    Newt is nothing but a new world order guy-he just glosses it over in his “all about the republic and the people rhetoric- a wolf in sheeps clothing-if you keep voting for the lesser of 2 evils, you’re still voting for evil- I with Glenn on this one

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    • ShyLow
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:39pm

      Newt would make good press secretary…surprised Obama hasn’t hired him

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  • kickagrandma
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:23pm

    We must pray for GOD HIMSELF to raise up HIS leader for AMERICA. As it is now, I see no one on the horizon. It is so good that GOD’s vision is much sharper than mine.

    I agree with Glenn on this round. Our Constitution IS what we have stood on for over 200 years. This is no time to abandon it. Not now. Not ever.

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    • Constitutional Cowboy
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:35pm

      “We must pray for GOD HIMSELF to raise up HIS leader for AMERICA.”

      What makes you think one is coming? More than ever, is it not clear that the ONLY one we can put our trust in is the Lord? Men are men. Men fail.

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  • Constitutional Cowboy
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:22pm

    Those who would scrifice liberty for security deserve neither!!!!!

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:26pm

      Yes, indeed — those who supported the antiPatriot act led to this indefinite detention bill: did you know that includes EVERY presidential candidate — EXCEPT Ron Paul?

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:30pm

      Oh yea, baby. The truth is blazing hot…

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:35pm

      I agree with you Paul-bots on one major point: Out of the current field Ron Paul is our only hope. Too bad he is a flaming nut that, like his followers, wouldn’t know reality of they were staring straight down both barrels. Because of this he has less of a chance of being elected POTUS than I do! So…It will be the next big government, progressive Republican…

      Thanks guys…

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    • escape_from_socialism
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:42pm

      Yeah brother. This West, was wishy-washy from the beginning.

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    • ShyLow
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:10pm

      He is in the n.a.a.c.p…just give him a kkk outfit and dye it black

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  • tb54701
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:21pm

    West and the others are so misguided on this issue to be dangerous. We have laws to prosecute these INDIVIDUALS!! Once “terrorism” becomes the new “war” it will be never ending, and people like West will continuing to justify the losing of our Freedom and Liberty… we truly are living in scary times….

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:31pm

      That would include Michelle Bachmann, who supported the unconstitutional Patriot Act, but poses as a Tea Party conservative.

      NOT!!!

      Ron Paul 2012.

      Abolish the TSA.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:09pm

      The truth is the American can people should have revolted after Ruby Ridge and Waco I was too political when it happened(young and dumb) but those two event were test that we failed miserably. And because we failed we‘re now seeing legislation being debated in the people’s house were by black bag brigades could sieze citizens indefinantly for nothing more than suspision.
      WAKE UP AMERICA

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  • TeaBill
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:20pm

    God help the U.S.A.

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    • ShyLow
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:53pm

      God will not help the U.S.A. until we get our military out of other nations,stop idolizing men,and stop giving sons and daughters to people of different back-grounds

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  • Micmac
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:18pm

    Well there goes the constitutional rights of every American citizen to due process. This is the most horrific bill yet. Step 2 in taking all our rights away. Patriot’s Act was 1st step. The sloppery slope has been engaged. West is now on my “do not like” list.
    Thank god that NoBama is against it. Wierd to say…I feel dirty.
    Any, and I say ANY politician that votes for this is not a constitutionalist and needs to be replaced NOW!! When all is said and done this site needs to post the voting by every politician.

    NoBama 2012
    REBOOT WASHINGTON (more than ever)

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    • diablamonkey
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:22pm

      the only reason Obummer is against it is cuz he thinks he doesn’t need the language, that he can do it on his own as our benevolent dictator-since when does the King believe in our constitutional rights?

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    • Micmac
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:32pm

      @ Diablamonkey

      I agree, but why make is illegal activities legal?

      NoBama 2012
      Reboot Washington

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    • Shane74
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:33pm

      TrollTrainer, what is it with morons like you who can’t see something for what it is?

      Any man, or woman, who would vote to allow our government the ability to detain us, indefinitely, without habeas corpus, is voting to override the bill of rights.

      That person, whoever they are, is a traitor.

      Your argument would seem to be the “don’t knock _______ for having committed some horrible crime. _______ has done so many good things.”

      Trolls…

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:38pm

      Hey Shane74,

      What is it with morons like you who cannot even respond to the right post let alone comprehend ANYTHING the person you are responding to said? Read it a little more slowly chief, maybe move your lips. You will get it eventually…

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  • COFemale
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:06pm

    I agree with Glenn on this one.

    If they are caught on U.S. soil and they are a U.S. citizen, they still obtain all the privileges as a U.S. citizen. If they are a U.S. citizen caught on foreign soil, such as France or Germany, then they are under that court system. If they are caught on foreign soil where we are in current conflict; Iraq and Afghanistan, then they fall under the military tribunal. If they are not a U.S. citizen and caught on our soil, they are subject to military tribunal, but it is not automatic; the intended target would have to be military in nature or conducted on a military post to fall under a military tribunal. Civilian targets fall under our court system.

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  • trolltrainer
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:05pm

    I deeply respect Allen West but must agree with Glenn on this one. West is also supportive of the Patriot Act, which I also disagree with. However, we must understand West’s background; he is a warrior. I understand his perspective and do not fault him. He is simply wrong.

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    • THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:14pm

      Warrior or not, HE IS WHATS WRONG WITH OUR COUNTRY, TRAITORS TO YOUR AND MY GOD GIVENFREEDOMS!

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:20pm

      That WEST for you — GOP groomed VP material — just part of the GOP war machine!

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:22pm

      Traitor? He has done more for this country than you ever will. As has Bachmann.

      Let me guess, you are a Ron Paul supporter…

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:23pm

      What is wrong with these Congressmen like Bachmann, Rubio and West? Don’t they recognize the Constitution crumbling when they see it? What has the GOP war-machine told them that they haven’t told the general public?

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:26pm

      Hmmmm, Truth shall set…from another thread:

      “@ fiesty
      Dear lady, ignorance on your part does not make it out fault, Why shoud we support “leaders” that wont fllow the oath of office? Following these leaders to the destruction of our country makes no sensecto anyone but the nwo elite. WE THE PEOPLE are tired of these unqualified canidates being forced on us! WE THE PEOPLE WILL NOT BEND OVER FOR THE SAKE OF YOU! WE THE PEOPLE WANT FREEDOM, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE! WE THE PROPLE WILL ELECT DR RON PAUL.”

      From:

      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ap-fact-check-plenty-to-question-in-gop-debate/
      ————————————————————————————————-

      Ayup, suspected as much. All you guys are more than a little nuts…

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    • recoveringneocon
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 5:35pm

      @trolltrainer
      warrior??? For what. Its not the Constitution. Is that not part of the 2 oaths he has taken. In this Country a warrior Defends the Constitution, Freedom and Liberty. West is a defender of Tyranny.

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  • CatB
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:03pm

    I believe West is wrong on this .. as he was on Pigford. I like him on a lot of things but this is downright unconstitutional.

    TEA!

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    • THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:11pm

      West is just as wrong as bachmann is on the patriot act…same vile creatures.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:18pm

      Agreed,this is definitely unconstitutional and if passed is another nail in the coffin,the window is closing on the republic.

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    • booger71
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:21pm

      I disagree with him too. too much power in the hand of a few to decide what is a terrorist act.

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    • ShyLow
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:22pm

      This bill is a terrorist act

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  • Chappy123
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 2:58pm

    Beck: Why, Sure I’d Consider Voting For a Third-Party Ron Paul, If Gingrich Is Our Nominee

    This comment from Beck is going around the web. WTF.

    Beck has som splainin to do.

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    • FreeSlave
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:10pm

      did you here that Glenn beck said that any one who supports Gingrich is a racist.

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    • THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:15pm

      Anyone that supports newt at this point is a complete moron!

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    • cemerius
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:26pm

      If he is nominated it is another 2008 decison “the less of two evils”……love how he is in the “lead” but NOT ONE vote has been cast!! Before we lose our minds to the idiot Main Stream Media lets wait till the vote process is conduucted!!!! I would vote for Donald Duck before Obama any day of the week!!

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:36pm

      FreeSlave, you‘re twisting Beck’s words. He said as far as policy, he sees no difference in Obama and Gingrich. That if someone chooses Gingrich, it must be because of race only — because there’s no other difference. BIG DIFFERENCE than your racist claim.

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