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See Laura Ingraham Referee a Religious-Freedom Face-Off Between a Prominent Pastor & an Atheist Leader

Pastor Robert Jeffrees & David Silverman Face Off Over Religious FreedomOn Monday night, Fox News facilitated yet another tussle between a prominent atheist and a well-known faith leader (there was also this uncomfortable encounter months back). In the latest spat, fill-in host Laura Ingraham (in for Bill O’Reilly) facilitated a spirited ideological and theological match between Pastor Robert Jeffress of First Baptist in Dallas, Texas, and David Silverman, president of American Atheists.

(Related: 44% of Americans Can‘t Name Obama’s Religion)

In the beginning of the segment, Ingraham discussed the startling new Gallup poll that found that 44 percent of Americans cannot name Obama’s religion. She also mentioned another poll from last week that found a willingness among more than half of the U.S. population (54 percent) to vote for an atheist candidate for the presidency.

“Has the role of religion in government in the highest office changed?,” Ingraham asked. Then, she launched the conversation by appealing to Silverman and asking him if he believes the poll showing support for an atheist candidate is a victory for his movement. The secularist leader responded by saying that we are now witnessing the “de-bigoting” of America.

After Ingraham and Silverman debated a bit over cultural norms and the secular values she believes are prevalent, the conversation turned to Jeffrees and his take on the president’s faith. While he believes that Obama is a Christian based on the president’s own words, the pastor highlighted many of the issues that make citizens question his faith — something that Silverman took issue with.

At one point, Silverman interrupted Jeffrees and Ingraham told him to let the faith leader finish, while also throwing in a dig (you can hear her saying “God bless you, David” as Jeffrees talks). Ironically, Jeffrees admitted that there are some instances in which he’d vote for an atheist over a Christian (i.e. pending the values the candidate holds). Silverman responded favorably to this notion, telling Jeffrees that he isn’t a bigot.

But the conversation went haywire when Ingraham and Jeffrees asserted that the federal government is attacking religious freedom. Naturally, the contraceptive mandate came up as evidence for this alleged governmental abuse — something that Silverman flatly disagreed with.

“Contraception? You’re actually saying that humans do not have the right to have contraception the way they see fit,” he proclaimed.

“It’s not just the HHS mandate,” Jeffrees countered.

“What is it? Tell me how there’s an attack again religion? Really, I want to know how I think there’s an attack…,” Silverman responded.

In the end, Silverman didn’t seem to believe that there is widespread angst over the mandate, despite a massive Catholic campaign and response called “Fortnight for Freedom.”

Watch the exchange, below:

(H/T: Mediaite)

Comments (80)

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  • sixtysix
    Posted on July 8, 2012 at 1:16pm

    A person who lobbies so hard for atheism is not an atheist. He or she is anti-Christ. There is a difference. True atheism does not care a hoot whether people believe in God or not. Why should they? They have always just laughed at faith. Suddenly, they have become militant. As for voting for an atheist, I suspect we have elected many of them. They just lied because they know most Americans understand that without God, our nation is doomed. It isn’t that they understand it, they just know it. Some of our founders did not believe in God in the traditional sense; but, they knew there is a God and they knew that He is necessary for success. If atheists win the ascendency, we will go the way of all other nations.

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  • blair152
    Posted on July 7, 2012 at 4:16pm

    Pretty soon, we’ll be extinct. There’s an asteroid with our name on it. Read 1985′s Footfall by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. It’s about aliens that look like small twin-trunked elephants invading Earth.
    Maybe it’s a comet. Read their 1977 science fiction novel Lucifer’s Hammer. Comet Shoemaker-Levy
    9 hit Jupiter. If it had hit Earth, as dramatized on the Discovery Channel back in 2007, it would have been
    disastrous.

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  • randellmd
    Posted on July 7, 2012 at 2:52pm

    Another atheist with his head in the ground full of denial. Denial= same thing as lying.

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  • smitty1007
    Posted on July 7, 2012 at 12:00pm

    January 10, 1963
    Current Communist Goals
    15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States. DONE
    16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. ONGOING
    19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack. OCCUPY
    20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions. DONE
    21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures. DONE
    24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press. DONE
    25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. DONE
    26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.” ONGOING
    27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.” ONGOING
    28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.” DONE

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  • granddad
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 9:08pm

    A great man Chuck Smith once said this and I totally agree…
    The finest leader is someone who is lead. The finest ruler is someone who is ruled. God chose Joshua for a leader to rule over the people of Israel because Joshua was ruled over by the Lord; the proper chain of command. No one is fit to rule who is not ruled. That’s the tragedy of history where we have had despots upon the throne. These autocratic, despotic rulers who did not feel a responsibility to anybody else, but became the final authority within themselves, they became tyrants. The people always suffer under the rule of such people. But those who have a consciousness of the fact that they are ruled, those who have submitted themselves to Gods throne, are able to reign upon their thrones. But you’ve got to have that chain of command. Jesus said, “If any man would be chief among you, let him be the servant of all” (Mark 10:44)

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:06pm

      Read this:
      http://start.umd.edu/start/publications/research_briefs/LaFree_Bersani_HotSpotsOfUSTerrorism.pdf

      The report, paid for by taxpayers–that’s We The People–ostensibly studied terrorist attacks in the United States from 1970 through 2008. If you are patriotic to America, Christian, pro-life, believe in national sovereignty, are reverent of individual liberty, you are a terrorist threat.

      The report claims that there have been 98,000 terrorist attacks worldwide since 1970 “committed by more than 2,000 terrorist organizations around the world.“ It defines terrorism as ”the threatened or actual use of illegal force by non-state actors, in order to attain a political, economic, religious or social goal, through fear, coercion or intimidation.” There is only one reference to Islam in the entire 37 page report. There is no mention of the 9/11 attack. There is no mention of how many of the global terrorist attacks were related to Islam. The report spends considerable time explaining that immigration (the assumption “illegal immigration” is not apparent) does not lead to increased crime or terrorism.

      Here’s your NEW MARXIST SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT using TAXPAYER MONEY to mark Americans.
      So much for our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, huh?

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  • YoshiFD3S
    Posted on June 27, 2012 at 2:04pm

    You can debate an atheist into believing into the undeniable irrefutable existence OF God if you know your stuff…but then what? What’s the point?

    Just because someone belives IN God, doesn’t mean much. Sure, it’s a step..but until a person decides wholeheartedly to have a relationship WITH God, then you really don’t have anything.

    Would I personally vote for a president that is a self-proclaimed atheist? No. Why? Because when I am working for someone, or when a person is in a significant position of leadership, I want to KNOW that they live their life according to a doctrine of morals and values based on universally-accepted concepts like honesty, integrity, responsibility, accountability, and every other biblical “fruit of the spirit” listed in Galations 5:22.

    Essentially, atheists don’t HAVE to hold themselves accountible to anyone but themselves. At the end of the day, they don’t have any particular “code of conduct” or moral foundations that actually HOLD them accountible for their actions. And their personally-defined interpretations of “right and wrong” can easily be changed or conformed….where-as God’s standards do NOT change.

    OBVIOUSLY, we know that “all men are human” and believers in faith make lots of mistakes too…HOWEVER…it’s my assertion that the potential for greed and corruption is LESS, than with an atheist…who I believe to be more succeptible to greed, corruption, and conformity.

    This is my personal opinion.

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    • TeaBagThemAll
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 3:38pm

      “You can debate an atheist into believing into the undeniable irrefutable existence OF God if you know your stuff”

      Too funny. I doubt from that starting point you’d win any converts. Especially since it’s not undeniable and irrefutable. If fact it’s very easy: There is no God. There is no proof there is a God. See?

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  • rogerfgay
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:21pm

    “Some of the founders had God in their hearts and may have seen their work as divine, but they understood that governments are not churches and politicians are not clergy. Our presidents have by and large been unaffiliated with specific religions or Protestants (except Kennedy, who in response to his membership in the Catholic Church, vowed publicly to serve faithfully in his presidential role). The choices tell us what the American people have consistently required from our political leaders; a world view that rejects the imposition of an hierarchical power structure upon our personal lives.”
    Source: http://www.libertarian-examiner.com/2012/04/santorum-supporters-should-switch-to.html

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  • USAUSAUSA2012
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:52pm

    All of you guys who are commenting on this story should watch the EPIC debate between Douglas Wilson and Christopher Hitchens. Lets just say Hitchens doesn‘t pass Professor Wilson’s 101 class. Pass it on.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU0Ue-Ki-mU

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    • totripoli
      Posted on June 27, 2012 at 7:21am

      Wilson seems like a kind enough guy, and I enjoyed his letter about Hitch’s death. Unfortunately, I completely disagree about who was teaching who :D

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  • ltb
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:38pm

    If you call yourself a Christian and would vote for someone who says your Savior is make-believe, you need to re-evaluate your faith.

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    • Fatheroftwo
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 2:32pm

      First of all, if someone calls Jesus make-believe, I would suggest that they do a little more research in history. There is more then enough empirical evidence to prove the existence of Jesus. As to whether or not someone believes in God, well, I would not vote for someone on their belief in a creator alone, there is much more to take into account then just that. A belief or non-belief in God does not make you a good or bad person, it is what you do, not what you say that make the difference!

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    • Amos37
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:01pm

      Dude, fatheroftwo… you are so biblically illiterate you need to pull your head out of where the sun don’t shine. yeah, let there be light. A FOOL SAYS IN THEIR HEART THERE IS NO GOD don’t be a fool.

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    • Fatheroftwo
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 6:44pm

      Amos37
      Show me in the Bible where I am wrong!! Having actually read the Bible Three times in the last Four years I think I might know a little bit about the life and times of Jesus of Nazareth. I fail to see what if anything your comment means other than “you’ve opened your mouth and removed all doubt”!

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  • Bolo2811
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:30pm

    @njbarfly………………

    You really shouldn’t have set yourself up by asking fo names of people with accreditation who believe in God………You want names? here ya’ go:

    Stephen C. Meyer…….Phd. Cambridge
    Fred Burnham
    CS Lewis
    Issac Newton
    Sir Fred Hoyle
    Allan Sandage (pupil of Edward Hubble)
    Antony Flew(converted FROM atheist TO Creationist)
    Your “commentary” on Ravi Zecharias is either quoted in ignorance or stupidity (forgive my crassness). That type of statement ONLY comes from the mouth of a person feeling threatened by the insulted individuals presented content and not by anything you have personally observed. Ravi is a VERY well respected individual in the order of CS Lewis among his peers. I will refer you to the “No true Scottsman” idea by the above mentioned Antony Flew.
    You may be a genuine atheist but please, drop the absurd notion that being a Christian excludes someone from being a “true scientist”. Again, I refer you to the “No true scottsman” fallacy.

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    • USAUSAUSA2012
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:50pm

      And the Fore Fathers and the Founding Fathers. The men who invented accreditation. Also, there are a bunch of Ph.D’s in the, Northwest of all places, who I have heard personal testimony of their involvement with their local Evangelical Church and are open about their love for Christ. It is a sleep giant that will demolish the contemporary post-modern bankrupt pedi-philosophies that are being indoctrinated in America’s youth. Preach it Bolo2811

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:52pm

      Yo BOLO:

      Thank you for your post… NJBARFLY is a stuck CD with his published junk, Atheists love to“lift up” THEMSELVES by putting down believers , quite stupid for someone so intellegent.

      God does not send anyone away empty, except those who are full of themselves.

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    • NJBarFly
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 2:05pm

      Sorry, but I never mentioned anywhere in my post that there are no scientists that believe in god. As a matter of fact, the majority of scientists, including physicists and biologists, are believers in god. Instead of making things up, you should really read what I wrote. What I can and will say, is that none of them are young Earth creationists. There are no young Earth creationist “theories” published in any peer reviewed scientific journal.

      Ravi Zecharias is not a scientist. As I stated, he is just another young Earth creationist. I didn’t say anything else about the man, nor do I believe I disparaged him in any devastating way. The man I did disparage was Hugh Ross, who NOBODY takes seriously, be it scientist or creationist.

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    • NJBarFly
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 2:23pm

      4Truth –
      Yes, when someone claims to be a great scientist, I ask for some sort of evidence. I look at their theories and request a peer viewed journal article or two to back their theories up. This is a normal request for any legitimate scientific theory. This is how science works. I’m sorry if asking for a shred of evidence of these supposed scientific theories, which you obviously can’t produce, makes me sound like a broken CD.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:14pm

      Yo Barfly:

      I made no attempt to produce it, nor am I. Your attempt is disingenuious, and you should know why. Further I am not playing the game by “your” rules.

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    • USAUSAUSA2012
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 7:07pm

      NJBARFLY> http://www.answersingenesis.org/ … Check it out. These guys are the best at proving and affirming the youth earth Truth. Hopefully you’ll find something that will challenge you. Blessings.

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  • 70mach
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:35pm

    If one was actually an intelligent person and wanted to make an intelligent decision they would Actually read the entire book before making thier decision. I”ve read the Bible and studied the big bang (Theory) And personally believe the BB theory is Proof of a Creationist!! (GOD) And this is my oppinion and anyones response being Negative is Mute !!! :)

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:14pm

      Of course God CREATED THE BIG BANG THEORY! Duh, so I agree with your comments.
      As a HUMAN, try JUST PRODUCING A LEMON OUT OF THIN AIR. Go ahead, I dare you!

      So, GOD, THE divine Creator is THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN DO THIS, HAS DONE THIS, AND WHO CREATED THE HEAVENS AND EARTH. Man can’t do that out of thin air, yet he thinks he can.

      I can’t wait until Judgment when mankind stand before our Mighty Father and their heads are bowed IN SHAME AND IGNORANCE. Wow, what a site. IT WILL BE VERY, VERY SAD.

      But, alas, I WILL NOT BE THERE BECAUSE I WILL ALREADY BE WALKING WITH JESUS IN HEAVEN.

      So, for those of you who do not believe in God – GOOD LUCK because THAT IS ALL YOU WILL HAVE GOING FOR YOU because facts (that God doesn’t exist)., YOU DON’T HAVE.

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  • maviswilliam
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:32pm

    no sense in arguing with these fools,its been my experiance that most athiests are really just so self absorbed they cant see past themselves.thier rejection of god most times goes back to somthing thier doing knowing god says no.it s odd that people who keep saiing reason reason,have so little of it.and for the record ive seen devote loudmouth athiests born again seconds after the bullits start flying

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:16pm

      I don’t think atheists like the idea of someone great than themselves. IT’S ALL ABOUT PERSONAL CONTROL. So, remember, whenever you find someone who believe that GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE SOLE CONTROL OVER WE, THE PEOPLE, you have an atheist (s).

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  • bigbro
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:53am

    I can’t watch Laura, she is the worst at cutting people off. She talks to much. Ask a question and after 3 words in answer she buts in. Same on radio program.

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  • IAMIR
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:27am

    I see some other prominent names of clergy being thrown around. Now I will throw my own out there. This atheist couldn’t stand a chance against one of the brightest minds in the world today in a man named Ravi Zacharias. How about an Astrophysicist by the name of Hugh Ross? Both believers in the Risen Lord Jesus Christ. Both brilliant men in their fields of study.

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    • NJBarFly
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:46am

      “Both brilliant men in their fields of study”

      Ha! This is a joke, right? Hugh Ross isn’t taken seriously by either real scientists or fellow young Earth creationists. He has been criticized for not understanding even basic undergraduate thermodynamics. On the other end of the spectrum, creationists like Ken Ham think he’s a joke too. When Ham thinks that, that’s really saying something. He also believes that UFOs, flying saucers and aliens are demonic creations. I think you should set the bar for what you consider ‘brilliant’ just a teensy but higher.

      What makes Ravi Zacharias so brilliant? He is a run of the mill Christian apologist.

      Maybe you should give me some examples of real scientists who have actually had peer reviewed papers published.

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    • IAMIR
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 7:59pm

      Ross is an old Earther. So you are correct. “Fellow” Young Earthers wouldnt agree with him. *sigh* There’s 10 seconds of wasted rebutle I will never get back.

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    • NJBarFly
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:55pm

      Sorry I lumped him in with young Earth creationists. He’s an old Earth creationist. Irrelevant. His views are still not supported by anyone in the science community. He should have stuck with young Earth creationism. Although just as ridiculous from a scientific standpoint, at least he would get respect from somebody.

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    • IAMIR
      Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:55am

      Shocker isn’t it? I am willing to bet you know very little or nothing at all about Ross. I would challenge you to read some of his books, for if you had there would have been no mistake in knowing his views. You will find his views ARE backed up by science be it Big Bang or other “theories”. Don’t depend on atheist authors to give a fair opinion on Ross or Zacharias for that matter. They have and will continue to LIE for both men have challenged their Godless intellect. When they are confronted with absolutes they fear having to answer to a higher authority. This is when the big lie of no absolutes started. At this point they attack and often look to “ism’s” for ammunition. Soon the argument of an author to moral authority starts. Its a never ending cycle from creation to “ism’s” to moral authority. Good luck on your journey to hopefully seeking truth.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:41am

    One side cannot Prove that God exists… The other side cannot Prove that God does Not exist… yet, both faith in their Belief… resulting a Conflict between Religious Theologies!

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  • WTSpike
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:31am

    As opposed to much of what we read and see concerning atheists these days, this guy handled himself well, and was very respectful of others’ views.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:26am

    The militant atheist was obnoxious, big surprise.

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    • phillyatheist
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:35am

      the religious leader was a total d-bag.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:46am

      Typical name calling (bigots) and false accusations, and we are supposed to believe a lying person (false accuser) …?

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:05am

      Thanks for proving my point Philly.

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    • IAMIR
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:17am

      Hahahahahahaha…yep, the Philly intellect shines once again.

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  • rfycom
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:05am

    Reality!!! Those of us who do not allow religion or politics to brainwash us get a kick out of this stuff. No, I believe in God, but not all the crap we’ve create to support God. Funny Stuff.

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  • zorro
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:50am

    This was a good segment but the BEST segment last night was when she was talking to a Democratic hack. Laura said with all the goofy laws in our books, it’s actually a pretty good time to be a minority than any other time in history. The hack disagreed and said unemployment and poor education could not be any higher especially amongst black men. When Laura asked, “And whose fault is that? President Bush?” And the lady answered, “Yes. Absolutely.” She was not kidding.

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:26pm

      that segment cracked me up. that aru lady needs a mental health check up.

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  • Baddoggy
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:19am

    I dare that guy to sit through one of John Hagees sermons. I invited my atheist sister in law to his Church one Easter and she agreed to go “for giggles”. She left there converted and crying her eyes out. She was a California nutjob. Now she leads Bible studies…

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:18am

      Amen! Met John Hagee once. I’m wary of some of the company he used to keep (Rod Parsley here in Ohio) but I like John Hagee. He is one of probably 3 preachers on TV I don’t think is a phony.

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    • phillyatheist
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:35am

      really? Easter mass converted her? as one who has been to a great many Easter masses, call me skeptical. or at least call me skeptical that she was really an Atheist.

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    • Al J Zira
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:45am

      @phillyatheist: So if you‘re an atheist you couldn’t possibly be converted but if you‘re religious it’s possible to be converted to atheism?

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    • phillyatheist
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:01am

      AL – it tends to go like that. it’s possible for an Atheist to become religious, but it is less likely. there are hundreds if not thousands of Priests and Ministers who are closeted Atheists (clergyproject.org). thousands of regular Church goers give up their faith every week. every now and then an Atheist finds religion, but it’s not commonplace.

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    • SLOWBIDEN
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:06am

      @aljzira–Philly atheist is the King of D-bags. It‘s self absorbed and never admits when it’s wrong. Just best to ignore it and let it troll away.

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    • NJBarFly
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:14am

      Al – When people convert to an entirely new belief system, which completely contradicts their previous worldview, usually it takes a little longer than an hour or two. Beliefs are things that are developed over time after long periods of thought. Unless of course your beliefs really weren’t very deep in the first place.

      Being that this is anecdotal evidence from an anonymous poster on the internet with a clear agenda, I am highly skeptical of the the veracity of this story in its entirety.

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    • phillyatheist
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:19am

      NJ – well said. better said than me, at least.

      SLOW – bite me.

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    • davecorkery
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:17am

      So now she’s a religious nutjob. What’s your point? A charismatic speaker gives a great speech and she’s overcome by emotions. Let her read a transcript of the same speech and analyse it objectively. She might change her mind. But you did say she was a nutjob to begin with…

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  • facilitiesmgr
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:08am

    There is a statement that says “when you get into an arguement with a fool, pretty soon you can’t tell which one is which.”

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:24am

      There is a statement that say’s … “don’t address a fool according to his folly“ and ”address a fool according to his folly”.

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  • lqtm
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:07am

    Another narrow-minded believer repeating the same tired justifications for infringing on the rights of others. When will you morons learn that people who aren’t part of your religion are not going to take it lying down while you try to force it on them. If you’re so sure that people will go to hell if they break the rules in your bronze-age books, why bother passing laws? Just let them be damned. They don’t want your help. Plus you people are so stupid I mean come on. Burning bushes?

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    • Arphaxad
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:19am

      Thank you for demonstrating what an internet troll looks like.

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    • qpwillie
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:57am

      Yeah, it much easier to believe a massive, infinitely small point of energy brought itself about from nothingness in a space less timeless existence and exploded into a perfectly working universe with near infinite factors, all of which all work perfectly together. ..all by a happy accident.

      Yep, that makes much more sense than the old cause and effect principle.

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    • DoseofReality
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:05am

      QP- A perfectly working universe? You probably think the earth is perfect too – how do you account for 90%+ of all animals that have ever existed being extinct, earthquakes, tornados, ice ages, hurricanes, volcanos, disease, famine, cancer, and Justin Bieber. The earth and universe are very violent places….we have supernovas, colliding galaxies, asteroids, etc. If this is perfection, I guess god just did a sloppy job.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:29am

      Yo Dose:

      It’s called ……. the fall … works perfectly!

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    • suzannegentle
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:35am

      LQTM…… don’t feel pressured by Christians, we just want to introduce you to your God, its not us that forces conversion…… God will never force Himself on you ….. He will walk you arm and arm to the gate of bell if that is your choice…. it is the goodness of God that draws men to repentance ……

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    • DoseofReality
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:56am

      4Truth – but we can see billions of years into the past, through fossil records, hubbell, plate tectonics and all this stuff occured long before man came around. Just look at the craters on the moon, the universe is far from perfect….

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:10am

      @4TRUTH2ALL
      Are you one of those people who believe that animals didn’t eat each other before “the fall?”

      Man fundamental Christianity is so easy to pigeonhole.

      Everything good that happens in the universe = Due to God
      Everything bad that happens in the universe = Due to Man’s sin.

      I couldn’t pay my mortgage, so I prayed and then I got a refund check close to the amount that was due = God is good, God is love

      Massive amounts of children are killed by a Tsunami = God is mysterious, who are we to understand God’s will? This wouldn‘t have happened if man didn’t introduce sin into the world.

      Pure nonsense.

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    • DoseofReality
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:34am

      Moderation – its called counting the hits and ignoring the misses. Like when an earthquake hits killing 10,000 people…one kid will, through complete chance and luck, survive in the rubble for a few days and its called a miracle from god, yet they ignore the 10,000 other people that died. But then again God works in mysterious ways, so who are we to judge? This type or argument cant be reasoned with, becasue of course we cant prove it. I also cant prove that the planets are held in orbit by invisible flying fairies, but my reason, intellect and evidence proves otherwise.

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    • sickwiththis
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:46am

      Well, technically, since we’re discussing Christianity, Christ lived during the iron age, so writings about Christ would also necessarily be iron age writings, though some of the old testament would fall into the bronze age. Additionally, the metals used in weapons has little to do with the intelligence of writers during those times, the accuracy of what they wrote, or the importance of their insights. Laws are made to prevent crimes against humanity by other humans, who according to the Bible are still given free will to choose to sin. Laws are enforced. Faith is not, and few Christians attempt to force anyone to agree to their beliefs, though they may be sad when others do not believe, as they believe the consequences are eternal. I do enjoy the hypocrisy demonstrated by atheists labeling believers as narrow minded bigots while quite casually naming believers as morons for having a different set of beliefs from them. I might suggest you attempt to read the whole Bible before passing judgment on it.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:27pm

      Yo Mod:

      If you say so, I guess it’s so.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:33pm

      Yo Dose:

      Ignorance is not any part of it …you seem ignorant of that …

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    • Grubmeister
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:05pm

      @QPwillie – You throw out the phrase “infinitely small point of energy” as if it were a knock against the theory. It is not. Besides the fact that infinity only exists with respect to mathematics, the singularity might “appear” infinitely small compared to…what? If that’s all that exists, it is hard to find something to compare it to. Perhaps it could be compared to the size of the universe now. Think of it like a compressed, shrunken, dried sponge that later expands.
      Also, I do not believe anyone is speculating the singularity at some point spontaneously “popped” into existence. Most theories do not speculate beyond it’s existence and subsequent behavior. Maybe someday, with additional understanding we obtain from the LHC and other tools.
      Perfect? Define perfect. The only non-religous way I can see defining perfection is that a result satisfies in all ways an intent or objective. If physics are a natural process, there is no intent due to intelligence. If so, any existence or behavior that does not defy natural laws is perfect. Without supernatural intervention, the entire universe is perfect. The word becomes as meaningless in this context as saying all the children of Lake Wobegon are above average.

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:24pm

      @4TRUTH2ALL

      You didn’t refute it.

      Face it, that is how most fundamentalist Christians view the world, is it not?

      Good things come from God
      Bad things are due to man introducing sin to the world.

      There’s no other way to slice it.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:06pm

      Yo Mod:
      Scripture …..
      God works out all things to the good of those that love him.
      We will suffer trials and tribulations of various kinds.
      God punishes those He loves
      The wrath of God will be/is poured out on those who do not repent
      Those that do not repent will be served justice, those that repent receive forgivness and grace.
      God HATES sin
      God is over ALL things
      there you go …. what … do you think that I am ashamed of the gospel ?
      You only think you get … wish you did.

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 2:39am

      @4TRUTH2ALL

      If your God hates sin, why did he create it?

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 1:32pm

      Yo Mod:

      The world was created without sin.
      Sin is disobedience of God.
      Sin entered the world at this disobedience.
      ALL sin is against God.
      Sin is a choosing, a free will.
      God hates sin because it is against Him (God is good).
      God hates sin because He knows the destructive power of it (God is good).

      I will share something with you if to respond, as this story is off the main page.

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  • blackyb
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 7:55am

    Why does the pastor argue with a fool? The fool sayeth in his hear there is no God.

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  • Guerrino_P
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 7:51am

    The jew won this one.

     
  • Reason365
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 7:48am

    Atheist doesn’t understand faith in something greater than himself so he wouldnt understand the contraception issue from a religious point of view. He thinks that faith is in man and he makes his own morals. No point in an argument with hinm

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    • davecorkery
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:23am

      And their is no point arguing with true believers, since there are fewer and fewer of them everyday. Eventually there will be none. So why waste your breath. Faith is no reason.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:41pm

      They tried that in Russia and China to name a few, didn’t work .. in fact christianity has grown faster in China since

      In other words ….ain’t never going to happen, even when the entire world is against us … and it’s getting closer everyday … what you wish for will be your own undoing with the opposite outcome !

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    • Cavy2see
      Posted on July 8, 2012 at 9:45pm

      Faith is in your heart…and soul…atheists do not have this feeling or take the time to read the bible…so at least they would know what they are talking about…going to church is more than just reading…it is praying for others…helping others…and it is a struggle sometimes…but God helps us…to keep faith in our hearts…but I will not convince anyone who has a closed heart…I shall pray one day…the light will shine for them to be with us in church…but Jesus loves him or her even if the people do not care to do what is His way…the crosses we bear…are not a tough as the one He died on…for us…

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