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Sens. Rand Paul and John Cornyn Introduce Bill to Limit Power of Government to Seize Private Property

Rand Paul and John Cornyn Introduce a Bill to Limit Government Eminent Domain

U.S. Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) (AP Photo/Harry Cabluck)

U.S. Sens. John Cornyn (R-Texas) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.) introduced legislation today aimed at strengthening private property rights and limiting the government’s power of eminent domain, which allows the seizure private property without the owner’s consent.

The Protection of Homes, Small Businesses and Private Property Act of 2012 intentionally coincides with the seventh anniversary of the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in Kelo v. the City of New London in which the Court ruled that local governments could utilize eminent domain to confiscate private property at their discretion.

“The Kelo decision represented a vast expansion of government power of eminent domain—one that went too far. My legislation would limit that power and restore the basic protections of private property rights that our founders intended,” Cornyn said in a statement.

The bill argues that the “protection of homes, small businesses and other private property rights against government seizures and other unreasonable government interference is a fundamental principal and core commitment of our Nation’s founders.” It also cites the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which states eminent domain may only be used for only for “public use.”

Taken directly from the Protection of Homes, Small Businesses and Private Property Act of 2012:

The Court’s decision in Kelo is alarming because, as Justice O’Connor accurately noted in her dissenting opinion, joined by the Chief Justice and Justices Scalia and Thomas, the Court has ‘‘effectively . . . delete[d] the words ‘for public use’ from the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment’’ and thereby ‘‘refuse[d] to enforce properly the Federal Constitution.

Under the Court’s decision in Kelo, Justice O’Connor warns, ‘‘The specter of condemnation hangs over all property. Nothing is to prevent the State from replacing any Motel 6 with a Ritz Carlton, any home with a shopping mall, or an farm with a factory.

The bill concludes with a challenge to lawmakers to restore the protections provided under the Fifth Amendment and protect private property owners from even the possibility of wrongful, unlawful property seizure.

Rand Paul and John Cornyn Introduce a Bill to Limit Government Eminent Domain

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin)

“Property rights are the bulwark of a free society. If we allow our government to confiscate private property at will, then we will eventually lose our other constitutionally protected rights as well. I am proud to stand with Sen. Cornyn to introduce this legislation that will restore property rights to the American people,” said Paul in a statement.

In the landmark property rights case, New London officials decided they needed Susette Kelo’s land and the surrounding 90 acres for a multimillion-dollar private development that included residential, hotel conference, research and development space and a new state park that would compliment a new $350 million Pfizer pharmaceutical research facility.

Kelo and six other homeowners fought for years, all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. In 2005, justices voted 5-4 against them, giving cities across the country the right to use eminent domain to take property for private development while also confirming the government’s authority to take property from one person and give it to another if they believe it may promote economic development.

Rand Paul and John Cornyn Introduce a Bill to Limit Government Eminent Domain

Susette Kelo, left, former owner of the little pink house stands with Avner Gregory, the new owner, during a dedication ceremony at the home's new location in New London, Conn., Saturday, June 21, 2008. Kelo lost her home when the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in June 2005 that local governments may seize homes and businesses even against the owners' will for private economic development. (AP Photo/Jessica Hill)

Ironically, weeds, glass, bricks, pieces of pipe and shingle splinters had replaced the knot of aging homes at the site of the nation’s most notorious eminent domain project. Much of the property was reportedly still undeveloped as of late 2009.

If the prospect of the government using eminent domain to seize private property sounds absurd to you, consider this: they try it all the time, and sometimes succeed.

The Los Angeles Times reported on Wednesday:

San Bernardino County is pursuing a program that would use eminent domain to seize mortgages and restructure them for underwater homeowners stuck in their properties.

The aggressive plan, approved unanimously this week by the county Board of Supervisors, is titled the Homeownership Protection Program and partners the county with the cities of Ontario and Fontana. The program will use private funds from investors to acquire underwater mortgages – those that are worth less than the debt owed on them – and restructure them on behalf of homeowners in those cities.

David Wert, a spokesman for the county, said the program was still in its initial stages and details are not yet firm. Those details will be hashed out in public, he said.

“Under this particular proposal, the county would use its eminent domain authority to condemn the mortgages on negative equity properties and that way the county would take possession — would be the owner of the mortgages,” Wert said. “The mortgages could then be renegotiated at a lower amount.”

It may sound like the government is coming to the aide of homeowners, but under the current program, the local county government would essentially become the bank, owning the mortgage on the properties. That isn’t exactly the role any government entity should take on.

Other cities are reportedly considering similar measures.

WVIR in Charlottesville, Va. reported on Monday that Charlottesville City Council voted in favor of using eminent domain to seize a piece of land owned by a private company, Middle Mountian LLC, to be used for future construction and development.

The Kansas City Business Journal reported on June 8 that a Kansas City local government has filed a petition to assert eminent domain in Clay County Circuit Court. They want to condemn a Burger King and use the property it sits on for city redevelopment. The property owner is reportedly holding out and is not willing to give up his plot of land.

These instances are only very recent eminent domain cases. A simply Google search will turn up an abundance of other instances.

Obviously, not every case of eminent domain is a blatant violation of property rights as some property owners sometimes agree to give up their property, however, as shown in Kelo v. the City of London, it is certainly possible. The only remaining question is: do we want any government entity to have that type of power?

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Comments (80)

  • Daveed
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:54am

    The bill does not go far enough. There should never be immenient domain ever!!! If the government wants your property then they can make a financial offer for three times what it is worth and if the owners want to sell they can and if they choose not to, then they won’t.

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    • MRMANN
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:21am

      How true, & very chilling.

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    • johnjamison
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:19am

      The bottom line is that seizing a citizens property with jusrt compensation is Unconstitutional and in cases where generations have owned property the citizenry has even more rights.

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    • Economist
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 8:48am

      This can’t come soon enough… Capital controls are coming to a government near you soon.

      http://theautomaticearth.org/Finance/capital-flight-capital-controls-capital-panic.html

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    • Dcjones
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 8:53am

      Economist,

      Yes the problem is structural in nature the banking system we have now is going to fail and is a mathmatical certainty if you know how it works. Here is the reason:

      In a debt-based, fiat, fractional reserve banking model only the principal is ever printed. The interest is never printed. Therefore, in order that the interest can be paid back(using someone else’s principal) ever more principal must be printed into existence. It can only be printed into existence through the emission of more debt. This process works on the compound interest principle and follows an exponential path. An exponential emission of debt cannot happen exponentially, indefinitely. That is a fact. This is the route casue of the financial “crisis”. All that the the greed and fraud did to that model was to accelerate its already pre-defined mathematical outcome.

      Yes, very soon we will have bank runs, and the goverment will either enact the following or the system will collapse:

      •Restrictions on bank withdrawals
      •Restrictions on money market fund redemptions
      •Greater restrictions on retirement fund liquidations
      •Fixing an official exchange rate and criminalizing market rate transactions
      •Banning the conversion of domestic currency to foreign currency
      •Banning the movement of assets out of the country to foreign financial institutions
      •Barriers, restrictions, additional transaction costs imposed on foreigners seeking to deposit funds or make investments in

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    • yougottabekidding
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 8:53am

      I’m sure that this is a racist bill and will be fought hard against by Hussain and his MSNBC idiots!

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    • firstgenesis
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 9:21am

      OK…ok, DAVEED, MRMANN, & JOHNJAMISON,
      If you read the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution you will find out that even our founders agreed that the government needed some ability to reclaim property for PROPER PUBLIC use. The question was how difficult should it be, and if it EVER happens the citizens affected needed to be justly compensated. I FULLY agree that in some cases eminent domain has been misused, but that does not mean we need to through out the entire concept simply because some PEOPLE exercising that power are corrupt.

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    • watashbuddyfriend
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 9:54am

      @Daveed, I do not know the extent of the Bill, but, your comment sure makes it plain! Thanks.

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    • listeninginVT
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 10:38am

      isn’t this furthering of agenda 21?

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    • socialism.rocks
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 3:01pm

      you are a idiot government gives people property rights it can take it away….government is of we the people for the people

      more brain dead republicans

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  • brewers97
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:12am

    I face and fight eminent domain tyranny as we speak.
    In Cortland County NY eminent domain ios being used against me for their airport.
    All totally illegal.
    The only reason they have an airport is to fly illegal drugs into the county.
    My fathjer was a WWII hero and fought them from 1967 till 2010, when he died.
    Now the torch is passed………..i will fight them until I die.
    I am US Navy and 27 yrs a volunteer fireman.
    Live free or die! GOD Bless America and save us from our government!!!!!!!!!

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    • Christianmyson
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 8:15am

      I standwith you brother I am U.S. A.F Vet and it is only a matter of time before we have to fight again in this country in the streets and fields of America to protect our rights Give me Liberty or give me Death, God Bless America, wake up people, what the Hell is wrong with all of you ?

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  • auntmoxie.com
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:53pm

    This is the most optimistic I’ve been in awhile. Senators Paul and Cornyn…. I wub you!

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  • Elena2010
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:09pm

    Took you slackers long enough to fix that SCOTUS flawed decision!

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    • scuba13
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:12pm

      They haven’t fixed anything yet>

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:26pm

      I’m hopeful it will pass both houses w/veto-proof majorities!

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    • marhee9
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:37pm

      Sounds like we have two more “radicals” on our hands here. Believing in smaller government and personal rights will only lead you to be called racists and extremists. Can you say tea party? It’s about time guys! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-WWrGHn5QQ

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  • beckyspatflaveredstew
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:34pm

    I agree with soybomb, anyone who can needs to support Rand Paul. I am not privy to the info Rand gets, so I salt my judgement of His endorsement of Romney, but I cannot see from here how He could possibly do such a thing.

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  • Kellyirishtoafault
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:25pm

    Sign me up to do anything I can to help this get past.
    Bravo to both Senator Rand Paul and Senator John Cornyn

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    • jhaydeng
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:43pm

      agreed

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    • js1964
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:57pm

      agreed

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    • Vickie Dhaene
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 10:20am

      Agreed. We can do this by paying closer attention to our own local communities and make sure it’s not happening. Please join your local 912 groups and keep the pressure on the Local Politicians and Commissioners. Let them know we will be vigilant.

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  • kegbuna
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:10pm

    I am sure they will appreciate this effort down in Texas where people are having their land taken away by the government at behest of the CANADIAN company TransCanada. Imagine, a foreign corporation basically coming into America and using the government to seize the land of its own people. Money really does make the world go round.

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    • Rayblue
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:29pm

      It’s not the first time.
      TXDOT is behind most of the corruption.

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    • brewers97
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:14am

      Me too, see my post brewers97
      GOD Bless America

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  • Meyvn
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:08pm

    And you all should look into Rand Paul’s bill of “Preserving Freedom from Unwarranted Surveillance Act of 2012.”

    This bill:

    ** Forces law enforcement to obtain a warrant from a judge before dispatching drones to fly over our property.
    ** Forbids the use of evidence illegally obtained by warrantless drone flights from being used in any criminal, civil or regulatory action.
    ** Permits citizens to sue the government for any violations of this act.
    ** Provides exceptions for patrolling the border, to act in the case of imminent danger to human life or high risk of a terrorist attack.

    If you support it, sign the petition here: http://www.randpacusa.com/nds_sign.aspx

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    • MetalPatriot
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:48pm

      I get Rand’s email updates. He’s definitely one of the Good Guys. I like him A LOT more than his dad.

      QUESTION: This law is about “local” govt’s ability to use eminent domain. Does the Constitution only allow for Federal land grabs or does it also apply to local govt?

      Any light on the subject would be helpful.

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  • JUSTANOTHEROPINION
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:04pm

    It’s not just a state modo. Live Free Or Die. Lock and load.

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    • Wolfgang the Gray
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:41pm

      You got that straight. I paid for my car, it is mine & nobody can take it from me (unless the want to get lead poisoning). If I buy a piece of property, that is mine. It is the sovereign micro country of Wolfgang Land. Anyone trying to take it away might also suffer said poisoning.

      Yes, I know that my land still has to obey the laws of the US and the Constitution (gladly), but the government should have no right to come after me every year to keep paying for that land (property taxes).

      I am 100% behind Rand Paul & John Cornyn in this matter!

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    • brewers97
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:17am

      Me too bro,
      see my post brewers97
      GOD Bless America and save us from our government!!!!

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  • PointBreak
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:52pm

    Rand Paul is a liar and a traitor. We need to find someone else to support as his political career is a fraud, and is OVER.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:02pm

      It is definately on hiatus from a Ron Paul successor standpoint. But we must remember, someone like Rand Paul is the perfect compromise between Ron Paul and Romney. If the republicans had any sense, they would have asked Rand to become the nominee in order to solidify the party. However, I’m sure the Republicans felt like they would have all the votes because of the “anyone but obama” disorder.

      Demand the Republicans nominate people like Rand Paul or else we vote Gary Johnson in November!

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    • beckyspatflaveredstew
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:21pm

      Which mask are you wearing, Nixon or Reagan?

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:24pm

      Only problem Soy, is Rand isn’t a globalist and also wants to end the fed. GOP likes the fed, and it’s redistribution of wealth too.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:37pm

      @Just
      Which is exactly why they cannot be trusted unless we have a constitution hoss as the nominee

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    • 3monkeysmomma
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:45pm

      …so what’s your point? You like eminent domain? You don’t want the Fed audited?

      I wasn‘t happy with Rand Paul’s endorsement but he’s got several important peices of legislation coming up for a vote and any conservative with any sense knows he needs our support.

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    • inblack
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 12:40am

      If your new found hatred of Rand Paul is over his endorsement, you are being pretty immature. But I’m sure he will support your right to be childish.

      I’d have rather had him hold out for some libertarian planks in the repub platform, but I don’t know what his reasoning or strategy was for the endorsement. I’m pretty sure he talked it over with his dad first.

      You still have a choice. Vote for Gary if you want.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:04am

      @Point, Man, I know how you feel, but I promise you, Rand and his father are still working towards the same goals they always have been. Everytime Rand needs support, I get a message from his father on FB letting me know about it. Be unhappy with Rand for a while and let it go. My gut tells me, it’s nothing more than a different strategy to implement their ideas. We have to remember that, as much as we’d like them to be, they are different people. Keep an eye out on Rand’s legislation and voting record. I believe you’ll find nothing has changed in principle with that silly announcement.

      @Soy, Yeah, I just don‘t think they’ll (the establishment) give Rand a chance either because of those two things.

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  • Meyvn
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:51pm

    Applause.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:47pm

    Some one is thinking… we are headed to the 1923 Weimar Republic Moment… where the old Mark became WorthLess… and Land was used as a National Asset to back the Rentemmark… in order to stabilize the Currency! So, some one must protect the People & their Property… from a Crazy Government!

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  • Merrymix
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:44pm

    I own a property in Louisville, KY that is presently on the market for sale and is vacant. This house has a 1.5 car garage as well as a carport with a concrete floor. The entire yard is surrounded by an 8′ privacy fence with a 1200 lb. electronic gate that we purposely left off the track so that no one could open it. Our son parked two cars at the property. One was in the garage and one was in the carport. This was a beautiful car with a $5,500 blue book value, but it wasn’t operable due to an unsolved electrical problem that was under evaluation.
    On March 3 as neighbors watched in disbelief, a Metro Police wrecker came to the property. Two men broke into the yard and towed away this vehicle. When we saw that the car was gone, we assumed our son had it moved to another repair facility. When he saw that it was gone, he thought we had it moved because we didn’t want it there anymore. By the time we knew what had happened, the storage lot charges were in excess of $500 and mounting daily for him to get the car back. Now the car has been sold. We were told by the Dept. of Licenses that the car didn’t have current tags. But the car was as inoperable as the picnic set nearby. Why would you license a car that couldn’t be driven? I’m so upset over this theft and demand for ransom. The metro councilman‘s office hasn’t been helpful. I feel the city should reimburse our son. Who else should I contact? Any guidance would be appreciated.

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    • beckyspatflaveredstew
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:10pm

      Something like that would not have happened a hundred years ago, reckon why.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:26pm

      Dang. So the Dept of licensing were the ones that authorized the taking (stealing)?

      Did they provide any notice? Was there any warning? I would look into state/local laws regarding the process. Sounds like they skipped a few steps. Good luck trying to take the state to court tho….

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    • 3monkeysmomma
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:50pm

      Holy crap! That’s terrible. I hope you get some justice.

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  • John 1776
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:39pm

    Can’t wait for the rebuttal from our Democratic-Socialists.
    Probably something like, “For the betterment of the collective.”

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  • justangry
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:37pm

    Right on Rand! He’s also has an action call out for…

    “From my son:

    ACTION ALERT FROM RAND: The House is set to vote on an FDA reform bill, but they have stripped out my Senate-passed language to prevent mandatory minimum sentences on synthetic drugs. Please call Congressman Fred Upton, Chairman of the Eneregy and Commerce Committee and urge him to reinstate my provisions stopping new mandatory minimum sentences. His office phone is (202) 225-3761″

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  • Individualism
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:37pm

    The best senator in the Senate Rand Paul doing his job to protect the constitution we need more people like that in Washington.

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  • Jenny Lind
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:25pm

    The answer to the question is no, we do not want the government taking property, unless it is for roads, etc.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:47pm

      @Jenny Lind
      From what i reckon, you are a modera around here. Do you see the ‘eminent domain for public roads’ slippery slope? If they can take them for roads, why not airports, power plants, or hospitals?

      The government should NEVER be allowed to take property unless it is by consent. But we live in a quasi-socialist country so if they do it by force, then they should at least have to PAY the property owner double the market value of the property. Just my 2 cents

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    • 3monkeysmomma
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:52pm

      Soy is right. That was the original reasoning and look where that has gotten us.

      No more legal theft of private property!

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  • 65Mustang
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:19pm

    Rand Paul is my Senator, I pray that he and Mr. Cornyn succeed in their endeavor to keep ownership of private property from the unlawful governmental seizure.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:37pm

      May you folks in KY support this guy as much as you can – we need as many Rand Pauls as possible

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    • AxelPhantom
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:38pm

      Cornyn is my Senator, I would bet though that the final bill that gets voted on looks nothing like the original once everyone gets their fingers into it.

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  • crusaderx9
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:19pm

    Using the power of eminent domain to essentially transfer property ownership from one private party to another private party is called CORRUPTION.

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    • BLACKDIAMONDSKIER
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:04pm

      CRUSADER….

      I would agree that it is corruption, but it is more commonly known as COMMUNISM.

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    • CatB
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:18pm

      Agree .. and what they do in most cases is also theft.

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:18pm

    Put the government fiends in their place and show who works for who,but this bill wouldn‘t be necessary if we hadn’t strayed so far from our founders.Barry won‘t like it but he’ll be looking for work in January so just pass the bill into law after Barry’s fired.

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    • Gizzy
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:17pm

      Thanks Senators Paul & Cornyn but the bill should be passed retroactively to 2005 and reinstate ownership of already stolen property rights along with punitative damage awards and compensation for legal representation. Those expenses need to be paid by those who have benefitted from the wrongly acquired properties! There has to be accountability for the bastardization of our Constitution!

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  • junior1971
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:08pm

    Eminant domain is an obvious slap in the face of property rights. These types of things are the problem with our gov. Who the hell approved such things? The only one who has eminant domain over the earth is the one who created it and it aint our precious gov!

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    • chicago76
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:27pm

      What is worse? The government can claim eminent domain. Pay you with worthless dollars they print up, then take your land. That is what FDR did to people who owned gold. Heck, with the federal reserve printing money in tow, they could nationalize the whole country and call it for the public good.

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  • LaBelle
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:07pm

    Let’s see how many dems vote against it.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:05pm

    Good going! Actually… We The People are suppose to Own Government Property… but the Government keeps Guards to limit our access… and the whole National Park System is just a Land Grab to support a Minority and limit access to Resources!

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  • RJJinGadsden
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 7:57pm

    While you guys are at it, stop the EPA from hounding people to death in court over their drainage ditches being navigable waterways.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 4:51am

      There’s some funny stuff going on regarding navigable waterways in my area. Northwest ordinance declared all navigable waterways as highways free for all citizens and inhabitants. Couple years back, I was wading a creek to hunt wood ducks, when approached by a farmer telling me I was trespassing. I told him I was in the creek and it’s public. I was told that changed. I contacted ODNR and asked about it, and found out that “ground beneath the waterway” belonged to the farmer. You can float down it, but an anchor can’t touch the ground, nor are you permitted to wade it. I wrote everyone and got the standard run around. During which, I found out they’re even permitting homeowners on Lake Erie (which even the Ohio Constitution says is free) to build fences way out on the property at low tide, to prevent people from walking the beaches now, and many “navigable waterways” were being declared non navigable by the Ohio Supreme Court. Though no one ever gave me a straight answer, it turns out it was because of the Water Compact treaty Bush made with Canada. On the flip side, I wrote all the prosecutors of the areas I hunt and fished regarding this and they said they wouldn’t prosecute unless you were damaging the property, so if I get a ticket, I just have to go to court and plead not guilty and that will be end of it. But yeah, there’s some funny stuff going on with the waterways in my neck of the woods too. I assume it has something to do wtih sustainable devel

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 7:57pm

    Keep the ever growing threat of governance in check; they have for too long been allowedto run roughshod over our rights and freedoms. At the same time we have to maintain our vigiance in the protection of those rights; for without such vigiliance, they will in turn fall again.

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