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Sen. Bernie Sanders: Get Rid of All Private Insurance Companies
- Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:13pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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Bernie Sanders, the “independent” but self-described socialist senator from Vermont, told MSNBC yesterday he has a novel idea for reforming health care — get rid of all the private health insurance companies:
“I hope to be able to get waivers from Congress and the White House to allow us to do so. At the end of the day, if you are going to provide health care to all of our people in a cost effective way, you have to get rid of the health insurance companies, not profiteering and bureaucracy,” he said.
Sanders prefers a universal health care system in America.
In other news today, evil capitalism has given us the “skin gun,” which rejuvenates burned skin in days.
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Comments (232)
beekeeper
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:33pmThe issue is pricing, not profits. Simplify pricing (single price for each procedure, no matter who pays) – why should a person paying with cash pay several times more than my insurance company would pay for the same procedure?
Report Post »themanflounders
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:15pmYour premise is incorrect. This issue is indeed pricing, as well, but profits are a problem along with the inefficiency of the private insurance companies to provide healthcare. They collectively spend billions of dollars on advertising, law suits, and lawyers to find ways to deny claims to patients. All of this waste would be eliminated if private insurance was also eliminated.
The reason we want to get rid of profits in healthcare is because we think runaway profits that depend necessarily on denying people coverage is intrinsically unethical and immoral. We as U.S. citizens also think that having fire stations be privatized is unethical as well, because the idea of letting someone‘s house burn to the ground because they didn’t by fire insurance is unethical, and additionally, it’s a public safety hazard. That’s why all fire departments are government run. So if you are going to argue with this, you have to answer the question: is it ethical for a company who offers to healthcare product or service to make millions in profits when it has an intrinsic conflict of interest in denying services? Second, why isn’t the fire department privatized?
Also to your point about pricing. You are indeed right that hospital unethically charge the uninsured more (another reason we need to make the uninsured into the insured), but this discrepancy only applies to the uninsured and has nothing to do with the outrageous prices of insurance plans that the insured must pay.
Report Post »themanflounders
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:41pmApology for the typos.
Report Post »designbyinspiration
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 6:49pmThemanflounders: In my experience, you are wrong on the cost issue. I’ve been on my own in business since just after 9/11. I’ve had no insurance for years. I went in for some in-office surgeries, and it cost MUCH less than if I had insurance. I now only have critical coverage, as the costs are nothing compared to full, and the savings each month pay for the insurance and a few needed visits each year.
With ObamaCare, you cannot ‘opt out’ – unless you are a personal buddy of BO – and the costs are much more, and you cannot personally pay for any procedure not already covered by the O.C. YOU are out of the picture. YOU have no capacity to strive for more care, YOU have little to no say in what your care consists of.
As for your comments on the Fire Department – and I respect the people of the fire department for the life saving sacrifice they do. They have been fighting fires by pretty much the same method since water was invented. Yes they have some development going on, but not at all required like the medical industry. They can be Unionized, they can be slow to develop technologies, as the fire is not evolving, just the environment they fight in. And those environments are almost ALWAYS suited for humans. So until fire evolves into another something new, they can be a methodical, as needed State service.
Report Post »Cheers
themanflounders
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 9:40pmThank you for your reply. Small, outpatient surgeries can be cheaper without insurance, but if you are every unfortunately in a hospital, you are going to be charged a different price than people with insurance plans. That all said, this is very hospital-based and is a digression from the original point.
I don’t think you have a right to “opt out” in a universal system. I understand that you completely disagree with this form of healthcare as you see it as an infringement of your personal liberties, etc. I think healthcare is a right. I am a physician and I see the day to day consequences of patients not being able to afford care. I think the healthy should be made to subsidize the sick as a part of a national community, and the only way to do this is to force people into a system via tax dollars or to force people to enter the free market as has been the plan of the current “Obamacare”. I think the idea of someone “keeping their own money” with regard to withholding healthcare from our fellow citizens as selfish. I think that the tax burden should be carried by the incredibly wealthy as well as the middle class as well. I think we are too advanced to have a country where children are denied medications because they are poor, and it happens every single day. People die of poverty, and we are better than that.
All that said, though, the system we have is a *terrible* system. We have an incredibly high infant death rate for a first world country and our healthcare access is pathetic.
As far as the fire department allegory, I understand that they are different in technology, but the philosophy remains the same. We as a society decided that it was a public responsibility to put out fires. Some of us believe it’s a public responsibility to cure disease. No matter how you cut it, the *only* way you can defend the U.S. healthcare system is with an argument routed in selfishness: the wealthy deserve better healthcare than the poor because they can pay for it. You certainly can’t be defending our system due to its efficiency. We are better than this system.
Report Post »themanflounders
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 10:00pmAnd I might add that before I went to medical school I was a paramedic. I worked for a private company that serviced primary 911 calls for the country outside of a major metropolitan area as well as “secondary” calls within the city. The private company had the contract for the city years before, but they lost the contract because they were too inefficient and too much of their money was going towards administration, overhead, and profit. It was costing the citizens of the city too much and the city cancelled the contract after years of inefficiency and denial of care to patients who couldn’t afford care. The contract then went to the fire department who now runs all the primary 911 calls within the city. “Primary 911” for the lay people out there means that you are the first people called whenever someone has a heart attack or any other life-threatening emergency within your jurisdiction.
The point is that at this local level the government provided cheaper and better care than the private company for which I worked. The private company was *constantly* talking about profit and how we could increase our margins. Constantly. The company sued a 70 year old woman for not paying her transport bill (for a heart attack) and ended up repossessing her car. This is a major U.S. ambulance company, btw. A government entity, the fire department, can run at a loss. Granted, it *needs* to be funded by the the community, especially by the wealthy who can afford it, but they have a tax base with which to balance the register. Yes, I understand most of you disagree with that, but it results in better patient care, and a better society.
Report Post »HairRazor
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:31pmeverybody else has uni health care..? maybe that’s why we have the best health care system in the world. Oh cuba.. sorry MM Vermont, vt, what has happened to you? to elect one like bern.. ya’ll got some sick pups.
Report Post »themanflounders
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:30pmWhat do you base that statement on? By what metrics do you decide that we have the best healthcare system in the world?
Report Post »aLinedog
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:30pmThe media already has. Kind of amusing, in an ironic and twisted way. These ‘educated elites’ are too dumb to see their destiny if they link their stars to socialism or any other form of State Control. I suppose if you have no conscience then it works out for you.
Report Post »State Media always gets well taken care of by the Party provided they play ball. Then one of their children develops radical ideas of self-determination and justice. The young person vanishes because their propogandist parent can’t protect them from the State. And then.. said parent realizes the cost of sleeping with the enemy.
Wake up, Big Four -the alarm clock is ringing!
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Quad-rip-legic
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:30pmWe can no longer blame these ruling class people for what they do, it is time to start blaming those that put them and keep them in office.
Report Post »jakartaman
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:42pmI like the concept that we give the Liberal moonbats all the states on the east coast (excluding Florida and the Carolina’s and the whole west cost. – They will be autonomous and have to support themselves and have their nanny socialist government – no military and their own constitution/rules – no religions – no guns allowed etc.
Report Post »The rest of America will keep the constitution, military, guns and religion. – There cannot be any foreign aid to the newly established – Socialist Union Comrade Kumbaya (S.U.C.K.)
Untameable-kate
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:28pmI’m sick of the pre existing conditions arguement. That one of the things that most people agree on. Surely we don’t need a bill a foot thick to say that.
The arguement that if some one gets hit by a truck costs us all to pay his bills, isn’t that what Automotive insurance is for?
A bureaucrat calling for the end of bureaucracy in the HC industry is funny. I wonder how many people would lose their jobs.
Report Post »themanflounders
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:29pmIf you get rid of pre-existing condition nullification of contracts, where then does the money come from to pay for these conditions if not from tax dollars (single payer), mandated health coverage, or increased insurance rates?
You’ve been tamed.
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:52pmWrong. I don’t think anyone should turned down for a pre-existing condition when they are starting coverage any more then someone should be kicked off their ins plan if they get sick or hurt. The insurance companies collect premiums from everyone to cover the expenses of the sick and wounded just like car insurance companies collect premiums from people who have never had an accident. To say only healthy people should be allowed to enroll in ins coverage is the greatest money making machine in the world.
Report Post »themanflounders
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:14pmI completely agree with everything you just said. But my question is: how do you pay for it? If you don’t require healthy people to buy insurance and they can just buy it just before they get sick, you’re not going to change the current situation. The current situation is one where young people don‘t see the necessity to buy extremely expensive insurance they don’t think they’re going to use. So the only people paying into the system are the sick people, and that’s not enough money unless you sky-rocket insurance premiums. So, like I said before, you have to either make healthy people buy insurance (like car insurance) or you have to provide government subsidies with taxpayer money. All of these ideas were ideas the liberals have been proposing for years, but conservatives refuse to have a public option or an individual mandate, and then they point to the necessary rise in premiums as a reason healthcare reform is a failure. Not only is this a self-fulfilling argument, it creates a financial situation that makes your above situation of things that are all good and fair, which we agree on, impossible.
Report Post »beekeeper
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:28pmWell, if they can’t make you buy coverage on your own, they‘ll just bundle it in with all the other Gov’t services… Sorry, make that ‘services’
I have a very simple counter-proposal:
Service providers should have only one price list for all services performed, no discounts for everyone but the poor slob paying for service out-of-pocket.
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:02pmI hate to be arguementive here but whenever I go to the doctor I always get a discount because I pay out of pocket. The bill is always much higher until they find out I am self pay.
Report Post »REVENANT
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:26pmWe ned to get rid of all traces of Communism. Vote on that Bernie.
Report Post »auburntaylors96
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:25pmi don‘t know how much more of them ’being clear’ our country can take. has anyone noticed this guy, a self proclaimed socialist, is having his voice heard more these days…cockroaches used to hide in the dark.
Report Post »GeauxAlready
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:25pm.
Report Post »If, I said “IF” we get taken over by the muslims. Can I throw the first rock at his Stoning?
Untameable-kate
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:41pm“Let he who has never si….” wait , did you say Muslm? Never mind let em fly!
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:24pmLet us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this …, if its purpose be not to force us to submission?
There is no retreat but in submission and slavery!
What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
PATRICK HENRY
From;
Speech made in the House of Burgesses on March 23, 1775, in Saint John’s Church in Richmond, Virginia.
Report Post »mjcolo
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:24pmIs this so called representative for real? Come on Vermont you can do better! He wants the government to put insurance companies out of business? You have to be kidding.
Report Post »mcpbob
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:23pmGET RID OF all communists from our goverment
Report Post »pma_guy
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:22pmwho keeps voting this guy in office? I think all the conservatives should move to Vermont and flush the toilet…down the drain goes bernie
Report Post »BlueCollared
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:22pmSomeone should tell him, he‘s right we’re not like other nations, we’re number one. We became that way through free markets. Not big gov.
Report Post »Sandy
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:22pmWhen will these Socialist put their own MONEY to work? Spread your wealth Bernie before you touch mine. Put your actions where your wallet and mouth are. When your done, then you can pass laws telling me what I must do. Until then, stay out of my wallet.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:41pmThe way they view the world, our money IS their money. So when they steal from you and give it to somebody else, they’re “putting THEIR money where their mouth is” since they see themselves as the master who owns all and you as the slave who can own nothing.
Report Post »teachermitch32
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:21pmOh my! This evil, capitalistic healthcare system in the US. What are we to do? They are providing just too much cutting edge technology that would not be forthcoming should we have a universal healthcare system. They are just sooo evil.
Report Post »mikem1969
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:55pmThat would be because one of the the progressives’ goals is to de-populate. So they want rationing of HC and food.
Report Post »themanflounders
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:24pmPrivate insurance companies provide no product or direct healthcare service. They do not invest money into medical technology research. Nobody is saying to get rid of medical technology companies or pharmaceutical companies. In fact, the Obama White House gives incredible tax subsidies to private medical technology companies. Also, much of the research and development that comes out of the United States is funding by the government and carried out by PhDs, physicians, and students working for public and private universities, but be aware that the research funding to private universities is mostly public (though private, non-profit funding certainly exists too).
So to state that a universal healthcare system would destroy research and development is incorrect. Countries with single-payer and public option systems all have private research and development companies. This is a poor argument against a single-payer system.
Report Post »sofaking obvious
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:21pmgotta love socialism. Damn you private industry. WTF?
Report Post »aLinedog
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:21pmSkin Gun could be useful, particularly to the future generations that our peace-loving progressives will send to the ovens.
Report Post »Was that snarky? I’m sorry… man that was good barbecue though.
Hey Michelle, we have better BBQ than Charlotte! Since you folks can’t even bother to give us time after that flood disaster, sending the VP for a Drive-by weeks later doesn’t count. So perhaps your love of good BBQ will bring you down.. then again.
Lots of tea partiers down here… ohhh you might be in danger! Perhaps you should stay in your ivory tower and just go visit Spain when you want to get out. We, the People, don’t mind paying for it.. really, we don’t.
Oooops.. I’m getting snarky again…
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BurntHills
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:20pmjust think of all the Americans suddenly unemployed thru-out the health insurance industry this obama minion would gleefully cause, just for a pat on the head from his fuhrer.
Report Post »themanflounders
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:20pmThis is an illogical argument that ignores the intrinsic injustice of a private insurance company that profits from denying people coverage. But this is a digression. With the argument you just used you could argue against laws prohibiting child labor. By prohibiting child labor, the U.S. government instantly eliminated potentially millions of jobs and dollars in income from the U.S. economy. So, one could say, “With this new act they will eliminate jobs and take money away from families who need it”. I‘m positive you don’t agree with me that private insurance companies are intrinsically unjust, but it doesn’t matter what you believe in the instance because your argument is based around a loss of jobs and not the intrinsic worth of the private insurance industry. That’s what you have to focus your argument on.
Report Post »decendentof56
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 8:56pmthemanflounders
Report Post »If the Dems/Rebub’s had done the right thing by allowing ins companys to compete across state lines, and instituted Tort reform, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
I could go on about a buddy of my uncle who is at the end phase of his life. Because of liability worries due to him having no living will, they have kept him alive for the last two weeks via tubes. Despite our having known him for 65 years, and him telling everyone he could (several nurses, us, Dr’s) that he wanted NO tubes to keep him alive they still have him on LS. The hospital has gotten their lawyer involved, appointed a guardian, etc. Just multiply this by 1000′s and you can easily see why HC costs are ridiculous. He wants to die and they won’t let him!
themanflounders
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 9:47pm@Decendent
I am sorry to hear about your situation. That said, the position that opening up insurance companies to be able to operate across state lines wouldn’t necessarily be a *bad* idea, but understand that insurance companies would simply move to the states with the most relaxed regulatory standards and would operate out of those locales. This all said, I fundamentally refute the idea that private business has a moral or ethical right to be in the business of health insurance. It is an intrinsically unethical practice to make a profit off of denying medical coverage. It is an inefficient system that has had the keys to the kingdom since the early 20th century. The result has been a hydra with different heads in every state. By opening up business across state lines you’d simplify the system, but I argue you’d simplify an inherently backwards system. Money should not be a determinant of who gets medical care and who doesn’t. If we are going to be a Christian nation, we should legislate as a Christian nation.
To your end of life issues, I am a physician who fully supports physician assisted suicide in order to end life in dignity. It’s a shame that our culture treats suicide as such a taboo. I see so many patients die horrible, completely undignified deaths inside the hospital that should have taken place in their own beds. I would never “go rogue” and perform such a role against the law, but the laws should be changed.
Report Post »themanflounders
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 9:51pmAlso, to your point about tort reform. We actually completely agree, and I commonly disagree with my liberal comrades on the issue. While malpractice cases only constitute a fraction of the “medical waste” in our system, I believe the irrational fear of getting sued causes an incredible increase in medical costs.
That said, this is an extremely difficult issue. Our U.S. culture is a very, very skeptical one. I have practiced as a physician in multiple countries, and I find the level of trust that exists between patient and physician to be at the very extreme lowest in the United States. This lack of trust results in the litigious nature of our healthcare system. I believe malpractice cases are a symptom, not a diagnosis.
Report Post »roxee
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:20pmLet’s just get rid of Mr. Bernie!
Report Post »shell-78
Posted on February 4, 2011 at 9:17pmYes I agree!! I unfortunately live in VT., its a great safe state I’ll give you that but when it comes to politics its totally socialist. Its very hard being a conservative here and there are very few of us. Although more than you would think. All I have to say is I have never voted for Sanders and unfortunately the Republican party spends no money on a candidate against him because why waste the money?
Report Post »I must apologize for my state.
APatriotFirst
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:20pmWhat is the current count of un-intelligent people in DC now? Anyone have the numbers?
Report Post »Tex Expatriate
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:20pmFive hundred and thirty-six, plus an additional thousand or six appointees and staff.
Report Post »Buck Bagaw
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:00pmSpeaking of un-intelligent, What about the “good” people of Vermont that thrust this jackass upon the rest of the nation. Maple syrup must be a mind altering drug.
Report Post »GreyGhost
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:20pmVermont PLEASE!! PLEASE!! Get rid of this idiot……
Report Post »gr8photoman
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:47pmThe never will, Grey. Have you ever been there? It’s a lot like San Francisco…beautiful part of the country–absolutely teeming with rabid bitter moonbats. Bin Laden has a better chance of being elected to office in Vermont than anyone who would dare go against the same old tired hippie standard liberal refrain. The entire state is a frickin’ commune.
Report Post »what4
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:31pmI think that Bernie needs to go…If Vermont re-elects this pos, the states should expell Vermont from the union….The same should go for my state of CA and throw New york in there for good measure…OOPS almost forgot Illinois! Safe to say This country needs a good flushing!
Report Post »decendentof56
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 8:44pmGr8fotoman……….. is absolutely correct. Vermont is full of radical moonbats who, I guess, have forgot about the freedom and Capitalism that have given them the good life that they have. As well, there are lots of non-christians there, which may explain why they do not value our religious-based form of government.
Report Post »I’ve talked to a couple of folks who want out of there due to the rising taxes.
My wife and I used to ride our motorcycle up there from NJ, but I have no intention of going back. Yes, it is pretty, but so are lots of other places.
decendentof56
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 9:17pmYou know, I have what I believe is a partial (partial, I said) reason why people in states like Vt and Maine keep electing the dingbats that they do. They are too far removed from places that have high percentages of minorities, and the resulting crime from those minorities. Now, Vermonters, before you say ‘racist’, remember that I can back up my accusation with statistics. I believe they think it‘s just a matter of ’giving them a fair chance’ to make their lives better. When we used to ride the m/c there in the 70′s, there were only 550 blacks, and they mostly lived near or in the Rutland area.
Report Post »If they would come to NJ, they would have a different view of how the Socialist programs of the left have ruined the Black (for instance) family.
Since you Vt’ers will stay isolated in your idillic little dream-world, you will never get to appreciate wonderful places like Camden, NJ, Pleasantville, NJ, Bridgeton, NJ. Bridgeton is the poster-child for statism. A town of 24,000, Bridgeton has 14 known gangs, with at least 600 gang members. Much smaller Bridgeton tops Atlantic City, which has 10 gangs, and 488 known gang members.
NJ has the Mt Laurel decisions from the 70′s, which mandates that, in true social-engineering form, that each municipality has to fill a quota of ‘affordable’ housing. I think the loons in Vt/Maine should show some compassion and take their fair share. Come on, guys.
CaptainSpaulding
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:19pmKon-sty-two-shun?
What’s that?
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:19pmThey just get bolder by the day!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:32pmYes they do .. let’s hope they keep it up … Keep talking idiots … sunlight is the best disenfectant. People who didn’t want believe are coming around.
Report Post »taxed
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:13pmIt is funny how they were making fun of us before for correctly labeling them as Marxists and socialists, and now it is common knowledge. Everyone should listen to John C Drew’s recount of going to school with a young devout Marxist, Hussein Obama. Note: John Drew was a devout Marxist himself, and his credibility has long been vetted.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?topic=1712.0
Report Post »mill
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 6:06pmBolder to what “we” should do.
…how about what “they” should do..like have the same insurance the general public does.
If they would do that, I might thing they were serious..
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 11:38pm@MILL:
“Bolder to what “we” should do.
…how about what “they” should do..like have the same insurance the general public does.
If they would do that, I might think they were serious..”
Report Post »_____________
You got that right! THEN…I’d give them the REST of the list they should emulate!
BurntHills
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:18pmwell we all knew that was coming, only the muffled sound is because his head is so far up obama’s nethers.
Report Post »Miguelito
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:25pmLet’s vote Bernie out of office!
Report Post »Okieflyover
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:28pmOverhead in Medicare and Medicaid is more than overhead plus any of the 3% profit produced by the Private Insurance Companies. 85% or more of people with private insurance like their coverage. 85% of people with Medicare don’t like their coverage or how it is administered.
AND, Medicare and Medicaid deny more claims than any private insurance companies.
But, when did facts ever get in the way of a good Socialist argument?
GeauxAlready
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:29pm.
Report Post »I think it would be cheeper to get rid of Bernie in the long run……………….
CatB
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:30pmYes .. he wasn’t supposed to let the “cat out of the bag” … we all know this is what they want . but he went off and actually said it … like old Maxine … without the oh um ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrA9zj94NuU
Report Post »AnnMarie
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:30pmCan he leave politics, write a liberal book and join some groups that promote his views. The people of his state elected him so they must be in agreement with him…
Report Post »Lantern
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:32pmHow about getting rid of the special insurance plans for government employees? That goes for retirement plans too!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:32pmI have a counter proposal, and one that WOULD actually work.
Get government completely out of medicine. 100%. Not one government dollar towards “health care”, in any form. Eliminate all medicare, medicaid and any other government program dealing with medicine. Eliminate all but normal regulation of medicine (normal being, protection against fraud, theft and real malpractice).
How do you like those apples, Bernie?
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:33pmVermont, Bernie is up for re-election in 2012 so go figure out who you need to elect to kick him into retirement. I‘m sure there must be a conservative capitalist up there somewhere who won’t sell you down the proverbial river.
Report Post »BMartin1776
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:39pmHow about we get rid of you you socialist piece of trash!
Of course we knew it was coming its been their goal & BHO’s goal even before he was president. There is that vid floating around when he was speaking to SEIU about the gaol is to get to single payer/ govt run healthcare.
Time to take things up a notch or two and give these monsters like Sanders a “lethal” dose of their own medicine through http://www.savingtherepublic.com
Report Post »Lantern
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:39pmIf the Conservatives played clips like this and others during election time, maybe they would get more votes. Maybe. I guess it depends upon who’s watching. From what I’ve heard on here, Vermont is full of out of state hippies.
Report Post »mikem1969
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 1:49pmburnthills, you said it we all saw this comming the minute the first version of the HC bill hit the table. Government takeover and the pure destruction of the best health care system in the world. These people have got to be stopped.
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:13pmNothing says American dream of capitalism like getting rid of private business.
Report Post »chuck
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:37pmPuny little Communist, bah! Where has socialism ever worked Bernie? No where, that’s where…
Report Post »jblovesAmerica
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:55pmif we follow Bernie’s thought-lets get rid of all private industries.
Report Post »its all run by the Government.
all takers no makers
Bernie where does the money come from to operate.
Where does the expertise come from to operate.
Government buffoons?
What has the government run well-NOTHING
Xcori8r
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:04pmBernie, get your priorities straight. You’ve got to get rid of private sector grocery stores and supermarkets first.
Report Post »tommee
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:18pmHere’s a prediction will happen as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow.
Bernie’s state of Vermont gets a waiver from Obamacare. It then sets up a single payer health insurance system that becomes the envy of the rest of the nation. Before long, Americans in the other states look to Vermont with envy and demand a similar single payer system for their own people.
You may scoff about it, but that’s exactly what happened in Canada. Saskatchewan was the first of the provinces to buck the anti-government role in health insurance. The people of Saskatchewan immediately fell in love their universal coverage. The rest of the country saw how good single payer worked and demanded similar systems for their provinces. Before long all Canadians had the right to government run health insurance.
Here’s the final kicker. Even the most conservative government in Canada today would not dare to attempt to repeal or even weaken the ‘socialized’ health insurance of the country. That would be political suicide. In spite of what we hear in our media, Canadians really do like their government run health insurance.
It’s going to happen In the U.S. as well. Mark my words.
the_zazzy
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:26pmHeck, Bernie, let’s get rid of anything private! Why stop at automotive, banks, insurance, housing, and personal space at the airport?
Report Post »Ellie
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:33pmIt is long past time for use to clean the House, Senate, and Admin of ANYONE in support of the murderous, tyrannical, and evil Ideals and policies of the Socialist/Progressive/Communist crowd. One who holds to any collectivist failed theories can not also protect and defend the Constitution and therefore should be impeached for their false oath of office.
Click on my name for some new Anti-progressivism, Anti-Big Government designs.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:44pm@TOMMEE
Massachusetts already tried that, before Nazicare became law. They bankrupted themselves almost immediately as a result.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:47pmwhat an idiot. that is canada and guess what, you wait up to two years for hip surgey. f–king idiots.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:49pmcrap, obama is on record as saying he wants a single payer system. jeez ,people are stupid.
Report Post »Werkovart
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:51pmLike GB said, there are smart people who know they‘re smart and there are dumb people who think they’re smart. The dumb ones like Bernie Sanders are the trouble makers.
Report Post »tommee
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:53pmHey GHOSTOFJEFFERSON
I’m not aware of Massachusetts ever having single payer health insurance. Are you talking Romneycare? The one with a mandate?
Report Post »Robert W
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:54pmDude has lost his marbles. He doesnt look all together.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:00pm@Tommee
“I’m not aware of Massachusetts ever having single payer health insurance. Are you talking Romneycare? The one with a mandate?”
You know what, you’re right, I was confusing the two in haste and multitasking on this end of my keyboard, my mistake, sorry.
I disagree with your assertion of course, but the example I used was erroneous, thank you for the correction.
Report Post »SCRMFRMHLTPS
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:13pmMy Grandma is from Ludlow, VT. When I talk to her about politcal happenings, she tells me straight out that she refuses to look at any evidence against Socialism. Propaganda has won out with some. Unfortunately, these people refuse to see things for what they are.
The truth has no agenda. I told her this and she made me leave her house, yet claims to be a Christian and preaches that “the truth will set you free”. The irony is really close in my family.
Report Post »deadb4red
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 5:03pmGet rid of Vermont! Why don’t they secede and become part of Canada. They keep re-electing this marxist; he is obviously a reflection of his constituants’ ideals.
Report Post »nptden
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 5:35pmI like to get rid of Communists like Bernie.
Report Post »12 gauge
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 5:53pmI think we should get rid of all Sanders… Deon, the Colonel and especially Bernie
Report Post »DisillusionedDaily
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 7:14pmGetting rid of the insurance companies and forcing us into a single payer system has been their goal from the start. Bernie is so entrenched in his senate seat that he is not worried about saying so. It’s funny, but the systems that have failed every where else are so attractive to so many of our politicians. They are arrogant enough to think that the socialist programs that failed elsewhere were not designed or run by them. If they had been, we would be living in a socialist paradise! As Bugs Bunny once said, “What a bunch of maroons!”
Report Post »Kaen
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 7:28pmThat is a nice necktie Bernie is wearing…not the “Necktie” I would have picked out for the socialist/marxist pig but, a nice necktie none the less…
http://explodingpuppy.blogspot.com
not for the timid nor “Politically Correct”
Report Post »proantisocialist
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 8:44pmi think we should get rid of the socialist,how about that bernie..
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 8:44pmIsn’t Bernie from Brooklyn?
Report Post »uncleherbert
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 9:31pmIs this man the answer for the people of their state? Private sector has what makes this country great. I would refuse to live in a state that suppported socialism/communisum, I would spend my life and money to throw him out of office.
Report Post »DaveChen
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 11:43pmBernie, let’s get rid of private insurance companies and replace with government run insurance so we can have the same efficient and cost efficient system that runs the railroads, the mail system and the social security system controlling healthcare insurance. Then we could have health care and insurance run by the very efficient paper pushers who want to run the entire country. Our unemployment problem could be solved overnight. All unemployed American workers and undocumented migrants will be employed ——– by the government. Next we can replace our broadcast systems with a government run radio and TV system that can get the truth (according to the government) out to the people. The government attacks on some networks haven’t worked so far but, a real diligent effort can succeed. The independent newspapers can be next. Most of the newspapers are already on the government bandwagon, so getting the few independents left shouldn’t be much of a problem. See how easy it is Bernie .. no problem. …… Well almost no problem. How do we pay for this since the tax payers are now the recipients of the taxes paid? Oh – I forgot you can print more money. Perfect solution.
The so-called healthcare program has nothing positive to do with real healthcare problems which are COSTS. We do need healthcare reform. We need health insurance reform as well. We still need both. During the presidential campaign, then Senator Obama was against the individual mandate and correctly stated that healthcare COSTS were the major problem. Nothing in the ObamaCare program addresses the cost problem. The program emphasizes enforcement, compliance and record keeping. If anything, the costs to go to a doctor or hospital will be increased due to the caregivers’ additional administrative costs to satisfy government reporting requirements.
Doctors and hospitals are burdened with record keeping and procedures that are in place only for their protection from frivolous and fraudulent claims and have nothing to do with true healthcare. The present program doesn’t address tort reform which is necessary to reduce liability costs to caregivers.
Insurance costs can be reduced if healthcare costs can be reduced and more people will be able to pay for health insurance if the cost is reduced.
Report Post »DirectlyUnPCman
Posted on February 4, 2011 at 1:22amGet rid of all politicians instead. We can fix it after that.
Report Post »IMTL
Posted on February 4, 2011 at 11:43pmwell ol bernie and his socialist president are gonna crap their little panties when HERMAN CAIN comes and becomes the next non racist President in 2012 by bernie and Badrock. Ps we have some pink panties for you here in Arizona, sheriff joe will be glad to size you criminals up in a nice tent.
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on February 5, 2011 at 9:34amAsk yourself. Does he promote more or less liberty, freedom, and personal choice. Dont you love his repeated use of the term MANDATE!!!
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