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See Video From Inside the Japanese Nuke ‘Exclusion Zone’

The BBC has come out with video from inside the 12-mile evacuation zone surrounding Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. The British news organization got the footage from a local news crew in order to tell the stories of those “trapped inside the exclusion zone.”

According to the video, some doctors have refused the mandatory evacuation order, staying behind in order to fulfill their medical duties. One man even makes the shocking claim that government has abandoned the people inside, saying “They’re leaving us to die:”

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  • beaubird
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 4:03pm

    The radiation does play a big part on what has happened but it is the their govs. fault for lying to them and telling them all these years it was safe. they are terrified yu know. Our gov. lies to us just like that!!! If we were in their place I think I would feel like they do too! It is bad. I dont care where it is. Americans act like these people have no heart or compasion are they crazy. Their gov. has made them the way they are. They are like one big army and that is what we are going to be like if odummy is not out. They have got to stop making everything political over here. Do what is right!!!!!! Screw politics. They already had so much to deal with and then that on top of it all. Thats life the news says. Yeah till it is at our door and it is going to be one day and very soon!!!!!!!!!! Somebody needs to help these people!

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  • glennrocks
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 4:03pm

    Our Prez seems devoid of emotion, except when it comes to basketball.

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  • Salamander
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:47pm

    Is Romans a ‘BOT’ ? Maybe we need a ‘confirmation key’ when submitting a post?

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  • teddrunk
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:46pm

    ….mean while…back at the outhouse……things were piling up……..

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  • Bernard
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:42pm

    I do not understand why the Japanese are not using liquid nitrogen, an inert gas that when it is cooled well below zero turns into liquid. Is it because the nitrogen atom would react with other atoms to create something lethal?.
    If not then cooling those super hot uranium rods by using liquid nitrogen should do the job.

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  • bornbitter
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:38pm

    Looks like there are two options on this:
    1) Glenn, and several of the scientists are right, and the radiation danger is not nearly as bad as is being reported by the media. In which case, the Japanese Government is taking extreme precautions. If that is the case, medical aid and supplies going to these people is likely in short supply and infrastructure is stressed as it is… In which case, it is not too far to walk out for those who can, and those who can’t are better off where they are, in a hospital, than in some over-taxed shelter somewhere.

    2) The radiation danger is extremely high, much higher than the Japanese government has claimed. In which case, since infrastructure is stressed and supplies are limited and these people are likely doomed to die anyway due to their proximity to the plant, what is the point of sending supplies and people into a heavily radiated area to ‘help’ the walking dead? Also, if these people are already contaminated, adding them to stressed and over-packed shelters further out, or mixing them with the general populace, is only going to make matters worse. They need to be quarantined… which they currently are. Triage rule #1 – help those you can save first. #2 – Don’t waste resources. Yeah, you can say it’s heartless… but it saves the most lives.

    Take your pick from the alternatives or suggest your own. I just draw the line at criticizing people for deciding to not risk their lives. They know their situations better than I do, their big grown-up people, they can make their own decisions and don’t need the government to tell them what to do. Like the doctors who decided to stay in the hospital and care for the ill instead of fleeing; they made their choice, sure, ask for help, sure I’ll give compassion, but I will not say that they were ‘left to die’, if they chose to be there.

    I wonder if the report was entirely accurate, however. worse, or better, I don’t know, I just wonder what didn’t make it past the editors due to time constraints…

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    • Salamander
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:46pm

      Hey, Romans, it is really tacky (and against board rules) to post, repeatedly, the same material. You placed it once, it is interesting to read, but you needn’t plaster it all over the entire website. I‘m sure you’ll be banned if it continues, and then we’ll all be denied the opportunity to consider/benefit from your insight! Please think of the consequences–censorship is a terrible thing, but overwhelming the site with your wisdom is worse!

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 8:10pm

      @BORNBITTER
      ==> “In which case, it is not too far to walk out for those who can…”

      It stands to reason that if these patients could have walked out, they would have done so as soon as the govt. ordered the evacuation of the contaminated zone.

      ==> “Glenn, and several of the scientists are right, and the radiation danger is not nearly as bad as is being reported by the media.”

      Now they have been told to “stay indoors… close windows and make [buildings] airtight… [not] turn on ventilators… [and] hang laundry indoors. ” Sounds bad to me.

      ==> “…what is the point of sending supplies and people into a heavily radiated area to ‘help’ the walking dead?”

      Right. You go tell them to “DIE QUICKLY,” you heartless b*****d. For starters, why were these people left there when the radiation levels were not as high, but the threat was real? Second, who is to say they will die anyway? If there is a total meltdown, it won’t just be them or the Japanese who die, but that has not yet happened.

      Obamacare wants you…

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  • Nigel2
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:27pm

    Progressive infiltrators have reared their ugly head and will try to dumb down the board just as they do in society.

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  • Nigel2
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:20pm

    Is our humble Blaze board being overran by bored and confused liberals who do not have their own playground? How sad these people are incapable of producing on their own. Must be why they are so dependent on the public dole. And why the independent American frontier spirit seems such a foreign concept to them.

    Let the turf war begin!!

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  • MeteoricLimbo
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:12pm

    mercy, are we all going to die…….again

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    • NotaLemming
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 4:46pm

      Not me! I have 86 cats and a Tesla Mind Soul life extractor machine with bioplasmatic ionos mystifier. Just point and shoot, breath the mist and woot! your cat now has 8 lives and your now 1 up on extra lives. Best News! Everybody gets one of these!. Its on page 359,482,12 aticle;c of the new revised ObamaCare Health Nazification plan.

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  • kryptonite
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:11pm

    Correction: “…but since Glenn spoke recklessly on this matter and he won’t retract, most Blazers either stay out…”

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  • LadyIzShy
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:58pm

    it is sad they can not get out it would be nice for someone go in and get them.. its too bad the government lied to them..Governments lie.. look at our own

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:27pm

      The govt. should stop all the lying and get help to these citizens in need. It’s their d*mn duty.

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    • Salamander
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:40pm

      Governments don’t lie–it’s the people in government that lie!

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    • silentwatcher
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 5:03pm

      I spent a few years in Japan. Knowing their culture and the fact that they faithfully help one another,,,,I have a hard time believing they would leave people in the rubble to die. I just can’t see that.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:33pm

    If the BBC can get in and out of the city? Why can’t the non essential workers get out? Why can’t they get supplies in?

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    • Salamander
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:08pm

      Because BBC brought their own transportation, duh!

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:16pm

      Gonzo,
      Governments lie or tell half-truths. Judge by their actions, not their words. They won’t go in. Doesn’t that tell you something?

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    • bornbitter
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:21pm

      I don’t think it is due to the scarcity of fuel, we are talking about a matter of miles here, not hundreds of miles or even fifty, but less than 20 miles that they are recommended to move out from. What we are talking about here, is a simple overwhelming of infrastructure. The Government, is simply overwhelmed. Where are these people supposed to go? where is there infrastructure to handle them? (room, beds, food, water, medicine, medical help, space, etc…) How many people have already been evacuated? How many have already been shoehorned into area’s will little or any surviving structures?

      I don‘t think the government is ’leaving them to die‘ or ’ignoring them’, I think it is simply that there is a limited amount of ‘stuff’ to go around. Medical supplies, fuel, cars, rescuers, etc… If they are rushed out of that hospital, where would they be put? They may very well be better-off where they are. Unless this nuclear incident really goes bad, they aren’t really in much danger currently from radiation. It is the lack of infrastructure and supplies which are the real threat. Food, water, etc. The world rushed to Haiti, billions in aid and supplies… and corruption… and now when we have a serious world emergency in Japan, what… where are the celebrities, where is Hollywood, where are the doctors going over… I think the doctors are there, I think the compassion is there, I just don‘t think you’ll see it from the MSM. And that is the real shame.

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    • Salamander
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:26pm

      Government doesn’t function when it is overwhelmed. That’s why YOU need to be prepared! The situation is NOT as dire as it sounds. Things ARE IMPROVING! Their goverment is scrambling like hell! BBC can roam where they want! Those people are better off staying put than in exposing themselves to a patient transport effort! They’ll need water, food and energy, probably in that order. Latest post sounds like the reactors have stabilized. Still some serious issues with storage pools at two locations. Patch cable being run as we speak, maybe another 24 hours and computers, instrumentation, pumps and such can be brought to bear at the Dai-ichi facility. Then the chaos can stop, a methodical assessment made and a plan for cleanup, mothballing, etc. can be developed. There is still the far more massive effort for search and rescue throughout the damaged countryside, leaving this one errant power anomaly to its rightful, minor place in history and major place in securing the power needs of every nation on earth! This disaster is analogous to United 232 and Allen C. Haynes response to it — throw the book out and work with what you have! He stated afterward that he didn’t know if he should be applauded for saving 174 souls or castigated for killing 111. In reality he saved 174 and he is responsible for the 111–it comes with the territory! Thank God, we have people like him in command! And, thank God, this disaster happened in Japan, where it has probably been handled as well as could have been anywhere on Earth!

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    • Salamander
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:29pm

      Gonzo, my ‘duh’ wasn’t directed at you; but rather, a general comment on the futility of people’s expectation that their government will save them! When it happens, that’s great–and when it doesn’t, that’s life!

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    • Salamander
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:38pm

      Oh, yes–the doctors and medical staff should be applauded for staying with their charges–a truly heroic commitment to their patients, as the Dai-ichi plant workers have demonstrated super-heroics in carrying out their duties!!! Like the 911 firefighters, I‘m sure they never DREAMED they’d be called upon to consciously make the selfless decision to ‘give it all’ when the time came! Wow! A World of Super-Heros surrounds us! We are so fortunate to have them amongst us! Now, if we could just get the mobs on the other side of Earth, those that celebrate cold-blooded murder with candy, to join the human race, we’d all be better off!

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 4:43pm

      @Bornbitter: “I don‘t think the government is ’leaving them to die‘ or ’ignoring them’, I think it is simply that there is a limited amount of ‘stuff’ to go around. Medical supplies…”
      ——-
      Oh puh-leeze! Are you telling me that if the Japanese govt. made an urgent call for medical supplies, food and water for these patients, they would not come pouring in? No, friend, there is something else blocking aid to this hospital, and it ain’t shortage of medical supplies or being overwhelmed. It’s the radiation factor. I agree that evacuating them would be extremely difficult, but at least those who are not in critical condition should be helped out of there. That’s what we did after Katrina hit, even though the military had to deal with gangs shooting at the choppers as they airlifted the patients. This situation poses other challenges, but as the saying goes, where there‘s a will there’s a way.

      Let’s hope the govt. is finally able to cool down the reactors, and that these forsaken patients are not affected by long-term radiation exposure. And kudos to all the medical personnel who has bravely decided to stay on.

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    • bluesingincat
      Posted on March 18, 2011 at 2:34am

      Who can rescue them? News crews can get in, but its a different story to try and transport the sick and disabled. Many will need oxygen, medications, and equipment that is energy dependant. Where will they take them? They are in a remote area. How would they survive a long trip, perhaps on foot?
      It is tragic, awful and heart breaking. The nation of Japan has been ravaged.
      But no one has left them to die.
      The USA cannot get close enough to help, and in case anyone has forgotten, Japan is struggling to find those who may be buried alive, trying to establish routes to hospitals, and treat the thousands of injured. Japan has just lost at least 39,000 souls. The roads and bridges are gone or blocked by debris. 850,000 citizens are without electricity in sub freezing temperatures. The BBC didn’t get footage of those areas and people. I wonder why?
      I ask again, who can rescue them?
      It’s human nature to blame someone, or something, for tragedies we cannot run from. This is one of the greatest tragedies I have ever witnessed, and the people of Japan have been so stoic.
      We need to pray for them.

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  • DeadFred
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:30pm

    Some of you people commenting on this site are simply “coming apart”…..come on…..get yourself together!!!! What’s happening to everyone. I wouldn’t blame the Blaze for completely taking the comment section off of here. This is getting obnoxious

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  • SteveSD
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:27pm

    Let’s just erase everything and restart the thread :)

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  • Dandylyon
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:24pm

    Is there something wrong here?,none of the post’s seem to match the artical of a BBC crew checking on a hospital.

    Am I missing something,what rant,what crap WTHIGO.

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    • Stoic one
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:33pm

      yep sooty cast a lot of soot about with the cliff notes on war and peace after another article….
      wish it was simply linked to another page…i look @ all and read most

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  • Sooty3250
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:17pm

    Ummm may I say Crackpot?

    Factually inaccurate,
    Historically inaccurate

    (1) No Freemason recognizes women as a Freemason (Fraternity)
    (2) No religious requirement to be a Freemason
    (3) No, I am not a Freemason, nor advocating for or against.
    (4) I am Jesuit Trained, however NOT a Jesuit, Nor a Priest, Nor continue to follow the Roman Catholic Faith
    (5) WTF does this to do with the subject at hand (Japanese Nuke Exclusion Zone)
    (6) Attending a Roman Catholic School of learning does not a Roman Catholic Make
    (7) Claiming to BE a Roman Catholic, yet advocating Abortion,and failing to follow the strictures set forth by the Roman Catholic Holy See, is like claiming that Islam is a peace Loving Religion, while strapping bombs onto children and women for suicide detonation in mass crowds, – A Oxymoron

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    • Pattondog
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:25pm

      @ Sooty3250 : Factually accurate that you smell like ladies vinegar.

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    • BI-WINNING
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 4:19pm

      Well if you read between the lines it becomes painfully clear that Beware of Romans has been abused by one or more Catholic priest(s). He is probably gearing up for a shooting spree in which he will gun down a priest or 2 and probably some innocent (or guilty) bystanders.

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    • silentwatcher
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 4:54pm

      You can feel that way if you want, but do so on a cloudy day. That way, you can take your lunch with you when you pluck the leaves from a blueberry bush. After all, you can’t have a smoky fireplace when wearing cowboy boots. You must attach a parking ticket to a school book,,,,,but only after having placed a rock between two window panes. There,,,,does that clarify your Jesuit comments a little better??

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    • silentwatcher
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 5:05pm

      BTW,,,,,that last post was directed to Roman

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    • DaveOregon
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 6:55pm

      The Catholic Church Persecuted the Masons you moron. The Masons allow any all believers of a “Supreme Being” to join – I know, I’m one. Been to many lodges – guess what – there are Buddhists, Jews, Christians, Pentacostles, episcapalians, Hindus, and others all in the same Lodge!
      The Catholic’s have their own organizations – as for women, that’s Eastern Star for adult women and masonic men, and then there are the teenage groups for the girls and boys. ALL are based on providing charity and other “good works” in the community. Shriners are Masons – got anything derogatory to say about the Shriners Hospital??? They provide care – free-to anyone who can’t afford it – devoid of race, creed, religious belief, etc.

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  • Naram-Sin
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:11pm

    What does this have to do with the price of radio-active rice in Japan? You must have the wrong web site. The fact that you don‘t know what the actual topic is doesn’t give one confidence in you anti-Jesuit research.

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  • chirodoc007
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:08pm

    I read it and it sounds like a crazy, conspiracy laden rant. Back it up, I don’t have all day to track down all of your quotes and without references you could be making the whole thing up.

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    • Showtime
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:35pm

      I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone. What is the problem?

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:08pm

      Showtime, Beware of Romans has been cutting and pasting a long rant about Jesuits taking over the world all day. The Blaze is deleting them but, the comments on his rant remain.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:32pm

      Show
      think it was the Beware of Romans rant that was removed

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    • AzDebi
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 4:42pm

      @Showtime:
      “I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone. What is the problem?”
      ____________
      Don’t feel alone…I too felt like I had slipped into a worm hole!!! I ran across the “rant” earlier on another post…but didn’t know he was at it everywhere! What an idiot! Thanks for the explanation GONZO!

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  • dlmcilvain
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:07pm

    looks more like conspiracy stuff, Beware of Romans,,,,

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  • Creestof
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:05pm

    I thought we were too “beware of Greeks”…that is, unless we could keep our backs to a wall.

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  • nacilbuper
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:02pm

    Friends, ……. , Country Men.

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  • Psychosis
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:00pm

    reported for being stupid stop posting this cr@p everywhere

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  • Psychosis
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:00pm

    stop posting that cr@p here getting really tired of your incessant cut and paste

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    • broker0101
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:09pm

      Obviously these Japanese “victims” have been bamboozled by the American Mainstream Media that there is actual, grave danger near these stricken reactors.

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    • ProgressiveLiberalMarine
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:10pm

      At least we agree on that.

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    • Showtime
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:27pm

      Y‘all must be seeing something I’m not.

      The video shows a sad situation resulting from an already heartbreaking string of events.

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    • Stoic one
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:28pm

      @ broker …wow.
      we agree on facts…

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    • Stoic one
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:35pm

      @ showtime

      the pics are sad yes; they are stranded yes.
      is that because of the nuclear situation? NO.

      yet that is what the speaker is implying.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:09pm

      This is heartbreaking situation: hospitalized citizens who were not evacuated and are left in the contaminated zone to die, because nobody wants to venture in. No medical supplies, no food.

      This is a terrible human tragedy, but since Glenn spoke recklessly on this matter and he won’t retract, and thus most Blazers either stay out of the discussion or make insensitive remarks. Many were moved by the story of the two dogs — so was I, but where is the show of sympathy for these poor people?

      This lack of empathy from the conservative side is largely on Glenn. He knows that his sphere of influence is huge, so he should watch what he says. He should stop behaving like Obama, and at least admit that there is a serious radiation problem. Otherwise, why are these sick, helpless folks being abandoned to their fate?

       
    • kryptonite
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:12pm

      Correction: “but since Glenn spoke recklessly on this matter and he won’t retract, most Blazers either stay out…”

       
    • Chrono_Sleuth
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:28pm

      @Psychosis

      What video have you been watching? These people are obviously in terrible trouble. Look at things this way. They have limited water, limited food supplies, houses with no doubt mold. Then there is the nuclear problem, which whatever you believe, is a problem. Even if the radiation should leak out in small increments, over time it builds up and builds up. Cesium gets into the water sources and from there is causes havoc. It gets into plants, into your body, and because it is a heavy compound it is absorbed and just builds up. Now, if the amount is just small, no problem, but if radiation keeps pouring out the amount that will build up in their systems, on the clothes they wear, in the air they breath, and likely in the grass and water systems leading to farms that down the road in a year or two, after they clean and rebuild most of this, will have increased their levels of radiation and only further add to the amount already in their system.

      Remember, save radioactive Iodine, which has a short half-life, but is still extremely dangerous in the short term (and we don’t even know if these people have been given iodine pills to help alleviate that affect), all other fallout has a much longer half-life and lasts much longer in the system and is significantly harder to flush. Just do a little research.

      @Kryptonite

      I understand your position, but again, you missed Glenn’s point. I will grant you that he is downplaying the severity of the problem, at least for those in the immediate area around the reactor, at least within 20 miles, however I think for him the news is covering most of that quite well while he has only so much time to cover what he wants to. There are more problems than just this, and he hasn‘t stated it isn’t a problem, nor that it isn’t serious, only that the media is overblowing coverage by focusing on only one detail (not mentioning whether it is minor or significant, and you and I both know it is significant). His radio show has covered a bit more of the seriousness of the radiation, but that’s never been his focus. He has always been about discussing the coming problems with world governments and how all of these things are interconnected. If you really wanted proper coverage on Japan’s nuclear problems, going to Glenn was always the wrong idea.

      Have you ever been able to say everything you wanted to in a day, an hour, a week?

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    • Koolaiders
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:29pm

      @BROKER0101

      How blind and cynical you are. Shame on you.

      You obviously didnt see the reading on the Geiger counter in that video. IT WASNT ZERO!!

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    • Dale
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:30pm

      Broker; How do I contact you?

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    • Koolaiders
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:31pm

      @STOIC ONE

      Look at the geiger counter in this video. It shows HIGH levels of background radiation, even indoors.

      Its real!!!

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    • J.C. McGlynn
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:45pm

      I‘d guess that what I’ve seen on tv from Glenn Beck is nothing but crocildile tears. He had nothing to do with the lack of response from the JN government. He has said more about Japan than our own president. I’d , also, gather from some comments here that no one learned a damn thing from Katrina. I’d say some here are going to say moving supplies over shifted, debris covered roads is simple.

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    • AzDebi
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 3:53pm

      @kryptonite:
      “This is heartbreaking situation: hospitalized citizens who were not evacuated and are left in the contaminated zone to die, because nobody wants to venture in. No medical supplies, no food.

      This is a terrible human tragedy, but since Glenn spoke recklessly on this matter and he won’t retract, and thus most Blazers either stay out of the discussion or make insensitive remarks. Many were moved by the story of the two dogs — so was I, but where is the show of sympathy for these poor people? ”
      _________________-
      I’m in total agreement with you KRYPTO! My first question would be, “Where are the Japanese people OUTSIDE of the areas that were devastated?“ Are they not ”permitted” to drive in their country to this area? I would like to believe that I would be part of a group who would insist on helping them…in fact, I KNOW that I would be…what good is life if your life has no purpose? AND what BETTER purpose could there possibly be in that country RIGHT NOW than to help these poor souls? I afraid I would be unable to take even a bite of my own food knowing that my countrymen were starving AND also facing a “devil” in the form of a “cloud” that they cannot even see! Shameful! It HAS BEEN nearly a week!

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    • AzDebi
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 4:30pm

      I have barely scratched the surface on information about the short and long term effects of the Chernobyl accident…however, for those of you who REALLY want to know the TRUTH…the following links should be enlightening…there is a lot of info to read and I spent into the wee hours of this morning …AND…barely touched the surface…but, what I have learned is that it would appear that after the initial explosion, the effects dwindled down considerably…what seemed to jump out at me in most of these studies was the fact that the people who were forced or chose to relocate suffered in so many ways that many have never regained a handle on their lives even though they may not have suffered any physical effects (to date) themselves…it is pretty complicated since the Soviet Union itself was so corrupt and eventually fell so the people suffered…Being poor also leads to a loss of good health overall and invites illnesses as well…it does make studying it very multifaceted and makes definitive answers hard to determine…

      And, I have not determined the “prejudices” that might be involved in these studies…are they anti-nuclear or not? I don’t know…I’m just searching for my own position in all of this…

      BUT…if what I have read so far is any indication…there may be no excuse for abandoning these people and the Japanese people and/or their government need to get off their “collective” ass*s and get help to these people NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      ANNEX J
      Exposures and effects of the Chernobyl accident
      http://www.unscear.org/docs/reports/2000/Volume%20II_Effects/AnnexJ_pages%20451-566.pdf

      The Chernobyl Project
      http://www-ns.iaea.org/projects/chernobyl.asp

      The Human Consequences of the Chernobyl (15 years later) Report 2002
      http://www.reliefweb.int/library/documents/2002/undp_rus_25jan.pdf

      HEALTH EFFECTS OF THE CHERNOBYL ACCIDENT:
      RESULTS OF 15-YEAR FOLLOW-UP STUDIES
      Kiev (Ukraine), 4 to 8 June 2001
      http://www.reliefweb.int/OCHA_OL/programs/response/cherno/conference/concl.html

      Exposures and effects of the Chernobyl accident
      http://www.unscear.org/docs/reports/2000/Volume%20II_Effects/AnnexJ_pages%20451-566.pdf

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    • GONESURFING
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 4:44pm

      You and some others here may be heartless and clueless, but this is a heartbreaking story, the extent of which we probably won’t know for some time. The Japanese people are showing the world a model of great courage and dignified conduct in the face of grave dangers. This story in unfolding before us and the outcome is far from certain, and I really hope they can get this nuclear disaster under control. Only time will tell. PRAY.

      But, lets not forget about the horrible tragedies that have already happened, earthquake, tsunami and total destruction of some costal areas, with those that survived dealing with lack of food and water, and dealing now with snow and freezing temperatures. KEEP PRAYING.

      On a positive note: I have friends all over Japan, but was especially worried about some friends in Kamaishi, which was totally wiped out in the tsunami. Got word that their family and friends are OK, alive at least. He had a surf shop by the ocean, which is probably gone. These people have gone through so much and now this nuke problem. KEEP ON PRAYING AND HELP IF YOU CAN.

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    • silentwatcher
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 4:44pm

      I think the most immediate danger is conditions for survival from the flood. It doesn’t take long for deadly disease to set in from something like that.

      Lets hope Japan’s FEMA is better than our FEMA.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 5:18pm

      @Chrono_Sleuth
      You are mostly right about his job, but that is precisely why Glenn should have stayed out of this, at least initially. I hope at some point he corrects some of what he said. Glenn is a hero for his selfless dedication to restoring our Constitutional Republic, but like Jesus said, “Everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required.”

      Come on, man, I love the guy, but I don’t “go to Glenn” or any other single source for news!

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    • Chrono_Sleuth
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 5:37pm

      @Kryptonite

      Ha, alright, just making sure.

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    • AzDebi
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 5:41pm

      @GONESURFING:
      “You and some others here may be heartless and clueless, but this is a heartbreaking story…”
      _________________
      Your statement wasn’t aimed at me was it SURF?

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 5:47pm

      J.C. McGlynn: ” I’d , also, gather from some comments here that no one learned a damn thing from Katrina. I’d say some here are going to say moving supplies over shifted, debris covered roads is simple.”
      —
      Like I said in my reply to BORNBITTER a@3:21pm, that’s what choppers are for. Those who were not in critical condition should have been evacuated by now. What right do we humans have to think, like that reptile who posts here, that those who are sick or injured are expendable?

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    • AzDebi
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 6:06pm

      @kryptonite:
      “What right do we humans have to think, like that reptile who posts here, that those who are sick or injured are expendable?”
      _____________-
      Dam right! They ARE NOT!

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    • nosycophant
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 6:43pm

      Don’t panic its organic! no problem.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 7:22pm

      AZDEBI: “…but, what I have learned is that it would appear that after the initial explosion, the effects dwindled down considerably…
      ——-

      Debi, we can learn a lot from Japan’s nuclear leaks. Have the govt. reports been consistent from the start? All we know is that the radiation levels have increased, and they won’t go back for those who were unable to leave the contamination zone.

      I’m not sure what you mean by “the effects dwindled considerably.” For example, the following scientific site states that:

      ==> “[o]f the cocktail of radionuclides that were released, the fission products iodine-131, caesium-134 and caesium-137 have the most radiological significance. Iodine-131 with its short radioactive half-life2 of eight days had great radiological impact in the short term because of its doses to the thyroid. Caesium-134 (half-life of 2 years) and caesium-137 (half-life of 30 years) have the greater radiological impacts in the medium and long terms. Relatively small amounts of caesium-134 now remain, but for the first two decades after 1986, it was an important contributor to doses.”

      One of the problems I see is that scientists do not agree on the amount of said radionucides released into the environment after the explosion. In any case, I’d like the Chernobyl deniers to explain why

      ==> “many countries, restriction orders remain in place on the production, transportation and consumption of food still contaminated by Chernobyl fallout.
      • In the United Kingdom restrictions remain in place on 374 farms covering 750 km2 and 200,000 sheep.
      • In parts of Sweden and Finland, as regards stock animals, including reindeer, in natural and near-natural environments.
      • In certain regions of Germany, Austria, Italy, Sweden, Finland, Lithuania and Poland wild game (including boar and deer), wild mushrooms, berries and carnivore fish from lakes reach levels of several thousand Bq per kg of caesium-137.
      • In Germany, caesium-137 levels in wild boar muscle reached 40,000 Bq/kg. The average level is 6,800 Bq/kg, more than ten times the EU limit of 600 Bq/kg.
      The European Commission does not expect any change soon. It has stated:
      “The restrictions on certain foodstuffs from certain Member States must therefore
      continue to be maintained for many years to come.”
      http://www.chernobyl-children.org.uk/ccp/news/THE%20OTHER%20REPORT%20ON%20CHERNOBYL%20Summary.doc

      It’s harder to cover up facts where animals are concerned, and they give us a clue as to the severity of the fallout. True, some of the Chernobyl victims were treated for radiation exposure, but as you know, they can’t get rid of caesium.

      P.S. I hope you read my comment before it is deleted. ;)

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    • Uncle Crusty
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 10:03pm

      This is an outrage! The Japanese govt should be getting these people out of there pronto? See govt is the preoblem, ‘ol Ronald Reagan was right, yet again!

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    • Uncle Crusty
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 10:08pm

      I’d like to to add, we all should say a prayer for these people, and all of the people of Japan.

      Dear Lord, please build a wall of safety around the peoples of Japan, may you have mercy on their souls.

      Amen.

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    • GONESURFING
      Posted on March 18, 2011 at 12:20am

      AZDEBI, just got back home and reread your posts, and no I wasn’t talking about you. Always enjoy your very informative posts. Thank you and keep up the good work.

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    • TexasCommonSense
      Posted on March 18, 2011 at 11:24am

      One man even makes the shocking claim that government has abandoned the people inside, saying “They’re leaving us to die:”

      NEVER rely on the government. Rely on yourself.

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  • quarter horseman
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 1:59pm

    ??? W.T.F. Beware of Romans!

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  • Freedom-or-Death
    Posted on March 17, 2011 at 1:57pm

    Too long…nobody will read this.

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