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‘She Had a Piece of Her Arm Hanging Out’: New Details About Horrific Oakland Shooting

OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) — One wounded woman cowered in the bushes after the gunman opened fire on the campus of a small Christian university. One student hid in a locked classroom as the shooter banged on the door. Another heard the shots and ran to safety.

All within an hour Monday, police said, a 43-year-old former student named One L. Goh walked into Oikos University, and began a rampage that left seven people dead and three people wounded, trapped some in the building and forced others to flee for their lives.

It was an “extremely chaotic scene,” police Chief Howard Jordan said.

Soon after the shooting, heavily armed officers swarmed the tiny college of fewer than 100 students in a large industrial park near the Oakland airport. For a time, police believed the gunman could still be inside. But he wasn’t.

Instead, officers said he apparently drove about three miles from campus before surrendering to officers inside a supermarket.

“It’s going to take us a few days to put the pieces together,” said Jordan said. “We do not have a motive.”

Jordan told “Good Morning America” on Tuesday that the suspect was “upset with the administration of the school” and that the suspect had been “mistreated” and “disrespected” by students.

Those connected to the school, including the founder and several students, described the gunman as a former nursing student. The chief said Goh is a South Korean national who’s a former student of the university.

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Police first received a 911 call at 10:33 a.m. reporting a woman on the ground bleeding. As more calls came in from the school, the first arriving officer found a victim suffering from a life-threatening gunshot wound, he said.

More officers arrived and formed a perimeter around the school on the belief that the suspect was still inside, he said.

“Potential victims remained inside the building either trapped by a locked door which officers were unable to open,” Jordan said. Others were unable to flee because they were injured, he said.

Jordan said there were about 35 people in or near the building when gunfire broke out. Of the seven fatalities, five died at the scene and another two at the hospital. The wounded victims are in stable condition, and at least one person has been released from the hospital. He told GMA on Tuesday the victims ranged in age from 21 to 40.

“This unprecedented tragedy was shocking and senseless,” Jordan said.

L. Goh Identified as Gunman in Oikos University Shooting

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Art Richards said he was driving by the university on his way to pick up a friend when he spotted a woman hiding in the bushes. He pulled over, and when he approached her, she said, “I’m shot” and showed him her arm.

“She had a piece of her arm hanging out,” Richards said, noting that she was wounded near the elbow.

As police arrived, Richards said he heard 10 gunshots coming from inside the building. The female victim told him that she saw the gunman shoot one person point-blank in the chest and one in the head.

Tashi Wangchuk, whose wife attended the school and witnessed the shooting, said he was told by police that the gunman first shot a woman at the front desk, then continued shooting randomly in classrooms.

Wangchuk said his wife, Dechen Wangzom, was in her vocational nursing class when she heard gunshots. She locked the door and turned off the lights, Wangchuk said he was told by his wife.

The gunman “banged on the door several times and started shooting outside and left,” he said. Wangchuk said no one was hurt inside his wife’s classroom, but that the gunman shot out the glass in the door. He said she did not know the man.

“She’s a hero,” he said of his wife.

L. Goh Identified as Gunman in Oikos University Shooting

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Television footage showed bloodied victims on stretchers being loaded into ambulances. Several bodies covered in sheets were laid out on a patch of grass at the school. One body could be seen being loaded into a van.

Myung Soon Ma, the school’s secretary, said she could not provide any details about what happened at the private school, which serves the Korean community with courses from theology to Asian medicine.

“I feel really sad, so I cannot talk right now,” she said, speaking from her home.

At Highland Hospital, Dawinder Kaur’s family told the Oakland Tribune that she was being treated for a gunshot to her elbow.

The 19-year-old U.S. Army Reservist told her family that that the gunman was a student in her nursing class who had been absent for months before returning Monday. The gunman entered the classroom and ordered students to line up against the wall.

When he showed his gun, students began running and he opened fire, her family said.

“She told me that a guy went crazy and she got shot,” brother Paul Singh told the newspaper. “She was running. She was crying; she was bleeding, it was wrong.”

Pastor Jong Kim, who founded the school about 10 years ago, told the newspaper that he did not know if the shooter was expelled or dropped out. Kim said he heard about 30 rapid-fire gunshots in the building.

“I stayed in my office,” he said.

Deborah Lee, who was in an English language class, said she heard five to six gunshots at first. “The teacher said, `Run,’ and we run,” she said. “I was OK, because I know God protects me. I’m not afraid of him.”

Goh fled from the school in a Honda Accord that belonged to one of the victims, Jordan said. The suspect was detained at a Safeway supermarket about three miles from the university, about an hour after the shooting.

A security guard at the supermarket approached the man because he was acting suspiciously, KGO-TV reported. The man told the guard that he needed to talk to police because he shot people, and the guard called authorities.

“He didn’t look like he had a sign of relief on him. He didn’t look like he had much of any emotion on his face,” said Lisa Resler, who was buying fruit at Safeway with her 4-year-old daughter when she saw the man.

Goh also called his father soon after the shooting and told him what happened, the police chief said. The father also called authorities, Jordan said.

Police went to the Westlake Christian Terrace senior housing complex on Monday afternoon to speak with a relative of Goh, Nam Ko Young, who‘s believed to be the man’s father, said Young’s neighbor, Barbara Ferguson. Young was seen leaving with police Monday afternoon. A staff member was sent to shut the television blaring news in the empty apartment, Ferguson said.

Ferguson said she‘s seen Goh and Young in the lobby and exchanged hellos in the past but that she doesn’t know them well.

The suspect’s brother was killed in a car accident last year in Virginia while on active duty in the U.S. Army, according to Stars and Stripes newspaper. The suspect attended the funeral of Sgt. Su Wan Ko in Centreville, Va., after the March 8, 2011, accident.

Jerry Sung, the university’s accountant, said the school offers courses in both Korean and English to less than 100 students. He said the campus consists of one building. Sung said many of its students go on to work in nursing and ministry.

“The founder felt there was a need for theology and nursing courses for Korean-Americans who were newer to the community,” Sung said. “He felt they would feel more comfortable if they had Korean-American professors.”

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Associated Press writers Louise Chu, Garance Burke and Marcus Wohlsen in San Francisco contributed to this report.

Comments (72)

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  • rl
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:33pm

    SUCKS when the law wont let you carry and defend yourself……..

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  • Constantine Ivanov
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:17pm

    Seung-Hui Cho was the name of the killer from the Virginia Tech, who killed 32 and injured 25 people before killing himself.
    Also form South Korea. Coincidence?

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  • thegreatcarnac
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 5:03pm

    Seems this asian got upset. Too bad someone near him did not have a gun.

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  • THE_END_IS_NEAR
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:10pm

    Maybe they were all wearing hoodies, eating skittles and drinking tea…..

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  • moreteaplease
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 1:25pm

    Tougher gun laws will do absolutely nothing to prevent guns from getting into the hands of criminals. The only thing tighter restrictions WILL DO is make it tougher for the law abiding citizen to defend and protect himself. Criminals will always find a way to get what they need.

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  • ColoradoMaverick
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 1:13pm

    This is a very sad story. One thing is for sure though, you won’t be seeing Al Sharpton, Jessie jackson, Obama, or Farrakhan speaking out against this violence since none of the victims looked like Obama’s imaginary son.

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  • DeavonReye
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 12:48pm

    What do “gun free zones” look like? Unfortunately, this is what “gun free zones” can look like. Prepare for the knee-jerk left wing liberals pushing to “pass laws to keep this from happening again”. Same old mantra, . . . while failing to understand the conceptual facts. Guns are inanimate. They do nothing wrong. A sick mind does. . . . and if a sick mind has violence to unleash, innocent people will be statistics of it.

    I have made it a point to not allow myself, or the ones I love, becoming another number.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:24pm

      So you don’t think a sick mind with a gun is more dangerous and capable of killing more people than just a sick mind alone?

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    • hpyagl
      Posted on April 4, 2012 at 10:23am

      Not if there is a non-sick mind with a gun near by. Stupid arguments are just that. STUPID!!

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on April 4, 2012 at 10:32am

      Pub, . . . . the point is, . . . IF a sick mind has violence on their mind, they will use some other tool.

      One thing to remember. We don’t live in a fantasy world. Utopia is and will always be a myth. The violent of mind will find a way to kill people. Where there IS issue ARE the “gun free zones” that won’t allow positively trained CCW holders to carry on campus. No “OK Corral” gonna happen. What MAY happen is far fewer numbers to report on the news that evening.

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  • Sjah
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 12:24pm

    California has some of the most restrictive gun law of any state in the U.S.. You have to fill out 2-3 hours of paperwork and a written test to get a hand gun, 1-2 hours to get a long gun and the info is sent to the DOJ for a back ground check if a criminal or insane person gets a gun it’s their fault. If it’s obtained illegally gun laws wont make a difference. And just for the record : “As an American citizen, you can purchase firearms. If you are not a citizen, some visas may allow you to purchase firearms, but normally you are not able to.” hmmmm by the presses own admission he was a Korean who was made fun of because he couldn’t speak English illegal possession of a firearm quite possible. But don‘t worry It’s gun laws that keep us safe.

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    • ColoradoMaverick
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 1:14pm

      That’s right, does does NY City and yet people get shot there all of the time. Citizens need to be armed, because the police simply cannot be there in time.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 2:42pm

      Colorado,

      NYC is one of the safest cities in the country according to Forbes magazine.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 2:59pm

      Pencil Man

      Yep, after years of having a republican mayor who went after crime, NYC cleaned up pretty well.

      The Clintons hated Rudy Giulaini, but he dropped the crime so much in NY, that made stats go down nationally. Slick Willey had called Giulaini a racist for the way they fought crime, then tried to take credit for the crime going down.

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    • THE_END_IS_NEAR
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:16pm

      @pencil

      just wait until OWS F’s everything up there…gonna have 8,400,000 really pissed, upset and desperate people and 35000 cops to make sure it doesn’t hit the fan.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:21pm

      Ranger,

      Regardless of his political label, as the mayor of NYC Giuliani strongly supported gun control, and crime went down. He pointed out the connection himself many times. Thanks for lobbing a nice fat one right over the plate for me.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:31pm

      Pencil Neck

      Yep, he started out as a democrat also, and he had to remain somewhat liberal to get elected in NY

      As mayor of New York, Giuliani was a proponent of gun control, but, while running for President, has made statements supporting the right to carry concealed weapons.[75]

      During his time in the United States Department of Justice in the early 1980s, Giuliani said that a mandatory waiting period before purchasing a handgun was “sensible and moderate”.[7

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  • lionshield
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 12:11pm

    my prayers go out to all families who lost loved ones.
    but my question is what in hell is the military doing doing with boots on ground
    on united states soil !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is illegal and unconstitutionial !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I been in mililarty this illegal to have men unform combat gear!!!

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    • atechgeek
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 12:25pm

      @Lion : Just because they wear camo .. doesn’t mean they are US Military. That is another officer .. dressed in the same gear as the one in blue ‘camo’ next to him in the picture.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 12:28pm

      lionshield

      Many SWAT teams (espically Marksman or snipers) wear camo. It is more condusive for the type of work they do.

      For some reason, camo seems to scare Americans. I think they fear a police force that looks “military”

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  • Unix
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 11:57am

    The liberals must be jumping out of their ‘collective’ skin right now…add Trayvon Martin, and the drive by’s, there will be new gun legislation coming out. They must be giddy with joy at the prospect of taking our guns away now. This is not good any way you look at it.

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    • WWFSMD
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 12:18pm

      Because Obama actually expanded gun legislation in this term, not restricted it, he definitely wants to take away everybody’s gun.

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  • ChiefGeorge
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 11:33am

    The Leftist MSM is always ready and willing to trundle out an excuse for these things esp when the person is from the multiculture….like the Ft Hood shooter who had pre-War PTSD, like the Times Square would be bomber who had home foreclosure issues, like Trayvon for WWB. It puts into the minds of those who have been hurt and allows empathy towards a cold blooded killer. What that in turn is really saying is that we (MSM) know that you;ve all wanted to kill somebody for the same reasons…so can you really blame them?

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  • drattastic
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 11:19am

    “When seconds count ,the police are minutes away”. Arm yourselves ,you’ll live longer and so will those around you.

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  • chips1
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 11:16am

    Obama must be jumping with joy. Not one person was able to defend themself. It will be this easy to completely take over the United States. His plan is working perfectly. All of his people are in place and the Supreme Court has been threatened. This Marxist Muslim plays to the rules of Satan.

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  • NewsStud
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:55am

    Nope, Nope and Nope!

    The shooter wasn’t an Arab. Wasn’t a Muslim. Wasn’t an Arab Muslim. Wasn’t an African Muslim. Wasn’t an African-American who converted to Islam while in prison. Wasn’t a sleeper cell. Wasn’t a self-radicalized U.S. Army psychiatrist. Wasn’t a spoiled white kid from California who wanted to piss of his parents by becoming a Muslim. Wasn’t a rural patriarch from North Carolina who trained his kids in Jihad.

    He was a student at the school. He was in immigrant who had trouble learning English. And what did the fine students at this Christian university to do help him learn the language? Nothing. They made fun of him. They disgraced him. They dishonored him.

    WWJD, indeed.

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    • drattastic
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 11:17am

      You have got to be kidding with that post ,I mean seriously.

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 11:29am

      If they in fact made fun of him thats no justification for mass murder! i somehow doubt the assertion though!

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    • rangerp
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 12:01pm

      NEWSDUD

      Do you realize he was korean, and was attending a Korean School?

      OIKOS is an unaccredited private Korean Christian university in Oakland, California.

      That kind of shoots your theory out of the water now.

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    • shogun459
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 12:16pm

      You really should read the text BEFORE you use a story to Attack Christians.

      You give yourself away. You give yourself away.
      U2

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    • JohnnyDollah
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:02pm

      What would Newsstud do? Indeed!?- probably run home and write a ridiculous comment that means nothing,Could you at least stick to the facts instead of listing all the nonfacts-and then wrap it up with something other than an idiotic opinion? fact no. one- you dont know his motivations, fact no. two- if one of those good christians were armed they could have dropped the bastard- nuff said

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  • mike_trivisonno
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:41am

    They should find out of he was a muslim engaged in jihad.

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  • Detroit paperboy
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:37am

    Immigrants aren’t screened for anything anymore……. Our system used to work a hundred years ago, now it’s just another jobs program for people who would otherwise be on welfare …….I wonder if Jesse and al will be protesting ? Nope.

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  • uncleeddie
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:26am

    Where is Goerge Zimmerman when you need him?

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  • SgtB
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:16am

    Please explain to me why the “swat” team showed up with military style camouflage and alice packs. I don’t get it. Why would you need to have a pack with you if your mission is to find and either arrest or kill a murder on a shooting spree? That would only slow you down and a boonie cover is not conducive to getting the mission done either.

    If this ever happens while I am in class, that guy will get more than he bargained for. Not all people are like fish in a barrel.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:30am

      I was wondering that as well; why the SWAT was in full camo and what else was going on here? There is more than just a lone nutjob plus the radical anti religious, anit gun, anti tea party leftists being involved. I have to wonder what is up?

      More and more this just does not add up. It’s more and more like each time the admin starts spewing their garbage about guns, religion and the like a university incident occurs that just perfectly plays into their agenda.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:46am

      Snowleopard,

      “It’s more and more like each time the admin starts spewing their garbage about guns, religion and the like a university incident occurs that just perfectly plays into their agenda.”

      Wow. Now that is truly crazy. So, rather than seeing this incident as part of a larger problem about gun control that Obama and other democrats want to solve, you assume that that they are somehow causing the problem through some crazy conspiracy!

      So, I can only assume that based on this logic, when the weatherman predicts that there will be rain on Saturday, and there ends up being rain on Saturday, you blame the weatherman, right? How could the Obama administration ever predict that someone could use guns to shoot people if they themselves weren’t somehow behind it!

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    • Right wing nut job
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 11:04am

      The SWAT team must be prepared for anything. Incoming 911 calls are often inaccurate or incomplete. Gun battles are not stagnant or predictable, they can evolve rapidly. If they arrived assuming there was only one gunman, there would have been three. Someone reports a shooter with a handgun and you arrive to find a full auto rifle. Just because the shooting occurred on a college campus does not mean the battle won’t move into the woods. They must carry with them all of the equipment they might need in any scenario. Boonie hats repel rain and sun from all angles, this can be critical when trying to acquire a perfect sight picture for placing precision rounds into a small or moving target. These men were placing themselves into a what had the potential to become a military type battle, so why criticize their being prepared to the fullest? These are the good guys and want to go home to their wives and kids, not to be taken out by some deranged psycho. We are conditioned by the lawyers and the media to fall into the trap of “minimum force”. This is a BS theory which has no place in the real world because you don’t know what the minimum is until your tactic fails, then it’s too late to go up a notch. As long as any level force is “reasonable” and “necessary” as gauged by experienced law enforcement veterans, then it was necessary. Hope this helped to answer your question. SALUTE OUR HEROES!

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    • rangerp
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 12:09pm

      SGTB

      So what would you have the SWAT folks wear? Pink jump suits?

      camo is a very smart choice for swat. If a marksman team needs to set up for a shot, blending in is a good thing. While they may be on a roof, they may also hid in bushes. Camo is also more condusive for crawling around on the ground. The boonie hat provides shade for the eyes, sun protection for the back of the neck, and rain protection.

      In the bag could be sniper data book, como equipment, food, rain gear, extra ammo, medic kit, night vision….. When a SWAT team shows up for a call, they may be there for an hour, or in the case of a hostage situation, could end up there for days. Being prepared is a good thing. You can carry out the equipment that you do not use. Ever read the book Black Hawk Down?

      I would hope the SWAT boys show up prepared for all sorts of situations. Sound to me that you do not have a thimbles worth of tactical knowledge.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 12:17pm

      PencilNeck

      “rather than seeing this incident as part of a larger problem about gun control that Obama and other democrats want to solve,”

      Hmmm, so they want to solve it like democrats did in Chicago, Detroit, NY, LA, Philly, DC….and all the other cities with tough gun control laws? You know, the same cities with the worst gun violence.

      Marijuana is outlawed, and we know that criminals never touch it, or the cocaine.

      Do you realize that over 2 million crimes were prevented last year from gun owners. When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

      What happened in every major city in Australia when they outlawed hand guns? Gun violence had a drastic climb, and continued to climb.

      Obama and crew are not worried about gun violence. If they were, they would speak out against the violent rap music, and they would see that their welfare programs create violent thug culture that rule the ghetto.

      Obama and crew want the legal guns, so they can one day confiscate the bibles.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 12:21pm

      SGTB -

      I would bet the pack on his back is a drag bag/shooting mat, that contains a sniper rifle.

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    • cromag11b
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 12:21pm

      I’ve had the misfortune of training these wanna-be types before. They are usually guys who couldn’t get in the military, guys who couldn’t hack 20 years, or guys who were never combat arms but talked a good game when hired by the police.
      Mostly they are just sad, and dangerous to be around with live ammo.

      Never met a cop I couldn’t out shoot.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 12:35pm

      cromag11b

      there are some wanna bees out there, but some of the bigger and medium size cities have very professional SWAT Teams. Many SWAT members are prior military, and a whole lot of special ops guys migrate to police, and many of these get into the SWAT.

      While I may agree that the average Cop or soldier does not shoot real well, there are a whole lot of individuals within police and military that are doing 3 gun, and other tactical shooting. I know a cop up in Atlanta that is a prior Marine, and Army Ranger. He is double distinguished with rifle and pistol, and one heck of a 3 gun shooter.

      I respect police just as much as I do military. They have a tough job, and the media is generally trying to make them look bad. Not every soldier I know is exacty the cream of the crop, and a whole lot of pretenders and wanna bees in my line of work also.

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  • JustPeachy
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:09am

    Sounds like this guy is mentally ill or maybe was on a substance of some kind (or both!).

    I am so sorry this happened. How terrifying it must have been for everyone involved and my heart goes out to all the families and friends who have been affected by this awful tragedy.

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  • HorseCrazy
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:04am

    sad. awful and just senseless. here’s to hoping all of the survivors can accomplish great things and overcome this tragedy. anyone else feeling like we are living in a third world country these days? shootings everywhere kidnappings robberies rapes and murder? it just feels like there is so much more of this that we are all becoming numb to it.

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  • adeleeeee
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:39am

    So so sorry for the lost souls. But I must say this: this could be an example which will be used by liberalists to propose their gun regulation law to disarm us. The one got crazy is the man not the GUN!

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:55am

      I‘m sure you’re right, but unless the gun was legaly obtained and licensed (which I doubt) it proves how ineffective gun restriction laws are anyway.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:52am

      Adeleeeee,

      “The one got crazy is the man not the GUN!”

      Yes, well–what is more dangerous: a crazy man yelling or a crazy man firing a gun. The gun makes a difference.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 12:05pm

      Crazy men always follow all the gun laws that idiot liberals pass. It works every time!

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:38am

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    Very Sad…..

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  • Itsjusttim
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:29am

    Seems kind of reminiscent of Virginia Tech; the job training center in New England; the many hunters shot in Wisconsin; and several other cases. Is China sending covert soldiers to America to help pass gun laws?

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    • Itsjusttim
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:37am

      Or perhaps it’s all the doing of “The Pale Rider.” Maybe now Americans are figuring out the wisdom of the Founding Father’s of America, in that why it was important to create a nation in Liberty with laws, but “Without walls” without mental/ spiritual barriers, because when a nation has many barriers, it’s catastrophic.

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    • Itsjusttim
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:43am

      “Oh come, that old book, you know it’s just something people use to control people with, there’s no truth to it.” I wouldn’t be so sure, or you will drop a load in your pants while running for cover when Heaven opens up.

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  • piper60
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:24am

    I pray for the survivors and all the other students and faculty. It makes me wonder if the perp in this case had voices in his head.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:23am

    This stuff seems to be happening on an increasingly frequent basis. The world is getting sicker by the day. Although no murder is justifiable, in some cases it’s understandable. These random killing sprees are just baffling, people just crave the attention and notoriety I guess.

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    • barber2
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:42am

      and notice the “ disrespect ” issue. So many angry people . So much hate . So many lost souls.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:19am

      My question is why aren’t these attacks ever manifested against the people who are causing this nation to go down the drains and who are consistently adding more debt on our shoulders and turning us into slaves? We used to have at least one pissed off guy per year take a rifle to the white house. Why the switch to schools?

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    • Twobyfour
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:40am

      Because these people are cowards. They pick environments where there isn’t a potential for much of a resistance. Fish in a barrel.

      I have no idea as to why they murder random people. It’s incomprehensible to me.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:50am

      There have always been sick people. The only difference is that today they have better access to guns that help them kill a lot of people at once.

      Sure. Guns don’t kill people; people kill people. However, it would be impossible to deny that guns make it a whole lot easier for one person to kill a lot of people.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 11:48am

      So guns were just invented in the 1990′s when all this started PubliusPencilman? You think this guy was a legal carrier? Then what makes you think another gun law would prevent it? It’s like putting up a sign that says “Do Not Litter” only the people who don’t litter anyway are going to follow it. It’s total idiocy to think that stricter gun laws prevent this stuff.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 2:36pm

      That’s solid logic for you: why have a law if people are going to break it!

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 2:50pm

      The Columbine killers, the Virginia Tech shooter, Jared Loughner, George Hennard in 1991 (second most deadly shooting rampage in US history after VTech).

      They all purchased their guns either completely legally or through loopholes in gun control laws that let them easily lie to obtain them. Stop forwarding the whole “illegal gun” talking point. It’s just made up.

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    • hpyagl
      Posted on April 6, 2012 at 8:41pm

      pencilman

      If the killers “lied” to get the guns, then it was illegal! You keep contradicting yourself.

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