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Sen. Hatch Defends Muslim Right to Build Ground Zero Mosque
- Posted on September 1, 2010 at 2:13am by
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Comments (86)
Nicole from CA
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 12:01pmToo many people and Politcians do not get that Islam is NOT a religion. It is a political ideology. There is no seperation of church and state with Islam. Their religion is their political law. All you have to keep repeating is this: Muslims subjugate, enslave and brutalize women. Anyone who does not get that or refuses to believe it or denies it is a total loser hopeless moron. Oron, you made the list.
Report Post »greatgrandmasue
Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:33amAmen.
Report Post »rebrad
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 11:56amThe time for RINO’s is over. Retire and go away.
Report Post »d1carter
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 11:55amThis is not going to be good for Orrin Hatch. Although he defends their right to build, he surely must think that is very insensitive for the Ground Zero Mosque to be built. If he does not, Senator Hatch needs to move on.
Report Post »jblind
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 11:33amDear Orrin, It’s time for you to leave Washington. I don’t think you get it. Next election I will cast my vote for your opponent and give you more time to write music, commune with nature, and attend more Jazz games. Audios muchacho!
Report Post »realjohn
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 10:24amIf, God willing, we (I mean you and you and you . . . and I) are finally put in charge of ourselves and this nation by positioning ourselves individually, and truthfully, as people of faith, hope and love, then change can occur (as Glenn talked about on Saturday). Until then, it doesn’t matter who is in a position of elected officialdom. The big lobbyist guns will remain in charge of the country (along with the media who are lobbied just as hard as our elected officials). Lobbied to the point that they put a bounty on a person’s head to find ways to take away power. And lobbied to the point where they actually believe that lying about a person and forming a “Journolist” newsfeed group to misinform and promote a disinformation and propaganda pogrom is their idea when in truth, the corporate structure of greed and the power of the lobbyists own them.
Power corrupts. Power attracts the corruptible. The lobbyists play on that and get everything they want by prostituting themselves for whoever signs their paycheck. I am so pleased to see someone like Glenn who, to this point, is not asking for power for himself. He already has it through his faith. Like the words from Clapton’s song, “Everybody knows the secret, Everybody knows the score, I have finally found a place to live, In the presence of the Lord.” That is the God of your understanding whose other name is Love.
Jefferson said, “The very foundation of government, therefore, rests on the inalienable rights of the people and of each individual composing their mass”. But until those rights are understood to be from our Creator and not our government we are the sheep led to slaughter. For once I am starting to believe that the sheep are this country’s elected officials (hopefully they haven’t unpacked all their bags).
Report Post »Wow! Quoting Clapton and Jefferson. See what God has wrought!! Thank you Glenn!!
Txsleuth
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 10:13amDon’t forget that Orrin Hatch was a cosponsor of the “Dream Act” several years ago.
That was an law that, in part, was so that illegal immigrants would have access to our universities. Not only access, but they got in-state tuition prices.
In Texas, the state schools are over crowded as it is. To give an illegal, one of those spots, plus, have him/her pay LESS than someone from Oklahoma would do..was/is wrong.
Since then, nothing that Hatch says surprises me. He is on my list of Congresscritters who have worn out their welcome.
Report Post »GlennTX
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 12:10pmTXSLEUTH thanks for pointing out the dream act, I went and read the highlights of the bill and the qualifications for illegals to participate. My conculsion is this a very good bill, and Hatch should be proud of it. This bill is not like you say, I suggested you READ THE BILL 1st then post.
Report Post »RoseAnnaDanna
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 2:26pmglenntx
I think you must want to grant anchor babies whose parents are illegal, along with those who snuck across the border via help of their illegal parents, or otherwise as illegal young people themselves access to our colleges, universities and financial aid. Txsleuth is right about the Dream Act. These childrens’ parents should be held responsible for their illegal actions coming here as well as the other illegals wanting access to our colleges, universities and financial aid. It is too bad for the anchor babies but they do belong in the group of illegals who access to our country through a back door.
GlennTX
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 3:44pmNo I don’t hate the babies! Republicans want you to hate babies, here is a list of babies you should HATE according to conservatives.
1. “anchor babies” they are stealing our tax dollars WHATEVER there are more corporations stealing the tax dollars by a long shot.
2. “welfare babies” this are babies from poor people that just want more welfare, OMG let’s talk about the corporate welfare which far exceeds foodstamps.
3. “terroris babies” This is my favorite BS from the republicans, we should hate the american muslim baby, because they are going to grow up and blow up a building in the USA.
Idiocracy is not just a movie, it is the current GOP.
Report Post »ARCHON
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 12:04pm@GlennTX- You do hate babies. You’re PRO-ABORTION.
OMG let’s talk about 40-million dead babies and you still want more!
Report Post »bdionne
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 9:21amI use to think Senator Hatch was good. Well, he’s done many things to change my mind—the mosque being one of them. Nobody says that they don’t have the right to build the mosque there—they should use some wisdom!!!
Report Post »slolsen
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 9:12amThey have the right, but it doesn‘t actually mean that they should and we shouldn’t allow it. This is more about what is right and wrong not if they have the right to do something. There is a difference. He is a great side stepper of some issues and he is always trying to please everybody and you just can’t.
Report Post »Judie in Va
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 9:03amWell, I guess that tells me all I need to know about Mr. Hatch!
Report Post »Sicboy
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 8:36amSee what happens when the great republicans keep voting in the same person. They loose touch with reality. Stop the insanity, be the conservative you are and vote new blood in to congress.
Report Post »nickc66
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 8:17amUtah, please, retire this guy!
Report Post »SingerGuy
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 12:39pmI am a county representative in my Utah Precinct. We intend to!
Report Post »GlennTX
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 8:05amFinally a republican with a working brain.
Report Post »Jabril
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 8:51amWell said GLENNTX
Report Post »darwin
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 9:24amYou have to have a working brain to recognize one. I don’t think you qualify. There are Muslims in the US that just want to be part of America, then there are Muslims here who want to destroy America. It doesn’t take a genius to figure how which category this Imam and his mosque fall into.
The left has sided with Islam in their mutual goal to destroy America. Use your head … when has the left ever been for religious freedom? Why do they side with Islam on every issue? They’ve spent decades trying to drive Christianity into the shadows. Remember the Mojave desert cross? Yeah, they really supported that one.
Wake up.
Report Post »Jabril
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 7:49amI can respect that people might disagree with his Hatch’s position and people who disagree with him can exercise their political right and vote him out. My one concern however is that I have read a few comments on here that suggest he is some how either “pandering” or taking a position that violates the Constitution.
Pandering? Possibly…I can’t say what is in his head. But for the sake of serious debate (on all sides of this issue) I wish people would not throw around the concept of the “Founding Documents” in such an abstract manner as a justification for why this cultural center/mosque should not be built. People may not like the cultural center being built which is fine (and have the undeniably protected right to protest its construction), but it is on private property, and any government action which would either favor or prevent the construction of the center unquestionably violates the First Amendment. That is an undeniable Constitutional fact. If people want to be really serious about this debate, and I have no doubt that that do, we can‘t forget that the Constitution doesn’t just apply when convenient (insert predictable attack on whichever administration you don’t like) but it applies at all times.
GlennTX
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 8:17am100% correct, also dening americans their constitution rights and freedoms in connection with 9-11 is another win for the terrorists. Actually a double win, americans are know being stripped of rights because of the terrorists, and since we are stripping muslim americans in this case what a perfect recruiting tool for the terrorists. I am really pissed at all involved in making such a stink about this muslim church gym whatever it is, thanks so much for painting americans as racists around the world. I wish Bush and Cheney would come out in support, maybe that would stop all their haters in the right from making this such an issue.
Report Post »ThatDarnCat
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 10:49pmI concur. You cannot say you support the constitution and then deny property rights. The mosque is to be built on private property and unless you have a valid legal argument, you have no argument.
Report Post »tisdmon
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 7:23amthis little man needs to be put out of Washington. He is like McCain, says republican but is actually a Democrat. We dont need his kind!!!!
Report Post »Philo Beddoe
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 7:17amHatch should be booted also. What a waste.
Islam–what a great religion? Go ask Danny Pearl’s parents how great a religion it is.
Report Post »red penny
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 6:59amHatch is just another RINO who has been in congress far too long and has become weak between the ears in his old age——time to go ole dude! Time to quit kissing up to the stupid rags heads—yeah I mean the ones who are hell bent on bringing down the West and our way of life.Need prooof—look only to Europe and observe what has happened there over the last 20 or so years!!!!
Report Post »10rights
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 5:47amI am sorry that Senator Hatch has chosen the position of ‘Pandering’, which historically-speaking, has proven to be a losing position. I am curious to learn how many other members of the U.S. Congress have chosen the same position (a direct route to the end of the unemployment line).
Report Post »mishmashthots
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 6:28amSen. Hatch is defending the Constitution. I certainly hope that defending the Constitution doesn’t put people out of a job.
Report Post »bdionne
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 9:18am10RIGHTS, I agree with you. I’m also very disappointed in Senator Hatch!!!
Report Post »terridear1
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 4:51amThe guy who slashed the Muslim Cabbies neck was a leftist radical. I pray for the cabbies recovrey. He supported building the Mosque somewhere else.
Report Post »ScarletRose
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 4:41amYeah, thatdarncat – edit functions are soooooooo important. hehehehehehe
Report Post »ScarletRose
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 4:40amVivRobbins – the slasher was a white Liberal recently returned from a Liberal project I think in Pakistan, somewhere near there, one.. The cabbie was a muslim who was against the Cordoba House mosque at Ground Zero.
The cabbie has changed his story a few times, prolly afraid of openly opposing the mosque there in Manhattan with as large a contingent of militant muslims as are there…
Report Post »But originally only said he told the passenger he was indeed a muslim, said he did not tell him he opposed the mosque.
The passenger white Liberal was involved with a university involved with muslim projects,and when he stabbed the cabbie, he yelled something in the native language of the nation he just returned from, an arab middle eastern language, at the cabbie.
But everyone says the passenger is a really really nice guy and very gentle.
mishmashthots
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 6:27amA couple of news articles said that the guy who slashed him was drunk.
Report Post »ARCHON
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 12:01pmthe cabbie slasher, Michael Enright is a PRO- GROUND ZERO MOSQUE AGENT PROVOCATEUR.
Report Post »ThatDarnCat
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 4:36amGah, I can has a edit function pleez?
Report Post »ThatDarnCat
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 4:34amA mosque is just a building in the same way a Catholic church is just a building, a Kingdom Hall is just a building, a Mormon church is just a building, a Jewish Synagogue is just a building, and a Druids Grove is just a… er stand of trees.
I do not object to a mosque, but I do object to government officials that are willing to bend over forwards to put in a mosque when they won’t do the same for any other religious building. I’ll bet the Baptists or Lutherans would love to build there too, but I‘ll bet the same diverse and tolerant people that will allow the mosque wouldn’t be so diverse and tolerant towards any Christian group.
Report Post »mishmashthots
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 6:25amSo did you hear about the guy who’s planning to build a church near Ground Zero? No one is opposing that so far.
Report Post »PolitiZilla
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 7:53amI agree with you, thatdarncat, and as for the other comment from mishmash or whatever (sorry, posts disappear when I try to reply) there is a church that was at Ground Zero before it was destroyed, government officials have done everything in their power to BLOCK it’s being rebuilt. Check your facts.
Report Post »anniebanannie
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 12:23pm“So did you hear about the guy who’s planning to build a church near Ground Zero? No one is opposing that so far.”
Stop being obtuse. It’s not attractive.
Report Post »chaberthy
Posted on September 2, 2010 at 2:58pmI think if the muslim supporters really want to reach out to build bridges, how about funding the Greek Orthodox church that was leveled as part of the 9/11 tragedy? Have them, fund the project to have that church rebuilt, which would be a step in the right direction in offering the first bridge to understanding the loss that folks feel as part of 9/11.
Report Post »ScarletRose
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 4:33amI knew Orin was a RINO when he went to the lengths he did to keep Spectre(sic) on as Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, several years ago. Brotherhood of the DC politicians above the Honor to the Constitution and the Voters. He put his reputation on the line for Spectre the Rino, then, and Spectre immediately trashed him for his pains. Deservedly so – he knew Spectre better than we did, and WE knew about Spectre.
Same shame shame that a Senator doesn’t know the Constitution and Founding Documents better than to speak to such a situation from INSIDE the BOX drawn for him by Dim Marxist creeps.
The information about this imam has to be at the Senator’s fingertips that is necessary to rip the cover off this pretense that it has anything to do with “religious freedoms”.
Report Post »Doc1Utah
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 9:43amHatch is MAJOR RINO and we woke up here in Utah about 2 years ago to who our two senators REALLY were and what they were about. We’re all salivating to to flush this T**D down the ballot box in 2 years (and oh it’s coming), just like we did Bennett for all the RINO crud he’s been pulling (I became a member of the Republican Caucauses here just to do this good deed and to rid us of Bennett). After we took Bennett down, Hatch, like McCain, has suddenly gotten the “conservative religion” and we thought he might quit making CDs with Muslims (singing muslim hits??!?!) but here he is again. Hmmm… Though I understand (we’re mostly LDS/Mormon here so we’re a tad sensitive to religious freedom issues) his religious freedom argument he’s otherwise showing his true colors again. Well, his senatorial days are numbered and we’re all waiting to vote him out in 2012 for stuff like this and his original horrific unforgivable sin of signing TARP despite Utahns asking/begging/pleading with him 700+ to 1 NOT TO SIGN IT (that 700 to 1 is reported from one of his staffers). And these two senators seem to be tending to REFUSE now to show their faces here in Utah or they’ll definitely get the Ben Nelson Pizza Treatment here too
Report Post »JMS
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 11:18amGood for you Doc1Utah. When Socialists/Democrats were taking over every industry in 2009, that knucklehead (along with our knucklehead, Barton, here in Texas ) was talking about the federal government regulating the NCAA. I know Utah gets dissed in college sports, but do Republicans really want to be sending the message during a government grab that they want to grab some too?
Report Post »flintandsteel
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 2:32amAnyone that defends a cult that gives their members the right to lie to, steal from, and murder “unbelievers” cannot possibly be allowed to govern.
mishmashthots
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 6:24amAre you talking about Sen. Hatch?
Report Post »TotallyBelievableGuy
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 2:23amLet me say this again.
Two of you idiots already slashed a muslim to ribbons and pissed in a mosque.
The veil has been taken off, you are all obvious, hateful, bigots.
flintandsteel
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 2:34amAre you a Muslim or a “progressive”?
TotallyBelievableGuy
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 2:40amProgressive? Muslim?
If you consider a libertarian socialist a progressive, yes.
And a no on the choice “muslim”. But i know plenty of muslims, and they, and their families, tend to be far nicer than christian families (they don’t prostilytize)
ssommers
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 3:53amhaha i think its funny that you refer to yourself as a libertarian socialist! because to me that sounds like a contradiction! libertarians believe strongly in freedom in every aspect of life and little to no government involvement, where as socialists are all about government control! however about your comment about the Muslims being nicer than Christians doesnt matter for many reasons, first off because there are nice people in all religions and ******** in all religions! you cant base a religion off the people you know! second is because we are not arguing about whether muslims are nice people or not! its if we can trust them. think about if during world war 2 a bunch of nazi’s where in america and were saying for us not to be scared of them and to trust them, what do you honestly think people would do? whether the nazi’s where nice or not people wouldnt trust them! its the same way now! I have a hard enough time trusting religion anyways so for one to say that its ok to do things to people that are wrong just because they dont believe the same is just too much for me! also i might want to add that people in general will follow their religious leaders even if it doesnt make any sense at all! many muslims may say that they wont hurt us and that they can be trusted but at the end of the day if their leaders tell them to do somthing with a “promise from god!” they will blindly follow just like any Christian
Report Post »JeffersonSmith
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 4:05amBecause of a couple of peoples actions, which are despicable, you condemn everyone?
JeffersonSmith
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 4:07am“a libertarian socialist”
ok, I get it. That, along with your moniker makes me believe you are joking.
Report Post »vivrobbins
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 4:24amI may be wrong, but I thought the guy that slashed the Muslim cabbie was a Muslim. Am I wrong?
mishmashthots
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 6:23amNo, the guy who slashed the cabbie is not Muslim.
Report Post »MOE3
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 8:08amWhy the hate man? Let go of your hate and join us. Don’t be consumed by the dark side. Oh and just because you have the right to free speech doesn’t mean you can yell fire in a theater. Likewise, freedom of religion doesn’t give someone the right to preach death to the infidels. The mosque is a Trojan horse.
Report Post »mizflame98
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 8:40amLibertarian and Socialism is contradictory.
Report Post »stevesmithjr
Posted on September 1, 2010 at 9:47amA Libertarian Socialist? Seriously?
Is that kinda like being a straight gay guy? Are you politically bisexual?
Report Post »ARCHON
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:58amDOZENS of domestic muslims have committed dozens of hate-crimes against Americans since 9/11.
The “veil” of muslim intolerance and hatred has been removed-THEY ARE ALL HATEFUL BIGOTS.
just like their many “LIB-PROG” associates.
Report Post »NoMarxist
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 5:35pmMuslims prefer to mutilate their own people where Sharia law has been established, unless they can get a film crew from Al Jazera, CNN or the BBC to broadcast hacking off a journalist’s head with a dull machete for tonights world news. They do have standards you know.
Report Post »warmac9999
Posted on September 4, 2010 at 4:09pmThe guy who slashed the Muslim cabbie was an a leftist in an international peace organization. Hardly “one of ours”. The guy who pissed on a prayer rug was named Omar Rivera. Omar was the name of the 2nd Islamic caliph.
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