‘Share The Pain’: MSNBC’s Mika Happy 47% Of Americans, Ironically Same Percentage Who Don’t Pay Any Income Taxes, Want To Redistribute The Wealth By Heavily Taxing The Rich
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upstateny
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:05amThey also believe it’s NOT redistribution of wealth, I was watching the Flipper and Bam Bam show until this segment was over, a person can only take so much. They believe raising taxes now to pay off the deficit is NOT redistribution because the money was already spent. These mental midgets are somewhat correct the money was spent but it went to others on the take, their followers. So I guess with their Pay it Forward concept when you front load the redistribution of wealth it’s not redistribution of wealth. Wow, what morons to them the color green is blue, light is actually darkness and they are not stupid.
Report Post »MeCpl13
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:04amYes of course it is redistributing the wealth, because they are going to keep spending and keep increasing entitlements. And how is it that heavily taxing the rich (and yes, I think near 40% of your income going to taxes is pretty damn heavy) is “fair” when most people don’t pay anything? We need a flat tax, for sure. And STOP THE SPENDING!!!!!
Report Post »en2deep
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:32amBut if they did that it wouldn’t promote the vision of their father John Maynard Keynes, Fabian Socialist pediaphile who believes gov’t spending is the answer to prosperity.
Report Post »dthej
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:04amso basically the deal is this; the ones who worked hard and were rewarded for their efforts now have to give it away to those who don’t work hard and have not earned it. sounds pretty fair to me..
we are tipping the scales towards socialism with each passing generation. I can still hear the All in the Family theme song ringing in my ears “didn’t need no welfare state everybody pulled their weight those were the days!” whatever happened to that America??
Report Post »vidyohs
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:34amI have news for you partner, you are behind the cruveball on this one.
America isn’t tipping, it was tipped long long ago. The tipping began with the importation of European style socialism along with all the immigrants that came here during the industrial revolution, it was cemented into our culture by FDR; and as a student in federally controlled schools (1946-1959) I was taught to worship St. FDR. The knocks against his advancement of socialism were glossed over in my Texas/Arizona school systems, but his socialist programs and “his saving of America” were glorified by my teachers.
During the late forties and fifties you couldn’t throw a rock in central Texas and not hit a farmer or rancher who was delighted to take that government money for not farming his south forty acres. People in this nation are far more indoctrinated to be and act socialist than they realize; and, until each of us does some serious introspection about who we are, what we believe, and what we do, only a rare few will ever realize that.
Report Post »vidyohs
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:02amIt seems the current argument being advanced by the looney left is that as long as one person in America has money, every American has money.
In their minds the only problem is that thing called access (to that money), that is what they are working to fix.
Report Post »Salamander
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:01amBack to my comment–There should be an IRS (Internal Revenue Service) AND an IDS (Internal Disbursement Service)–and nary the twain shall meet! One collects the money AND the other dispenses it! Then, maybe, we can get some meaningful reporting of revenues and expenses, by citizen ‘type’ without all the ‘under the table’ adjustments!
Report Post »brntout
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:01amIs that the 49% of people on the government dole?The rich became that way because of hard work and not handouts.I myself prefer to not want to be chained to some gov’t entitlement program and hope someday i get there through the fruits of my labor.Not sitting around and whining because i’m lazy and think someone else has to pay my way through life.
Report Post »Professional Infidel
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:00amOuch “share the pain” sounds like a communist block statement!!! Rendell’s got to be one of my favorits!!!
Report Post »hightide
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:58amAre they really this stupid? Do they really think THEY are going have wealth distributed to THEM? They are the wealthy…
Report Post »TelepromoterNChief
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:03amYeah they do.
Report Post »The check is in the mail.
Look for an envelope labeled “Some evil rich white man’s cut for you.”
Salamander
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:57amAOL has an irresponsible article out this very morning, castigating the very, very rich, the top 400 Ajusted Gross Income Earners, for haveing a 17 % AVERAGE tax rate when the rest of ‘us’ pay 9%! They blast the super-rich, who have a 35% MARGINAL tax rate as if THAT should be their AVERAGE tax rate! I am SO SICK of STUPID arguments, STUPID press, STUPID congressmen and a STUPID and GREEDY PUBLC, including THOSE who pay NO taxes and think the rich should pay more! THEY DO PAY MORE!!! What have YOU done for your country lately! Perhaps we should ALL pay more, BUT NOT UNTIL congress, the President and our States get spending under control! GET IT? (They DID get ONE THING RIGHT! The Tax Collector should NOT be the WELFARE DISTRIBUTOR! THOSE FUNCTIONS NEED TO BE SEPARATED! Let one Agency collect the taxes, ALL the taxes! And, let another agency DOLE out the dole! Then, we can see BOTH hands on the TABLE and eliminate the SLEIGHT OF HAND that our Tax Code has become!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:59amAOL leans so far left they can barely stand up. Dump them, I did.
Report Post »Salamander
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:07amI only look to see what the other side has on their reading table! Scary!
Report Post »nanchuan
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:57amwhat RIGHT does anyone have to what someone else has earned. funny how 47% don’t have pain at least in the sense of seeing their hard earned money stolen by the feds. i pay around 45% of mine. how is everyone sharing the pain if we pay more for THEIR benefits and they pay less. i don’t understand this logic or lack thereof. why is there an assumption that a person is not entitled to what he or she earns? if you follow that logic to its conclusion there is a very ugly result.
give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him to fish and he eats for life, if he should CHOOSE not to fish, then he starves.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:56amWhen the POTUS continually demonizes a certain group of people, it legitimizes class warfare for a lot of people.
Report Post »jedi.kep
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:55amAny time I have to watch Ed Rendell, there is absolute and total pain.
Report Post »Salmad
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:55amLet’s start out taxing the athletes and Hollywood scum bags first!
Report Post »Professional Infidel
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:55amPoor Bit-h, Clueless Bit-h, Mouthy Bit-h.
Report Post »kookie
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:54amAnd she thinks Sarah Palin is dumb?
Report Post »Col.Bat Guano
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:31amTouche.
Report Post »thermonator
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:54amIronic that they are for everyone “sharing the pain” except for those who are benefiting from ‘the pain”.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:37amSimple solution:
If they and the Fed’s want us to share in the pain, then they need to do so as well; cut the government across the board and put a portion of the revenues exclusively to paying down the debt of our nation.
THAT would be fair for all, share the pain from the Fed’s on down.
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:54amSad thing is, the same 47% that doesn‘t pay taxes aren’t all the ones that want to redistribute the wealth. I am military and havn’t had a tax liability in 4 years. Not my fault, but I will gladly pay something and know I don’t want the redistrobution. Most people don’t become millionaires because they were given the money. They know how to save.
Report Post »JohnnyJT South Philly
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:53amIs the Drive-By Media EXEMPT from the Higher Taxes they PREACH?
Report Post »en2deep
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:10amYes, just like they are exempt from reducing carbon footprint that they preach to us.
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:53amtools
Report Post »Wilma
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:53amPoll is meaningless because “rich” is a relative term.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:18amwell put
Report Post »Skippy Toes
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:27amWe will see how much the American folks hate the rich when they put really rich guy Donald TRUMP in to the White House. HAHAHAHAHA :)
Report Post »Rancher2
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:52amThe fair share is a fair tax. I am of the opinion that a truely fair is the Fair Tax or consumptive tax !
Report Post »lel2007
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:17amWhy not just a plain old Flat Tax Percentage? You make a buck, you pay gov a percentage. Worked great for the mafia.
Report Post »8jrts
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 1:36pmRancher,
I agree with you. If you buy something you pay tax. If you work you keep what you earn.
lel2007
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:17am
Why not just a plain old Flat Tax Percentage? You make a buck, you pay gov a percentage. Worked great for the mafia.
My only problem with that is there are way too many people who don’t earn anything, just sitting around getting fat off others hard earned dollars. They are ones receiving the benefits, not the workers. If every one paid on what they buy, the illegals, mafia/drug people/criminals and those fat lazy people too…not just the working joe, revenues would sky rocket. They talk about spreading the wealth..how about spreading the pain.
Report Post »mcFirst
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:52amthere she goes again. she kills me. i do like watching her eyes move as she scours her brain for a thought.
Report Post »Salamander
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:05amLike chalk on a blackboard!
Report Post »upstateny
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:10amI like it when her brain fart’s are completely dismissed by everyone. She gets her personal self pity party going. You can see it in her eyes, it’s great to see a Communist with a look of dejection on their face.
Report Post »RLTW
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:23amLove the still picture of her on the Blaze.
Mika… Look I’m a unicorn!
Report Post »An AmericanMom
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:51amI‘m thinking we might be watching the new winner of America’s most stupid anchor person….she could get my vote!
Report Post »Salamander
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:03amJust remember–you can’t fix STUPID!
Report Post »mill
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:34amTHE BLAZE alone is making this anchor famous. If not for the BLAZE and their never ending coverage of her..no one would know who she is.
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:04amMill you are so right but I still don’t know who she is………Don‘t listen to these VIDs so I really can’t comment. Why would I care what she has to say when she’s a stranger??
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:50amMaybe Mika can take a breather from pandering and fire her bus load of tax accountants.
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:56amWonder if she lives as a popper. I guess maybe she believes the poor lives like her. The rich that love to spout off about the uber rich not shareing is just pathetic. None of these hacks live off only $50k/year, but want others to raise those that pay nothing in taxes out of the ghetto.
Report Post »Bluebonnet
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 11:54amWho is Mica and better, who is her father? Both must be classic liberal idiots in any case. Have only seen what she “is” because of the Blaze. Poor Joe! Taxes? I’d be glad to pay more than my share if the Government will give me a signed promise, “they will only spend it carefully” for the betterment of our country and not more give-away programs to those who refuse to work and pay their share.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:49amCan I post yet??????
Report Post »lovenfl3
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:53amThis is why we need to institute the fair tax. It’s the best way to get rid of all of the class warfare that is ripping this country apart. This is why Obama is the great divider, not the great uniter as he was sold to the American people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nTMaT_9QGo Of course the people that don’t pay any taxes at all want the rich to pay more. With the fair tax, we’re all in this together.
Report Post »BIGJAYINPA
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:56amIf they want the “wealthy” to pay more, lead by example. There is nothing stopping these people from giving more of or all of their money to the government. Oh wait, I‘m sorry these types only spend other people’s money not their won.
Report Post »Wilma
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:57amI’ll pay more in taxes when public union members pay more into their own pensions.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:59amRedistribution of wealth doesn’t make more rich people; redistribution of wealth makes more poor people. How is that a good thing?
Reduce the deficit by reducing spending. Common Sense.
Salamander
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:02amThey kind of ran the Race Card into the ground; so now, they need to play the Class Card!
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:03amWow I haven’t had any post show up all weekend……FRUSTRATING !!!!!!! I was confined to posting on the Huff Po so pray for my quick recovery PLEASE !!!!!!!!!
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:04amSorry for the unrelated posts but I was goin’ CRAZY up in here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »BigBouy
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:07amSo Ed, if everybody has to feel the pain does that include the 50% in this country that don’t pay taxes?
Report Post »Miami
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:08amThose who take want to keep taking, why work for it when you can get it from someone else and get the evil rich guys…
Can they come up with something new…?
Or produce something instead of milking the system…?
Mika is just like her father….a Marxist and anti-Semite.
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:08amAt a 17% tax rate the average of the top earners who make $345 million per year pay a staggering $63.75 million in taxes every year. Do they use $63.75 million in government services every year? Does their driving damage the federal highways to the tune of $63.75 million every year?
Do you suppose someone who makes $345 million every year spends enough money in that year to create a few jobs? Yes, they probably buy expensive items like Mercedes’ and Ferraris and Rolex watches and do you suppose the people who sold them those things takes the earnings from those sales and goes and buys groceries and pays the mortgage and buys cars themselves?
Will some liberal please tell me how it is fair for someone to pay $63.75 million in taxes and still, after paying all that money, the President has the gaul to stand up and say that the people who make this kind of money must contribute even more?
Do you liberals have any idea how much commerce someone who makes this kind of money produces? And do you understand that the more money you take from them, the less commerce they will be creating?
Please, tell me how one person paying $63.75 million in taxes every year is fair to them?
Waiting…
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:08amWhy do the people even listen to, let alone watch these lunatics of the left from those of MSNBC?
Report Post »Kurty C Wipe
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:09amYear from now…..we’ll be standing around scratching our nuts…..where did our revenue go????
Thats right!!! It left the country!!!!! Parasites just want more, again. Cut spending? can’t do that.
Report Post »right-wing-waco
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:09amLets start with these idiots paychecks. Lets make them real proud and happy and take 60%. Never ceases to amaze me how one group can so easily talk about taking someones property to redistribute to someone else. Notice how they NEVER think of cutting the overspending.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:12am@WatchtheOtherHand:
Stuck posting on the HuffPost only? Ugh, my sympathies to you.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:13am@Blazers across the land:
If these morons at MSNBC want the nation to ‘share the pain’ then what we need to do is also see the federal government share the pain by CUTTING BACK across the board on spending and get off the back of the people of America.
If the government expects us to ‘share in the pain’ they need to do the same as well.
Report Post »vidyohs
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:16am@lovenfl3
People who want to change a tax system that they do not know, therefore do not understand, just scare me to death. You find the frying pan uncomfortable? Just jump in the fire for an instant roast.
Your “fair tax” would take away my ability to not pay a “fair” share of:
The money spent by government to falsely imprison and ultimately kill all the people at the Koresh Compound at Mt. Carmel, Tex.
The 600 million dollar gift to ADM from the Clinton administration to advertise their products overseas.
The 300 million dollar gift to The Popcorn Council of America by the Clinton administration to advertise popcorn overseas.
To buyout GM and give it to the unions.
To promote man caused Global Warming.
To watch the President sit on his thumb and use tax dollars in his promotion of the violent criminal union uprising in Madison, Wi.
I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on, but you get the idea (I hope).
I for one do not object to sending in some tax money for the things I believe it is good to have a government perform; I object strenuously to sending in tax money to see it thrown down the sh(eye)tter the moment congress gets its hands on it.
Report Post »Darryl K
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:24amThis business about the top 1 percent is just another wedge issue to distract from governmental ineptitude and irresponsibility regarding being able to balance their budget. If they operated like a business, and had all their ducks in a row fiscally, you wouldn’t hear a peep about all this class warfare garbage. The fact is they are pathetically ineffective, and they are out of cash. They have to grab more money from their people, and it much easier for them to pit 99% of the governed at 1% of the governed, rather than have 100% of the governed pitted against the governing.
Report Post »TheLascone
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:51amWhat goes up must go down ….
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ishka4me
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:04amgreat, 47% have their food, housing, clothing, education, heating, transportation, heating and medical cots paid by those who work. every tax hike increases their standard of living
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:13amfor activist tea party. Go to state and federal employee parking lots and video the cars of these very needy federal and state employees.
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:14am@ LovenFl3
If you mean by “fair tax” a Federal Sales Tax I am with you! If otherwise you mean fair Tax as in income tax I am NOT! Look up the definition of “income” and know that even the Kennedy’s make very little “income”. I want ALL income tax abolished and a Federal income tax installed that is constitutionally set and never to be increased because some senator wants the Cowboy Poets to get a little “extra”!
Report Post »mossbrain
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:17amFair tax is BS. Why be fair with the rich? Many of you have worked hard your whole lives for low wages while upper management lives high on the hog. Life is not fair, neither should taxes be fair.
Tax the rich with high rates. Most of the rich don’t even want to pay a penny in tax on their investments, Cain for one. Isn‘t that nice they take the millions they make working you like slaves and then make much more money not even having to work and they don’t want to pay a penny in tax. Meanwhile they want to take away your social security and medicare. A bunch of greedy monsters and yet you would be just like them if you had a chance. Many of you are completely naive about the dishonesty and cronyism that goes on for the wealthy to screw the little man.
AzCowboy
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:20amA SIMPLE COWBOY’S ONE YEAR BUDGET PLAN
Data: Source- U.S. National Debt Clock (all data is approx.)
652,000,000,000 added dept per year
111,213,000 Republicans, Democrats, Independents and Illegal Aliens paying taxes
1% of Taxpayers = 1,112,000 million people
4% of Taxpayers = 4,449,000 million people
5% of taxpayers = 5,560,000 million people
15% of Taxpayers = 16,681,000 million people
75% of Taxpayers = 83,410,000 million people
If:
1% of the Taxpayers paid an additional 217,000 in taxes per year
4% of the Taxpayers paid an additional 29,000 in taxes per year
5% of the Taxpayers paid an additional 13,000 in taxes per year
15% of the Taxpayers paid an additional 7,000 in taxes per year
75% of the Taxpayers paid an additional 1,200 in taxes per year
THE DEPT CLOCK WOULD STOP TICKING
This is using Tax increases only. If spending were to be cut by 50%, then these numbers of outlay would be cut by 50%. Any percentage of spending cuts would be reflected on the above.
Note: There are far more factors involved. If we can’t just do this, all there 10-12 year budget numbers are for moot. JUST A THOUGHT. (sorry, I couldn’t make it 2300 pages)
A Humble Cowboy
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akc123
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:21amTheir hypocrisy never ceases to astound me. So many of these people are just lazy welfare bums who think they have it so bad. How would they feel if the government decided that they are rich compared to all the homeless dirt poor people in America and decided that they needed to confiscate all of their government (taxpayer) bought items and give them to those poorer than themselves? Like their government housing, government food, government clothing, government ipods, tv’s, cars (Yes, if you know the right people to talk to in social services, they (taxpayers) will buy these things for people. It’s so sad that they are like parasites, but they know no better…
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:46amI am not sure that a FAIR tax OR a FLAT tax would solve the problem THOSE that are already NOT paying taxes will be getting their TAX money BACK.. so AGAIN those that WORK and PAY IN will STILL be paying and those that are NOT still WON’T..
Report Post »I live in IL so we just had our taxes INCREASED not a small amount 66% SO now I pay the federal government 24% of my taxes to cover healthcare for the POOR (10.7%) which at LEAST 1/3 of those that should have NOT been born in this country.. hold DUEL citizenship with another country.. whom WE most likely give financial aid to like MEXICO.. who are ATTACKING our southern borders.. while I pay another 2% so the government can tell us how our borders are safe and there is NO SUCH thing as illegals.. THAN I get to pay into MEDICARE for when I retire however after paying in for the last 34 years I will NOT be able to get it cause they are changing it for those that are under 55 and I started working when I was 16.. AND I get to pay for my CURRENT insurance.. so out of my money I get to pay for 3 different healthcare plans..
those that pay in taxes should go to the government website for a tax receipt.. and just look at how things are divided up.. than write to their reps and ask them to DEFINE some of the departments that are sorta just sitting there with NO real explanations..
jmmjr49er
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:50amDo you think Lil’ Mika is kicking down an extra 10 to 20% to the IRS? She is a winner in Life’s Lottery.
The answer is no. Mika is like all other little Liberals, they want you to pay more taxes.
Report Post »right-wing-waco
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 11:00amWe don’t have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
Imagine this scenario:
Hey boss, over the weekend I gave $1,000 to the Goodwill, $3,000 to the homeless shelter, and another $5,000 to a cancer hospital. Oh, I also bought a new car, and a boat, and I signed up for a trip in a private 747 to bf Egypt to join in a protest of something. Listen up, boss, I demand a 30% raise to pay for my spending spree.
What do you libs think would happen? This is just what the Federal Government does.
Report Post »drphil69
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 11:09amNo.
Report Post »abc
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 11:12amPeople who say that nothing is stopping the rich to voluntarily pay more taxes totally miss the point. We never ask people to voluntarily pay for improvements and upgrades to our highways or to voluntarily fund the replacement of an aircraft carrier. We DO have collective goods in this country and they are always paid for with taxes. To argue that we move from this compulsory system to a voluntary system is beyond stupid. People ought to think before they open their mouths, including the Senators and Representatives that have made this ridiculous suggestion.
As for the 47% number. It is not ironic that it is the same percentage. It is coincidental. I pay more taxes than most, but I think that the rich need to pay more since those that are not paying income taxes are suffering. First, they DO pay many other taxes (e.g., payroll taxes, sales taxes, etc.). Second, they are barely scraping by, which is why they do not pay income taxes. There is not a single rich person in America that would trade places with them. So to say that they are wrong to criticize the rich, who are NOT paying their fair share or, at least, have not been asked to sacrifice at all during the last few decades while the middle class has shrunk and the poor have increased, is just an unbelievably callous statement to make. The average American believes that the country has much more equal wealth and income distributions than it does, and if they knew the truth, then there would be more than 47% demanding that those distributions become more equal. The anti-union policies and pro-rich tax policies of the GOP are what has largely caused the massive income and wealth inequalities that the vast majority of Americans do not support, and it is about time that this changed. What is interesting is that as the spending-more-than-you-earn party ends, more and more Americans will start to resent the income and wealth inequalities and will seek redistribution. Add to this the great reduction in social mobility in this country, and you have a recipe for major attitude changes of the middle class towards the wealth. And this is not merely the rhetorical claims of class warfare that the GOP uses against the Dems. Rather, this is what happens when people revolt against unfairness on a widespread scale.
Report Post »right-wing-waco
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 11:42am@ ABC
Ok, then I suggest the following to make everything “fair”. We should set a maximum amount that anyone is allowed to keep. The rest should be taken and given to those that did not make that much. That way everyone is equal. Somewhere I heard this saying; Give a man a fish and he will eat for today, teach him to fish and he will eat forever. It’s time to stop giving out fish to those able to fish.
Report Post »right-wing-waco
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 12:48pm@ 8jrts
Report Post »Thanks for the link to the video, that was a great video. Harry Reid just told us all that he is an idiot. Taxes are voluntary but you can’t not volunteer. Duh!!!!!!! This is like saying that going to prison for a crime is voluntary. And people insist on continuing to “trust” the government. Succession is looking better all the time.
abc
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 1:24pmWaco,
It’s not about forcing everyone to be equal. It’s about making everyone sacrifice to cover our debts. Conservatives like to say that you never have to pay for a tax cut, but this is totally false. If I borrow money from the bank and then fail to pay it back, they will not care whether the reason was because my revenues were too low or my operating expenditures were too high. They just want to be paid back. Similarly, the creditors to the US government do not care whether the tax revenues were too low or the expenditures were too high. They just want to be paid. Now, because the rich benefited disproportionately from the reduction in top-bracket tax rates from the 50% paid under Reagan to the 35% under Bush (although many pay far less than this because they characterize their income as capital gains, as private equity and hedge fund managers and others do), they ought to now pay for the deficits that they ran up because of tax cuts that were not paid for. In addition, they are in a better position to pay since they can handle the pain that the middle class, already squeezed as it is, cannot.
Words like “fair” do not have a black and white meaning, but most people would agree that if undertaxing the rich is part of what has caused the deficits, and these folks are in a position to pay, then they ought to man up.
Report Post »nptden
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 1:53pmIsn‘t it wonderful to have Communist’s in power.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_alinskys_rule.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/obamas_alinsky_jujitsu.html
Report Post »right-wing-waco
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 1:55pm@ ABC
Report Post »It doesn’t matter how much the tax is, who or how much of a sacrifice is paid. Government will ALWAYS spend it all and then demand more. That is why the Founders wrote Article 1 Section 8 into the Constitution. The 18 enumerated powers of Congress. They are the only lawful functions of the Federal government. The rest are State issues. Government must obey the Constitution. It’s a spending problem, not a revenue problem.
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Posted on April 18, 2011 at 2:06pmWe have decided as a society to build interstate roads, telecommunications systems and airline routes, which the founding fathers likely could not have imagined would be as large-scale as they are. We also have decided to invent national regulation regimes to follow the national and even international scope of commerce. The founding fathers could not have imagined this either. And all of these things are good and worthwhile to spend on. We just need to pay for them.
I do not understand how conservatives quote all of this 18th century rhetoric while ignoring how much better society is today than when Thomas Jefferson was President. Every country in the world has emulated the US not to have an 18th century style of economy and society but a 20th and 21st century one. But this requires money to be paid.
Now, you can say that more of this should be paid at the state level. Fine. Let the money go there, but it still requires more money than what a 25% tax rate will support. If you don’t like safety nets and regulations and all the things that the government does, then move to Iraq. Their standard of living is about where ours was 150 years ago.
Finally, the Supreme Court has ruled that the current spending is constitutional, so you cannot argue that the founders would be appalled at the spending. You are not the ultimate arbiter. Those justices are.
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Posted on April 18, 2011 at 2:27pmABC
If we simply allow the government to ignore the Constitution and do whatever they want, we essentially have NO RIGHTS. The Founders installed a method into the Constitution to amend it. Without amending it they do not have that power and BTW the Supreme Court does not have any authority to decide what the Constitution means. Read Article 3.
Allowing States rights allow the states to decide if they wish to spend money on a program. The state level is closer to the people and that is why the Founders did that. If we are going to ignore the “Supreme Law Of The Land”, the Constitution then why should any of us obey any laws at all.
Report Post »Rogue
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 2:46pmMakes me sick when progressives, like Joe, say “This isn’t about redistribution THIS TIME…”. Hello? Do they really believe the Government is going to take that extra revenue and actually pay down our deficit? They are on crack.. more tax money means more spending to the Feds. Enhanced funding of entitlement programs is more handouts by the Government, meaning it is precisely redistribution that is being discussed EVERY time.
I’m waiting for Obama to come out with some solid numbers on how much money he will raise with additional taxes, and where that money is to be spent. He would have to take 100% of all income earnings from everyone over $200k just to balance the annual budget he has proposed.
Report Post »en2deep
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 3:15pm@ABC You are wrong in so many ways but I just want to address the one about the courts being the final arbiter of what the founding fathers said (constitution). Wrong, they believed the people would have to be the ones to protect the constitution, because they understood how evil gov’t can be. Thats why they gave us the 2nd amendment. We are the final arbiters, don’t forget it.
Report Post »SPOT_OF_TEA
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 3:44pmThere should be a law that states that no one in the world is allowed to have over a billion dollars worth of assets…..Believe me if Oprah,Gates,Buffett and Soros were forced to give up their fortunes,you would not hear another word about the rich having to pay their fair share.
Report Post »avenger
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 4:36pmmika…we need to talk about your wealth…call me…
Report Post »abc
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:34pmWaco and En2Deep, you guys are wacked. Whether a law is constitutional or not is determined by the Supreme Court of the US, ultimately. All of the spending that you guys claim is unconstitutional can be challenged, and much of it has been over our nation’s history. That it is still in place means that it was held constitutional, like the multiple rulings related to income tax, the commerce clause, the establishment clause, the separation of powers. Only CRAZY people claim that these rulings don’t matter because we, the members of the GOP, conservative movement, Tea Party or whatever, know better. And they have their guns and special knowledge and they’re allowed to enforce their “special” reading of constitutional law. This is all crazy talk. It really is. Not because I say so, but because the Supreme Court says so, as does our Constitution.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:00pmFollowing the Communist Manifesto with class warfare.
Report Post »Zeus In A Speedo
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:07pmMika…I am a CPA and former state tax auditor. Please employ me to do your taxes next year! I will make sure you pay THE ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM AMOUNT beyond what the law mandates. Hell, I’ll make sure you file late so that you can pay penalties as well to the IRS. If you want the rich to pay more (and I’m sure you qualify to be in this category), I’ll have you paying LOTS MORE!
Come to think of it, I can start a new business and advertise on msnbc…”Max Tax Master.” Are you a rich limousine liberal and feeling guilty about you low taxes? At Max Tax Masters, we’ll have you paying much more than the legally madate amount. We’ll have you filing late to pay the IRS penalties; in fact, we‘ll have you being the IRS’s best friend!
Tell me Blazers, do you think this is a winning business?
Report Post »right-wing-waco
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:00pmABC
Report Post »If Madison and the Founders were here right now, who would you ask as to the meaning of the clauses you listed? The Founders or the current Supreme Court? I would hope you would ask the actual writers of the Constitution. Well, surprise, you can ask them. There are literally 1,000′s of letters and documents from that time period and they are available to read. Another good source is a 3 volume set called “Records of theFederal Convention – Vol. 1,2,3″. These are the notes taken by the people that were actually there. The Supreme court is to interpret laws in relation to the Constitution, not the other way around. It amazes me that we no longer have 3 separate branches of government. They now have joined against the very people that are supposed to be their boss.
tower7femacamp
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:51pm47% don’t pay taxes ??? No SSI, No property tax ? no sales tax ? Gas Tax?
Let’s see a family of 4 living on 33,000 a year may not pay federal income tax
But Billionaires like warren Buffet pay 17% and how much does gas taxes effect
these people ? You have to look at the cost of living, let‘s say everyone’s
basic costs food ,water,shelter, autos,insurance,fuel heating and cooling
equal a unit of $33,000 let’s say a living unit.This is the same for every American, so
every dollar above that is extra, well some of these guys are making hundreds of Millions a year
so who is really paying more ?
http://seekingalpha.com/article/133090-goldman-sachs-tarp-went-to-buffett
search Hank Paulson 700 million tax break.
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