SF Lawmaker Refuses to Recite Pledge of Allegiance
- Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:04am by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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There’s not liberty and justice for all, Jane Kim says. And until there is, the newly-elected San Francisco Board of Supervisors member will not recite the Pledge of Allegiance.
The Board opens up every meeting with a simple showing of American pride and patriotism. But while every other member of the 11-member Board utters the approximately 10-second long statement, and many put their hand over their heart, Kim does neither.
“I don’t believe we are a nation with liberty and justice for all — yet,” Kim told The San Francisco Examiner on Tuesday. “So a lot of my work is motivated by wanting to be a part of achieving that ideal.”
Kim calls the decision a “personal” one that she’s considered since high school, and she rejects the notion that refusing to say it says anything about her patriotism.
“I think I am very loyal to the country,” she told the Examiner. “I’ve expressed my patriotism through my years of doing organizing work, being a civil-rights lawyer and being a public servant now.”
The Examiner says the Board’s Pledge is required by its Rules of Order. However, the rule only says the Board president must lead the “Board and the audience,” and says nothing about requiring members to join in.
Before being elected to the Board, Kim served as the president of the San Francisco Board of Eduction. Before that, she served as an attorney with the Lawyer’s Committee for Civil Rights (whose “about” section includes progressive key words) and her bio lists a heading titled, “From Community Organizer to Elected Legislator”:
Kim’s fellow supervisor Scott Wiener, who sits next to Kim during the meetings, told the Examiner he has no problem with her silence.
“To me, it’s a way about reminding myself about our country and the liberties and democracy that we enjoy,” he said. “But there are many, many ways of reminding ourselves of why we love our country.”
The Pledge gained national attention during last year’s election season when the League of Women Voters was overridden twice by two separate debate audiences that were told the debates would not open with the recitation. And just three days before Christmas, a Massachusetts school sent a permission slip home requiring students to secure a parent’s signature in order to recite the patriotic words.
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Comments (328)
notsodumblond
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:27amI wonder if the pledge was a pledge for serving the government instead of the country if she would say it. Sounds to me like she thinks that America’s justice system is not enough, She wants some people to be treated better than others.
Report Post »powhatan
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:27amWow,,she is so groovy mannn…like don’t say the pledge mann,,,like make a statement mannn….people in SF can‘t get past the 60’s…
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:26amSay NO to bailouts for Californikooky!
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:24amThis is San Francisco. Enough said.
Report Post »matt708
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:23amGee did she let the people who voted for her, before they voted for her, that she was unhappy with the world and would not stand up for the USA. Being a community organizer is not patreotic, it’s more like being a union organizer
Report Post »Horizon3
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:21amNo surprise here! SF is the vortex of the Progressive Idiocy. Just look at the Moonbat they keep sending back to Congress.
Report Post »Honest Abe
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:20amThese are the “leaders” of the Progressive movement. Progressing into an age past the Constitution. Past Liberty, past Freedom and toward tyrannical rule by a ruling class of people. These people are dangerous, beware.
Report Post »RonaldoMagus
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:17am“I think I am very loyal to the country,” she told the Examiner. “I’ve expressed my patriotism through my years of doing organizing work, being a civil-rights lawyer and being a public servant now.”
Another WTF moment…. What Country is that Hanoi Jane???
Report Post »Conservo-Atheist
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:16amIs she from North Korea? ;-P
Report Post »gobluebuckeye
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:14amShe claims she wants Liberty and justice for all, but she wont pay homage to the nation that has fought hard to find it, and correct its problems of the past to be a more perfect union. Don’t forget our bloodiest war was fought to keep the promises our founders promised in the Constitution, our bloodiest war by far. If you cant pledge your allegiance to a nation that you are representing, then you have no business representing it. You dont work for a nation that is perfect, you work for a nation to help make it perfect. This lady has no clue, and is a typical lefty.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:21amThe liberty to exercise your own decision in what you will or will not say, is bedrock to our nation. Nobody should be forced, nor expected, to participate in “homage” to anything. It’s contradictory to hold the right of freedom of expression then demand conformity of expression.
Report Post »gobluebuckeye
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:54ambut she was hired to represent a citizenry from a nation she wont pledge her allegiance too. If you dont see the problem, then I cant help you.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:03am@gobluebuckeye
“but she was hired to represent a citizenry from a nation she wont pledge her allegiance too. If you dont see the problem, then I cant help you.”
Working for the government doesn’t mean you give up your own individual right to choose whether to pledge to something or not. What if they mandated a pledge to “our great leaders” as part of the meeting, in order to perform public service? Would you have a problem with that then? To say yes is to contradict your previous statement.
It’s stunning to me how well the propaganda worked for the progressives and socialists on this one. The right gets absolutely rabid about this now, where 120 years ago they would have railed against it for reasons that I outline. Those socialists really know how to do a mind job on societies, I’ll give them that.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:08amWhere does that mandate a pledge? Should she also be forced to wear red, white and blue clothing every day as well, and sing Yankee Doodle Dandy every day in a mass work formed chorus before being allowed to go home?
Individual rights apply to all, or none. We cannot pick and choose at our leisure and remain committed to the concept of liberty.
Report Post »gobluebuckeye
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:19am“What if they mandated a pledge to “our great leaders” as part of the meeting, in order to perform public service? Would you have a problem with that then? ”
So to make your point you have to make something up that’s not happening.???
“where 120 years ago they would have railed against it for reasons that I outline”
and now you pretend to know what people would have said 120 years ago, ummm ok.
My problem is just as I stated, yet its lost on you. The Pledge of Allegiance is just that, and as a public official, you now longer serve just yourself, you serve a nation, and if you cant pledge your allegiance to it then why should we assume you support it. This nation has done far more right then it has done wrong, we have helped the poor people in our nation and the world far more then any other nation that has ever been, and you cant pledge your allegiance to this nation. I am sorry but you blind patronage to all things anti-right is disgusting.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:27am@GoBlueBuckeye
“So to make your point you have to make something up that’s not happening.???”
It’s called a question to abstract in order to demonstrate a principle. You did not answer the question. Why is that?
“and now you pretend to know what people would have said 120 years ago, ummm ok.”
I know who wrote and pushed the pledge (a socialist wrote it, and it was pushed hard by the Progressives of the time, just watch your old movies for proof), and I know (or knew) plenty of WW2 and earlier hard conservatives that found it abhorrent. So yeah, kinda.
“My problem is just as I stated, yet its lost on you. The Pledge of Allegiance is just that, and as a public official, you now longer serve just yourself, you serve a nation, and if you cant pledge your allegiance to it then why should we assume you support it. ”
The irony of you choosing Ayn Rand as your icon strikes me particularly humorous this morning. :)
“This nation has done far more right then it has done wrong, we have helped the poor people in our nation and the world far more then any other nation that has ever been, and you cant pledge your allegiance to this nation.”
Oh, but I can. And as an American, I can choose not to as well, and I do not have to give a reason for justifying it. Liberty means just that, that you don’t have to be forced to do things like pledge.
“I am sorry but you blind patronage to all things anti-right is disgusting.”
All things anti-right? You must be new here, heh.
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:31amI think there is a larger point that both Ms. Kim and some posters are missing. The Pledge is a personal pledge that the reciter makes to be true to the principles on which our nation was founded and that the American Flag is symbolic of. You don’t make the Pledge for others, you make it for yourself. Ms. Kim is looking at it all wrong if she is waiting for every to be fair and just first, then she will personally pledge to work toward that end. Although, I would say that attitude is fairly typical for persons of her generation.
Secondly, the ideals upon which the United States was founded and built are never going to be fully realized. They are ideals. They are meant to be striven toward, but they can’t ever be fully achieved. When we recite the Pledge we renew our personal commitment to strive for those ideals. If a person feels they can’t make that Pledge, personally, then that’s fine. But, were a voter in her district I would work my arse off to be sure she was never elected in my district again, or I would move to another district. Either way, she would not be my representative for long.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:34am@cykonas
I agree with everything you just said.
If you don’t like her stand, then vote her out. If you don’t mind her stand, vote or vote against her based on other factors. In the end, that’s a path of liberty, and one I endorse as well.
Report Post »gobluebuckeye
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:50am“It’s called a question to abstract in order to demonstrate a principle. You did not answer the question. Why is that?”
because its not something that is, if A is not A then why reply to as directed question. When A is A and the question is asked without a pre directed course then i will answer you.
“I know who wrote and pushed the pledge (a socialist wrote it, and it was pushed hard by the Progressives of the time, just watch your old movies for proof), and I know (or knew) plenty of WW2 and earlier hard conservatives that found it abhorrent. So yeah, kinda.”
What does any of this dribble have to do with a elected official not pledging her alliance to our nation represented by our flag. Your logic is illogical. Anyone can know who wrote the pledge, sooooo what does that have to do with this current issue
“The irony of you choosing Ayn Rand as your icon strikes me particularly humorous this morning. :)”
yes she is my favorite Author of some of the finest books and philosophies I have come across, and whats your point?
“Oh, but I can. And as an American, I can choose not to as well, and I do not have to give a reason for justifying it. Liberty means just that, that you don’t have to be forced to do things like pledge.”
are you an elected official???
“All things anti-right? You must be new here, heh.”
ummm this Site is only a few months old and I have been here since its inception
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:58am@Ghost
Report Post »I see your posts in here frequently and in large part agree with them. I suspect you have probably spent more than a few hours reading Locke, De Tocqueville, Von Mises, Jefferson, the Federalists, et al. Freedom is really a pretty simple concept, but we all sometimes struggle with it. I sense that little by little more are starting to wake up though. Peace.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:02pm@Buckeye
“because its not something that is, ”
Ergo, philosophical discussions are pointless, since they normally involve questions not of what is, but rather of what should be. A is, as you say, in fact A. If I wish to illustrate the absurdity of somebody saying “We must kill all cows because they’re animals“ and I ask ”do you hold the same position for dogs” knowing when I ask that they own a dog, their retort of “that is not something that is!” is silly. The question I asked you was applying the same exact principle your against, freedom of choice and expression, to a question where I figured you’d find a contradiction. That you refuse to answer it tells me I may be onto something with the question. ;)
“if A is not A then why reply to as directed question. When A is A and the question is asked without a pre directed course then i will answer you.”
I asked the question to determine your consistency to principle. You refuse to answer and tell me “it is not!” which tells me you only work in concretes and do not abstract in order to determine philosophical principles.
“What does any of this dribble have to do with a elected official not pledging her alliance to our nation represented by our flag.”
Nothing. But it does have to do with your statement that I wouldn’t know anybody from that time period. I did (do), ergo, you’re wrong.
“Your logic is illogical. Anyone can know who wrote the pledge, sooooo what does that have to do with this current issue”
Ah, but again, you fail to reference your own statement I was answering. You may wish to avoid the logical path with me, I do logic in my sleep. :)
“yes she is my favorite Author of some of the finest books and philosophies I have come across, and whats your point?”
That she abstracts and asks questions that “are not! but could be”…even in her non-fiction, she used abstract examples and questions to demonstrate a larger point. Second, that she abhorred forced conformity, and in fact deliberately fled from it as a young woman.
“are you an elected official???”
Are elected officials in America, American?
“ummm this Site is only a few months old and I have been here since its inception”
And yet you state that I’m for all things anti-Right. If you’re not new, you’ve clearly never seen me post before, to make a statement such as that.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:11pm@cykonas
“I see your posts in here frequently and in large part agree with them. ”
I can actually make the same observation in regards to your posts. Very even handed and well considered from what I’ve seen.
“I suspect you have probably spent more than a few hours reading Locke, De Tocqueville, Von Mises, Jefferson, the Federalists, et al. ”
Oooh, a day or two you could say, a day or two. :)
“Freedom is really a pretty simple concept, but we all sometimes struggle with it. I sense that little by little more are starting to wake up though. Peace.”
Indeed. All we have is the power of persuasion, and few minds change overnight. In fact, minds that change over night frighten me. When a man comes to a philosophical position it should be after due consideration and contemplation. Easy converts are easily converted away.
Report Post »gobluebuckeye
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:35pm“What if they mandated a pledge to “our great leaders” as part of the meeting, in order to perform public service? Would you have a problem with that then? To say yes is to contradict your previous statement.”
OK I will answer this, no I would not because I will not pledge my allegiance to any one man or persons. “I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine” I will however pledge my allegiance to the principles found in our founding documents. I will pledge my allegiance to a nation that was started under the principles of self rule. That is why I can pledge my allegiance because it is a pledge to a nation which foundations was formed under the guidance of individual liberties and freedoms, and because of that I pledge my support of it.
Kim however is an elected official bound and swore in to defend and up hold the laws of our land, and the principles of our Constitution, and by not being able to pledge you allegiance to our flag, for me a conservative Libertarian, who is all for individual rights and choices, I have a problem with it. Is she free to do what she likes, of course, Can i bit*ch about it, I sure can. However, she is wont pledge her allegiance for things she sees our nations doing wrong, yet again, what about all the good we have done. Does it diminish the bad, no. But by refusing to make her pledge she is only acknowledging what we have done wrong.
And by labeling you anti-right, I was wrong and I pledge my apology to you.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:55pm@Buckeye
“OK I will answer this, no I would not because I will not pledge my allegiance to any one man or persons. “I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine” I will however pledge my allegiance to the principles found in our founding documents. I will pledge my allegiance to a nation that was started under the principles of self rule. That is why I can pledge my allegiance because it is a pledge to a nation which foundations was formed under the guidance of individual liberties and freedoms, and because of that I pledge my support of it.”
And I salute your patriotism in making the choice to pledge. That was never something I could or would dispute. Thank you for answering the question.
“Kim however is an elected official bound and swore in to defend and up hold the laws of our land, and the principles of our Constitution, and by not being able to pledge you allegiance to our flag, for me a conservative Libertarian, who is all for individual rights and choices, I have a problem with it. Is she free to do what she likes, of course, Can i bit*ch about it, I sure can. However, she is wont pledge her allegiance for things she sees our nations doing wrong, yet again, what about all the good we have done. Does it diminish the bad, no. But by refusing to make her pledge she is only acknowledging what we have done wrong.”
And that may well be the case, in fact I suspect that it is. My remedy is to vote people like her out of office if one does not believe that they uphold the values we all cherish. I‘m not stating that you’re calling for anything more, but an awful lot of people on this thread are suggesting murdering her “makes me want to chamber a round! And with Obama’s help I will!” at worst, deporting her (to where?), or forcing her to say it. Those positions seem to me to be inherently un-American regardless of the context.
What’s not un-American is to get her out of office the next election. That‘s all I’m saying. I would not, and could never, force somebody to “say something” against their will. It just doesn’t sit well with me, even if I vehemently disagree with the person’s politics.
“And by labeling you anti-right, I was wrong and I pledge my apology to you.”
Thank you. :)
Report Post »gobluebuckeye
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 1:24pm@Jefferson
“And I salute your patriotism in making the choice to pledge. That was never something I could or would dispute. Thank you for answering the question.”
I apologize for not answering it form the start. I do not know much about you, and I assumed you were attempting to redirect the point of what I was making to a category of something i was not. Many people will change the debate to fit their idea of the debate by directing a question to something that is not critical to the point, and my point was never if she could, but should she.
“And that may well be the case, in fact I suspect that it is. My remedy is to vote people like her out of office if one does not believe that they uphold the values we all cherish. I‘m not stating that you’re calling for anything more, but an awful lot of people on this thread are suggesting murdering her “makes me want to chamber a round! And with Obama’s help I will!” at worst, deporting her (to where?), or forcing her to say it. Those positions seem to me to be inherently un-American regardless of the context.
What’s not un-American is to get her out of office the next election. That‘s all I’m saying. I would not, and could never, force somebody to “say something” against their will. It just doesn’t sit well with me, even if I vehemently disagree with the person’s politics”
I agree, after all that is where our voice is put into play, were our words turn into action; the ballot box. However where I did wrong by you, and where you MIGHT have done wrong by me, is by grouping you into a category were you did not belong “anti-right”, but I am also not similar to vile voices that ask for the “murder” or “deporting” of her because of a belief she carries. I did not state anything close to such awful comments, nor would I even hold a thought like that in my head that I hide from others. There is nothing in her action that goes against the founders ideas, and if anything its a show of an individuals passion, but again my problem is that she is an elected official bound and sworn in to up hold the laws and principles of our laws. It just does not sit right with me that she would then refuse to pledge her allegiance simply because of the things we are doing wrong. By producing your pledge to our Nation, to me says I love this land if my land is doing wrong, by God in Heave it will be my love and passion of it that will push me to correct it. She chose not to do that, that is my issue.
“Thank you. :)”
I am thinking I jump the gun
Report Post »ILUVAMERICA
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:13amFire her!
Report Post »jgeezy
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:13amPeople are getting ridiculous. What is the big deal with saying the Pledge? If refuse to say the Pledge, that is your right, but I don‘t get why you wouldn’t say it. Unless….You refuse to pledge your allegiance to the United States.
Report Post »lcam67
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:13amwhere is she from… oh… nevermind
Report Post »Grady Curve
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:13amLet’s choose sides and see who survives
Report Post »tlewis
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:13amShe fits right in to the communist at the SF Board of Superviosors.
Report Post »deskpilot
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:12amSeems that this COMMUNITY ORGANIZER is cut from the same cloth as the COMMUNITY ORGANIZER in CHIEF.
Report Post »Their thoughts seem to be:
–No outward display of patriotism allowed;
–There is no justice until the wealth is redistributed;
–There is no liberty until Jesse Jackson and Al sharpton say there is.
–I’m more loyal to George Soros than the United States of America
Gita
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:11amAnother Obama zombie. WTF! Don’t love the country enough to pledge allegiance to it! Then get out!
Report Post »George Washington
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:25pmDid you ever notice how people who do not like it here, do not do anything to make things better or emigrate to another country which would put up with their crap? All they do is criticize, complain and, stir up trouble. We should send them all back to their ancestral homelands. Let them experience first hand, life in the countries their ancestors left in order to build a better life here, or came here to benefit from the sacrifices and hard work which others endured while building this great nation. The problem with modern day immigrants is that they come here to get whatever they can without contributing towards the costs involved with maintaining the public services and benefits they enjoy. To all of them, I say, If you do not like it here, just leave. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to live here. Ms. Kim. You can be ther first to go.
Report Post »Bigliardi
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:11amJust another San Francisco liberal mouthpiece….Civil rights lawyer, translates to ACLU I am sure..Nothing new here…..Yawn…….
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:11amWell, Kim, you can thank the progressives for that. If you really cared you would have your hand over your heart and would be reciting the “Pledge”. After that, you would take a serious look at why people and business’ are moving out of CA and try to implement change for the better. But, no, you are all about making a statement, no action as usual, just a statement of your perceived ideals. SF would be better served with a mannequin sitting in your seat.
Report Post »Cemoto78
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:18amExcellent. You really have this one right.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:39am@CEMOTO\
GRANDMAOF5 ***always*** has it right!
My impression of this “thing’s” attitude is that she wanted attention — AND GOT IT! She’s a Progressive attorney!
Personally, I agree with her on only one thing: the JUSTICE part. None of the 400+ court cases against Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro to achieve discovery of his alledged eligibility have been allowed. WHY NOT?!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:53am@Grandmaof5
Good morning, hope the weather is warmer for you today; it will be in the high 60s to low 70s in the region of phoenix. My cat is doing good, the other day she cristined herself with the flour box and I had to give her a bath – do not know who is more upset, her at the bath, or me for letting her get to the flour so it could dump all over her.
And yes for a time I considered changing her name to “flour‘ or ’snowball’
In the case with this woman, I have already left enough postings to express my opinion, so I will not beat a subject to death as I am overly fond of doing at times.
Wish you the best this morning Grandmaof5
Heard a joke one time concerning flordia “Why do the catfish get so darn big here? Simple, they get rid of the gators…you know ‘gator aid.’ “
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:08pmSnowleopard, that was a good one! Of course Gatorade was developed by a U or Fl professor, Go Gators! Weather is in the 60′s from a low of 32 this morning and we should continue to warm up a bit. Sorry about the flour and I would only bathe one of my cats as a last resort, fast claws. Hope you, CEMOT078, and SHOWTIME have a great day. And if anyone happens to be a “Gator hater”, I apologize for my gloating.
One thing I did notice the last time I re-read this article is that she is “very loyal to THE country, and not MY country.” I think she and Michelle Obama are of the same mindset, only I don‘t think the Obama’s love this country at all, or ever did.
Report Post »grannyjojo
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:26pmGrandma you are correct in every statement you have made. I agree 100%. Now, let me state MY reasons that I love the Pledge of Allegiance. In MY heart pledging allegiance to the flag is to the world where MY allengiance stands. I am a PROUD citizen of the United States of America. I’m just a regular person, I don’t get into the semantics or split words. I grew up with The Pledge. I taught my children and my grandchildren The Pledge. I believe in the PRINCIPLES of The Pledge. And yes, this may be corny but one of the BEST examples of explaining The Pledge of Allegiance to ME came from this one…Red Skelton. If anyone hasn’t heard it, the web page is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBTyTWOZCM Now everyone can tell me I don’t TRUELY understand the history of it, how we don’t have to say it. I understand and believe you don’t have to say it, thats what America is about but I do wonder why an American citizen doesn’t want to say it when I believe the principles of it are great and although we still strive for those ideals the fact we HAVE those ideals and can have discussions and believe differently is all I need. And just as an afterthought I think Mr. Skelton was somewhat prophetic when he made the statement about taking the words “under God” under attack by those who think its a “prayer”. As a Christian in what I consider a Christian nation, I believe it would be a disaster that would be UNTHINKABLE in this great nation to remove those words. I’ll NEVER stop saying The Pledge of Allegiance and will NEVER take the words “Under God” from my recitation of it. God bless all and continue your great work folks in the discussion of so many topics on The Blaze.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:55pmGRANNYJOJO, I loved your response and I agree. I cry at the Pledge, God Bless America, Star Spangled Banner, America, you name it; this is the greatest country ever and many of the youth in this country are being led towards a slippery slope from which they will never recover and don’t see it coming. I pray for the people to wake up, one by one, and realize what is happening. Have a great day!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:11amWell, she IS entitled to express her oppinion in not taking the Pledge, I will not condemn someone for exercising the right to not take the pledge in this case; as Scott Wiener put it nicely:
“To me, it’s a way about reminding myself about our country and the liberties and democracy that we enjoy,” he said. “But there are many, many ways of reminding ourselves of why we love our country.”
A moment of silence is acceptable to many faith groups across America who by custom of their own religious beliefs (christian ones) will not make the pledge. So, while she does so for a difference of reason and oppinion, the precidence is there.
Report Post »missy8s
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:10amAnother San Franpsycho commie!
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:10amThe irony of this is that the Pledge was written by a late 19th century american socialist, Francis Bellamy.
The original salute given during the pledge was not the hats-off-hand-over-the-heart routine but the “Bellamy Salute.”
Google “Bellamy Salute” and you‘ll see why it was abandoned in the early 1940’s.
I love history.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:20amDang it, I just got done posting the same thing. It‘s a shame I didn’t read down the thread first. You beat me to it. Meh! :)
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:37amOK guys, the history on the pledge is well known. The point is that now, in this time, the pledge of allegiance is accepted as such regardless of who wrote it. I recite the pledge without a thought of who wrote it but as a confirmation of my love of country.
Report Post »Besides, this woman won’t say it just because of the line that states “liberty and justice for all” claiming that the US is unjust. Not because of who wrote it.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:46am@Kate
“OK guys, the history on the pledge is well known. The point is that now, in this time, the pledge of allegiance is accepted as such regardless of who wrote it. I recite the pledge without a thought of who wrote it but as a confirmation of my love of country.”
And that is your right. But you recite the pledge without a thought to its origins or intent as you admit. I look at its origin and intent. Others do as well. We all have the right to not participate.
“Besides, this woman won’t say it just because of the line that states “liberty and justice for all” claiming that the US is unjust. Not because of who wrote it.”
And that’s her reason. She technically doesn’t have to give a reason at all. Forced conformity seems to me to be anathema to liberty.
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:09pmGhost, I think people who are elected representatives should not refuse.
You are right that I “recite the pledge without a thought to its origins or intent ”. My whole life I was taught that this is our nations pledge, knowing who wrote it does not change that.
“I look at its origin and intent. Others do as well. We all have the right to not participate.”
Of course you have the right to refuse, every bit as much as I have the right to feel uncomfortable about polititions who refuse to pledge allegiance to the US. To whom is her allegiance pledged?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:27pm@Kate
Holding office doesn’t mean you give up your rights.
I wouldn’t recite the pledge either, even holding office. Would you think me un American and some kind of communist/progressive stooge, knowing me as you do from our history on this site?
Me, I get suspicious of public officials that go to great lengths to follow the forms and customs and race each other to wrap themselves in the flag. 99 out of 100 times they are the ones voting in “fundamental change” while cooing to us about how much they love freedom. This is not to say I like the scraggly left, I don’t, but at least they’re open in their hostility.
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:47pmWhen I was a girl scout we recited a pledge. I also think that if the girl scouts recite a pledge before the meetings and you want to be a girl scout you should recite the GS pledge.
Report Post »…and no I would never call you unamerican, I have in fact grown quite fond of you and I always look forward to reading your posts.The problem of using yourself as a comparison is that I know a little about you. This woman is a stranger, and the only thing I know about her is that she refuses to say this country is just and provides liberty to all. Maybe we should change the line to liberty and justice for all who pursue it.
Untameable-kate
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:57pmGhost,
Report Post »I am going to go out and take my dogs for a short hike in the superstition mountains. If I don‘t reply it doesn’t mean I don‘t want to continue this it just means I’m gone hiking. Gosh it is beautiful here in Az today, it is sixty degrees in the shade on the north side of the house.
booger71
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:09amFrom Community Organizer to Elected Legislator
A familiar ring
Report Post »PreserveOurFreedoms
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:21amExcellent point.
Report Post »FreedomAdvocate
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:52pmI think Obama wold likely never have even passed the primaries if people had a better understanding of what a Community Organizer is, and the political histoy of them (basically most are based on Saul Allinsky’s methods).
I think if most people realized that such Organizers were basically leaders of activist movements (which tend to be extreme) or union labor coordinators (and often both), I think he would have been rejected.
Yet the media did not seem willing to educate the people on what the background of the candidate at the time said about him.
Report Post »missy8s
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:08amNot even close to loyal to the country or the constitution, just another San Franpsycho commie.
Untameable-kate
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:25am“I’ve expressed my patriotism through my years of doing organizing work, being a civil-rights lawyer and being a public servant now.”
I’m wondering, does being a community organizer and civil-rights lawyer make you disloyal?
or
Does being disloyal make a person want to be a community organizer and a civil-rights lawyer?
It is kind of like the chicken or the egg thing.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:27amAnd I’ll totally agree with you when you point out where in the Constition is the “Pledge of Allegience.”
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:47am@Untamable Kate
Not reciting the Pledge does not make one unamerican is true; the chicken and the egg comment is true, each of us in America has the freedom to express themselves as we wish. And there is no listing in the constitution for a pledge to be taken anyhow.
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:59amOf coerse Snow. There is also nothing in the constitution that requires me to buy health insurance. Since when does the constitution have anything to do with it? I did not say that she has to say the pledge, but how many proud Americans do you know who won’t say it just because of the injustice in society. Most of the true blue Americans I know are not opposed to saying the pledge saying,“I don’t believe we are a nation with liberty and justice for all”. There is liberty and justice for all in my opinion. If a person feels they are being treated unfairly they can bring it before the courts.
Report Post »RdsknsFtbll
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:21pm@Untameable-kate
neither…. what makes her disloyal is the fact that she refuses to show her allegiance to this country through the pledge… and for a ******** reason. her self appointed mandate that justice be 100% equal for all is ludicrous at best… its an excellent goal to strive for but its never going to be 100%… our system of law is so much more fairly distributed in this country than it is in any other country on the planet.. I challenge Ms Kim to show proof of another country that is in any way more fair to its citizens than is the USA.. she doesnt give any credence to the human variable involved in the issuance of justice…
now as a community organizer… why doesnt she organize the community to bring God back into our lives and into everything we do… or at least stop “organizing” it out of our lives…
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 1:28pm@Untamable Kate
My apologies for any offense I have given, I got the last part of my post wrong; meant it for another person and simply messed up. My mess, my ownership for it.
Report Post »goldcntry
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 7:10pmI suppose we should be thankful that she’s not being hypocritical about mouthing the words of the Pledge and then throwing everything it stands for under the bus of progressive socialism at every opportunity… like every other government ‘leader’ in California politics.
Report Post »PreserveOurFreedoms
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:07amThis is news?
The Commies in SF are known for this kind of thing.
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:15amKim’s fellow supervisor Scott Wiener, who sits next to Kim during the meetings, told the Examiner he has no problem with her silence.
“To me, it’s a way about reminding myself about our country and the liberties and democracy that we enjoy,” he said. “But there are many, many ways of reminding ourselves of why we love our country.”
In the country of ours we still, for now, have the right to express our personal oppinions in such a manner, many christian faiths – certain branches of Jehova’s Witnesses for example, do not believe in the Pledge due to matters of faith they hold.
If the people of the area want to set the greatest of examples, swamp the meetings she attends and when the call for the pledge is given; all join in, show the passion and love you have for the nation and be a testimony to the patriotism and devotion you have; yet express respect for those who honor the nation in their own way at the same time.
For any avowed communists and others who hate the nation; we can send them on a slow boat to the communist lands and let them live there.
Report Post »what4
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:15amThrow them all in the bay…the sharks need feeding!
Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:18amSan Fransissyco? I am not surprised. The place is infested with psychos, bums, and other forms of disgusting vermin.
PubliusPencilman
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:18amOh commie commie commie. She’s a commie–how dare she devote her career to serving her community! Now, if she owned 12 guns, a ranch in Montana and refused to pay taxes, then she’d be a patriot! Blah blah blah….
Cherished Emblems
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:19amWe need morals and God back in our society.
Report Post »Jim S
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:20am…and your point is ?….another non news story…how does a SF liberal saying or not saying the pledge affect anybody? I think the men & women currently fighting in two wars might be a bit more important, but that’s me.
Report Post »Cemoto78
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:24amI have to agree with her when she says there are inequalities with liberty and justice for all. The first thing that comes to mind is affirmative action, quotas in hiring of minorities and based on sex, etc. Until we move past some of these progressive mandated programs and judge each person on their merits and abilities regardless of their social standings and minority status, there is a problem with liberty and justice for ALL.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:25amSnowleopard,
There is on major flaw to your plan: Don’t you think your silly idea to “swamp” a board of supervisors meeting to express your devotion through spontaneous pledging will just make your “patriotism” look hollow and contrived compared to the people who actually showed up to do their jobs and work for their communities? Why is it that outside of the armed forces, those who bark the loudest about patriotism are the one’s who think it the most cheap and easy?
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:34am@Ghost of Jefferson
In agreement with you here; she does have the right to express herself in this manner.
Report Post »mrdbcooper
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:34amwher’s a super volcano when you need one?
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:39am@PubliusPencilman
After reading your post and comment I have to agree with you, swamping the meetings and such a display of intense patriotism would most likely not work. The ‘quiet, dignified’ approach of patriotism is the best way; I respect the people of are armed forces, those serving and who have served very much as many of my family have served – a birth defect of my hip and leg kept me from doing so.
Maybe if people from the area attended, and becoming more involved in the community would be a better means of showing the love for the country indeed; make her greater by the people becoming greater and succeding in what we seek to do with our lives, one step at a time and day by day.
Thank you for the post of yours.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:42am@MrDBCooper
Nearest SuperVolcano I know of is in Yellowstone Park.
By the way, I thought DBCooper is still buried in Pensacola?
Report Post »mikem1969
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:42amcommiefornia strikes again. Saying the pledge should be mandatory.
Cobra Blue
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:44amOk Missy..you don’t think we are a nation of liberty and justice for all. Well. why don’t you move…OH I don’t know…somewhere like China or Russia or Pakistan or Irag or Iran or Cuba…one of these fabulous countries where there is no liberty and there is no juctice for ANYl…AND THEN come back here (if you can get out of prison) and see if there is a difference. You make me sick to my DAMN stomach. A typical liberal progressive that wants to have it both ways. If you truly believed there was liberty and justice for all you wouldn’t be here. SHUT THE HELL UP! You serve our country as a civil rights attorney. Thanks but no thanks….one more progressive civil rights attorney we do not need. The likes of you do more damage than good.
mill
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:48amAmerica…love it leave it.
Does she have an allegiance elsewhere? No one should be comfortable with her not saying the pledge of our country.
Report Post »People like this should be watched carefully, is she a closet burka wearer????
TurnRight
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:50amThe Pledge of Allegiance is a statement of our ideals for which our nation strives, not a declaration of perfection. Many nations do not emphasize those ideals. To withold a pledge untill perfection is collectively attained? This young lady is intellegent enouph to understand this. She is simply playing to her liberal locals. It is disgusting.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:50amIsnt that LANG LANG’s (Obama’s personal anti American playing pianist)
Report Post »Wife?
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:52am@mikem1969
“commiefornia strikes again. Saying the pledge should be mandatory.”
False. Legally forcing the pledging of or to anything is something the Founders would have thrown you in the clink for doing, if you passed such a law. And rightfully so.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:59amRight to protest in this manner? Sure. No one’s contesting that. But that doesn’t mean we have to agree. And the point she’s trying to make is dead wrong. Point to the example of another nation with more liberty and more equality of opportunity. Point to the other nations where there is so much equality under the law that even leaders and rich men serve jail time for their scandals. Oh you think there are MANY examples of that in the world today? You are right! And ALL of them, to the extent they DO have these freedoms and this justice, owe to the United States of America and its Constitution the inspiration for the limited government constitutional republics they have. This chica is off her rocker not to appreciate the liberty and justice for all that DOES exist here in the states–insanity deepened by her choice of legal profession and involvement in a legislative body!
Report Post »Also, @Ghost – Pledging allegiance to the republic is NOT the same as pledging allegiance to a government. The Right likes the pledge because we recognize that‘s it’s important to publicly affirm solidarity with people who are willing to uphold the principles necessary for liberty and justice for all to prevail. The Pledge’s genealogy is irrelevant so long as the principles it affirms are right and true. Don’t twist a good thing.
Blight14
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:03amSadly, you are correct……I COULD recommend she ‘go elsewhere’……………
Report Post »Grasshopper42
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:17amI pledge allegiance to the flag (of the West India Trading Company, that’s what the US flag is. i.e. Great Britian) I think not. Do the history and find out for yourselves.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:22amWell now you’ve gone and done it Snowleopard. You ruined the whole argument. Next time please say something I can argue with.
Report Post »AriBenTZion
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:23amJane Kim is not at fault – the people that voted her into office are at fault.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:23am@Ghost
Report Post »You read “mandatory” in places where it wasn’t.
You read “Right” as something it can never be (belief in limited government can never lead to socialized medecine. You’ve fallen for the fallacy that right-wing = collusion between govt and large corporations.)
You believe “propaganda” has “worked” and therefore that I’l some unthinking robot on the precise points I demonstrate you have un-reflectingly mis-applied healthy suspicion of provenance. Which rather makes you the dupe here, not me.
And a terribly closed-minded and poor reader.
I bid you adieu.
KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:36amForeign Scum! Just because you have a piece of paper doesn’t make you American!
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:36amOur government is allowing a foreign invasion of our country and is doing nothing to protect us! They are allowing illegals to continue to pour across our Southern, Northern borders and shipping ports. They are allowing record numbers of foreign nationals into our school systems displacing our own students at the same time. They are not enforcing visa violations, they are handing out record numbers of visas and green cards. Millions of anchor babies and Birth Tourism! They are mass migrating Muslims to this country in which they have no loyalty to anything except Islam! They are actively trying to sell our countries land, businesses, and resources to countries like China.
The foreign invasion of America must be stopped NOW!
TexasCommonSense
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:37amShe says “I don’t believe we are a nation with liberty and justice for all”. Is there a country in the world where it does exist? Everyone seems to be in love with China these days. How about there? Anyone?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:42am@HappyStretchedThin
“You read “mandatory” in places where it wasn’t.”
Some here are calling for her to be forced to take the pledge. One gentleman is even suggesting that rounds need to be chambered. I post not just to you, but to the group.
“You read “Right” as something it can never be (belief in limited government can never lead to socialized medecine. You’ve fallen for the fallacy that right-wing = collusion between govt and large corporations.)”
False. If your argument were correct, then there would be no such thing as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, ADC, the BATF, and various other long standing government agencies.
“You believe “propaganda” has “worked” “:
I do. This thread is evidence.
“and therefore that I’l some unthinking robot ”
No, that’s your own assumption. Propaganda works against all kinds, smart, normal or plumb dumb. If it only worked on dumb people then it would be ineffective as a political tool.
“on the precise points I demonstrate you have un-reflectingly mis-applied healthy suspicion of provenance. ”
I can only go by history. The Right has accepted, and now vigorously defend, so many things that are, frankly, right out of the platform of the early 20th century Socialist party, that it’s hard to make the argument that “they’ll never accept!” in regards to anything. My reflection is tempered by reality and history, not unrealistic hope.
“Which rather makes you the dupe here, not me.”
Ah, name calling.
“And a terribly closed-minded and poor reader.”
So your contention is that disagreement with you means imbalance and bad skills on the person disagreeing?
“I bid you adieu.”
Decode ‘SMS speak’
Vous lirez ce message. :)
Report Post »Kaen
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:53amI bet she’d pray and put her hand over her heart if it was to stop the bleeding…socialist/marxist pigs…
http://explodingpuppy.blogspot.com/
opinions…not for the timid nor “Politically Correct”
pajamash
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:57amWhat is it about these “Community Activists” that they are so Anti-American?
Report Post »RdsknsFtbll
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:08pm@PubliusPencilman
Lets see… who refuses to pay taxes?? Oh thats right. Turbo Tax Timmy the guy in charge of the IRS.. Charles Rangel.. and how bout Oprah needing Tequila to get through the “signing ceremony” when she signs her taxe check… yeah a woman with BILLIONS has an issue with redistributing her wealth to others taht havent earned it… seems like someone is an idiot…+
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:11pm@GhostOfJefferson: Although I have to say that your history of the pledge is accurate, I want to remind everyone that elected officials are often “role models” for our youth…Christina Green met her fateful day when she attended the “Congress on the Corner” gathering…she wanted to attend because she admired Gabby Giffords and wanted to know more…young minds can not be expected to understand this kind of political diversity…AND…I‘d bet that most of the congresswoman’s constituents DO recite the pledge!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:23pm@AzDebi
“Although I have to say that your history of the pledge is accurate, I want to remind everyone that elected officials are often “role models” for our youth…”
If somebody chooses to recite the pledge out of conviction, that’s good. If they refuse to recite the pledge out of conviction, that’s good too. Both people would be good role models for Da Yoot.
“young minds can not be expected to understand this kind of political diversity…AND…I‘d bet that most of the congresswoman’s constituents DO recite the pledge!”
If we suggest that all public appearances mandate the pledge, then Da Yoot will NEVER understand political diversity.
The Soviet Union, when it first formed, had a way of getting past political diversity. They told the parents who had lived in a non-Soviet nation “We don’t expect you to believe in communism necessarily, but in front of your children you must show solidarity with communism”. Role modeling, if you will.
Report Post »What-A-Joke
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:23pmApparently that is what they want in SF? Just glad I don’t live there. We (meaning the rest of the country) better not be asked to pay our money to help them with their problems. THEY made their decisions, now THEY can suffer with the consequences of those decisions. We should NOT!!! half to bail them out of ANYTHING!!
http://www.clubseabreeze.net/TimPhillips
Report Post »birddogenu
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:27pmI have this to say about this IDIOT ! You and your attitude are appauling and a discrace to this great country. It is also a CANCER ! That spreads. You lady are an elected official and are supposedly a citizen of this country. WE CITIZENS of this country recite the Pledge of allegence the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. If you feel you HAVE NO allegence to our flag or our country. I suggest you take you communist butt to Russia, or BACK to China and do like the sheppard did and get the FLOCK OUT !
Report Post »birddogenu
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:29pmSF reminds me of a granola bar…. What aint nuts and fruits, is flakes !
NSAWATCHU
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:49pmSend Progressive Kim an e-mail and let her know your feelings.
Jane.Kim@sfgov.org
Report Post »Wilma
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 1:12pmCongresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz voted to make the Pledge optional in Florida schools.
Report Post »Rogue
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 1:21pmHer website lists endorsements from leaders in her community… looks like SEIU loves her – that’s all I need to know about her aspirations towards “liberty and justice” for all. Guaranteed that her definition of justice includes the word “social”.
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 1:52pm“So, goodbye Jenny…they seding me to san franscico….it’s this whole other country”
Report Post »Kaen
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 1:54pmSent her an e-mail…this was the response:
I am out of the office until 01/28/2011.
Note: This is an automated response to your message “Soooo….” sent on
01/27/2011 10:14:38.
This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away.
Gee…I wonder why…lol
http://explodingpuppy.blogspot.com/
opinions…not for the timid nor “Politically Correct”
Report Post »click4cheapandeasyweb
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 2:00pm“The Commies in SF are known for this kind of thing.”
B-I-N-G-O-!
Report Post »chazman
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 2:31pmJust walk down Mason Street and see how long it takes you to wanna flee for your life!
Report Post »SF is a sh*thole!
Secret Squirrel
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 3:22pm……………….
Report Post »She is now qualified to teach at Berkley.
chuck
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 3:46pmIt’s her freedom of speech, as misguided as it is, she is free to not recite it. She is dilusional, I ask what society is more open and free, yet follows the rule of law? What other system is innocent until proven guilty, and has miranda rights? What person is denied a ‘free’ education K-12? What person is denied to take a good idea and make a million bucks? Nah, she is a progressive schill, who is clueless as to what this country’s all about…bah…those kind of folks don’t know how good they have it, till it’s gone!
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 4:31pmAside from this ongoing debate on whether or not a free government should force its population to say the pledge on command, doesn’t it strike anyone here as a bit petty that The Blaze is picking on an elected member of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors?
For any of you who want to e-mail Jane Kim as at least one person claims to have done above–just don’t be such a jerk. What kind of self-righteous, holier-than-thou sunshine patriot thinks that picking on a local official in San Francisco is a good use of their time or in any way serves the interests of the republic?
Report Post »ozz
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 4:49pmLiberals do NOT love their country. They seek to destroy it and remake it in their own image. They are treasonous communists. They should not be allowed to hold any office.
Report Post »Kaen
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 4:57pm@PubliusPencilman
I did e-mail the pig…and I wasn’t nice…“Holier than thou art”? Hmmmm…I’ve led soldiers in combat for this country, I’ve Defended and upheld the Constitution of the United States for over 24 years…yeah…I AM HOLIER THAN SHE IS…the socialist/marxist pig…and I really don’t care if it is a waste of time…being crippled from injuries sustained while in service of the country…I have alot of time on my hands for pig bashing…and really could care less if she, you, or anyone else likes it…have a nice day…
http://explodingpuppy.blogspot.com
opinions…not for thetimid nor “Politically Correct”
Report Post »jblovesAmerica
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 5:45pmokay-cut off all Federal Spending in SF-no Federal Projects.
Report Post »No Military assistance when it would normally be offered.
And Ignore SF for better or worse.
15 minutes of fame???
perhaps
unless we ignore.
Kaen
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 7:09pm@PubliusPencilman
Democrats…Socialist, Marxist, Progressives, Liberals, nor anyone that supports them has any “Honor” and do not deserve the courtesy of such. Maniac?…lol…not really, just fed up with the cancer destroying this great nation and not afraid to call it like I see it. And as far as demeaning someone…Hell the collective pigs do it to the Conservatives, Tea Party, Republicans, et cetera all of the time…just returning the favor…
http://explodingpuppy.blogspot.com
opinions blog…not for the timid nor “Politically Correct”
Report Post »DisillusionedDaily
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 7:38pmJust what the country needs, another Organizer! I wonder if we can talk her into running for Pelosi’s house seat in 2012? I wonder if we can talk anyone into doing that? Siggggggggggh! Dreaaaaaaaaam!
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 8:30pmIMO no community organizer–nor civil-rights lawyer ought be confused with being a Patriot. I was trained to consider Gen.George Washington’s General Orders ,and utterances and anybody who would attack the pillars of Religion,and Morality claims the tribute of Patriot in vain.
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 9:34pm@HappyStretchedThin
Report Post »I’ve never seen you on here before. Lemme give you some advice before you assume you have trounced GHOSTOFJEFFERSON…. read a few more of his posts on other threads. This cat is hella smart and very balenced and philosophically correcty anout 95% of the time. just wanted to stop you before you look like a fool in front of the rest of the regulars on here….
AmericanSoldier
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:24pmWow, the comments on the Blaze never amazes me anymore. You speak of them being commie but forced allegiance to the motherland was a cornerstone of communist Russia, blind allegiance to the nazi regime. You speak for the desire of FREEDOM and liberty but want everyone to be forced to recite a pledge of allegiance? An allegiance to a Federal Government you oppose on a daily basis?
You cry for freedom but you smell of hypocrisy.
Report Post »royalstar
Posted on January 28, 2011 at 12:05amAnother community organizer run amuck! In reality she shouldn’t be allowed within 1000 miles of a school. It already has plenty of these types unfortunately. The pledge of allegience tells us what the government can’t do to us. That is probably her rejection.
Report Post »nptden
Posted on January 28, 2011 at 12:39amShe should be sent to ‘cultural sensitivity’ training….or at least reprimanded by the ‘Diversity’ officer.
Report Post »proantisocialist
Posted on January 28, 2011 at 6:35pmok public servant, how much are you compansated for you services,please include all health care and benifits…
Report Post »NWFLConservative
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 10:43amThis is so typical of the diseased America hating left who have completely infected that modern day Sodom and Gomorrah
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